Re: Comparing A5 and A7 sound settings

2010-03-14 Thread Ben Wilson

 Just my two cents. I think at this point distributions' defaults
 should be towards A7 users, since all new users are anyway A7 users
 and A5/A6 owners by now are surely aware of the ALSA setting
 problematics.

 Hi,

 If it really depends on the Ax model I think they should be somehow
 distinguished by /proc/cpuinfo so if different ALSA settings are needed,
 they should be selected automatically based on that.

  
 It would be a big help. Totally agree.
   
It's a good idea, but how would it get the info about which Ax version 
the user has.
Even if the A(x) manufactured version is detecable in software I doubt a 
home modified A(x) to A(x+1) is.
It would really need to be user specified.

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Re: [GTA02] VGA-QVGA switching - #2263 revisited

2010-02-17 Thread Ben Wilson
I'd just like to add that QVGA has not worked on GTA01 for a few years 
now (at least not in SHR)
xrandr has always reported 480x640 as the only available mode.

I think it may have been worked under om2007.
Anyone tried it under debian?

If anyone's able to have a look at getting GTA01 QVGA working in SHR 
that would be great.

Ben.

On 18/02/2010 4:47 a.m., Vladimir Koutny wrote:
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 Thus, I'd like to ask if anyone know:
   - a solution that works?
   - a git revision which is supposed to fix #2263?
   - some background on #2263 so I can try to fix it in SHR kernel?

 I'm also fine with DRM kerels if they can somehow switch the 
 modes/orientations;
 I didn't find a word how that should work, though.

 XRandR hasn't really been worked on yet for the DRM/KMS stack, so if it
 works then it's more luck than judgement.  I'm working on stabilising
 this kind of thing in the 2.6.32+DRM kernel right now.
  
 Ok, thanks for info. I'll try to have a look at the andy-tracking code
 for now (which is the most stable kernel for my needs.. 2.6.32 can't even
 suspend/resume properly) - hopefully I can find something..

 Vlado


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Re: How is gta01 charger ID resistor detected?

2010-01-25 Thread Ben Wilson
I could be wrong, but I thought the 47K resistor cable ID feature was 
one of the things they added into GTA02.
I assumed GTA01 didn't have it.

Ben.

Andy Poling wrote:
 I have made a couple of custom charging cables for use with my gta01 and dumb
 USB chargers (selected because they were rated at least 500ma).  I made the
 cables by connecting a 47K resistor between the ID pin and ground leads.

 However, after struggling with constantly inability to reliably charge my
 gta01 on dumb chargers, some investigation has shown that the phone (running,
 at the moment, a recent git pull) is settling into trickle charge despite the
 presence of the ID resistor.

 What is supposed to detect the resistor?  What happens when it does?  How can
 I tell if it's working?

 I've modified the pcf50606 reporting in my kernel to reveal more bits of the
 registers to track this down.  I've changed the charger sysfs online attribute
 to use the low bit of CHGVINSTAT for bit 0 and CHGAPE for bit 1.  I've changed
 the chgmod attribute to also reveal the CHGAPE and AUTOFST bits.

 The first thing I noticed is that CHGVINSTAT is always set, even when there's
 no charger present.  I don't know why.  That seems contrary to the pcf50606
 spec.  It's possible it's a bug in my change to the driver.

 But the real problem I noticed is that AUTOFST is getting cleared when a cable
 with the ID resistor is connected.  Here's a log made by a shell script
 monitoring changes in the values reported through sysfs as I unplugged from my
 desktop and then plugged into a dumb charger with my modified cable:

