-standard.
You also may enable 1A-mode (and 500mA mode) via some small GUI-app IIRC.
cheers
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That's exactly what i wrote...
Am Do 27. März 2008 schrieb steve:
I dont believe the replacements have the columb counter.
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: If i got this right, the 48k even means I'm a charger
and I can do *2*(!)A, just GTA02 can't take more than 1A. This might change
for GTA0x!)
HTH
cheers
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Am Do 27. März 2008 schrieb steve:
Thanks Kevin,
I recall asking engineering what would happen
have a /dev/* interface (or other means) to *finetune* maximum USB
current - e.g. for 750mA chargers?
I don't know if the PMU does support such finetuning, or if there are just
step increments (i'm just too lazy to check, right this moment). Just want to
share the idea... ;-)
jOERG
wiring and impedance) there are
apparently several standards for headsets.
Can you tell us which wiring the jack uses and what impedance the
earplugs have?
I already did this somewhere in wiki, IIRC.
Wait a moment, I'll have a look where to find it.
jOERG
for mic) 2K2 from +3.3v(wolfson codec)
(+HoldButton shortcircuit to ground)
Due to the internal 33R resistors, any low impedance headset will not work (or
only low sound). I guess 40R should be minimum impedance for the speakers.
cheers
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to buffer the G-meter data, and recognition of
the actual gesture has to be done on main CPU. (no real option)
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think.
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smart-bat coloumb-counter (see
wiki).
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number + address.
Surface delivery.
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Am So 23. März 2008 schrieb Sean Moss-Pultz:
We will have our own hub in the EU. Neos will move directly from our
factory to that hub.
What's about availability and pricing of spare parts like LCM, battery,
housing?
Will there be any repair service?
cheers
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THANKS! :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)
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-mobile cell base
station?
How can a GTA01 be different than GTA02, if they have same GSM firmware?
http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1024#c9
Reporters should include serial number printed on the simcard.
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RF-emission interference?
Sure you already tested GTA02 with external GSM-antenna.
And checked if other cellphone normally working with a bad card starts to
fail when GTA02 is near.
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the wiki mentions usb1.1
everywhere. Can you check your source?
I think the wiki is wrong here, due to copypaste from 1973.
Andy Green mentioned 2 15k resistors from D+, D- to GND, to detect
_highspeed_
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Am So 16. März 2008 schrieb Andy Green:
- gpg control packet
Somebody in the thread at some point said:
Could you confirm that USB2 devices are actually recognized
in _highspeed_ mode (Freerunner), and which transfer rate we might expect?
They are recognized as 12Mbps devices, that's
NXP(!) developed a battery pack(!) named PCF50633??
AFAIK the PCF50633 is GTA02's PMU chip, and the battpack is made by PPS, not
NXP.
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Am Mo 17. März 2008 schrieb Marco Trevisan (Treviño):
Andy Green wrote:
Somebody in the thread at some point said:
Do you have some examples to post?
Thanks!
I didn't know any of this until Magnus said, but it seems it is like
this, additional texts appear between additional
in the next weeks, no more need for a _monthly_ update blog.
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Am Mi 12. März 2008 schrieb Robin Paulson:
So, are there any issues with running software for this OS under OM?
is it just a matter of installing the correct dependencies - hildon,
etc?
You might compile software source for use on OM, with a little work to fix
dependencies.
However for sure
to NEO at
the same time, but if all else fails, there are USB-host2host solutions
commonly used to create a usb-based network of 2 PCs.
Chances to see any kind of changes in layout of GTA02 PCB/housing are *very*
low i think.
cheers
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Am Di 11. März 2008 schrieb Andy Green:
- gpg control packet
Somebody in the thread at some point said:
No, I was just noting you could put the CPU peripheral logic into host
mode but leave the EN_USBHOST signal low. Then you could add 15K
pulldowns as a hack, and it would all work.
Am Mi 12. März 2008 schrieb Marco Trevisan (Treviño):
Robin Paulson ha scritto:
i spend a fair part of my time away from power points/computers and
having recently got a hand-crank powered torch, i realise this would
be the way to go for re-charging my neo.
I've one too... I've some
Am Mi 12. März 2008 schrieb Brad Midgley:
joerg,
Ah, i see a Y-adapter: one end usb-device, one end receptable for usb
charger,
one end GTA02 *with ID-R of e.g 82k* PLUS *2 x 15k pulldown*.
