Re: French community : where is the website ?
I just sent him your mail to his personnal email. hopping he is just in vacation. I did not have any contact/news for a while. Sylvain (aka GarthPS) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Phoenux, Phoneux, Phonux?
:) 2012/6/5 Boudewijn wankelwan...@yahoo.com On Monday 04 June 2012 14:49:48 Martin Jansa wrote: On Sat, Jun 02, 2012 at 05:03:55PM +0100, Nick Sheppard wrote: On 31/05/12 16:36, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: ... 4. Nomenclature OpenPhoneux/GTA04 This was a really informative post - thanks! But how are you going to spell the new baby's name? I see Phoenux, Phoneux, and Phonux all within a few lines. To make this naming even more confusing: Today I've noticed webOS enthusiasts calling themselves Phoenix International Communications http://phxdevices.com/ At least that gives them ample excuse to port webOS to GTA04 ;-) Boudewijn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: I2C and GPS
can we have a picture of the final tweak please ? 2012/1/11 Benjamin Deering ben_deer...@swissmail.org Dusting off a very old thread... I have both of my sensors working and good gps performance now. This weekend I opened the position settings-satellite details dialog in SHR as well as my phone and tried a few things. I was seeing serious signal loss as soon as I connected the SCL line from the sensor to the test pad near the debug connector. I tried wrapping the SCL wire around a ferrite bead, and putting a decoupling cap between power and ground near the sensor. What ended up working was adding a series resistor on the SCL line. I grabbed a largeish SMD resistor from some volkswagen parts I had laying around (http://www.jeepingben.net/**plog-content/thumbs/2010/** volkswagen/large/995-dscf2246.**jpghttp://www.jeepingben.net/plog-content/thumbs/2010/volkswagen/large/995-dscf2246.jpg). I thought I was grabbing a 470 ohm, but I guess it was 4.7k (marked 472). With this resistor in series everything works. I don't know if anyone else is adding i2c sensors to their freerunner, but I thought this might be helpful. Ben On 11/24/2011 11:36 AM, Alastair Johnson wrote: Given the performance degradation in GPS lock cause by high SD drive strength and the i2c being on flying leads right next to the antenna I certainly wouldn't rule it out. On 11/24/2011 01:49 PM, Lars Poulsen wrote: Hi You can try to add a series resistor to the signals or reducing the drive strength of the driver. The frequency of the signals are not that important but rather the rise time. This is usually not a problem om i2c but who knows. On 24/11/2011, at 14.17, Dave dave...@gmail.com mailto:dave...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Ferrite beads aid with removing VHF-SHF feedback and/or uncontrolled oscillation mainly. I cannot see why they would be of use on a (500khz?) I2C bus. At that frequency they would have minimal effect. On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 9:44 PM, Benjamin Deering ben_deer...@swissmail.org mailto:ben_deering@swissmail.**orgben_deer...@swissmail.org wrote: With the i2c devices removed, I get TTFF of around 1 minute in shr-core. It sounds like putting ferrite beads on SDA and SCL might help reduce EMI, so I will try that when I get a chance. Ben On 11/23/2011 05:06 PM, dmatthews.org http://dmatthews.org wrote: On Tue, 22 Nov 2011 21:20:16 -0500 tel:16%20-0500 Benjamin Deeringben_deering@swissmail.**__org mailto:ben_deering@swissmail.**org ben_deer...@swissmail.org wrote: Hi Ben Not sure this is relevent to you, but I now have the fastest GPS fix I've ever had on the freerunner. QTMoko v35 and I put this in /etc/default/gpsd:- START_DAEMON=true GPSD_OPTIONS= DEVICES=/dev/ttySAC1 USBAUTO=false GPSD_SOCKET=/var/run/gpsd.__**sock Before doing this it was pretty poor - worse than earlier versions of qtmoko and much worse than every SHR I've tried. On a reasonably clear day I now reliably get a fix in under a minute, sometimes within a few seconds. The only other varying factor (doubtful relevence) is that I got pissed with QTMoko and to a lesser extent SHR foobarring the SD card, so I'm now running from the card instead of NAND and everything is pretty good __**___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org mailto:community@lists.**openmoko.orgcommunity@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/__**mailman/listinfo/communityhttp://lists.openmoko.org/__mailman/listinfo/community http://lists.openmoko.org/**mailman/listinfo/communityhttp://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community __**_ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org mailto:community@lists.**openmoko.orgcommunity@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/**mailman/listinfo/communityhttp://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community __**_ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/**mailman/listinfo/communityhttp://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community __**_ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/**mailman/listinfo/communityhttp://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Shr-User] Summary: FSOSHRCON'11
Thanks for the repport and the good job!! Regards, Sylvain (aka GarthPS) 2011/12/20 Lukas Märdian lukasmaerd...@googlemail.com [Crossposting to openmoko-community, shr-user and gta04-owner MLs] Dear all, as a participant of the FSOSHRCON'11 in Essen (Germany) this year, I'd like to summarize the topics we discussed and the work we did this last weekend. * Date and Location * Participants * The Ports (which Devices to support) * The Stack (SysV Init vs. Systemd / Udev vs. Devtmpfs) * Stability and Organization * Solved Tasks * Openmoko Community Survey 2011 – please take part! Date and Location: The FSOSHRCON'11 took place from 16.12. - 18.12.2011 at the Linux Hotel in Essen, Germany. Participants: antrik, GNUtoo, Heinervdm, JaMa, mickeyl, morphis, mrmoku, nschle85, slyon The Ports (which Devices to support): FSO status: [working] Openmoko GTA01, Openmoko GTA02, Palm Pre (+variants) [work in progress] Goldelico GTA04, Nokia N900, Google Nexus S SHR supports: Openmoko GTA02, Goldelico GTA04, Nokia N900, Palm Pre (+variants), Google Nexus S The Stack (SysV Init vs. Systemd / Udev vs. Devtmpfs): * SHR will switch from SysV init to Systemd in the (near) future, to provide a faster and cleaner bootup. * There will probably be a minimal FSO init process, which can be used to bootup a minimal FSO featurephone stack. * We see phones as mostly static devices with fixed use cases, thus we prefer devtmpfs over udev and will use it on all devices running SHR. * Udev will stay in the feeds, so power users who want to use their phone as a mini computer can install it anyways. Stability and Organization: * SHR will make releases in the future * Release will be created from best staging image + feed, but without maintaining release branch. * releases consists of a set of features and/or bug fixes * for testing the new features, staging images are published and tested by developers and the community * developers are working on feature branches which are merged after the work is finished * versions of major components are locked in SHR and updated as features Solved Tasks: * GTA04 support: you can now build SHR-Core images, which are almost working. Still lacking proper power management (kernel) and proper audio routing (fso/alsa) – both are worked on * shr_elm_softkey: fixed a long standing bug which prevented you from closing several applications (ffphonelog, ffalarms, iliwi) * ffalarms: fixed segfault on adding an alarm * trac cleanup: we started to clean up our trac bug database, which included closing a lot of outdated/obsolete bugs. Openmoko Community Survey 2011 – please take part! We decided to start a poll about which hardware and which software you use or are interested in these days. The results will help us to focus on relevant hard-/software. Please participate in the survey at Doodle and spread the word about it! = http://www.doodle.com/sh6insnivnvqyz7h ___ Shr-User mailing list shr-u...@lists.shr-project.org http://lists.shr-project.org/mailman/listinfo/shr-user ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [OT] HP contributes webOS software to the open source community
As a webos user (try to help to port SHR on it) I can say it is a really great/pleasant mobile OS but with some bad point that could be improved if it is really open-sourced. For me SHR or QTMoko should takes the card metaphor idea. It is really THE thing for me + the gesture handling, and both can be taken. I personally would love to be able to adapt these in Enlightenment. 2011/12/10 Alex Samorukov m...@os2.kiev.ua On 12/10/2011 07:48 PM, urodelo wrote: words, HP will keep the control of the development. Do they think they can still get anything ($$) from webOS? If not, why they didn't let everything in the hands of the community? I've never used webos devices, just red articles about Palm devs, comments, etc, but I believe that an open source webos could have a positive impact on openmoko community too. What do you think? I think it could be great. We alredy have one OS based on abandoned sources (QTMoko) and i am using it as primary OS for OpenMoko. WebOS is known to be commercial and stable operating system and it probably should work fine on onging GTA04 effort. __**_ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/**mailman/listinfo/communityhttp://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QtMoko running on GTA04
Hi Radek (and other interested by the case) I don't know what it worth but did ever think about Polycarprolactone ? cf http://reprap.org/wiki/Polycaprolactone I am sure that it would be handier than carton case :) Thx to everybody for all these good things! Cheers, Sylvain 'GarthPS' Paré 2011/10/17 Radek Polak pson...@seznam.cz Hi, today i finally received my GTA04. After 2 hours i made case. Then compiled kernel unpacked qtmoko v36 tar on SD card and it booted on first try to GUI. After calibration and initial settings it didnt started because of modem, but after editing /opt/qtmoko/qpe.env setting PHONE_VENDOR=Dummy and reboot it started just fine. Here is short video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgZzxmHzWtg My impression from GTA04 are really great. The phone is very fast - much more responsive then GTA02. It can play fullscreen video without problem, as you can see e.g. reading PDF is really fast too. USB networking works ok and web browser is also super fast. Congratulations to Nikolaus and all GTA04 team. I still can't believe what you have done. Many thanks for my new board and hopefully new phone soon. Regards Radek ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
