Re: OT: Ubuntu phone HTML5 / QML
Hi *, I think it's difficult to gain interest of new users if a new user must buy an old casing first of being able to use the new hardware also, old casings are a limited resource and are awful to look compared to newer and slimmer styles moreover the old casings eventually need to be modified (drilled) by the final user to host the camera just my 2cents, A21 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OT: Ubuntu phone HTML5 / QML
Well, that is not the goal of the GTA04A5 project. It was focussed right from the beginning (and therefore still is) to give those who already have a GTA02 a much more powerful processor and some newer peripherals. Like a replacement motor for an old car. I know, and also for me it's interesting a new engine for an old car, but you will never exit from the 12 statement if new users will remain cut off from the game, imho. your solution is directed only to a subset of older users and this can hardly embrace a wide audience that allows to lower the final prices from my pov, you are cutting out both: - fresh users, potentially interested in getting a real open phone - old users, interested in getting an open phone competitive on price -1 The price. for me it is afordable at 170 euro vs +/- 600 euro for a neo900 and slightly less for the GTA04A5 -2 The device is in mass production, compared to the volumes of GTA04 or neo900 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
bt slide keyboard
do you know if there is something similar usable with gta? http://www.usbgeek.com/collections/iphone/products/iphone5-case-slideout-keyboard ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
sandwich case idea
hello, what do you think about a multi layer case like this one, but made for GTA* ? http://www.pibow.com/ look the low price! I think something like this could also be made by a reprap or any 3D printer ...or laser cut service: http://www.vectorealism.com/en/make-a-product/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: power drain after wifi connection
I am quite sure they are not called after disconnect. I think that the kernel is responsible to turn wifi off in suspend (unless you want to keep it on during suspend e.g. for wake-on-wlan function). Yes, in suspend the kernel turns off the module completely, it shouldn't drain anything, at least it never used to. ok, after some testing sessions I can confirm a unbind/bind cycle can be used as workaround and the battery is in safe. also empirically, I feel my gta02 gets warm a little when in stdby if I do not unbind, removing the rear cover, in the area between the battery and the smile hole. instead if I never use wifi or unbind/rebind after the use, it keeps the normal (ambient) temperature. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: power drain after wifi connection
On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 6:02 AM, Paul Fertser fercer...@gmail.com wrote: Basically, ``ls /sys/bus/platform/drivers/s3c2440-sdi'', it should let you know if the module (even when built-in) is binded or not. It shouldn't be if you want the card to not drain the battery. ``echo s3c2440-sdi .../unbind'' (or bind) is how to handle this manually. thanks for the hint! but here it looks a little different: root@neo:~# find /sys/bus/ -name '*sdi*' /sys/bus/platform/devices/s3c2440-sdi /sys/bus/platform/drivers/s3c-sdi /sys/bus/platform/drivers/s3c-sdi/s3c2440-sdi /sys/bus/sdio /sys/bus/sdio/drivers/sdio_ar6000 the location is in devices and in drivers I see s3c-sdi so I can find the unbind here: root@neo:~# find /sys/bus/ -name '*unbind*'|grep sdi /sys/bus/platform/drivers/s3c-sdi/unbind /sys/bus/sdio/drivers/sdio_ar6000/unbind how I can check if it's in bind or unbind state? maybe the scripts in qtmoko try to unbind it using a wrong path? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: power drain after wifi connection
On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 12:08 PM, Paul Fertser fercer...@gmail.com wrote: Alfa21-mobile freerun...@my.is.it writes: so I can find the unbind here: root@neo:~# find /sys/bus/ -name '*unbind*'|grep sdi /sys/bus/platform/drivers/s3c-sdi/unbind ... how I can check if it's in bind or unbind state? If ar6000 is listed among the files at the path you mention, it's binded. maybe the scripts in qtmoko try to unbind it using a wrong path? Possibly so :) -- Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software! mailto:fercer...@gmail.com fine, root@neo:~# echo s3c2440-sdi /sys/bus/platform/drivers/s3c-sdi/unbind root@neo:~# find /sys/bus/ -name '*sdi*' /sys/bus/platform/devices/s3c2440-sdi /sys/bus/platform/drivers/s3c-sdi /sys/bus/sdio /sys/bus/sdio/drivers/sdio_ar6000 now I see in internet, wireless lan = unavailable and it's not possible to start a wifi connection. root@neo:~# echo s3c2440-sdi /sys/bus/platform/drivers/s3c-sdi/bind root@neo:~# find /sys/bus/ -name '*sdi*' /sys/bus/platform/devices/s3c2440-sdi /sys/bus/platform/drivers/s3c-sdi /sys/bus/platform/drivers/s3c-sdi/s3c2440-sdi /sys/bus/sdio /sys/bus/sdio/drivers/sdio_ar6000 now I see wifi ok and it's functional (verified also with arora browser) the strange thing (for me) is: why at boot time it's binded but does not consumes the battery untill the first wifi connection? btw I've to check if after that, a unbind/bind operation can fix this issue... I'll tell you asap! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: power drain after wifi connection
On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 12:44 PM, Radek Polak pson...@seznam.cz wrote: On Thursday 26 May 2011 12:08:07 Paul Fertser wrote: Alfa21-mobile freerun...@my.is.it writes: maybe the scripts in qtmoko try to unbind it using a wrong path? Possibly so :) You can run the script from terminal and see if it is ok. All the scripts are in /opt/qtmoko/bin - it's very easy to check what they do. hi radek,i can confirm they are correct: root@neo:~# grep -r sdi /opt/qtmoko/bin/ /opt/qtmoko/bin/wifi-bind.sh:echo s3c2440-sdi /sys/bus/platform/drivers/s3c-sdi/bind /opt/qtmoko/bin/wifi-unbind.sh:echo s3c2440-sdi /sys/bus/platform/drivers/s3c-sdi/unbind and are executables... but I do not know neither if they are called after a wifi disconnection, nor if after an unbind/bind cycle the power consumption during stdby returns to the same state like after a reboot (now I'm testing this one) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtMoko] USB charging (and network) from Windows 7
2011-05-25@00:05 Paul Fertser Alfa21 freerun...@my.is.it writes: 2011-05-24@14:15 Xavier Cremaschi If you try om utility (from omhacks package) it could have parameter for enabling fast charge. Then you can edit the Fast charge mode script so that it uses om command (and send the result to me so that i can commit it as patch ;-). Thanks for the hint. As soon as I will be able to log through ssh I will try to find a way to make it work (86ma is probably not enough to start WiFi) ah! keep in mind: if you enable wifi at least once in any boot cycle, your moko will drain more current than usual, also if you disconnect wifi and put the phone to sleep. Are you really sure? Because i'm not aware of any bugs in this area. Please clarify. here on my v34 the issue is 100% repeatable... I thought it was a known one, isn't it? sometimes I use wifi to check emails before going to sleep and can happens I forget to reboot my gta02, so the following morning I find my battery almost empty or phone in power-off state (it shuts down itself when the charge is under certain level) (IIRC there is nothing in the v35 changelog about this topic) -- ALFA21 IS PROVIDED AS IS AND WITHOUT WARRANTIES OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
power drain after wifi connection (was: [QtMoko] USB charging (and network) from Windows 7)
2011-05-25@23:31 Paul Fertser Hm, you do not spare too many details, do you :) Are you really sure the ar6000 module is unbinded when you disable wifi? sorry, I didn't know which kind of details you meant... root@neo:~# lsmod Module Size Used by sco 6501 4 bnep8748 2 rfcomm 30320 20 l2cap 28055 16 bnep,rfcomm ipv6 214344 16 ppp_generic18572 0 slhc4659 1 ppp_generic g_ether21328 0 s3c2410_udc11483 1 g_ether the same list before, during, after a successful wifi connection. I do not find any ar6000 in /lib/modules. root@neo:~# uname -a Linux neo 2.6.34.8-v33 #1 Thu Mar 3 21:19:00 CET 2011 armv4tl GNU/Linux btw, in neocontrol I see around 225000 discharging current both before and after wifi, during the connection I see 35. now I've half battery, tomorrow morning I'll tell you if it's empty... I do not know if it something like my phone does not go in deep sleep anymore after a wifi connection because I do not know how to check the power consumption during std-by state. -- ALFA21 IS PROVIDED AS IS AND WITHOUT WARRANTIES OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [qtmoko] power drain after wifi connection
2011-05-26@01:01 Timo Juhani Lindfors Alfa21 freerun...@my.is.it writes: btw, in neocontrol I see around 225000 discharging current Sounds wrong, are you using the backlight? If yes, turn it off :-) You might want to steal some ideas from my comment in http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/2277#comment:23 on how to measure wifi power consumption in a bit more reliable way. yes, the backlight is full on... but the interesting thing is the value does not change before/after the wifi connection. afaik the difference is in the std-by power consumption and I think any script does not run during the std-by power state. mmh.. a question: I do not remember how to verify if it goes in sleep or in deep-sleep -- ALFA21 IS PROVIDED AS IS AND WITHOUT WARRANTIES OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtMoko] USB charging (and network) from Windows 7
