I don't own a Neo yet, but I have here a Samsung S3C2440A (arm920
based), and here are the results :
BYTEmark* Native Mode Benchmark ver. 2 (10/95)
Index-split by Andrew D. Balsa (11/97)
Linux/Unix* port by Uwe F. Mayer (12/96,11/97)
TEST: Iterations/sec. : Old Index : New
I was looking for a project to start practicing openMoko, and was
willing to learn how GPS receivers work (never used one). Your project
fits perfectly.
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-[ Fri, Apr 03, 2009 at 09:45:37AM +0200, Miguel Ángel Calderón ]
What really surprises me is the fact that if this is so clear, why is
Comunity not working on qvga graphics yet?
(...)
I'd prefer to drive the funnier modest car than to have the ferrary parked
outside... I though linux and
I feel the ferrari analogy is broken. it depends on what you would
like to do with the device. Moving bling bling is not efficient, Ok.
Things that demand high resolution, like ebooks and emacs work fine.
I spend some time in the terminal myself, generally to fix something in a
config file or
-[ Fri, Apr 03, 2009 at 11:36:39AM +0100, Thomas White ]
There are many limitations of the chip,
The main one being of course the lack of documentation.
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-[ Fri, Apr 03, 2009 at 01:37:22PM +0100, Thomas White ]
The main one being of course the lack of documentation.
(Seriously, the necessary documentation has been released, under NDA, to
people who have said they're serious about working on drivers).
Which fits very well with what I call
In case we use an application that could take advantage to the screen
resolution we
could launch it forcing the X-windows server to change to vga resolution.
$ xvidtune -next
Xlib: extension XFree86-VidModeExtension missing on display :0.0
Unable to query video extension version
:-(
-[ Tue, Apr 07, 2009 at 11:58:33AM +0200, arne anka ]
Openmoko stopps development of free mobile phones
In my opinion it suggerates the wrong message.
so?
phone development means gta03 -- and that indeed stopped.
The project is _delayed_, and openmoko still want to build new phones
When Nokia annouces that the n810 is discontinued and will have no more
support in the future, nobody gives a damn. Why ?
because nokia make dozens of phones and are not stopping ALL of them. when a
company stops its entire development of new products in a product line...
Yes. But as a
-[ Tue, Apr 07, 2009 at 04:11:31PM +0200, Anas Alzouhbi ]
but I obtained an error message like I don't include math.h
If you were not including math.h gcc (the compiler) would complain
about unknown symbol 'sqrt'.
arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi-gcc -march=armv4t -mtune=arm920t -std=gnu99
-[ Tue, Apr 07, 2009 at 12:09:56PM -0400, Iain B. Findleton ]
I have the latest kernel I have found on the .../unstable/ download,
dated Apr 06, 2009, but I do not see any EV_ABS (type 3) events listed
when I access the /dev/input/event[2,3] files. Is there another kernel
out there?
-[ Tue, Apr 07, 2009 at 12:23:51PM -0400, Iain B. Findleton ]
Are you building it yourself or is there a uImage and modules file
pre-compiled?
Build it myself. I can send you the image+modules if you want, but I recommand
you setup your own build chain which is quite simple.
Please have a look at the accelerometer data retrieval wiki page at
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Accelerometer_data_retrieval .
It is said that the Z axis is pointing from the display downwards to to the
back of the openmoko. In my opinion this is false and all other axes
my be inverted as well.
-[ Wed, Apr 08, 2009 at 04:32:41PM +0400, Paul Fertser ]
I beg to disagree. If you are talking about acceleration of the sensor
itself then you'll see that: 1. it's not actually accelerating if you
attach a reference frame to the Earth (the freerunner is laying
still). 2. The
-[ Wed, Apr 08, 2009 at 04:26:02PM +0200, giacomo giotti mariani ]
If you accelerate upwards your phone (with the screen pointing up) with
an acceleration a you see a greater acceleration a_tot (along the z
direction) that is the sum of gravity acceleration g and your imposed
acceleration
IMO the ability to sync is something that is desperately needed.
