RE: Freerunner with Debug board and spare front and middle casing for sale

2010-03-20 Thread Andy Powell
I've had quite a bit of interest in getting the bits separately so that 
wouldn't be a problem. 
How much would you offer?

Thanks
Andy

Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 18:01:30 +0100
From: atilla.fi...@gmail.com
To: community@lists.openmoko.org
Subject: Re: Freerunner with Debug board and spare front and middle casing for  
sale

May I only buy the debug board?

On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 10:51 PM, Dina0312 dandy_and...@hotmail.com wrote:





20GBP?



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Re: When it will be possible to buy OpenMoko?

2008-06-16 Thread Andy Powell
On Sunday 15 June 2008 00:03, steve wrote:
 I'm not exactly sure.  I havent asked if they have a continous process or
 if they build a bunch of PCB and then assemble. Like, build a thousand,
 assemble a thousand, etc. I know some shipments (university customers) have
 already landed.

Could you explain what you meant by that last sentence?


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Re: Why not use forum?

2008-06-13 Thread Andy Powell
On Thursday 12 June 2008 17:37, Richard Reichenbacher wrote:
 We went over this right around the same time last year.  The general
 consensus was that forums are the devil, mailing lists are good and
 anyone that thinks otherwise is a complete moron.  Oh and prepare to
 get torn a new one for having a differing opinion.


Well, the difference is  I can take a mailing list with me. I have to be 
online to read a forum. I don't think is a case of anyone not agreeing being 
and wanting a forum a moron, it's a case of practicality.

There's also software that'll take inbound email and post it to forums - of 
course that relies on people actually replying to a message rather than just 
creating a new message (grr).

Anyone is more than welcome to set up forums; I just think that, like last 
time, it'd vanish from a lack of interest.

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Re: Why not use forum?

2008-06-13 Thread Andy Powell
On Friday 13 June 2008 13:07, Crane, Matthew wrote:
 Sure it does.  And maybe we can start emailing around DVD images just to
 make sure we're wasting as much bandwidth as possible.

 Matt

 -Original Message-
 From: Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 9:00 PM
 To: List for Openmoko community discussion
 Cc: Crane, Matthew
 Subject: Re: Why not use forum?


 On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 15:41:29 -0400 Crane, Matthew
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 babbled:
  Plus, forums usually have provisions for storage and selective
  notifications.

 you mail client doesn't store your email? wow! :)

Matt,

there's a lot more crap transferred when using a forum (graphics + html + the 
actual message) than when using a mail client. The main disadvantage is that 
you have to be online to read a forum. For email you don't. 

Your DVD comment is irrelavant.

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Re: OT: Nokia expects open source developers to accept things like DRM, commercial IP rights, and SIM locks.

2008-06-13 Thread Andy Powell
On Friday 13 June 2008 19:47, Stroller wrote:
Open-source developers targeting the mobile space need to learn
business rules including digital rights management, Nokia's software
chief has claimed.

Speaking at the Handsets World conference in Berlin on Tuesday, Dr
Ari Jaaksi told delegates that the open-source community needed to
be 'educated' in the way the mobile industry currently works, because
the industry has not yet moved beyond old business models.

Jaaksi, Nokia's vice president of software and head of the Finnish
handset manufacturer's open-source operations, said: We want to
educate open-source developers. There are certain business rules
[developers] need to obey, such as DRM, IPR [intellectual property
rights], SIM locks and subsidised business models.

Jaaksi admitted that concepts like these go against the open-source
philosophy, but said they were necessary components of the current
mobile industry. Why do we need closed vehicles? We do, he said.
Some of these things harm the industry but they're here [as things
stand].


Thanks for posting this. It has just highlighted how Nokia really still just 
don't get it. 

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Re: [OT] compiz and other unproductive candy

2008-06-12 Thread Andy Powell
On Thursday 12 June 2008 08:15, Cedric Cellier wrote:
 -[ Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 04:13:19PM +0100, Andy Powell ]

   And better yet for productivity, at least for a developper : do not use
   any workspace that require management. :-)
 
  Sorry, but that just doesn't make sense at all. If I'm doing web
  development I'll open multiple windows, a browser a couple of shells, if
  I'm doing c work I'll have a couple of shells, possibly glade running...
  these are all tools of the trade and compiz allows good clean management
  of those windows which can be spread over however many faces on your
  'cube' you decide to have.

 Stop kidding yourself. All these things are not computing but plain
 entertainment.

WTF are you on about... I suggest you stop watching Youtube videos of fish in 
a compiz cube and actually try using it.


 Ken Thompson, who once punched the first Unix in a month, is believed to
 have said that one don't need to see the state of a file when editing
 it (refering to full screen editors).

Now you're using possible hearsay and bad grammar [possibly his] to backup 
your claim. Not only that but I'm telling you now, if Ken Thompson said that, 
then he's wrong. Some people might work like that, most don't.  Quite frankly 
I don't really care if he did or didn't say it. He may like to use a line 
editor - I don't. I suggest you go back to using punched cards.


 I don't mean that no graphics is usefull, but there sure is something
 rotten in here. That is entertainment that drives UI, not usefullness
 (except in some degree what comes from Apple).

Yeah, because only apple can make anything useful - seriously get a grip.

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Re: problem removing big clock from screen

2008-06-12 Thread Andy Powell
On Tuesday 10 June 2008 16:47, rakshat hooja wrote:
 When I try the instructions in the wiki i get the following error

 # gconftool-2 --type string --set /desktop/poky/interface/wallpaper
 /usr/share/pixmaps/wallpaper.png

 (gconftool-2:1366): GConf-WARNING **: Client failed to connect to the
 D-BUS daemon:
 Failed to execute dbus-launch to autolaunch D-Bus session
 Error setting value: No D-BUS daemon running

 I am running the april 30th rootfs on the GTA01

 Please advise correct command

 Rakshat

You need to dbus-launch it.  

dbus-launch  gconftool-2 --type string --set /desktop/poky/interface/wallpaper
 /usr/share/pixmaps/wallpaper.png

If you use one of my images from  http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/ 
there's a little app/script to change this and other things (clock,  
wallpaper,  theme etc)

btw, the command you are using is for changing the wallpaper not the clock..

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Re: [OT] compiz and other unproductive candy

2008-06-12 Thread Andy Powell
On Thursday 12 June 2008 12:18, herve couvelard wrote:
  Yeah, because only apple can make anything useful - seriously get a grip.

 ah ah ah 

 so get an i-foo

it's called sarcasm.

http://www.answers.com/topic/sarcasm


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Re: No 3G for GTA03, 2G/EDGE only?

2008-06-11 Thread Andy Powell
On Wednesday 11 June 2008 00:17, Robert Taylor wrote:
 Andy Powell wrote:
  Do you live on planet earth or some magical fairy land where you snap
  your fingers and you get everything instantly?
 
  Mmm... I'm trying to work out if you just being an arse or you have a
  question in there. I'd like you to point out where I said anything about
  getting anything instantly, with a click of my fingers.

 I do want to once again appologize for this.  I hit submit before
 engaging brain.

 It's spillover from the frustration of people INSISTING on comparing
 subsidized vs unsubsidized phones.

 Sorry.

 Rob


Ok, I'll let it go then. Have you seen the price of the . ;)

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Re: Free Runner price vs iphone 3G price

2008-06-11 Thread Andy Powell
On Wednesday 11 June 2008 04:47, rakshat hooja wrote:
 
  I don't know where my NDA stands on this. (I dont have the signed copy
  back

 yet and I guess i wont be posting any more on this once I get it:-) I
 discussed with a carrier in India and they were as the first offer willing
 to offer unlimitid data on GPRS/Edge and free incomming for *one year* for
 about $70 (more than half their normal rate) if their connection is sold
 with the Freerunner.

Sounds like you got stuck with the crappy US model contract. AFAIK it's only 
the USA (and now India) where you pay to *receive* calls as well as make 
them. Perhaps we're 'lucky' in Europe where inbound calls cost the callee 
nothing..




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Re: comparing Apples and Oranges $199 iPhone Freerunner GTA02

2008-06-11 Thread Andy Powell
On Tuesday 10 June 2008 22:19, Flemming Richter Mikkelsen wrote:
 On 6/10/08, Ron K. Jeffries [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 [...]

  the two smart phones are aprox equal on
  -- wi-fi

 But with limited usability on iPhone

  -- accelerometer

 But with limited usability on iPhone

  -- bluetooth

 But with limited usability on iPhone

 E.g. you cannot use VoIP with iPhone, etc, etc

This last one is incorrect. 

http://www.icall.com/iphone/

There's a video demonstration.
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Re: comparing Apples and Oranges $199 iPhone Freerunner GTA02

2008-06-11 Thread Andy Powell
On Tuesday 10 June 2008 17:02, arne anka wrote:
  So, how does the Freerunner UI stand in front of the iPhone's ?
  What about the MobileMe initiative ? Do we have anything like that ?
 
  I checked both openmoko and maemo, and Im more and more afraid of how
  far we are (we = the FOSS people) from Apple and Google.

 why should we compete with apple in this respect?
 i never understood the hype for 3d desktop thingumabob (compiz/aigle or
 whatever it is called now), animated icons or that stuff -- it usually
 only eats cpu and memory w/o offering real benefits, it's just eye candy.

I'm sorry but you're wrong. While it might eat a little cpu, it's not much. 
Most of the work is actually done by the graphics card, which is why I 
can 'spin my cube' on my 1.5ghz cellery laptop and see bugger all impact on 
the cpu. Many of the features of compiz are useful, the ability to group 
windows, make them double-sided, being able to view all your viewports at the 
same time and move windows between them... all these things allow you to 
manage your workspace better. In the office I use 2 screens, I  don;t have 
that for my laptop - but I get huge benefits from having compiz installed. 
It's not just eye candy at all - it's about productivity.

having said that once your windows wobble, it's hard to go back to rigid ones.


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Re: Free Runner price vs iphone 3G price

2008-06-11 Thread Andy Powell
On Wednesday 11 June 2008 09:51, rakshat hooja wrote:
 On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 12:51 PM, Andy Powell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Sounds like you got stuck with the crappy US model contract. AFAIK it's
  only
  the USA (and now India) where you pay to *receive* calls as well as make
  them. Perhaps we're 'lucky' in Europe where inbound calls cost the callee
  nothing..
 
