Re: [Android] Froyo (Android 2.2) on Freerunner????
On Fri, Sep 3, 2010 at 12:48 AM, Leonty Belskiy prishe...@gmail.com wrote: Is'n Froyo supposed to be super-fast? It's fast on a 1GHz processor with at least 512MB RAM and hardware acceleration of OpenGL, etc... V8 is embedded, but if you can't even run webkit... ;) I it faster than Cupcake? It's relative to the device. If a device have capabilities to run froyo, so yes it will be faster. But froyo won't run on the most lightweigh devices. And android 3 will run on devices with at least 2Ghz processor, etc... -- Leonty On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 5:55 PM, Thomas HOCEDEZ thomas.hoce...@free.fr wrote: Le 01/09/2010 14:31, Atilla Filiz a écrit : AFAIK Serdar Dere is actively developing Android for FR, so I am sure the images are real. How (close to being)usable they are, that is to wonder. On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 5:06 PM, David Garabana Barro da...@garabana.com wrote: On Thursday 05 August 2010 16:52:24 Jan Girlich wrote: Am Donnerstag, den 05.08.2010, 16:42 +0200 schrieb David Garabana Barro: http://serdar-dere.net/~serdar/daily/ Are these images real? Are there Android 2.2 images for Freeruner? I doubt these images are of any use (yet). Look at the filesizes. They're just about 7MB, way too small for a real image. Yes, but first one size is 67 MB. On the thread Nelson posted minutes ago, you can see they are real, but they only compile and boot. Not useful by the moment :) Hi ! Of course the images are real (those 7Mo!). I flashed my FR with it, it boots, starts, and ... Worked ! Ok you have to be Really patient because of the slowlyness of the interface, but everything works ! -- Thomas HOCEDEZ / Asthro, Openmoko-fr.org ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Steven Le Roux Jabber-ID : ste...@jabber.fr 0x39494CCB ste...@le-roux.info 2FF7 226B 552E 4709 03F0 6281 72D7 A010 3949 4CCB ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Rolling dices on OpenMoko
EFL does 3D too :) On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 10:47 PM, Xavier Cremaschi omega.xav...@gmail.comwrote: On 08/03/2010 19:43, Davide Scaini wrote: give a try asking to mokomaze developer... I think he should give you lots of answers... maybe :) d Thanks, very good idea indeed ! Mokomaze can be a perfect model, I will read the source :) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Steven Le Roux Jabber-ID : ste...@jabber.fr 0x39494CCB ste...@le-roux.info 2FF7 226B 552E 4709 03F0 6281 72D7 A010 3949 4CCB ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Jefliks Jabber-Client release
w00t !!! really great ! many thx ! I will try it asap On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 9:46 PM, Richy klemms...@gmail.com wrote: On opkg jefliks was just posted. afaik it is the fastest JabberClient out there. (And the only one I know that is based on EFL) http://www.opkg.org/package_331.html Enjoy 668c16bc69 668c16bc69 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Steven Le Roux Jabber-ID : ste...@jabber.fr 0x39494CCB ste...@le-roux.info 2FF7 226B 552E 4709 03F0 6281 72D7 A010 3949 4CCB ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Navigation
yeah ! great ! what is the map source used to route ? an osm file ? or do you use a binary-optimised one ? Anyway, so glad you did it in EFL :) On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 8:20 PM, Patryk Benderz patryk.bend...@esp.plwrote: Dnia 2009-12-09, śro o godzinie 11:02 -0800, Mike Crash pisze: Hello everyone, I only want to inform you, that I am working on new navigation for the Freerunner, current name is MC Navi, but may change. Great! Looks nice :) Right on time to todays CU release. Lets put it to Community section until you release stable application. -- Patryk LeadMan Benderz Linux Registered User #377521 () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments Email secured by Check Point ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Steven Le Roux Jabber-ID : ste...@jabber.fr 0x39494CCB ste...@le-roux.info 2FF7 226B 552E 4709 03F0 6281 72D7 A010 3949 4CCB ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[For Sale] Reduced Price: Freerunner w/ buzz fix + lots of accessories
I don't remember if this is a GTA02v5 or v6. I got it release day, so it's probably a v5. Buzz fix was applied by a tech at my work (not an official company service). Includes original accessories: * A/C Power Cord with adapters * Original Openmoko battery * Micro USB cable * Wired headset * Stylus/pen/laser/light * Openmoko brand carrying pouch * Original packaging Plus after-market accessories: * 2 x 8GB micro-SD cards (A-Data brand, verified compatible) * 2.5mm to 3.5mm stereo audio adapter (don't know if the mic connection passes through, but I have tested with standard 3.5mm headphones) * Female USB to male micro-USB adapter * Extra micro USB cable * Invisible Shield screen protector (still in box, not applied to screen) * 3 x mini stylus (COWON D2 stylus) All for $150 or best offer. -Steven ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: tangogps 0.99.1
Great ! I just ran TangoGPS and noticed the new version in debian :) . You're quick ! Very good release ! congrats ! On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 6:26 PM, Tiago Bortoletto Vaz ti...@debian.org wrote: On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 14:36:45 +0100, Marcus Bauer wrote Hi out there, the latest release of tangoGPS is out. New features include: * a revamped layout - better usage of screen estate on the Freerunner and much nice layout on netbooks and laptops * route tracks - you can now fetch route tracks from the web using three different webservices I have made a ARM EABI binary (only the binary, not a package). The full news with screenshots on http://www.tangogps.org/ Great! Already pushed to Debian: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=557513 :) -- Tiago Bortoletto Vaz http://tiagovaz.org 0xA504FECA - http://pgp.mit.edu ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Steven Le Roux Jabber-ID : ste...@jabber.fr 0x39494CCB ste...@le-roux.info 2FF7 226B 552E 4709 03F0 6281 72D7 A010 3949 4CCB ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Shr-User] SHR-unstable got a facelift. And you a christmas present....
to 2.6.31 (including KMS goodness, see http://www.bitwiz.org.uk/s/how-dri-and-drm-work.html) for adventurous users some time after this release. We just had to make a cut somewhere and this did not make it in yet. What is NOT working: * Ringtones are not working yet after the first call (it just vibrates). There is an issue related to the new fsodeviced and how it handles alsa sound profiles. We are investigating this issue. * 2s Power button press does not shutdown, as the delayed action thingie seems broken. You'll just get the shutdown menu in any case ATM... * Hoversels in python-elementary seem broken, so you can't switch profiles from the shr-settings app. * The time is off as the timezone remains set to Europe/London. * Number-to-Name resolution is currently broken in the SMS message list. * ffalarms crashes when you add an alarm... So don't use your FR as an alarm clock with this image. External packages, such as those from opkg.org might be broken due to the updated components. We do invite external app programmers to submit their applications for inclusion as a openembedded build recipe and have them added to the SHR feed, so that apps are just a simple opkg install away. Finally, although this snapshot has taken quite some time, I think we should congratulate those people that have worked hard in their spare time to put it all back together, first and foremost mrmoku, who has been a great informal lead dev and tireless buildhost guardian. But also TAsn, dos1, JaMa, Heinervdm, JesusMcCloud, mickeyl, pb (and many others that I have forgotten now), as well as all those 3rd party application authors of apps that make the openmoko interesting. ___ Shr-User mailing list shr-u...@lists.shr-project.org http://lists.shr-project.org/mailman/listinfo/shr-user - ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Steven Le Roux Jabber-ID : ste...@jabber.fr 0x39494CCB ste...@le-roux.info 2FF7 226B 552E 4709 03F0 6281 72D7 A010 3949 4CCB ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [For Sale] Freerunner w/ buzz fix and lots of accessories
Items will ship from Iowa, USA -Steven On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 10:48 AM, Atilla Filiz atilla.fi...@gmail.com wrote: Where do you live? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [All] Black Screen of Death - Won't resume from standby
I don't have omnewrotate nor do I ever use GPS. So, I don't think those are the cause. Now, I'm sure my phone switches towers occasionally. And I have an extreme case of the recamping issue. I maybe see it more often with Android-on-Freerunner now that they're doing an adaptive deep-sleep (which I had disabled on SHR-Unstable). Or that could just be bad luck... -Steven On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 1:04 PM, Matthias Huber matthias.hu...@wollishausen.de wrote: 31.10.2009 18:03, Warren Baird : I just started noticing this on an shr-u build updated in early sept. The only thing I've changed lately is installing omnewrotate. I also noticed it on an install of the shr-testing candidate, that also had omnewrotate installed. I'm going to keep omnewrotate installed for a while and see how often I get the BSOD. Then I'll uninstall or disable omnewrotate and see what happens. i have actually no omnewrotate installed, but i had some time ago. On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 4:27 AM, Matthias Huber matthias.hu...@wollishausen.de wrote: Steven ** schrieb: I've seen this several times with SHR-Unstable and now with Android. So, I'd say it's something that is common among these distro's. Is it seen on all distros? Is it the kernel? Hardware bug? Bootloader issue? Any clues how to debug this or what might cause it? I know I'm not the only one that sees it. How are others dealing with these random lock-ups? i have this too with my system gta02v6 latest shr-u. sometimes i thought, it has to do with gps, but i am not sure about. sometimes i think, problem it is changing cell while sleeping. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[All] Black Screen of Death - Won't resume from standby
I've seen this several times with SHR-Unstable and now with Android. So, I'd say it's something that is common among these distro's. Is it seen on all distros? Is it the kernel? Hardware bug? Bootloader issue? Any clues how to debug this or what might cause it? I know I'm not the only one that sees it. How are others dealing with these random lock-ups? Thanks, Steven ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: #1024-rework service available
On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 1:16 AM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@computer.org wrote: Hi all, Conditions • This service is for the EU harmonized market only (sorry for Norway Switzerland) So, this excludes US customers? Is there someone offering a similar service in the US? Thanks, Steven ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [reader] Wikireader received
Hi david, Did you see this: http://www.qi-hardware.com/2009/10/17/recent-developments/ I've got some units in. It took a couple days but we have a browser on the device and wikipedia. It was easy when we just decided to use what the open source community had already created. Looking forward to doing other wikimedia on the device since we have color and audio. drop me a line Steve On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 12:13 PM, David Reyes Samblas Martinez da...@tuxbrain.com wrote: 2009/10/19 Doug Jones dj...@frombob.to: I ordered it a few hours after Sean's announcement. It arrived a few minutes ago. It works. However, I was disappointed that it contained no entry for Wikireader. ;-) Was pleased to see it came with nice alkaline batteries, not those cheap carbon ones that eventually fail and destroy the device they came with. But instead, I put in a pair of eneloop rechargeable NiMH batteries, 1.2 volts. Those seem to work just fine. It came with an 8GB microSDHC card. 3.2GB free, plenty of room for more data. Next: Figure out how to hack in a extra button at the top level that takes us to a custom page where we can link in our own personal content... ...and some code to run on my desktop machine, to manage the content of these SD cards... ...thanks, guys, there goes another chunk of my copious spare time... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community envy, a lot of envy :P David Reyes Samblas Martinez http://www.tuxbrain.com Open ultraportable embedded solutions Openmoko, Openpandora, Arduino Hey, watch out!!! There's a linux in your pocket!!! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OT:Advances on Ben NanoNote and other things (was Re: [reader] Wikireader received)
Thanks David I saw your name and just hit reply. Lets take this to the www.qi-hardware.com list. On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 2:29 PM, David Reyes Samblas Martinez da...@tuxbrain.com wrote: Hi Steve! Firts of all and to not distort the beautifull first blood thread of Doug I have started it in a another one and also maked it OT due in spite is interesting due is about open hardware is not strictly Openmoko related. So after the first intro here we go Yes I have seen this , maybe I'm too much quiet in the Qi Hardware List[1], but I read almost all messages there even those I don't understand about kernel things :), and of course the blog posts, and hey! I also start translating your(our) wiki to spanish :P. So be sure I have more than an eye there. Having GTK over Frambuffer, also see the benchmark , cool! is a great great news, you have open a lot of doors for port already existing apps and to do new developments.Now next step is have QT over Framebuffer too on Openwrt, (if it's not already done yet) and possibilities will just multiply :) Just a point about the envy, is not just to have a wikipedia in your pocket, is for have the device itself :) long time waiting that project B thing , yes geeks have a part of collector , and there is no much commercialized open gadgets out there so any new one is an object of desire. By the way I'm in touch with Wolfgang and Mirko to have one of those first Ben NanoNote and start playing with it and spread the results of the playing to the world, and yes a color/audio version of The Hitchhiker's Gu... sorry Wikipedia will be a cool cool thing :) A lot of beautiful devices will arrive at Tuxbrain soon, at least as sample, Wikireader, Ben Nanonote, Always Innovating Touchbook, Openpandora, and now I have in my hands an awesome Sharp Netwalker(some experiments along with Neo Freerunner soon :P), I wish having three or four more hands to handle all this beauties at once :) but at least they have the size to wear them everywhere. But I have no patience to wait for them without feeling greats amounts of envy when I saw other has the luck to play with them first. I'ts not so bad :) this ugly feeling disappears once the courier knocks my door :) and is fully forgotten once I start sending them to other envious and anxious geeks to calm their hungry of hacking. Steve, I don't know if your are aware about the om-showroom project[2][3], it stills on early stages but I hope in short I will have a test site up an running , I was thinking , due NanoNote is based on Openwrt that is based on ipk packages as is SHR, do a nanonote-showroom will not be so much difficult. I you think is a good Idea I can express it in the qi-hardware list. Just same requeriments as om-showroom, Tuxbrain logo as sponsor, and some classic banner about Tuxbrain products at the bottom ;P, Love to talk with you again on this list, man ;) [1]http://lists.qi-hardware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/developer [2]http://www.tuxbrain.com/en/content/om-showroom-something-show David Reyes Samblas Martinez http://www.tuxbrain.com Open ultraportable embedded solutions Openmoko, Openpandora, Arduino Hey, watch out!!! There's a linux in your pocket!!! 2009/10/19 steven mosher mosherste...@gmail.com: Hi david, Did you see this: http://www.qi-hardware.com/2009/10/17/recent-developments/ I've got some units in. It took a couple days but we have a browser on the device and wikipedia. It was easy when we just decided to use what the open source community had already created. Looking forward to doing other wikimedia on the device since we have color and audio. drop me a line Steve On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 12:13 PM, David Reyes Samblas Martinez da...@tuxbrain.com wrote: 2009/10/19 Doug Jones dj...@frombob.to: I ordered it a few hours after Sean's announcement. It arrived a few minutes ago. It works. However, I was disappointed that it contained no entry for Wikireader. ;-) Was pleased to see it came with nice alkaline batteries, not those cheap carbon ones that eventually fail and destroy the device they came with. But instead, I put in a pair of eneloop rechargeable NiMH batteries, 1.2 volts. Those seem to work just fine. It came with an 8GB microSDHC card. 3.2GB free, plenty of room for more data. Next: Figure out how to hack in a extra button at the top level that takes us to a custom page where we can link in our own personal content... ...and some code to run on my desktop machine, to manage the content of these SD cards... ...thanks, guys, there goes another chunk of my copious spare time... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community envy, a lot of envy :P