kernel crash investigation
Hi, I would like to know if there is already a tested way within SHR to record kernel crash messages. Paul Fertser gave me already a few ways but I would like to know it soem of you have already done this with SHR on its device and with OE tools that can be provided. Thanks by advance. Sylvain 'GarthPS' Paré ps: I work on my Palm Pre 2 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: MCNavi 0.3.1 released
thx to JaMa quicker than me.. http://cgit.openembedded.org/cgit.cgi/openembedded/commit/?id=0655368e725c6847209f627009917deeff0f 2011/9/5 Xavier Cremaschi omega.xav...@gmail.com Wow great news ! I will install it and use it in car as soon as possible to give you some feedback :) Le 02/09/2011 23:53, Mike Crash a écrit : Hello, after long hard work new version of MCNavi is here. There is a lot of changes, some functionality was removed (like tourist routes - will reappear in future in better way) due to many code changes, change in map format, change in converter, but more functionality was added. For example there is possibility to save bookmarks, save and load route (can be opened as standard GPX), save and load track logs, has faster routing, can show simple itinerary etc. For more information go to [1]. This is still beta, not all is done and some functionality may not work as expected. Currently I'm using it actively in car and on bike and it works quite good fro me. Currently only map of Czech republic can be downloaded, next version will add turn restrictions and (hope) stabilize map format for all 0.3.x versions. After that, more countries will be available for download (or on demand). I have released previous public version more than one year ago, but I wanted to release something usable, therefore the huge delay. Currently only Debian version can be installed out of the box, needs fso-gps and edje, but works with new libgps also. But you have to compile it yourself. [1] http://www.gps-routes.info/index.php?name=Contentpa=showpagepid=1 -- View this message in context: http://openmoko-public-mailinglists.1958.n2.nabble.com/MCNavi-0-3-1-released-tp6755455p6755455.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Shr-Devel] some advertising
@GNUtoo: thx ;) @EdorFaus: thx but not lot of access ( perhaps i should move to php.. but I have more intersting things to do : ) ) @Slyon: coool to see it in video! ( forgaive me I pass through long webos booting :) ) /me looking forward to merge this into fso-installer! 2011/1/13 Lukas Märdian lukasmaerd...@googlemail.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Am 11.01.2011 19:03, schrieb Sylvain Paré: Hi all! I did a video today http://vimeo.com/18663899 Hey! I did a video as well, showing my new dual-booting solution called Bootr: http://vimeo.com/18744450 With Bootr you can switch between WebOS and SHR at bootup. Bootr lives here: https://github.com/slyon/bootr Slyon -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJNLyR4AAoJEGGMlCflhefE26sIAKQDRXK0iYZaLWKHv/k6+DgB 6P2ZerWaVGafIdehc7vg8OQQZlqIUCUbws9jWHhRpqrbWg/08XDhqXaYB7hpJlgp PuEq9kCwDNeX18pHEB8vgZVo3UbSv45ViFu/aRQ3A5hE6VymcD9m23RJAnqPnWOp 26P28vWeY2bHY183lWONNQy9wBad1dUDIwkHmK4sUlw7eh1EnLeR0vFGNkaCE2c3 TaNnMicDdnaPgFzsCTSRO8vuV89iWtD3q5H8/DDsn+qU1zMky1C8Juk2kGEmtonT 5LJzaTmE398n4oSuXeLcSNYNZoICCXp5Sty/LyxxJiJ5m/X6laqEmhGMtigGHZ0= =mnTi -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: some advertising
:) you are welcome for the .ogg! the cons is that I can't know how many personne did look the video as I only have a counter on vimeo. (only html code on my personnal page...) 2011/1/12 Gennady Kupava g...@bsdmn.com В Втр, 11/01/2011 в 19:03 +0100, Sylvain Paré пишет: http://pare.sylvain.perso.sfr.fr/video/FRvsP2.ogg Look like slowness question finally closed :) Gennady ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
some advertising
Hi all! I did a video today http://vimeo.com/18663899 the next one to is will be Pre2(FSO/SHR) vs Pre2(WebOS) CU Sylvain (aka GarthPS) ps if you don't like/have flash http://pare.sylvain.perso.sfr.fr/video/FRvsP2.ogg ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QtMoko v31
Thanks to every one behind this! Happy new year too! Sylvain 2010/12/30 Radek Polak pson...@seznam.cz Hi, new stable qtmoko release v31 is now out. You can download images for SD card and NAND flash from sourceforge [1] and sources from github [2]. QtMoko is distribution for Freerunner based on debian rootfs and qtopia phone stack and GUI. For more info please see [3] and [4]. Changes since previous version: - fixed invisible call button in finximod theme (Joif) - translated to French (Gregoire Juge) - updated Danish translation (Ole Carlsen) - better layout in docked keyboard - commented completion strip in docked keyboard - VT not switch to graphics which fixes X hang in VT_WAITACTIVE (Gennady+Me) - fix QX crash after pause/resume - using openssh-server instead of dropbear again This is first stable release based on kernel 2.6.34. I think nearly all regressions to andy-tracking 2.6.29 are fixed so i will tag last commit with 2.6.29 support and will merge 2.6.34 support in master. Docked keyboard (the one suitable for terminal) is now much better. It has same layout as in SHR, which means you will have cursor keys on main screen. The completion strip was IMO quite useless and wasted only space so it's now disabled. As for the VT fix (or hack ;-) it's now possible to use any X server with QX. So you can install full xserver and use it instead of Xglamo which is default. So happy new year! Regards Radek [1] https://sourceforge.net/projects/qtmoko/files/ [2] https://github.com/radekp/qtmoko [3] http://www.qtmoko.org/ [4] http://activationrecord.net/radekp/qtmoko/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [ANN]: GTA04 (Beagleboard inspired Openmoko Upgrade) - Early Adpoter Program
I would have been very glade to support this version too. but I decided to buy a mass market phone to support multiport of FSO just before the GTA04 began to be very promising.. I am a bit sad :/ but I will be there to support GTA05or 06 for sure!! anyway cheers! and Happy Holidays! best regards, Sylvain (aka garthps) 2010/12/21 Kosa k...@piradio.org Great news! I will definitely buy one of those. Not just becouse I have a dead-by-drown FR collecting dust (wich case an lcd screen I can reuse), but also 'couse the FR is the best phone I have ever, I want to support opendevices development and this is the best way I can thank all FR users and developers effort have made so far. Cheers! Kosa - Un mundo mejor es posible - El 21/12/10 09:33, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller escribió: Dear all, we are happy that we can make an announcement to the Free and Open Hardware Community, right in time for X-mas and New Year: We have finally tested, understood and patched the bugs of the first GTA04 sample board (a.k.a. GTA04A2) and have successfully started U-Boot. We can access the important peripherals like display, touch screen, and MMC card. So we are very confident that the already scheduled redesign (GTA04A3) will work right from the beginning and boot Linux. This looks like the start of the aera of new Openmoko devices. -- what it is -- For those who have not followed or are new to this project, the GTA04 is a OMAP3 based Smartphone Platform/Module [1] that fits as a motherboard replacement into a Openmoko Neo1973 or Freerunner case [2]. It is more or less the idea to squeeze a BeagleBoard into a handheld and was started by connecting a Openmoko Display to a BeagleBoard [3]. It will finally come with UMTS (HSPA), GPS, WLAN, Bluetooth, Accelerometer, Gyroscope, Altimeter, Compass, FM and an optional camera. An expansion B2B-connector allows to base a custom design on this module. A demo video of the GTA04A2 controlling the display and blinking the illuminated buttons is here [4]. A brief project description is [5]. Please excuse the low quality of the pictures, since our small team has so far focussed on hardware and software. The difference to off-the-shelf smartphones is that it will be well documented (CC-BY-SA) and schematics will be included in the spirit of the original Openmoko devices so that you can access all the nice peripherals we have designed into it. And through the expansion connectors you can also use it as a module in your design. And, it is a community project. Everyone is welcome to contribute. The driving force behind this project is Golden Delicious Computers (www.goldelico.com), a specialist for embedded hard-, firm- and software development located in Oberhaching near Munich, Bavaria, Germany. -- next steps -- A closed and safe process would be that we silently redesign the board (i.e. develop a GTA04A3), order some sample boards and test them. If everything finally works, we would order components and sit there and wait for them to arrive. Then, we would announce generaly availability in big ads in NYT and FAZ. In this mode, you may deduce, that you will not be able to get a GTA04 earlier than Summer next year if we don't run out of money before. -- early adopter program -- Therefore, we have thought hat we offer an early adoper program to the benefit of everybody. The idea is that you can order a GTA04A3 immediately. At a fixed price (280 EUR). And we take the risk that prices of components will change. You only take the risk that we may need more time to get the components and have to spin another PCB. Using your money, we will order the core components with a long lead time (OMAP, Memory, UMTS module) as soon as possible - and early enough before the GTA04A3 design is finished. This makes sure that we have enough components for the first batch to be produced. And we will not spend the money for anything else so that you could even visit us to see your chips... But please don't touch. Once, the GTA04A3 boards arrive, we will test some of them and if everything looks ok, we will produce your early adopter devices. Only in the case that the A3 board has another serious flaw, we will have to design a GTA04A4 board first. This all speeds up the process dramatically so that we currently estimate delivery of the first units by March 2011. The price has been set very low so that it just covers component and production cost at a reduced feature set (there are not all peripherals installed but UMTS and GPS will be). It might be possible to retrofit some of them. Please note that it does *not* include the LCD module, case and battery, because it is a motherboard-replacement to existing Openmoko units (Freerunner and Neo1973). And, we can't specify yet which version of the
Re: [Shr-User] [Community Updates] 2010-12-01 issue is out!