 
  Andy / ScaredyCat

 No all incoming calls are free in India and most handsets are sold without
 contract. This is a pay as you go (or prepaid) sim where they are willing
 to offer India Rupees 250/per month (1 USD=43 Indian rupees) for unlimited
 data and you can buy voice minuets as you like. what i meant by free
 incoming was that the sim will remain active for one year even if you dont
 buy any minuets at all and you can continue to receive free incoming calls
 for the entire year.

 The normal rate for unlimited data plan is between Indian Rupees Rs395-495
 + a basic rental of your contract (ranging between Rs 200 - 400 for normal
 users). Outgoing calls cost are extra.

 The Rs 250/month unlimited data was offered if we bundled their connection
 with the
 Freerunners we sold. At the moment we have no intentions of doing that as
 most of the early buyers form us will be developers but may offer it (or a
 better deal) as an *option *when mass market software is ready.

 Rakshat

Ahhh ok, thanks for clearing that up. My mistake.

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Re: comparing Apples and Oranges $199 iPhone Freerunner GTA02

2008-06-11 Thread Andy Powell
On Wednesday 11 June 2008 10:12, Rahul Joshi wrote:
 Sigh. First off let me begin by saying I'm not comparing iPhone with
 FreeRunner (but cud have since they both are... um.. smart phones! its
 quite OK saying - apples with apples)
 To those hyper-exasperated-over-comparison ppl, raving mad about subsidies,
 even a $600 penalty struck iPhone is STILL a good deal.
 Fanboys will still buy it and Techies will still stick to OM. End of story.

 Oh.. and one apple to oranges comparison does come to my mind: comparing
 FreeRunner with EeePC connected to a triband GSM modem.

 Over and Out.

 Rahul J

Err, what's that got to do with anything I said?


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Re: comparing Apples and Oranges $199 iPhone Freerunner GTA02

2008-06-11 Thread Andy Powell
On Wednesday 11 June 2008 13:24, cedric cellier wrote:
 -[ Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 11:47:56AM +0100, Andy Powell ]

  I'm sorry but you're wrong. While it might eat a little cpu, it's not
  much. Most of the work is actually done by the graphics card

 Which is just another CPU which also need power. We are speacking
 about embeded devices here.


No, you were saying compiz uses your cpu - we weren't talking about embedded 
devices at all at that stage.


  [compiz]
  all these things allow you to manage your workspace better.

 And better yet for productivity, at least for a developper : do not use
 any workspace that require management. :-)

Sorry, but that just doesn't make sense at all. If I'm doing web development 
I'll open multiple windows, a browser a couple of shells, if I'm doing c work 
I'll have a couple of shells, possibly glade running... these are all tools 
of the trade and compiz allows good clean management of those windows which 
can be spread over however many faces on your 'cube' you decide to have.

Maybe your laptop has a high res 24 screen where you can position each window 
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Re: No 3G for GTA03, 2G/EDGE only?

2008-06-10 Thread Andy Powell
On Tuesday 10 June 2008 14:46, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote:
 On Tuesday 10 June 2008 13:46:59 Justyn Butler wrote:
  2008/6/10 The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
   i'd love a better cpu - better memory bus and much more. right now the
   only thing we have is gta03 - same cpu as freerunner etc etc. just
   different gsm subsystem (2g/edge) and no glamo (dumb 2442 fb), new
   case, added camera.
 
  Hi,
 
  Maybe this was a typo, but are you saying that the current plan is to
  ditch the existing GSM subsystem yet replace it with a modem that
  can't even handle 3G?
 
  That sounds crazy!

 Not at all. First, 03 is about evolution, so change as few parts as
 possible. 2nd, there are hardly any UMTS modules available on the component
 market that would attach to serial and fit size- and powerconsumption wide.
 3rd, there are insane advance license fees to pay for 3G products.

 :M:


At some point we're going to start explaining to the folks at OM that we can't 
actually afford to buy every model they produce to help fund this 
evolution...  I really don't want to have a collection of interesting but 
ultimately useless devices - Let's face it the gta01 has issues the gta02 has 
issues, perhaps it *is* time for a revolution...

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Re: No 3G for GTA03, 2G/EDGE only?

2008-06-10 Thread Andy Powell
On Tuesday 10 June 2008 20:57, Robert Taylor wrote:
 Andy Powell wrote:
  At some point we're going to start explaining to the folks at OM that we
  can't actually afford to buy every model they produce to help fund this
  evolution...  I really don't want to have a collection of interesting but
  ultimately useless devices - Let's face it the gta01 has issues the gta02
  has issues, perhaps it *is* time for a revolution...

 Let's face it, the iPhone has issues, Nokias have issues, Samsung has
 issues ... blah blah blah.

This has nothing to do with any devices made by anyone else, but for the 
record:

1) I've never used an iphone let alone owned one.
2) Every Nokia I've owned has worked flawlessly.
3) Never used a samsung let alone owned one.
4) Will never buy a Sony Ericsson phone again - Ever.

As the 02 goes into production we know that the graphics will be limited, we 
might know the reasons, but that doesn't make is easier to swallow. It's also 
apparent that some of the lessons on the gta01 haven't made it to the 02, 
which is fair enough - but the 03 needs to see those fixed.


 Do you live on planet earth or some magical fairy land where you snap
 your fingers and you get everything instantly?

Mmm... I'm trying to work out if you just being an arse or you have a question 
in there. I'd like you to point out where I said anything about getting 
anything instantly, with a click of my fingers. 


 It sure sounds like you aren't interested in the openness of the moko
 but more of a consumer device ... yes / no?

Sure sounds like you just make a bunch of inferences and treat them as facts.


 I'm with you on the multitude of devices but sometimes you haveto try.
 I think there may be far more creative ways to do this, say have one
 phone with multiple addons so everyone is happy, but this too requires
 one to try.

 Rob

I'm not suggesting at all that no one should try. I'm suggesting that moving 
into the future may require bigger steps and not baby steps. If we have to 
wait for the GTA99 before a device that can compete with even a basic phone 
because of tiny modifications for each generation then I'm telling you 
straight up, I'm not buying one of each of the 99 devices and I wont be alone 
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Re: GTA03 case should incorporate stylus holder

2008-06-06 Thread Andy Powell
On Friday 06 June 2008 00:34, Feydreva wrote:
 a stylus is a another thing to loose... I do NOT want to be Dependant on a
 stylus...


perhaps you could tie yours to a piece of string and then attach it to the 
loop. I'd also recommend this for your mittens.

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Re: OT: ajax image galleries

2008-06-05 Thread Andy Powell
On Thursday 05 June 2008 09:31, Joseph Reeves wrote:
 Yes, you're right, any site can redirect to anywhere else, but if that
 happens and I end up somewhere I don't want to be, I can blacklist
 both the original site and the target. I admit that this may be an
 exercise in futility, but at least it's possible.

True, but if it's a 0 day exploit it's too late. Your example was basically

1. set up a site with stuff people want to look at
2. wait for traffic to build up
3. Change content to 0 day exploit.

I can't see how any of this is tinyul's fault at all. It's not as if you can 
modify the URL you get from tinyurl to point somewhere else - you have to 
modify the content of the site. 

 My personal mail client, and the one I use at work, both handle long
 URLs fine. No need for tinyurl there.

That's great... but not all clients or mailing lists are equal - If you're a 
member of any Yahoo group this will be self evident.

 And no, I never advocated hotlinking to images.

You are correct, that was Chris.. apologies

 Joseph


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Re: [OT] GPG Message signing / Keyservers

2008-06-04 Thread Andy Powell

Not enough information to check signature. [Details]
Status: No status information available.


is what I saw

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Re: OT: ajax image galleries

2008-06-04 Thread Andy Powell
On Wednesday 04 June 2008 18:12, Joseph Reeves wrote:
 Disable javascript and it works much better. I use the NoScript FF
 extension.

Best FF extension imho.

 TinyURL on the other hand... Why would anyone ever use that? I never
 click on links unless I know where they link to. Here's a plan for
 abuse:

tinyurl is useful instead of typing in twattishly long urls which many sites 
insist on using. Generally you don;t want to click on a link provided by 
someone you don't know/trust. Not only that but if I use this url as an 
example - look what your mail client / this mailing list does to it (break it 
on wrap)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBGIQ7ZuuiUsrp=dhFg13955bmio=freerunnermanuf=fic-om

it's clearly easier to have

http://tinyurl.com/4e7o6d


 1: Discover browser 0-day exploit
 2: Put up a gallery of FreeRunner pictures on a website
 3: Point a tinyurl at the gallery
 4: Wait until everyone's linked to it and is clicking it
 5: Change gallery to 0-day exploit

 Or even easier:

 1: Link to goatse.

Right, and any webpage could still redirect your browser to another so your 
example fails.

 TinyURL takes all the best practice Internet guidlines you try and
 teach people and ruins them all. Can't stand it.


and yet you're happy to advocate hotlinking to images, thus leeching 
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[OT] GPG Message signing / Keyservers

2008-06-03 Thread Andy Powell

I've noticed a few people are signing their messages and I have decided to 
follow suit. However I do have a question regarding the keyservers used. I 
picked one from the list at 

http://www.pramberger.at/peter/services/keyserver/network/

they all sync together automagically. The question is this though, do all the 
public keyservers sync? MIT has one, is that going to sync with other 
keyservers or should I be pushing my public key to as many different 
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Re: [OT] GPG Message signing / Keyservers

2008-06-03 Thread Andy Powell
On Tuesday 03 June 2008 10:45, Kosa wrote:
 Yep, they automagically spread all over the world :)
 It might take some days, but it does.
 
 Cheers!
 
 Kosa

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Re: IAX2/Asterisk + Openmoko FreeRunner

2008-05-18 Thread Andy Powell
On Saturday 17 May 2008 23:42, Brandon Kruse wrote:

 The freerunner images would be great,

Ok, I'll do that soon.
  and its great that you can get
 it to build with the latest toolchain stuff, etc. I might build a

Ahh well, no. Not quite. I can get the supporting libs to build just not the 
iaxclient lib. It seems to be missing header files etc that's stopping it..

 quick script tonight to go from checkout to ipkg. Anything you can do
 to make it more system universal would rock! (I think I have hardcoded
 paths in a lot of places).

did you make any changes to libogg-1.1.3, portaudio or speex-1.2beta3 ?

if not, libogg-1.1.3 is in oe already which can be built by setting the 
preferred version. 

portaudio seems to be broken in oe, depending on itself or something odd and 
will need some tweaking.

speex-1.2beta3 isn't in oe but 1.1.12 is so maybe that could be used instead? 
It builds ok


 I would love to update the ipkg on the site also.