 Jan 24 23:47:50 neo logger: BATSTAT=Charging BATCHG=100 CHARGER=3 
 CHARGEMODE=15
 (bits set indicate CHGAPE=1, AUTOFST=0, CHGMOD=fastcccv)
 ** unplugged from desktop USB **
 Jan 25 03:24:02 neo logger: BATSTAT=Discharging BATCHG=100 CHARGER=3 
 CHARGEMODE=31
 (bits set indicate CHGAPE=1, AUTOFST=1, CHGMOD=idle)
 [...]
 Jan 25 03:28:03 neo logger: BATSTAT=Discharging BATCHG=94 CHARGER=3 
 CHARGEMODE=31
 ** plugged into dumb charger and modified cable **
 Jan 25 03:28:34 neo logger: BATSTAT=Charging BATCHG=96 CHARGER=3 CHARGEMODE=5
 (bits set indicate CHGAPE=1, AUTOFST=0, CHGMOD=precharge)
 [...]
 Jan 25 10:53:46 neo logger: BATSTAT=Charging BATCHG=23 CHARGER=3 CHARGEMODE=5
 ** unplugged from dumb charger and modified cable **
 Jan 25 10:54:16 neo logger: BATSTAT=Discharging BATCHG=18 CHARGER=3 
 CHARGEMODE=29
 (bits set indicate CHGAPE=1, AUTOFST=0, CHGMOD=idle)
 [...]
 Jan 25 10:56:48 neo logger: BATSTAT=Discharging BATCHG=20 CHARGER=3 
 CHARGEMODE=29
 ** plugged into desktop USB **
 Jan 25 10:57:18 neo logger: BATSTAT=Charging BATCHG=43 CHARGER=3 CHARGEMODE=15
 (bits set indicate CHGAPE=1, AUTOFST=0, CHGMOD=fastcccv)
 [...]
 Jan 25 10:59:19 neo logger: BATSTAT=Charging BATCHG=56 CHARGER=3 CHARGEMODE=15

 As you can see, I never get more than trickle charge when on the dumb charger
 and modified cable.

 Along the way I encountered several things about the pcf50606 MBC control
 driver that I think can be improved/fixed.  I guess I'll take that discussion
 to the openmoko kernel list.

 -Andy

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Re: Costa Rica 3G and Neo Freerunner.

2009-12-07 Thread Ben Wilson
That's 3G SIM cards.

To support 3G a phone needs the hardware to transmit the 3G protocol and 
frequency (3G chip inside) and a SIM card that supports 3G
The neo freerunner and 1973 don't have a 3G chip inside so cannot 
connect to the 3G network.
A while back people were having problems using 3G SIM cards in the phone 
(3G SIM card to connect to 2G network).
The phone wouldn't connect or would give issues so that page was setup 
to list which 3G SIM cards would work on the phone (2G connection).
As far as I know the latest GSM firmware fixed those issues.

Ben.

Esteban Monge wrote:
 Thanks for your answer.
 In this page some 3G chips works with Neo Freerunner, What mean that?
 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FreeRunner_unable_to_work_with_3G_SIM_cards


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Received SMS going unnoticed

2009-11-12 Thread Ben Wilson
Hi,

I've been using SHR unstable for my everyday phone for a while and i was 
wondering what solutions people
are using to stop sms messages arriving without being noticed.

I leave me phone running and on charge next to the PC when i'm at home 
so the battery is always full when i go out.
What's happening is I get a sms and of course the sound plays but i'm 
not there to hear it.
With the auto screen poweroff I don't even notice when I return to the 
PC, can be a few hours before i tap the phone and notice.

I could turn off auto screen poweroff, so when I return the new message 
is visible on the phone but then the LCD would be running pretty much 
all day/night which is probably not so good for its lifespan.

What would be ideal is for it to keep playing the new message sound 
every few minutes while the new message popup is being displayed. Does 
anyone have a cron script or anything to solve this problem.

Thanks
Ben.

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Re: Received SMS going unnoticed

2009-11-12 Thread Ben Wilson
Unfortunately, i have gta01, no leds

Ben.

Davide Scaini wrote:
 maybe a led flashing... we have 3 leds!
 d

 On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 9:40 PM, Ben Wilson b...@abcom.co.nz 
 mailto:b...@abcom.co.nz wrote:

 Hi,

 I've been using SHR unstable for my everyday phone for a while and
 i was
 wondering what solutions people
 are using to stop sms messages arriving without being noticed.

 I leave me phone running and on charge next to the PC when i'm at home
 so the battery is always full when i go out.
 What's happening is I get a sms and of course the sound plays but i'm
 not there to hear it.
 With the auto screen poweroff I don't even notice when I return to the
 PC, can be a few hours before i tap the phone and notice.

 I could turn off auto screen poweroff, so when I return the new
 message
 is visible on the phone but then the LCD would be running pretty much
 all day/night which is probably not so good for its lifespan.

 What would be ideal is for it to keep playing the new message sound
 every few minutes while the new message popup is being displayed. Does
 anyone have a cron script or anything to solve this problem.

 Thanks
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Re: Received SMS going unnoticed

2009-11-12 Thread Ben Wilson
Thanks

That looks like a good place to start, i'll have a go at it.