thx! 2010/12/1 Timo Jyrinki timo.jyri...@gmail.com Newest community update now available at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/2010-12-01 and plain text version below. This issue was brought to you by: - Toams - Valos - TimoJyrinki ( as usual, you can help out with the next issue at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/Draft_2011-01-01 ) Remember that when the date for the next issue arrives, feel free to do this publishing and wrapping up instead of me. - Period 2010-11-01 to 2010-11-30 *** Distributions *** Debian GNU/Linux Debian is a universal operating system used on many embedded devices, servers and home computers. Using Debian on the FreeRunner gives access to the huge army of software packaged in the Debian repositories, already compiled for the Neo's ARM(v4) processor. Moreover, one can build one's own source files for programs without having to learn the OpenEmbedded way. For an existing Debian/Ubuntu user, choosing Debian for Neo FreeRunner makes phone a very familiar, trustworthy and flexible place to hack in. General news: * Second Openmoko specific Linux 2.6.34 kernel is available. Highlights: o EXT4 support, UbiFS support o GPS suspend handling patch from Gennady Kupava o Jitterless touch patch o CONFIG_HZ=100 o Miscellaneous configuration wishes fulfilled Codename: 'sid' Homepage: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnFreeRunner Image: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Debian *** Applications *** New Applications Micromoko Micromoko is a Twitter primarly for SHR/OE. It is written in C using Elementary, it has a builtin Twitter library. It's not available on SHR yet, you need to compile it manually. It depends on libmokosuite: http://gitorious.org/mokosuite2/libmokosuite Homepage: http://gitorious.org/mokosuite2/micromoko Package: sources Tested on: SHR Application Updates Podboy 1.7.2 A podcast aggregator / player written in Python / Elementary. * New release due to Elementary API changes in Icon, List and Toolbar widgets (python-elementary revision = 53901) Homepage: http://code.google.com/p/podboy/wiki/Overview Package: [1] Tested on: SHR Minneo 1.0.2 A classic Memory game * New release due to Elementary API changes in Icon, List and Toolbar widgets (python-elementary revision = 53901) Homepage: http://code.google.com/p/minneo/ Package: [2] Tested on: SHR Chroneo 1.0.1 A Stopwatch and Timer * New release due to Elementary API changes in Icon, List and Toolbar widgets (python-elementary revision = 53901) Homepage: http://code.google.com/p/chroneo/ Package: [3] Tested on: SHR Neomis 1.0.3 A computer version of the well-known electronic game named Simon * New release due to Elementary API changes in Icon, List and Toolbar widgets (python-elementary revision = 53901) Homepage: http://code.google.com/p/neomis/ Package: [4] Tested on: SHR NeoTool v1.3 NeoTool is a bash script for your desktop system to provide a friendly GUI frontend to some common management tasks, like for example flashing Openmoko smartphones. It is aimed at being very intuitive and easy to use, and flexible enough to make it useful in a wide variety of circumstances. * Added (broken) ubifs support per chris' patch Homepage: http://users.on.net/~antisol/neotoolhttp://users.on.net/%7Eantisol/neotool Package: [5] Tested on: openSUSE / CentOS / Fedora / Mandriva / RHEL *** General News *** Most important and change making mails on the mailing lists, blogs etc.. Coolest hacks, screenshots, themes etc.. * Latest news on the ”GTA04” project from Golden Delicious - a project to create modern replacement board for the FreeRunner case + display, using ARMv7 CPU and 3G modem: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2010-November/063760.html * Presentation ”Tuning an old but free phone” was held at FSCONS 2010: http://losca.blogspot.com/2010/11/free-society-conference-and-nordic.html (video not yet available, only slides) *** Event News *** * 2010-12-04 German Open HardSoftware Workshop on 4th/5th December 2010 in Munich; will cover Openmoko, Beagle Board, Arduino, OpenPandora, ...; still in planing phase; to stay and participate in planning loop please subscribe to: http://lists.goldelico.com/mailman/listinfo/open-hard-software-event * 2010-12-?? Buzz fix and free beer brewing party in Washington, DC: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/BuzzFixParty#Washington.2C_DC_-_United_States - tell about your interest! Mailing list post http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2010-November/063770.html * 2011-01-24 Mobile FOSS MiniConf at LCA2011 announced a call for papers that closes on Friday 22nd October 2010. So submit something about OpenMoko today! * 2011-02-05/06 FOSDEM 2011 calls for Main Speakers and
Re: [Shr-Devel] Palm Pre 2
Hi So now that you had time to play with it, I'd like to know if it cas easily replace an N900 ? Firstly I don't own an N900. In particular: - is there a merged addressbook (with phone + gtalk + facebook + skype + etc.) ? yep webos merge all account setted for : Contacts (tried with gmail adresse) Calendar (tried with gmail adresse) Todo list (if there are other providers for this knid of service...? don't know) Note ( ) Phone (? did not tried) Messaging (it merges sms/mms/gtalk and other IM) - what's the IM/phone backend ? don't know. or don't understand the question so here is a list of proposed type of account to set: AIM mail account facebook google linkedin microsoft exchange photobucket yahoo! youtube search for other (app catalog) - how many good Free apps are there in the app store ? not that much.. It is not open source mentality here. it is busness as android and appstore. so if you do like me (ie restricting to free/floss) then there is not lot of apps. I will see how to build existing floss app for it. - and .. is there a shell (i.e. how open is it) ? You can enable a dev mod that permit to novacom( a bit like an ssh connection but by usb and without encryption and network interface) which you can use to install openssh or dropbears and then enable usbnet mode (like with the Freerunner) and install preware( a communotary app catalog ) in which you can find( and install ) terminal emulators( don't know if it is the good term) but those I have tried did not work here with the pre 2 . I think they need to be updated. Thanks, my pleasure. Xav Sylvain (aka GarthPS) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Shr-Devel] Palm Pre 2
To FSO guys on the pre, I will try to install the demo image in the next few days. But I have one question first : in the step 2. when do we restore back /sbin/init.old ? Plus, I think this page (installing fso on the pre) really needs a lite paragraph about howto revert the webos boot. because right now I am not sure of what to do. morphis there is no fso2-demo-image-palmpre.ext3 in your repo as said in the howto. Thnaks CU Sylvain. ps: I have my fix internet connection back ( a bit poor but...) so I am on irc if needed. 2010/11/22 Sylvain Paré sylvain.p...@gmail.com Hi So now that you had time to play with it, I'd like to know if it cas easily replace an N900 ? Firstly I don't own an N900. In particular: - is there a merged addressbook (with phone + gtalk + facebook + skype + etc.) ? yep webos merge all account setted for : Contacts (tried with gmail adresse) Calendar (tried with gmail adresse) Todo list (if there are other providers for this knid of service...? don't know) Note ( ) Phone (? did not tried) Messaging (it merges sms/mms/gtalk and other IM) - what's the IM/phone backend ? don't know. or don't understand the question so here is a list of proposed type of account to set: AIM mail account facebook google linkedin microsoft exchange photobucket yahoo! youtube search for other (app catalog) - how many good Free apps are there in the app store ? not that much.. It is not open source mentality here. it is busness as android and appstore. so if you do like me (ie restricting to free/floss) then there is not lot of apps. I will see how to build existing floss app for it. - and .. is there a shell (i.e. how open is it) ? You can enable a dev mod that permit to novacom( a bit like an ssh connection but by usb and without encryption and network interface) which you can use to install openssh or dropbears and then enable usbnet mode (like with the Freerunner) and install preware( a communotary app catalog ) in which you can find( and install ) terminal emulators( don't know if it is the good term) but those I have tried did not work here with the pre 2 . I think they need to be updated. Thanks, my pleasure. Xav Sylvain (aka GarthPS) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Shr-Devel] Palm Pre 2
Hi! So I have it! And I know how to log as root in it (I had to compile novacom-util from webinternal because the .deb package of developer.palm.com does not include the new usb id of the pre2 so unable tofind device) So if you guys from FSO/SHR want me to list the hardware of the Pre2, or some thing else, let me know! I will try the LVM step when the page will have a little paragraph on howto revert the procedure :) ( I want to be sure of what I do) because as I understand it there is a change of init scrip ( with miniboot.sh ) but I see never the original one moved back. Thanks! CU Sylvain (aka GarthPS) 2010/11/7 Frederik Sdun frederik.s...@googlemail.com Am Samstag, den 06.11.2010, 19:44 +0100 schrieb Sylvain Paré: Hi guys, I have just ordered not one but two palm pre 2 !! Yeah :p No in fact the second one is for my darling... :) she had had enough of her Sony Ericsson J132 (no way! :) ) So from the middle of next week I will be able to do any tests you want to find out what is needed to port FSO on the palm pre 2! and of course to test it! I am a little impatient.. :p BR Sylvain (aka GarthPS) 2010/11/3 Frederik Sdun frederik.s...@googlemail.com Am Mittwoch, den 03.11.2010, 13:12 +0100 schrieb Sylvain Paré: I take the opportunity to ask about the status of FSO on the Palm Pre. this page date a bit http://wiki.freesmartphone.org/index.php/Palm_Pre:_Jan_2010_-_ %3F tahnks BR Sylvain (aka GarthPS) 2010/11/3 Simon Busch morp...@gravedo.de On 02.11.2010 14:23, Sylvain Paré wrote: The new Palm PRE 2 is out in France http://www.palm.com/us/products/phones/pre2/ http://www.sfr.fr/mobile/telephone-portable/palm-pre-2?vue=000agvsfrcpid=t1_mob_model_googs_kwcid=TC|8951|palm%20pre%202||S||6139520240http://www.sfr.fr/mobile/telephone-portable/palm-pre-2?vue=000agvsfrcpid=t1_mob_model_googs_kwcid=TC%7C8951%7Cpalm%20pre%202%7C%7CS%7C%7C6139520240 Does anyway knows something about this new hardware? Very different from its little brother? (palme pre) Is their a chance to see FSO/SHR ported to this device ? (if it is as far open as the first palm pre or even more open) I don't know any details about the Pre 2. But it looks like they changed only some stuff of the Pre and release it as Pre 2. I think the most critical part of the Pre 2 is again the modem. If they use the same one as in the Pre we should be able to port FSO/SHR very fast. regards, morphis ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Moin, I'm just trying to extract the config from the new webosdoctor to figure out what's different. But it looks like the Pre 2 is the same as the Pre except it uses an omap3460 and an library indicates that there's a geomagnatic module in it: http://bit.ly/lsm303dlh The statuspage might need some updates, but you can search for screenshot on http://scap.linuxtogo.org. Boardname: Sirloin OMAP3430 board. Here's the latest one: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/efba002db1516f2aae747944e7d336c4.png Regards, Frederik ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Shr-devel mailing list shr-de...@lists.shr-project.org http://lists.shr-project.org/mailman/listinfo/shr-devel Hi, at a first step you should create a LVM partition for FSO/SHR on the pre. Then you need a recipe for the kernel and a machine description. Maybe you can even boot a pre image/kernel for first testing. Here's the link which describes the steps to install FSO on pre [0], which might need some updates and fixes for the pre 2. Regards, Frederik [0] http://wiki.freesmartphone.org/index.php/Palm_Pre:_Install_FSO
Re: [GTA04] When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing
