Neng-Yu Tu (Tony Tu) wrote:
Yes, we don't have unified warranty policy yet, but this does not mean
we don't take the responsibility for user get bad devices.
Define bad...
It's a little vague -- does 'bad' simply mean DOA like was announced by
Steve several months ago regarding the
Scott Derrick wrote:
Not sure how to proceed now. Is Openmoko going to be taking FR's back
for repairs?
Several of us have asked whether trying the hardware fix will void/limit
our warranties on the Freerunners, but I don't recall seeing any
official answer from Openmoko one way or the
Sean/Michael/Community:
It's been asked several times, especially regarding the GPS/SD fixes
and people ordering pico-farad capacitors and soldering irons ... I'm
hoping that at some point the squeaky wheel cliche will work itself
out and we'll get an answer.
The boxes the Freerunners came in
.
-id
ian douglas wrote:
Sean/Michael/Community:
It's been asked several times, especially regarding the GPS/SD fixes
and people ordering pico-farad capacitors and soldering irons ... I'm
hoping that at some point the squeaky wheel cliche will work itself
out and we'll get an answer
Ken Restivo wrote:
They actually hire people to sit around and snoop people's UserAgent strings?
It's easy to automate since surfing non-SSL sites should send your HTTP
headers in plain text, so they you can simply watch the packets and keep
track of data counts, browsers, etc. for each wireless
Ken Restivo wrote:
Is there a specific limit? How do they *know* you are tethering? What are the
overage fees and where are they detailed?
From what I've read, they watch your traffic for things like user agent
strings (if they see an HTTP header specifying that you're using
Firefox, it's
You'll probably need the PDA Personal plan, that's what they recommend
to smartphone users, which the Freerunner will qualify as, in their opinion.
But GPRS data transfer is still being worked on, so hold off paying the
$30/month for unlimited data just yet.
-id
Dimitri wrote:
I've set up an
Just don't try tethering (using your phone as a modem) on their cheap
data plan, or they'll hit you with overage fees or tell you to convert
to the smarthphone plan.
-id
Steven ** wrote:
My understanding is that it's marketing BS and there isn't much (if
any) difference between those
connection, it connects fine.)
Could it be an issue with my 3g blazing sim? I would guess no, since it
works just fine when making/receiving calls and text messages.
Dimitri
ian douglas-2 wrote:
You'll probably need the PDA Personal plan, that's what they recommend
to smartphone users
Paul Buede wrote:
the coverage isn't great in the rural areas I find myself. When driving
around, if out of reach of tmobile, it will say registering as if
there is no sim card. But, on the little image of the antenna, that
shows how strong my connection is, I still have 2 bars. Is that a
Joachim Steiger wrote:
ian douglas wrote:
Michael,
Can you alter the mailing list so the list's address is set as the
default Reply-To value like the community list?
please not.
Simply hitting Reply (instead of Reply-to-All) seems to send replies to
the authors of the posts.
thats
ezuall wrote:
Potential, that is the first word that comes to mind when I think about and
play with my freerunner. I spent months absolutely obsessively waiting for
the release, but when I first received it I was afraid.
I agree, there's unlimited potential.
To be honest, I was all hyped
Joe Pfeiffer wrote:
Much better to get resolv.conf, along with IP address, from DHCP.
Typically, I'd agree -- except the Freerunner doesn't get its IP from
DHCP for the USB port, which is where pretty much all of the DNS
questions come from to the list (until GRPS starts working reliably...)
Michael,
Can you alter the mailing list so the list's address is set as the
default Reply-To value like the community list?
Simply hitting Reply (instead of Reply-to-All) seems to send replies to
the authors of the posts.
Might as well keep things uniform in that regard.
Thanks,
Ian
Michael
Scott Derrick wrote:
With the GPS hardware fix done(10pf cap installed) are the software
changes to the kernel/modules just added cruft? IE. do they add
anything useful?
They save people from destroying their Freerunners trying to do some
amateur-level soldering or ordering incorrect
Lorn Potter wrote (on 2008-07-11 02:12pm):
6. Installing QPK apps - Is this possible? I would like to run a
terminal (the Konsole port) and any other useful/cool apps. I don't know
how to go about this. I've copied some QPK files to the /home/root on
the device, but how can these be
Yochai Gal wrote:
went down to the local ATT store, they swapped me a new SIM, it makes
and receives call, there's an echo on speakerphone, and it won't read my
contacts off my sim.
