> And to give my 2 Eurocents to the everything as root discusion.
> Running user apps as root must end, better soon.
what exactly speaks against creating a regular user? did anyone try it
already?
and where exactly is "root" as default user stored?
_
> Of course you can create another user, as you are used to on any unix
> system.
> It just doesn't ship with one because the distro comes in ready-to-deploy
> images, not with a installer like the binary-distro-people are used to.
sure? i think it possible that some things won't work when non-roo
>> So we just need to wrap 'save' and 'restore' scripts around the gpsd
>> script?
>
>
> Basically yes, but this won't fix the problem. It's for later when the
what exactly is the gpsd for, anyway?
looking at my fr yesterday i noticed it is not installed anymore, if it
ever was, that is, (and no
> speaking of suspend mode: When is the Freerunner supposed to suspend
> automatically? After a certain time with the Lock Screen active, or
> after a certain time with no user input?
the latter, i think.
> Note that the latter causes
> problems when there is constant random „input“ (Freerunner i
>> > right? And is there a way to manually put the Freerunner to screen?
>> "put to screen"?
> sorry, put to sleep or put to suspend – too many s-words in my mind at
> the same time :-)
power menu has a "lock display" entry -- might send the fr to bed.
else, maybe somewhere below /sys/ ...
> Als
> Today I powered up my gps the first time and got a fix after 80 seconds.
> I was on a hill in a small village outside in a garden under a apple
> tree and the Freerunner was standing upright. Then I rebooted it and got
> an other fix in 80 seconds again. I've been using agps-gui. Much better
> th
have a look at the archives -- there were some lengthy threads about that
recently ...
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> not hate just pure and unhealthy insane envy
well, envy me, too :-)
on my way home i went to a known good spot and started agpsui without much
avail.
after that i run a little script from the wiki
echo 1 > the file
/sys/devices/platform/s3c2440-i2c/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/neo1973-pm-gps.0/
> I ran into that immediately. The terminal is unusable without a slash
> key. That tells me that nobody is actually using that terminal app to do
> anything, but rather that it's only been used tethered by USB.
>
> But I looked and couldn't find a bug report on this. Is it possible that
> no
as promised, i uploaded a tar ball with everything belonging to claws-mail
to ginguppin.de/node/17
included are libetpan11 and ibgnutls, at least libetpan11 (whatever it
does) is not available from the feeds.
if dependencies are missing, drop a mail.
> Many of the things people are asking abo
> Maybe we should only insert the card once the fix is acquired. At
> least at times where we want to use both GPS and SD. Not much of a
> solution, but it still act as a workaround (provided the GPS is able
> to keep the fix once the SD is re-inserted).
inserting the sd card requires the batter
> I was curious if there was implemented support for WPA-PEAP with the
> GTA02 WLAN chip? I'm receiving errors about WPA-EAP, PEAP, and TKIP
> unable to parse.
well, tkip works -- could you be more specific?
what errors exactly?
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> network={
> ssid="PAL2.0"
> scan_ssid=1
> key_mgmt=WPA-EAP
> eap=PEAP
> identity="username"
> password="password"
> auth_alg="TKIP"
> }
>
hm. the wpa_supplicant.conf of my laptop quotes the following example
network={
# ssid="example"
# key_mgmt=WPA-EAP
#
> How will this differ from
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Openmoko:Community_Portal
>
> And why would we want multiple wiki's with the same info?
my thoughts exactly
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> 3. Sometimes when power management is set on dim & lock, my phone will
> go
> asleep and will not wake up. I have to tap the power button to wake it
> up into
> the lock screen, and thereafter my GSM will not work.
i am given to understand, that this is the intended behaviour.
in fact, the
> From all the Openmoko employees nobody has realized that the GPS is
> broken. Why have you not used the phone yourselves? Why are you abusing
> the community in such a shameless way?
would you please be less insulting!
those personal abuses, not at least by jay in regard to joerg are not
helpi
> Basically all of my experience writing UIs is on the web. I'd like to
> run a webserver on the phone, so I can write dirt-simple UIs that way,
> rather than getting tied up in GTK/e/Qt.
jikes! why would one do that?