Ben.

arne anka wrote:
 basically it should be possible, to write a rule for oeventsd in  
 rules.yaml (incoming sms should be an event supported).
 if not, you could opimd-cli and do something like

 opimd-cli messages query MessageRead 0 | grep Numer of results: | awk  
 '{print $4}'

 which would print the number of unread (which 0 means, imo) messages  
 (Numer is the correct typo :-), but better check again).
 as long as the resulting number != 0, you could trigger a vibration.

 DISPLAY=:0 qdbus --system org.freesmartphone.odeviced  
 /org/freesmartphone/Device/LED/neo1973_vibrator   
 org.freesmartphone.Device.LED.SetBlinking 60 3000


 i still don't know, how to call directly via bash/dbus call, which would  
 be a tad less resource consuming.

 DISPLAY=:0 qdbus --system org.freesmartphone.opimd  
 /org/freesmartphone/PIM/Messages/Queries   
 org.freesmartphone.PIM.MessageQuery.GetResultCount

 produces an error:
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Re: Received SMS going unnoticed

2009-11-12 Thread Ben Wilson
Good idea,
Could use the accelerometers to sense it being picked up.
Couldn't do it in gta01 though, since it doesn't have the sensors.

Ben.

Robin Paulson wrote:
 2009/11/13 Ben Wilson b...@abcom.co.nz:
   
 What would be ideal is for it to keep playing the new message sound
 every few minutes while the new message popup is being displayed. Does
 anyone have a cron script or anything to solve this problem.
 

 personally, i would find it very useful to tie this in to the
 vibrators, so when i pick the phone up, it notifies me again of a
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QVGA 240x320 in GTA01 in SHR

2009-10-29 Thread Ben Wilson
Hi

Can anyone help me get GTA01 into 240x320 mode in SHR unstable (latest 
buildhost)

I've tried the following..

$ xrandr -s 240x320
Size 240x320 not found in available modes

$ chvt 4  echo qvga-normal  
/sys/devices/platform/spi_s3c24xx_gpio.1/spi0.0/state  fbset qvga
LCD changes to something but it's all messed up, grey lines, nothing 
really recognisable.
Have to reboot phone to get it back to readable.

Thanks,
Ben.

My fb.modes file is the typical one and contains the following

# Timings for GTA01 VGA and QVGA mode

mode 480x640
# D: 26.000 MHz, H: 43.334 kHz, V: 65.657 Hz
geometry 480 640 480 640 16
timings 38461 104 8 2 16 8 2
accel false
endmode

mode vga
# D: 26.000 MHz, H: 43.334 kHz, V: 65.657 Hz
geometry 480 640 480 640 16
timings 38461 104 8 2 16 8 2
accel false
endmode

mode 240x320
# D: 8.475 MHz, H: 24.635 kHz, V: 75.569 Hz
geometry 240 320 240 320 16
timings 118000 88 8 2 2 8 2
accel false
endmode

mode qvga
# D: 8.475 MHz, H: 24.635 kHz, V: 75.569 Hz
geometry 240 320 240 320 16
timings 118000 88 8 2 2 8 2
accel false
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Re: Free runner opened up

2009-08-26 Thread Ben Wilson
I dunno about the freerunner but with gta01 it shipped with a guitar 
pick to be used to pry the case open without damaging the plastic :)

Risto H. Kurppa wrote:
 On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 8:16 AM, RANJANinfi...@gmail.com wrote:
   
 Hi,

 Did anyone open their free runner up.I want to give it a try.Any suggestion
 (blogs or pics of it might help).Please let me know.How is the screen in FR
 .Is there a backlit panel and a color panel which can be seperated?
 

 Dude, of course it's been opened - it's an open phone :)

 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Disassembling_Neo_1973

 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_GTA02_Hardware
 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_1973_hardware



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Help, bricked gta01. Anyone in New Zealand with a debug board?

2009-07-10 Thread Ben Wilson
Hi,

I just bricked my GTA01 by accident and need a debugboard to reflash uboot.
Anyone out there in New Zealand with a debugboard that can help?

Thanks
Ben (Psi)

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Re: Help, bricked gta01. Anyone in New Zealand with a debug board?

2009-07-10 Thread Ben Wilson
David Vermeille wrote:
 2009/7/10 Ben Wilson b...@abcom.co.nz mailto:b...@abcom.co.nz

 Hi,

 I just bricked my GTA01 by accident and need a debugboard to
 reflash uboot.
 Anyone out there in New Zealand with a debugboard that can help?

 Thanks
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 Hi,
 You may want to look at http://www.almesberger.net/misc/idbg/ if you 
 don't find someone with a debug board.

 Hope it helped,
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wow, thanks.