I'm working on something [1] to sync my own datas all over
the place. There is no task application for now but the
underlying synch protocol being agnostic it should be feasable.
This is still in an early stage so new ideas are
-[ Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 10:18:14AM +0200, kimaidou ]
@rixed about the scambio project : No offense, but I do not understand why
you don't use well-known and working standards as syncml or opensync ?
First, because I didn't look very hard to find something close enough to what
I needed
Personally I'd like to be able to dump tangogps (or similar that uses
png tiles) and use something that's able to render the map from vector
data.
Roadmap ?
(available on maemo, not tried on openmoko yet)
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-[ Tue, May 19, 2009 at 04:59:35PM +0100, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra ]
What's proprietary about android?
The DRM locking you out of applying changes to phones. The excuse of oh, its
the
phone maker/operator that does it is a mere smoke screen.
Like you I don't feel confortable with
I did not suppose user is root at all, even though we are all roots,
No we are not.
I run hackable:1 under a regular user.
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-[ Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 02:47:34PM -0400, David Ford ]
have you ever tried reading an ever growing message thread on your FR?
scrolling isn't easy, nor is it fast.
Another part of the netiquette handle this : if the requotes are
not usefull then delete them.
-[ Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 02:35:10PM -0400, David Ford ]
every other cellphone i've ever had, had a nearly
instant transition from ring to talk when i answered it.
Certainly because they use hardware from the future.
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If you had the chance to
build a community for the development of the Openmoko (hardware as
well as software) what would you do and why?
My 2 cents : I would open a mailing list _or_ a web forum but not both
to avoid scattering people accross various medias.
Also, maybe we should look for
Anyway, if you don't plan update update the drvier, you need not care it.
If you don't plan to use anything else than what's already provided,
then any phone will do.
If you want, for instance, to use Debian on this particular computer we call
a phone then anything but an openmoko is worthless.
Keep beeing happy and stay behind your computer.
Thats what I should have done from the beginning.
Undoubtly a computer is a better person to live with.
Be prepared to turn mad around the age of 30, though.
8)
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I suppose one can hack this into an ebook reader ?
How can you upload content into the device ?
Any USB adapter or SD reader ?
Also, what's the format used for texts ?
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My suggestion would be to set up a separate list (either for FR or Wikiread=
er or both). This would help the community and the user adoption of both de=
vices.
I agree but maybe we should wait until the problem arises in practice ?
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-[ Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 11:52:04AM +1100, Carsten Haitzler ]
E is nice thing, but it look like highly unoptimized.
i beg to differ. it's more optimised than pretty much anything out there.
scrolling is different in qt. it is a simple blit. in efl it's a redraw. efl
is
very much like
-[ Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 04:42:21PM +1100, Carsten Haitzler ]
but.. if i were smart.. i'd not develop apps for the freerunner. it's a dead
product.
It might be dead, but as there is no other free phone I have no
choice but to use this one.
I can live without fancy graphics anyway (although I
-[ Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 04:37:15PM -0300, Rafael Ignacio Zurita ]
there is a new version of fatfingershell (0.2).
Trying it on Hackable1, I got :
No se pudo iniciar el modo grafico No video mode large enough for 640x480
Apparently it rely on SDL being able to open a 640x480 fullscreen
-[ Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 11:27:03AM +0200, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer ]
[scrolling]
There are other metaphors available that would fit the device's
strengths much better. What about paging?
Reading an ebook or looking a webpage or a map is better with scrolling
I guess.
Apart from that, you
-[ Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 11:38:22AM +0100, DJDAS ]
Yes I'm rude because my approach is to solve the problems not shutting
up people saying you have a shi++y hardware so don't complain and this
alters my patience (...) and I'll look for everything doable to make this
device (and if ever
our forthcoming initiative about open hardware.