And GTA02 automatically switching to external powered host mode. :-)
This was on the list
, and you
wonder whether this is a phone that's registered stolen at them.
gsm: show IMEI = *#06#, dunno how to do this via AT cmd set. ATD*#06# ?
cheers
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Am Sa 8. März 2008 schrieb joerg:
Great news!
Now it seems simple to add a photodiode and a capacitor to have ambient
light controlled backlight. :-)
Only someone of OM has to disclose which testpoint is connected to 50633,
pin32(LEDAMB)
For GTA02A5 this testpoint is labeled H-TP1705
Am Sa 8. März 2008 schrieb Daniel Spies:
If the Freerunner is now free of hardware failures I would like to get
one,
even if the software is not mass market ready, simply because I don't want
to
use my spare phone any more (Nokia 3410). As long as Openmoko is ready to
make a call
Great news!
Now it seems simple to add a photodiode and a capacitor to have ambient light
controlled backlight. :-)
Only someone of OM has to disclose which testpoint is connected to 50633,
pin32(LEDAMB)
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Am Do 6. März 2008 schrieb Marcus Bauer:
I'd try to go for a joint:
-
|ooo -- silicone joint -- ooo|
| =TS |
| |
|-case|
(cut through the phone)
Caveat: the
Am Di 4. März 2008 schrieb Tilman Baumann:
Ben Wilson wrote:
Hey Nick,
I've not looked at the electronics inside the neo myself but the sound
is typical in the electronics world of a switchmode power supply under
grate strain.
The reason is a bit more banal. (AFAIK)
The scream
will not work (or
only low sound). I guess 40R should be minimum impedance for the speakers.
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discussion of a true
multi-ts for GTA03. I think this should be a capacitive one.
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Am Mi 5. März 2008 schrieb Marco Trevisan (Treviño):
joerg ha scritto:
I'm investigating to squeeze some multi-touch properties out of the GTA02
4wire-resistor touchscreen, by hacking the basics and probing the ts in a
couple non-recommended completely different manners. There still
Am Mo 3. März 2008 schrieb Tilman Baumann:
David Samblas Martinez wrote:
22. Digital level
Is any side of the phone straigh enough to be able to
develop such a freaking geek widget?
I could be a funny exercice to play with the
accelerometers.
Sure, at least backside.
No
Am Mo 3. März 2008 schrieb Federico:
mmh you are right:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/moko/mokobox$ file bin/sh
bin/sh: symbolic link to `busybox'
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/moko/mokobox$ file bin/busybox
bin/busybox: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, ARM, version 1 (SYSV),
dynamically linked (uses shared libs),
Am Di 4. März 2008 schrieb Ben Wilson:
Hey,
Just a reminder to everyone *NOT* to pull out the battery while the neo
has USB power.
Hard to tell what the state machine in 50606 will do...
:-(
sure no good idea to try on a precious piece of hardware
j
Am Di 4. März 2008 schrieb joerg:
Am Di 4. März 2008 schrieb Ben Wilson:
Hey,
Just a reminder to everyone *NOT* to pull out the battery while the neo
has USB power.
Hard to tell what the state machine in 50606 will do...
Maybe substantially increase C1706 from 10u to say 470u
an actuator
(Piezo?) directly to the screen. You surely can't do this with the common
built-in vibrator motor (though you can give it a try).
Mere Vibrator feedback on keypress shouldn't be any issue, even should be
standard (best practice) for OM input devices.
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in my opinion
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Am Fr 29. Februar 2008 schrieb Dean Collins:
Can I suggest that you don't really have the processing power onboard the
neo to perform a real intelligent call routing application
Sorry, but even my TV remote control has the processing power for such a
simple application. It only needs a RAM
See
www.capisuite.de
for inspiration on concepts.
Though it's ISDN, the principles may fit 1:1 for your intended project.
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Am Sa 1. März 2008 schrieb Marco Trevisan (Treviño):
Pietro m0nt0 Montorfano ha scritto:
In italy the caller will pay for the call but the recipient no, as a
recipient if the caller will leave the message on the carrier message
box (don't know how to translate, pardon) i have to call it
Am Sa 1. März 2008 schrieb Steven Kurylo:
Nope, for all EU countries i know about, this is absolutely no
difference. You
pay for a call to provider side voicebox as you do for a straight call.