Thanks for the news 2010/11/5 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com Am 05.11.2010 um 12:39 schrieb Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller: Am 21.10.2010 um 07:36 schrieb Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller: Am 20.10.2010 um 09:56 schrieb Patryk Benderz: [cut] I will keep you updated. Nikolaus Thanks for sharing this, do you have some photos of this board? Looking Here is the photo of a bare board as it came from the PCB factory: http://download.goldelico.com/gta04/images/DSC00627.jpg http://download.goldelico.com/gta04/images/DSC00628.jpg The next version of the board layout will add two Hirose DF40 board-to-board connectors on the display side so that the GTA04 can be mounted on a expansion board (e.g. for a different/larger display). A populated board will finally look similar to this one: http://download.goldelico.com/gta04/images/DSC00477.jpg forward to hear more! :) As soon as we have something to share... Ok, here is some good and bad news... Good news: last week I got a board where some of the basic power control chips are populated (except the TPS65950 BGA). Mainly, the backlight converter is operating. This one works and after connecting a LCD module, we could operate it as a lamp :) Yesterday I received the second board where we did populate the TPS65950 (power controller). The results of measurements are: * the 32 kHz RTC clock is operating * when inserting a battery, most voltages are available as expected Bad news: * we have a short circuit on the 1V8 rail I have spent most of the night and this morning to track this down. It appears to be a solder short circuit under the TPS chip (a 0.4 mm pitch BGA). So I am currently sitting at our SMD rework company and looking over the shoulder of the CTO who has a lot of experience. Unfortunately I can't make photos. We already have unsoldered the TPS chip (that needs a really sophisticated machine) and the short has disappeared. The next step is to solder it back again and do the next tests. If that works, i.e. we get all voltages from the power controller, the 26 MHz oscillator should also start working. If that is ok, the OMAP and the POP memory will be soldered. Maybe we manage to get it today. Then, we can see if the CPU is doing something. Current status: the 1.8V is now working but the VDD2 (1.2 V) not. The TPS chip aborts the power up sequence early. Rene will upload some photos of the board and we will post a link. Here: http://download.goldelico.com/gta04/images/DSC00671.jpg http://download.goldelico.com/gta04/images/DSC00672.jpg Nikolaus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Palm Pre 2
Hi guys, I have just ordered not one but two palm pre 2 !! Yeah :p No in fact the second one is for my darling... :) she had had enough of her Sony Ericsson J132http://www.google.com/images?client=ubuntuchannel=fsq=SONY+ERICSSON+J132oe=utf-8um=1ie=UTF-8source=ogsa=Nhl=entab=wibiw=1440bih=710(no way! :) ) So from the middle of next week I will be able to do any tests you want to find out what is needed to port FSO on the palm pre 2! and of course to test it! I am a little impatient.. :p BR Sylvain (aka GarthPS) 2010/11/3 Frederik Sdun frederik.s...@googlemail.com Am Mittwoch, den 03.11.2010, 13:12 +0100 schrieb Sylvain Paré: I take the opportunity to ask about the status of FSO on the Palm Pre. this page date a bit http://wiki.freesmartphone.org/index.php/Palm_Pre:_Jan_2010_-_%3F tahnks BR Sylvain (aka GarthPS) 2010/11/3 Simon Busch morp...@gravedo.de On 02.11.2010 14:23, Sylvain Paré wrote: The new Palm PRE 2 is out in France http://www.palm.com/us/products/phones/pre2/ http://www.sfr.fr/mobile/telephone-portable/palm-pre-2?vue=000agvsfrcpid=t1_mob_model_googs_kwcid=TC|8951|palm%20pre%202||S||6139520240http://www.sfr.fr/mobile/telephone-portable/palm-pre-2?vue=000agvsfrcpid=t1_mob_model_googs_kwcid=TC%7C8951%7Cpalm%20pre%202%7C%7CS%7C%7C6139520240 Does anyway knows something about this new hardware? Very different from its little brother? (palme pre) Is their a chance to see FSO/SHR ported to this device ? (if it is as far open as the first palm pre or even more open) I don't know any details about the Pre 2. But it looks like they changed only some stuff of the Pre and release it as Pre 2. I think the most critical part of the Pre 2 is again the modem. If they use the same one as in the Pre we should be able to port FSO/SHR very fast. regards, morphis ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Moin, I'm just trying to extract the config from the new webosdoctor to figure out what's different. But it looks like the Pre 2 is the same as the Pre except it uses an omap3460 and an library indicates that there's a geomagnatic module in it: http://bit.ly/lsm303dlh The statuspage might need some updates, but you can search for screenshot on http://scap.linuxtogo.org. Boardname: Sirloin OMAP3430 board. Here's the latest one: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/efba002db1516f2aae747944e7d336c4.png Regards, Frederik ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Palm Pre 2
I take the opportunity to ask about the status of FSO on the Palm Pre. this page date a bit http://wiki.freesmartphone.org/index.php/Palm_Pre:_Jan_2010_-_%3F tahnks BR Sylvain (aka GarthPS) 2010/11/3 Simon Busch morp...@gravedo.de On 02.11.2010 14:23, Sylvain Paré wrote: The new Palm PRE 2 is out in France http://www.palm.com/us/products/phones/pre2/ http://www.sfr.fr/mobile/telephone-portable/palm-pre-2?vue=000agvsfrcpid=t1_mob_model_googs_kwcid=TC|8951|palm%20pre%202||S||6139520240http://www.sfr.fr/mobile/telephone-portable/palm-pre-2?vue=000agvsfrcpid=t1_mob_model_googs_kwcid=TC%7C8951%7Cpalm%20pre%202%7C%7CS%7C%7C6139520240 Does anyway knows something about this new hardware? Very different from its little brother? (palme pre) Is their a chance to see FSO/SHR ported to this device ? (if it is as far open as the first palm pre or even more open) I don't know any details about the Pre 2. But it looks like they changed only some stuff of the Pre and release it as Pre 2. I think the most critical part of the Pre 2 is again the modem. If they use the same one as in the Pre we should be able to port FSO/SHR very fast. regards, morphis ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Palm Pre 2
The new Palm PRE 2 is out in France http://www.palm.com/us/products/phones/pre2/ http://www.sfr.fr/mobile/telephone-portable/palm-pre-2?vue=000agvsfrcpid=t1_mob_model_googs_kwcid=TC|8951|palm%20pre%202||S||6139520240 Does anyway knows something about this new hardware? Very different from its little brother? (palme pre) Is their a chance to see FSO/SHR ported to this device ? (if it is as far open as the first palm pre or even more open) Thanks for your infos/feedback Sylvain (aka GarthPS) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FoxtrotGPS 1.0.0 now available
thx! keep on! 2010/10/27 Petr Vanek van...@penguin.cz On Wed, 27 Oct 2010 00:37:54 -0400 Joshua Judson Rosen roz...@geekspace.com (JJR) wrote: Hi everybody, I'm pleased to announce the release of FoxtrotGPS 1.0.0, the first stable release since branching from tangoGPS; tarballs (with detached GnuPG signatures) are available at http://www.foxtrotgps.org/releases/. thank you for continuous work on this great project! Petr ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: mokomaze 5.5 and shr-u 20100921 accelerometers off axis
Yeap you are note the only one! It is since the new kernel 2.6.32 I have already reported it here https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/2362 but I am wondering if it is the good place? 2010/9/30 Kent S. Knudsen forestmount...@gmail.com I noticed this too. I just installed Mokomaze for the first time, so I just thought the accelorometers was a bit off by design. --- Kent jerjoz.for...@gmail.com wrote hello list, im running latest mokomaze and shr-u 20100921, even after re-calibrating the the game mokomaze reads the accelerometers off axis. meaning if i lay the freerunner on a flat surface and start lifting on its left edge, the moko maze ball moves to top left of the screen. and if i start lifting on the right edge the mokomaze ball moves to bottom right. any one else experiencing this? were the accelerometers changed somewhere along the way, i dont recall the game behaving in this way before. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Problem converting maps. was: MC Navi 0.2.10 released
still Map statistics: -- Nodes: 890297 Sectors: 5101 Segments: 935455 Ways: 105291 Planes: 698047 Countries: 1 Cities: 2 Streets: 0 Addresses: 0 POIs: 21369 Done both with personally computed boundaries file and precomputed file from MCnavi site with this osm file http://download.geofabrik.de/osm/europe/france/bretagne.osm.bz2 If someone has the reason of this Thx.. Sylvain 2010/9/21 Mike Crash m...@mikecrash.com Hi, the output code looks good, but it seems that cities where not assigned to country, so you have no cities and addresses (something with country boundary). There is new version 0.2.13 with some improvements in itinerary and routing. This is only small update, the next big step is going forward - better map conversion, also bigger maps and select of features in map. Currently I use it successfully for navigation and orientation, there are some features missing, but I will evolve it in future - slowly, only in spare time... Mike -- View this message in context: http://openmoko-public-mailinglists.1958.n2.nabble.com/MC-Navi-0-2-10-released-tp5158145p745.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [GTA04] When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing
Hi, Thanks for these news! Some questions: Does Openmoko Inc. is involved in this right now ? and which are the next steps between this and a real future GTA04 end-user phone? Again thanks for your work! BR Sylvain (aka GarthPS) 2010/9/16 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@computer.org Am 12.08.2010 um 14:12 schrieb RANJAN: Hi, When is the next and more powerful openmoko (capable of seamless 3D video and faster processor) is going to be released??? Regards Sriranjan I have good news to announce. We have again made progress towards our goals. The first step is that the Openmoko Beagle Hybrid [1] (which is our experimental and development prototype of such a new Openmoko) is now working on the BeagleBoard XM [2]. We had to find a new solution to solder the connectors (since the BB-XM already has some). And to do some minor software changes to U-Boot. But now it works. Here you can find some photos of the assembly process: http://projects.goldelico.com/p/ombeagle/page/ConnectToBeagleboardXM/ We now have a 1 GHz ARM Cortex A8 with 3D Video behind a Freerunner touch display! And there is also good news for the GTA04 OMAP/UMTS upgrade board. We have finalized the PCB layout and ordered (thanks to a bigger donation) 10 sample boards and a SMD stencil. They will arrive in 2-3 weeks. How it could look like is shown here (showing a 2-layer mockup board and some of the core components): http://download.goldelico.com/gta04/images/DSC00477.jpg Nikolaus [1]: http://www.handheld-linux.com/wiki.php?page=Openmoko%20Beaglehttp://www.handheld-linux.com/wiki.php?page=Openmoko+Beagle http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Openmoko_Beagle_Hybrid [2]: http://beagleboard.org/hardware-xM ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How to maximize GPS battery life ?
you have qgpslog as an only logging app.
2010/9/10 Timo Juhani Lindfors timo.lindf...@iki.fi
Xavier Cremaschi omega.xav...@gmail.com writes:
It seems that GPS chip is able to keep the fix while FR is suspended
(/sys/devices/platform/gta02-pm-gps.0/keep_on_in_suspend), but I need
the CPU to log data, don't I ?
The GSM chip has an ARM cpu. It is possible to run code on it and
modify it to buffer the data to its own memory so that you only need
to wake the main CPU once every 10 minutes or so.
- launch fsoraw -r GPS tangogps and start logging
tangogps consumes cpu time uselessly. I just
echo
'?WATCH={class:WATCH,enable:true,json:false,nmea:true,raw:0,scaled:false,timing:false}'
| nc localhost gpsd $HOME/gps/`date -Iseconds`.dump
currently with gpsd.
- let the FR disable display after 30s (problem : any touch on screen
will keep it up)
I have been using
http://iki.fi/lindi/openmoko/touchscreen-lock.c
for a year or so. It locks the touchscreen so that X does not see any
events unless you swipe the screen slowly from top to bottom with your
finger.
if I want to use my FR as a GPS track logger (for an OSM mapping party
for example), what is the best way to save battery life ?