If I can get it to build I'll stick it in my repo too 

 Thanks for everything scaredy :)

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Re: IAX2/Asterisk + Openmoko FreeRunner

2008-05-18 Thread Andy Powell
On Sunday 18 May 2008 16:15, Brandon Kruse wrote:


 I have to make a clean install tonight, so I will work on it ;) like I
 said, my build environment was not standard.

:D good stuff




 I had portaudio in its own ipkg, I hope someone can fix that :)

essentially  thats what I ended up doing too :)


  speex-1.2beta3 isn't in oe but 1.1.12 is so maybe that could be used
  instead?
  It builds ok

 That would work fine. I am glad to see all those libraries availible
 now! (links?)

In the end I had to build your portaudio, and the libogg and speex that are in 
oe. They can be found on my buildhost:

http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/

specifically,

http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/packages/armv4t/speex_1.1.12-r2_armv4t.ipk
http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/packages/armv4t/speex-dev_1.1.12-r2_armv4t.ipk

http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/packages/armv4t/libportaudio2_1.0-r0_armv4t.ipk
http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/packages/armv4t/libportaudio-dev_1.0-r0_armv4t.ipk

http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/packages/armv4t/libogg-dev_1.1.3-r0_armv4t.ipk
http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/packages/armv4t/libogg0_1.1.3-r0_armv4t.ipk

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Re: IAX2/Asterisk + Openmoko FreeRunner

2008-05-17 Thread Andy Powell
On Saturday 17 May 2008 01:06, Brandon Kruse wrote:
 One more thing,

 The Digium Asterisk-GUI was designed ALL clientside (It is ALL javascript).

That's not always a good thing.

 Trixbox uses PHP/mysql/apache2, whereas the AsteriskGUI uses the builtin
 Asterisk HTTP Server, and javascript files (because we believe that there
 should never be unneeded load on the box that your phone calls are running
 through. )


You're still running an http server on your asterisk box. You could offload 
even more by using something like my mysqlswitch and a 2nd box for mysql + 
Apache. In reality most people are either running asterisk at home where it 
doesn't matter or running it 'big time' where the gui is no use / too slow. I 
still believe that an internal http server is just so wrong in the first 
place - but you're entitled to your opinion ;) 

Good work with the iax2 integration. Some integration with the contacts would 
be really useful, perhaps a voip number. I have here a Pirelli DP-L10 sip+gsm 
phone which has a really nice feature, the ability to set a preferred network 
to dial from, 

ie 
GSM Only
VOIP Only
GSM Preferred
VOIP Preferred

Obviously the 'Only' options are just that network, the 'Preferred' options 
will try the  preferred method and if that fails (no coverage, no wifi etc) 
it tries the other. So basically I have it VOIP and it'll fallback to GSM 
when my asterisk box can't be reached.  The downside is that SIP suffers from 
so many issues with the separate audio / control paths. IAX2, as you're 
obviously well aware, cures this. 

Is this limited to the freerunner just because of wifi or is there some other 
reason? I'm thinking BT or teathered (sp) would still be useful on the gta01.

Looking forward to getting my grubby paws on it  :D

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Re: IAX2/Asterisk + Openmoko FreeRunner

2008-05-17 Thread Andy Powell
On Saturday 17 May 2008 20:55, Brandon Kruse wrote:

snip

 
  I think that it's a dialer function - however it would be nice if other
  applications could tell the dialer how to dial. Since dbus seems to be
  the interface that's going to be used it might be nice to have the option
  there too. In essence you can configure this option from the dialer or
  any other application that sends a message via dbus - this seems the most
  flexible and
  would allow an application to tell the dialer 'Please dial this number,
  via VOIP'

 I am a little confused about where we would want the options (eg Preferred
 voip, preferred GSM, etc)

Actually, just thinking about it the dialer could just read the settings using 
gconf then in the 'system preferences application' you could set which you 
wanted.

 I remember mickey discussing the strong API for using dbus. I am loving
 this, as I use
 dbus in a lot of other applications, specifically with glib. It's as simple
 as signal_connect('sig-name, aka new-phone-call', callback_func);

it was a knee jerk  reaction from me ... I'd like to see dbus support in the 
dialer. The settings stored in the gconf db could be temporarily overridden 
by a dbus call when dialing a number 

 I will look into the Dialer for this. Obviously this is going to take a lot
 more work that just getting the underlying iax2 working, it
 will almost be enough for 2 separate projects. (Exposing events of the
 dialer over dbus, if it is not already, etc).

 Um, you can use the ipkg for installation, instructions on
 http://bkruse.com

 I had a pretty crazy build environment for iaxclient, as it was not
 supposed to natively compile for ARM (That was a crazy night.)

 Ok, just checked out the source again. iaxclient_moko (in trunk) is the one
 you want. I am not sure if you can
 get it to build, I need to add those kinds of things to the configuration
 script, hence the reason I released the ipkg
 so soon :P

 The other directories are third party libs that iaxclient depends on, that
 are also setup to cross-compile.

libogg, portaudio and libspeex compiled ok, although I have to change libtool 
to say where arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi-ranlib was located.

iaxclient_moko however refuses to find the installed portaudio

:(

 You should be able to make an iax call with the test client.

 After that works great, and the source works/builds ok, then I will start
 implementing into the dialer.

 Once I can make a call through iax, using the dialer, I will work on
 another program (using dbus) for auto-detecting
 AP's. (Eg keep scanning, there is probably already a mechanism to do this.)

 
  Install the ipkg, and do a testcall --help (it's in /usr/bin or /bin,

I'll give it a go, I would prefer to build from source if I can fix my issue.


 Btw, are you currently building freerunner images?


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Re: IAX2/Asterisk + Openmoko FreeRunner

2008-05-17 Thread Andy Powell
On Saturday 17 May 2008 22:19, Andy Powell wrote:

 libogg, portaudio and libspeex compiled ok, although I have to change
 libtool to say where arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi-ranlib was located.

 iaxclient_moko however refuses to find the installed portaudio


Managed to sort that out, then needed to get libtheora. Now it wants vidcap - 
is there any way to compile without video support ?


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Re: IAX2/Asterisk + Openmoko FreeRunner

2008-05-17 Thread Andy Powell
On Saturday 17 May 2008 23:09, Andy Powell wrote:
 On Saturday 17 May 2008 22:19, Andy Powell wrote:
  libogg, portaudio and libspeex compiled ok, although I have to change
  libtool to say where arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi-ranlib was located.
 
  iaxclient_moko however refuses to find the installed portaudio

 Managed to sort that out, then needed to get libtheora. Now it wants vidcap
 - is there any way to compile without video support ?

Found the last line of the readme :D
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Re: Quickstart web page my first manual readed before product release

2008-05-15 Thread Andy Powell
On Thursday 15 May 2008 02:34, Wilkinson, Alex wrote:

 IMPORTANT: This email remains the property of the Australian Defence
 Organisation and is subject to the jurisdiction of section 70 of the CRIMES
 ACT 1914.  If you have received this email in error, you are requested to
 contact the sender and delete the email.

ROFLMAO. That's got to be the most retarded disclaimer I've ever read, 
although I'll admit it is shorter than a lot of them...

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Re: Root password and ssh?

2008-05-14 Thread Andy Powell
On Wednesday 14 May 2008 10:58, George Brooke wrote:
 On Tue, 13 May 2008 23:03:45 +0100

 andy selby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  You are correct, the root account on the phone has a blank password,

 Maybe part of the getting started manual could include setting up
 pubkey authentication and disabling password logins (at least for the
 wifi maybe they could still be allowed over usb - not sure if that's
 possible). I think that the ip address is always the same to make using
 eth over usb simpler - the wifi should pickup its address from dhcp (or
 from a static config).

 solar.george

This information is already on the wiki and has been there for a very long 
time.

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking#Connecting_to_phone


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Re: Freerunner and external Display

2008-05-06 Thread Andy Powell
On Tuesday 06 May 2008 00:38, Fredrik Wendt wrote:
 Florian Rebstock [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Actually, I'm starting to feel like I'm going to be somewhat disappointed
 by the performance of the device:
 - battery drainage

Some people are putting in a lot of work to get this sort of thing working.

 - hard (= chose the right codec, recode everything) to get flowing video
 playback - not being able to connect a VGA-over-USB 

You can, you'll just get ~2fps

 - no 3G = slow data access = no streaming of my music

Well, you knew that before you ordered it.

 - no 8GB microSD = I'll be able to carry  10 % of my music (legal - ogg)

Go and buy one.

 - need for stylus, but no place to keep it

I can suggest one place...

Seriously, If everyone put as much effort into development as they do into 
bitching and whining this phone would be able to cure cancer by now.

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Re: Recognition of Handwriting

2008-05-01 Thread Andy Powell
On Wednesday 30 April 2008 19:55, Sebastian Billaudelle wrote:
 Hi there!

 While surfing around I found an very nice app called CellWriter
 (http://risujin.org/cellwriter/).
 I tried it out using my mouse... I think it's much better then the
 Windows Mobile stuff!

 I think it should be no problem to get it fitting to our needs...


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Re: OpenMoko Remote Controller (SoC)

2008-04-26 Thread Andy Powell
On Saturday 26 April 2008 17:40, Valerio Valerio wrote:
 Hello,

 I'm one of the students that will participate in Google Summer of Code
 under OpenMoko mentoring.
 The project consist in a implementation of a application that can turn
 OpenMoko powered devices in a Bluetooth mixed keyboard and mouse.
 Was recommended by Google do some community brainstorming in this period,
 I'm asking for some help. I need ideas for the name of the app, suggestion,
 wishes, etc...
 I setup a page in the OpenMoko wiki for the project, feel free to add info
 there:

 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko_Bluetooth_remote_controller

 In September we will have more ten rocking OpenMoko apps :)

 Cheers,

You might want to take a look at  xkbd-bthid...

http://www.mulliner.org/bluetooth/xkbdbthid.php

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Re: OpenMoko Remote Controller (SoC)

2008-04-26 Thread Andy Powell
On Saturday 26 April 2008 18:32, Bastian Muck wrote:
 Can it be used to controll presentations?