Re: Tips when GSM doesn't work
There is a thread on the SHR user mailing list about this issue. I don't think there was any consensus on what causes it or how to avoid it though. -Steven 2009/10/13 Cristian Gómez cristianp...@gmail.com: I re-read my previous message and I think this part can be confusing: ..I tried calling to the FR and it rings but it wasn't noticeable by any event on the FR. it rings: means that I hear the ring on the phone from I was calling (don't know how to make it more clear, but I think you have the point now) / * Don't Worry...Be Linux * Cristian Gómez Alvarez * Ingeniero en Sistemas y Computación * Universidad de Caldas * Comunidad de Software Libre Manizales * IEEE/WIE Student Member * Linux User #463617 * Mi Blog: http://cristianpark.sehablalinux.com / El 13 de octubre de 2009 21:11, Cristian Gómez cristianp...@gmail.com escribió: Thank you so much to all of you for your answers. I can't determine what was the problem, I changed the SIM and it works and after a while I put the *bad SIM again and it works well after that. I notice another thing that happened to me today: My FR doesn't wake up after a suspend, like it was on deep sleep mode. I tried calling to the FR and it rings but it wasn't noticeable by any event on the FR. Unfortunally again, it only have happened this time so I don't have any log or something :S if it happens again, I'll try to grab some information about it. Until now I'm with the *bad SIM working well. Did your FR suffer from an impact? Or do you think your problem is software related? Niels, this is not my case but thanks for the advice to try to not let fall the FR. I hope yours doesn't have any serious damage and you can figure out what was affected with the fall Thanks again for your answers * Bad as the SIM that give me the problem / * Don't Worry...Be Linux * Cristian Gómez Alvarez * Ingeniero en Sistemas y Computación * Universidad de Caldas * Comunidad de Software Libre Manizales * IEEE/WIE Student Member * Linux User #463617 * Mi Blog: http://cristianpark.sehablalinux.com / ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: new Android Cupcake release for Freerunner
On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 7:55 PM, Jim Ancona j...@anconafamily.com wrote: And in fact, almost all of the (non-Google) apps I've tried seem to run on my Freerunner. Jim Although not necessarily well. I tried some puzzle game I downloaded from AndAppStore. It ran horribly slow. I didn't think the Freerunner was much slower than the G1. Anyone else have trouble like this? -Steven ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Tips when GSM doesn't work
I use the following script to restart phone features on SHR-Unstable. Seems to work pretty well. #!/bin/sh killall -9 ophonekitd /etc/init.d/frameworkd restart ophonekitd If you run this from a terminal/shell, you'll see the output of ophonekitd and can see when the GSM connects (it usually takes a minute for my frameword to be ready for the GSM). -Steven 2009/10/12 Cristian Gómez cristianp...@gmail.com: I'm using my FR (with SHR - last) as main phone. I experienced sometimes that when I start SHR, GSM functions doesn't start I don't know how can I check any log or how can I start manually GSM services, I type /etc/init.d/frameworkd restart, but I don't know if it's supossed to solve this issue. Can you give me some advices to take in count when I have this problem? What I'm doing was: it happens to me few hours ago, I was renaming icons of the desktop so I can have them in the order I want when I was editing pidgin.desktop I save the file (I was connected via SSH) and got an error message that give me two choices: Restart - Stop I press Stop and it goes to the terminal and hangs on a message: restarting xserver so I power down by removing the battery (I know, the ugly way) and wait a few seconds to put it back again. When I power on the FR again, when SHR starts, I don't have GSM services I let the FR without any intervention a few minutes and it never get GSM active, I tried restarting frameworkd and it doesn't do anything ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] new package: theremin (alfa version warning)
The stutter is similar to what I heard when using fluidsynth on the Neo. Does this app use a synth program to generate the sound? Or does it do it directly? -Steven On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 9:29 AM, Aapo Rantalainen aapo.rantalai...@gmail.com wrote: I packaged maemo-theremin[1] on freerunner SHR-U. It is nice musical tool but unfortunately it is just little bit too slowly to work smoothly. Anybody has any ideas how to get it working little bit faster? Package: http://www.opkg.org/package_287.html Info http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Theremin -Aapo Rantalainen [1] http://theremin.garage.maemo.org/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR-u] black screen of death on resume
I had this problem before SHR-Today was even available. So, I don't think it's the culprit. -Steven On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 5:15 AM, Petr Vanek van...@penguin.cz wrote: My phone's in this state now - it went straight to voice mail when I tried to call I was able to ssh in - and am diggin through the logs.Nothing too obvious in ophonekitd. Without timestamps in the log it's hard to tell exactly where the problem started. i haven't read the begging of this thread so sorry if i duplicate something... but just an idea - do you have shr-today installed? i have a feeling it would not undim the screen sometimes... Petr ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR-u] black screen of death on resume
Can you get phone calls while experiencing this BSOD? As in, you hear the ringing, but you can't accept the call? -Steven On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 11:15 AM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra r...@ansol.org wrote: Mine is much more frequent (I've even disabled suspend, drastically reducing the availability time of my device). However, if you press and hold the power button from about 8 s the device will power off without you needing to open the case and pull the battery off. Rui ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Paroli Theme/UI proposals
It's just Brilliant !! I would love to use that ! But maybe it should be a different project than paroli because I think it more than a theme which is needed to approach your mockups On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 11:26 PM, Jon Kristian Nilsen jokr.nil...@gmail.com wrote: Long overdue, but here it comes:) As mentioned a couple of times on irc, I've been working on a few ideas I've had regarding paroli. What got me interested in this was the post to the ML some time ago: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2009-May/048133.html Now these are just mock-ups, but ihmo pretty god ones. I've spent quality time thinking about user friendliness and what I'd like to see:) Ofcourse I've probably missed out a few bit's and pieces here and there, heck, I don't even know if it's doable, but I will let others be the judge of that, since im not familiar with the code. It's all explained in my post and under each picture, so I hope you guys understand my thoughts even though English is my 2nd language:D Hope you guys like my work: http://jonkristian.no/2009/08/paroli-ui-theme-proposals/ Best regards Jon Kristian Nilsen -- http://jonkristian.no http://divineintervention.no ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Steven Le Roux Jabber-ID : ste...@jabber.fr 0x39494CCB ste...@le-roux.info 2FF7 226B 552E 4709 03F0 6281 72D7 A010 3949 4CCB ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR-u] black screen of death on resume
My black screen of death is a little different. About once a month, my Neo will refuse to wake up from suspend. I have to pull the battery to reboot. It usually happens in the middle of the day (where it's just sorta annoying). But last night/this morning it did it and made me late for work (because the alarm didn't go off). :-( Am I the only one this happens to? -Steven On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 8:45 AM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra r...@1407.org wrote: Is anyone else noticing a black screen of death when pressing the power button for resume? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR-u] black screen of death on resume
Nope. Holding the power button does nothing for me. My Neo just isn't awake at all. It's a brick until I pull the battery out to reset it. I know it's still on because holding the power button would normally cause it to boot up... And if it was on with just no backlight, I'd be able to get calls and hear my alarm sound. That's not the case when this error occurs. Are there any logs I could check that might give a clue as to what the issue was? My understanding is that the logs are lost on a reboot though... -Steven On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 11:15 AM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra r...@ansol.org wrote: Mine is much more frequent (I've even disabled suspend, drastically reducing the availability time of my device). However, if you press and hold the power button from about 8 s the device will power off without you needing to open the case and pull the battery off. Rui On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 10:55:17AM -0500, Steven ** wrote: My black screen of death is a little different. About once a month, my Neo will refuse to wake up from suspend. I have to pull the battery to reboot. It usually happens in the middle of the day (where it's just sorta annoying). But last night/this morning it did it and made me late for work (because the alarm didn't go off). :-( Am I the only one this happens to? -Steven On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 8:45 AM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra r...@1407.org wrote: Is anyone else noticing a black screen of death when pressing the power button for resume? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [debian] e and illume: how to configure launcher icons?
I'm pretty sure Illume does not have support for categories or the ability to hide apps (especially not through a menu). Workarounds: If you delete the .desktop file from /usr/share/applications/, it won't be displayed. If your .desktop file doesn't contain Type=Application, I don't think it'll be displayed. -Steven On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 7:43 AM, arne anka openm...@ginguppin.de wrote: i'm just checking out enlightenment with illume theme and am very confused about the icons shown on the desktop (launcher). i am sure there has to be a setting where the apps to be listed are selectebale -- and yet, in the rather confusing settings (top shelf - wrench) i don't find anything. so far i've seen that apparently ~/.e/e/appshadow/ contains everything displayed -- but that folder is populated with links from /usr/share/applications/, which strikes me as rather odd, and is recretated everytime e crashes or is restarted, thereby removing _any_ loacl change, with is not longer odd but inacceptable. tapping and holding on the desktop's background doesn't either offer any possibility to configure the launcher's content. so, where does one do that? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Auto home revision 1.1
Where is the software? Where are the details? What software is running on the computer? How does it interface with the appliances? etc. -Steven On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 2:52 AM, sriranjan ran...@ideachi.com wrote: Hi, We have made the home automation software revision 1.1.This does not require an external dongle like in the previous one.It operates via bluetooth.The phone connects to central home computer and which in turn controls the appliance grid.Basically a layered network implementation. Also included 6-digit numlock based control. This way one can control all the appliance in an entire building using the phone. Posted in the website http://ideachi.com Thanks and Regards Sriranjan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Updated package for the puzzle collection
What are the new games? I have oh-puzzles installed with the 24 separate icons. But, I'm using c_c's launcher app to provide a Games category. I'd prefer to be able to launch a specific game right away, as opposed to some sort of launcher script that makes me select which game I want to launch. I only play 3 or 4 of the 24 games anyways... Perhaps you could do both? By default, install a wrapper script. But also provide a second ipk that creates all the .desktop files for each game. -Steven On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 7:45 AM, EdorFaus edorf...@xepher.net wrote: Hi, I finally got tired enough of Loopy not working to do something about it, and ended up creating an updated package. This package has only been tested on SHR-U, but I think it should work on OM and other opkg-based ones too? As long as they have GTK+... The oh-puzzles package is an old fork of Simon Tatham's Portable Puzzle Collection[1], that doesn't seem to be updated these days. So I grabbed the original source from ST's repository instead, and compiled that with the OM toolchain. Only minor changes to the makefile was needed. Just for the record, this is NOT a new fork, nor do I intend to make one, this is just a build of the upstream source. Compared with oh-puzzles, this new package contains several new games and features, a working Loopy, and icons on all the desktop shortcuts. The icons were generated from the same source, using code that already existed for that purpose. The .desktop files are my addition though. On that note: does anyone know what the size(in pixels) is of the desktop icons on the default launcher? (so I can provide that size) I intend to maintain this package as new versions come out, and have (with that in mind) created a personal repository[2] holding it. I also uploaded it to opkg.org[3], so people can find it. I'm going to do some work on automating the building process, and hopefully get my changes into upstream source when I'm done (there's already code there for other platforms). One problem is the icon generation, which needs an X server and to run the built executables. In the meantime, anyone who wants more detail on the makefile changes or other parts of the process, can just ask me. I also hope to take a look at the frontend and getting support for singlebutton mice (such as the touchscreen) into it, and have some ideas for how to do that; but as I'm not familiar with GTK, don't hold your breath. This probably won't happen (by my hand) anytime soon. One thing of note is that having 27 new icons on the desktop from just this one package can be a bit much (though similiar to oh-puzzles' 24). Having a launcher (as fylefou suggested on opkg.org) might be a good alternative, but I don't know how (best) to make one, and don't know if everyone would like one (people using sortdesk might prefer not). I also considered making a monolithic binary with all the games in one, but as I would have to make a new frontend to do that, it's not something I could do quickly. Besides, that would probably take more memory to run. If anyone has any good ideas for this, I'm listening. -- EdorFaus [1] http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/puzzles/ [2] http://ipk.edorfaus.info/armv4t [3] http://www.opkg.org/package_283.html ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Litephone 0.1
I'll try it out tonight and get back. But I did notice one thing from the screenshots... http://openmoko.senfdax.de/screenshots/litephone-0.1-5.png Is that supposed to say address at the top? And is that a tab or something (can't figure it out from the screenshot)? -Steven On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 2:37 PM, Christof Musik chris...@senfdax.de wrote: Hello Today I'm pleased to announce Litephone 0.1. Since the last version released by Michal I've done some work and improved the whole code. There are also many changes and fixes for the UI. To install it follow the instructions on www.litephone.org. There you will find all packages that are needed to install Litephone and Qt. Here is a quick summary of the changes I've done: - Improved message and phonelog view - Contacts can have more properties - Added PIN input widget and use it in PIN change dialog - Translation support (thanks to Bartłomiej Zimoń for polish translation) - Improved startup code If you find any bugs or have feature requests, just report them on www.litephone.org Kind regards, Christof ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: gta02-core weekly news
Congratulations all around. On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 11:50 AM, Alvie alvie...@gmail.com wrote: Hello all, For your information, (As some of you might already know) I decided to create a blog to post weekly news about the #gta02-core project. Maybe this will attract those that hate emails and reading through email lists, anyway, my idea is to have something like Corbet et. al. do on LWN.net: a pretty much summarized, quick to read, easy to understand, change log of what is happening out there. Blog lies here: http://gta02-core-news.blogspot.com/ If anyone has ideas, suggestions, or wish to contribute in any way, you are (as always) very very welcomed. Best, Álvaro ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [shr-u] wakeuptime, was Re: 2.6.31 is out,where is my ultimatekernel?