2011-05-24@14:15 Xavier Cremaschi If you try om utility (from omhacks package) it could have parameter for enabling fast charge. Then you can edit the Fast charge mode script so that it uses om command (and send the result to me so that i can commit it as patch ;-). Thanks for the hint. As soon as I will be able to log through ssh I will try to find a way to make it work (86ma is probably not enough to start WiFi) ah! keep in mind: if you enable wifi at least once in any boot cycle, your moko will drain more current than usual, also if you disconnect wifi and put the phone to sleep. you have to reboot your phone to actually cut down the power consumption after a wireless connection. ...so beware, because in 100mA charging mode maybe you are actually discharging the phone. -- ALFA21 IS PROVIDED AS IS AND WITHOUT WARRANTIES OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtMoko] faenqomod updated
2011-05-20@14:00 Joif Hi! This [¹] is a little update of FaenqoMod, changelog: - added two icons for the addressbook; - new layout for the home screen with a BIG clock (: - new layout for the titlebar with the great return of the clock close to the battery icon; Screenshots at http://db.tt/vG5D0yZ hi j, thank you for the new theme, I've installed on my phone and I like it... in particular both big and small clocks :) there is just one thing I prefer in Faenqo (not -Mod) and it's the battery charge indicator, because it does indicate the actual level while charging and not just a blinking effect. kind regards and good job :) -- ALFA21 IS PROVIDED AS IS AND WITHOUT WARRANTIES OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: About QtMoko future
Then we need debian packages for FSO stack (anyone know if they exists and what is the current status?) and we can start using it. you can look here: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=fsosearchon=namessuite=allsection=all ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: qtmoko v34 regressions in themes background preview
2011-03-31@14:36 Radek Polak * themes now use jpg for backgrounds to save space (Tiago Bortoletto Vaz) any updated theme now no longer display the background preview in appearance setting application. the only one visible in preview is, in faenqomod, the one labelled debian2. maybe the others does not have jpg thumbnails? or maybe this one is not a jpg and preview does not support jpg format? -- ALFA21 IS PROVIDED AS IS AND WITHOUT WARRANTIES OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: qtmoko v34 joydev is not loaded after an apt upgrade
2011-03-31@14:36 Radek Polak * accelerometers in QtMaze now work upgrading with apt, this is not fixed joydev is not in /etc/modules -- ALFA21 IS PROVIDED AS IS AND WITHOUT WARRANTIES OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: qtmoko v34 BlueTooth regressions
2011-03-31@14:36 Radek Polak If there are no regressions against v33 i think this release could be moved from exprimental to stable. hi, tnx for the new baby :) beware: themes and other apps are not included in apt repository, so they are not upgraded. new (34-1) qtmoko and linux packages are not digitally signed and we get an untrusted warning. a regression, not against v33 but maybe since the bluez4 upgrade: in paired devices when we connect an headset/handsfree there is no longer the green ball near the active one and if you have more than one device listed it's difficult to know which one is enabled. another regression always in bt is when you enable an headset/handsfree and gta goes to suspend mode loosing the connection, on incoming calls the bt connection is not re-established on wake and you have to answer from the phone. also, IIRC, older versions of qtmoko (~v19?) when an handsfree was active, the profile was automatically switched to car and that was nice because an user could configure a different power management to disable the suspend also if on battery: in fact when gta suspends it looses the connection to the handsfree and it's not possible to make calls managed by the external (bt) system. regards -- ALFA21 IS PROVIDED AS IS AND WITHOUT WARRANTIES OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[qtmoko] lost new contacts
hi all, again I see new contacts added to my addressbook disappears when I shut down my gta02... is it possible I'm the only one with this problem? recently,after a clean install of v33,I added few contacts (5) and they are here in my list, but now I loose any new contact. usually I add them from new received sms... but I do not think there is any difference. please tell me if i'm ok because I'm going crazy ;p kind regards ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: apps qtmoi
2011-03-27@10:07 Radek Polak Alfa21 mobile wrote: qsamegame: i'm not able to see the game board. I guess we need someone to fix it. qtopiagps: 404 .deb not found on the server. This app does not compile now probably because of api change in libgps. And it also uses GPSD which i was unable to make working in debian squeeze. Regards Radek mmh I think it's better to split the page between stable / experimental apps... (also maybe apps should be addons or something similar because a theme is not an application) about the 404 topic, if it's possible to use php or similar on the web server side should be possible to dynamically include subsections only when the related .deb is present (app compiled). [if you like I can do this in php] -- ALFA21 IS PROVIDED AS IS AND WITHOUT WARRANTIES OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
apps qtmoi
qsamegame: i'm not able to see the game board. qtopiagps: 404 .deb not found on the server. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Hackable1-user] First beta version of the DeforaOS smartphone environment on hackable:1
2011-03-21@11:48 Pierre Pronchery Is still adheres to the initial goal of hackable:1, as in: - based on Debian, - focusing on GNOME Mobile software and user experience. hi, I do not understand the second point... have you already considered LXDE, for example? can you argue this choice? My concerns are mainly about the GNOME footprint in a limited resource environment (and no, I've nothing against gnome's logo ^_^ hehehe) kind regards and tia for the answer(s)! -- ALFA21 IS PROVIDED AS IS AND WITHOUT WARRANTIES OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Qtmoko] automatic time?
2011-03-18@15:12 Vinzenz Hersche Hello all, one of my biggest problems is, that my time and date will be resetet from time to time. i know the solution with the hw-fix, but i didn't get time and stuff to do that. qtmoko also got a setting automatic which could be set to on, off or ask. if i like to use the automatic time (so set to on), i always got a message : no automatic time information is currently avaible, also when it got's internet. could i set anywhere a ntp-server or so to fix that? it would be nice if it correct the time/date when it got internet. the calendar/todo-list would be much more useable then. :) greets hi, I suggest you to install ntp on your freerunner after that, each time there is an internet connection of any kind, your system time will be automatically synchronized with a time server. (personally tested on usb, wifi, gprs) it's a system daemon, so it does not consider your qtmoko's setting. BEWARE: also if you do not want to hw-fix your rtc failed battery, you should set your rtc accordingly to your system time!! assuming you have a failed rtc battery, your rtc time will be ok until you remove usb cable and you do not have power from the main battery. so, to fix your rtc datetime, when needed, you have to: 1) log into your freerunner in SSH from another computer 2) close qtmoko program and verify no atd daemon is still running (or kill it) 3) verify your current system time is ok: date 4) synchronize rtc with system time: hwclock -w 5) verify your rtc is now ok: hwclock -r 6) reboot your moko: reboot -- ALFA21 IS PROVIDED AS IS AND WITHOUT WARRANTIES OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Qtmoko] automatic time?
2011-03-18@19:44 Alfa21 so, to fix your rtc datetime, when needed, you have to: 1) ... blah blah blah 6) reboot your moko: reboot sorry sorry sorry! valid but obsolete and comlex procedure given :P the new one, to write the date in your rtc, is just: (it's ok in qterminal also) 1) echo -n W /var/spool/at/trigger that's all! ;) you do not have to stop neither qpe nor atd -- ALFA21 IS PROVIDED AS IS AND WITHOUT WARRANTIES OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [qtmoko33] wifi wpa2-psk issue (was: qtmoko v33)
On Wednesday, March 16, 2011 13:17:56, Radek Polak wrote: On Tuesday 08 March 2011 22:29:22 Alfa21 wrote: 2011-03-05@17:14 Alfa21 2011-03-05@12:42 Radek Polak * unable to connect wifi wpa2-psk Was is working in some older versions? It can be bug either in wpa_supplicatant or in qmoko wifi plugin that creates configuration for wpa_supplicant. Does it work when you setup wpa_supplicant from command line? I am trying to connect WPA2-psk here and it does not work too :( previously I had v31 and it was ok, but only on the first attempt and then I needed to reboot (rebooted also because wifi didn't stop and battery drain empty in few hours) the blue led in v31 did never turn on while connected. before v31 it was all ok... IIRC hi, I tried to manually configure the wifi link: as you can read below, seems to be something different with the wpa driver in v33... Hmm i just tested wpa2-psk here at work and it works (only the first connect after reboot). But it can be of course different AP. You could try to enable Networking category in Settings-Logging and send me full log. Or you could try to replace wpa_supplicant with package from lenny. But I am not wifi expert so cant promise anything. Regards Radek hi radek, i'm sorry for the silence. i found the solution about this topic: 1) qtmoko doesn't kill wpa-supplicant closing wifi the first good time, this is bad! 2) because of previous point i messed too much and missconfigured my ap.. so i tried with wrong settings, ignore me: current supplicant is ok! 3) remains the problem of battery discharge when you disconnect from wifi:maybe interface doesn't go to sleep?btw i can force this by script (wifi off) regards! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: qtmoko33 regression in qtmaze (was: [cutemaze] on [qtmoko 33] howto control moves?)