Come one, share with us. We promise to keep it secret. :)
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Can't it work in portrait mode ?
Question: the problem looks like you don't have xrandr in
Hackable1 right?. If you have, can you rotate the display
to landscape?
Well, we had it for sure, but in the daily build I'm using right now
it kills X :)
Portrait: no yet, and I am not sure if I
-[ Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 11:57:13PM +0800, Shawn ]
hi guys,
does anybody has try to port the scheme interpreter(guile,etc) to
openMOKO?
Let's try :
ri...@hackable1:~/leech$ sudo aptitude install guile-1.8 guile
guile (version)
1.8.5
What distribution do you use, that comes without
Also, I'm a little contraried by the memory footprint of the
program, and by the fact that I would like this keyboard for other
apps... Anybody already tried to build a OSD keyboard with lib-aosd
or lib-xosd ?
Ok, as a proof of concept I just did a virtual keyboard using the
XShape extension,
-[ Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 11:47:08PM +0100, Richy ]
Could you show a picture, please?
If I do that, who will download the source code ? :)
I've put one in the wiki there :
http://gitorious.org/kbosd/pages/Home
Under screenshot.
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-[ Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 05:52:00PM +1000, Denis Johnson ]
I'm not sure if this is characteristic of QtMoko or just bad luck call
quality, however my previous experience with SHRU was fine.
You should probably copy your mixer settings from SHR to QtMoko
if it was better under SHR.
-[ Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 06:09:30PM +1000, Denis Johnson ]
You should probably copy your mixer settings from SHR to QtMoko
if it was better under SHR.
Oops, already blown away :-(
Yes but if you never changed them you may be able to find the default ones
on google.
I had the same
yes. acceleration is change of velocity. if there is no change in
velocity, there will be no acceleration. hence, if the phone is still,
all acc values should be zero. gravity or not, there is no net acc on
the phone. i don't know the format the accelerometers output data in,
but i'd take a
You have a very valid points here. We certainly did some strategic
mistakes here -- me included, since I did not realize the awesomeness
and importance of dbus early enough...
How lucky you are ! I still wonder why dbus was invented in the first place :-)
specially tailored for H:1) here :
http://happyleptic.org/~rixed/kbosd_20091031_armel.deb
And the source code and everything else there :
http://gitorious.org/kbosd/
Don't forget to 'man kbosd' if you want to change anything to
the default parameters.
This is no more a proff of concept but also my
-[ Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 02:53:02PM +0100, Michal Brzozowski ]
Could you make an ipk for SHR too?
Sory but life is too short for anything but debian :-)
Probably you have git and gcc packaged as ipk ?
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but the package libh1settings0 is missing in debian repository. How can I
solve?
Sorry, this package is specific to H:1.
It's not stricly required, through, so I'm removing it from dependencies,
and uploading a new package in a minute (will be :
http://happyleptic.org/~rixed
Your website http://www.handheld-linux.com seams down right now.
If it's not on purpose, please have a look :-)
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-[ Mon, Nov 09, 2009 at 11:49:09AM +0100, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller ]
You must have happend to hit the 20 seconds power outage we had this
morning and the rebooting time of the server...
Apparently something is still wrong :
[r...@apc ~]# tcpdump -ni eth0 host 81.169.145.86
tcpdump:
If we are allowed to hack it as much as you are allowed to speack about it,
well...
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-[ Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 10:48:50AM +0100, David Reyes Samblas Martinez ]
the cuestion will be, how open is bada?
And how open the hardware itself.
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When/Where to expect/access the results of the survey? :)
(...) I'll post them here if there's interest.
Please do.
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yes
yes
H:1
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-[ Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 03:46:04PM +0300, Paul Fertser ]
Come on, just add a procmail rule or something if you do not want to
see a nice guy improving!
I don't know how to tell my procmail to discard completely off topic
messages like these.