I'm using SHR-Unstable (updated/upgraded this morning). I hear 3 rings on the sending line before the Neo rings if it is suspended. Even when it's awake, the Neo doesn't ring/vibrate until shortly after the second ring on the sending line. This is all with the debugfs tweak (which I don't think sped anything up for me). Perhaps this delay is caused by my network though? -Steven ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Launcher - v 0.35 Release (inbuilt contacts, sms and phonelog)
Another small bug: Most of the time, after the title changes to Loading, it never changes back. Which makes it difficult to tell if a click actually launched the app. Honestly, I prefer the Illume launch overlay anyways, as it prevented you from accidentally launching twice and made it very clear that your click worked and something was loading. -Steven On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 2:55 AM, c_c cchan...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi, Much later than I thought, but here's the latest release of Launcher. Features * Inbuilt contacts, sms and phonelog apps * uses opim backends * shows cell broadcast info Feedback is welcome. Enjoy! http://n2.nabble.com/file/n3552019/launcher_0.35_arm.ipk launcher_0.35_arm.ipk -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Launcher-v-0-35-Release-inbuilt-contacts-sms-and-phonelog-tp3552019p3552019.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR-U] Paroli misses tichy
It could be could to produce a SHR-U snapshot with paroli to try it out of the box and to quicky have a lot of tester. On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 12:01 AM, Laszlo KREKACS laszlo.krekacs.l...@gmail.com wrote: I miss paroli;) Looking at the paroli package, the tichy directory is not copied over. Do you know where can I find the .bb recipe for paroli and paroli-calculator? All the two needs fixing. Also would be nice to compare wiht om2009's .bb recipe. Best regards, Laszlo ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Steven Le Roux Jabber-ID : ste...@jabber.fr 0x39494CCB ste...@le-roux.info 2FF7 226B 552E 4709 03F0 6281 72D7 A010 3949 4CCB ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Launcher - v 0.35 Release (inbuilt contacts, sms and phonelog)
Your messages app doesn't get most of my contact names right. It just shows the phone number. I'm guessing this is because none of my contacts have a 1 at the start, but the framework stores the received number with that 1. Once I corrected my framework config file, the shr-messages app gets the contact names correctly. The contacts is nice, particularly the jump feature. It didn't work for the first few letters I chose (it would instead jump to the end of the list). Perhaps it hadn't finished building the whole list yet or something. Because after jumping around a few times to letters that did work, I tried one that hadn't worked originally and it then worked. Also, the sorting should probably be case insensitive. I noticed one of my contacts that starts with a lowercase letter is placed at the end of the list instead of where it belongs alphabetically. -Steven ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: blink AUX or power light while suspended?
On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 4:04 PM, Rask Ingemann Lambertsenccc94...@vip.cybercity.dk wrote: On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 11:06:24PM +0200, arne anka wrote: This post in that same thread mentions that leaving an LED on would halve the battery life while suspended: what it says is, _blinking_ would halve it, since blinking would mean resume/suspend/resume/suspend ... No, leaving it permanently lit would approximately halve battery life. Suspend current is around 8 mA, AUX LED current is around 6 mA (GTA02 revision 6)[1]. -- Rask Ingemann Lambertsen Is that halving the theoretical suspend time (I thought someone was claiming a suspend life on about 100 hours) or the real suspend time? If we're talking about reducing suspend time to 50 hours, I'd be fine with that. Honestly, I don't think it'd be that much of an issue as I would not expect that LED to be on for long. The point of lighting the LED would be to get my attention if I was away from my phone when a call or sms came in. Obviously the LED would be cleared once I checked the event. So, for my usage, I wouldn't expect that LED to ever be lit for more than 30 minutes. -Steven ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QNavitCtl - Navit Bookmarks via dbus
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 10:15 AM, Patryk Benderz patryk.bend...@esp.plwrote: [cut] I like all the purposes you did it for - this makes Navit again a bit more usable Oh, come on Risto, it is much more usable than tangoGPS for example. Navit has a working routing engine which is vital. You're wrong comparing both solutions here. They are not intented to do the same job. TangoGPS is not a routing app and, in a lot of case, this is enough seeing where you are going to drive, without the need of routing. These soft are not in the same cathegory to me. -- Kind Regards, Patryk LeadMan Benderz Linux Registered User #377521 () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments Email secured by Check Point ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Steven Le Roux Jabber-ID : ste...@jabber.fr 0x39494CCB ste...@le-roux.info 2FF7 226B 552E 4709 03F0 6281 72D7 A010 3949 4CCB ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: blink AUX or power light while suspended?
To clarify, is it possible to have the LED's on while in suspend at all? Or does the software have to drive the LED high (and default without software input is off)? -Steven On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 11:25 PM, Timo Juhani Lindforstimo.lindf...@iki.fi wrote: Nathan Kinkade n...@nkinka.de writes: 1) Is it even possible for one of those lights to flash intermittently while the device is suspended? No. Leds are blinked using an FIQ handler which is software. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: One Neo Freerunner for sale
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 12:05 AM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra r...@1407.orgwrote: On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 11:47:36PM +0200, Steven Le Roux wrote: yes ! and the Illume 2 which will come in the next month will kick ass for sure :) Got info on that? Can I haz illume2 kthnxbye!? too early for the moment I think :) News from here : http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/blog/ecn200934 You can compile from src/modules/illume2 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Steven Le Roux Jabber-ID : ste...@jabber.fr 0x39494CCB ste...@le-roux.info 2FF7 226B 552E 4709 03F0 6281 72D7 A010 3949 4CCB ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Illume2 (was One Neo Freerunner for sale)
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 3:58 PM, Marcel tan...@googlemail.com wrote: Am Donnerstag, den 27.08.2009, 13:49 +0100 schrieb Rui Miguel Silva Seabra: On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 01:47:22PM +0200, Lukas Märdian wrote: Am 27.08.2009 10:18, schrieb Markus T?rnqvist: On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 11:07:53AM +0300, Risto H. Kurppa wrote: Got info on that? Can I haz illume2 kthnxbye!? Yes, screenshots, links, something. Didn't hear about this before.. +1 please A little research on Google gave me this results: Enlightenment changeset from raster: http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/changeset/41883 and a small sentence about it on Planet E: http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/blog/ecn200934 I did that, but those aren't as nice as a nice little screenshot :) From what I see there is not much that could be shot as illume2 yet... normal, I also just tried, illume2 is kind of a fork from illume, with code cleaning and refactorization before going further. I see a little difference on my desktop btw, the illume2 module is less intrusive. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Steven Le Roux Jabber-ID : ste...@jabber.fr 0x39494CCB ste...@le-roux.info 2FF7 226B 552E 4709 03F0 6281 72D7 A010 3949 4CCB ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: One Neo Freerunner for sale
On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 8:22 PM, Risto H. Kurppa ri...@kurppa.fi wrote: 2009/8/26 Benny Källström benny.kallst...@multi.fi: I am selling my Neo Freerunner A6, with the buzz fix applied by Golden Delicious Computers. It includes: 1 Neo Freerunner in Perfect Condition, only used it for two weeks. No scrats on the screen. 2 Li-ion original batteries, usb cable, ac charger, OpenMoko Freerunner Pouch, memory card 4 gb microSD with adapter, OpenMoko Headset. Packed in Original protective box. Price 140 € + shipping charges. I will ship WorldWide, in traceable insured parcel. CHEAP! Let's see if someone from Finland will buy it to save some shipping costs. I hope you didn't get frustrated with the community as there're some awesome things happening right now: http://risto.kurppa.fi/blog/great-news-from-the-openmoko-community/ yes ! and the Illume 2 which will come in the next month will kick ass for sure :) Cheers! r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Steven Le Roux Jabber-ID : ste...@jabber.fr 0x39494CCB ste...@le-roux.info 2FF7 226B 552E 4709 03F0 6281 72D7 A010 3949 4CCB ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Enhancing launcher - feedback
The notifications stuff makes sense, as it is definitely needed(although preferably integrated with Illume instead of standalone). But what is the motivation for writing another set of phone apps? And why as part of launcher (and not standalone apps)? -Steven On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 10:25 PM, c_ccchan...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi, I thought I'll use this email to get some feedback on this ML. I've spent some time trying to add stuff to Illume - but am still divided between having a seperate user space app for the FR. Tying phone functionality to Illume doesn't really feel right. Launcher already works reasonably - and adding basic phone functionality will make a lot of sense - hence this effort. Unfortunately, I'm never really satisfied with the basic ;-) The plan is therefore to add the following:- * call log (already done to a large extent) * match numbers to callers (in progress) * sms app (with threads) (planned but not yet started) * location info display (if someone can show me how) * notification service - (stuck halfway) allowing any app to give a notification to the user. It'll work similar to the way things work now for indicating sms/missed calls. A notification icon gets shown on the home page, clicking it brings up a notifications window with an icon and a message in a button allowing the (client) app to set another app (mostly itself) to run in response to the button click. * reminders for notifications (including sms/missed calls) * icons indicating the profile settings (vibrate / silent etc) * perhaps overloading the aux button to provide some specific functionality (like brightness/picking calls etc) Help needed * dbus service using e libs. How do I register a service from a running app? I'm a little unsure about whether a marshaller is needed or not - and what the right way to implement this using e would be. * icons for just about everything - missed calls, incoming calls, outgoing calls, new sms, read sms, phone icon, mobile icon etc. I'm currently using icons from opimd-utils. Hope that's OK. * bug reports on launcher. There are a few pending bugs - will fix them soon. I'll get back sms/missed call functionality (had shifted to opimd till I was told that the current stack hasn't) and will release a test version with phonelog working soon(maybe today). ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Reading binary messages
On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 10:51 AM, Bernd Prünsterbernd.pruens...@gmail.com wrote: KaZeR schrieb: Hello list. Has anyone succeeded / starting working on reading binary sms? I have some of them sitting in my inbox, under SHR it's only displayed as This is a binary message Thanks in advance! isnt this text also displayed when getting an mms? Yes I'm pretty sure this is the case. I got one receiving an mms. But maybe Kazer wanted to ask if there is work to display mms... (which are binary sms...) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Steven Le Roux Jabber-ID : ste...@jabber.fr 0x39494CCB ste...@le-roux.info 2FF7 226B 552E 4709 03F0 6281 72D7 A010 3949 4CCB ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: om2009/paroli status
On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 12:42 AM, Laszlo KREKACSlaszlo.krekacs.l...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 11:40 PM, Risto H. Kurppari...@kurppa.fi wrote: (I understand that Laszlo didn't get the support needed but got some of his code rejected - lost interest.. ) I would like to add my 2 cents here;) I didnt stopped working on paroli at all, just my attention was distracted by some hobby project (home-made electric bike) and I was on vacation in the last 2 weeks (hence the late reply). But I agree, what Mirko is doing, are the worst scenario of every possible act, ie. stating he is working on paroli, but his last real work on paroli was exactly two months ago on June 3, with commit 6b47ad3a17814105e7107dcf7cc30dc4f3584387. In addition to this he is not responding to emails, especially which contains programing questions regarding to paroli. (I know, because I shoot 10-15 emails already to him in these 2 months). I have read somewhere some years ago, how to best quit an open source project, but I cant locate it anymore (nor on the web nor in my computer). It addressed this very issue, how to avoid this kind of frustrations. I would like to suggest to Qi company (Mirko's bosses;), to allow (better word: force) Mirko to work on Paroli one hour per week. To answer questions, and integrate others' works. There are many ongoing work, which needs to be integrated into paroli. There are two branches by Dietrich, namely tacheles and rebase. Where tacheles needs some very deep (tichy/paroli) knowledge, to be able to integrate into paroli. Other seems mostly cleanup. We should really need some kind of communication platform, because I for example never met with Dietrich, but I really like his works (on pyneo.org, I based my gps program on his mappad work. It was he or josch) So there are two more possible contributors: Dietrich and josch. They need some attention, to not lost his interests in paroli. I for example have many more or less working programs, which needs some help to properly integrate into paroli. (I have shoot an email like 4 days ago to Mirko, but no answer;) These are: - calculator app (already usable) - gps app, and I would like to develop some predefined gui for it: walking, running, biking, driving, paragliding The basics works, I need edje (.edc file) gui for more advanced things like zoom in, out and panning;) - note taking app (almost working) - calendar app (I have some gui sketches) - some already done (or planned) gui improvements for paroli - I have some gui ideas, where I need consensus from Mirko and Angus, one of them is putting topbar at the bottom. Because the bottom is not really finger usable, so why waste the valuable space at the top (just under illume's topbar). And it makes little sense to have two topbars at the top. Mirko: If you want to step back from paroli for some time (months), please, please integrate people's work before it, and only leave after. There are many things, where we really need you. Im not able to help Dietrich integrate his dbus based multithreading programs. I (for example) need some tichy help. I think everybody got an idea about paroli status. Best regards, Laszlo So nobody here has any news from Mirko ? Neither QI-Hardware ? I really like Paroli and would love to see this effort congratulate for example by being integrated into SHR too... but if the maintainer remains w/o news... Laszlo what do you think about a fork to apply your patches ? a continue with welcomed contrib ? -- Steven Le Roux Jabber-ID : ste...@jabber.fr 0x39494CCB ste...@le-roux.info 2FF7 226B 552E 4709 03F0 6281 72D7 A010 3949 4CCB ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: om2009/paroli status