On Tuesday, March 15, 2011 14:50:00, Radek Polak wrote: On Tuesday 08 March 2011 22:49:19 Alfa21 mobile wrote: ouch! you're right: qtmaze regression, the ball stuck firmly in the initial position! IIRC you need modprobe joydev I'll try to fix it for next release. Regards Radek fix confirmed here! :) tnx ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [qtmoko33] wifi wpa2-psk issue (was: qtmoko v33)
3) remains the problem of battery discharge when you disconnect from wifi:maybe interface doesn't go to sleep?btw i can force this by script (wifi off) I think we can add this to wifi script as well. I will do it tomorrow at work where i can test it. Regards Radek no, beware! if you turn off wifi in that way, then the line in internet gui tells no wifi interfaces available! it's too low level in that way, imo. i would prefer a way which put the interface in its initial state but keeps it available and not removed. i've to check but maybe killing supplicant is just enough... i'll verify and report you about that. regards ps: now i'm on wifi with qtmoko email client, from a pub's hotspot ;) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[qtmoko33] wifi doesn't power off and drains the battery (was: qtmoko v33)
On Sat, Mar 5, 2011 at 5:14 PM, Alfa21 freerun...@my.is.it wrote: previously I had v31 and it was ok, but only on the first attempt and then I needed to reboot (rebooted also because wifi didn't stop and battery drain empty in few hours) quoting myself to report this bug is present in v33 too: if you successfully connect to any wifi network (in v33 only open networs are accessible) then the hardware remains in active state, draining the battery flat in few hours depsite you disable the connection via the software interface. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [qtmoko33] wifi doesn't power off and drains the battery (was: qtmoko v33)
yes, I can confirm, with the command: echo s3c2440-sdi /sys/bus/platform/drivers/s3c-sdi/unbind the battery charge is in safe :) tnx! On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 2:29 PM, W. B. Kranendonk wankelwan...@yahoo.com wrote: --- On Wed, 3/9/11, Alfa21-mobile freerun...@my.is.it wrote: if you successfully connect to any wifi network (in v33 only open networs are accessible) then the hardware remains in active state, draining the battery flat in few hours depsite you disable the connection via the software interface. Ah, that explains..! I had such an idea, after my battery ran out much faster than I expected. In general, is there a GUI-feedback on the neo-quick-settings (or what is it, top left icon with the cogwheels when using Faenqo?) For now, I put most of them in favourites, so that I will return to home after successfully clicking something. The current status of some of them I have been able to find back in the GUI, so I understand that for now /proc can be consulted for the current status? Boudewijn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: bug: sd card not unmounting
no, not here. I've v33 and works for me! (full installation on uSD with 3 partitions: storage/rootfs/swap) rather, are you 100% sure about your hardware clock? otherwise system vs rtc clock skews may trigger a check of the filesystem! regards. On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 6:36 PM, dmatthews.org m...@dmatthews.org wrote: I do think this is a bug new in v33 as described below any shutdown/reboot, whether from commandline or gui, means that a fsck of the card reports it was not cleanly unmounted. I ran lsof | grep /media/card to show no open files - but this is too regular (100% reproducible) and never happened after a clean shutdown on v26. In any case the system should force a close of any unopen files and an umount before it shuts down. I automount a sd card partition (ext2); the system does not seem to unmount it cleanly. It makes no difference whether I halt or reboot either from the gui or commandline; when the neo comes back up if I fsck the card it reports that it was not unmounted cleanly. -- David Matthews m...@dmatthews.org ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Buzz Fix
2011-03-09@12:05 Wesley Frazier Pretty familiar with alsamixer, although what do I need to do to save the scenario file? in a shell: alsactl -f /my/path/to/test.scenario store Do you think it is worth my time to pursue getting the buzzfix or should I just wait for the GTA04 ? Whats the expected release date / price ? I think you should try with the mixer. afaik there is no release date by now for the upcoming gta04. -- ALFA21 IS PROVIDED AS IS AND WITHOUT WARRANTIES OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: bug: sd card not unmounting
2011-03-09@20:26 Neil Jerram Interesting. Is there a way to check for the filesystem was not unmounted cleanly status without removing the uSD and taking it to another computer? Neil yes, you can play with the usb file storage gadget module. == /opt/qtmoko/bin/usb-mass-storage-on.sh it should be quite the same as accessing the uSD as inserted into an usb reader. (btw there is a known bug with g_file_storage module in v33 and you could get a kernel panic) -- ALFA21 IS PROVIDED AS IS AND WITHOUT WARRANTIES OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Faenqo theme] date/time
I'm sorry for the name error (I've just copy/pasted it from the apps page) about the theme, personally, I'd like the both small and big (huge) clock solution in the two positions. they should be both visible also when the lock and key are showed on screen... maybe lateral place or vertical if possible. kind regards and good work. On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 10:49 AM, cyberesprit cyberesp...@cyberesprit.fr wrote: Hello! Thanks Joif for your help ^^ Well, it could be an interesting idea to have a date/time indicator that appears in the titlebar only when you are not at the homescreen. Excellent ! If I removed the date and time, it is because I found it unnecessary to see all the time .. but you're not alone in asking this question. In some applications, the time may be obscured by the widget that lets you change keyboard. Now, if the possibility of giving the choice to the user in configuring the theme would be possible .. it would be great Volunteers? ^^ Le mardi 08 mars 2011 09:57:48, Francesco De Vita a écrit : Hi! He is cyberesprit not cyberspirit ;) About the position of the date/time it is possibile to move it near the carghe indicator. But because we have much space in the homescreen, do you prefer to have the date/time indicator only in the titlebar (in the top) or to have it also in the homescreen (it is a redundancy, but a bigger date/time indicator here is easier to read)? Well, it could be an interesting idea to have a date/time indicator that appears in the titlebar only when you are not at the homescreen. Regards Joif ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[qtmoko] email client bug with multipart/mixed
I think qtmoko's email client program does not support mixed multipart. when I receive an email of that kind i see: Name 0 multipart/alternative Type multipart/alternative No viewer available no problem with multipart/alternative kind of email. you can see pasted below selected email headers of booth OK and NOT_OK kind of emails. THIS IS OK Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Boundary-01=_5xhdN/yWqqx2+tj Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: 201103081309.29361.cyberesp...@cyberesprit.fr --Boundary-01=_5xhdN/yWqqx2+tj Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable /THIS IS OK THIS IS NOT OK Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary0406204840== Sender: community-boun...@lists.openmoko.org Errors-To: community-boun...@lists.openmoko.org --===0406204840== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Boundary-01=_uufdNynmOmBH6MN Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --Boundary-01=_uufdNynmOmBH6MN Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable /THIS IS NOT OK ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[qtmoko33] usb storage issue and kernel panic (was Re: qtmoko v33)
On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 10:16 PM, Alfa21 freerun...@my.is.it wrote:
* fixed usb mass storage script
I like the added logic to use the whole sdcard or a specific partition!
btw why in fstab you consider swap on p4? is there any doc about use of p3 in
qtmoko?
(I usually set uSD's p1 as storage, p2 as rootfs, p3 as swap)
ah, about fs type... do you consider for future releases using btrfs or ext4?
I know they have optimizations for flash memory kind of storage.
hi radek,
I modified the last line in on script like:
#modprobe g_file_storage file=${DEV_NAME} stall=0
modprobe g_file_storage file=${DEV_NAME} stall=0 removable=y
this because otherwise (at least with a specific single partition
scenario) the usb drive is not usable with windows.
with linux and my home tv-set and home theater is always accessible,
with or without the removable=y directive.
this change just add the compatibility with windows OS (tested on winXP).
btw, both now and before, I get kernel panic changing usb mode back
and forth storage/ethernet more than twice... :(
I'm not able to tell more on this issue because on reboot do not see
anything interesting inside logs :S
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[qtmoko33 regression] segfaults moving items in star menu (was: qtmoko v33)
2011-03-05@17:14 Alfa21 * got some segfaults changing the theme and then opening the dialer IIRC it crashed here to, but after restart it was ok. yeah, the same here... it's not a show stopper bug. another segfault always reproducible and no workaround available AFAIK to sort items in preferred menu: - long pres aux button - in starred tab, long press on the item you want to move up/down - select in contextual menu move - select its final position in the list = segmentation fault, qpe restarts, items keeps old positions this was ok in the previous qtmoko release I had (v31) -- ALFA21 IS PROVIDED AS IS AND WITHOUT WARRANTIES OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[qtmoko33] wifi wpa2-psk issue (was: qtmoko v33)
2011-03-05@17:14 Alfa21 2011-03-05@12:42 Radek Polak * unable to connect wifi wpa2-psk Was is working in some older versions? It can be bug either in wpa_supplicatant or in qmoko wifi plugin that creates configuration for wpa_supplicant. Does it work when you setup wpa_supplicant from command line? I am trying to connect WPA2-psk here and it does not work too :( previously I had v31 and it was ok, but only on the first attempt and then I needed to reboot (rebooted also because wifi didn't stop and battery drain empty in few hours) the blue led in v31 did never turn on while connected. before v31 it was all ok... IIRC hi, I tried to manually configure the wifi link: as you can read below, seems to be something different with the wpa driver in v33... Initializing interface 'eth0' conf '/etc/wpa_supplicant/test.conf' driver 'default' ctrl_interface 'N/A' bridge 'N/A' Configuration file '/etc/wpa_supplicant/test.conf' - '/etc/wpa_supplicant/test.conf' Reading configuration file '/etc/wpa_supplicant/test.conf' ctrl_interface='/var/lib/wpa_supplicant' ctrl_interface_group='0' eapol_version=1 fast_reauth=1 ap_scan=1 Priority group 0 id=0 ssid='A21_net' Initializing interface (2) 'eth0' Interface eth0 set UP - waiting a second for the driver to complete initialization SIOCGIWRANGE: WE(compiled)=22 WE(source)=13 enc_capa=0x0 capabilities: key_mgmt 0x0 enc 0x3 flags 0x0 ioctl[SIOCSIWESSID]: Invalid argument WEXT: Operstate: linkmode=1, operstate=5 Own MAC address: 00:XX:XX:XX:XX:XX wpa_driver_wext_set_wpa wpa_driver_wext_set_key: alg=0 key_idx=0 set_tx=0 seq_len=0 key_len=0 ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODEEXT]: Operation not supported Driver did not support SIOCSIWENCODEEXT, trying SIOCSIWENCODE wpa_driver_wext_set_key: alg=0 key_idx=1 set_tx=0 seq_len=0 key_len=0 ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODEEXT]: Operation not supported Driver did not support SIOCSIWENCODEEXT, trying SIOCSIWENCODE wpa_driver_wext_set_key: alg=0 key_idx=2 set_tx=0 seq_len=0 key_len=0 ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODEEXT]: Operation not supported Driver did not support SIOCSIWENCODEEXT, trying SIOCSIWENCODE wpa_driver_wext_set_key: alg=0 key_idx=3 set_tx=0 seq_len=0 key_len=0 ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODEEXT]: Operation not supported Driver did not support SIOCSIWENCODEEXT, trying SIOCSIWENCODE wpa_driver_wext_set_countermeasures wpa_driver_wext_set_drop_unencrypted RSN: flushing PMKID list in the driver Setting scan request: 0 sec 10 usec -- ALFA21 IS PROVIDED AS IS AND WITHOUT WARRANTIES OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
qtmoko33 regression in qtmaze (was: [cutemaze] on [qtmoko 33] howto control moves?)
