RE: Locked phones (was Re: A timely rant: Time for SIM-free phones.)
> companies involved, the group that has the most to gain from OpenMoko > are the endusers. Worse the powerusers, which are a bad deal for the > networks anyway. I do compare plans, and I tend to use what I buy.) I agree that users will benefit. I don't think most of them know it. But to your point - there's a big upside for carriers. Most of the bigger US carriers make incremental income by selling 'content' (music, apps, games) to their subscribers. They make quite a bit of money with this. These carriers, _especially_ those most involved in creating walled gardens (which indirectly implies most likely to lock) will save money and hasten to market value-added content by promoting open platforms. The prevalence of tweaked software and crippled phones is detrimental to content development: more developer hours on the front end, and more testing on the back. It's all slower and more expensive than it needs to be. Furthermore usability tests show that consumers are very often not willing or able to learn and relearn the software quirks (some OS, some app) that stand between them and that juicy game or application the carrier's mobile storefront wants to sell. So the expensive development process creates poor conversion rates. The carriers can do this math. > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Shawn > Rutledge > Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 12:51 PM > To: community@lists.openmoko.org > Subject: Locked phones (was Re: A timely rant: Time for SIM-free > phones.) > > SIMs are great - I don't like SIM-free phones like Verizon ones that > require somebody at Verizon to switch the service to a different > phone. With GSM you just switch the SIM yourself. Of course it would > also be nice to be able to use different devices without having to > physically switch the SIM (like use the GPRS connection in a laptop or > PDA). Anyway "SIM-free" is misleading as you are using it, because > you are actually complaining about locked phones that will only work > on one network. And BTW it's not so hard to buy new unlocked phones > on the net if you are willing to pay unsubsidized prices for them. > > As for Jobs, I think he negotiated a lot of unique stuff that cannot > typically be negotiated with a carrier. It's too bad the phone still > costs $500-600 even with a contract. Makes me wonder what the real > manufacturing cost is; is the hardware that super-duper or are they > just wanting to have even better margins than they get on ipods? > > On 2/26/07, Sam Kome <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > We should paper the world with (something like) this rant ahead of the > wide release of Neo1973. > > > > The fettered masses really don't get it yet. > > > > > > > > Covers 8 myths which drive folks to buy locked phones and/or 2yr > contracts: > > > > > http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/features/item/Its_time_to_buy_SIM-free_ph > ones.php > > > > > > > > "How would Apple fans react if the latest Mac computer was exclusively > locked to a particular ISP, was only available to people who live in > that ISP's service area, and people had to sign up to a 2 year contract > with that ISP? The Apple fans would be mad as hell, so why on earth are > they having to put up with exactly the same restrictions on a portable, > pocket-sized Mac computer called the iPhone?" > > > > > > > > "How is it that Finland, a poorer, lower-density country without phone > contracts, and with a law banning locked phones, developed far better > phone coverage than America, the land of locked phones and 2 year > contracts?" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sam Kome > > UX Team Member > > > > www.motricity.com > > view corporate video > > > > > > > > NOTICE: This e-mail message is for the sole use of the intended > recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information of > Motricity. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is > prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the > sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. > > ___ > > OpenMoko community mailing list > > community@lists.openmoko.org > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > > > > > > ___ > OpenMoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/communi
RE: Locked phones (was Re: A timely rant: Time for SIM-free phones.)