On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 6:04 PM, Mirko Lindnervegyra...@paroli-project.org wrote: Hi, I am still alive and by no means agree that I am not doing anything. I would agree that I am not coding right now. I am in active contact with the pyneo crew, met with them in Hamburg and talked with fgau of epydial how to get the apps into paroli. MDT of pyneo who has started 2 branches has taken over the part of doing maintenance on paroli's core (formerly tichy) and this is still the plan. Adding features to paroli right now has been opted against as Angus and I still hope to be able to release Om2009. This requires bug-fixing not new features. I am also collaborating with Mirko from OpenWrt to get paroli fully supported on this platform as well. So nobody here has any news from Mirko ? Neither QI-Hardware ? Not on the mailinglists I admit, but I am online on irc regularly these days. Certainly less than during OM times and maybe difficult to catch due to changing nick names. Good to know :) I really like Paroli and would love to see this effort congratulate for example by being integrated into SHR too... but if the maintainer remains w/o news... Laszlo what do you think about a fork to apply your patches ? a continue with welcomed contrib ? I think a fork would be the worst case scenario. And you're right ! It was the last possible scenario to adopt... Laszlo also doesn't need to fork, if adding new features is desperately needed how about a branch? Certainly better than splitting the few resources that go into a project. I take part of the blame as I am heavily involved with Qi Hardware at the moment and also do like to socialize and enjoy the sun every now and again. I see a future for paroli and am interested in and working for a revival of a python based multi-purpose device UI. There is no pb being off for a while... but mails was looking like you're dead 2 month ago ;). So let's stabilize and what non-coding user can do more then adding tickets to the Trac ? /mirko -- Steven Le Roux Jabber-ID : ste...@jabber.fr 0x39494CCB ste...@le-roux.info 2FF7 226B 552E 4709 03F0 6281 72D7 A010 3949 4CCB ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FSO core team founds BGB company
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 5:51 PM, Michael 'Mickey' Lauermic...@vanille-media.de wrote: Braunschweig, Germany, 2009-07-29. For immediate release. The freesmartphone.org core-team founds a BGB company to facilitate the further development of free and open source middleware for Linux-based mobile systems: Lauer, Lübbe, Schmidt, Willmann, freesmartphone.org GbR. The core-team members of the freesmartphone.org project today announced the founding of a legal entity offering consulting, training, and implementation services around the freesmartphone.org middleware platform, also known as FSO[1]. We now have a single point of contact for both commercial and non-commercial parties who want to use our services to create compelling solutions. This is of interest for groups or individuals creating new devices or freeing existing devices (anti-vendor-ports) and who decided to incorporate the FSO middleware, says Dr. Michael Lauer, founder of the FSO project. If you care about the further development of this platform or if you need guidance for tailoring or customizing the FSO middleware, contact us via E-Mail at coret...@freesmartphone.org. With todays' smartphones evolving into ubiquituous companions, a gap has emerged between widely used FOSS components like the Linux kernel and core system libraries on one side, and end-user applications on the other side. The lack of a complete free mobile software stack hinders innovation and leads to reinventing proprietary solutions for services middleware. FSO's mission is to close this gap by designing and developing solid middleware for mobile systems in an open fashion; this refers to not only publishing source code under open source licenses, but also to sharing the whole design and development process with the community and giving both commercial and non-commercial entities a way to co-drive and steer the process. Built on top of the Linux kernel, FSO implements high level services for mobile application development, accessible via the DBus interprocess communication standard. Leveraging the FSO APIs allows the developer to concentrate on solving application domain problems, such as business logic and presentation of data, without having to worry about the device specifics and low level details, such as how to access resources, telephony, location awareness, data storage, etc. About freesmartphone.org: Previously funded by Openmoko Inc, freesmartphone.org is a collaboration platform for open source and open discussion software projects working on interoperability and shared technology for Linux-based smartphones. freesmartphone.org operates on the services layer (middleware) and offers APIs and reference implementations that support modern interconnected mobile devices. To provide reference solutions, freesmartphone.org works closely together with various device-specific communities such as the Openmoko, OpenEZX, and HTC-Linux groups. The FSO team honours and bases on specifications and software created by the freedesktop.org community. [1] http://www.freesmartphone.org This is great ! And I hope it will provide more visibility to FSO. more visibility = more contribs = more testing = more stable = best FOSS GSM middleware :) Since I love OS like om2009/Paroli, and even SHR (all EFL based development actually) , I would love to see FSO to be rock solid to help people to concentrate on Apps and tweaks :) -- Steven Le Roux Jabber-ID : ste...@jabber.fr 0x39494CCB ste...@le-roux.info 2FF7 226B 552E 4709 03F0 6281 72D7 A010 3949 4CCB ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FSO core team founds BGB company
Congratulations Mickey. Qi hardware supports your efforts and if there is anything we can do to assist you just let us know. There is a freesmartphone in Qi's future, hopefully sooner than people expect. FSO would be a vital part of that. I'll have mirko add your organizations to our list of links. Steve On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 8:51 AM, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer mic...@vanille-media.de wrote: Braunschweig, Germany, 2009-07-29. For immediate release. The freesmartphone.org core-team founds a BGB company to facilitate the further development of free and open source middleware for Linux-based mobile systems: Lauer, Lübbe, Schmidt, Willmann, freesmartphone.org GbR. The core-team members of the freesmartphone.org project today announced the founding of a legal entity offering consulting, training, and implementation services around the freesmartphone.org middleware platform, also known as FSO[1]. We now have a single point of contact for both commercial and non-commercial parties who want to use our services to create compelling solutions. This is of interest for groups or individuals creating new devices or freeing existing devices (anti-vendor-ports) and who decided to incorporate the FSO middleware, says Dr. Michael Lauer, founder of the FSO project. If you care about the further development of this platform or if you need guidance for tailoring or customizing the FSO middleware, contact us via E-Mail at coret...@freesmartphone.org. With todays' smartphones evolving into ubiquituous companions, a gap has emerged between widely used FOSS components like the Linux kernel and core system libraries on one side, and end-user applications on the other side. The lack of a complete free mobile software stack hinders innovation and leads to reinventing proprietary solutions for services middleware. FSO's mission is to close this gap by designing and developing solid middleware for mobile systems in an open fashion; this refers to not only publishing source code under open source licenses, but also to sharing the whole design and development process with the community and giving both commercial and non-commercial entities a way to co-drive and steer the process. Built on top of the Linux kernel, FSO implements high level services for mobile application development, accessible via the DBus interprocess communication standard. Leveraging the FSO APIs allows the developer to concentrate on solving application domain problems, such as business logic and presentation of data, without having to worry about the device specifics and low level details, such as how to access resources, telephony, location awareness, data storage, etc. About freesmartphone.org: Previously funded by Openmoko Inc, freesmartphone.org is a collaboration platform for open source and open discussion software projects working on interoperability and shared technology for Linux-based smartphones. freesmartphone.org operates on the services layer (middleware) and offers APIs and reference implementations that support modern interconnected mobile devices. To provide reference solutions, freesmartphone.org works closely together with various device-specific communities such as the Openmoko, OpenEZX, and HTC-Linux groups. The FSO team honours and bases on specifications and software created by the freedesktop.org community. [1] http://www.freesmartphone.org ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [fso] scripts on suspend/resume
This probably isn't exactly what you're looking for, but... I believe /etc/enlightenment/suspend.sh is the file ran to cause the suspend. You could modify that. I don't know if there's an equivalent for resume. That suspend script uses FSO. And it seems like FSO calls the Resume function of all the resources when the device comes out of suspend[1][2]. Perhaps you can use that? -Steven [1] http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=specs.git;a=blob_plain;f=html/org.freesmartphone.Usage.html;hb=HEAD#Suspend [2] http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=specs.git;a=blob_plain;f=html/org.freesmartphone.Resource.html;hb=HEAD#Resume On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 2:35 PM, arne ankaopenm...@ginguppin.de wrote: is there any infrastructure to run scripts upon suspend resp resume? the only way so far seems to be using apmd -- but that adds considerable delay to resume ... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Intone 0.61 Almost Stable ;-)
I tried those commands, but I get: WARNING: erroneous pipeline: no element sbcenc SBC seems to be part of bluez, but it's not in the latest SHR-unstable (or at least I couldn't find it). -Steven On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 8:56 PM, c_ccchan...@yahoo.com wrote: Also - Cry Regarder suggested that I try the following method for streaming music to the bt headsets - since it uses less CPU. gst-launch filesrc location=file.mp3 ! decodebin \ ! audioconvert \ ! audioresample \ ! sbcenc \ ! a2dpsink device=00:0C:78:41:04:B9 Can someone confirm this (since his phone is out for a buzzfix). It would be nice if someone posts back the following * how much CPU this method uses with mp3/oga files (and their bitrates) * how much CPU mplayer uses with the same files streaming over bt Also can you send me the errors (if any) gstreamer gives if :- 1. The streaming fails 2. There is no bluetooth device paired 3. The bluetooth headset is switched off while gstreamer is streaming. Thanks. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Is your GPS working today?
On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 8:48 PM, Sebastian Krzyszkowiak seba.d...@gmail.com wrote: Hey guys! Hi I have really small question. Is your GPS working now? Yes, these days, including today afternoon... On SHR, just launching TangoGPS, it works out of the box and TangoGPS rocks ! And if not, when it worked last time? Also if not - after trying to use it, check if you have rxerr messages in dmesg, and report it here. Thanks, Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Steven Le Roux Jabber-ID : ste...@jabber.fr 0x39494CCB ste...@le-roux.info 2FF7 226B 552E 4709 03F0 6281 72D7 A010 3949 4CCB ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New Open Hardware company
Exactly, As I've said before people do a dis service to values of openess by these point comparisons between iPhone and everything else. But if that comparison must be made then let the first bullet point be this: Open versus Closed. That said if the goal is to create an iPhone clone with Linux on board then I see these paths: 1. Convince Apple that Copyleft is the way to go for hardware and software. Good chance there. NANNY APPLE won't even let you put adult content on your phone. I spent the day two days ago with a really cool company that signed all apple agreements, developed some VERY COOL hardware to attach to the phone and Apple shut them down COLD.. after they originally told the company that they could develop the hardware. Why? the hardware would fuck with apple's roadmap. thank you Nanny Apple. 2. Build a Copyleft version of the Iphone from scratch. pass me 400Million and I'll get right on it! But you can't just build the iPhone, you have to build what apple will ship 18 months from now to be competitive. 3. Do an Anti vendor port. I support mickey 100% in his anti vendor ports. This is one way to get open software on closed platforms. HOWEVER, by the time the port is done the hardware is obsolete ( by iPhone standards) and more importantly, the hardware hackers are left out. That said I think Mickey's approach is one that people should support with their time and effort. It will bear fruit over time. 4. Take an existing design ( like NanoNote) and over time add capability to it. Start small and simple. Open the design from the start. Allow the hardware community to mod the hardware ( and copy back design improvements) and give the software community a stable but evolving platform to develop on. So. #1. I didn't want to waste my time trying to talk apple into destroying their business. #2. I didnt have 400 Million dollars. #3. Mickey is going down his path. That's one front in the war. Put your efforts behind him. #4. I can start down the long long path of planting a seed and helping it grow. The beginning of that Journey ( #4) happens to be a cool little linux in my pocket. We've been contacted by people who want to turn it into a twitter client or jabber client. Will we do that? I'm not sure. But since the hardware will be copyleft, if SOMEBODY wants to take the design and optimize it for SMS or email, then 1.) the community will have another device with Linux on it. 2) they won't be able to charge outrageous prices. 3 They'll have to copy back the design improvements. When they copy back designs then one can hope for network effects and the long journey gets some momentum. Many are missing the importance and the critical difference that Copyleft hardware brings. If you don't like the fact that nanonote doesnt have a touch screen then, take the design files add a touch screen, copy back the design. If you have money, then get that design built and sell it. Qi-hardware won't complain. Why? because the community will have more choice about what to buy. If somebody, for example, really really thinks that clamshell sucks, then there is a ready solution. take our design, modify and improve it, copy back the improvements, build the thing and let the market decide. In short, I think the only effective way I have of competing on the hardware side is by applying the principles of Copyleft. On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 2:27 AM, john jptmo...@gmail.com wrote: Actually one of the things I would like to do with a NanoNote is turn it into a dedicated Twitter client! I think opinion will always be divided on form factor. I have owned many devices from the Psion Series II through to the iPhone but I still like Zaurus clamshell designs. I also like the idea of a tiny Linux computer in my pocket or even on a key chain. I don't see the progression as trying to compete with the iPhone but to look at new areas such as hackable wearable computing. Thus I am interested in seeing things get smaller and cheaper and more hackable and not getting more shiny! John. 2009/7/24 Christoph Pulster openm...@pulster.de: [snip] Psion Plc. invent the clamshell and set the top-level of usable keyboard verses form-factor with Series 3 twenty years ago. We are in the SMS/twitter age now. Some vitual keyboard with multi-touch usability is sufficient. People who want to write full sentences buy a pencil with white paper. In general, what advantage does the NanoNote have to an Iphone with Linux installed ? Christoph ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org
Re: New Open Hardware company
Yes, that would be a great april fools joke. Vintage is very trendy http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-10021523-1.html hehe Werner, small keyboards, vi. It's an inside joke. Or rather a hat tip to a good man, great programmer, and founder of OM. On that note, it's not kosher to use this list to discuss OT things. We appreciate and welcome your thoughtful point of view. We've added your projects to our blogroll, so we should continue discussions there On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 11:41 PM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@computer.org wrote: Am 21.07.2009 um 22:52 schrieb steven mosher: Glad you noticed that Werner. When we went over the keyboard vi was on my mind. So next year on April 1st the company will be relaunched as vi- hardware :) Some corollary: vi = vi-ntage Real programmers do everything in vi (e.g. http://hulubei.net/tudor/humor/programmers.html ) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New Open Hardware company
Thanks for your kind words. On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 12:16 AM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra r...@1407.orgwrote: On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 08:47:47AM -0700, steven mosher wrote: A while back Wolfgang mentioned that he and I were starting a new venture.Drop by and say hello. http://www.qi-hardware.com/ Heh, it seems like I'm not in your target sets, but good luck in this venture! :) Rui -- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New Open Hardware company