On Tuesday, March 8, 2011 21:32:55, Joif wrote: Hi! Are we talking about QtMaze? If so I noticed that in the v33, and at least in QtMaze, the accelerometers do not work. Instead, the new game Gottet (a tetris clone) that I found in the apps page, seems to not have any kind of control buttons. I don't know if in previous version of QtMoko it worked ouch! you're right: qtmaze regression, the ball stuck firmly in the initial position! but no, cutemaze is a different game affected by the same issue you have found in gottet. regards ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Buzz Fix
2011-03-08@21:04 Wesley Frazier Anybody have any tips on mitigating the buzz? If I have a model with the buzz, will grabbing the GTA04 motherboard when it comes out correct it? try to low the gain of your mic with alsamixer during a call and if you like the result save the status in the scenario file(s) the drawback is you have to speak loud about gta04: it's a completely different hardware to be put inside your case, not an upgrade module for gta02 board... the only thing you keep from your current phone is just the plastic case and the display ;) (+the battery, maybe) (and I hope we don't have similar hw issues in the new gta04 too! ^_^) -- ALFA21 IS PROVIDED AS IS AND WITHOUT WARRANTIES OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
qtmoko theme and answer usability
hi qtmoko theme designers, some month ago someone said there is a theme with a slider for the answer/busy actions... can you point me out which is? (I do not remember the name and where I can download it) tia! -- ALFA21 IS PROVIDED AS IS AND WITHOUT WARRANTIES OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
messages through background [was Re: qtmoko v33]
2011-03-05@17:14 Alfa21 * visible kernel messages through the graphic desktop of qtmoko Kernel should not print anything except serious errors. That should be fixed in kernel instead. Do you know which message did you see? it's the console output, not only kernel messages, sorry. in v31 for example I was able to see messages about wifi connection/dhcp again on this topic: I can see painted over the background image ^@ for each time I press the AUX button -- ALFA21 IS PROVIDED AS IS AND WITHOUT WARRANTIES OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[cutemaze] on [qtmoko 33] howto control moves?
hi, I've installed cutemaze on my qtmoko33 from the apps web page. someone can explain me how to control my direction in the game, pls? what's the binding of up/down/left/right/space? ...no touchscreen, no accelerometers... tia! -- ALFA21 IS PROVIDED AS IS AND WITHOUT WARRANTIES OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[Faenqo theme] date/time
hi Cyberspirit, I like your faenqo theme and I've adopted it for my freerunner because with the small footprint of the head-bar I've more usable screen space. the only drawback I can find is the position of the date and time... can you please move them near the charge indicator? otherwise it's not possible to see them while an application is running, eg: arora or any other. kind regards ps: actually I like the just 3 buttons solution (also because now I've configured the autolock on suspend feature) and the ability to see the battery level also while it's charging, instead of a blinking christmas tree with no information ;) -- ALFA21 IS PROVIDED AS IS AND WITHOUT WARRANTIES OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: qtmoko v33
2011-03-04@23:50 Gennady Kupava В Птн, 04/03/2011 в 22:16 +0100, Alfa21 пишет: * new theme faenqo (cyberspirit) nice, but how to lock the screen? :P in pull-up menu on main screen, first item is screen lock Gennady doh! thanks a lot ^^' i like it :D -- ALFA21 IS PROVIDED AS IS AND WITHOUT WARRANTIES OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: qtmoko v33
2011-03-05@12:42 Radek Polak * unable to connect wifi wpa2-psk Was is working in some older versions? It can be bug either in wpa_supplicatant or in qmoko wifi plugin that creates configuration for wpa_supplicant. Does it work when you setup wpa_supplicant from command line? I am trying to connect WPA2-psk here and it does not work too :( previously I had v31 and it was ok, but only on the first attempt and then I needed to reboot (rebooted also because wifi didn't stop and battery drain empty in few hours) the blue led in v31 did never turn on while connected. before v31 it was all ok... IIRC * got some segfaults changing the theme and then opening the dialer IIRC it crashed here to, but after restart it was ok. yeah, the same here... it's not a show stopper bug. * removed package vim-tiny from v33 .tgz, please re-add it as default ;) Hmm i am trying to keep the image as small as possible. I'd rather prefer if people could install they favourite apps with apt-get. I agree, but I think vi/vim is quite a basic tool in any distribution. I'd remove nano instead, not so common as vi is. btw, nano is 1786kB, vim-tiny is 1114kB ;) * visible kernel messages through the graphic desktop of qtmoko Kernel should not print anything except serious errors. That should be fixed in kernel instead. Do you know which message did you see? it's the console output, not only kernel messages, sorry. in v31 for example I was able to see messages about wifi connection/dhcp btw why in fstab you consider swap on p4? is there any doc about use of p3 in qtmoko? (I usually set uSD's p1 as storage, p2 as rootfs, p3 as swap) I used to partition my SD card like: p1 for vfat p2 for qtmoko p3 for android/SHR p4 for swap I dont know if it's good idea to change this scheme. You can always make p3 and p4 partitions to match this scheme. ok, no problem for me as I can edit fstab... but at logic level I think p3 for android/shr is not strictly necessary for qtmoko and in general for a clean qtmoko phone ;) ah, about fs type... do you consider for future releases using btrfs or ext4? I know they have optimizations for flash memory kind of storage. IIRC you can use ext4 - it's compiled in kernel. Btrfs could be nice, but i dont know if it makes sence now - e.g. if it performs good on FR. Unless someone benchmarks it and proves that it works good on FR i'd like to keep support only for ext2/ext3/ext4. tried ext4 without success... I think it's just qi(v33) problem, maybe it lacks ext4 support. kind regards, a. -- ALFA21 IS PROVIDED AS IS AND WITHOUT WARRANTIES OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
getty optimization, 3MB ram free and 6 running process less
hi community I see in /etc/inittab we usually spawn 6 getty: 1:2345:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty1 2:23:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty2 3:23:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty3 4:23:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty4 5:23:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty5 6:23:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty6 I think we can comment out them all to free 3MB of ram and to have less running useless programs. on my phone I've no tty active: I login only from ssh or from gui. (obviously virtual terminal is not affected by this change) -- ALFA21 IS PROVIDED AS IS AND WITHOUT WARRANTIES OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[qtmoko] call history, name/number association lost after each reboot
hi radek, I see in the call history application, the name/number association for new calls is kept only until qpe reboot. on a new boot we can see only numbers for the previous calls, names are lost. new calls are ok again... until next reboot. -- ALFA21 IS PROVIDED AS IS AND WITHOUT WARRANTIES OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: qtmoko v33
Here is list of changes since v32: any difference since the previous exp. release of qi? I can see a v33 now... * new web with applications and themes [4] col! this is the killer point of the new release! ^_^ I suggest you to add a default bookmark in arora browser (maybe instead of reddit!) My plan for next version is to fix regression if you find any * unable to connect wifi wpa2-psk * got some segfaults changing the theme and then opening the dialer * removed package vim-tiny from v33 .tgz, please re-add it as default ;) * visible kernel messages through the graphic desktop of qtmoko * orange (charge) led is dark, but I like it more :) * new theme faenqo (cyberspirit) nice, but how to lock the screen? :P * fixed usb mass storage script I like the added logic to use the whole sdcard or a specific partition! btw why in fstab you consider swap on p4? is there any doc about use of p3 in qtmoko? (I usually set uSD's p1 as storage, p2 as rootfs, p3 as swap) ah, about fs type... do you consider for future releases using btrfs or ext4? I know they have optimizations for flash memory kind of storage. -- ALFA21 IS PROVIDED AS IS AND WITHOUT WARRANTIES OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: qtmoko v32 (experimental) - led indicators
hi, since v31 I fount a reduced led light under the power button (near the usb port) while it's connected and charging the orange is really soft and almost unnoticeable I don't know if it's a wanted change or a bug a similar issue with the wifi blue led, but it remains completely off and it's now unclear when we have an open connection unless we open the internet tool. (also we don't have an icon on the display... eg like the G for gprs) regards -- ALFA21 IS PROVIDED AS IS AND WITHOUT WARRANTIES OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: qtmoko, address book issue (v32 edition)
here I am again on this topic ;P I know you are going to kill me because I insist too much on it :D today I switched from v31 to v32, both of them stored on my uSD as rootfs. iirc I added in my address book with v31 at least 5 new contacts. now I've ereased the uSD (mkfs) and installed v32 right after the first boot and waiting for the full load of the contacts from my sim I noticed, first of all, every name is now truncated at 12 chars... but this is off topic here. but the other thing on which I'm 100% sure is two of the new contacts I had in previous system is now disappeared. I think they was stored only on the sqlite file and not copied on the sim card too. the other was saved correctly, or almost... I do not know yet if 12chars length is only a presentation/cosmetic bug now I've added a new, single, contact in v32 saving the number from a message (the sender of the sms) with a label of 11chars, powered down my gta02, booted and now it's correctly there in my address book... no bug this time -- ALFA21 IS PROVIDED AS IS AND WITHOUT WARRANTIES OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Wrong date/ time in QtMoko v31 and v32
2011-01-30@19:00 Daniel MT Hey there. Every time I restart the system the date/ time is reseted to the epoch (using v31 and v32 installed on the sd card). While booting I get several suspicious messages like RTC_RD_Time: invalid argument or pcf50633-rtc pcf50633-rtc.0: hctosys: unable to read the hardware clock I attached the output of dmesg at http://pastebin.com/GUKUrCu6 Any hint?, please. 1) hctosys and any access to the rtc in general is not possible while the qtmoko's AT daemon is running... stop qpe and kill it! :) 2) it resets to epoch if you remove the main battery and your backup battery is died, but if you do not remove the battery and you have a wrong date at reboot you just have to set correctly the rtc (1). btw I do not understand why the qtmoko's at daemon do not allows the access to rtc and I think this is an issue. I tried also to install the debian version of the at daemon, disabling the qtmoko's one (also creating symlinks to the other command), but I've serious problems with alarm/clock interface in qtmoko... -- ALFA21 IS PROVIDED AS IS AND WITHOUT WARRANTIES OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: some advertising
2011-01...@19:03 Sylvain Paré ps if you don't like/have flash http://pare.sylvain.perso.sfr.fr/video/FRvsP2.ogg (nice .ogg) ouch... unbelievable! palm boot time is really slow ;P (aah, I really miss the 3310 era) -- ALFA21 IS PROVIDED AS IS AND WITHOUT WARRANTIES OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Good evening to everyone
2011-01...@22:20 Radek Polak Its probably not related to setting alsa controls. Is it always reproducible? I had problems that the answer button after click becomes hang call button and you can very easily click twice. It's my plan to fix this somehow in future. on this topic I suggested a slider control or the two classic distinct buttons green/red to answer/hangup or touch gestures. in this way we can use the phone with less attention or in difficult situations. (moving, running, driving, meetings, keeping it into the poket...) -- ALFA21 IS PROVIDED AS IS AND WITHOUT WARRANTIES OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: qtmoko, new contacts deleted on reboot