 Andy Powell schrieb:
 | On Saturday 26 April 2008 17:40, Valerio Valerio wrote:
 | Hello,
 |
 | I'm one of the students that will participate in Google Summer of Code
 | under OpenMoko mentoring.
 | The project consist in a implementation of a application that can turn
 | OpenMoko powered devices in a Bluetooth mixed keyboard and mouse.
 | Was recommended by Google do some community brainstorming in this
 | period, I'm asking for some help. I need ideas for the name of the app,

 suggestion,

 | wishes, etc...
 | I setup a page in the OpenMoko wiki for the project, feel free to add

 info

 | there:
 |
 | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko_Bluetooth_remote_controller
 |
 | In September we will have more ten rocking OpenMoko apps :)
 |
 | Cheers,
 |
 | You might want to take a look at  xkbd-bthid...
 |
 | http://www.mulliner.org/bluetooth/xkbdbthid.php


It allows a device to be a BT HID so that could be a keyboard which would 
allow you to control powerpoint or whatever. Looks like the keyboard layouts 
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Re: [GSM] Geolocating

2008-04-23 Thread Andy Powell
On Wednesday 23 April 2008 18:40, Feydreva wrote:
 Have a look at theses 2 projects :
 http://www.eppenga.com/gg-tracker/
 and
 http://www.aspicore.com/en/tuotteet_tracker.asp?tab=2sub=2

 On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 12:09 PM, Sander Hoentjen [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 wrote:
  On Wed, 2008-04-23 at 14:17 +0200, Marc-Olivier Barre wrote:
   On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 1:57 PM, Lucas Bonnet [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 

snip

 helpful (walls, narrow streets, etc.).
  
   Well the key concept here is provided you know the position of the
   GSM cells. Now, you might try to call you operators customer support
   asking them Hi, could you send me a copy of your hardware database
   please ?, but I doubt you would get a positive answer, *if* they even
   bother to answer...
 
  I think http://celldb.org/ is trying to solve this problem.
 
  Sander
 

The problem with ALL of the sites that are doing this is non provide access to 
the entire db. You can search and add data, but you can't have your own 
server. Personally I want to see a freely available db that users contribute 
to rather than a closed db that you get some access to and the site owner 
sells everyone else's effort..

/still bitter about cddb

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Re: (no subject)

2008-04-23 Thread Andy Powell
On Wednesday 23 April 2008 21:30, James Olney wrote:
 I always find it better to cook it before eating it. but either way it's
 good.

 2008/4/23 Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  Surely my dog will have something to say about this thread...
 

You want to cook his dog?

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Re: photographs of box and POSSIBLE contents of Neo Freerunner

2008-04-22 Thread Andy Powell
On Tuesday 22 April 2008 07:29, Andy Powell wrote:
 x230

actually replace x230 with x115 - i think the slightly smaller thumbs are 
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Re: photographs of box and POSSIBLE contents of Neo Freerunner

2008-04-22 Thread Andy Powell
On Tuesday 22 April 2008 09:03, Alexey Feldgendler wrote:
 On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 08:29:17 +0200, Andy Powell [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 wrote:
  #!/bin/bash
 
  echo  index.html
  for i in *.jpg
  do
 
convert -thumbnail x230 $i thumb_$i
echo a href='$i' target='_new$i'img src='thumb_$i'/a
 
  index.html
 
  done

 The img tag is missing the right angle bracket, 

I don't know where it went, it's in my actual script.

 and the target attribute is evil.
 Whoever wants to open it in a new window, will use the browser's 
 features to do so, but please don't decide for the user.

I wrote it with *my* preferences. I have ff configured to open in a new tab so 
the script does exactly what I wanted. If you don't like it change it - you 
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Re: photographs of box and POSSIBLE contents of Neo Freerunner

2008-04-22 Thread Andy Powell
On Tuesday 22 April 2008 09:29, Mikael Lammentausta wrote:
 Why not just simply

  cd to_images
  igal

 And there you have it! :)

bash: igal: command not found

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Re: photographs of box and POSSIBLE contents of Neo Freerunner

2008-04-22 Thread Andy Powell
On Tuesday 22 April 2008 10:12, Mikael Lammentausta wrote:
 You have the source!
 http://trexler.at/igal/igal-1.4.7-wt.tar.gz

 ;-)


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Re: photographs of box and POSSIBLE contents of Neo Freerunner

2008-04-22 Thread Andy Powell
On Tuesday 22 April 2008 11:22, Mikael Lammentausta wrote:
 All right, here are the Freerunner pics in igal :)

 http://openlab.savonia-amk.fi/freerunner/

pretty pretty

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Re: 99 vs RED (or was it PINK) Phone cases

2008-04-21 Thread Andy Powell
On Monday 21 April 2008 10:04, Alexey Feldgendler wrote:
 On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 06:05:20 +0200, Ron K. Jeffries [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 wrote:
snip

 BTW, there is a way to work around the v5 issue in software. Because the
 LED in an unmodified v5 shines 6 or so times as bright as it should (and
 eats 6 times more power), the solution is to correct the brightness with
 PWM to reduce it 6 times. 

Or just have it on for 1/6 the time or, if flashing, multiply the gap (off 
state) by 6. 1 second for v6 == 6 for v5


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Re: Neo Freerunner Quickstart Guide

2008-04-19 Thread Andy Powell
On Saturday 19 April 2008 08:04, Michael Shiloh wrote:
 Since Steve dropped the hint that I've been working on a user guide of
 sorts for the Neo Freerunner, some of you have been asking me about it,
 so we've decided to push it to the website before it's really ready.

Looking good. The first question I have though is with regard to the first 
diagram. I was under the impression that there was some technical reason that 
the Freerunner was a mono device. Your diagram shows left and right speakers. 
So is it left and right both acting as one or did something change and it's 
now stereo?

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Re: Unofficial poll: Do you want 3G in the proposed successor, GTA03?

2008-04-18 Thread Andy Powell
On Friday 18 April 2008 01:01, Michele Renda wrote:
 Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote:
  Ah, ok... :D
  Btw I think that it's better for you looking for a mini-keyboard with
  standard USB connector (eBay can be your friend!), and then using a
  MiniUSB - USB adaptor for this and all other devices you could
  connect to the freerunner! :)

 Mmm... I haven't thought to this! Thank you!


How small do you want it?

http://linitx.com/viewproduct.php?prodid=10779

or 

http://tinyurl.com/4exar9

if it wraps

You would of course need the mini - normal adaptor. Personally I use an iGo 
Stowaway bluetooth keyboard and just added a icon in the applications list to 
connect to it. It folds up neatly into a small pouch which you get with it.


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Re: Charging Neo Freerunner via USB port

2008-04-18 Thread Andy Powell
On Friday 18 April 2008 18:34, Michael Shiloh wrote:
 Hi everyone,

 With input from the experts who designed the system, I've tried to
 document precisely how charging works on the Neo Freerunner.

 I welcome your feedback:

 :)


 The Neo Freerunner charges the battery when 5VDC is provided at the USB
 port, whether from a computer USB port or from a dedicated USB charger.

 The Neo Freerunner can charge most rapidly when it can pull 1 Amp from
 the power supply connected to the USB socket. However, not all chargers
 or computers can provide this much current.

It might seem like a dumb question, the the charger provided can source 1Amp, 
right? :)

 When the Neo Freerunner detects that power has been provided at the USB
 port, it will attempt to draw only 100mA. This minimum is mandated by
 the USB standard. This amount of current is insufficient to both power
 the Neo Freerunner (or even just its backlight) and to charge the
 battery, and therefore the battery will not be charged. (The battery
 discharge rate, however, will be slightly lower, as the supplied 100mA
 will be used to augment the battery.)

 (When a charger is connected to the USB port, the Neo Freerunner
 automatically powers up. Thus, if charging at 100mA is desired, the Neo
 Freerunner must be shut down after the startup process has completed.)


On the GTA01 you can press AUX as you power up to get the boot menu. On mine I 
have added an option to start fast (500ma) charging and power off the 
backlight. This means I don't need to have enough power to do a full boot to 
get the device charging.  Perhaps an option for slow (100ma) charging that 
turns the backlight off would be useful - although it would probably need to 
have a few tests run to see if it was actually helping any.



 After detecting USB power, The Neo Freerunner will attempt to negotiate,
 via the USB protocol, a higher charge rate of 500mA. If the device
 powering the Neo is capable of doing so, the Neo Freerunner will charge
 at 500mA.

 USB chargers do not implement the USB protocol, and thus can not respond
 to requests for higher charge rates. Some manufacturers have worked
 around this issue by installing resistors of different values between
 different pairs of pins in in order to identify their own chargers of
 known capacity. This is not part of the USB standard and is completely
 up to each manufacturer.


I presume that if I accidentally plug in insert device that charges via usb 
here it would simply charge at 100ma?



 The USB charger provided with the Neo Freerunner can source up to 1A. In
 order to identify this special charger, there is a 47K ohm resistor
 between the ID pin and ground. If the Neo Freerunner detects this
 resistor, then the Neo Freerunner will charge at 1A.

 In summary, the Neo can charge at 3 different rates: 100mA, 500mA, and 1A.

Do you have any information on how long each takes to fully charge the battery 
(excepting of course the 100ma option unless the stuff I mentioned above 
works)?

 Notes:

 1. USB negotiation and resistor detection is performed in software, and
 is thus under developer control. A developer might write an application
 to indicate that 500mA or 1 Amp are available, bypassing the USB
 negotiation and the 47K ohm resistor detection.


I assume OM don't want to go anywhere near the software that overrides this 
for legal reasons and that it'll always be something a user has to 
deliberately add themselves?


 There is nothing  preventing the software from charging at a higher rate
 than then power provider can supply, although there is danger in doing so.

 The danger in drawing more current than a charger or computer USB port
 can provide is that components overheat and may become permanently
 damaged, or even catch fire, although most USB host devices implement
 current limits that will depower the port on overcurrent.