Interesting. On my Rogers (Canada) phone, I don't pay for them to
leave messages. I also
Am Fr 29. Februar 2008 schrieb Andy Green:
For PCF50633(GTA02) there obviously never was a public datasheet/user
manual
(at least i found 2 years old postings asking for it), only a broken/empty
link on manufacturers site. :-(
Please can anybody give a pointer to these docs, or even
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(IR-)device(s) might help!
completely OT: ambient light sensor? (PCU is supposed to support...)
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Am Do 28. Februar 2008 schrieb joerg:
Near OT: what's Hold on 3. ring of same connector...
Sorry: Hold on 1.ring aka tip / MIC.
3. ring = jack insert sense / LOut (/ IR_enable).
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Am Do 28. Februar 2008 schrieb Uncle Kridley:
Michael Shiloh wrote:
There will be a charger for the Neo Freerunner, which has the secret
resistor jOERG mentions below.
Does this mean that it won't charge (or will only charge slowly) from a
generic USB connector/charger? Part
Management Unit...
A nice example for open drivers worth nothing without hw-spec (ref: other
thread about proprietary firmware)
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Am Do 28. Februar 2008 schrieb Tilman Baumann:
PS: Do not reply on tread when you want to open a new topic!
Your mailer is smarter than you.
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Agh
ACK!
Also seen frequently and even worse maybe:
Fullquote on daily digest
j
to nag manufacturers to open the
sources of firmware, because we can do better, and do not want to use what
we paid for.
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Am Do 14. Februar 2008 schrieb Kyle Bassett:
I have been following the Suspended Mode thread in the kernel ML and they
have made amazing progress within the last week. As GTA02A5 currently
stands, a cold suspend mode (just GSM in standby awaiting incoming
call/sms), could result in 20 days
Am Do 14. Februar 2008 schrieb Schmidt András:
I have re-read the wish list and community applications list and could
not find a feature that I use on my current phone day to day. That is
alarm clock. Or is it part of the calendar?
Do you have any pointers to OpenMoko's alarm clock
Am Do 14. Februar 2008 schrieb Andy Green:
Basically as a rule hardware is set in stone, it goes double when it is
micro BGAs and so on like this hardware, there's not much anyone can do
about that.
That's the reason why polite PCB-designers are planning for a NC-via at least
for those
Am Fr 15. Februar 2008 schrieb Andy Green:
As I say it matters a bit less because so many signals are unavailable
anyway, but of course I really understand the point of having them. To
offset it a little there are bunch of testpoints which are annotated on
the board and will be annotated in
Am Fr 15. Februar 2008 schrieb Andy Green:
Still for quite a few embedded tasks I2C or LVTTL UART --
let's not forget USB OTG 12Mbps host from the mini USB B connector --
will be enough to make a practical solution though.
Good point! If i need additional GPIO, so what. I got I2C, so i just
Am Mi 13. Februar 2008 schrieb Stephan Maka:
Schmidt András wrote:
So it is a list of GSM phones which are capable of running linux?
No. This list just indicates that there are HOWTOs available for
connecting the phones to your Linux box.
However OT, this:
Am Mi 13. Februar 2008 schrieb Stephan Maka:
Schmidt András wrote:
So it is a list of GSM phones which are capable of running linux?
No. This list just indicates that there are HOWTOs available for
connecting the phones to your Linux box.
I understood this site dealing with Linux on my
GTA, for obvious reasons ;-) Old one
didn't do it anymore.
Orders will be stacked and shipped all at same day when order volume is
sufficient.
coming soon: how i disassembled my GTA02...
Eagle-files
free your phone!
;-)
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phone and you make your findings public under a free license?
On 2/10/08, joerg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi hardware-hackers!
Anybody interested in my story?
How i completely disassembled my GTA01, put everything on a
needlebed
Am Mo 11. Februar 2008 schrieb Schmidt András:
Today we were talking about new generation of portable personal
computers (yes, that is OpenMoko :-) with friends. Our idea was to use
it as cyclocomputer (That idea has already appeared on the wiki or in
the list somewhere). We were wondering
Am So 10. Februar 2008 schrieb Wolfgang Spraul:
Andy (or anyone else),
if the whole back of the Neo would be a solar panel, and you would put
it back side up into direct sunlight, say for 5 hours, how much could
that charge the battery?