Dumb question, but did ATT copy your contacts from the old SIM to the
new SIM?
-id
never did see an update on this from anyone at OpenMoko ?
-id
ian douglas wrote:
That is, what does it cover?
I have a box of Freerunners beside me, but they've been purchased as a
bulk order for 10 other buyers, so I don't want to open the boxes to see
if there's any warranty information
arne anka wrote:
opkg update was ok but then upgrade ran until my ssh connection was
dropped.
dunno why dropbear drops the connection on upgrade, ususally existing
connections shouldn't be affected.
When you upgrade dropbear it does a full stop/start on the service, not
an equivalent of
Yorick Moko wrote:
maybe it would help if there was standard a button to click on to
suspend the phone (maybe label it Suspend(Bèta)) because it seems most
people are not aware of something other than dimlock
If someone's going to get into adding buttons:
Our group last night agreed having a
Vinc Duran wrote:
As a /user/ I'd really like it if there were always an easy to find
place for what is known to work.
There's a LOT of info on the wiki but it can be a little daunting to
find the newest this is what works kind of information. Is there any
way to move the last edited marker
Considering you need to remove the battery and SIM to install a microSD
card, probably not :o)
Olivier Migeot wrote:
Maybe we should only insert the card once the fix is acquired. At
least at times where we want to use both GPS and SD. Not much of a
solution, but it still act as a workaround
For those that follow the devel and commitlog lists, there was a patch
submitted by Andy Green @ Openmoko on the 13th suggesting that an
increase in voltage to the GPS workings might help. I haven't tried this
myself.
The note attached said:
GPS internal antenna issue appears to respond
Los Angeles order arrived this morning. One box had 10 Freerunners, the
second box had a debug board (ordered by one person on the bulk order)
and 10 pouches and headsets.
-id
ian douglas wrote:
I received the UPS notice for order 1843 (bulk order) about 10 minutes
ago and updated the where's
I'll have time to help out as well starting next week. I wonder if we
could get the OM techs to create another mailing list started like
[EMAIL PROTECTED] so we can communicate to one another
about organization plans, etc.
The other thing to consider, as well, is what Brenda's role is with
Yaroslav Halchenko wrote:
The note attached said:
GPS internal antenna issue appears to respond positively to cranking
RF_3V to 3.6V from 3.0V.
it is a SNR issue for sure, and to boost SNR you either
boost signal (which is what voltage raise does) or you reduce noise
(which what removal
That is, what does it cover?
I have a box of Freerunners beside me, but they've been purchased as a
bulk order for 10 other buyers, so I don't want to open the boxes to see
if there's any warranty information inside.
My impression was that the 14-day warranty on single units and 28-day
warranty
On of my bulk buyers was cool enough to permit me to open his Freerunner
box -- no documentation of any kind that explains anything about a warranty.
Can someone at OM shed a little light so we can post it on the wiki?
-id
ian douglas wrote:
That is, what does it cover?
I have a box
Hugo Mills wrote:
I think they've done pretty damn well
to get a plausible fix out of the door inside a day.
Well, more than a day. The development list has had patch info from Andy
Green over a few days outlining his testing on voltage increases and
decreases on the GPS and Sd circuits.
Michael Shiloh wrote:
+1 on [EMAIL PROTECTED]
+1 here
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Hey all,
Except for one guy who couldn't make it, the whole Los Angeles group
sales crew showed up tonight at The Rubicon Project where I work to pick
up their Freerunners and spend some time configuring them, doing some
opkg updates, installing minimo, etc.
Thanks for a great transaction guys!
Sean Moss-Pultz wrote:
This is Openmoko. If you /don't/ open your Neo, you should probably have
your warranty voided ;-)
Wow, second best quote I've ever seen on this list.
The first being back in early May...
Andy Powell wrote:
Seriously, If everyone put as much effort into development as
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Subject: Re: Fast questions (email, GPRS, WiFi...)
Diego Fernández Durán wrote:
- Is there any UI to conect using WiFi? and with GPRS?
- Is network-manager been ported
One of my bulk order buyers has prompted a question about whether there
have been any advances with connecting a Freerunner to a Windows PC?
Last I tried mine on an XP laptop, it detected a device but wanted
drivers to communicate.