 2. The Neo Freerunner charger is a single assembly which includes
 the USB cable. The cable is NOT a separate item and can not be removed
 from the charger (without cutting).

 3. Any third-party charger that does not contain the 47K resistor will
 cause the software to assume it can draw only 100mA, regardless of how
 much current the charger really can source.

 4. In its hard-coded configuration, the PMU doesn't charge the battery
 at all. The hard-coded configuration is used when power is applied to
 the PMU after a period of complete absence of power, including the
 backup battery.


How long is this period are we talking weeks,months or years?


 When the system comes up, it reconfigures the PMU to enable charging.
 Most of the configurable items are also preserved by the PMU if it
 powers the system down, but the PMU itself still has power - either from
 USB, main battery, or the backup battery. (This is the PMU's STANDBY mode.)

 5. All of this discussion is for setting the maximum current that the
 Neo Freerunner can safely draw from the USB socket. The battery charging
 current may 

Re: AT+CRSM=176,28512,0,0,123 (was Re: home zone functionality)

2008-04-17 Thread Andy Powell
On Thursday 17 April 2008 12:27, Kiro Zimmer wrote:
 ... some additional informations

 According to [1] the AT-command AT+CRSM=176,28512,0,0,123
 should list the stored (and encoded) homezone values. This works on my
 very old Siemens M35 but not on any newer phone I have tried, even when
 the same SIM was used. So this AT-command seems to be phone specific.

 Does anybody know how this command is implemented on other phones?

 If we find a generic version of this call, we could simply write an
 software-applet, which show the current homezone-status -- even with a
 picture of a house :-)

 Regards,
 Kiro

 [1] http://gsm.yz.to/faq.php

On my Neo, Virgin UK SIM, Roming on T-Mobile NL

AT+CRSM=176,28512,0,0,123
STR=`AT+CRSM=176,28512,0,0,123'
RSTR=`+CRSM: 148,4,'

fyi : http://alumni.ipt.pt/~pmad/s35i_c35i_m35i_atc_commandset_v01.pdf

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Re: AT+CRSM=176,28512,0,0,123 (was Re: home zone functionality)

2008-04-17 Thread Andy Powell
On Thursday 17 April 2008 13:53, Andy Powell wrote:
 On Thursday 17 April 2008 12:27, Kiro Zimmer wrote:
  ... some additional informations
 
  According to [1] the AT-command AT+CRSM=176,28512,0,0,123
  should list the stored (and encoded) homezone values. This works on my
  very old Siemens M35 but not on any newer phone I have tried, even when
  the same SIM was used. So this AT-command seems to be phone specific.
 
  Does anybody know how this command is implemented on other phones?
 
  If we find a generic version of this call, we could simply write an
  software-applet, which show the current homezone-status -- even with a
  picture of a house :-)
 
  Regards,
  Kiro
 
  [1] http://gsm.yz.to/faq.php

 On my Neo, Virgin UK SIM, Roming on T-Mobile NL

 AT+CRSM=176,28512,0,0,123
 STR=`AT+CRSM=176,28512,0,0,123'
 RSTR=`+CRSM: 148,4,'

 fyi : http://alumni.ipt.pt/~pmad/s35i_c35i_m35i_atc_commandset_v01.pdf

this might also interest you :) 

command may be
  − 176 read binary
  − 178 read record
  − 192 get response
  − 214 update binary
  − 220 update record
  − 242 status
fileid integer type; this is the identifier of a elementary data file on 
SIM. Mandatory for every command except STATUS and may be e.g.:

  − 28471 meaning ACMmax file (6F37).
  − 28423 meaning IMSI file (6F07).
  − 28473 meaning ACM file (6F39).
  − 28481 meaning PUKT file (6F41).
  − 28482 meaning SMS file (6F42).

P1, P2, P3 integer type defining the request. These parameters are 
mandatory for every command, except GET RESPONSE and STATUS. The values are 
described in GSM 51.011.


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Re: HAPPY DANCE version .9. Teenagers stop fighting!

2008-04-17 Thread Andy Powell
On Thursday 17 April 2008 16:39, steve wrote:
 15 and 19.



   I think they will probably get the video cable thing figured out. And
 hopefully post something.

just to clarify, we are waiting for a video of the freerunner, not your 2 
teenagers fighting ;)

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Official distributor list

2008-04-16 Thread Andy Powell

Can we please have a list of the official distributors for the Freerunner.


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Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update

2008-04-14 Thread Andy Powell
On Monday 14 April 2008 00:13, steve wrote:
 There will be two  products. Buy 1 OR buy 10. ( in 850 and 900 versions of
 course)

This seems like an odd decision to me, is it just a limitation of the store 
software you are using? Even OS Commerce can handle price breaks.

The same thing happens at 15, 19 ? 



 So, if you wanted 11 you would buy a 10 +1.  and yes, this is a always an
 issue in volume sales.


Sorry but 10+1 is never an issue in volume sales because no one does it like 
that. It's 10+ 100+ 1000+ etc... You don't treat 11 any different from 10 in 
pricing terms.

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Re: Unofficial poll: Do you want 3G in the proposed successor, GTA03?

2008-04-07 Thread Andy Powell
On Monday 07 April 2008 15:56, Brad Midgley wrote:
 Hey

 Are you trying to influence the poll? No, 3g is essential won't
 register... a popup tells me to select a valid choice :)

hehe, if I was trying to do that you'd have :

Is 3g important...

1. Yes.
2. No and I kill kittens.

It looks to me as if your vote was accepted :

No. 3g is essential.xxx.xxx.xxx.215 xxx.comcast.net

Did you click twice? Do you have javascript on? Does it tell you that you 
already voted?


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Re: Unofficial poll: Do you want 3G in the proposed successor, GTA03?

2008-04-07 Thread Andy Powell
On Monday 07 April 2008 16:27, Brad Midgley wrote:
 Andy

   1. Yes.
   2. No and I kill kittens.

 yes, that's the kind of influence we need. Do you know about push
 polling? You would need to load the question too.

 The radiobuttons on the right didn't work but those in the middle
 column did. My vote seems to have counted, and no, I'm not from
 Florida.

Shame, we could have had pregnant Brad's ;)

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Re: Unofficial poll: Do you want 3G in the proposed successor, GTA03?

2008-04-07 Thread Andy Powell
On Monday 07 April 2008 16:46, Andy Powell wrote:
 On Monday 07 April 2008 16:27, Brad Midgley wrote:
  Andy
 
1. Yes.
2. No and I kill kittens.
 
  yes, that's the kind of influence we need. Do you know about push
  polling? You would need to load the question too.
 
  The radiobuttons on the right didn't work but those in the middle
  column did. My vote seems to have counted, and no, I'm not from
  Florida.

 Shame, we could have had pregnant Brad's ;)

 Andy

Apologies for the ' 

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Re: Unofficial poll: Do you want 3G in the proposed successor, GTA03?

2008-04-07 Thread Andy Powell
On Monday 07 April 2008 17:07, Federico Lorenzi wrote:
 I think you should reply and apologize for the double post too :p

 On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 5:56 PM, Andy Powell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  On Monday 07 April 2008 16:46, Andy Powell wrote:
On Monday 07 April 2008 16:27, Brad Midgley wrote:
 Andy

   1. Yes.
   2. No and I kill kittens.

 yes, that's the kind of influence we need. Do you know about push
 polling? You would need to load the question too.

 The radiobuttons on the right didn't work but those in the middle
 column did. My vote seems to have counted, and no, I'm not from
 Florida.
   
Shame, we could have had pregnant Brad's ;)
   
Andy
 
   Apologies for the '
 
 
 
   Andy

Only if you apologise for top posting :P

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Re: Car charger to GTA02

2008-04-02 Thread Andy Powell
On Tuesday 01 April 2008 17:01, Michael Shiloh wrote:
snip

 By the way, if someone nicely documents step 3, including the resistor
 value, and how to identify which wires go to which pins, with excellent
 drawings or photographs, I'll nominate that for a developer of the
 week award :-)

I thought it was Community Member of the Week not  Developer of the Week 

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Re: choosing a standard

2008-04-01 Thread Andy Powell
On Monday 31 March 2008 14:59, Flemming Richter Mikkelsen wrote:
 Hi list.

 I want to write an application for the Freerunner to control stuff in my
 house. This includes TV, light and other stuff.

 For the TV, I want a smart remote, that remembers which channels I
 usually watch on a given time and weekday. It should sort the channels
 so that my favorite program appears first. This is not something I
 will implement, but I want to make a lib. for communication with TV,
 lights, etc. The systems could be accessed through wlan, bluetooth,
 etc.

 All these peripherals should communicate using the same standard
 protocol. My problem is to choose a good one. It must support:
   - auto registration of devices (each device has a default ID and a
 device_type_id,
 it will be discovered on broadcast and assigned an unique ID, much like
 DMLS (http://www.dmls.com))
   - knowing what kind of device it is (device_type_id)
 (ligh (on/off or dimming, etc), TV (selecting channels, etc), etc)
   - ask the devices for status report
   - send control message to the devices

 My plan is to connect the divices to a micro controller, a multiplexer
 and then to a linksys wireless router (flashed) over rs232 or usb. A
 normal computer could of course also be used.

 I am not sure exactly how or when to do this, but it would be cool. Any
 ideas? The most important thing is that it is an open standard with low
 overhead.

 -- Flemming

Perhaps taking a look at the xap and xpl protocols might be helpful

http://www.xapautomation.org/index.php?title=xAP_Home_Automation_protocol

http://wiki.xplproject.org.uk/index.php/XPL_Links


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Re: support win mobile

2008-04-01 Thread Andy Powell
On Tuesday 01 April 2008 07:05, John Lee wrote:
 Dear Community,

 A decision has been made _today_ that Openmoko is going to support
 Windows mobile.  We, the distribution team, want to provide our
 customers the maximum freedom in choosing whatever platform they want,
 even the close source ones.  We will make necessary modifications to
 wine, thus enable win mobile on neo.

 One specific Openmoko hardware is going to support Windows mobile.
 It's the Neo Pocky.  A prototype has been made and placed in our
 meeting room for quite a while.  Please check this url for intro and
 photos:

 http://walkingice.twbbs.org/blog/?p=336


 Regards,
 John Lee

Wow, I've just ported Windows mobile to the neo1973  perhaps you can 
license that too?