- any correctly designed webserver would hinder you from accessing the
files
> Hmm, I swear i have answered this a couple of days ago... too many
> mailing
> lists where not all people are subscribed to.
you did -- to me and on the very same list.
maybe the signature of the list _should_ mention the existence of the list
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well, every one of the leds has a file trigger below /sys/.
once i got at least "charging-full" working by echoing the string into
/sys/...led/../trigger, so the led lit up when the bar was full.
after that i created
/etc/sysfs.conf
with basically the echos (well, w/o echo and as key=value)
the
>> This will still be a problem for those GPS applications loading big
>> maps from SD, I assume.
>
> Only if the GPS app is trying to read maps from SD during the time the
> GPS is
> getting the initial fix. Once we have the fix the required signal level
> is
> lower, so even with the SD enabl
> mobile. However, using a good web browser engine as a UI platform
> alternative to native toolkits has been successfully done before.
well, still strikes me as ... to be moderate ... odd, not at least in
respect to the plethora of available gui toolkits or languages (qt, gtk,
e-something, py
> Also, many developers feel that web technologies provide for easier and
> faster UI development than at least some of native toolkits.
doing web development since a few years for a living (and seldom for fun!)
i am still annoyed by the predicaments and restrictions of web
applications. at an
which stack/image?
with 2007.2 the dialog comes back, when entering the wrong number and i
get it by tapping the gsm icon and selecting "power antenna up" (at least
if not logged in to the gsm network).
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> Why is makefile still downloading the previous buggy images of gta01.
afaik is qemu unable to handle the gta02 images, only gta01.
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> Wow thats fantastic! First I have heard.
>
> Gladly I will admit to raising a non-issue, sorry.
i absolutely don't think it is a "non-issue" -- on the contrary!
besides tony tu from openmoko he is the only one claiming to get a
lifetime of 100h or more.
i'd pretty much like to know how he doe
asking the same questions i came up with these answers:
> Should I think of u-boot as the OpenMoko version of Grub?
kinda. and some kind of bios, maybe.
> In which
> case why can't opkg update this?
because (that's what i figured out) it's binary data and written directly.
the area might not
> opkg update was ok but then upgrade ran until my ssh connection was
> dropped.
dunno why dropbear drops the connection on upgrade, ususally existing
connections shouldn't be affected. maybe one of dropbear's .preinst or
.postinst scripts causes the restart.
try
nohup opkg upgrade &
the upg
> This is how I do it.
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Nomeata
read it already, but that should basically be the same as dim&lock,
shouldn't it?
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> dim&lock != suspend :-)
i learned yesterday that
dim&lock == suspend
and the messages scrolling over the screen before the lock screen comes
back when [pressing pwr | incoming call | fr wakes up frequently] prove
that imho.
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>> /etc/init.d/xsmthing-nodm restart
>> seems _not_ to work!
> ^
>
> IIRC it half works, it will shutdown but not start the X server.
if the name is "restart" it still not works ... :-)
but it seems to be a matter of timing -- when doing from ssh
/etc/init.d/xsmthing-nodm stop
> XUL requires a gecko based browser and last I heard, wasn't very
> efficient. Given that the freerunner browser is going to be based on
> webkit, this isn't ideal :)
minimo is available and minimo seems to run xul -- at least i got a xul
based app, that seems to run smoothly on minimo. i did n
scott,
could you please disable html mails and send only plain text?
thanks
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> I'll work on it and report back. Are we compiling a database of which
> SIMs work, which don't and which need to be fooled with a little?
what we came up with until now was:
3g (umts) sim with 1.8V are known to fail. om is working to fix that.
your description rather indicates an individual f
the sim holder has the shape of a correctly seated sim embossed ...
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> Dim+nolock is choosen, as dim+lock seems to crash the device and I have
> to remove the battery to reboot (nothing else works). Does anybody else
dim+lock is supposed to wake only when you touch the power button, imo.
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> Sure, but that doesn't seem to stop most of the world from doing it for
> desktop applications as well... ;-)
people are wearing black lace blouses with pink bras (just seen in the
tube) -- it does not mean that it is a good idea ...
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>> Are we not pioneers of the open source mobile phone revolution?
>
> And remember: It's the pioneers who take the arrows.
not if the go along well with the native tribes ... ;-)
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try
opkg search Xlib* | grep python
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> I really like the alternative themes, but did not find how to change
> the default to an alternative theme.