I should be able to build that quite easily.

Thanks again,

Ben.

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GTA01 SHR Image, anyone have a good one?

2009-06-01 Thread Ben Wilson
Hi

I've been using SHR on my gta01 for a while as my everyday phone.
Recently I decided to try the latest testing/unstable images and ran 
into problems.

I'd like to move back to an earlier version so I can keep using my phone 
but unfortunately I deleted the old
image that I was using.

So does anyone out there with a GTA01 have a good SHR image I could grab?
Or maybe there's an archive of old images that I'm unaware of?

Thanks,

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Re: How to use FR as a mass storage device?

2009-05-10 Thread Ben Wilson
samba works too.

Ben.

Daniel.Li wrote:
 On Sun, 2009-05-10 at 13:17 +1000, Carsten Haitzler wrote:
   
 On Sun, 10 May 2009 10:20:30 +0800 Daniel.Li lida_m...@163.com said:

 
 Dear List,

 Well, I found that copying files to FR is quite difficult with
 tftp/wget. Is there any way simple, like usb(mass storage device, just
 like a thumb drive)

 Or there might be something i missed, please redirect me to the correct
 page. Thanks.
   
 also remember - usb storage is block-based. it could ONLY export the micro-sd
 card, and while exported it cannot be visible/mounted on the phone, so its a
 lot of caveats.

 use scp - simplest way, or better, nfs export from the phone (u'll need to 
 add
 some packages). :)
 


 Hum... nfs is a really good idea. 

 a) I have got below items, which one should I install? 

 b) Is it same as configuration on x86 paltform (/etc/exports)?


 kernel-module-nfs - 2.6.29-oe10+gitr119805
 +f656a97d946a2529630c9770a72c10a24dc397f9-r3.4 - nfs kernel module
 kernel-module-nfs - 2.6.29-oe10+gitr119801
 +b4136a36f31a65d0998a328465df9e8e2ba93166-r3.4 - 
 kernel-module-nfs-acl - 2.6.29-oe10+gitr119805
 +f656a97d946a2529630c9770a72c10a24dc397f9-r3.4 - nfs-acl kernel module
 kernel-module-nfs-acl - 2.6.29-oe10+gitr119801
 +b4136a36f31a65d0998a328465df9e8e2ba93166-r3.4 - 
 kernel-module-nfsd - 2.6.29-oe10+gitr119805
 +f656a97d946a2529630c9770a72c10a24dc397f9-r3.4 - nfsd kernel module
 kernel-module-nfsd - 2.6.29-oe10+gitr119801
 +b4136a36f31a65d0998a328465df9e8e2ba93166-r3.4 - 
 task-base-nfs - 1.0-r80 - Merge machine and distro options to create a
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Re: GTA01 question : what capacity of ....

2009-04-24 Thread Ben Wilson
Tilman Baumann wrote:
 Tim Niemeyer wrote:
   
 Hallo wim.delvaux,

 * wim.delv...@adaptiveplanet.com wim.delv...@adaptiveplanet.com
 [24-04-09 04:16]:
 
 I.e. if I buy a 8GB micro SD card, would the GTA01 be able to use it ?
   
 I have never tried it, but i have heared it supports SDHC cards, but can't
 boot it? (Booting with Uboot???/Qi???; i don't know)
 

 More or less. :)
 SDHC is no problem for Linux. But UBoot can not load a kernel from SDHC.
 The wiki has a section how to boot a rootfs from sd and use the kernel
 from internal flash.

 And *never ever* use Qi on GTA01. You will loose the DFU loader!

   
It says this on the wiki
Booting from SDHC requires a u-boot from 2008-07-23 or later. *But pay 
attention* : there are problems with SDHC cards at suspend time.

I got it from here
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Supported_microSD_cards

Might only apply to GTA02 though.

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Re: Recommended GTA01 images?

2009-04-08 Thread Ben Wilson
which shr-unstable image are you referring to?
( http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/images/om-gta01/ )

I tried shr-image-om-gta01.jffs2 with the 2.4.24 kernel there but it had 
no GSM.

Ben.


Johny Tenfinger wrote:
 You can use GPRS without scripts ;) Use shr-unstable (which is stable
 enough again ;D) and use SHR Settings to connect ;)

 2009/4/5, Ben Wilson b...@abcom.co.nz:
   
 try   shr-lite-image-om-gta01.jffs2   from
 http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-testing/images/om-gta01/

 Seems to work great on my gta01, dialling / suspend / sms etc..
 By default it won't suspend automatically after x seconds, but this
 might be easy to change.
 I just suspend it myself before putting it in my pocket every time
 (click X at homescreen for shutdown/suspend options).
 It has always woken up from suspend when calls or txt arrive. so yeah,
 seems perfectly stable to me for everyday use.