Andy

/yes I know
//no really, I do.

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Re: SPAM Re: TomTom on Openmoko?

2008-03-28 Thread Andy Powell
On Friday 28 March 2008 10:37, joerg wrote:
 Waaah! 10.142.178.13 spamming the list :-(

it's probably gmail being sucky yet again and sending mail out repeatedly

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Re: TomTom on Openmoko?

2008-03-27 Thread Andy Powell
On Thursday 27 March 2008 13:57, Marcin Juszkiewicz wrote:

 It was not done by community but by commercial company...

So what. It's the license that counts. The only thing that surprised me was 
that OSM didn't shout it from the rooftops. If all it took was a bit of free 
publicity to get other companies to follow suit - give it to them - the 
benefit seriously outweights any whoring.

... as for navigation.. well, isn't there a libgarmin that can read garmin 
maps directly? Can't NavIt do this now?


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Re: Price of the Freerunner published?

2008-03-21 Thread Andy Powell
On Thursday 20 March 2008 16:05, Stroller wrote:

snip

 But we must remember that an importer has to tie his own money up in
 stock (money that could otherwise be earning interest for him) and
 gamble with the currency exchange rates. If he buys when the dollar
 is at  1:X and the exchange rate changes disfavourably to 1:Y, then
 he has to swallow the difference on all his existing stock. 

snip

Actually the best way to handle that is to buy currency at a fixed, guaranteed 
price. ukforex (no affiliaton) do this sort of thing. I don;t understand why 
more people don't do it. If you're importing stuff on a regular basis it just 
makes sense..

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Re: Price of the Freerunner published?

2008-03-19 Thread Andy Powell
On Wednesday 19 March 2008 16:10, Steven ** wrote:
 Was reading Planet OpenMoko and found the following at
 http://www.vanille-media.de/site/index.php/2008/03/18/from-switzerland-to-b
razil/

 The price range for the Neo FreeRunner has been published, it's going
 to be less than 400 USD — which is quite a substantial improvement
 over the estimated 650 that was published last year.

 Was the price range really published?  Where is it?

One can only hope that 'trisoft' aren't the official distributor in Europe 
since they have the Freerunner priced at a 'preorder' price of 400EUR 

I'm going to say it once and very very loudly...

400USD != 400EUR

If this is an indication of the pricing for Europe, please arrange for some 
European versions to get shipped to the USA where we can buy them and have 
them shipped to Europe.

/rant

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Re: Price of the Freerunner published?

2008-03-19 Thread Andy Powell
On Wednesday 19 March 2008 17:56, Andy Powell wrote:
 On Wednesday 19 March 2008 16:10, Steven ** wrote:
  Was reading Planet OpenMoko and found the following at
  http://www.vanille-media.de/site/index.php/2008/03/18/from-switzerland-to
 -b razil/
 
  The price range for the Neo FreeRunner has been published, it's going
  to be less than 400 USD — which is quite a substantial improvement
  over the estimated 650 that was published last year.
 
  Was the price range really published?  Where is it?

 One can only hope that 'trisoft' aren't the official distributor in Europe
 since they have the Freerunner priced at a 'preorder' price of 400EUR

 I'm going to say it once and very very loudly...

 400USD != 400EUR

 If this is an indication of the pricing for Europe, please arrange for some
 European versions to get shipped to the USA where we can buy them and have
 them shipped to Europe.

 /rant

 Andy

Ok, I'll admit to posting while in a state of frustration and perhaps I should 
have just bitten my tongue.

I've just had a conversation on irc that went thus:


TRIsoft Hi, why don't you try to talk with me/us before ranting ?
TRIsoft Calm down, we didn't made the price
ScaredyCat sorry, was just making coffee
TRIsoft No problem
TRIsoft I see, that you're a little bit upset ;-)
TRIsoft Please give me a chance to explain you some background...
ScaredyCat I'm just expressing my frustration, because invariably we *do* 
get shafted in europe
ScaredyCat I'm more than happy to listen
TRIsoft No, you're not. Please let me say something about this
TRIsoft At first, the price wasn't an idea from us.
TRIsoft We had some meetings with the OM sales manager two weeks ago.
TRIsoft And the price point at this moment was around 450$
TRIsoft So we sat there, thought about a bulk price, shipping, all this 
stuff.
TRIsoft And came up with 399 EUR
TRIsoft This is including the 19% VAT, shipping, WEEE expenses, battery 
recycling and all the nasty stuff we have to pay here in the EU
TRIsoft Also we all don't know, what the USD/EUR rate will be in late April
TRIsoft Let's look at the actual numbers and let's assume EUR/USD at 1.55
TRIsoft 399$ would make 257 EUR
TRIsoft Shipping from China / Taiwan / US appr. $70 to Europe
TRIsoft is $469, makes 302 EUR
TRIsoft plus 19% VAT is 360 EUR for a self import at the actual price.
TRIsoft 399 EUR for the preorders is what we fixed during the meetings with 
a capping if the USD should fall in April
TRIsoft Be sure, that we will lower the price, if possible.
TRIsoft Actually, all we can say is: A device in Europe will cost not more 
than 399 EUR.
TRIsoft Including all legal expenses and VAT
TRIsoft And, believe me, the profit is not big. Profit may be less than zero 
if we run into warranty problems.
TRIsoft We're in daily contact with the people at OM and i hope that we'll 
be able to lower the EU price a bit. But we'll never get 250 EUR.
ScaredyCat Im' not expecting a 250 EUR price tag, I *do* understand that you 
need to make something out of it, but I still don't understand why there is a 
shipping cost ($70) for non US customers
ScaredyCat when there is no such cost for US customers.
TRIsoft Because they ship UPS packages over the pond.
ScaredyCat essentially European customers are subsidising US customers
TRIsoft The units are manufactured in China.
TRIsoft We're sitting between two chairs here.
TRIsoft OM says: Start preorder, give us numbers.
TRIsoft We don't have a finally fixed pricing at the moment.
TRIsoft But the community expects it.
TRIsoft And the US customers don't have to deal with VAT and all the other 
idiotic EU stuff.
TRIsoft We even have to pay fees for the micro-SD cards in the boxes :-(
ScaredyCat ok, is it ok with you if I disclose this conversation, if just to 
set the record straight?
TRIsoft It is a complicate field, but we're no bastards making a $100 profit 
with each box.
TRIsoft Sure. I just wanted to explain the problems, we're facing here.
ScaredyCat I appreciate that... 
ScaredyCat but it does still look th
ScaredyCat oops
ScaredyCat but it does still look the European market is getting the shaft - 
paying extra for shipping. Ok it may not be your fault, but it is a valid 
point to bitch about
TRIsoft Sure. I understand your point. But i direct $/EUR conversion is also 
unfair.
ScaredyCat absolutely... but 400usd and 400eur don;t match either...
TRIsoft I know. We'll work on it. Promised.
ScaredyCat good stuff... 
TRIsoft And you keep up the good work on OM ;-)


So there you have it.  I still have an issue with the shipping, I see no 
reason why European customers should effectively pay for shipping twice. 
Let's hope that companies like TRIsoft get their shipment direct from China 
rather than having to reship from the USA.

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Re: Price of the Freerunner published?

2008-03-19 Thread Andy Powell
On Wednesday 19 March 2008 17:56, Andy Powell wrote:
 On Wednesday 19 March 2008 16:10, Steven ** wrote:
  Was reading Planet OpenMoko and found the following at
  http://www.vanille-media.de/site/index.php/2008/03/18/from-switzerland-to
 -b razil/
 
  The price range for the Neo FreeRunner has been published, it's going
  to be less than 400 USD — which is quite a substantial improvement
  over the estimated 650 that was published last year.
 
  Was the price range really published?  Where is it?

 One can only hope that 'trisoft' aren't the official distributor in Europe
 since they have the Freerunner priced at a 'preorder' price of 400EUR

 I'm going to say it once and very very loudly...

 400USD != 400EUR

 If this is an indication of the pricing for Europe, please arrange for some
 European versions to get shipped to the USA where we can buy them and have
 them shipped to Europe.

 /rant

 Andy

Ok, I'll admit to posting while in a state of frustration and perhaps I should 
have just bitten my tongue.

I've just had a conversation on irc that went thus:


TRIsoft Hi, why don't you try to talk with me/us before ranting ?
TRIsoft Calm down, we didn't made the price
ScaredyCat sorry, was just making coffee
TRIsoft No problem
TRIsoft I see, that you're a little bit upset ;-)
TRIsoft Please give me a chance to explain you some background...
ScaredyCat I'm just expressing my frustration, because invariably we *do* 
get shafted in europe
ScaredyCat I'm more than happy to listen
TRIsoft No, you're not. Please let me say something about this
TRIsoft At first, the price wasn't an idea from us.
TRIsoft We had some meetings with the OM sales manager two weeks ago.
TRIsoft And the price point at this moment was around 450$
TRIsoft So we sat there, thought about a bulk price, shipping, all this 
stuff.
TRIsoft And came up with 399 EUR
TRIsoft This is including the 19% VAT, shipping, WEEE expenses, battery 
recycling and all the nasty stuff we have to pay here in the EU
TRIsoft Also we all don't know, what the USD/EUR rate will be in late April
TRIsoft Let's look at the actual numbers and let's assume EUR/USD at 1.55
TRIsoft 399$ would make 257 EUR
TRIsoft Shipping from China / Taiwan / US appr. $70 to Europe
TRIsoft is $469, makes 302 EUR
TRIsoft plus 19% VAT is 360 EUR for a self import at the actual price.
TRIsoft 399 EUR for the preorders is what we fixed during the meetings with 
a capping if the USD should fall in April
TRIsoft Be sure, that we will lower the price, if possible.
TRIsoft Actually, all we can say is: A device in Europe will cost not more 
than 399 EUR.
TRIsoft Including all legal expenses and VAT
TRIsoft And, believe me, the profit is not big. Profit may be less than zero 
if we run into warranty problems.
TRIsoft We're in daily contact with the people at OM and i hope that we'll 
be able to lower the EU price a bit. But we'll never get 250 EUR.
ScaredyCat Im' not expecting a 250 EUR price tag, I *do* understand that you 
need to make something out of it, but I still don't understand why there is a 
shipping cost ($70) for non US customers
ScaredyCat when there is no such cost for US customers.
TRIsoft Because they ship UPS packages over the pond.
ScaredyCat essentially European customers are subsidising US customers
TRIsoft The units are manufactured in China.
TRIsoft We're sitting between two chairs here.
TRIsoft OM says: Start preorder, give us numbers.
TRIsoft We don't have a finally fixed pricing at the moment.
TRIsoft But the community expects it.
TRIsoft And the US customers don't have to deal with VAT and all the other 
idiotic EU stuff.
TRIsoft We even have to pay fees for the micro-SD cards in the boxes :-(
ScaredyCat ok, is it ok with you if I disclose this conversation, if just to 
set the record straight?
TRIsoft It is a complicate field, but we're no bastards making a $100 profit 
with each box.
TRIsoft Sure. I just wanted to explain the problems, we're facing here.
ScaredyCat I appreciate that... 
ScaredyCat but it does still look th
ScaredyCat oops
ScaredyCat but it does still look the European market is getting the shaft - 
paying extra for shipping. Ok it may not be your fault, but it is a valid 
point to bitch about
TRIsoft Sure. I understand your point. But i direct $/EUR conversion is also 
unfair.
ScaredyCat absolutely... but 400usd and 400eur don;t match either...
TRIsoft I know. We'll work on it. Promised.
ScaredyCat good stuff... 
TRIsoft And you keep up the good work on OM ;-)