2011-01...@22:30 Brian Kemp In my experience w/ qtmoko v26 (haven't tested v31 yet) your contacts aren't deleted - it's that loading contacts from SIM is best measured in minutes rather than seconds. It is quite slow. no, no... that's another bug I'm saying the new contacts are lost, the others (older ones) are all still there! task I do to reproduce: - open a received call from an unknown visible number - push the button save to contacts - create new? = yes - usually I receive calls from mobiles, so I select the third icon home+mobi (empty) - write the name of the contact - press the green arrow to save - the edit form is closed - the incoming number is now correctly matched with the saved name - the contact is in the address book ::reboot:: or ::shutdown+power:: - enter the pin and wait a while - the address book is loaded with my contacts stored on the sim - the new contact is not listed I can see and confirm also with a regular phone the new contact is missing on the address book of the sim card. -- ALFA21 IS PROVIDED AS IS AND WITHOUT WARRANTIES OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
qtmoko, new contacts deleted on reboot
hello, when I add contacts to my address-book from a received sms or voice call, it's highly probable I loose them after a reboot. that happens not always but in 90% of cases. my sim card is half free for new contacts. also, I see if I do not enter my pin code for a while after a new boot, few contacts are loaded in read only... maybe from the sqlight file, but the sim is ignored. this kind of contacts are lost if I change the qtmoko installation (pristine installation) probably because they are not in the sim too. also, I can't see anymore the copy contact to the sim menu (or similar caption)... but I'm probably confused now. -- ALFA21 IS PROVIDED AS IS AND WITHOUT WARRANTIES OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: bugs QtMoko v31
2011-01...@18:07 Radek Polak - I'm no longer able to connect to wifi and while I try I see console messages over the framebuffer graphic screen - gprs does not connect too No longer means that in v30 it worked? I dont see any messages and my wifi connects. Maybe we have different setup? Do you use qi or uboot? I have tested both gprs and wifi and it works, also it works for others. We have to find out what is wrong. Please give as much details as possible. sorry, with wifi I was out of the covered range due of interferences from a cordless phone near the antenna: in other words it's ok! btw I do see console messages through the framebuffer screen (like white terminal line over the graphic gui) every time I enable/disable the wifi connection. maybe it's related to the vt switch? about the gprs the problem is the multiplexer: when it's enabled it's not possible to use the gprs data connection. when you turn off the multiplexer it's ok but it's highly probable to loose sms or calls. - the long awaited rollback for the power profile when locked is still on the to-do list I was trying to look at it and at first sight i havent found what is wrong. I have to find the discussion we had last time to refresh my memory. the culprit is the on lock scenario because all the profiles (general, silent, meeting...etc) could support different power management properties each, but maybe the saved array does not take in account a third choice other than on cable and on battery and so begin the chaos both in the gui and in the actual values used in memory. by now it'd be safe to rollback to the original state and forget about the on lock buggy feature. we can achieve the same feature just configuring ad-hoc different profiles. the current implementation has too much negative side effects. - if you put qtmoko on uSD you cannot use the usb-storage because /opt/qtmoko/bin/usb-mass-storage-on.sh tries to use (and unmount) the whole uSD instead of a single partition and the root with qtmoko is on the same device Any ideas how to solve this? I sent to you an early suggested workaround: in the current on script you have to specify a single partition instead of the whole uSD eg: my current partition table is mmcblk0p1=/media/card (fat32 used as usb storage), p2=/ (qtmoko root), p3=swap (little extra memory). in the script I've specified to use only p1 and commented out / modified all the mount checks because they works only with a whole device in mind. I'm not saying this is a nice solution but at least it does not destroy your qtmoko/root filesystem! (-dangerous only if you have qtmoko on uSD too) kind regards and good year to all folks! -- ALFA21 IS PROVIDED AS IS AND WITHOUT WARRANTIES OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
bugs QtMoko v31
2010-12...@16:40 Radek Polak - better layout in docked keyboard you can now remove the folded arrows keys and make the others bigger (home, ins, del...) bugs: - I'm no longer able to connect to wifi and while I try I see console messages over the framebuffer graphic screen - gprs does not connect too - the long awaited rollback for the power profile when locked is still on the to-do list - if you put qtmoko on uSD you cannot use the usb-storage because /opt/qtmoko/bin/usb-mass-storage-on.sh tries to use (and unmount) the whole uSD instead of a single partition and the root with qtmoko is on the same device -- ALFA21 IS PROVIDED AS IS AND WITHOUT WARRANTIES OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Future of projects.openmoko.org
2010-12...@22:57 Risto H. Kurppa If somebody steps forwared to take the existing information and put all of the repositories + downloads online somewhere (read-only) for historic reference, I'd be more than happy to provide the respective account/data. Regards, Harald -- - Harald Welte lafo...@gnumonks.org http://laforge.gnumonks.org/ Privacy in residential applications is a desirable marketing option. (ETSI EN 300 175-7 Ch. A6) hi, if nobody else, maybe I could put all the whole stuff on a virtual machine in a cluster of mine... if you are interested, can I have a detailed information about how much storage is needed, daily transferred data (I+O) and bandwidth used, opened port(s) on the ip and the list of software packages needed? (it'll be a debian-stable vm) I've cpu, but not so much storage available on-line. do you need an ssh account or application(s)-admin(s) are enough? let me know! a. -- ALFA21 IS PROVIDED AS IS AND WITHOUT WARRANTIES OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [ANN]: GTA04 (Beagleboard inspired Openmoko Upgrade) - Early Adpoter Program
2010-12...@08:49 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller The main idea to provide a display is that not everyone wants to disassemble the freerunner core module (PCB + Display) to easily swap both. eh! I'm one of them ;P btw, on the order page I see: Si4721 (FM transceiver) ...UH?! I can transmit my broadcast? :D or do you plan to use gta04 like a C.B. radio? ^_^ I think it's a typo 73-51! :) -- ALFA21 IS PROVIDED AS IS AND WITHOUT WARRANTIES OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [ANN]: GTA04 (Beagleboard inspired Openmoko Upgrade) - Early Adpoter Program
2010-12...@19:29 Cedric Cellier -[ Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 09:58:06AM +0100, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller ] The idea behind such chips is to send sound and RDS messages to your FM car radio. I.e. have your radio display a caller ID or navigation hints. The n900 from Nokia does just this. Apparently they didn't care if it's allowed or not :) maybe we can just put a disclaimer and/or disable that feature in software by default. (a patch or option in a file could switch that feature in operative mode) btw I'm interested in usb host/guest switch mode... will gta04 support that like the current gta02 does? usb2 or 1.1? as a final note I think it could be interesting to put a compatible connector or an optional adapter/cable to couple the gta04 with the tablet/keyboard options made by always innovating ie: replacing their mid device with the gta04 (or at least keep open the possibility to connect any external bigger display and standard keyboard) -- ALFA21 IS PROVIDED AS IS AND WITHOUT WARRANTIES OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [ANN]: GTA04 (Beagleboard inspired Openmoko Upgrade) - Early Adpoter Program
2010-12...@14:21 W. B. Kranendonk That reminds me... The BeagleBoard can provide up to 1280*1024 or 1280*720 if I recall correctly. Do we have options to channel that power out of the box? Nikolaus already stated that it should be possible to switch LCD's; does that make it possible to redirect that information to a connector that can be hooked up to such a bigger display? While writing I realize I'm asking for something that's not worth the effort ;-) why not?? If all we need is a piece of copper (w/o logic inside) cable... today we have many tv-set with hdmi, dvi, vga ports all around us! we could go in any hotel and use that tv-screen and feel like at home with our mobile computing! no notebook/netbook needed, only our phone, a keyboard and a piece of cable! :) (for the mouse we have an LCD touchpad hehe) -- ALFA21 IS PROVIDED AS IS AND WITHOUT WARRANTIES OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Someone is trying to patent Quickwriting
I think the concept behind quickwriting is unrelated to the numbers of zones but the way you use them to write. http://mrl.nyu.edu/~perlin/experiments/quikwriting/ The basic conceit of Quikwriting is that you make a character by moving your pen first out of, and then back into, a central resting done. So drawing a character is sort of like drawing a flower petal. Below is the very first demo I made for it btw, in this page I read also: Then several things happened. Microsoft got interested in it and licensed it from NYU (thereby helping to support our research!) so, I think it's not free :P On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 9:05 AM, Daniele Ricci daniele.ath...@gmail.com wrote: Cross-posting for broadcasting Justus idea. On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 00:00, Justus Winter 4win...@informatik.uni-hamburg.de wrote: I am also tempted to mail the person(s?) behind 8pen addressing my concerns about his attempt to patent the idea, maybe even challenge his position stating that I would not recognize his claim. I believe the company is based in France (information is a scarce resource on both the 8pen and the companies (3qubits) one, I did a whois query). I'd be very interested whether such a patent is enforceable within the EU... I already did a few days ago; just a couple of mails... the interest part is this: === message received from them === Dear Daniele, In fact we did not know about the Quickwriting method that you have pointed out to us. It strikes us as an incredible coincidence. We're not interested in engaging into a legal debate, but in the development of an efficient alternative to conventional keyboards on small devices. However, intellectual property law does apply, and copying the 8pen does violate it within the scope set by the patent previously referred to. We're not dealing personally with issues that are in conflict with our patent, or that violate it, but we have instead passed them on to the lawyers who have filed it. === my reply Dear Daniele, In fact we did not know about the Quickwriting method that you have pointed out to us. It strikes us as an incredible coincidence. We're not interested in engaging into a legal debate, but in the development of an efficient alternative to conventional keyboards on small devices. Me neither I am interested in a legal debate, I just wanted to let you know that your idea is not original, thus it can't be applied for patenting. Anyway we'll wait for your patent approval. However, intellectual property law does apply, and copying the 8pen does violate it within the scope set by the patent previously referred to. We're not dealing personally with issues that are in conflict with our patent, or that violate it, but we have instead passed them on to the lawyers who have filed it. Of course i won't name my program 8pen for Linux. I guess editing Quickwriting to use 4 zones instead of 9 would violate your patent too? If Quickwriting was easily configurable to change the number of zones, how could this be handled? = end = Would anybody care to join me on this one? We could create a message or a message template and ask everyone send this message to the person behind the 8pen (crowdsourcing seems to be the catchy phrase for this approach...). Cheers, Justus Sure, i'm with you 110% :-) -- Daniele ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Someone is trying to patent Quickwriting