I carry a set of external usb batteries with me when mapping. See
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/user:lindi
for more info.
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Re: [Shr-User] [Community Updates] 2010-09-01 is out
thx too! 2010/9/1 Jakob jackram...@googlemail.com On 9/1/10, Timo Jyrinki timo.jyri...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Newest community update now available at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/2010-09-01 and plain text version below. In addition to myself the latest edition was brought to you by: - Sre - Leadman - Toams ( as usual, you can help out with the next edition at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/Draft_2010-10-01 ) --- Period 2010-08-01 to 2010-08-31 *** Distributions *** Debian GNU/Linux Debian is a universal operating system used on many other embedded devices, and also on home computers. Using Debian on the FreeRunner gives access to the huge army of software packaged in the Debian repositories, already compiled for the Neo's arm(v4) processor. Moreover, one can build one's own source files for programs without having to learn the OpenEmbedded way. For an existing Debian/Ubuntu user, choosing Debian for Neo FreeRunner makes phone a very familiar, trustworthy and flexible place to hack in. General news: * The ARM servers sponsored by ARM Ltd. got activated, thus experimental packages are built for arm now. That means also fso-gsmd got built for the Freerunner. * SHR packages have been removed from pkg-fso repository, they all arrived in Debian unstable, and just in time for Debian 6.0 freeze. The biggest hurdle for official FreeRunner support in Debian is the kernel, since basically everything else starts to be in, in one form or another. There are currently two places with FreeRunner related kernels in Debian: * Official kernel support for Neo FreeRunner devices is being developed by worked in a s3c24xx branch at http://git.debian.org/?p=pkg-fso/kernel.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/s3c24xx - thanks to Thibaut Girka and Google Summer of Code. * The legacy 2.6.29rc3 kernel at http://git.debian.org/?p=pkg-fso/linux-2.6-openmoko.git also saw a slight update in August - this is still included in Debian installations by default Codename: 'sid' Homepage: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnFreeRunner Image: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Debian QtMoko [v26] Qtmoko is distribution for Openmoko Freerunner phone based on debian and qtopia. Here is a list of notable changes since previous stable version (v24): * Fixed WS (white screen) problem in qmplayer QX rotation (Gennady Kupava) * Fixed unresponsive touchscreen after resume (Gennady Kupava) * Use blue indicator is used for wifi activity (Alex Samorukov) * Reconnect wifi after resume (Alex Samorukov) * Updated QtMaze with better graphics and other enhancements (Anton Olkhovik) * We use kernel modules for bluetooth * Many updates and bugfixes to QMplayer * More reliable GPRS connection (Alex Samorukov) * Bluethooth updates * APGS and GPS standby support (Piotr Gabryjeluk) * Fixed When locked power management mode * Bigger QTerminal (no tabs whith only one session) * Raptor - GUI for apt package manager * New nice theme called finximod (Joif) * Many updates and bugfixes to Arora (Ant+Alex) * New apps - qweather (Anton Olkhovik) and qneoriod game (Bala) * PDF support in eyepiece (Alex Samorukov) For a more complete list of changes and some additional info please read the announcement mail Codename: 'v26' Homepage: http://qtmoko.org Image: images *** Applications *** Application Updates eStarDict 0.3 Offline dictionary reader made in C with Enlightenment Elementary UI. Version 0.3 of eStarDict adds support for czech-english dictionary. You have to remember, that right now it can manage only one dictionary per instance. Homepage: http://www.vaudano.eu/wiki/en/estardict Package: http://www.vaudano.eu/wiki/en/estardictDownload Tested on: SHR-Unstable,SHR-Testing *** Community *** Most important and change making mails on the mailing lists, blogs etc.. Coolest hacks, screenshots, themes etc.. * TI OMAP3 SoC + 3G replacement board preserving Neo case display - discussion about the prospect is heating up: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2010-August/062671.html * WikiReader sales and the future of Openmoko - Martix shares a truly interesting interview with Sean Moss-Pultz: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2010-August/062687.html * Glamo timing improvements (= more speed without caveats) can be done also in run time, and also pre-compiled Qi with settings set by Qi are available: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Smedia_Glamo_3362#Timing_settings *** Event News *** * 2010 Autumn German Open HardSoftware Workshop in Munich; will cover Openmoko, Beagle Board, Arduino, OpenPandora, ...; still in planing phase, Doodle scheduling link:
Re: QtMoko Virtual Memory
yeah long but thx! 2010/9/1 Gennady Kupava g...@bsdmn.com В Срд, 01/09/2010 в 12:38 +0200, David Garabana Barro пишет: It's not true for me, and it's a common misunderstanding IMHO. This is not misunderstanding, this is just one of questions which can't have only one answer. For some tasks swap is good, for others - bad. I have strong (enough for me) arguments too. Yours are strong for you, so this is just matter of situation. For testing, simply try to download tiles at zoom level 11, for the upper 6 zoom levels in tangoGPS. Better if you make it twice (moving on the map) Without swap, it will catch all available memory, and FR will get really slow, to the limit of appearing to hang, and even sometimes oomkill will start killing some random process. With swap, linux can swap unused pages (other daemon pages, not tangogps ones) and tangogps will continue running, and FR will be responsible. You only will notice some 1-4 seconds slowdown from time to time, when pages are swapped out swap is not only for creating more memory. If FR starts to massively trashing pages to swap, it will really SLOW things a lot, for sure (the same is true for your PC) But it will help *a lot* to have more memory available for running apps. Think on swap as a place where put unused memory pages, and use real RAM for currently used apps or caching files from slow uSD Swap will *ALLWAYS* help, but will help a lot more on a limited memory device, as FR Here [1] you can read more about what I'm saying. [1] http://kerneltrap.org/node/3202 Thanks for description, now my position: First of all, i do not use swap on any Linux system i am using with amount of memory =512Mb. I even do not use swap on desktop where i have tmpfs mounted to /tmp. Having something published on kerneltrap is not meant to be only possible answer, i can provide an example. Few years ago Linus believed that moving everything to userspace is good idea and this is way to go. Now i see everything is included to kernel (devfs vs udev, evdev vs tslib, kms vs userspace mode switching). But i am still at the point that every possible thing should be in userspace. I think, both points of view very extensivly published to mailing lists and both have strong grounds :) First, about swap in general. IMO, swap were introduced in absolutely different context. In 80's memory situation were completely different. --- now, real situations. 1. main swap problem is in it's nature. it will push to disk less-frequently used pages from memory but use 'freed memory'. But for me it turned out that it is impossible to predict which page is useful which is not _in future_, and it turns out that freed memory on all modern systems used to keep relatively useless huge disk cache. it's question (for me) is _huge_ disk cache is better than _meduim-sized_ disk cache in many situations. note that I found that using tmpfs is times faster than using such 'buffer' (i tested qtmoko build). having random process swapped-out also makes system very unpredictive. you may never know how long some application will start, this annoying for me, i like low latency. 1a. to apply (1) to FR. imagine you have phone app in background. it got swapped out as you did last call 8 hours ago. now, you recieve call and what? you should wait for your app to be paged back even to start hearing ring! considering fr sd io speed is 2.6M/s, and your app is for example 10M, this will take 4 seconds in best case. something have to be also discarded from memory too free up that 10M before loading your phone app. 2. situation (2) is described in [1] you pointed. i personally face it tons of times - some program (last were firefox and midming commander) just run out memory due to bug or other reasons and starts incrementally requesting swap. if you unlicky (and do not kill app in 30 seconds), you may get your terminal and most of X be unloaded to swap, and only thing you can do after that is hard reset. introducing limits will kill only really useful feature of swap - being able to load something larger than memory (3) 3. about your favorite gps application. i think it should create file and map it to memory instead of using extreme amounts of ram to store all data. In older day of swap not all systems had such ability. It's strange that sometimg became 'slow'. without swap it should never become slow, it should be just oomkilled. in fact, i do not understand this problem very well, as i think that just next malloc should return 0, or new throw bad_alloc. 4. swap on nand is special story. recently i saw really interesting article on this topic (by DocScrutinizer i think). as nand has block size of 4kb, writing (and reading) scatter pages (4k) to it may be very slow process. 5. if your distribution is on internal NAND, it may be several times faster to reload application from internal flash
Re: QtMoko v26
About devtools, am I the only one fighting against my screen to double-tap wihtout moving to launch a command? 2010/8/31 Francesco De Vita fdvj...@vodafone.it Radek please can you explain these commands in the devtools? - AGPS dump - AGPS lead - Fast Charge Mod - GPS standby enter - GPS standy leave Do you think to include a better wifi manager in next releases? the default one still causes problem (alias you must be lucky to have a working connection, at least for me). I tried wicd-curses (from Squeeze repos) and it works very well, but of course it is an app without a GUI, it could be uncomfortable for some users. thank you! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QtMoko v26
I don't understand.. there is jffs2 file already here http://sourceforge.net/projects/qtmoko/files/ 2010/8/30 Thomas HOCEDEZ thomas.hoce...@free.fr Le 29/08/2010 00:22, Petr Vanek a écrit : On Sat, 28 Aug 2010 22:31:23 +0200 Radek Polak pson...@seznam.cz (RP) wrote: qtmoko has new v26 release. You can get it from our sourceforge page Thanks for everybody who helped with this release. I hope you'll like the changes and new features. Radek and the team - congratulations! This progress is really, really impressive! Thank you! Petr If anyone has courage to backup a jffs2 image... I still have difficulties to mount my FR on windows (@work)... thanks ! -- Thomas HOCEDEZ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: a recipe for qt4-plugin-phonon-backend-vlc
Up. Nobody is interestied or wants to give me a hint ? 2010/8/27 Sylvain Paré sylvain.p...@gmail.com Hi, If someone is interested I am trying to build the vlc backend for phonon (in replacement of the gstreamer one). It needs at least libvlc 1.1 that you can found attached (David I tested it and it works!. well not very smoothly at all but I think it can be largely optimized. don't have the skill to do it plus here it is for playing sound which interests me, not video :) ) I did a recipe (attached) but it needs automoc4 which is provided by automoc-native to build. And this is where I gets stuck : automoc-native itself does not build. (According to OE's log automoc-native is ~ 2 years old.) Attached my CMakeError.log = 'Q_WS_WIN' undeclared (first use in this function) which was defined in QtCore/glogal.h but not anymore now and I don't know where it is supposed to be. I don't know how to fix this properly. If someone can help me. thx by advance! Sylvain (aka GarthPS) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Problem converting maps. was: MC Navi 0.2.10 released
Anyone ? 2010/8/24 Sylvain Paré sylvain.p...@gmail.com Hello Mike, thanks for your software! But unfortunatly for me I could not test it yet in France because of missing map for my country and because each time I try to make my map I do not succed. Or not completely I took the boundary file provided herehttp://www.gps-routes.info/index.php?name=Downloadsd_op=viewdownloadcid=3 and a region from France from geofabrik to test the generation and here is the output: osm2mcmap -bi boundary.mcb -mo map.mcm map.osm Import data from map.osm Import data 100% Sorting nodes 100% Process multipolygons 100% Process cities 100% Process nodes 100% Process ways 100% Sorting ways 100% Process relations 100% Sorting segments 100% Sorting sectors 100% Reindex segments 100% Sorting planes 100% Sorting POIs 100% Cleaning nodes 100% Sorting countries Sorting cities Sorting streets Sorting addresses Writing nodes 100% Writing cross 100% Writing segments 100% Writing ways 100% Writing plane sectors 100% Writing plane index 100% Writing planes 100% Writing cities Writing streets Writing addresses Writing POIs 100% Map statistics: -- Nodes: 193498 Sectors: 2978 Segments: 204215 Ways: 24065 Planes: 43547 Countries: 0 Cities: 0 Streets: 0 Addresses: 0 POIs: 4768 Done Is it normal to have those statistics? Of corse the generated map does not work in MCNavi : can't find any city... Thanks by advance for your help! Regards, Sylvain (aka GarthPS) 2010/8/23 Mike Crash m...@mikecrash.com Boundaries are needed for correct assigning of cities and addresses to country. It is actually don't needed, if routing to address is not required. The use of continent boundary extracts (from cloudmate) is needed, because country extract has broken boundaries - the cut area sometimes splits them. For large memory requirements - I'm currently working on more functionality (itinerary, click routing etc.). In parallel I think about optimizing of map and converting process. I need small map, so optimizing is not my current priority. But it will be next step, as I do what I want to do :). Please be patient (I have job and family). Thomas Franck wrote: You can successfully convert smaller regions though - just download precomputed boundary extract from http://www.gps-routes.info/index.php?name=Downloadsd_op=viewdownloadcid=3 and then use with -bi option. (Still won't work for germany.osm - it is too large to fit into memory space) Oh.. ic... though, as I stated in the other mail.. I was under the impression that we needed the continent boundary to do countries..? does that mean we can use like germany boundary and do cities and areas? -- View this message in context: http://openmoko-public-mailinglists.1958.n2.nabble.com/MC-Navi-0-2-10-released-tp5158145p5453961.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Qi with glamo242 timing
Hello everyone. Where can I find a Qi (not a u-boot) build with the glamo timing optimization? Thanks by advance. Sylvain ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
a recipe for qt4-plugin-phonon-backend-vlc
Hi,
If someone is interested I am trying to build the vlc backend for phonon (in
replacement of the gstreamer one).