I think that the article I linked to really clearly covers all of the issues presented in the email responses. The price subsidies, the locked/unlocked, the SIM buying, the phone w/o SIM buying, etc. That's why I brought it to this group, because I respect the intelligence of the folks here, and I think they care about furthering the efficacy and usability of mobile computing and communication. I took it for granted that everyone on the list, including myself, knows the difference between T/CDMA (also available with SIMs, but nevermind) and GSM devices in terms of subscriber identity management. I _don't_ take for granted that anyone not working in or around the cell phone industry can even spell SIM, let alone understand the implications of whether or not their phone has a removable chip, or if that chip will work in another device, let alone with another carrier. When my mother/brother/friend in the US wants to buy a phone, they are very likely to go to one or two cell phone outlet stores, RTFMA, and see a plethora of plans with minutes and calling circles and free-after-x-o'clock. They will not be able to reasonably compare these to each other without performing sophisticated systems analysis on the fly. They will and do sign up for 2 year contracts _and/or_ locked devices. This by the way, makes my job (creating mobile content) more difficult, so I have both the philosphical and selfish professional incentives to try to both educate the general public and solve the core problem as I see it, which is a sea of proprietary devices that have lousy software and worse user interfaces. How'd I do? Still childish boring bullshit? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Shawn Rutledge Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 12:51 PM To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Locked phones (was Re: A timely rant: Time for SIM-free phones.) SIMs are great - I don't like SIM-free phones like Verizon ones that require somebody at Verizon to switch the service to a different phone. With GSM you just switch the SIM yourself. Of course it would also be nice to be able to use different devices without having to physically switch the SIM (like use the GPRS connection in a laptop or PDA). Anyway "SIM-free" is misleading as you are using it, because you are actually complaining about locked phones that will only work on one network. And BTW it's not so hard to buy new unlocked phones on the net if you are willing to pay unsubsidized prices for them. As for Jobs, I think he negotiated a lot of unique stuff that cannot typically be negotiated with a carrier. It's too bad the phone still costs $500-600 even with a contract. Makes me wonder what the real manufacturing cost is; is the hardware that super-duper or are they just wanting to have even better margins than they get on ipods? On 2/26/07, Sam Kome <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > We should paper the world with (something like) this rant ahead of the wide release of Neo1973. > > The fettered masses really don't get it yet. > > > > Covers 8 myths which drive folks to buy locked phones and/or 2yr contracts: > > http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/features/item/Its_time_to_buy_SIM-free_ph ones.php > > > > "How would Apple fans react if the latest Mac computer was exclusively locked to a particular ISP, was only available to people who live in that ISP's service area, and people had to sign up to a 2 year contract with that ISP? The Apple fans would be mad as hell, so why on earth are they having to put up with exactly the same restrictions on a portable, pocket-sized Mac computer called the iPhone?" > > > > "How is it that Finland, a poorer, lower-density country without phone contracts, and with a law banning locked phones, developed far better phone coverage than America, the land of locked phones and 2 year contracts?" > > > > > > > > Sam Kome > UX Team Member > > www.motricity.com > view corporate video > > > > NOTICE: This e-mail message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information of Motricity. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. > ___ > OpenMoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community NOTICE: This e-mail message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain c
A timely rant: Time for SIM-free phones.
We should paper the world with (something like) this rant ahead of the wide release of Neo1973. The fettered masses really don't get it yet. Covers 8 myths which drive folks to buy locked phones and/or 2yr contracts: http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/features/item/Its_time_to_buy_SIM-free_ph ones.php "How would Apple fans react if the latest Mac computer was exclusively locked to a particular ISP, was only available to people who live in that ISP's service area, and people had to sign up to a 2 year contract with that ISP? The Apple fans would be mad as hell, so why on earth are they having to put up with exactly the same restrictions on a portable, pocket-sized Mac computer called the iPhone?" "How is it that Finland, a poorer, lower-density country without phone contracts, and with a law banning locked phones, developed far better phone coverage than America, the land of locked phones and 2 year contracts?" Sam Kome <http://www.motricity.com/> UX Team Member <http://www.motricity.com/> www.motricity.com <http://www.motricity.com> view corporate video <http://corp.motricity.com/press/video.php> NOTICE: This e-mail message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information of Motricity. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. image001.gif Description: image001.gif ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Marketing fodder for Neo: FCC presentation
Yes, if the phone in question has been locked to another carrier: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subsidy_lock Usually this kind of lock can be removed one way or another. The issues of hardware crippling and data limiting/steering can be harder to remediate. Hope this helps. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gabriel Ambuehl Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 12:42 PM To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Re: Marketing fodder for Neo: FCC presentation On Thursday 22 February 2007 18:21:51 Wolfgang S. Rupprecht wrote: > Now, while I'm not fan of Skype with their anti-open standards stance > (with their proprietary and secret signaling), I do see this action as > a good thing for the open source community. Skype is the 800 > lb. gorilla of voice over the Internet. With Ebays billions available > to them, perhaps they will be able to convince the FCC to change the > current stranglehold carriers have over phones and software. Do US GSM carriers *really* stop you from using your SIM in a phone you bought yourself? I could see it applying to CDMA but that's another issue, really. NOTICE: This e-mail message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information of Motricity. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Marketing fodder for Neo: FCC presentation
http://eetimes.com/news/latest/showArticle.jhtml;?articleID=197006889 http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=962027 "Wu claims "wireless carriers [are] aggressively controlling product design and innovation in the equipment and application markets, to the detriment of consumers."" -EE Times "We can't build the products we want to build, charge for them what we want and add the services we want. It's just a really broken system" -Jeff Hawkins Hey Sean, Would FIC like to reach out Hawkins for marketing purposes, or any reason? He sounds like an advocate. Sam Kome <http://www.motricity.com/> UX Team Member <http://www.motricity.com/> www.motricity.com <http://www.motricity.com> view corporate video <http://corp.motricity.com/press/video.php> NOTICE: This e-mail message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information of Motricity. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. image001.gif Description: image001.gif ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Forums Page?