On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 1:11 PM, Jon 'maddog' Hall mad...@li.org wrote: Not necessarily. There can be dual licensing, like in MySQP, which would allow for a not-for-profit or open source licensing. you are right, but they are not saying it's for free neither. I tried to contact that email address for nyu licensing but it's not an active mailbox :S (bounced email) also tried to email perlin but no response. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Backup batteries installed
2010-11...@21:23 Benjamin Deering I have had the capacitors installed for a few days now and they are still working well. I left the FR with a dead battery overnight and when I plugged it in in the following day, it had the correct time. The digikey part number is: 728-1037-1-ND and the manufacturer's number (seiko) is: XH414H-II06E. I would recommend looking around on the site to see if you can find one with the correct bracket. Ben I like very much your solution! (I think it's also more environment friendly) can we have a similar super-cap on the upcoming gta04? btw, dead battery overnight could be enough energy for the rtc... can you test how long you keep the correct time removing the main battery? because we must do that to change the sim or uSD... and I'd like to know how fast... ;) -- ALFA21 IS PROVIDED AS IS AND WITHOUT WARRANTIES OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New Input Method for mobile phones with a touchscreen
On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 5:05 PM, Ole Carlsen o...@carlsen-web.dk wrote: Den 02-11-2010 16:43, Rashid skrev: Thats great. Just choose the group of letters you want to use and then choose the letter by drawing a circle. Have a look at it. http://mobile.slashdot.org/story/10/11/01/1515236/8pen-Reinvents-the-Keyboard-For-Mobile-Devices Isn't that some of the same idea with qwo? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5qDqE1DYl0 when I was on shr I loved qwo too, also because it'd be used like a numpad 3x3 (+1 special for the zero) it's the thing I miss most since I'm on qtmoko... but now I keep a trimmed toothpick in my batteryslot ;) https://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/qwo/ http://mrl.nyu.edu/~perlin/demos/quikwriting.html btw I think this one is an improved version of the qwo for openmoko ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: backup battery and case screws questions
On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 4:45 PM, Patryk Benderz patryk.bend...@esp.pl wrote: Is there any backup battery? I was sure there was none by design - my FR lost RTC since i bought it, even when I removed battery for just a few seconds. yes, look here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Image:Gta02a5_pcba_ps.JPG on the right, near the middle, the little round metallic shape soldered on the pcb is the battery. It's a known hardware bug and afaik replacing it will dry the new one in short time too. I'm not aware about a fix to that bug. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [GTA04] When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing
2010-10...@21:09 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller The mould for the Power button is less expensive: approx. 1500 EUR. I.e. 10 buttons @ 150 EUR each :) mmh... why not include the button(s) in the same mould? it could be a shape like a C= attached to the main shape by a little plastic for the light of our leds we could make grids and holes... or we could also do an all transparent case (I'd love to see trough to view the electronic inside) -- ALFA21 IS PROVIDED AS IS AND WITHOUT WARRANTIES OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [GTA04] When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing
2010-10...@00:46 Alfa21 for the light of our leds we could make grids and holes... or we could also do an all transparent case (I'd love to see trough to view the electronic inside) ah and this is also to underline that our open project has nothing to hide! ;) (and one day maybe someone could also add a solar cell modding on the back side) -- ALFA21 IS PROVIDED AS IS AND WITHOUT WARRANTIES OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: backup battery and case screws questions
2010-10...@20:44 Benjamin Deering Has anyone done this replacement before? any gotchas? no, but I think it's not too difficult if you have a little experience with DIY. I've this (known) problem too but I'm afraid if I replace the battery it'll die as the old one... not sure... but I think I can live with that and so I never remove the main battery. Also,as anyone found a source for replacement torx case screws? I think it's easy to find in any good hardware shop (not computer-hardware eh! the one that sells you screwdrivers, electric drills Co.) -- ALFA21 IS PROVIDED AS IS AND WITHOUT WARRANTIES OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [GTA04] When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing
2010-10...@08:24 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller So if we reduce precision of the case production process, the buttons become larger and finally, the phone is more a brick than a handheld phone :) Personally, I am in favour of high-end high-quality design (like the iPhone) even if it costs money. I agree... but is 3d printing etc. just for prototypes or do you plan to use that also for the final product (with big volumes mass production)? I think 3d printing is ok only for the first case, to try also different shapes before but finalized to build the final and more precise mould. also I think a classic mould process is expensive just for small scales but for a mass production it's cheaper (on a single unit) and _faster_ than 3d print. and also it's more appealing to the eye of the final customer to see a smoth and higrade product. btw I think this is the really last step in the production process. by now imho it's more adequate to replace the current circuit board from our gta0x and eventually drill holes if you plan to add some different connector to the pcb (maybe a hdmi?) ;) -- ALFA21 IS PROVIDED AS IS AND WITHOUT WARRANTIES OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [GTA04] When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing
2010-10...@07:36 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller Here is the photo of a bare board as it came from the PCB factory: eh! your baby is growing up! nice nice nice! :) -- ALFA21 IS PROVIDED AS IS AND WITHOUT WARRANTIES OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [GTA04] When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing
2010-10...@19:06 David Lanzendörfer True, but they're available from many more suppliers than moko plastics! Shame there isn't a transreflective version though... I today recieved the plastic parts for a RepRap. So we can soon start to design and produce the case for new OpenMokos. Only barrier: We need an extruder and some kilogram of granule first... -_- lg leviathan you should try 3d print like this: http://www.printo3d.com/ (and many others sellers!) made in ABS which is a good plastic and up to 0.01 inches resolution http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acrylonitrile_butadiene_styrene -- ALFA21 IS PROVIDED AS IS AND WITHOUT WARRANTIES OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: qtmoko v28
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 11:12 AM, Radek Polak pson...@seznam.cz wrote: Hi, there is now new v28 release of qtmoko ready for downloading flashing and testing. You can download it from our sourceforge page under Experimental folder [1]. please, - review and possibly include the patched version of the script for usb mass storage I sent some day ago. - roll back the power config patch about locked scenario to the previous state because it's bugged and not stable. (and no, it's not only a cosmetic bug) - please don't switch back and forth on odd/even numbers to indicate a stable or experimental release, or add a tag to the version number to do that, eg: v28exp or v28u VS v28 otherwise it's difficult to understand if it's ok for everyday use. btw, thank you all for the work! :-) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: qtmoko v28
It's under Experimental folder, so i was hoping that it's quite clear that it's experimental ;-). Although it's experimental it should be ready for daily use for many people, i am using it myself as daily phone. I still consider v26 to be stable - and it's as default download on sourceforge. mmh... ;-) so why is v28 called experimental? (not a real question eh!) ok but when it's installed on a moko there is not that folder to remember us it's nature ;P and maybe it's easier for all of us here in list to immediately distinguish that while discussing about qtmoko if we have such a standard in versioning (like shr too) to put different emphasis on certain kind of bugs accordingly. just my 2c. :) kind regards ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: let's launch a FR into space
2010-10...@16:15 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller Has anyone ever tried video streaming from the FR? The first questions is how to connect a camera. I think you'd connect a plain usb webcam ;) -- ALFA21 IS PROVIDED AS IS AND WITHOUT WARRANTIES OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: soldering tutorial, was: Re: [Shr-User] uSD hosed, on every unstable.
2010-10...@15:58 jeremy jozwik yah thats what i was wondering, frying components. but it is surely a common technique, this is the first ive seen with a hot plate. most use a hot air gun. hot air is used to unsolder components for replacement. hot plate imho is fake if you want to do a clean and standard work follow this video about 0402 size: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66GV4OuShzI it's almost the same I tried to explain before, but here it is more clear and complete. -- ALFA21 IS PROVIDED AS IS AND WITHOUT WARRANTIES OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: soldering tutorial, was: Re: [Shr-User] uSD hosed, on every unstable.
2010-10...@16:13 jeremy jozwik shit... i should just get some of this! FFWD to 9 min http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uov0SPHKcnk no, never seen that method and I believe it's a fake because I think, yes, the components are mechanically in place... but surely all fried! x_x btw, what about two sided boards?? XD thats a great link. now i keep going back and forth between buy a new phone or fix my beloved moko imho you should do a try, first it's difficult but not impossible! -- ALFA21 IS PROVIDED AS IS AND WITHOUT WARRANTIES OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
soldering tutorial, was: Re: [Shr-User] uSD hosed, on every unstable.
make model micro soldering tutorials? i would really really like to fix this if i can. I think the size should be the same of the one needed for the buzz fix... about soldering eee... good luck! :P I made my buzz fix and it was a pain in the a**hole! [0) check your pcb and verify you still have the traces where you'll put the new resistor because maybe you ripped the metal out] 1) remove the board from all the plastic case 2) firmly fix it to a solid table with an adhesive tape 3) do not drink alcohol and keep calm ;) 4) use the sharpest newer soldering tool, 25W-30W 5) put a _little_ of alloy on the little squares of the pcb 6) put the resistor in place and keep it _gently_ pushing down with a small tool, like the point of a pin or similar (gently, otherwise you make it jump away!) 7) take your iron and pick up some but _little_ fresh alloy on the tip and then melt it on the first side of the resistor 8) do the other side of the resistor 9) verify that your resistor is firmly in place and you haven't leaked the alloy around and check any short-circuit the size is really tiny, so good luck and don't panic! you can put your resistor in any direction, it hasn't +/- polarity. be quick with the iron on your components otherwise you'll fry them! no more than 2-3 sec. you can cool down the components and do another try little later. I suggest you to use the eutectic alloy because it's easier to use on this hard size -- ALFA21 IS PROVIDED AS IS AND WITHOUT WARRANTIES OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: soldering tutorial, was: Re: [Shr-User] uSD hosed, on every unstable.