It needs at least libvlc 1.1 that you can found attached
(David I tested it and it works!. well not very smoothly at all but I think
it can be largely optimized. don't have the skill to do it plus here it is
for playing sound which interests me, not video :) )
I did a recipe (attached) but it needs automoc4 which is provided by
automoc-native to build.
And this is where I gets stuck :
automoc-native itself does not build.
(According to OE's log automoc-native is ~ 2 years old.)
Attached my CMakeError.log = 'Q_WS_WIN' undeclared (first use in this
function)
which was defined in QtCore/glogal.h but not anymore now and I don't know
where it is supposed to be.
I don't know how to fix this properly.
If someone can help me.
thx by advance!
Sylvain (aka GarthPS)
vlc_1.1.2.bb
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qt4-plugin-phonon-backend-vlc.bb
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Re: QtMoko v25 - experimental with 2.6.34 kernel
kuuul! :) 2010/8/26 David Garabana Barro da...@garabana.com On Jueves, 26 de Agosto de 2010 11:26:56 Gennady Kupava escribió: Hi, David It have also solved rotate WSOD, is it possible? Yes. This patch _may_ also fix all kind of WSODs, in rotate, in switching to qvga, and on resume of course. We wanted to test it, but can't reliable reproduce that WSODs to see if they really fixed. Without patch I had one on every suspend and on almost every reboot when using 242 timings. And I had it on rotate even if not using 242 timings. I had not *any single* WSOD since I installed patched kernel. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: please notice if any of your wsods gone with latest shr kernel upgrade [Was: QtMoko v25 - experimental with 2.6.34 kernel ]
Is it in the feed right now ? I don't see anything 2010/8/26 Gennady Kupava g...@bsdmn.com Hi, list btw, i would be very interesting to hear if after this patch (which came with latest kernel upgrade in shr) any kind of wsods disappeared on 4-4-4 (default) glamo settings too. please write down. thanks, Gennady. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Problem converting maps. was: MC Navi 0.2.10 released
Hello Mike, thanks for your software! But unfortunatly for me I could not test it yet in France because of missing map for my country and because each time I try to make my map I do not succed. Or not completely I took the boundary file provided herehttp://www.gps-routes.info/index.php?name=Downloadsd_op=viewdownloadcid=3 and a region from France from geofabrik to test the generation and here is the output: osm2mcmap -bi boundary.mcb -mo map.mcm map.osm Import data from map.osm Import data 100% Sorting nodes 100% Process multipolygons 100% Process cities 100% Process nodes 100% Process ways 100% Sorting ways 100% Process relations 100% Sorting segments 100% Sorting sectors 100% Reindex segments 100% Sorting planes 100% Sorting POIs 100% Cleaning nodes 100% Sorting countries Sorting cities Sorting streets Sorting addresses Writing nodes 100% Writing cross 100% Writing segments 100% Writing ways 100% Writing plane sectors 100% Writing plane index 100% Writing planes 100% Writing cities Writing streets Writing addresses Writing POIs 100% Map statistics: -- Nodes: 193498 Sectors: 2978 Segments: 204215 Ways: 24065 Planes: 43547 Countries: 0 Cities: 0 Streets: 0 Addresses: 0 POIs: 4768 Done Is it normal to have those statistics? Of corse the generated map does not work in MCNavi : can't find any city... Thanks by advance for your help! Regards, Sylvain (aka GarthPS) 2010/8/23 Mike Crash m...@mikecrash.com Boundaries are needed for correct assigning of cities and addresses to country. It is actually don't needed, if routing to address is not required. The use of continent boundary extracts (from cloudmate) is needed, because country extract has broken boundaries - the cut area sometimes splits them. For large memory requirements - I'm currently working on more functionality (itinerary, click routing etc.). In parallel I think about optimizing of map and converting process. I need small map, so optimizing is not my current priority. But it will be next step, as I do what I want to do :). Please be patient (I have job and family). Thomas Franck wrote: You can successfully convert smaller regions though - just download precomputed boundary extract from http://www.gps-routes.info/index.php?name=Downloadsd_op=viewdownloadcid=3 and then use with -bi option. (Still won't work for germany.osm - it is too large to fit into memory space) Oh.. ic... though, as I stated in the other mail.. I was under the impression that we needed the continent boundary to do countries..? does that mean we can use like germany boundary and do cities and areas? -- View this message in context: http://openmoko-public-mailinglists.1958.n2.nabble.com/MC-Navi-0-2-10-released-tp5158145p5453961.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing
+1 Rui Miguel too! 2010/8/14 Rui Miguel Silva Seabra r...@1407.org Em 13-08-2010 10:56, Matthias Apitz escreveu: Em 13-08-2010 10:49, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller escreveu: Do I interpret you correclty, that your answer to my questions are: * I will wait *any* time, as long as it fulfills my opensource requirements yes; * I accept any price yes, any price in the range of my Freerunner, more or less; or even 500 euro, depends on my economic situation in that moment; Add me as a metoo if you want. I had a Nokia 6600 (I regret the 500€ but I extended them as much as I could), shortly after I learn of OpenMoko. I decided to try to keep 6600 until Freerunner comes out, but sadly one year before that I sent it for a 20 min swim. Still no Freerunner, so I get a cheap Nokia 2760 (GTA01 was clearly too early for me), lasts until today carrying my job's SIM (the work phone is *that* crappy). My main phone, carrying my personal SIM is OpenMoko and I'm treating it as carefully as I can to extend it's life well beyond the current two years, 1.5 of them with definite usage :) If it breaks, and no viable alternative exists, I hope to get an A7+, or A7, or A6, or A5+buzz fix (in this decreasing order of preference). Even with all the bugs and immaturity of the platform, I'm so passionate for Free Software I rather go through all this again than go back to proprietary phones or get a pseudo-open phone (Android/Linux, Meego, etc...). To all SHR and FSO core develpers: a *HUGE* thank you, I'm only sorry I can't help out more. Rui ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing
I totaly agree with Mattias! 2010/8/13 Matthias Apitz g...@unixarea.de El día Friday, August 13, 2010 a las 11:49:13AM +0200, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller escribió: Am 13.08.2010 um 11:37 schrieb Matthias Apitz: El día Friday, August 13, 2010 a las 11:22:02AM +0200, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller escribió: Am 12.08.2010 um 14:12 schrieb RANJAN: Hi, When is the next and more powerful openmoko (capable of seamless 3D video and faster processor) is going to be released??? Assume, you could get a motherboard upgrade board that fits into the Freerunner (or Neo1973) case. Based on the TI OMAP3 SoC (OMAP3530 or DM3730) and UMTS. Let me ask two questions to everybody: * How long could you be willing to wait for it to really become available? * How much would you think you could afford to pay for such a board? Wrong question, for me. I will not use any other 'smartphone' (computerphone), which: - is not Linux or FreeBSD driven and open as Linux/FreeBSD are normaly - does not have X11 - does not provide access by SSH to the system - does not have a resistive touchscreen (to address single pixel) So, an iPhone is no option for me; if my Freerunner will fail, I will try to get it working again, and I will wait until the next generation of OpenSource phones, even if I would have to reactivate my old Siemens S10 for some time, meanwhile waiting. Give me UNIX or give me a pencil :-) Do I interpret you correclty, that your answer to my questions are: * I will wait *any* time, as long as it fulfills my opensource requirements yes; * I accept any price yes, any price in the range of my Freerunner, more or less; or even 500 euro, depends on my economic situation in that moment; matthias -- Matthias Apitz t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e g...@unixarea.de - w http://www.unixarea.de/ Solidarity with the zionistic pirates of Israel? Not in my name! ¿Solidaridad con los piratas sionistas de Israel? ¡No en mi nombre! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Problem converting maps. was: MC Navi 0.2.10 released
Hi yes have the same problem while trying to convert the France. I am wondering if it is not a matter of size...france and germany does quite the same size. I don't speak about europ.osm, i think your are to optimistic! :) But yes please someone help us on this error Error opening file! And by the way it is not a matter of not being able to open the file because cat france.osm works for me. thanks! Sylvain (aka GarthPS) 2010/8/12 Thomas Franck thomas.fra...@gmx.com Hi.. I decided to give the converting another go.. but I keep running into the same problem: az...@wraith:/data/mcnavi$ ls -lah total 70G drwxr-xr-x 2 azral azral 4.0K 2010-08-12 09:56 . drwxrwxrwx 9 root root 4.0K 2010-08-11 22:40 .. -rw-r--r-- 1 azral azral 60G 2010-08-10 08:26 europe.osm -rw-r--r-- 1 azral azral 9.8G 2010-08-10 09:36 germany.osm az...@wraith:/data/mcnavi$ osm2mcmap -bt 0 -bo boundary.mcb europe.osm Error opening file! Error parsing file europe.osm az...@wraith:/data/mcnavi$ does anyone else has that problem? it said error opening file.. so maybe it's not where it should be? Any pointers welcome.. and I don't mean these: http://xkcd.com/138/ ;) Cheers, -- Thomas -~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ ...the best way to prepare [to be a programmer] is to write programs, and to study great programs that other people have written. In my case, I went to the garbage cans at the Computer Science Center and fished out listings of their operating system. - Bill Gates -~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Problem converting maps. was: MC Navi 0.2.10 released
It could very helpfull if Mike Crash or those whom succeded in making map like Davide Scaini could bive us some informations.. 2010/8/12 Thomas Franck thomas.fra...@gmx.com Hi.. I don't speak about europ.osm, i think your are to optimistic! :) I was under the impression that we need the continent boundary so that the map for the countries can be made.. Error opening file! And by the way it is not a matter of not being able to open the file because cat france.osm works for me. I wonder if osm2mcmap needs the osm file in a special place.. or name.. but I also renamed europe to map (as that is used in the instructions on the website) and it gave the same error.. Cheers, -- Thomas -~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ A paperless office has about as much chance as a paperless bathroom. -~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Some questions to new SHR images (ubifs, gps)