no touch screen. I've got a post on features coming out tommorrow On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 11:01 PM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@computer.org wrote: One thing is not clear to me - does the NanoNote have a touchscreen (in addition to QWERTY) or not? Nikolaus Am 20.07.2009 um 17:47 schrieb steven mosher: A while back Wolfgang mentioned that he and I were starting a new venture.Drop by and say hello. http://www.qi-hardware.com/ Steve ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New Open Hardware company
On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 4:18 PM, GNUtoo gnu...@no-log.org wrote: On Mon, 2009-07-20 at 08:47 -0700, steven mosher wrote: It would be a great device...It has usb-2.0...wow(I hope it works fine...not like on my bug device( http://www.buglabs.net/ ) where most of the USB device I have work...but not my usb tv card) but...unfortunately it has 320x240 screen and only 32M of ram...ouch...I've a 320x240 screen on my bug device and it's so small...I have problem with some applications...and is not very comfortable to use. Are 32M of ram sufficient for a GUI like illume but without the FSO+SHR stack? But in another hand I saw that there are future devices in preparation...a bit like for GTA01 and freerunner Another problem would be the lack of wifi... We are investigating a microSD wifi card. The driver is GPL. We will let you all know the outcome But wait a second...it has microsd...it would makes a great ogg player... Yes it would. maybe it could do tv too(with USB 2.0 tv card) But I wonder how usable it is as a a general purpose computer By the way will the micro-sd be removable...what would be the costs and the size compared to the openpandora(If I ever buy one I won't use the 3d because it's proprietary,unmaintained(so old kernel) etc...) Yes the microSD is remove able. the size? check the product page on qi-hardware. the price? Depends on peoples reaction. $99 is not out of reach if we hit the right volumes, but for now plan on around $149. And what would be the battery life? Denis. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New Open Hardware company
opps forgot battery life. Michael shiloh has my unit. When I get some time I'll just test it. On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 11:57 PM, steven mosher mosherste...@gmail.comwrote: On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 4:18 PM, GNUtoo gnu...@no-log.org wrote: On Mon, 2009-07-20 at 08:47 -0700, steven mosher wrote: It would be a great device...It has usb-2.0...wow(I hope it works fine...not like on my bug device( http://www.buglabs.net/ ) where most of the USB device I have work...but not my usb tv card) but...unfortunately it has 320x240 screen and only 32M of ram...ouch...I've a 320x240 screen on my bug device and it's so small...I have problem with some applications...and is not very comfortable to use. Are 32M of ram sufficient for a GUI like illume but without the FSO+SHR stack? But in another hand I saw that there are future devices in preparation...a bit like for GTA01 and freerunner Another problem would be the lack of wifi... We are investigating a microSD wifi card. The driver is GPL. We will let you all know the outcome But wait a second...it has microsd...it would makes a great ogg player... Yes it would. maybe it could do tv too(with USB 2.0 tv card) But I wonder how usable it is as a a general purpose computer By the way will the micro-sd be removable...what would be the costs and the size compared to the openpandora(If I ever buy one I won't use the 3d because it's proprietary,unmaintained(so old kernel) etc...) Yes the microSD is remove able. the size? check the product page on qi-hardware. the price? Depends on peoples reaction. $99 is not out of reach if we hit the right volumes, but for now plan on around $149. And what would be the battery life? Denis. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New Open Hardware company
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 12:34 AM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@computer.org wrote: Ouch! So you need to connect a mouse that is larger than the device to position any scrollbars or press buttons? Or does it have a large enough trackpad somewhere? There is a 4 way key that can be used for up/down/right/left. etc . And an additional key for up and down. ( or vol+- ) Not sure where you got the mouse idea. What I wonder is how it will compare to this one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zipit_Wireless_Messenger_(Z2) and its community project - it appears also to be quite open - but not free(dom): http://linux.zipitwireless.com/ And it locks you into a service plan. Not much point in comparing apples and oranges. http://linux.zipitwireless.com/ Nikolaus Am 21.07.2009 um 08:47 schrieb steven mosher: no touch screen. I've got a post on features coming out tommorrow On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 11:01 PM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@computer.org wrote: One thing is not clear to me - does the NanoNote have a touchscreen (in addition to QWERTY) or not? Nikolaus Am 20.07.2009 um 17:47 schrieb steven mosher: A while back Wolfgang mentioned that he and I were starting a new venture.Drop by and say hello. http://www.qi-hardware.com/ Steve ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New Open Hardware company
inlined On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 2:08 AM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@computer.orgwrote: Am 21.07.2009 um 10:52 schrieb steven mosher: On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 12:34 AM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@computer.org wrote: Ouch! So you need to connect a mouse that is larger than the device to position any scrollbars or press buttons? Or does it have a large enough trackpad somewhere? There is a 4 way key that can be used for up/down/right/left. etc . And an additional key for up and down. ( or vol+- ) Not sure where you got the mouse idea. That is my own view (TM) what is needed to make it useable. useable as? Have you ever tried to operate a UI with the mouse-pointer paradigm through arrow keys? Yup. Size of the screen plays a role in this as does the application. So I expect that someone needs to write is a complete UI stack for arrow-key-only operation. Plus applications. No compatibility to most FOSS. Unless we restrict the Non-G-UI to commandline and ncurses. not so sure about that. I tend not to underestimate the creativity of software developers. What I wonder is how it will compare to this one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zipit_Wireless_Messenger_(Z2) and its community project - it appears also to be quite open - but not free(dom): http://linux.zipitwireless.com/ And it locks you into a service plan. Not much point in comparing apples and oranges. Hint: they have approx. 3 or 4 years experience with this device class and users of such devices. And they may have an (economic) reason to offer that with a service plan... Yes, of course. But I think it serves no useful purpose to compare devices that are sold on a different basis for different reasons. Service plans, as we all know, help to subsidize the hardware. So for example, I have to live with my ATT phone for 2 years before I can upgrade it. For me an unlocked feature phone is superior to locked smart phone. Why? because my principles put freedom ahead of technology. Let me put it another way.. What Qi hardware is about is changing the way design is done, just as you encouraged us to.. We start with the NanoNote and then we open that device, the hardware the schematics, the roadmap. So, in essence we are not just selling a device. Not merely putting linux on a device and calling it open. We too are selling a service. That service is open hardware and open roadmap. We are doing everything the community asked us to do while we were at OM. These are our important check boxes: GPL the code, open the schematics,upstream the kernel, Open the roadmap process. Those aren't product features, those are service guarantees. As members of the community when we start down the path of comparing closed devices to open devices and partially open devices to open devices we get our principles out of order. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New Open Hardware company
inlined On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 3:41 AM, Shaz shazal...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 9:47 PM, steven mosher mosherste...@gmail.comwrote: A while back Wolfgang mentioned that he and I were starting a new venture.Drop by and say hello. This is good news. Congrats and good luck. By the way how are you guys planning to go along with OpenMoko efforts? the OM project is now a community effort. I continue to devote my spare time to helping out those I can in ways I can. mostly that's trying to find employment for ex employees or create opportunities for them. Are the hardware efforts in parallel to openMoko community or OpenMoko community decided hardware will be taken care of by your company. Not sure I understand this. The only hw related project is GTA02 core. werner's project. The software stacks are the same as much as I can comprehend from the thread. No. The Qi hardware only comes with a kernel. http://www.qi-hardware.com/ Steve ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Shaz ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New Open Hardware company
Thanks christoph. Please feel free to sign up over on the developer list at qi and post comments there. Inlined repsonses. On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 5:44 AM, Christoph Pulster openm...@pulster.dewrote: Hi, my thoughts to Qi / NanoBook: Mistakes repeated from Openmoko times: 1. you believe too much in the community. Guilty. 2. you announce products which are not exitant for sales. The first version of the NanoNote will be available for sale this fall. The Design files were released in early July. I will have marketing samples in a couple of weeks. Then we can order the product and be ready for shipping in 45 days or so, provided that the kernel is in good shape. WRT the follow on products. It is our intention to announce roadmaps in the most open way we can imagine. So, if we collectively decide that a touchscreen would be nice to add, then that can be investigated. A second LCD on the top of the case to see incoming calls or msgs, that too. A different keyboard? more connectivity, of course. 3. you got no MPEG-patent licences. We don't need them. I'll take MPLA as an example. At a previous company I shipped hardware with Mpeg capability ( could do decode) but with no software. The software was sold separately. I did this with the full knowledge and consent of the patent holder. The situation is different for companies that have already violated a patent. 4. you dont aim VAR. We target developers, including VARS. New mistakes: 1. you base on old-fashioned hardware (Zaurus was state-of-the-art, a hugh community existed, although Sharp did not give attention to it at all) We had a choice between two challenges: A. Select existing proven hardware and work with the community to shape it into what we collectively want it to be following the principles of freedom B. Design something new from scratch. Having made mistake B before, now we choose mistake A. 2. you base on made in China (synonym for crap in Europe) Iphone is made in China. 3. the PDA clam-shell form factor is obsolete, there is no small AND useable physical keyboard It's funny. I spent about a month showing the device to people in San Francisco. Every one of them was an Iphone user ( ok one owned a blackberry ) Not a single one commented negatively about the clamshell. Most of them made comments about things I hadn't considered.. not having to worry about scratching screens, not having to buy a cover to prevent scratches, they liked the weight and feel, loved the size of the keyboard (hated their touch screen keyboard ). The keyboard is bigger and has more keys than my samsung phone keyboard which is perfectly useable.. not for writing novels of course. Anyways I continue to see clamshell designs in the marketplace, of one form or another. Some people prefer it. I have a touchscreen phone ( Android dev platform) hate the keyboard. a couple clamshell devices, my samsung slider, and a phone that has two keyboard that slide out. When I look at the mechanical design of these devices I think about wine cork pullers. Huh? Did you ever notice how many different design approaches there were to wine cork pullers? You have the kind that just corkscrew in. You got ones that slide two thin pieces of metal past the cork. You've got corkscrews kinds that also hold the bottle in place. bunches of designs! why? because no design is optimal even for the simple task of pulling out a cork, much less complicated tasks like driving or communicating or playing music or..And of course everyone wanted different colors because they could not see that black was optimal. hehe. Anyway I wish you best success with your effords, Steve, I really do. Thank you. Christoph, that means a lot to me. Christoph ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New Open Hardware company
Glad you noticed that Werner. When we went over the keyboard vi was on my mind. generally I tried to think of the things I could do with the device rather than the things one could not obviously do. On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 4:27 AM, Werner Almesberger wer...@openmoko.orgwrote: Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: most FOSS. Unless we restrict the Non-G-UI to commandline and ncurses. I noticed that is has an escape key. So vi will be fine. What else could one possibly wish for, except that more GUI designers would draw their inspiration from the grace and style of vi ? :-) Historical note: once I had Linux run on my Psion S5 and took it to a conference. The UI consisted of eight virtual consoles with a shell each, with whatever I chose to run there - typically a vi, so I could switch from taking notes on various topics just by changing consoles. Despite the device's many shortcomings, the system felt amazingly productive, almost on par with the HP-100LX. - Werner ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New Open Hardware company
hehe. glad somebody has a sense of humor. But seriously when I was kid made in japan meant crap, as a young adult made in taiwan meant crap ( there were some budding geniuses who felt Nvidia was DOOMED because they used TSMC ). To be sure if you do not control the quality at any manufacturing site you will get crap out. That's part of the reason why we decided to start with a device that had good quality. You can, as we have, scour china like marco polo, and return with silk. Or you can just buy from some guy in HK and get what your efforts deserve. On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 1:41 PM, Michal Brzozowski ruso...@poczta.fmwrote: 2009/7/21 steven mosher mosherste...@gmail.com 2. you base on made in China (synonym for crap in Europe) Iphone is made in China. Which confirms Christoph's point :-) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
New Open Hardware company
A while back Wolfgang mentioned that he and I were starting a new venture.Drop by and say hello. http://www.qi-hardware.com/ Steve ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New Open Hardware company
For the first device we wanted to be 100% sure that we had fully functioning hardware, so we left the ID alone, and just focused on a good keyboard layout ( given the keys we had) and getting linux to boot. If we start with that solid base and have a good engineering process then improving the device over time becomes a lot easier. On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 9:15 AM, Sam Kuper sam.ku...@uclmail.net wrote: 2009/7/20 steven mosher mosherste...@gmail.com A while back Wolfgang mentioned that he and I were starting a new venture. Drop by and say hello. http://www.qi-hardware.com/ Congratulations on the launch of Qi Hardware! First thoughts: the space bar looks a little small.[1] That's a very minor quibble, though :) I've signed up to the mailing list and I'm looking forward to seeing what transpires from QiH. All best, Sam [1]http://www.qi-hardware.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/ben-nanonote.png ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New Open Hardware company
For the NanoNote line of products we will stick with Clamshell. That doesn't mean otherproduct lines would be under the same restriction, but if it's a NanoNote, then it's a clamshell. On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 9:45 AM, john jptmo...@gmail.com wrote: Congrats! Kudos for going clamshell! John. 2009/7/20 steven mosher mosherste...@gmail.com: A while back Wolfgang mentioned that he and I were starting a new venture. Drop by and say hello. http://www.qi-hardware.com/ Steve ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New Open Hardware company