But I feel a little ashamed to be rude in this
Hello !
Is there a place where I could know some informations related to
the GSM chipset power consumption, state, etc, without disturbing
it ?
I'm trying to monitor more closely power consumption of my FR
since battery life is still very short despite having been fixed
for #1024. So if you have
P.S. Maybe you never read this email :D
That's the problem with checking for [OT] : it doesnt tell how much off
topic it is. Maybe we should establish new conventions, for instance :
[RM] : Related mater
[NCR] : Not completely related
[OT] : Off topic
[WOT] : Way off topic
[MMI] : Speaking
I monitored power consumption all day long (from full battery to empty).
I observed that the average current consumption (from /sys/.../current_now)
is 78mA when idle. My battery, at full charge, is shown to store 1.1Ah
(according to /sys/.../charge_now), which leads to battery life of 14h which
-[ Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 12:41:36PM +0100, Fox Mulder ]
ri...@happyleptic.org schrieb:
I monitored power consumption all day long (from full battery to empty).
I observed that the average current consumption (from /sys/.../current_now)
is 78mA when idle. My battery, at full charge, is
-[ Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 11:48:01AM +0300, Paul Fertser ]
Your figure is good. #1024 fix saves you about 4-8mA, a considerable
amount during suspend-to-ram, but you won't notice the difference if
you keep the device in idle but not suspended state.
Ok, make sense.
So I checked charge_now
So I checked charge_now during suspend (measuring before and after
suspend of course) and it seams that the battery is then discharging
at the rate of 23mA, which leads to a total of approx 50 hours.
That looks indeed like either mis-measurement or software
mis-configuration, e.g. you
-[ Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 01:31:16PM +0200, Timo Juhani Lindfors ]
ri...@happyleptic.org writes:
Ruling out mis-measurment for now, apart from GPS abnd bluetooth do you
know of some chip that could draw so much current ?
How much does it consume if you turn GSM off?
Will check.
What's
-[ Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 01:31:16PM +0200, Timo Juhani Lindfors ]
ri...@happyleptic.org writes:
Ruling out mis-measurment for now, apart from GPS abnd bluetooth do you
know of some chip that could draw so much current ?
How much does it consume if you turn GSM off?
Turning it off using
It's a fact that to get to this state we're going to have to
write a lot of hardware-specific code, and each developer who would
potentially work on this stuff has to make their own decision about
whether they want to do that for a GPU which won't be found elsewhere.
There is another, much
-[ Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 09:55:35PM +0200, Timo Juhani Lindfors ]
ri...@happyleptic.org writes:
Do you think usb could be the source of power consumption (nothing
is plugged in of course) ? Or maybe SD card reader ?
Remove SD card and SIM card and see?
Got 18.5mA.
I also did this
-[ Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 09:13:41AM +0200, Timo Juhani Lindfors ]
ri...@happyleptic.org writes:
My expertise pretty much ends here :-) However, it might help if you
power down all extra hardware (bt, gsm, gps, wifi) and then run gpio
from
http://svn.openmoko.org/trunk/src/target/gpio/
What additional info I can gather?
Use slabtop to monitor kernel memory pools. It may be interresting.
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With the right volume settings my FR is on a par with
my k700i.
After having buzz-fixed the phone, I followed all discussions about mixer
settings and I managed after many tries to raise sound quality (for other end)
from inaudible to barely audible.
I would be very interrested in your
Community can be another pot of gold. You can preorder the phones,
raise funds, etc (see blender, or wikipedia...).
That's how the small team behind the openpandora was successful.
Yes, the openpandora is not a phone and thus needs less paperwork,
administrative authorization and license fees,
-[ Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 09:20:56PM +1100, Carsten Haitzler ]
openpandora is a wonderful example of a big fat FAIL on this. it's last time
my
money goes to any such group/venture.