Couldn't find anything relevant on a search at
Stroller wrote:
On 14 Jul 2008, at 20:20, ian douglas wrote:
edit /etc/multitap-pad/im-multipress.conf
I added / and | to my '1' key.
looking at /etc/multitap-pad/im-multipress.conf it appears
that both back- and forward-slashes are mapped to KP_0 on the default
factory image.
However
Flemming Richter Mikkelsen wrote:
On 2008-07-11, Yaroslav Halchenko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
we ordered it with 2nd-day air it got shipped Ground, thus instead of 2
days we have to expect it in 1 week.
Don't you overreact? I think a few extra days will not kill you.
I understand you want
Matt Joyce wrote:
mokopedia brings the whole wikipedia to your openmoko phone even while
being offline because all articles will reside on an attached microSD card.
http://projects.openmoko.org/projects/mokopedia/
Is this project still being maintained though? The latest tarball and
news are
Maybe we could get someone at OpenMoko to install a plugin for MediaWiki
and export the content every night as a cron job on their web server:
http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:DumpHTML
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Federico Lorenzi wrote:
Makes sense, ext3 is journaled, and using a journaling FS on flash
memory is generally a bad idea. Could you also try ext2?
Sorry, I'm not up to speed on flash and file systems -- why is a
journaled file system a bad idea?
I re-ran all of my tests on the new 8GB
Andrew Bennett wrote:
Journaled file systems perform lots of extra writes to the drive. Flash
drives wear out a little quicker (in terms of writes) than other
drives. Putting the two together means you're probably decreasing the
length of your drive's life.
Gotcha, thanks!
-id
Diego Fernández Durán wrote:
- Is there any UI to conect using WiFi? and with GPRS?
- Is network-manager been ported?
- The NM backend?
- Anybody is doing an UI for this?
I havne't seen any wifi UI applicaiton yet. I SSH'd into my Freerunner,
edited
I received the UPS notice for order 1843 (bulk order) about 10 minutes
ago and updated the where's my freerunner? wiki page. Our ETA is July
15, with 2nd day air shipping confirmed by UPS.
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Daniel Dadap wrote:
Has yours shipped yet? Our 10-pack is order #2267. I wonder how many they
ship a day.
Mine is order 1843 and have not yet received a confirmation notice. I
was hoping they'd have been in before the weekend so our bulk order
group could meet up on Saturday, but I guess
I added a column to indicate bulk orders, and added my order number as well.
-id
Peter Naulls wrote:
I've started a wiki page recording order numbers vs confirmation emails:
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Where_is_my_Freerunner%3F
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Hey all,
Got my 8GB SanDisk 8GB micro SDHC card [1] in a few minutes ago, popped
it into my GTA02v5 (beta tester model) Freerunner and running a few
tests on it. So far, so good.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# mount | grep media
/dev/mmcblk0p1 on /media/card type vfat
Steven ** wrote:
That's good news. Hopefully I'll have as good luck with the 8GB card
I just bought. It's A-Data brand.
I decided to go with a well-known name brand to start, that was the only
reason. Newegg.com had cheaper 8GB micro SDHC cards too.
-id
Mike Montour wrote:
you could use something standard like bonnie++.
I'll try Mike's iospeed utility next, but here's a dual-run of the
bonnie++ utility:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# bonnie\+\+ -d /media/card -s 256 -r 128 -x2 -u 0
Using uid:0, gid:0.
Shawn Rutledge wrote:
What about on the GTA01? The biggest I have tried so far is 2 gig
because I wasn't sure if SDHC was working.
I sold my GTA01 months ago earlier this year, so I can only test on my
GTA02v5. I imagine someone with a v6 Freerunner can do some additional
testing.
-id
ian douglas wrote:
I'll try Mike's iospeed utility next, but here's a dual-run of the
bonnie++ utility:
I should mention too that before running bonnie++ or Mike's utility,
that I deleted the FAT32 partition on the 8GB card, created a single
primary type-83 Linux partition and formatted it ext3
Christoph Anton Mitterer wrote:
Hardware : GTA02
Revision : 0350
Serial:
I see the same on my GTA02 v5 (beta test model) Freerunner.
But on http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_GTA02_Hardware
there's at leas an ATAG_REVISION: 0360 listed.