You can read more here http://linux.com/news/embedded-mobile/mids/29263-openmoko-layoffs-lead-to-new-open-hardware-venture On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 9:45 AM, john jptmo...@gmail.com wrote: Congrats! Kudos for going clamshell! John. 2009/7/20 steven mosher mosherste...@gmail.com: A while back Wolfgang mentioned that he and I were starting a new venture. Drop by and say hello. http://www.qi-hardware.com/ Steve ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Intone 0.60 Almost Stable ;-)
Not to be picky, but a second is a long time (in terms of button presses). I can easily see changing my mind within 1 second and wanting to pause the music again... I'm guessing the invalid event comes within a few milliseconds of the first, real event. Maybe 100 ms is enough of a wait? Thanks, -Steven On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 11:47 AM, c_ccchan...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi, Thanks for the testing. Will reject the second event for play/pause if it happens within a sec. Just need to think how best to implement this. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New Open Hardware company
thx. On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 5:51 AM, Kosa k...@piradio.org wrote: Congrats Steve! Kosa - Un mundo mejor es posible - steven mosher wrote: A while back Wolfgang mentioned that he and I were starting a new venture. Drop by and say hello. http://www.qi-hardware.com/ Steve ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New Open Hardware company
There are two reasons, one pragmatic the other strategic. On the practical side we selected a device that we could open. So, of all the devices we looked at that could serve as the basis of a good roadmap, the device that presented itself was mips based. On the strategic side the Mips architecture is gaining a lot of traction in China. That doesn't mean we become a mips house Steve On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 11:29 AM, Kiam Peng Wee wee.kiamp...@orangeknob.com wrote: is there any reason for using mips? KP On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 2:27 AM, steven moshermosherste...@gmail.com wrote: thx. On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 5:51 AM, Kosa k...@piradio.org wrote: Congrats Steve! Kosa - Un mundo mejor es posible - steven mosher wrote: A while back Wolfgang mentioned that he and I were starting a new venture. Drop by and say hello. http://www.qi-hardware.com/ Steve ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New Open Hardware company
Thanks for the comment. Perhaps you should repost it over on the blogs so everyone can benefit. See below. On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 11:44 AM, Laszlo KREKACS laszlo.krekacs.l...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 5:47 PM, steven moshermosherste...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.qi-hardware.com/ Sorry for being ignorant, but who are the target group? For the initial device the target audience is developers. Period. Going forward the roadmap will be shaped by the community. In the Open. I, for myself would not buy a device like this. It resembles like the old manager calculator... (my mom had one like 15 years ago or so) That's fine. The difference is you probably couldn't turn that old calculator into a picture viewer, or offline wikipedia device, or notepad, or music player, or plug in a Wifi adapter or have a say in the roadmap. But physically, yes, it looks like one of those. Don't judge a book they say. It looks to me you are completely ignoring the world trend: More functions concentrate into less devices. People dont like to carry many things with them... A couple points: All all times during the evolution of devices you see two trends: one trend toward the all in wonder and another trend toward appliances. MP3 is my favorite example. being there at the start we faced the same argument with one set of people ( in design) arguing that the PC was going to be the center of convergence. Another set saying the phone was going to be the center. A third set saying the game console would be the center. Another set arguing the palm pilot would be the center. In the midst of this was another group. We thought that a device dedicated to music would get traction. And a device dedicated to video etc etc. At one point ( long before the flip camera) we argued for a dedicated simple device for video recording. The point is there are always two movements: one movement toward integration ( swiss army knives) and another movement toward specialized devices. All that said, our road aims at enabling the type device you are talking about. Over time we will add more capability to the device. But we will start with something that WORKS and improve on that. Adding capability in a well disciplined manner so that developers don't have to struggle with hardware that is dodgy. So what would be used for this device? A dictionary? An ebook? (too small display) A calendar? The device we adopted ( and opened) had the following proprietary software on it. 1. games 2. MP3 player 3. Audio recording 4. Video (Mp4) player 5. Dictionaries 6. Photo viewer. 7. Notepad. 8. calculator. We have no intention of creating our own software to go on this device. The Community has plenty of applications it can put on the device. Or you could target putting open content ( like wikitravel or wikidictionary etc ) on the device. If it is used for something specific, who will develop the (specific) software for it? See above. I dont want to ruin the party, but looks to me you are ignoring the basics. I like to think we are embracing the basics. If we want to get to a device that has all the features you want, what is the best way to get there? If I told you that the first device we would build was going to have wifi and gps and touchscreen, and bluetooth, and 3G and 3D graphics and replace your iphone, you'd rightly throw the bullshit flag. Instead, we start with the basics. A device that works. From that foundation we can move forward and build more complex things. You can be a part of that, contribute thoughts, make critical comments, shape the future. Laszlo ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New Open Hardware company
Done. Drop mirko a line at mi...@qi-hardware.com and he will add you to the blog roll. On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 11:52 AM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@computer.org wrote: Ah, you are using MIPS? Yes, digging around shows an Ingenic JZ4720. That is great since we already offer a low-cost Linux-Mini-Notebook (7'' screen, QWERTY WLAN) which uses the bigger brother JZ4730. We have Debian running on it and it is called Letux 400. And there is a small but nice community around such devices: http://projects.kwaak.net/twiki/bin/view/Epc700/WebHome http://lists.linuxtogo.org/pipermail/mipsbook-devel/ Nils has mostly completed a 2.6 kernel with Angstrom. So let me invite qi-hardware to support our project, Nikolaus Am 20.07.2009 um 20:29 schrieb Kiam Peng Wee: is there any reason for using mips? KP Mobile Office Solutions by Golden Delicious Computers GmbHCo. KG Buchenstr. 3 D-82041 Oberhaching +49-89-54290367 http://www.handheld-linux.com AG München, HRA 89571 VAT DE253626266 Komplementär: Golden Delicious Computers Verwaltungs GmbH Oberhaching, AG München, HRB 16602 Geschäftsführer: Dr. Nikolaus Schaller Digital Tools for Independent People ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: ZimReader for Openmoko
cool. I wonder if that will work on the NanoNote? www.qi-hardware.com Sign up as developer, when device come it I'll look into getting you an early unit. Steve On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 11:10 AM, Marc Bantle openm...@rcie.de wrote: Hi all! Since an offline encyclopedia is most valuable on mobile devices, I worked on building ZimReader for the Openmoko Neo. As a start I did a native build on a Debian (hackable:1 [3]) driven Openmoko Freerunner. After fixing some minor build issue ([1], [2]), I can now browse Wikipedia offline on the phone. ZimReader performs amazingly well on the limited resources of the device. I use it in conjunction with woosh, a browser that comes with hackable:1. The content resides on SD-card. A full-text search takes around 5s, mostly even less. Since I'm not too much into packaging, I wrapped up a tar ball for those interested in binaries [4]. Please see the Readme for installation instructions. Note: The binaries will most likely _not_ run on OE-based distributions (OM2009, SHR). They have only been tested on hackable1. I'll try to supply packages for other distros, as soon as I find the time. Thank's a lot to the openzim team for their great work! Cheers, Marc [1] http://bugs.openzim.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6 [2] http://bugs.openzim.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5 [3] http://www.hackable1.org/wiki/Main_Page [4] http://www.gut-informierte-kreise.de/openmoko/openzim/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New Open Hardware company
That's cool. It's kinda funny every female I have showed the device to wants one. And they alreadyown Iphones and blackberry's. perfect for my purse! weird I didnt expect that. One's learning PHP .. it would be her Personal Hack Pad. hehe. On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 12:51 PM, Sebastian Krzyszkowiak seba.d...@gmail.com wrote: On 7/20/09, David Ford da...@blue-labs.org wrote: any general price range and is the usb port OTG for both client host? Question++ I'm interested in programming *on* something like that, and my girlfriend is interested in learning programming when she see what I'm doing on my Freerunner ;) Keyboard seems to be ok for programming, so i'm generally interested. Cheers, dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New Open Hardware company
On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 1:07 PM, Warren Baird wjba...@alumni.uwaterloo.cawrote: Hi Steve, Congratulations! Sounds like a very interesting project. The geek in me is say - W00t - when can I get one! Yup. same reaction of every geek I've showed it to. Unfortunately, the product manager in me is sounding a bit more like Laszlo: raising questions like: What's the business model - The business model. basically this question is how do you monetize your activity and the answer is we make money by selling hardware that hardware will come with a linux kernel. are you targeting end-users, Directly we target developers, yes. The numbers we need are very modest. More modest than the number of freerunners for example. or are you trying to convince someone to OEM the design, I don't rule this out. At OM for example I had many requests for small changes to FR that we could not execut on. VARs as well. customize it and market it to end-users? Yes, that's an option as well. But not required in the basic business case. Personally I kinda hope you are targeting OEMs, although I don't see much of a mention of that on the website so far.If you are targeting end-users, it seems to me that you are falling into the same trap that OpenMoko did - building some cool hardware, and assuming that the software side will eventually happen. The trap was a bit more complicated than that. At OM we tried to do: 1. hardware design. 2. Our own distro. 3. Our own special applications ( diversity) 4. Promote particular toolkits I'll blog more about this at Qi, but this much was clear. There was and is plenty of good open source software. The difficulties in bring this to FR are detailed all to well here. So, basically we think that we should start by shipping stable hardware and good kernels. If we as a community cannot bring good end user apps to a solid foundation, then we will figure out what other barriers need to be brought down. If however you have one or more visionary OEMs who will take your tech and build a compelling solution around it, that could be very interesting. I really believe that a device like this needs to have a seamless, well integrated hardware and software stack to be successful. Yes, when we look at that problem we see two ways of solving it. 1. Trying to do everything ourselves-- hardware and software. 2. Focusing on key software partners. At OM, for example, the question should have been: do OM2009? or focus on SHR ( for example ) For example, a device that a project manager inspecting a construction site could take with them and use to record the results of a site inspection could be very intersting.I'm not sure that the nano-note is the right form-factor for that, but something similar might work. My day job involves creating software for visual collaboration used across a wide range of industries - if you want to chat more about that, send me an email off list... Just contact me through the developer list over at qi-hardware Warren On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 11:47 AM, steven mosher mosherste...@gmail.comwrote: A while back Wolfgang mentioned that he and I were starting a new venture.Drop by and say hello. http://www.qi-hardware.com/ Steve ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Warren Baird - Photographer and Digital Artist http://www.synergisticimages.ca ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New Open Hardware company
Thanks Werner, Your project is a great inspiration for us. A lot of people just want to walk away from the dream of a truly open phone or just mouth platitudes about turning things over to the community. You actually picked up the ball and got in the game. Your project is on the blog roll and I'll blog about it in the near future.. or invite you to blog Steve On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 1:47 PM, Werner Almesberger wer...@openmoko.orgwrote: steven mosher wrote: A while back Wolfgang mentioned that he and I were starting a new venture.Drop by and say hello. And so it has begun ... congratulations and good luck ! May the source be with you :-) - Werner ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: ZimReader for Openmoko
Perfect. Make sure you join up at qi. I'll have mirko contact the guys at openzim.org Steve On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 2:32 PM, Marc Bantle openm...@rcie.de wrote: Hi Steve, steven mosher schrieb: cool. I wonder if that will work on the NanoNote? You'll never know, but I'm quite positive ;-) www.qi-hardware.com http://www.qi-hardware.com Sign up as developer, when device come it I'll look into getting you an early unit. The credit goes to the guys from openzim.org. They did the real work. Maybe you've got some extra units for them. It'll be a pleasure to be part of your project :-) Cheers, Marc ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New Open Hardware company
Hi, Go ahead and report at qi-hardware, so I can share the answers with others. On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 3:53 PM, Rafael Campos meth...@gmail.com wrote: Nice geek gadget!! (i also would like to have one) Do you have protypes and a working kernel? I could not stop my internal engieering questions!! ;) The device has been shipping for a while. What we have done is take that existing device, re layout the keyboard and start the process of getting a kernel up and working on it. The kernel is up and working and now comes the task of stabilizing it before shipping. My mainly question, rather that what is the target audience, what do you have in mind when you design the NanoNote? Some Assistant? We selected the device as a good point to start a roadmap. That is, it is just the beginning. A good place to start.. cpu, color screen, keyboard, storage. Going forward we work with the community to make that roadmap into a reality. One important thing is that it has USB 2.0, and doesn't have the glamo:) No glamo. check the website for a more in depth discussion of USB and SDIO Another important thing is MIPS!!! I only remember to develop some sw in MIPS at University in one assembler simulator (a MIPSR2000/3000). Other architecture to learn!! ;) Regards -- ___ Rafael Campos o0 Methril 0o http://openblog.methril.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: good bye google code
On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 10:35 PM, mqy meng.qing...@gmail.com wrote: you can't do the smalles things w/o having a google account -- not even contact authors of google code projects, let alone reporting bugs. I like google search, but google lives a bad life in my country. This is not due to Google... it's a china problem... Ask your government to not put many filtering equipments and routers, and latency will be better :) I dislike the feature of google code: it increases SVN revision number whenever you edit a wiki page! -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/good-bye-google-code-tp3277602p3277649.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Steven Le Roux Jabber-ID : ste...@jabber.fr 0x39494CCB ste...@le-roux.info 2FF7 226B 552E 4709 03F0 6281 72D7 A010 3949 4CCB ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner Chat Application: Suggestions wanted!