> Ideas?
the theme of the fr gui as whole is controlled by a parameter in
/etc/matchbox/session
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> [regarding Jay Vaughan]
> *IF THIS ISSUE was that trivial, did you reported the solution?*
i think everything to be said is said already -- and more than once and
necessary.
while everybody is free to repeat those rants over and over if would be
for the best of the list if it could
STOP
rig
On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 18:02:08 +0200, Bastian Feder
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hey,
> in my /etc/matchbox/session there is nothing obvious pointing to the
> display locker.
> ...
> just to led you know ;o)
nice to know.
it was a bit of a misunderstanding -- i referred erroneously to the theme
> I don't know the internals of the Linux memory card stack, but would it
> be possible to modify the kernel to turn the power off (or at least the
as far as i understand, that is exactly what andy's current patch is doing
(for the sole purpose of power saving) and what is considered as a
soft
> Not sure myself of the clear separation between community and support
> lists, but perhaps this is more of a support question?
come on, it's a dear old evergreen on this list ... i'd really miss it if
it was to move.
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> My local network is 192.168.0.0/24, so it makes a problem to route to
> Freerunner default IP... I use this script as root on my Fedora host
> laptop to take care of assigning an IP and hst route and whenever I hook
> a Freerunner up
why don't you simple change the ip?
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searched thru the code ammased by mokomakefile but did not find a file
matching.
in debian (unstable) it is in
python-xlib
which has Architecture: all
because deb and ipk are rather close, you might even be able to install a
debian package.
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> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# matchbox-panel-2 --start-applets systray,startup
> --end-applets
>
> ** (matchbox-panel-2:1878): WARNING **: Missing argument for
> --end-applets
it should be one line from matchbox-panel-2 until --titlebar &
matchbox-panel-2 --start-applets systray,startup --end-applets
> What's wrong with 100's of resumes / day, as long as each one takes no
> longer
> than 2~3sec, and is on low power profile?
the screen becomes senstive to tapping -- and if your fr is in a place
where taps to the screen might occur frequently (say in your bag) it will
never suspend.
btw: a
> Touchscreen is not a "wake from suspend" source, so as you suggest it
> didn't get to suspend to make this trouble.
not sure i understand you correctly, but several times i experience that
the fr, while seemingly in suspended state, answers to a screen tap
showing several console messages (w
> You and Arne are quite right, suspend is subject to random wakes from
> GSM world too at the moment and that can lead to the same result.
> Carsten wants to deal with wakes in his daemon so we're waiting on that.
is there a way to detect when it wakes? a hook to plug custom actions
into? then
> And what is it that stops us from disabling ts, just reenabling it when
> we see
> a valid wake-source to stay in user-land (e.g. inbound call, RTC,
> powerbutton...)?
my question exactly.
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> I'm thinking of getting out of this mailing list because it fills up my
> inbox each day. Can someone please create a forum instead. I've been
> part of a lot of mailing lists and this one is too much.
please, check the archives and the wiki -- there are fora already.
else you could follow t
> waiting on backlight to be left alone. daemon is done and already in ASU
> and
> being used by both illume and qtopia. backlight will come on on wake
> right now
> regardless until ompower (the daemon) changes its policy (code). :)
how toolkit specific is that daemon?
i do use 2007.2 and wo
> please also test http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html
that's great -- another step towards an one-stop.
in opera it is rendered as an iframe to small to fit so the content needs
scrolling -- but with firefox3 it is no iframe but simply cut off if the
window is too small.
resizing the window
add the keyboard icon to the top left list. look in the archive for this
list how to do that.
after that you can tap the icon and the keyboard will appear or disappear
accordingly.
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> I would like to know how to redesign the keyboard to give it bigger
> buttons so that I can use my finger instead of the stylus? The current
> matchbox keyboard's keys are way too small.
probably here:
matchbox-keyboard-ui.c
resp in
openembedded/packages/matchbox-keyboard/files/smallscreen-font
> I think it would be a sane policy to prevent the screen from locking
> during a conversation so that you don't need to unlock it just to hang
> up. Don't you think ?
nope. it would mean that you might accidently execute any kind of action
available by tapping just because your ear is funny sha
imho the number of people adverse to top postings equals more or less the
number of people being annoyed by down-postings.
just recently i got mail over 4 pages (with a screen 19200x1200 and 11px
font!) with just one (and above all rather meaninmgless) sentence below.
ususally i know from the
>> If your going to quote the email your replying to, please reply above
>> the quotation.