I use a 3G SIM card from ATT and it works just fine.
Scott Derrick wrote:
I'm expecting my FreeRunner soon and was wondering about the Sim card
issue the 1973 version experienced.
Was it fixed? Can I expect just about any ATT sim card to work now?
I was looking on ebay for sim cards and
Does anyonw know Bill Sun from the LA Group Sales wiki page?
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GroupSales#Los_Angeles
He's our 10th buyer and the only person I have not heard from yet. If I
can't get a response from him in a week, I've got a buyer from San Diego
who is interested in picking up the
He said he was checking the web site and started an order for the 850
just to check what the shipping cost would be.
-id
Flyin_bbb8 wrote:
Federico, did you already order from the openmoko shop? or you're
waiting for the 900 MHz version?
be ready to ship by
Tuesday. Thanks.
My order number is 1562. If I read a lot into the email I might conclude
order counts. I asked about tracking numbers too but no word on that.
V
On Sun, Jul 6, 2008 at 11:44 PM, ian douglas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hey all
USA shipping is starting today.
A message earlier today stated that orders around #1500 should ship
Tuesday. I'm order 1843, so I expect my shipment to get out either late
Tuesday or some time on Wednesday.
-id
Matthew Lane wrote:
Does anyone know when the open moko's online store begins
The fact that the .gz files didn't download means your /etc/resolv.conf
doesn't point to a valid DNS server.
The signature files are definitely missing though, and should be corrected.
-id
Christoph Anton Mitterer wrote:
Hi.
When I update (opkg update) I get the following:
[EMAIL
arne anka wrote:
the miss of Packages.gz is more worrisome, because opkg computes the list
of available packes from it.
Would be handy if opkg could detect if a valid DNS connection exists and
fail gracefully with a warning like Cannot resolve
buildhost.openmoko.org instead of taking the
Christoph Anton Mitterer wrote:
The miss of those was just because I (as always) forgot to setup
resolv.conf (as Ian guessed correctly ;) )
It's simple to automate this:
In my /etc/networking/interfaces, for the USB connection, where the up
command does an echo to resolv.conf, something
Gilles Casse wrote:
If this vein is pursued, please note that Alzheimer, Ebola, JackTheRipper
are already reserved at sourceforge.
My favorite comedian quote:
I used to play in a Death Metal band... Most Death Metal bands have
dark names like 'Obituary' ... 'Mortuary' ... 'Rigor Mortis.' We
arne anka wrote:
i'm sure, if it was that easy to circumvent the restrictions imposed on a
5$ plan, t-mobile would have dropped it already.
I'm guessing that their current lineup of phones are so locked up in
terms of software ability, it's never been *tried* before on TMobile's
network?
I know his question was to anyone ordering a single unit, but I got my
confirmation Email within 5 minutes of placing my order for a 10-pack.
Vinc Duran wrote:
Hi Jayesh,
I ordered a ten pack yesterday and received a confirmation email from
[EMAIL PROTECTED] about 90 minutes later.
The 850 model is 850/1800/1900 and works fine on TMobile (I've been
using a freerunner for a few months now during testing)
Brad Pitcher wrote:
Harry wrote:
Dear All,
Sorry for delay long time!!!
So far, only GSM850 Freerunner is available in stock, Debug board and
spare also!!!
Brad Pitcher wrote:
That is exactly right. I thought I read about some work around for the
port restriction, but I didn't dare to try it so I stuck with the add-on.
Well, in theory, if you're writing your own app and have a spare IP
address, you could write the app to answer on port 12345
to place our order.
Ian
ian douglas wrote:
A user named Bill Sun listed themselves on the GroupSales wiki page
for Los Angeles (http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GroupSales#Los_Angeles)
but hasn't configured the wiki to allow me to contact them through the
wiki. If that person is still on the list
Is it up north, Michael?
Michael Shiloh wrote:
I'm setting up an Openmoko hack-a-thon and would love to know if anyone
from this list will be there.
Michael
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I'm writing up a notice to 5 of the 10 people from the wiki who were
good enough to contact me to discuss payment options and a
meet-and-greet. Through some basic collaboration, I went ahead and made
the purchase.
The other 5 people have a ticking clock before I sell their Freerunners
to
Steve has mentioned several times that while supplies last, they would
be sending laser stylii, 512MB microSD cards and a headset with the
10-pack orders. Once they run out, they run out, and they'll send a
plastic stylus with each phone.