ooh sorry! I forgot an important point: 6) put the resistor in place and keep it _gently_ pushing down with a small tool, like the point of a pin or similar (gently, otherwise you make it jump away!) 7-) put some flux on the sides of your resistor 7) take your iron and pick up some but _little_ fresh alloy on the tip and then melt it on the first side of the resistor -- ALFA21 IS PROVIDED AS IS AND WITHOUT WARRANTIES OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QTMoko predictive keyboard weirdness
2010-10...@18:19 Iain Nicol Daniel Weatherill wrote, a long time ago: I have a few questions about QTMoko predictive keyboard. I know prediction was disabled by default a couple of versions ago, I understand this as most people are not english speakers. However, some of us ARE english speakers and found the predictive keyboard very good [. . . ] Can someone help me with this? On the off change you're still interested, I found the setting last night by reading through the source. :-). I'm running a clean install of QtMoko 26. ssh onto your Freerunner and then type: cd /home/root/Settings/Trolltech cp /opt/qtmoko/etc/default/Trolltech/PredictiveKeyboard.conf . echo unpredictive=0 PredictiveKeyboard.conf Cheers, Iain I think you can do the same also through the GUI in qtmoko: settings - language [your language] - use for input - checked but it seems not deactivable on the default language (the check box is locked on true) and if you select a secondary language the selection is switched back on false when you leave the dialog window. btw only my docked keyboard is predictable, but suggestions are showed only on the first half of the bar on the top of it. ok, I realized only now you are talking about the predictive keyboard and I thought only the docked one to have this feature :P sorry, I need to go to sleep! (dreaming for a bed) but the above one seems to be a bug in lang. config gui, is it? -- ALFA21 IS PROVIDED AS IS AND WITHOUT WARRANTIES OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New Phone Project (MiniMoko) : Which functionalities ?
2. Use already created MiniBook, just add gsm/3g board inside. IMHO, more realistic idea and definitely require less efforts. Certainly, space permitting. There may be enough space for navigation sensors too. They are easier to add than the 3G module, and have a similarly low requirement for case mods. imho 3g phone module have a certain priority over all the rest. I think we should do things gradually, step by step, just to be concrete. hey, I'm not saying the rest is crap! just do one thing and do it well, to start moving wheels :) And one more note: attaching anything via external 40pin port, will make device impossible to attach to Smartbook. The MiniBook can be connected as normal after removing the module. We could design the module so that it can connect everything via USB, in which case the module could dock to one of the USB connections available in the SmartBook. so, why we don't just add the µ-usb port and use that both to connect that module, charge the phone, use it as flashdrive etc..? also you'd need one and only the usb port on the module so you'll be able to connect directly or through one of the others ports on the smartbook. and the barrel 5v connector is removable, imho. -- ALFA21 IS PROVIDED AS IS AND WITHOUT WARRANTIES OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New Phone Project (MiniMoko) : Which functionalities ?
2010-10...@10:52 Timo Jyrinki 2010/10/6 giacomo 'giotti' mariani: Looks like it miss USB connectivity and I need SSH strongly! Well SSH over Bluetooth personal area network works just fine, but indeed I'd also like USB port for charging and connecting other devices (host mode) please keep in mind that there is an European directive about that: http://phandroid.com/2009/06/30/microusb-becomes-european-standard-in-2010/ http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2009/02/european_commission_pushing_microusb_standard_for_mobile_phone_chargers-2/ I intended we _MUST_ include the microusb for any new mobile phone if it has to be sold in EU. and if we do not strictly must, it's a clever solution because: - you do not have to sell also the ad-hoc charger with the new hardware. - an user can easily find a compatible charging source when not at home (eg. friends, colleagues, any computer, car's usb socket...) btw microusb is quite thin, so maybe we can put it side by side to the 40pin connector using both sides of the MID's pcb. -- ALFA21 IS PROVIDED AS IS AND WITHOUT WARRANTIES OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Sandisk 16GB SDHC not mountable
On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 4:56 PM, Gennady Kupava g...@bsdmn.com wrote: and so begins the might fall of the freerunner sd card reader... I think possible something just terrible wrong in kernel driver. From my point of view it is worth to investigate, may be we can get x4 uSD speedup. I do not know, but maybe it's related too? http://bugs.qtmoko.org/view.php?id=179 (please do not consider my replies there because they are OT) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: We can have Help from Always Innovating !
2010-10...@10:56 Thomas HOCEDEZ [...] Tada ! Everythnig is now open to find a way to mix Openmoko V4 project with the base of the A.I.'s MID. As I said earlier, their specs are online, and the GTA04 project is progressing fast, nut with a litlle help on hardware it could be faster ! [...] ooh wow! this topic switched to the cool side! *_* they made an U-turn! maybe I'll buy a new gadget in the near future... ;) you ruuulez guys! \m/, -- ALFA21 IS PROVIDED AS IS AND WITHOUT WARRANTIES OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Sandisk 16GB SDHC not mountable
2010-10...@11:16 Christian Rüb cat plaintextfile.txt /dev/mmcblk0p1 less -f /dev/mmcblk0p1 I could not read it back, but using /dev/mmcblk0 it showed up somewhere near the beginning (it was cat to /dev/mmcblk0p1 though) mmh... maybe less is not installed by default, sorry :P ok, near the beginning maybe after the 512 stuff of mbr and the partition table if p1 is at the beginning of your device, it's ok and regular thing. (you'd imagine your device as a long tape with one thing after each other) strange you are not able to read the p1 but only the whole device you should be able to read your contents of the original input file. if you fail to less it on the FR, try the second command on your PC. showed up at partition start right I saw the contents only once and about at the same place when catting it to /dev/mmcblk0p1 (Freerunner) Once at the beginning and once about where 1 partitions starts (PC). right, once at the beginning of the whole device and one where was the beginning of the old p1 (data remains there until overwritten with new data, usually it's never cleared) same result :( (Freerunner) On my PC FAT32 and ext3 work ... also with fat32 directly on whole device? (no partition table) Note that I booted using Qi and system is on NAND (kernel 2.6.29) sorry but I do not know if 2-4-2 or default change anything, I use qi too but the plain one and with 8GB uSD. Now even fdisk does not find the card anymore. As from the wiki I thought the card would work :( me too.. I was about to buying a 16GB one! :P btw, maybe you should clear your uSD... dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/mmcblk0 bs=512 count=2048 WARNING: THIS COMMAND IS REALLY DESTRUCTIVE!!! (this will totally blank the first 1MB on your device, so mbr, partitions, some data Co.) double check the of= value before return!!! try to build all your tables on a real PC instead of FR -- ALFA21 IS PROVIDED AS IS AND WITHOUT WARRANTIES OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Sandisk 16GB SDHC not mountable
2010-10...@20:04 Christian Rüb I partitioned my 16GB SDHC (class 2) card have you tried to use it as raw storage? (no filesystem) cat plaintextfile.txt /dev/mmcblk0p1 less -f /dev/mmcblk0p1 you should be able to read your contents of the original input file. if you fail to less it on the FR, try the second command on your PC. try the same directly on /dev/mmcblk0 but this will destroy all your data on uSD (partition table Co.) have you tried with a whole different fs, like fat32? -- ALFA21 IS PROVIDED AS IS AND WITHOUT WARRANTIES OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: usb-mass-storage, data corruption, QtMoko v26
btw I'm not sure if this is acceptable by OSes others than linux, because in
this way we expose a storage without a partition table.
(I'll check this on a windows computer asap)
ok, sorry... I was away from any kind of windows pc :P
now I can confirm this fix is ok and my phone is viewed as a regular
single partition usb mass storage (atleast in win XP and Linux)
so the fix is:
!!!- I assume /dev/mmcblk0p1 being the fat32 partition used as storage
/opt/qtmoko/bin/usb-mass-storage-on.sh
[begin]
#!/bin/sh
DEV_NAME=/dev/mmcblk0p1
ifdown usb0
# sync all buffers
sync ; echo 3 /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches
umount ${DEV_NAME}
rmmod g_ether
modprobe g_file_storage file=${DEV_NAME} stall=0 removable=y
[End.Of.File]
in my /etc/fstab I've this line:
/dev/mmcblk0p1 /media/card auto defaults 0 0
and
/dev/mmcblk0p2 / autodefaults,errors=remount-ro,noatime 0 1
instead of the rootfs one. (yes, my qtmoko is on the second
partition of uSD and I've qi bootloader)
[I've also a swap on /dev/mmcblk0p3 but it's another topic]
and in my /home/root/Documents/ I have a symlink like:
card - /media/card/
so I can see its contents in qtmoko documents (remember the Rescan
System option in menu!!)
- with this modification you can start the mass storage (USB mass
storage on) an your /media/card data will be visible as an usb stick.
- it will be unmounted in qtmoko untill you select USB mass storage
off in qtmoko.
- your qtmoko will not corrupt the uSD.
- you'll be able to use your phone as always and you can also forget
to switch the storage off (but meanwhile you cannot do ssh or ip
connection via usb cable or read your /media/card inside qtmoko)
I suggest to Radek (and all the community in general) to review this
fix and possibly include it in the next release of qtmoko or asap.
(data corruption is not a nice thing)
if something is unclear, here I am! ;)
kind regards, a.
On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 3:31 AM, Alfa21 wrote:
2010-09...@18:13 Alfa21-mobile
and now a question from me:
when the usb mass storage mode is enabled, all the used partitions is
in read only mode..
I see qtmoko exports also the rootfs and imho it's not good because if
I forget to switch off the usb storage ... it's bad for the whole
system.
the question is: how I can configure qtmoko to use only a specific
partition? eg the one mounted on /media/card only?
about g_file_storage...
we have this DOGMA: an usb host will not expect to see any changes in the
storage other than the ones it makes.
I found a critical (if the rootfs is on uSD) bug concerning the use of
g_file_storage with the scripts in qtmokoV26!!