 There's some shr tweaks here
 (some may already have been done to the image, ie, i didn't have to do
 fast suspend and no echo)
 http://shr-project.org/trac/wiki/Tweaks

 The GPRS scripts here also work for me
 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPRS_FSO
 It doesn't have a browser in the image however you can opkg install one

 Ben

 Mikko Rauhala wrote:
 
 Hi

 It seems that my FRs are suffering from additional HW woes to the usual
 ones, and I just contacted my vendor with warranty questions.

 Meanwhile, what's hot nowadays for a GTA01 if one wants the phone
 functions to somewhat work, and yeah, suspend too preferrably?


   
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Re: Recommended GTA01 images?

2009-04-05 Thread Ben Wilson
Yeah. I gave up using the built in flash a while ago due to never having 
any free space.
I run the OS on the sdcard, plenty of room there.

Ben

polz wrote:
 On Sunday 05 April 2009 05:40:50 Ben Wilson wrote:
   
 try   shr-lite-image-om-gta01.jffs2   from
 http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-testing/images/om-gta01/

 
 How did you get it to fit in the flash, along with gllin?

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Re: Recommended GTA01 images?

2009-04-04 Thread Ben Wilson
try   shr-lite-image-om-gta01.jffs2   from
http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-testing/images/om-gta01/

Seems to work great on my gta01, dialling / suspend / sms etc..
By default it won't suspend automatically after x seconds, but this 
might be easy to change.
I just suspend it myself before putting it in my pocket every time 
(click X at homescreen for shutdown/suspend options).
It has always woken up from suspend when calls or txt arrive. so yeah, 
seems perfectly stable to me for everyday use.

There's some shr tweaks here
(some may already have been done to the image, ie, i didn't have to do 
fast suspend and no echo)
http://shr-project.org/trac/wiki/Tweaks

The GPRS scripts here also work for me
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPRS_FSO
It doesn't have a browser in the image however you can opkg install one

Ben

Mikko Rauhala wrote:
 Hi

 It seems that my FRs are suffering from additional HW woes to the usual
 ones, and I just contacted my vendor with warranty questions.

 Meanwhile, what's hot nowadays for a GTA01 if one wants the phone
 functions to somewhat work, and yeah, suspend too preferrably?

   

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Can't flash fso console images, error -110. Other images flash fine.

2009-03-29 Thread Ben Wilson
Hi,

I have a weird problem that i just can't figure out.
I'm trying to flash this fso console image to my gta01.


http://downloads.freesmartphone.org/fso-stable/milestone5.1/om-gta01/fso-console-image-om-gta01.jffs2

and i always get this...

$ sudo ./dfu-util -a rootfs -R -D ./fso-console-image-om-gta01.jffs2
dfu-util - (C) 2007 by OpenMoko Inc.
This program is Free Software and has ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY
Opening USB Device 0x:0x...
Claiming USB DFU Runtime Interface...
Determining device status: state = appIDLE, status = 0
Device really in Runtime Mode, send DFU detach request...
Resetting USB...
Opening USB Device...
Found Runtime: [0x1457:0x5119] devnum=8, cfg=0, intf=0, alt=5, name=rootfs
Claiming USB DFU Interface...
Setting Alternate Setting ...
Determining device status: state = dfuIDLE, status = 0
dfuIDLE, continuing
Transfer Size = 0x1000
bytes_per_hash=452853
Starting download: 
[##dfu_download error -110
] finished!
unable to read DFU status


I've also tried the two other console images on that page


http://downloads.freesmartphone.org/fso-stable/milestone5.1/om-gta01/openmoko-fso-console-image-glibc-ipk--20090223-om-gta01.rootfs.jffs2

http://downloads.freesmartphone.org/fso-stable/milestone5.1/om-gta01/openmoko-fso-console-image-glibc-ipk--20090224-om-gta01.rootfs.jffs2

Both give the same problem.
However, i can flash other distros/images perfectly fine
eg, these all flash fine...


http://downloads.freesmartphone.org/fso-stable/milestone5.1/om-gta01/openmoko-fso-illume-image-glibc-ipk--20090224-om-gta01.rootfs.jffs2

http://build.shr-project.org/shr-testing/images/om-gta01/shr-lite-image-om-gta01.jffs2

http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/Openmoko-openmoko-qtopia-image-glibc-ipk-P1-Snapshot-20080710-om-gta01.rootfs.jffs2