The fact is they proved community does not need to be backed up by
an industrial pot of gold to build this
Glad I read this. I completely agree, yet I would like to add another thing :
Lets consider the whole market for mobile devices. It's composed for one part of
the yupee techno addicts that want the latest gadget around, and for the other
part by other people that have either no special attraction
-[ Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 10:47:35PM +1100, Carsten Haitzler ]
a phone to make 40k units would be easily double that - if not triple. and
thats 2g only. 3g will bump that up again.
I don't know for other countries, but here in France the majority of
3g subscribers never use it. All day long
You can't just separate software from hardware. The fact is you can't have
open software without hardware specs, so open soft and open hard comes close
together. Go try to rebuild a kernel on a nokia open phone for instance,
and see what part of the phone hardware still works.
So what should we
Here is, I think, exactly what you ask for :
http://gitorious.org/kbosd
Easy to use, easy to hack.
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-[ Thu, Apr 01, 2010 at 12:28:00PM -0700, jeremy jozwik ]
http://gitorious.org/kbosd
is that link down? its been taking some time to load at my workplace.
Gitorious is slow at time (it's a ruby on rail thing).
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-[ Thu, Apr 01, 2010 at 10:37:59PM +0200, Vincent Meurisse ]
Don't forget to backup your data before updating.
BTW is there a procedure documented somewhere on how to proceed
to backup all contact datas + history + installed packages etc ?
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Following
proccess is not tested but should work:
Hmmm, the problem with qtmoko is that it works so great that
you do not have to reinstall it very often. So I forgot
which version I have installed.
Is there an info screen
-[ Sat, Apr 17, 2010 at 12:46:28AM -0300, Werner Almesberger ]
I'd worry a lot more about GUI and applications than about any bit
of hardware.
Agreed, and iPad imitators are probably going to discover once again that
software is a
very important component that can not be copied as easily
The design rocks :) !
Well,hopefully it won't take long until someone propose a case large
enough for the beagleboard.
Anyway, I'd be glad to preorder this + a supporting fee and I think
many people would be willing to support this project as well, so
maybe you could setup a preordering+support
-[ Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 12:41:23AM -0700, Brolin Empey ]
How many other people are in my situation?
The situation you describe is very similar to mine.
I'd prefer a glamo that's 10 times slower but a workable mic :)
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Please people stop spamming about line length.
If you MUA is so good then ask it to automatically split long lines :-p
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A pure software project is not interresting to me, and looks
like a going back.
Good luck anyway.
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Man, I was about bying a Nokia N9...
Count me in!
:-)
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Nice to hit main page.
Although it's always depressing to read the comments on /.
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Please everyone be prudent before claiming that this could be ready for
general users as a conventional phone. Last time we pretended the
openmoko was acceptable as a end-user product some non technical people
bought it, then had tons of troubles (buzz, bad sound quality), then
were responded
1. The GTA04 *requires* an FR / NEO1974.
This should serve as a request to get people who have these collecting
dust, selling them online. Maybe this should be made more explicit?
This isn't strictly true. The FR/Neo1974 is certainly the easiest way to get
screen, case, antennae,
-[ Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 02:56:50PM +0100, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller ]
Am 30.12.2011 um 10:27 schrieb ri...@happyleptic.org:
Talking about how the wifi firmware has been isolated so it cannot
interfere with the O/S is a great example.
If you are refering to how it was made
consumer device. There were other issues like poor battery performance,
echo/distortion on calls, which have been solved, for the most part, by
both software and kernel improvements.
You mean hardware and software improvements, don't you?
Freerunner does. There have been a few offerings
...to someone who think he can contribute something to this project.
I'm too lazy to package and ship it so the hacker would have to live
near Paris (fr).
I received it many time ago but haven't played with it yet (beside
installing the MoBo and checking it's working). Let's be honnest,
I won't
-[ Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 08:46:29PM +0100, Denis 'GNUtoo' Carikli ]
Which version(A3/A4/A5) is it?
GTA04 according to the sticker.
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