Sorry to bend the thread a little, but I wanted to respond to Andreas' T9 comment. My position is neutral; T9 seems to work well for some people and some purposes, not so well for others. These folks did a decent usability test that should be useful to consider when designing the onscreen keypad/board. It compares T9 to Fastap: (You'll want a new-fangled browser) http://www.phonescoop.com/articles/video_fastap/ Conclusion: T9 has a steeper learning curve but is more efficient for a new user. I think the Fastap layout sacrifices familiarity to conserve space. What should work better (imo, ymmv) with an onscreen input is a quick way to flip between a numeric keypad and a qwerty/configurable keyboard. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andreas Kostyrka Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 2:05 PM To: Joe Pfeiffer Cc: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Re: Forums Page? * Joe Pfeiffer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [070220 19:57]: > My children (I've got one who just finished his undergrad degree in > CS, and a second who is a pre-med) don't send much email, but are > constantly texting. Well, I do texting mostly on phones with a sensible keyboard or grafitti entry system. And no, T9 is not a sensible input method IMHO. Andreas ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community NOTICE: This e-mail message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information of Motricity. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: openmoko and pre-paid cards
Hey all, Doing a little research on howardforums...looks like it's possible to get GPRS access with pre-paid on T-Mobile. At least on certain devices. I looked at the Tmobile configurator (for lack of a better term) and of course it has a fixed list of devices, but I bet that has to do with user agent profiles (at least for port 80), which can be spoofed. I have seen similar info about Cingular/AT&T. "Again, I am PREPAID and do NOT have any data plan and this is working for me" -- http://howardforums.com/showthread.php?t=1089243&page=3&pp=15&highlight= tmobile+internet Hope this helps. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dean Collins Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 4:09 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: RE: openmoko and pre-paid cards > The problem is getting pre-paid GPRS access to anywhere on the net OUTSIDE > of T-Mobile's silly "T-Zones" walled garden. > Allan, do you know of any GSM carrier that offers GPRS data on prepaid plans? I've never come across it before not that I've looked for it Regards, Dean Collins Cognation Pty Ltd [EMAIL PROTECTED] +1-212-203-4357 Ph +1-917-207-3420 Mb +61-2-9016-5642 (Sydney in-dial). > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:community- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, 16 February 2007 2:47 PM > To: community@lists.openmoko.org > Subject: Re: openmoko and pre-paid cards > > I'm going to chime in here again on this: > > Here in the US, getting pre-paid voice service via a T-Mobile sim is no > problem exactly as Mary illustrates. > > The problem is getting pre-paid GPRS access to anywhere on the net OUTSIDE > of T-Mobile's silly "T-Zones" walled garden. > > ~90% of the amazing applications that will be written for the OpenMoko/Neo > platform will involve pulling and pushing data to and from your handset via > GPRS. > > T-Mobile or Sprint(??) must be induced to offer a prepaid GPRS service if > the OpenMoko/Neo platform is to be as fully successful as possible. > > If this prepaid GPRS access fails to materialize, has anyone done any work > on creating a working cellular voice modem that could communicate via a > personal dialup gateway at home? > > Alan McSwain > > > > Original Message: > - > From: Joe Pfeiffer [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 11:50:44 -0700 > To: community@lists.openmoko.org > Subject: Re: openmoko and pre-paid cards > > > Mary Stovel writes: > > >Cingular C139.) I asked at the Cingular store and the T-Mobile > >store... that if I brought in my own "unlocked" phone, could I get a > >SIM card without buying their phone... they said "yes". I asked if > >that applied to the prepaid plans and they said "yes". > > My experience here was almost the same as yours -- the difference > being that all the plans I saw had a bottom-end phone that they'd give > you for "free" (in quotes since the plan subsidizes the phone). They > told me I couldn't get an additional discount for not taking any phone > at all. > > ___ > OpenMoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > > mail2web.com - Microsoft(r) Exchange solutions from a leading provider - > http://link.mail2web.com/Business/Exchange > > > > ___ > OpenMoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community NOTICE: This e-mail message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information of Motricity. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Ideas for touchscreen interfaces
Here's a touchscreen mobile product that has a familiarish name and claims to be 'open', by which I think they mean 'has an API'. In any case, this page has ideas to consider for gestures: http://www.neonode.com/en-gb/Products/Neonode-N2/Neonode-N2-technology/U sing-Neno/ Sam Kome <http://www.motricity.com/> UX Team Member <http://www.motricity.com/> www.motricity.com <http://www.motricity.com> view corporate video <http://corp.motricity.com/press/video.php> NOTICE: This e-mail message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information of Motricity. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. image001.gif Description: image001.gif ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Running linux programs