I did some quick tests Removing AGPS data did not chang a lot. It gets a fix quite normaly but it is stil not as good as before. At best I fix 4 gps (never more) over 10 visible and so my hdop stays around 4.5 So realy not very good.. Before I already manage to fix 12/12 satellites! but the average was about 6/10. If I can help to solve this let me know (I am usually on the irc) Sylvain (aka GarthPS) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
add a contact to SIM with FSO2
Hi, just a trick for those who want to save a contact to there SIM card : mdbus2 -s org.freesmartphone.ogsmd /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM.StoreEntry contacts YOURFIRSTSLOT NAME NUMBER you can find your first empty slot with thise one mdbus2 -s org.freesmartphone.ogsmd /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM.RetrievePhonebook contacts 0 250 the 250 number should depend of your sim card. ( it is the first number o f the answer to this : mdbus2 -s org.freesmartphone.ogsmd /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM.GetPhonebookInfo contacts ) There is perhaps a better way to do this but as I know this one I wanted to share. CU Sylvain (aka GarthPS) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Some questions to new SHR images (ubifs, gps)
Thanks for your feedback/tests. Just one question GTA02A5 with no capacitor on SD clock for me this 05 rev means there is a capacitor on µSD . no ? In my case I have a GTA05 with capacitor. I am on shr-u on NAND with kernel 2.6.32 so with Qi too and all uptodate. I will test it like you tomorrow. CU Sylvain 2010/7/26 Al Johnson openm...@mazikeen.demon.co.uk On Saturday 24 July 2010, Neil wrote: If you read the SHR wiki page[1] you will find a list of features. The ones with a red background are broken. GPS is broken and links to a ticket on the SHR bug tracker[2]. GPS not working after suspend is a known issue. If you have any insight into the bug (like it stopped working when I upgraded from the x.y.z kernel to the to the2.6.32 kernel), please post it to that thread. Thanks, Neil Another who has the problem [1]: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/SHR [2]: http://www.shr-project.org/trac/ticket/1085 I just did some tests on a recently installed shr-u and had no problems getting a fix, even when trying to provoke a problem. Details: GTA02A5 with no capacitor on SD clock Qi shr-full-eglibc-ipk--20100721-om-gta02.rootfs.tar.gz on ext3 mmcblk0p1, no updates Time set manually to nearest minute (SIM is outdated so no time via GSM), timezone Europe/London set by SHR not by me WiFi off, bluetooth off, gsm antenna power initially off, then on in later tests Procedure: Press power button to resume from suspend Press power button and use quick settings to disable screen dimming and suspend since I don't want to have to keep poking the screen to see what's going on Use settings app to remove agps data Start tangogps and put phone by the window, keep watching to see how long it takes to get a fix. Shut down tangogps, enable dimming and suspend, manually suspend, and repeat. The constellation must have been favourable because all 3 tests got a fix in less than 2 minutes. Just in case there's a problem with restoring agps data I repeated the tests but without removing the agps data. Again 3 tests, each with fix in ~45s. I repeated the tests just over an hour later with the gsm antenna power on in case that made a difference, and hoping the constellation may be less advantageous, but the results were similar. Now to try provoking it in a way that used to cause problems... Delete agps data. Start tangogps, let it connect to the gps but exit before it has time to get a fix. Wait, check in settings that the gps is showing 'unknown' for everything, and that the 'remove agps data' button has appeared. Do not remove the agps data. Start tangogps and see how long it takes to get a fix. This used to cause problems by loading invalid almanac and ephemeris data after powering up the gps. Depending on how lucky you were this could cause delays in getting a fix, prevent it getting a fix at all, or even cause the gps to crash and restart, leaving ogpsd rejecting the NMEA data it then produced as invalid because it wasn't in the ubx format it was looking for. Either I was very lucky, or that problem is now fixed. Again all 3 tests got a fix in under 2 minutes. To some extent I have been lucky in these tests as it is unusual to get a fix that fast that often in that location. Does anyone have any suggestions as to how I might reproduce the problems people are reporting? Setting the time to something significantly incorrect or deliberately corrupting the agps data should do it, but those shouldn't be normal occurrences. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Some questions to new SHR images (ubifs, gps)
Yop GTA05 here so no need to remove SD card to test but thx. I will put some info to the ticket. ++ 2010/7/24 Martix martix...@gmail.com Problems with GPS TTFF? Do you have GTA02 A5 with capacitor on uSD interface? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPS_Problems#Hardware_mod_related If not, maybe your kernel doesnt suspend SD card clock when SD is unused. Try GPS without inserted SD card. Regards, Martix ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Some questions to new SHR images (ubifs, gps)
I take this thread about GPS to give my feed back too. From my personal feedback I will not speak about half a year but since March or so And I do make it works but it takes more time the first time after a fresh flashed image PLUS the gps is less sensitive like the signal was weak ( It fixes less satellites) It matches with the time that Tangogps's version which drop the fixed/inview/hdop gps to fixed/hdop information (which for me a real loss for the user) I don't remember what change in shr-u in the same time that could explaine that... oh it not a switch to a vala version of a component of FSO ? anyway kkeep on that way guys!! CU Sylvain (aka GartPS) ps: shr guys, it is want you want to donate to your project! :) I already ask about it .. but it is a knind of feature of the project that miss me :p 2010/7/23 Alexander Lehner leh...@edv-buero-lehner.de On Fri, 23 Jul 2010, Christ van Willegen wrote: On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 8:27 PM, Alexander Lehner leh...@edv-buero-lehner.de wrote: - It seems that the ubifs is read-only. How do I install applications then? It shouldn't be read-only, and you get lots of problems if it is! OK, after the 3rd reboot the / was mounted rw (somehow magically, but I don't care). But still the GPS question remains open: r...@om-gta02 ~ # gpspipe -r netlib_connectsock() returns socket on fd 3 GPSD,W=1,A=?,T=?,C=1.00,E=? ? ?,N=0,A=?,B=?,L=3 0.8 abcdefgijklmnopqrstuvwxyz,E=? ? ?,T=?,R=1,U=?,E=? ? ?,N=0,M=1,E=? ? ?,A=?,T=?,R=0,U=?,E=? ? ? GPSD,O=? GPSD,Y=? GPSD,O=? GPSD,Y=? So fso-gpsd is running, but it cannot 'talk' to the chip, it seams... A. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Some questions to new SHR images (ubifs, gps)
oh no don't get me wrong : it is not a tangogps issue. I said it was in the same time that tango droped satellite in view info in gui (which reinforce the impression of bad gps to the user) and yes I wanted to make a mail about it since at least two month... :) But now it is confrimed (by everyone?) it should be taking attention. (I hope) 2010/7/23 Alexander Lehner leh...@edv-buero-lehner.de On Fri, 23 Jul 2010, David Garabana wrote: O Venres, 23 de Xullo de 2010 21:25:50 Sylvain Paré escribiu: I take this thread about GPS to give my feed back too. From my personal feedback I will not speak about half a year but since March or so And I do make it works but it takes more time the first time after a fresh flashed image PLUS the gps is less sensitive like the signal was weak ( It fixes less satellites) Also, with latest images, I cannot get a fix after a suspend. I have to restart to get a fix again. I cannot even see time on shr-settings-position It's so sad, because gps was the only rock solid funtionality on my Neo since OM2008 series. I have used it a lot to map Openstreetmap, but since 2.6.32 kernel update, it's useless as a gps (unless you doesn't suspend it, but that way battery doesn't last so much) Exactly. The GPS of the FreeRunner was/(is) so cool, that it even beats modern Garmins. I got fixes within closed rooms where the Garmins didn't. Now I don't get a fix at all, even outdoor. At least I'm glad to see that I'm not the only one with this issue. But I don't think it's a tangoGPS thing, because gpspipe also reports nothing (see previous mail), so my feeling is that it is a kernel related question. I'm just wondering that everybody is happy with a broken GPS since March? A. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: MC Navi 0.2.10 released
Hello, I did nearly the same thing for France and I had the same issue! osm2mcmap -bt 0 -bo boundary.mcb france.osm.administrative all good then osm2mcmap -bi europe.administrative.mcb -mo map.mcm france.osm = Error opening file! Error parsing file france.osm (which is about 12Go) And a cat france.osm works, so it is not a permission issue. So help is welcome too! ++ 2010/7/8 undrwater undrwa...@verizon.net Mike Crash wrote: All is here: http://www.gps-routes.info/index.php?name=Contentpa=showpagepid=1 If you have problems with boundary data, download boundary OSM file from Cloudmate at http://downloads.cloudmade.com e.g. http://downloads.cloudmade.com/north_america/united_states/washington/washington.osm.administrative.bz2 I have not tried for US, there are only boundaries for states (e.g. Washington), not the whole country, it may not have complete (closed polygon) boundaries. Also you should skip the boundaries step, but this may omit the addresses. I will do some experiments with USA and Germany in the (near) future. The development is not over, 0.2.11 is out with itinerary... If you do experiment with USA, here's a request for California. I just did the following: Downloaded: california.osm.administrative.bz2, california.osm.bz2 Extracted: both using bunzip2 Ran: osm2mcmap -bt 0 -bo boundary.mcb california.osm.administrative which created boundary.mcb without errors Ran: osm2mcmap -bi boundary.mcb -mo map.mcm california.osm which reports: Error opening file! Error parsing file california.osm as before. Is this the correct sequence? Thanks! Russell Dwiggins -- View this message in context: http://openmoko-public-mailinglists.1958.n2.nabble.com/MC-Navi-0-2-10-released-tp5158145p5272084.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: My N900 experience compared to my FR experience (was: Re: [QtMoko] handset is (almost) unusable for voice calls with background noise)