- the # mount checking if, in /opt/qtmoko/bin/usb-mass-storage-on.sh is too
weak because:
1) by default /etc/fstab in qtmoko contains rootfs for / and any root
partition on the uSD is not found by that grep
2) any swap partition is not found by that grep
so we could corrupt our storage if it remains mounted inside the freerunner
and both exported with usb!
a fix could be:
- in storage-on script
1) modify the DEV_NAME with the name of the specific partition we want to
export
2) umount it and really verify it's not mounted
3) modprobe g_file_storage (and we should add removable=y to the modprobe
line)
btw I'm not sure if this is acceptable by OSes others than linux, because in
this way we expose a storage without a partition table.
(I'll check this on a windows computer asap)
...else we could make a partition table inside the exported partition and use
kpartx in the freerunner to read the storage (yes, it's like a matryoshka of
partitions)
bye, a.
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Re: linmodem
2010-09...@21:19 Ed Kapitein With this software you can hook up two computers using the soundcards. Is Something simmilar possible wit 2 FR 's? theoretically speaking yes... but I do not know how much audio bandwidth is available on a real gsm call. and you also have to keep in count the lost of signal and retransmission of the data. and also gsm has a compressed audio. ...maybe you'll be able to transmit at 2400 baud rate average :P but yes, it's possible ;) -- ALFA21 IS PROVIDED AS IS AND WITHOUT WARRANTIES OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: qtmoko v27 (+ answering usability)
2010-09...@17:32 Thomas HOCEDEZ and go to the dial interface I can confirm this. ooh! great, you remembered to me an annoying usability issue about the answer screen: when I'm in a hurry or I'm walking sometimes I push the answer button twice due to the latency of the gui just because I've an vibrating touch... and actually I drop the incoming call :P is it possible to split the button in 2 so it's not the same area active on the screen to do both the functions? ...or just reduce the size of the button and move it from left to right accordingly to its active function of the moment? ...or substitute the button with a slide? (in this way I also do not answer while I'm grabbing it out of my poket) -- ALFA21 IS PROVIDED AS IS AND WITHOUT WARRANTIES OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: new QtMoko Theme (AsthroMod)
2010-09...@17:41 Thomas HOCEDEZ I just released a preversion of a new Theme for QtMoko : AsthroMod Some pics : http://openmoko-fr.org/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=15128 generally speaking it's nice... but: - I think you should not use the same icon both for lockscreen and for deletenumber. - I'd not use an icon too similar to the logo usually intended for wifi, near the gsm operator (I'd prefer the square antenna you used for the signal indicator) - why don't remove bars form battery and signal indicators, accordingly to the toroidals (-I LOVE THEM)? -- ALFA21 IS PROVIDED AS IS AND WITHOUT WARRANTIES OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
freerunner=netbook?
HEEEY community-ziens! read this: http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.freedesktop.libdlo/92 umh... wasn't displaylink only for usb=2.0 and openmoko has only usb1.1?? if not ok, maybe I'm going crazy :D :D http://www.everythingusb.com/nanovision-mimo-um-710-s-usb-monitor-16825.html or http://www.geeky-gadgets.com/samsung-syncmaster-u70-another-tiny-lcd-display/ and I already have a poket usb keyboard! :D or I could use just one of those docking stations to have a FR-based desktop :DDD -- ALFA21 IS PROVIDED AS IS AND WITHOUT WARRANTIES OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: freerunner=netbook?
friends on our FR!!! Or do serious stuff :-) I _do_ consider showing how cool is a free libre open reality a serious stuff ;) ehy, I've already a full LXDE environment on my FR with AbiWord installed ;) [I'm not joking here] I'm using SHR on my FR. Mainly because I'm developing it, and so I'm testing it in dayli use. I _do_ use my FR daily since august 2008 :) it's my only phone and I consider it the best investment I've ever done... our fr is like a diesel engine... we had few features at the beginning, but it's always growing definitely it's not annoying :D there are a lot of projects and innovative ideas around it, building the reality of tomorrow but a bigger display would be ...great! :DDD Yes. I've already written an email to some collegues to discuss my oPad-idea ;-D keep us informed ;) maybe you should consider the previously proposed [gta04] hw? bye -- ALFA21 IS PROVIDED AS IS AND WITHOUT WARRANTIES OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QtMoko v26
2010-09...@19:14 Alex Samorukov I now compiled atd w/o this define to see if it will work correctly. If it will - then this will be fixed in the next release. please take a look at: http://bugs.qtmoko.org/view.php?id=144 also kind regards -- ALFA21 IS PROVIDED AS IS AND WITHOUT WARRANTIES OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: qtmoko v26 bluetooth headset
2010-09...@08:22 Christ van Willegen which is the default for most headsets. But not for the car. It generates a PIN to use for that pairing. I was able to pair my FR with my toyota and during the process I entered my pin on the dialog showed by the FR. I also was able to pair my FR with a garmin navigator. have you tried both directions for the pairing process? eg: initiate the process on the car searching your FR or vice versa ? btw I'm able to access my phone-book and last dialed numbers and also get the battery and signal status of the FR on the paired device :) -- ALFA21 IS PROVIDED AS IS AND WITHOUT WARRANTIES OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: qtmoko v26 bluetooth headset
2010-09...@00:02 Jim Morris Jim Morris wrote: Also keep in mind that if you've got an ordinary (non-stereo, non-A2DP) headset, it's not supposed to work with mplayer and such. See [2] for the reference. Ok that makes sense, I do have another A2DP headset, I'll see if that works differently. Holy crap it worked! I paired with an a2dp headset and it asked to install the bluez audio via apt, then after a restart plays though the headset, Radek you are a genius ;) hey! how I can verify my bt device supports a2dp? :S -- ALFA21 IS PROVIDED AS IS AND WITHOUT WARRANTIES OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QtMoko v26
2010-09...@10:52 Ori Pessach The only network connectivity I have with this phone is WiFi. I can't get GPS lock indoors, and I probably can't get a WiFi signal outdoors. gennady was saying just to save your maps (using any kind of internet connection, eg your wifi) before your trip outdoor... so you'll see your fixed point on your cached maps. once you have your maps saved on your moko you do not need any kind of connection, just your gps fix in open air. gps does not get a fix in indoor by gps design, and it's not a bug. -- ALFA21 IS PROVIDED AS IS AND WITHOUT WARRANTIES OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Broken AUX :-(
2010-09...@13:57 jeremy jozwik On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 1:50 PM, W. B. Kranendonk wankelwan...@yahoo.com wrote: Don't tell me you guys dropped your Freerunner with the USB-cable connected while you were still sleepy?! he he, nope. i reflashed on day and BAM! im 50-50 whether or not to replace the moko or get a n900 hahahaha! HAHAHAHAHA!! X'D -- ALFA21 IS PROVIDED AS IS AND WITHOUT WARRANTIES OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QtMoko v26
2010-09...@11:37 Radek Polak On battery: suspend 5minutes When locked: suspend in 20 seconds hi radek and hi to all the community in general :) on this topic I'd like to open a debate... I think the suspend setting in on cable (I'm personally using it as disabled timeout here) should have priority over the suspend setting in locked because if you are on ssh over usb (or usb mass storage) and put (or keep) your FR in locked mode you'll loose the connection. this also because I usually have the on battery and when locked both with battery saving schemes as you (I am always locking screen too!) and I forget to unlock my FR when I plug the usb cable in it. what do you think? is it possible to change the priorities like: CABLE over LOCK over BATTERY ? do you think this use case is reasonable/common? -- ALFA21 IS PROVIDED AS IS AND WITHOUT WARRANTIES OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QtMoko v26 power priorities debate
2010-09...@20:39 Radek Polak Alfa21 wrote: what do you think? is it possible to change the priorities like: CABLE over LOCK over BATTERY ? do you think this use case is reasonable/common? Yes it's reasonable, but the way how it works was easiest to implement ;-) I will try to take a look if i can fix it so that it works as you suggest - or maybe some else want to send patch? Regards Radek mhm... IIRC that was a workaround done because there was a bug (in an old qtmoko's monolithic kernel / module) which prevented to tell apart battery or cable status (now fixed also without this workaround) the alternatives I see are: 1) (maybe really the easiest to implement) imho we could do a rollback to the previous state before that hack and take the habit of pressing the powerbttn shortly to immediately activate the sleep if desired (or wait for the suspend timeout if set) as it's possible also when the screen is locked 2) fix the priority as said before, so if we have the cable connected (and now i see it's correctly detected, can you confirm?) we follow the full triplet (dimm/disp.off/suspend) of the on cable whit priority over all the triplet of the locked state 3) find a way to check if we have a connection open and in this case ignore the suspend timeout. this could be interesting also when we are talking about a wifi connection or a car bluetooth system connection (if the FR goes in suspend we loose the ability to make outgoing calls from the system because we can't wake it by bluetooth) ...more or less the same way FR does not go in suspend during a phone call :P I would choose the 1+3 solution... with 1 ready there and 3 implementable in a more future release. what do you think? the debate is still open to the whole community! hehe ;) -- ALFA21 IS PROVIDED AS IS AND WITHOUT WARRANTIES OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: gprs bug QtMoko v26
You can try to experiment with AT log or disable multiplexing, but i dont know anything better for now. Regards Radek hi radek, i tried rebooting with mux and deepsleep both disabled (neocontrol) and checked the at log (temporarily enabled)... all was ok and i can use arora with my gprs connection. i reverted back mux and deepsleep, rebooted with on/on and my gprs is still ok! :) i do not understand what was wrong before... but now all should be the same again, instead my gprs works a lot well :D btw, i can confirm sometimes the first attempt to start the gprs blink a while but fails... just try again and it's ok. kind regards, a. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
qtmoko apt sources.list configuration
hi i think it's not a good thing to hardcode the german apt mirror for the standard configuration in the mass qtmoko distribution: - almost every user will not configure the sources.list - it's not always the best choice, eg if you are not in europe - we could weigh down the .de mirrors (ok, maybe one day everyone in the world will have a FR with qtmoko ;D ) what about apt-spy? http://www.debianadmin.com/check-debian-archive-mirrors-bandwidth-using-apt-spy.html imho we should automatically run it before apt-update in R(apt)or... what do you think about this? bye ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