So there you have it.  I still have an issue with the shipping, I see no 
reason why European customers should effectively pay for shipping twice. 
Let's hope that companies like TRIsoft get their shipment direct from China 
rather than having to reship from the USA.

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Re: FreeRunner delayed a further 6 months?!?!??

2008-03-14 Thread Andy Powell
On Friday 14 March 2008 13:55, Tom Cooksey wrote:
 A friend just forwarded this on to me:

but did you actually read it?

However, at the O'Reilly Emerging Technology Conference held in San Diego, 
California last week, the company revealed that consumers will have to wait 
maybe six more months to get their hands on the device. Early adopters, who 
are not scared of hacking around with the device software, might be able to 
get hold of the FreeRunner slightly earlier, OpenMoko said.


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Re: Coolest thing at ETech (other than Openmoko :-) ): Fireeagle

2008-03-05 Thread Andy Powell
On Wednesday 05 March 2008 20:46, Michael Shiloh wrote:
 Take a look at this and think about what we can do on Openmoko with this:

 www.fireeagle.com

 Still in beta. Drop me a line if you want an invitation.

 Michael


I think I'm going to start a Web 2.0 Invite only site that allows people to 
give me their bank details and credit card numbers

... invite only, of course.

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Re: Coolest thing at ETech (other than Openmoko :-) ): Fireeagle

2008-03-05 Thread Andy Powell
On Wednesday 05 March 2008 20:46, Michael Shiloh wrote:
 Take a look at this and think about what we can do on Openmoko with this:

 www.fireeagle.com

 Still in beta. Drop me a line if you want an invitation.

 Michael


I think I'm going to start a Web 2.0 Invite only site that allows people to 
give me their bank details and credit card numbers

... invite only, of course.

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Re: proprietary firmware

2008-02-08 Thread Andy Powell
On Friday 08 February 2008 08:46, Lally Singh wrote:
 On Feb 7, 2008 8:32 PM, Wolfgang Spraul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  He suggested we treat any chipset with proprietary firmware as a black-
  box, a circuit. He suggested we ignore the firmware inside. If the
  firmware is buggy and the vendor needs the ability to update the
  firmware, we instead ask the vendor to reduce the firmware to the bare
  minimum, so that it can be very simple and bug free, and move the rest
  of the logic into the GPL'ed driver running on the main CPU. This way
  we completely avoid the issue of distributing proprietary firmware
  updates and binary firmware updaters with restrictive licensing that
  load only cryptographically signed firmware.

 While I see the benefits here, it seems that we're sacrificing CPU
 time, power usage, and lowered utilization of other devices on the
 phone to get over a license issue -- a technical resolution to a legal
 problem.


I have to agree here.  This is a low powered (CPU) device that contains chips 
designed to perform specific tasks. Why on earth would anyone think that 
making the cpu handle those tasks be a good idea?  

Apple can manage to allow their users to update the baseband on the iPhone so 
why can't FIC on the neo?

Seriously, I want a phone that works properly more than I want one that dies 
during a call because the cpu is maxed out doing stuff that the chips in the 
same device should be doing..

Rome wasn't built in a day and you're not going to change manufacturers 
overnight either. In the meantime we have to be flexible. Mr Stallman appears 
to live in a land where every device has infinite resources - some would say 
it's called 'LaLa'


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Re: New wiki page - Problems of typical closed phones

2008-02-03 Thread Andy Powell
On Sunday 03 February 2008 19:55, JW wrote:
 Hi Openmoko community

 I created a new page to list the problems of typical closed phones with
 the intention of informing potential Openmoko phone buyers.

 Please add your examples to the 4 I included as a starting point.
 Feedback welcome! :-)

 JW

 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Problems_of_typical_%22closed%22_phones


Well, first of all unlocking phones is NOT illegal - I have no idea where you 
got that from.

Quite a few of the 'problems' you have pointed out are carrier issues not 
handset issues, ie it wont matter if you have a GTA01/02 or not. eg the use 
of voip software...

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Re: Fluffy Spider Technologies

2007-12-12 Thread Andy Powell
On Wednesday 12 December 2007 19:13, andy selby wrote:
  Can anyone comment on this company?
 
  http://www.fluffyspider.com/resources/press/pr.20070925.0.html

 that picture of the neo is an early photoshopped version from the
 openmoko press office with a screenshot of their software superimposed
 on it.
 couldn't they get a SH1 neo to demonstrate it on?


http://www.fluffyspider.com/demos/live_videos/flv/fancypants-openmoko-neo1973-video-browser-phone-dialer.html

 or 

http://tinyurl.com/2jw4sk

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Re: Neo1973/OpenMoko as a laptop replacement

2007-11-17 Thread Andy Powell
On Saturday 17 November 2007 09:11, Andraž 'ruskie' Levstik wrote:
 On 09:56:25 2007-11-17 Jay Vaughan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   I really like your idea. I also think that GTA02 will have enough
   power for a small notebook-replacement for a bit hacking, writing
   or something like this.

 Here's my 0.02 euro-cents...

 Why not a laptop chassis with a tft in and an extra battery pack integrated
 and  keyboard(combo usb/bt/wireless)(hell even a mouse of some sorts) and
 then just have a plugin slot for the neo to hook in(of course this would
 require a bit of hardware addon to the neo(a vga/dvi/other) port but it
 could work out nicely...

 And have both displays be able to work at the same time(randr1.2) so that
 one could for example have a logitech g15 like display on the small screen
 of the neo and full vm on the tft...

If I can manage to push aside the feeling that people should just buy 
something like the Asus EEE PC rather than going this route... 

Why not have the neo screen act as the trackpad, ie backlight off then all 
you'd need to supply is a keyboard and 'big' screen...

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Re: Gphone isn't open, linux dev not possible

2007-11-17 Thread Andy Powell
On Friday 16 November 2007 12:29, hank williams wrote:
 On Nov 14, 2007 2:55 PM, William Voorhees [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I wouldn't say I'm not concerned, but I'm hopeful. In one of the
  video's Sergy Brin says that it will be entirely open. I hope that
  google's Do No Evil slogan takes hold.
 
  -Will

 I do hope and expect android to be open. That said, lets be clear not
 open != evil.

Except in this case where Google have repeatedly claimed that Android is 
Opensource ie:

 !open != evil

 !really-open-when-you-said-it-was == evil

Quite frankly Google can take their $10 Million bribe and ... well you can 
probably guess where I'm going to suggest they put it.

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Re: Gphone isn't open, linux dev not possible

2007-11-14 Thread Andy Powell
On Wednesday 14 November 2007 05:02, Cameron Braid wrote:
 Personally.. I think people should stop commenting on how they dislike
 another toolkit.. Either use it, or don't - its your choice.


Perhaps that could also work for mailing lists when people don;t like what 
other people decide to write about - you know like Either read it of don't - 
its [sic] your choice'. ?

Sound good?

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Re: Has anybody seen this article in LinuxWorld ?

2007-10-17 Thread Andy Powell
On Wednesday 17 October 2007 19:40, Ian Darwin wrote:
  has anyone tried this, or even found the download (assuming it's free)?

 There is a free download, that you can find from the first page of the
 article. Or just go to the bottom of this page
 http://www.ok-labs.com/technology/
 and click Download.

 It might be a good way to switch between OpenMoko and QTopia, or
 (someday) OpenMoko on Linux and OpenMoko on your favorite BSD.

 But I don't have time to play with it at present.


Oh yeah, wonderful, yet another f*king build system with bugger all 
documentation

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Re: Qtopia coming for Neo1973

2007-09-30 Thread Andy Powell
On Tuesday 18 September 2007 20:47, Ted Lemon wrote:

 Also, announcements aside, I don't see a link to the source code on
 the Qtopia/Neo page, so not all promises have yet been kept.

Just because you haven't found the links to the source code doesn't mean that 
Trolltech haven't kept their promises. I've updated the Wiki linking to the 
preview and snapshots, it was an oversight on my part when setting up that 
page. I also do regular builds of the snapshots if you are interested :

http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/


My images have minor fixes like the addition of timezone files and the copying 
of gsmhandset.state to asound.state so calls work at boot. I've also made the 
background image for the default skin slightly orange to help identify my 
builds.

 

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Re: Qtopia coming for Neo1973

2007-09-18 Thread Andy Powell
On Tuesday 18 September 2007 08:18, Mauro Iazzi wrote:
 before someone beats me to it.

 http://trolltech.com/company/newsroom/announcements/press.2007-09-17.926075
5578

 and

 http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS5429713730.html


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YW5q8SpY7t4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOG_mtSEMgs

http://www.qtopia.net/modules/devices/openmoko.php

Enjoy


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Re: Neo1973 Phase 1 sales / order process / misconception

2007-08-07 Thread Andy Powell
On Tuesday 07 August 2007 08:27, Harald Welte wrote:
 Hi all!