>>
>> Its hard enough wading through 300 emails a day without having to page
>> down to see the reply.
>
> Are you with openmoko?? Do you have any authority? You don't have an
> openmoko address.
how does it
If your going to quote the email your replying to, please reply above
the quotation.
Its hard enough wading through 300 emails a day without having to page
down to see the reply.
>>> Are you with openmoko?? Do you have any authority? You don't have an
>>> openmoko address.
i put epdfview up to http://www.ginguppin.de/node/18
surprisingly enough you don't need any other libraries -- all dependencies
are in the repositories.
just do
opkg install epdfview_somenumbers.ipk
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> tank you very much, i will put the address in the wiki if you agree.
for the time being by all means.
still need to dig into that user repository stuff -- for the moment i am
busy struggling with JLex and Cup ...
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> When we do an "opkg update && opkg upgrade" what is potentially
> overwritten?
please, have a look at the archives and the wiki (should by now have an
entry).
in short: kernel and root can be updated by opkg, uboot not.
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> OK so let's take this to the extreme- if I were to post something like
> "From now on, the official rule is, no one can use the word 'code' on
> this mailing list." You would be wrong to ask me if I had any
> authority, right? And I would be correct to respond with "no one does,
> therefore we
http://www.ginguppin.de/node/19
built links the other day.
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> When running an SD card install of Debian on the FR
you do? can you elaborate how to do that? i mean debian, not sd.
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> Wouldn't it be better for such common softwares to refer to the Angstrom
> repository?
yes, it would.
but as i wrote before -- i am pretty busy right now and for the
foreseeable future fighting with the secrets of jlex and cup.
hitting enter for make build-package-foo and sending the ipk to my
not sure, where g_ether comes into the picture, but what's wrong with
ifconfig?
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> freerunner (openmoko)? (I believe that it is the same problem for
> other Scandinavians etc. )
since it is a problem of nearly everybody speaking (or rather writing) a
latin alphabet based language other than english, it will work some day in
a hopefully not too far future.
sadly enough i cu
> It may be possible to use GSM call towers to give a good enough location
> for these rules.
a gsm cell is usually much bigger than most restaurants -- and gps might
not be available inhouse.
btw: a rule that analyses calendar entries and depending of the character
of the appointment disables
> it does not let me change the MAC. It always says: resource busy.
you need to shut down the interface before.
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> Awesome, nobody ever mentioned this marvel... got to give this a try
> tonight!
let us know how it turned out!
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hi, the xml you posted to the wiki was not well formed.
i fixed it but since i lost my wiki password, i can't update the page.
i append the xml here -- maybe someone puts it in there (hope, it gets not
distorted ...).
did you check if your wav matches the paramters of the sample used
(frequency, bits, ...)?
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> the keyboard - some scandinavian letters etc?
självklart ;-)
have a look at the file -- from my short glance yesterday it seems you
just define the rows and what each button should be.
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are there some screenshots available or youtube snippets, so one can check
it out w/o installing?
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just to add to the tracker by someone with access:
find in
/var/lib/opkg/daily-armv4t
the line saying
Package: openmoko-mediaplayer2
a few lines below there's the md5sum -- change that to
8283330cff9f057487b653fec7b11b6e
afterwards the install should work flawlessly.
be aware that once a new versio
i just plugged the headset in to try calling my voice box. while the sound
is loud enough w/h headset, in the headset it was some low mumbling.
while the box mumbled i tried alsamixer but none of the sliders changed
anything!
i never really understood alsa and those state-files are not really
> According to the filename, this uImage.bin has the patch in
>
> http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200807/20080722/uImage-2.6.24+git23+1d04b142ffeaa15129f046751f1366b0f0614f47-r0-om-gta02.bin
how did you tell? by looking at the md5sum?
btw: why can't these packages not simply have a
>> btw: why can't these packages not simply have a date in the name, maybe
>> with a time, too?
>>
>
> These signify which git tree/revision is built.