Thanks a lot for your ffedback! hey and waht about Noko? :) CU Sylvain (aka GarthPS) 2010/7/8 Nicola Mfb nicola@gmail.com On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 10:12 PM, Michal Brzozowski ruso...@poczta.fm wrote: [...] I'd like to hear how the N900 compares to the FR in hackability. Like replacing pieces of software, like keyboard, window manager, etc. I wasn't able to find much information about this. It seems there is only one distribution that fully works on the N900, which is quite worrying. Hi Michal, I have an n900 too since last November, here my (hoping agnostic) review: Hardware: Great, overclockable to 1Ghz (seems without problems), battery life of several days *without* suspend, 3d accelerated graphics, 32 GB eMMC (+ slot for SD expansion), 256 MB flash, 256 MB ram, nice screen resolution of 800x480, good TS (even with finger only), FM receiver and *transmitter*, proximity sensor, IR transmitter, accelerometer, 5Mb zeiss rear camera, front camera, *superb* audio quality and 3.5G module, wifi, bt, video output, stereo speaker, etc. End User Experience: Not comparable to the freerunner one. Maemo has a lot of defects but using it you feel immediately it has a common layout, defined api and gui guidelines. This may appear as a limit, but from the End User experience is very nice! All apps (nokia, community or thirdy part) follow this principles, are integrated with the DE and with the middleware quite nice. The phone application is based on telepathy, so due to its multiprotocol nature supports gsm voice calls, skype, voip, and so on. The same for sms and chat integrated in the conversation app. There are a lot of plugins (google, msn, etc.) to extend it. The DE has a nice 4 pages home, you switch by dragging them, on every page you may add shortcuts to applications, contacts (that shows the picture and the IM online status, so it's easy and natural using a skype/voip call instead of gsm one and save money!), web bookmarks and widgets that make the user able to highly customize the desktop. Finally there are pluggable status area and power button menu. Task switching is performed with a very nice composite dashboard where you see thumbnails of current running apps (that are updated in realtime). All that is full finger friendly and there is a stylo inside the n900 when you need, (actually I use it only for precise web browsing without the need of zooming in/out). The virtual keyboard is full integrated with customized input methods of gtk and qt (I do not know about other toolkits), so when you tap on a text field you'll have a qwerty (not transparent) portrait keyboard showing the current editing text. If you open/close the HW keyboard the virtual one will hide/show. As you may guess peoples does not feel the necessity to change the WM or the VK because you loose the high number of pluggable widgets in the home, the status area and the toolkit interaction with the keyboard. The package management system is apt, there is an integrated GUI that will show only a specific section of the available apps, so the end user will see only good sense applications with descriptions and icons (of course the power user may use xterm or ssh to see the full contents of the repositories). The status area will signal with a blinking square where an update is available, so you may be uptodate with a couple of finger taps. The network manager works very well and handles wifi and 3g connections. Just a concrete user experience (a my tipical day): I have a voip public telephony (like skypein) account (eutelia) and skype configured, a 5euro/month 3GB umts data option on my sim, wifi networking at home and at work, google contacts synchronization and 3 email account configured. My network manager is configured to always on. The alarm wakes up me every morning (and works reliably), then I put the device online, automagically it connects to my home wifi network, signs up to skype and eutelia, check for emails, does the first sync with google, updates the weather and the rss and the personal ip address widgets on the desktop. When going to work, as my home wifi is not more reachable the n900 automagically start a 3g connection. I may check the sent/received statistics with another widgets that updates informations in real time on the desktop to be sure I'm not reaching the 3G/month limit, and anyway in the settings manager I may set to be advised every time x MB of traffic was generated. While using my car I start the mediaplayer and the FM transmitter (with another desktop widget), put the device near the car stereo and listen for some music or use sygic voice assisted gps navigation where going to unknown places. When I arrive in the office it automagically stops it and connects to work wifi and so on until I put it offline in the night. Every x minutes it continues to update widgets, and signal incoming email, IM messages,
Re: palm pre
Ask there for a start http://wiki.freesmartphone.org/index.php/Palm_Pre:_Jan_2010_-_%3F http://wiki.freesmartphone.org/index.php/Palm_Pre:_Install_FSO ++ GarthPS 2010/6/7 Chuck Norris norris.ch...@mail.ru Does anybody know if it is possible buy locked palm pre and install linux into? Will gsm or palm itself work or not? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Surveying community expectations on openmoko governance
The must one is microsoft acces sorry , not for me... 2010/6/6 jeremy jozwik jerjoz.for...@gmail.com On Sun, Jun 6, 2010 at 9:19 AM, Marvel Onwuka openhardware2...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi everybody, Please follow this link: http://cgi.tu-harburg.de/~somo1774/survey/index.php?sid=19333newtest=Ylang=enhttp://cgi.tu-harburg.de/%7Esomo1774/survey/index.php?sid=19333newtest=Ylang=en so, why is this page asking me for a user name and password? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QtMoko v24
I mean from my laptop point of view the usb network interface of my FR under Qtmoko is not the same as under SHR for example. so I need to add/change my laptop interface config to ssh into Qtmoko. that is the inconvenient :) thx 2010/6/2 Radek Polak pson...@seznam.cz On Tuesday 01 June 2010 15:08:07 Sylvain Paré wrote: Is it possible to change le name of th usb interface to be the same as other distro (like HSR :) ) i.e eth1 and not usb0 I dont know - i thought it depends whether you boot with uboot or qi (qi sets the MAC address and uboot not). What is the problem with current naming scheme? Regards Radek ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QtMoko v24
Thanks for your work!! stupid question perhaps already asked: Is it possible to change le name of th usb interface to be the same as other distro (like HSR :) ) i.e eth1 and not usb0 Thanks again! 2010/6/1 ghislain ghisl...@basetrend.nl Georgy, I will look into the openmobile images as soon as possible to get ssh fixed. Ghislain BaseTrend - openmobile.nl -- View this message in context: http://openmoko-public-mailinglists.1958.n2.nabble.com/QtMoko-v24-tp5122856p5125851.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [gta02-core] Openmoko Beagle Hybrid
kudos! 2010/5/11 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@computer.org Am 11.05.2010 um 17:50 schrieb Michael Trimarchi: Hi, RANJAN wrote: A really good idea.Looking forward to its release. R.Sriranjan On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 1:26 PM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@computer.orgwrote: I don't know why it's usefull, sorry for the question. If you can give me a board that replace the gta02 board and I can reuse battery and display and keyboard, that's can be great but other type of solution change openmoko on a developement board You are completely right in your expectation that we share. We would be happier if we could offer a motherboard replacement for the Freerunner. With OMAP and UMTS. But as Werner has already found out in the GTA02-core project this is still very far from becoming reality. The complexity is balancing circuit design with availability and cost of chips, and pcb layout with production processes. Nevertheless, the great open source mobile phone software developed by this community (SHR, QtMoko, FSO etc.) needs to have modern open and documented hardware to keep pace with pretededly-open platforms like iPhone, WebOS, etc. Therefore, this Openmoko Beagle Hybrid board gives us a tool to develop mobile applications with state of the art performance (except form factor). We, a small team of hardware developers, will continue to work on integrating everything better - but this is a long way to go. I am sure we will finally succeed because we have decided to do so, but I don't know when. So it is better to have something suboptimal than nothing... Nikolaus Michael There is now a new Wiki page for the project: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Openmoko_Beagle_Hybrid I have received some questions why we did not put all this into a nice design. The main reason is that we can't redesign the Beagleboard (it has fixed dimensions) and we can't afford to build plastic injection moulds (if someone has an idea how to reduce cost this is very welcome). So the easiest solution was to combine what we have: a given Beagleboard and the Freerunner case. Other questions were what one could do with this. Here some ideas (not assuming it is complete - you may have more and it is a platform for your creativity): • experimenting with touchscreen and new user interfaces on Beagleboard • learn how the OMAP3530 CPU works • make it a truly open mobile application development platform by adding a battery pack and a UMTS usb stick • investigate how an Openmoko with UMTS and OMAP3530 feels (not from haptics but screen operation and UMTS speed) • porting SHR, QtMoko, Android, etc. to ARM-Cortex A8 And here some feature list: • PCB that fits into Freerunner case (top cover and middle part after cutting a hole) • works also without such a case (except speakers and earset) • Toppoly LCM interface (same display as used in the Freerunner - otherwise it would not fit into the case) • TSC2007 touch screen controller • Microphone • Earset and Speaker connector (for those sitting in the Freerunner case) • 2 buttons (AUX and Power) • 2 dual color LEDs (in the AUX and Power buttons) • vibracall driver • headset jack to connect microphone, earset and speaker For the software, we have to rearrange the code on our server a little and then it will be made public. Finally, here you can do preorders: http://www.handheld-linux.com/wiki.php?page=Openmoko%20Beagle Nikolaus ___ gta02-core mailing list gta02-c...@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/gta02-core ___ gta02-core mailing list gta02-c...@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/gta02-core ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