 I tried to stay out of this entire discussion (like most non-technical
 discussions) for a long time.

 But I think there is just a big misconception of how and what at least
 certain people percieve and what is actually going on.

No offence Harald, but you seem to have missed the point of the complaints.
It's not that people haven't received their Neo's it's that there has been 
virtually no communication from anyone with regard to general order status. 

People just want some sort of information or report on what is *generally* 
happening with regard to orders. Indeed, to paraphrase Michael J Fox,:

 ...They're so thirsty for it, they'll crawl through the desert toward a 
mirage and when they discover there's no water, they'll drink the sand..

It must have taken you 20 minutes to type your email and I don;t think you 
addressed any of the most basic questions people have asked. 


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Re: Dev environment - one more time

2007-08-06 Thread Andy Powell
On Monday 06 August 2007 12:05, Hans van der Merwe wrote:
 Hi all,

 anyone have the dev environment going in openSUSE 10.2?

 Im still struggling and the info at OpenEmbedded is too Debian biased.

 Thanks
 Hans

I'm using openSuSe 10.2 with the mokomakefile with no real problems. You are 
probably going to need a newer version of git.

if there's anything specific, let me know


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Re: Data backup service

2007-08-01 Thread Andy Powell
On Wednesday 01 August 2007 12:44, Mickael Faivre-Macon wrote:
 Great !
 Thanks.

 On 8/1/07, Giles Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  On 1 Aug 2007, at 11:40, Mickael Faivre-Macon wrote:
   Any pointers ?
 
  There's quite a few using SyncML, see links section:
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SyncML


Check out funambol, http://www.funambol.com/opensource/ . There's a single 
file installer and you can be up and running pretty quickly. Bear in mind 
that the push email clients for non nokia devices appear to be available only 
if you buy the commercial version


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Re: Data backup service

2007-08-01 Thread Andy Powell
On Wednesday 01 August 2007 14:13, Giles Jones wrote:
 On 1 Aug 2007, at 13:56, Andy Powell wrote:
  Check out funambol, http://www.funambol.com/opensource/ . There's a
  single
  file installer and you can be up and running pretty quickly. Bear
  in mind
  that the push email clients for non nokia devices appear to be
  available only
  if you buy the commercial version
 
 
  Andy

 Funambol is using SyncML. So I think the fact it's an open standard
 and has good support means it's a prime candidate for OpenMoko.

Yes, that was why I suggested it :)


 It can do push email as well as sync.

my normal phone is a SE P910i which seems to be the worst device ever. I can 
sync contacts and calendar but not email or notes... afaik it's the phone's 
fault. Push email, as I said, is unavailable to me because it's not a 
nokia/windows mobile device. :(

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Re: AT command test suite

2007-07-28 Thread Andy Powell
On Saturday 28 July 2007 12:52, Shakthi Kannan wrote:


 It works. But, it is under public domain. Do you think it will be good
 to tweak it (and put it under GPL) so it can be used to test Neo on

Why do you feel the need to apply the GPL to this? It's in the public domain - 
leave it there. 

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Re: AT command test suite

2007-07-28 Thread Andy Powell
On Saturday 28 July 2007 20:11, Shakthi Kannan wrote:
 Hi,

 On 7/28/07, Andy Powell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Why do you feel the need to apply the GPL to this? It's in the public
  domain - leave it there.

 It is implemented in Perl and command-line.

 I thought it will be valuable to write a perl-GTK GUI [1] application
 for it, so an end-user can simply 'click' on say a Run AT Test
 button or something, which can save the result to a file, and can
 possibly submit the results/report to...

snip

All very laudable goals, but that's not the question I asked.

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Re: another GPS idea - speed-sensitive voicemail

2007-07-28 Thread Andy Powell
On Saturday 28 July 2007 21:17, Eric van Horssen wrote:

 Something like Asterix (don't know the full possibilities of Asterix
 though)

He was a character in  popular French cartoon by Goscinny and Uderzo, he could 
do lots and lots of things... He probably would have used Asterisk if it had 
been around at the time.

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Re: whee!

2007-07-26 Thread Andy Powell
On Thursday 26 July 2007 17:08, Mark Eichin wrote:
 Advanced kit arrived, yay!

 Batteries and uSD cards were missing, boo!

 The phone doesn't appear to power up off of the USB cable by itself,
 either...


Not that I want to treat you like a muppet, but you do know that there are 2 
layers of stuff in the box don't you? You know like a ox of chocolates...

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Re: Order related inquiries

2007-07-24 Thread Andy Powell
On Tuesday 24 July 2007 09:10, William Lai wrote:
 Dear Community,

 We`re getting a lot of customer inquiries with regards to order /
 payment processing.  If you already received a 'Your credit card has
 been charged' notification from RT than I guess this doesn`t concern
 you,  your phones will be shipped promptly.


When you say 'promptly' what do you mean? Can you give us a timescale or the 
actual shipping?

Thanks for keeping us updated.

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Openmoko and Funambol not working together?

2007-07-23 Thread Andy Powell

I've just noticed that the openmoko logo appears to have been removed from the  
funambol 'community partners list'

http://www.funambol.com/opensource/partners.html

I know it was there recently. Is there any info on this?

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Re: An idea for an advertisement

2007-07-21 Thread Andy Powell
On Saturday 21 July 2007 08:18, Sudharshan S wrote:
 Hi all,
 I have an idea for an advertisement featuring Openmoko. Be gentle with
 the flames though.

I particularly liked the 'Hello World' part ... :D

I had something in mind that was rather simplistic but could easily form a 
series of ads :

Scene is set in a garage. Closeup of a mechanic trying to put the wheel nuts 
on, keeps dropping them, can't get them threaded etc camera zooms out  to 
reveal that the wheel is triangular..  

voiceover says:

 Imagine having no choice. You wouldn't buy a car that took away your 
choice... ... would you?

crossfade to openmoko logo + free your phone


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Re: community Digest, Vol 36, Issue 45

2007-07-20 Thread Andy Powell
On Thursday 19 July 2007 23:39, Steven ** wrote:
 Is that searchable?  Is it threaded?  Will there be someone on 24/7 that is
 knowledgable and helpful?

 I understand that some people love IRC and mailing lists.  But users expect
 to search and ask questions in a forum, not on a mailing list and IRC.  I
 think it's about time for some forums.

 -Steven

Those were never specified as requirements at all.  What they asked for was 
somewhere they could ask questions without  spamming the list  - irc is 
perfect for those little questions.

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Re: community Digest, Vol 36, Issue 45

2007-07-20 Thread Andy Powell
On Friday 20 July 2007 17:35, Jonathon Suggs wrote:
 IRC and mailing lists have their uses, but so do forums.  I honestly
 don't understand the resistance to the idea of a forum.  Other than
 people being so closed minded and elitist that they can't understand how
 people are soo stupid not to have know the answer to the question already.

At what point did I actually say *anything* against forums? Please, show me. A 
question was asked and I made a suggestion - just because you don't like it 
doesn't mean others weren't aware of it as an option or whatever.

 So if anything, hopefully those people (who are the people who give FOSS
 a bad rep) will stick to IRC and mailing lists, and people that can
 actually perform social interaction can help people out in the forums.

Wait, did you just insult everyone who uses irc / mailing lists. Good move.
You just failed 'social interaction 101'

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Re: Shipping, Billing, etc

2007-07-19 Thread Andy Powell
On Thursday 19 July 2007 17:15, Daniel Robinson wrote:
 I had some concerns about this also.  There has been very little info
 coming out from OpenMoko about the number of units of each type that have
 been ordered by developers and how many are available.  Moreover, there
 hasn't been any information about where we are in the queue.  All that has
 been said is that you get one email, then you get another email, then you
 get your dev unit.

 Do they expect me to keep hitting the refresh button like some blue-haired
 lady playing the nickel slots?


I'm waiting for them to get us to send them a picture with a fish on my head, 
or holding up a sign that says 'I sleep with badgers' in Taiwanese.

All in all the dire communication is the biggest problem. It appears that 2 
people have had confirmation that their credit card has been charged, neither 
seems to have a tracking number and neither appears to have shipped. We know 
the neo1973's arrived on the 17th so why haven't more cards been charged and 
boxes shipped.

I'd rather they stopped making dumb videos and started packing, billing and 
shipping.


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Re: community Digest, Vol 36, Issue 45

2007-07-19 Thread Andy Powell
On Thursday 19 July 2007 22:03, Mathew Davis wrote:
 I agree.  I posted a while back about a forum, and it was clearly not the
 time yet for one.  But as phones are now being shipped and people will have
 actual units I think The list could get really messy.  I think a forum
 offers a lot of advantages over the mailing list for some things.  It is
 good for editing, grouping, and for research.  So if this helps I will use
 it and I am sure so will alot of other people.

Have you tried the irc channel #openmoko on irc.freenode.net ?

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Re: Shipping, Billing, etc

2007-07-19 Thread Andy Powell
On Thursday 19 July 2007 22:09, Mark wrote:
 You guys realize FIC doesn't sell things to consumers.  This is
 probably the First Credit card billing they've done(at least this many
 transactions at once), and those two may have been test cases.  I

That's perfectly understandable, but 2 cards in as many days, it doesn't take 
that long...

 suspect they need to be sent to the company in a specific format that
 they wanted to test rather then have (for example 200) messed up
 charges.  I suspect soon everyone who will get a neo in the first
 batch will be charged and the boxes sent out same/next day.  Also
 don't forget we were told a long time ago 16th at the earliest so we
 are actually 3 days late, not two weeks.  I also suspect they opened

No, sending an email with the word 'remember' at the beginning doesn't 
actually constitute advanced notice. There was no indication at all that 
there would be a delay in shipping until this message,

http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2007-July/006633.html

so it's still 2 weeks late. 

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Re: Shipping, Billing, etc

2007-07-19 Thread Andy Powell
On Thursday 19 July 2007 20:58, Rodolphe Ortalo wrote:
 Hmm, btw, I did not even get a YES_I_DO message personnally... has
 everyone on the list received one against their order?

 Rodolphe

You might not need to have one, there was some cut off where they had stated 
that the device was a development one, not a consumer product. I think they 
just sent the YES_I_DO message to really early orders...

I don't know what the cut of was though.


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