Could you operate the phone without a battery (and
I like the idea of having total control over my electronic devices -
especially if they are able to collect everything about my life like a
mobile phone. Thats why I'm currently living without any mobil.
If I am able to look into what runs on my device, I can trust that
stuff. so I'm one
Am Fr 8. Februar 2008 schrieb Sean Moss-Pultz:
of the case CAD files is not software (per say). In the future you will
see a lot more. We don't believe software is only place people need
openness.
So does this mean we will eventually see the circuit diagrams (and even PCB
layouts??), so we
Am Fr 8. Februar 2008 schrieb Ben Burdette:
I was looking at the GTA02 hardware spec on the wiki, and its looking
(to me) like mono only output. According to this:
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_Audio_Subsystem
The neo1973 has a stereo LM4857 amplifier, which drives the stereo
Am Do 7. Februar 2008 schrieb dda:
I agree that a system of plugins/callbacks could do fine, if it can
handle resetting output: eg typing gks bkspc f would output
successively:
ㅎ - 하 - 한 - 하 - 할 [Unicode 0x1112, 0xd558, 0xd55c, 0xd558,
0xd560]. Being able to backtrack is quite necessary in
Am Di 5. Februar 2008 schrieb JW:
if you are talking about GTA01 then there is no host mode (I believe).
GTA01 is supposed to have *unpowered* HOSTmode
GTA02 (not released yet) has 100mA host mode
JW
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Am Di 5. Februar 2008 schrieb Mikko J Rauhala:
On ti, 2008-02-05 at 16:01 +, JW wrote:
if you are talking about GTA01 then there is no host mode (I believe).
Bzzt, there is, though it is unpowered (and therefore nonstandard
as-is), requiring power to be fed from the side via eg. a
Am Mo 4. Februar 2008 schrieb Ian Darwin:
Marcus Bauer wrote:
Quick answer: on a N810 you are happier with maemo-mapper, on the Neo
with tangogps. You have more buttons on the N810 and a landscape screen,
whereas the Neo uses portrait-mode. tangogps was designed to be fast and
to be
Am Mo 4. Februar 2008 schrieb Christ van Willegen:
since everyone is editting at the moment... may I suggest
standardising dates on the wiki to ISO 8601 coding, or -mm-dd.
100% agree!
j
btw: hope there are metric screws used in NEO!? And ground = minus.
Am Fr 1. Februar 2008 schrieb Brandon Kruse:
I am not bashing on enthusiasm, but why do you guys chose to develop
in a language that hates freedom?
Especially on this platform :/
My experience with Mono: 10.1-YaST-sw-management adopted red carpet, and came
to a grinding halt. top: yast uses
Am Fr 1. Februar 2008 schrieb john:
You mileage will vary depending on the type of app.
I do most of my testing on the desktop but lately I have been testing
with a GPRS connection on my Neo. I had no idea Vodafone would reset
my TCP connections when I idle for example!
Some of the GSM
Am Do 31. Januar 2008 schrieb Pierre Hébert:
On Thursday 31 January 2008, Lionel Dricot wrote:
Thanks,
It looks indeed like what I want.
How difficult is it to access the i2c bus ?
From the software point of view it is quite easy, the linux kernel
provides the required
Am Do 31. Januar 2008 schrieb Pierre Hébert:
On Thursday 31 January 2008, joerg wrote:
see other posting about magnetic compass chip interfacing with I2C.
It's 4 wires.
If getting audio from the FM radio IC is needed, it will probably need
some connections with the WM8573 audio chip too
Am Do 31. Januar 2008 schrieb Shawn Rutledge:
[...]