On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 11:58 AM, Sebastian Krzyszkowiak seba.d...@gmail.com wrote: On 7/16/09, Alex Teiche xelap...@gmail.com wrote: Hello everyone, I recently recieved my A6 FreeRunner, and have been looking for some coding to do:) I plan on writing a chat application(similar to Pidgin) optomized for the small screen. I was wondering what suggestions the community had before I get too far into it. What UI elements do you recommend I keep out front/put back in menus to save space? Which protocols have the highest demand for implementation? How should it deal with multiple concurrent chat sessions? How should the user be notified when a new chat message is recieved? Should logging be implemented? Any other ideas/suggestions? We all have our own opinions on these issues, so I just wanted a sense of what the greater community thought. ~xelapond Please use elementary and telepathy, with priority on Jabber/XMPP. That's all of my requirements :) Same here :) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Steven Le Roux Jabber-ID : ste...@jabber.fr 0x39494CCB ste...@le-roux.info 2FF7 226B 552E 4709 03F0 6281 72D7 A010 3949 4CCB ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: The University of São Paulo's intent to join Op enmoko development
When demonstrating the phone SHR was always my distro of choice.. On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 10:47 AM, Sebastian Krzyszkowiak seba.d...@gmail.com wrote: On 7/16/09, Warren Baird wjba...@alumni.uwaterloo.ca wrote: I hope you are are right that eventually the software will be in better shape than the hardware. I must admit that in my less optimistic moments, I wonder about that. The progress towards a stable, easily usable distro for the FR has been slow. I must disagree. SHR is progressing really fast, almost every day there is work on it or FSO, which SHR uses. There are also many initiatives unvisible from normal user's point of view, but development moves forward very quickly. There will be soon opimd integration, SHR Installer, and few other things. And after that - UI dbusification will allow everyone to make use of phone apps in his own scripts, which can bring UI consistense really easly. I feel that *now* FR software is much better than every time before. And it seems it still will be enhanced, just give it some time ;) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR-U] Bluetooth and GSM... Again.
On Tuesday 14 July 2009 12:28:47 The Digital Pioneer wrote: Confirming again, I have my headset working perfectly after uncommenting the line Paul mentioned and rebooting. :D After following the latest instructions in the wiki, rebooting the phone and restarting my headset, I got it working with my Jabra bt3030. Anyway, my thanks Paul and the others who made it work. Now I just need to figure out how to get the AVRCP bits working so I can use the controls on the bt3030 to answer/hangup... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: The University of São Paulo's intent to join Op enmoko development
Thanks maddog for staying on this over the past month or so. I really appreciatethe effort and I know the rest of the community does as well. As you know I'm unwilling to give up on the dream of the Freerunner and the dream of community driven hardware in general. I know Werner and his group, the GTA02 core team, is dedicated as well to this dream. Let me know how I can help. Steve On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 9:03 PM, Jon 'maddog' Hall mad...@li.org wrote: Dear Openmoko Community, In light of the refocusing of Sean's company on consumer items, there has been a perceived vacuum created in the Openmoko community's efforts to create next-generation open cellular smart phones. I happened to be working with Dr. Marcelo Zuffo, a full professor and the head of the Laboratory for Integrated Systems at the University of São Paulo, Brazil, on an unrelated project. I asked Dr. Zuffo if the university would be willing to join the Openmoko community and to provide critical resources to the task at hand. I subsequently have met with Dr. Zuffo several times on this matter, have seen his facilities (which include a very modern and state-of-the-art SMT line) and have discussed the goals of the community to design and prototype a completely open design for a cellular phone. Dr. Zuffo and the university understand your issues, understand free and open source software and hardware and are willing to assist the community with this project. I might add that the university can bring several new capabilities to the community: First of all, Dr. Zuffo has discussed the Openmoko project with the Minister of Telecommunications of Brazil, and the Minister is very enthusiastic about the concept. Having the support of the government of the twelfth largest economy behind the project might really help us with various negotiations with vendors. Secondly the University has been working on several aspects of telecommunications for a long time, and therefore has expertise in telephonic security and codecs (among other things) that could be of use to the Openmoko community. Third, the university has the ability and expertise to design new integrated circuits. Recently they designed a a range of analog-digital chips. Therefore the possibility of developing, manufacturing and freely licensing new chips to help reduce the cost of the phone is possible. Forth, while the facilities I mentioned are capable of producing up to 10,000 units at the rate of one circuit board every 30 seconds, the purpose of the facilities is research, developing and support projects that can lead innovation, the lab's charter does not allow them to manufacture more units then the 10,000 because that would be commercial production. Therefore the university has a goal of freely licensing the design to companies for manufacture. Fifth, the university would be happy to host the mailing lists and forums of the Openmoko project. If some of the software projects need hosting and can not find hosting services other places, the university will consider acting as a primary hosting facility for these projects. Sixth, personally I would like to see this concept extended, of inviting more universities and their facilities to help with this project world-wide. I hope that the leadership of the University of Sao Paulo will help create the structure and inspiration for this to happen. Finally, the university has a non-profit legal entity, LSITEC, which can easily do the type of paperwork that Sean's company did (NDAs, certification) so the community can leverage off that. I know that there will be a lot of questions and considerations to take before the community is comfortable with this relationship. Dr. Zuffo has asked that I help coordinate the joining together of the university with the community, and in the interest of seeing Openmoko continue to do the fine work started by Sean and all of you, I will be glad to help in this capacity. I am monitoring the community mailing list, and people are also welcome to email me directly (mad...@li.org) with questions that you do not (for any reason) wish to post to the list. Dr. Zuffo's letter of intent is below. Warmest regards, Jon maddog Hall President, Linux International CTO of Koolu, Inc. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New case (was Re: Freerunner's Future)
Werner has the ability to embed the debug board on board On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 7:56 PM, Jianming.Liu liuj...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I have posted the symbols and schematic of the debug board v3 in the list of GTA02-Core, and I think that could be a part of the GTA02-Core, or we could start a new debug board project? Thank you. Werner Almesberger wrote: [ Let's give threads that change direction a clearer name than just Freerunner's Future ] Fabian Sch?lzel wrote: I'm not an engineer, but a draftsman, so I could also help with the mechanical design and modeling of the case and other things related to the project. Great ! I think redoing the GTA02 case should be a project on its own, independent from gta02-core or such. There are no technical dependencies anyway - gta02-core will fit into any GTA02 case and a new GTA02 case can host any GTA02 board. Two considerations: I think just making a case equivalent to the existing one would be an interesting enough task on its own, without adding any changes that aren't motivated by feasibility (machinability, etc.) alone. Ideally, someone who's already experienced the whole process from design to prototype production getting done would take care of coordinating that project. - Werner ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Freerunner%27s-Future-tp3012885p3186744.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Why vala? Was - Re: ffalarms 0.2.3 Vala/libeflvala/Elementary rewrite
I actually work in C with all the crazy function pointers and what-not every day. So, that's sort of how my brain works these days. I looked at some Vala samples and was like Wait a minute, are these classes or something? I haven't seen stuff like this since college!. ;-) -Steven On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 1:22 PM, Michael 'Mickey' Lauermic...@vanille-media.de wrote: Anf if you're still not convinced, read some C/GLib/Gobject source code and then some Vala source code. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FreeRunner A6 Sale
I don't want to hurt OM's sales, but why not buy directly from SDG Systems? http://sdgsystems.com/estore/cart.php?target=productproduct_id=269category_id=17 It seems they are selling the A6 version with the buzz fix pre-installed. -Steven On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 12:41 PM, Jason Selfjason.s...@gmail.com wrote: I've been holding off on buying a FreeRunner until until it seemed sufficiently problem-free to me. $250 is a very appealing price. I just wanted to confirm my understanding that the only difference between A6 and A7 is that a) the buzz fix is applied and b) it has a newer GSM firmware (which I can flash myself anyway, so not a big deal.) If my understanding is correct, then it sounds like a great deal, especially if I'm able to ship it to SDG Systems for them to apply fhe fix for me. http://sdgsystems.com/estore/cart.php?target=productproduct_id=269category_id=17 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Why vala? Was - Re: ffalarms 0.2.3 Vala/libeflvala/Elementary rewrite
I've seen several developers talking about porting things to vala. I'm not really familiar with this language. What is the point? Why would you spend the effort rewriting an app that already works into another language when the result is identical to the original? Is vala really that much easier to program in that C? Łukasz, was it worth all that time to rewrite ffalarms (which is a great app)? Just wondering if I should be paying more attention to this vala stuff... -Steven 2009/6/28 Łukasz Pankowski lukp...@o2.pl: Hi I have just released ffalarms 0.2.3. Features: - rewritten using Vala/libeflvala/Elementary (same features as 0.2.2) [...] Rewrite in Vala took much of my available time. I hope to add recursive alarms, but you know well my time limited, slow rate of development :). ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: openmoko accessories
I'm with Chris on this one. I'd like a car cradle. While I thought EUR 29 was expensive, I finally decided I wanted it enough to buy it. Until I saw that it'd cost another EUR 30 to ship it to me! I'm not paying $83 for a car cradle. Even with 19% discount (which I'm betting only applies to the item, not shipping), it'd be about $76. That's crazy. Are there really no distributors selling Freerunner accessories in the US? Or any that have reasonable shipping rates (ie rates that don't double the cost of the accessory)? -Steven On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 6:11 AM, Adam Jimersonvend...@gmail.com wrote: On Saturday 27 June 2009 04:44:00 am Christoph Pulster wrote: I am looking for where I can buy accessories for my FreeRunner in US I stock 17 different accessories for the Freerunner. Based in Germany, but we ship worldwide for 30 EUR flat rate. Customers outside EU Europe get 19% VAT reduction on all shop prices: http://www.pulster.eu Chris ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community That would be perfect, but the reason I am trying to avoid shipping from a different country because I am recently unemployed and don't really have that much I can spend on a case for a phone so unless the 19% VAT reduction is enough to make up for that I don't think I should. Thanks for letting me know that you have them in stock though. -- We must plan for freedom, and not only for security, if for no other reason than only freedom can make security more secure. Karl Popper ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: input method : dasher
If you use Debian on your Neo, a dasher package is available. It works, but the animations are unbearably slow. I don't know if there are options compiled in that we don't need. There are surely some optimizations that can be done... Several of the command line options failed as well. I believe one of the ones that doesn't work is the one that would make dasher usable as a keyboard on the Neo. The default start mode opens dasher as a sort of text editor. So, the characters you type go into a text field instead of whatever app you want to type in... I think there is an option that would make it act more like a regular keyboard, sending key events. -Steven On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 7:55 AM, swap38swa...@openmoko-fr.org wrote: Hi, At the end of this article [1], there's a comment about Dasher [2]. It's a strange but simple funny input method that can be very fast (39 words per minute). Dasher support numerous languages and the source code is open. A version for mobile device (ARMv4 / Windows Mobile) is in developed by Glen Femandes. Do you think Dasher can be useful for the Neo Freerunner ? [1] http://lwn.net/Articles/336787/ [2] http://www.inference.phy.cam.ac.uk/dasher/ -- swap38 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Om2009 testing release 5
On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 9:22 AM, Jose Luis Perez Diez perezd...@gmail.comwrote: El Thursday, 18 de June de 2009 22:52:30 Steven Le Roux va escriure: Another feedback : After a while, receiving a call make paroli buging , the phone is vibrating endless. (infinite loop ?) I can't stop it, and have to put the battery off. It happens after a suspend. with any contact. It's just that I can say for the moment... sorry keeping the search... I did this same test this morning with the same results but I keept it vibrating until I arrived at work to copy /var/log/* and the output of logread to a pc. I stoped the buzz calling reboot from ssh ;( If you have ssh access you can stop it with : echo none /sys/class/leds/neo1973:vibrator/trigger I will try to reproduce it with a plain testing release 5. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Steven Le Roux Jabber-ID : ste...@jabber.fr 0x39494CCB ste...@le-roux.info 2FF7 226B 552E 4709 03F0 6281 72D7 A010 3949 4CCB ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Om2009 testing release 5
Another feedback : After a while, receiving a call make paroli buging , the phone is vibrating endless. (infinite loop ?) I can't stop it, and have to put the battery off. It happens after a suspend. with any contact. It's just that I can say for the moment... sorry keeping the search... -- Steven Le Roux Jabber-ID : ste...@jabber.fr 0x39494CCB ste...@le-roux.info 2FF7 226B 552E 4709 03F0 6281 72D7 A010 3949 4CCB ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Om2009 testing release 5