Openmoko doesn't want to be in the business of selling
I've used my 3G card from ATT just fine.
-id
Arne Zachlod wrote:
Hej guys, I had got my today and i have tested it, but my 3G card
doesn't function with it. he can't find a network and is unable to get
the pin. (i have disabled pin with another phone, then there was only
the problem that
also have one slot left (or two if we don't hear from Bill Sun) to
get an exact order of 10 Freerunners. I'll be sending an Email tonight
to coordinate the group and discuss payment options, etc.
Ian Douglas
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I'd heard 8GB, which is why I was going to order an 8GB card. I know a
few 4GB cards were tested.
Nicholas Dube wrote:
Will the FR be able to support 16GB SDHC microSD cards?
On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 4:55 PM, ian douglas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'd hoped
I unsubscribed my iandouglas.com address and resubscribed a few minutes
later, and now both my w98.us and iandouglas.com messages show up within
a few minutes of each other instead of a 90+ minute delay.
I guess the mailing list software processes the addresses in typical
first-in-last-out stack
That's a great idea. Has it been done before? I know there's a GSM
coverage map on the 'net somewhere (don't have my home bookmarks at
work) which may include actual tower locations already.
-id
Charles Edward Pax wrote:
Here's an idea: OpenMoko shows me locations of GSM towers near me by
I personally use Plaxo, which syncs up Outlook, Thunderbird, Hotmail,
GMail, Yahoo, my IM contact lists, all into one database, sorts out
duplicates, and also sends a list to my Samsung phone via an installed app.
After some digging, the Plaxo Plus mobile app is just based on Funambol,
which has
The delay also depends on your mail provider. I'm currently subscribed
as [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] and the mail to my w98.us
domain arrives about an hour earlier than my iandouglas.com domain. This
message will also show up in my w98.us account within minutes of me
hitting send, but
Tilman Baumann wrote:
Deamons that trigger events when a bloetooth device comes in range have
already been implemented.
In Ubuntu and Fedora, check out blueproximity -- you sync your
bluetooth device with your PC, and set a proximity level in feet (1..30)
and when the device goes out of range
Andy Selby wrote:
There was a post on engadget mobile that suggested some have been
released.
I cant find it, you got a link?
Steve mentioned this in an Email the other day:
I know some shipments (university customers) have already landed.
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Suppose I could check the project page, but it's 2:30am and I'm tired
and lazy. I was updating and installing some software on my Freerunner
tonight to test mp3 playback and noticed again that there's still no
mention of a cron engine in the opkg library.
Anybody know if it's being worked on?
Just out of curiosity, Steve, how long does it take to assemble a phone
from start to finish? (just assembly, not testing)
steve wrote:
SMT is running. This means printed circuit boards are being produced daily.
Then, the circuit boards are being assembled into phones. This means the
plastic
Kevin Dean wrote:
On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 12:11 PM, Stroller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
tariffs (shop for plans?) link and was unable to complete the
checkout process without selecting a handset.
I'm surprised that ATT doesn't list that on their site.
They want to force you to walk into their
Joe Pfeiffer wrote:
when I went to get a sim card to use in my moko, I was
unable to find one without getting a subsidized phone to go with it.
TMobile did this for me in about 15 minutes at one of their stores, and
I didn't even have my Neo with me at the time. I simply told them I had
an
Robert Taylor wrote:
if we can't make the device stand out ... it is a loosing strategy.
Yup, you've hit the nail on the head ... anyone comparing apples to
apples in a side-by-side feature list is more likely to choose the
iPhone. It looks slick, it's a nice form factor, and has features the
Sander Hoentjen wrote:
compare the price difference for a 24month contract with or without an
iPhone (16GB) (Yes this is not the new one, but i suspect it will not
differ too much).
Price for 24 mo with iPhone: 719,- eur
with HTC Touch Diamond (just for comparison): 541,-
without phone:
Shawn wrote:
say I buy a freerunner, but decide to switch to ATT as my provider (as
I plan to do in the near future), will they not hit me with a contract
agreement anyway?
It varies, depending on who you talk to.
They typically need to lock you into a 2-year contract if they're
Joe Pfeiffer wrote:
ian douglas writes:
TMobile did this for me in about 15 minutes at one of their stores, and
I didn't even have my Neo with me at the time. I simply told them I had
an unlocked international GSM-capable phone and I just needed a SIM card
for it.