>
> The date is in the folder names containing it.
doesn't help with opkg -- from looking at the package's name you cannot
tell if your kernel is
> patch also address the call clarity issue? also, do i get the patch if i
as far as i remember there were one or to post which _thought_ it possible
that the sd card _might_ influence call clarity.
but there was and is no evidence for that idea.
> install a daily build or do i need to build i
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# md5sum /usr/bin/dfu-util
> 84f0bd60bef2450e57bda627254faf3a /usr/bin/dfu-util
where did you get it from and on what platform are you using it?
i got mine from the debian repositories and it works well -- so, other
linux distributions might have it, too.
_
>> afair the latest uboots allow ext3, too, of what use a journal ever
>> might
>> be with an sd card.
>
> No fsck. An 8G SD with lots of little files would take a while to fsck
> after a crash.
sounds sensible, indeed.
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> pulseaudiot
nice freudian slip ;-)
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> I'm really quite surprised it managed to ship in this condition, when
> the fix is fundamentally a hardware one.
yikes. i think your record is broken ...
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> I have installed my (screen only) invisible shield.
how big is it? fits exactly the visible part of the screen? or does it
match the real screen size?
and how easy to apply (bubbles and so)?
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> Let's hear a vote or proposal!
the idea crossed my mind too the other day.
would be a nice thing to have but of course it requires rather much
attention (far from everything in the sources buids actually and updating
w/ mokomakefile seems absolutely not to pull in the newest code).
> I made a start on documenting the more interesting /sys files here:
>
> ~ http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_sysfs
nice!
i fiddled around with ...leds/.../trigger (actually, i modified the
sysfsutils script from debian to run on the fr, will post this evening)
and set blue to full and orang
> Well, I'd be the one building my own code. The build host 'only' needs
> to be up to date wrt. the compilers and openembedded stuff. No need to
> build 'all the code all day'.
not sure i understand you correctly: i thought rather of smth like a
webinterface, offering a list of available packag
> Didn't want to protect dirt and smudges.
why not? you never get 'em back -- ta panta rhei!
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> keyboard,openmoko-panel-battery,openmoko-panel-gsm,openmoko-panel-gps,openmoko-panel-usb,openmoko-panel-bt,openmoko-panel-memory,openmoko-panel-wifi
> --titlebar &
this should be _one_ line (in case it wasn't only a line break of the mail
client).
did you restart X or reboot?
somebody with access to the wiki might put the following there ...
sysfsutils (at least on debian/unstable) contains a script, that reads a
configfiole on startup and sets values in /sys/ accordingly.
i modified the script to run an the freerunner (basically removed the
debian specific bits).
> Don't you have access to the wiki?
nope. lost my creds somewhere -- and to be honest, i never got the hang of
this whole wiki thing ... at least when it comes to creating pages from
scratch.
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> If you've been mismanaged/micromanaged so badly that you've had to adopt
> what Neitzche called the "Sklavmoral"-- or "I'm not paid to think, I'm
well, nietzsche told a lot of stuff and ended up in the funny farm in due
time ... and if his own morale was that much better than sklavenmoral i
> have you got libusb somewhere? OSX needs it too, btw ..
according to google libusb is available via fink.
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> Everybody, get a Micro-SD card and stick it in your Neo. Put some
should that apply to multiboot or to _every_ use of the sd card?
i use suspend/resume more or less successfully for a week or 10 days now
and the files on my sd card (4gb, how do i determine the exact name from a
running syst
please, check the archives -- this has been discussed several times
already.
there's even a python script available.
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> `weiss' is actually no german word at all.
how's that?
it's both a verb (from wissen) and and adjective/adverb (color)! and it's
correctly spelled (as far as correctly is a category because only
officials are compeled to use the afficial orthography).
instead of simply killing that stupid li
> Stuff like dhclient/udhcpcd and/or NetworkManager manages the
> resolv.conf for you. AFIAK the problem is that the current firmwares do
> not properly support this via GUI.
what he's talking about is, probably, that most people try the first steps
by _usb_ connection!
and usually (even if you
> I don't care for normative debates on orthography. I simply stated that
> `weiss' is no german word as my assumed explanation of why it is not
> recognized.
ok. autopilot got it wrong ... ;-)
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