Welcome! The answer to your question is Yes. If you want more specific information, please read the following resources for the technical how-to; it's all out there. To search the mailing list: In your favorite search engine: site:lists.openmoko.org [keyword(s)] 2007 Neo1973 Roadmap: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/announce/2007-January/00.html OpenMoko blog: http://planet.openmoko.org/ OpenMoko Wikipedia Entry: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Openmoko Software Framework Wikipedia Entry: (includes homepage where you can download env.) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Openembedded Hope this helps! Sam From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ? Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 9:27 AM To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Running linux programs Hi all! Sorry, if I'm breaking some rules. I didn't find how to search maillists...so... Will I be able to run my linux programs on OpenMoko? After recompilation, of course. NOTICE: This e-mail message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information of Motricity. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Ready For Prime Time?
Joe, As with many US gov sites, the information scent isn't as strong as it could be, but start here: https://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/oet/cf/eas/ You'll want the 'Generic Search' link on the left, "Reports" menu. When you find a phone (I haven't looked for Neo yet, I suspect it hasn't been filed), click on "Detail" in the "Display Exhibits" column. And have a .pdf viewer handy. Hopes this helps, SK -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe Pfeiffer Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 9:41 AM To: Duncan Hudson Cc: OpenMoko Subject: Re: Ready For Prime Time? Duncan Hudson writes: >That's encouraging - I am anxiously awaiting the Neo. But it doesn't >answer the question as to whether or not an FCC filing has been made. >Maybe it can be used elsewhere on 3/11, but it can't be used in the US >unless it's been certified by the FCC. Generally when the certification >is done the filing is visible online - I don't see any OpenMoko or FIC >filings listed for such a device. And that worries me, as I'm dieing >for this thing to arrive. I spent a little while on fcc.gov trying to find filings, and couldn't find them (for this phone, or any other). Where (or how) should I have been looking? ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community NOTICE: This e-mail message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information of Motricity. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Idea for OpenMoko: Kid Mode
I like this thread, although I'm not giving my $350 phone to my kids! Some of the high schools here have really strict rules against kids getting calls in class. I can understand it, but 1)Sometimes I need to contact my daughter and 2)She can't always remember how she left the ringer (on/off) So how about a button for, "Silence HERE": takes a GPS reading and makes no sound w/in radius(n) of that location. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Richard Franks Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 1:26 PM To: Paul Jimenez Cc: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Re: Idea for OpenMoko: Kid Mode On Wed, 2007-01-24 at 11:33 -0600, Paul Jimenez wrote: > How about a locked-down 'kid version' of the UI with touchable pictures for 'mommy', 'daddy', etc ? Maybe not even labelled, but just the pictures? Nice idea - I see where you're going with this, not making it too complex.. for slightly older kids though, you could also have an "add friend" button too, perhaps triggering auto-detection via bluetooth. Or games which only work at scheduled breaks during the school day. Most calculator applications I've seen on mobiles really suck.. but that could be an area of improvement too. Also, the back-end would not have to be locked down - parents could still connect to their kids Neo and get whatever information they feel they need. I'm not sure I'd want to write code to allow parents to eavesdrop on their kids, but it'd be easy to do once we start networking our Neo's to home/work machines and that infrastructure is solid. Schools themselves may find it appealing to be able to restrict cell-phone use during class, and with bluetooth, there's another option to distribute homework other than email or paper.. and with the stylus the kid could do their homework (whilst showing the working), on the bus ride home. Richard ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community NOTICE: This e-mail message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information of Motricity. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Multi Touch screen demonstration video
Had to dig through a month of sent mail to find this: interesting demonstration of multi-touch screen manipulations. I have another similar one, but it's even further into the pile "Jeff Han is a research scientist for New York University's Courant Institute of Mathematical Sciences. Here, he demonstrates-for the first time publicly-his intuitive, "interface-free," touch-driven computer screen, which can be manipulated intuitively with the fingertips, and responds to varying levels of pressure. (Recorded February 2006 in Monterey, CA. Duration: 09:32)" (notice: includes embedded video) http://ted.com/tedtalks/tedtalksplayer.cfm?key=j_han&flashEnabled=1 Sam Kome <http://www.motricity.com/> User Experience Team Member <http://www.motricity.com/> www.motricity.com <http://www.motricity.com> view corporate video <http://corp.motricity.com/press/video.php> NOTICE: This e-mail message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information of Motricity. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. image001.gif Description: image001.gif ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Columnist needs a check up from the neck up