Did you get a lower
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Could those of you in the US, who have the prior phone,and who plan to get
the new one, share what providers you are using?
I had a Neo (GTA01) and it worked fine on TMobile and ATT, but only in
areas where the higher frequency bands were available -- I couldn't get
Ben Burdette wrote:
Also, I hear that ATT is charging 10$ more per month for iphones over
their normal plan fees, and even more if you are a business user.
They raised the rate in general, even without picking a phone at
attwireless.com, you can still see the basic unlimited data with
Kevin Dean wrote:
T-Mobile and ATT both offer
nationwide plans and the plans are the same coast to coast.
... but not at ATT plans are available coast-to-coast.
I was looking at plans last night for someone on the list who lives in
New Mexico, and there were fewer voice/data plans available
ian douglas wrote:
... but not at ATT plans are available coast-to-coast.
at = all
Lack of sleep = typos. My bad.
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Ron K. Jeffries wrote:
Is adding an SD card externally accessible on GTA03 feasible?
+1
Having the SD card buried under the SIM under the battery is less than
ideal.
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Robert Taylor wrote:
Which part of a portion of the contract pays for you phone ... phone
ISN'T FREE, YOU ARE FINANCING THE PURCHASE OF THE PHONE VIA THE
CONTRACT is hard to understand?
Why do americans have such a hard time grasping this?
Your statement makes perfect sense, Robert.
But
Ilja O. wrote:
Why not just have the phone wipe itself when the SIM card changes?
That's what i was proposing from the beginning.
But for users like me with multiple valid SIM cards, I think being able
to run a script/app on the phone that says this SIM is valid, don't do
a wipe would be
Federico Lorenzi wrote:
The 3G iPhone does not cost $199. It costs $199 when subsidized
through a 2 year ATT contract. Thats like saying my Nokia E51 costs
nothing, because I got it free with a 2 year contract.
... and per my last Email, the lack of subsidies for the Freerunner,
where you
Lowell Higley wrote:
I think what Ian is trying to say is that contract or not, you still
have to pay for your phone service and data service.
Exactly.
Whether you get the iPhone, a Freerunner, a Nokia, a Samsung,
whatever... you still need to pay for the cellular service.
Yes, it's cheaper
Jorge . wrote:
No doubt, but you can buy unlocked iPhones on many places, including internet
and they dont cost $960
You're right, an unlocked iPhone will likely cost more than $199 (for
the 8GB model), but you still need to have the data/voice plan. If *all*
you're comparing is the cost of
Greg Bonett wrote:
Don't forget you've always got the option to use the Freerunner without a
voice/data plan at all if you don't mind only using VOIP in Wifi networks.
Then its a bargain!
Excellent point, Greg!
(I don't recall if the new iPhone has WiFi to do VoIP calls)
Robin Paulson wrote:
plus, can the iphone use usb in host mode? can i plug in a usb flash
drive, or an external modem?
From what I'm seeing on the specs page, the iPhone doesn't have any
sort of USB plug on it ... so unless they have custom plugs to
interchange between their 30-pin
As an aside, when comparing 2G and 3G:
Even according to Apple, the new iPhone 3G model will get up to 10 hours
of talk time on 2G but half as long (5 hours) in 3G mode.
I'd love to learn more about how voice quality differs between 2G and 3G
-- if a future GTA device gets 3G capability, I'd
Robert Taylor wrote:
Please, compare equal things.
Why are you posting nonsense here?
Rob, I'm not the one who posted the original article, and I take offense
to you saying that my thoughts are 'nonsense' -- that sort of attitude
isn't helpful to anybody.
In a previous post, you said:
The
Robert Taylor wrote:
Just compare equal things.
We'll have to agree to disagree on the definition of equal.
Hear me out:
By my calculations below, a consumer buying an iPhone or a Freerunner,
and using ATT for a voice/data plan, is going to spend about $2600 over
two years no matter which
Robert Taylor wrote:
I'm not dropping this. You still have it wrong.
Hi Robert,
I'm not trying to win the overall argument, I just want you to
acknowledge that my position is as valid as your own, as I do for your
position in point #2 below.
Here's my thinking, please feel free to agree or
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