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 8:12 AM, Risto H. Kurppa ri...@kurppa.fi wrote: Hi all , Just flash to help testing :) I really love paroli ! Better each release appearing :) Awesome! I found the same issue than Michal, not a real problem, but it's hard to scroll without clicking. Could you specify on what views (or all?) is this? for the people view, it's ok, scrolling nicely without clicking, but in the settings menu, I put my finger on item A, then scroll up/down, when I release it, the item A is automatically clicked. BTW, with testing release 4 you could return into illume by changing the profile, but now I change profile to illume without any effect... is it still possible ? How to access to apps ? INteresting.. It should be no problem to change to illume or paroli-serenity theme.. I have no idea what's this about.. Accually it was a first shot problem, after reboot, no pb selecting paroli-serenity (which look great to me !) Maybe a button to put paroli in fullscreen mode would be more useful than changing the profile ? r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Steven Le Roux Jabber-ID : ste...@jabber.fr 0x39494CCB ste...@le-roux.info 2FF7 226B 552E 4709 03F0 6281 72D7 A010 3949 4CCB ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Om2009 testing release 5
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 12:21 AM, Risto H. Kurppa ri...@kurppa.fi wrote: On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 12:25 AM, Michal Brzozowskiruso...@poczta.fm wrote: I found two problems so far. 1. When waking up from suspend while in horizontal mode, there is garbage on the screen and it's unusable. Can you take a photo to show it? 2. It's impossible to scroll in paroli, it's too sensitive and you always end up pressing a button What screen? Settings might still have some issues but the other should have it working pretty well.. 3. Paroli doesn't support horizontal mode too well. That's be the third problem, you only promised two :) But yes, it's true that when it's been designed, the horizontal mode has not been kept in mind (actually I think ~no one has tested it before you..). So possibly some work will be done there in the future.. Other than that it's pretty stable, good job! I agree :) Hi all , Just flash to help testing :) I really love paroli ! Better each release appearing :) I found the same issue than Michal, not a real problem, but it's hard to scroll without clicking. not a big deal anyway... BTW, with testing release 4 you could return into illume by changing the profile, but now I change profile to illume without any effect... is it still possible ? How to access to apps ? congrats for the great work :) r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Steven Le Roux Jabber-ID : ste...@jabber.fr 0x39494CCB ste...@le-roux.info 2FF7 226B 552E 4709 03F0 6281 72D7 A010 3949 4CCB ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Dash bought by RIM
So what is going to happen to project B :) On Sat, Jun 13, 2009 at 5:22 PM, Gerald A geraldabli...@gmail.com wrote: Here's a bit of news from a one-time collaborator of Openmoko: http://www.itworldcanada.com/a/Daily-News/647d02c5-15ce-4d87-9654-0b9a026771a9.html Dash bought by RIM I'm not sure if there is any communication between OM and Dash anymore, so can't really say if there is any impact to OM from this. I thought some community members might be interested though. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Steven Le Roux Jabber-ID : ste...@jabber.fr 0x39494CCB ste...@le-roux.info 2FF7 226B 552E 4709 03F0 6281 72D7 A010 3949 4CCB ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] create opkg-packages
I created an ipk by hand the other day (as there was no OE recipe). So, it is possible. Firstly, an ipk is created using ar, not tar. The ipk contains control.tar.gz and data.tar.gz (created using tar -czf). Extract a working ipk to see what goes in these tar.gz's. The ipk will not work unless the top-level contents of the two tar.gz's is the . directory. Call tar from the command line with ./whatever to get tar to put everything under a . directory. -Steven On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 11:31 AM, Vinzenz Herschehers...@puzzle.ch wrote: hello there, i want to create a opkg-package, but i didn't found ipkg-utils on shr, also not on ubuntu. so i tried to create this otherwhise, with the same structure, but if i look into another opk-package, the files in the tar.gz control are childfolders of ., mine isn't (folder . does already exist) and if i save the top-archive as .deb-file, it seems to work, but if i renamed it to ipk/opk, it doesn't work (with ark). the other packages does work normal with ark. so where i became the ipkg-utils? ftp-server with the files seems also to be down :/ greets ps: just by the way, if someone knows this; is there any library with e-mail- support for vala? :) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [OM2009] Couple of troubles
On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 12:17 PM, ivanshirok...@gmail.com ivanshirok...@gmail.com wrote: Hello. Yesterday I've flashed new testing image of OM2009. Must say it works pretty good. ... 2) I've set alternative rendering method in illume (in advanced setup options) and now it crashes on load. Can I fix it without reflashing FS? I experienced the same ;) I am a e17 user on my desktop so I know you can change your engine with : enlightenment_remote -engine-set OPT where OPT can be SOFTWARE or XRENDER. (maybe SAFTWARE16 too on FR... you can know it with -engine-list ) my pb is I don't have networking with om2009 yet :) s I can't set it up :) -- Steven Le Roux Jabber-ID : ste...@jabber.fr 0x39494CCB ste...@le-roux.info 2FF7 226B 552E 4709 03F0 6281 72D7 A010 3949 4CCB ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Launcher/Home Page (alpha) Release 0.22
The command Launcher pulls from the desktop file seems to have a character limit that is too short. I'm guessing you use 45 characters. That's not necessarily enough... I finally figured out that was why one of my apps wasn't launching: Because I had used a bunch of parameters and the launch was erroring out because Launcher was dropping part of one of my parameters. -Steven ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Launcher/Home Page (alpha) Release 0.22
On SHR-Testing (from May 2nd image), I get the following error with this version (after creating all the needed symlinks to get the launcher to actually start): launcher: symbol lookup error: launcher: undefined symbol: elm_scroller_bounce_set Do I have a different/wrong version of elementary? Obviously somethings not quite right since I had to symlink a bunch of libe* files to include svn in their names. -Steven On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 11:00 PM, c_ccchan...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi, Cameron Frazier wrote: in c (derived from [1], look at the bottom): elm_scroller_bounce_set(self.obj, h_bounce, v_bounce) Thanks. That helped. I needed to update my elementary libs on the laptop too. So here's the latest version - without the bouncing - and yes it's a lot simpler to use. http://n2.nabble.com/file/n3034171/launcher_0.22_arm.ipk launcher_0.22_arm.ipk -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Launcher-Home-Page-%28alpha%29-Release-0.21-tp2969146p3034171.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Next cofundus OM competition idea
I would like a BT app (that works with FSO based distros). A GUI that allows you to find a headset and pair with it (preferably supporting A2DP), that allows you to send an receive files (I believe this is OBEX), etc. This is the feature I am currently missing most. -Steven On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 9:23 AM, rakshat hooja raks...@gmail.com wrote: My idea is to have a large nummber of stable and interesting apps avaialble when stable telephony arrives on the FR. So I am looking at smaller projects - those that can be done in a month by one person. Rakshat ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Next cofundus OM competition idea
On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 1:13 PM, rakshat hooja raks...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 11:39 PM, Steven ** montgoss+openmokocommun...@gmail.com , that allows you to send an receive files (I believe this is OBEX), etc. This is the feature I am currently missing most. -Steven Does copyu work for you to send files? Rakshat I don't know what that is. But I know it's not installed on my Neo. -Steven ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: ffalarms 0.2.1 and atd-over-fso (now works on SHR-testing)
2009/4/27 Łukasz Pankowski lukp...@o2.pl: Currently it increases the volume +1 each second, I may make the time between increases configurable in config file if you insist that fixing point 2. (see below) is not enough for you. I decoded the python file and figured out where to change that. I originally set it to increase by 3 each step. But then I decided starting at a louder volume fit my use-case better. Until the volume gets above 200, I can't really hear it in my bedroom (lots of ambient noise from fans). I don't think it would too difficult to make these options in the config file (I see you have a few already). Maybe some people would rather it be configurable in the GUI, but I'm fine with the config file approach. 2. Make ffalarms prevent suspend for a time, maybe 5 minutes. (Note that it would be REALLY bad to prevent suspend indefinitely, as I might forget I set an alarm and walk away from the phone, only to come back hours later to an empty battery) I will try to fix the suspend issue this weekend (time is scarce) that is avoid suspending until you stop the alarm. Thanks. I'll gladly beta test any ipks you send me. :-) -Steven ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: ffalarms 0.2.1 and atd-over-fso (now works on SHR-testing)
A well written app that works quite well under latest SHR-testing (installed via opkg directly from SHR feeds). One area I think needs improvement ASAP: my Freerunner suspends (thus silencing the alarm) before the alarm gets loud enough to really wake me up. SHR goes back to suspended after about 1 minute even if ffalarms is playing the alarm. There are two things that would help this: 1. Make the loudness increase by more with each step. Ideally this would be configurable. 2. Make ffalarms prevent suspend for a time, maybe 5 minutes. (Note that it would be REALLY bad to prevent suspend indefinitely, as I might forget I set an alarm and walk away from the phone, only to come back hours later to an empty battery) Overall, it looks very good. I'll give it a test tonight/tomorrow morning. ;-) -Steven 2009/3/27 Łukasz Pankowski lukp...@o2.pl: Hello I am the author of Finger friendly alarms [1]. Which I developed for Om 2008.12 up to version 0.2. I am happy to announce version 0.2.1 of ffalarms which adds support for SHR (tested on SHR testing) -- for this I ported atd to work on top of FSO Framework Time API (called atd-over-fso available from ffalarms download page [2]). Version 0.2 also fixes Daylight Saving Time problem and adds several minor improvements, see [3] for installation instructions and detailed changes and [2] for downloads. Please report any problems or possible improvements (those may take long time to come :)). [1] http://ffalarms.projects.openmoko.org/ [2] http://projects.openmoko.org/frs/?group_id=260 [3] http://projects.openmoko.org/frs/shownotes.php?release_id=488 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR-Testing] Enlightment SIGKILL'd
On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 9:05 PM, Philippe Lhardy philippelha...@chez.com wrote: Hi, I try to install latest shr-testing image got at http://build.shr-project.org/shr-testing/images/om-gta02/openmoko-shr-image-glibc-ipk--20090416-om-gta02.rootfs.tar.gz i untar the content on a ext2 ( tested a ext3) too and boot with Qi on it, this is on a usdcard on the 3rd partition ( 2nd is android that was booting until i put noboot option ). i put rootdelay=5 on /boot/append since it is on ucard It just boot and start Xglamo but a white windows come up with enligthment SIGKILL'd and i can retry many times it doesn't come up. ssh usbnet conenctivty is working and if i launch enlightment_strat by hand it complains BUS_ERROR r...@om-gta02 ~ $ Xglamo r...@om-gta02 ~ $ (II) verbosity set to 5 Using GLAMO 3362 card (II) Screen: 16/16 depth/bpp (II) vram size:4194304, onscreen vram size:614400, offscreen vram size:3579904 (II) initialising offscreen pixmaps Extended Input Devices not yet supported. Impelement it at line 647 in kinput.c r...@om-gta02 ~ $ r...@om-gta02 ~ $ enlightenment_start E - PID=2209, do_precache=0 ESTART: 0.00041 [0.00041] - begin ESTART: 0.01203 [0.01163] - signals done ESTART: 0.02210 [0.01007] - determine prefix e_prefix_determine() DYNAMIC DETERMINED PREFIX: /usr ESTART: 0.05705 [0.03495] - prefix done ESTART: 0.06641 [0.00936] - eina init ESTART: 0.11270 [0.04629] - intl init ESTART: 0.12229 [0.00959] - parse args ESTART: 0.13078 [0.00849] - arg parse done ESTART: 0.13942 [0.00863] - ecore init ESTART: 0.17632 [0.03690] - ecore_file init ESTART: 0.18964 [0.01332] - more ecore ESTART: 0.19760 [0.00796] - x connect ESTART: 0.48743 [0.28983] - ecore_con ESTART: 1.87269 [1.38526] - xinerama E17 INIT: XINERAMA CHOSEN: [0], 480x640+0+0 ESTART: 1.89923 [0.02654] - x hints ESTART: 1.91815 [0.01892] - x hints done ESTART: 1.92139 [0.00325] - ecore_evas init ESTART: 1.94193 [0.02054] - test done ESTART: 1.95010 [0.00817] - efreet ESTART: 1.97073 [0.02063] - efreet done ESTART: 1.97889 [0.00816] - configure ESTART: 1.98905 [0.01016] - dirs ESTART: 2.00344 [0.01439] - filereg ESTART: 2.01261 [0.00916] - config BUS ERROR try : cd /root mv .e .e-old enlightenment_start What did i miss ? Is that image correct ? What is the correct image to have a working environment ? Why does it mount root as ext4 ? ( with ext2 installation it complained about circular references ) I am willing to help but in testing it seems there is no gdb what doesn't help to debug things. Please appologize if i polute the mailling list with usless remarks. Regards Philippe ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Steven Le Roux Jabber-ID : ste...@jabber.fr 0x39494CCB ste...@le-roux.info 2FF7 226B 552E 4709 03F0 6281 72D7 A010 3949 4CCB ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Why enlightenment?
On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 10:57 PM, Bram Neijt bne...@gmail.com wrote: I know this question must have come up once before, but I couldn't find any real answer online, so I'm posting it here. Why enlightenment? I haven't seen enlightenment being used for over 4 years, huum ? I use it daily on desktop/laptop and at work for over 4 years. I have friends who use it like me... There are external project which use it too... for example : geekbox is switching to E, Calaos the domotic app, and with the wealth of programs out there which are portable portable doesn't mean usable. and can run on top op Linux, this choice really astounds me. I'm only writing this now, because I see that the next Om release (2009) is going to keep focusing on using it. and it's a great thing !! Most people will not find this discussion productive, but please consider giving me some good pointers as I'm having a hard time to get my head around this. As I see it, all embedded devices running some kind of interface use either QT or GTK (QT Phone, Nokia Internet tablet, Sharp Zaurus..) and there are various applications and standards available. focusing on E doesn't mean you can't run any GTK or QT app. It's really like a pc, if you run gnome, can't you run marble or K3B ? If you run KDE4, can't you run firefox or OpenOffice ? The choice for a standard graphical librairy make sense for the OS, but the OS shouldn't forbid you to use any application you want. Obviously, the intergration is better when application are mainly coded with native libs, but, if we are making a choice between GTK or QT... the debate is the same.. my QT apps won't be integrated as well as GTK's ones on a GTK environment and vice versa. Why then go for enlightenment? cause it's great and fun ;) Hoping this is not to inflammatory, Bram ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Steven Le Roux Jabber-ID : ste...@jabber.fr 0x39494CCB ste...@le-roux.info 2FF7 226B 552E 4709 03F0 6281 72D7 A010 3949 4CCB ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] from debian to shr ;-)
This has happened to me before when Illume didn't like the combination of categories I used. Copy/paste the categories from a working desktop file and see if that helps. -Steven On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 7:08 AM, Davide Scaini dsca...@gmail.com wrote: yes, yesterday i tried making new files in the dir you specified, but with no luck (no new icon appeared)... i'll try again, thanks for your reply! d ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