Trying to write off Linux on mobile devices, doesn't seem to be aware of the Neo project: http://www.newlc.com/The-cloudy-future-of-mobile-Linux.html Thought I'd bring it to y'all's attention in case anyone would like to clue him in. Sam Kome <http://www.motricity.com/> UX Team Member <http://www.motricity.com/> www.motricity.com <http://www.motricity.com> view corporate video <http://corp.motricity.com/press/video.php> NOTICE: This e-mail message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information of Motricity. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. image001.gif Description: image001.gif ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Article on mobile ui design at the manufacturer level
http://www.uigarden.net/english/Co_Design "as the software of mobile devices becomes increasingly detached from proprietary hardware platforms, design control will shift further into application, operator, content, and brand domains-it may well be here that mobile user-interface designers will find their future." -- David Williams Hear, hear. Sam Kome <http://www.motricity.com/> UX Team Member <http://www.motricity.com/> www.motricity.com <http://www.motricity.com> view corporate video <http://corp.motricity.com/press/video.php> NOTICE: This e-mail message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information of Motricity. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. image001.gif Description: image001.gif ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: [Spam?] Re: google earth - [was: Re: Another simple GPS+GPRSidea]
I _love_ the idea of openstreetmap, but truly doubt that it will retain enough dedicated participants over time. Initial capture is not enough; eternal vigilance is needed to recapture the data everytime a bulldozer appears or a planning committee renumbers the addresses. Reverse engineering street addresses/locations should be perfectly legal anywhere but say, all of Myanmar, or the thousands of restricted areas in the USA. SK -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Richard Franks Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 11:21 AM To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Re: [Spam?] Re: google earth - [was: Re: Another simple GPS+GPRSidea] On 11/28/06, Sam Kome <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have a bit of experience in GIS data and applications. Okay, a lot. > > Sean is absolutely right about the rarity and high price of street maps, > not to mention the legal rights problems which can drag in Queens and > Kings. The more I read about Open Street Map, the more I like it: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org Would this bother any Kings or Queens? It's not stealing someone elses work, just refusing to pay for it and making ones own. Richard ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/community NOTICE: This e-mail message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information of Motricity. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: [Spam?] Re: google earth - [was: Re: Another simple GPS+GPRS idea]
I have a bit of experience in GIS data and applications. Okay, a lot. Sean is absolutely right about the rarity and high price of street maps, not to mention the legal rights problems which can drag in Queens and Kings. The first question to answer is: what is the necessary accuracy? If you're not routing ambulances then there may be adequate data available from public sources. Availability varies tremendously by country, even by internal divisions, but streets are always changing, hence more difficult to obtain. If street level geocoding is needed, one approach would be to take advantage of Google or Yahoos geocoding APIs. Would work for a limited (but large) number of hits/day, and for a non-commercial application. For basic context like major roads, landmarks, postal code or political boundaries, data may well be available for free or the cost of bashing them into a useful shape. These data also have the advantage of smaller file sizes. Hope this helps. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sean Moss-Pultz Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 10:25 AM To: Marcus Bauer; community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: [Spam?] Re: google earth - [was: Re: Another simple GPS+GPRS idea] Importance: Low On 11/27/06 8:16 PM, "Marcus Bauer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You may ask Sean about availability of maps for the Neo1973 (a quick > search in the ML-archives gives no hits). Mapping data is actually really difficult. There are only two providers worldwide: * Navitec * TeleAtlas And they are really expensive. We have some commercial software lined up that we could sell, but I'm not too excited at anything at this point. Hopefully we can come up with something free together. -Sean ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/community NOTICE: This e-mail message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information of Motricity. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/community