My
goal is to have applications written in arbitrary languages, running
on app servers, using a terse UI meta-language *) to transfer the
user-interaction parts of the apps to the thin client (more or less,
depending on the processing
Am Mi 30. Januar 2008 schrieb Colan Schwartz:
Other options are http://ekiga.org/ and http://www.openwengo.org/. They
both do SIP. I know about Ekiga because it ships with Ubuntu, and it's
completely open source. I don't know that much about OpenWengo.
www.twinklephone.com. Qt based, so
Am Mi 30. Januar 2008 schrieb Mikko J Rauhala:
On ke, 2008-01-30 at 18:00 +0100, Michael Schmidt wrote:
the serverless instant messenger http://retroshare.sf.net (Qt gui)
will have soon as well VOIP and VIDEO Chat, and this is quite good for
openmoko, as this is an encrypted one,
so you
Am Mi 30. Januar 2008 schrieb Jeremiah Flerchinger:
Ekiga is just a client package and doesn't contain a server component,
What for do you want to have a server on GTA? BTW linphone is no way different
in this aspect AFAIK.
like asterisk. There is also linPhone (http://www.linphone.org/),
http://www.tomtom.com/products/features.php?ID=280Category=2Lid=1
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let's move this thread to blackberry, iPhone, or google forum. I think we're
boring others here, because this is the *OpenMoko* forum, and i don't see how
the 'impact on *current* phone market' -however highly intriguing- has
anything in common with what we are talking here: **GTA**
j
The maps ARE on board for all common GPS car navis (really big
256MB-flash card e.g.).
In *cars*, not phones.
btw: there have been on-board(!) navi solutions for phones(!) even before
iPhone hit the market.
This is the *Openmoko* list. We're talking
*phones* here.
Sure bout that?
I
Hmm... The patent purports to cover getting *any* information based on
where you are, including maps. So unless all the map information or
whatever information you need can fit on your phone you are not
interested in it? I guess you better wait for some *really* big flash
memory chips. :)
Am Fr 25. Januar 2008 schrieb hank williams:
[...]
It appears that, in essence, the patents cover a phone providing current
location information to a remote database which returns to the phone a
collection of location centric information. According to the patent
application, this location
In other words, like it or not, if this patent is valid (who knows)
and its scope is what it looks like (I'm not a lawyer) it will have a
significant impact on the *phone* world.
In other words, *you* consider GTA to be a *phone*, nothing else and not
beyond. You're kidding?
Like it or not,
Am Mi 23. Januar 2008 schrieb Schmidt András:
Hi!
A compass module would be very nice with many applications!
I have no hardware related experince. Is it possible to integrate a chip
like this into the phone? How would you do that?
True drop-in solution
Simple I2C interface
2.7 to 5.2V
and the + and - leads
aren't parallel/twisted or *magnetic* shielded. So compass readout probably
should be done in low power mode of the NEO - no backlight, no GSM
transmission, no full speed CPU.
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Am Mi 23. Januar 2008 schrieb Sébastien Lorquet:
I'm not sure a magnetic sensor is useful when you have a GPS, because a GPS
can give you a heading as soon as the measured velocity is not zero!
You get heading of *velocity vector*, NOT heading of *device*! So for Andras'
intended use, this is
distance from each other in a system make a nice gyro with the aid of some
mathematics in driver. IIRC there was mentioned more than one acc-meter for
the GTA. I thought that's exactly for this purpose.
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10-99: $40.46 each (10% off)
100 or more: $35.96 each (20% off)
:-(
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(recording, listenselect, programming...) for Siemens
GPS car navi, which had been used in quite a few of the standard equipment
for german/european cars since.
So i'm interested in the topic somehow.
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a very convenient durable probe by soldering 2 wires to
the 2 planes and fixating it with gaffatape around end of probe and wires.
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Am Mo 7. Januar 2008 schrieb Torfinn Ingolfsen:
BTW,
for those who feel the need to reply to the spam messages in order to
inform the rest of us that the message is spam[1] and should be dealt[2]
with - please, please do NOT quote the message. If you do, the spammer gets
the commercial
unused mixer input), or the amp or D/A power supply is unsufficiently
decoupled from GSM-modem transmitter (this might be tested by connecting some
elcos to power pins of amp and D/A).
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Am Fr 4. Januar 2008 schrieb Michael Shiloh:
I will also copy the ideas that came out of this discussion into the
bug. Richard, Lorn, Joerg, would you rather do this yourselves?
I've been sending to you an email some weeks ago, offering my help
in debugging/improving GTA02 hw (the battery 1
On 11000 March 1977, Sean Moss-Pultz wrote:
We owe you all an update as to our status. Here it goes...
Great news, thanks.
--
bye Joerg
_DeadBull_ ohne speicher, tastatur, mouse, pladde, monitor, also nur die
Hardware...
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