It may not be relevant but all the rootfs that don't work are 22mb in size.
The ones that work are all bigger, starting at 37MB

I've tried the following with no luck
1) Getting the latest version of dfu-util
2) Flashing from a different PC
3) Doing a nand erase rootfs
4) Using a different usb cable

I'm running U-Boot 1.3-2-moko12 (Dec 17 2008 - 00:48:40)

If it helps here's what my boot env looks like
(i edited it recently to make it boot from uSD by default and so might
have something to do with the problem if i did something wrong in there)
--
GTA01Bv4 # printenv
baudrate=115200
bootargs_base=rootfstype=jffs2 root=/dev/mtdblock4 
console=ttySAC0,115200 console=tty0 loglevel=8
bootdelay=1
menu_1=Set console to USB: setenv stdin usbtty; setenv stdout usbtty; 
setenv stderr usbtty
menu_2=Set console to serial: setenv stdin serial; setenv stdout serial; 
setenv stderr serial
menu_3=Power off: neo1973 power-off
mtdids=nand0=neo1973-nand
mtdparts=mtdparts=neo1973-nand:0x0004(u-boot),0x4000(u-boot_env),0x0020(kernel),0x000a(splash),0x03d1c000(rootfs)
quiet=1
sd_image_name=uImage
splashimage=nand read.e 0x3200 splash 0x5000; unzip 0x3200 
0x33d0 0x96000
stdin=usbtty
usbtty=cdc_acm
boot_menu_timeout=65000
menu_5=Boot from SD with init: setenv bootargs ${bootargs_base} 
rootfstype=ext3 root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 rootdelay=5 ${mtdparts}; mmcinit; 
ext2load mmc 1 0x3200 ${sd_image_name}; bootm 0x3200
menu_4=Boot from Flash: setenv bootargs ${bootargs_base} ${mtdparts}; 
nand read.e 0x3200 kernel; bootm 0x3200
bootcmd=setenv bootargs ${bootargs_base} rootfstype=ext3 
root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 rootdelay=5 ${mtdparts}; mmcinit; ext2load mmc 1 
0x3200 ${sd_image_name}; bootm 0x3200
partition=nand0,0
mtddevnum=0
mtddevname=u-boot
pcf50606_int1=0x53
stdout=usbtty
stderr=usbtty

Environment size: 1250/16380 bytes
GTA01Bv4 #
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separate mailing lists for each GTA device?

2009-02-09 Thread Ben Wilson
I'm not a heavy openmoko mailing list user but I do read some of it to 
try and keep up to date.
As an owner of a GTA01 I find it quite tricky to keep up to date on the 
state-of/discussion-on GTA01 because of the massive volume of GTA02 
communications.

Feel free to argue either way on this idea but maybe it would be 
beneficial to have a separate list for GTA01 and maybe GTA02/03 as well.
A place where people could talk about issues only related to a single 
device or give updates on the status of things for that device.

I'm probably not alone in my email filters to move list emails into 
folders GTA01, GTA02, GTA03 and GTA04 if they contain that text, which 
isn't a very good solution to the problem.

What are your thoughts on it? or other possible solutions.

Ben.

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Cellphone sizes

2009-01-01 Thread Ben Wilson
Sean's comment that 3G modules are currently too big has got me 
thinking about cellphone sizes.

Maybe it's just me but I don't really see the fascination with keeping 
phones small.
I would be happy with a phone larger than GTA01/02. Something a bit 
smaller than a Sony PSP.
Really the only size constraint i have is the size of my pockets, which 
are quite big :)

A PSP-like sized phone would relax the size constraints that were 
present in gta01/02 development and allow a wider range of chipsets to 
be considered.
There would be room for some of the wish-list items such as an external 
flash slot, empty internal space for add-ons, fully powered usb port, IR 
remote control port,  external analog and digital IO, much bigger 
battery, few more button/wheels and of course maybe a 3G module.
It would also allow for a bigger screen which I think helps any 
touchscreen phone.

However I guess a phone that size might not appeal to everybody?

Ben.


Sean Moss-Pultz wrote:
 On 12/31/08 Ben wrote:
   
 Any chance of getting an announce list for 3G, or a guarantee that it
 will be mentioned on the announce list when it is confirmed?
 

 You bet we'll mention it. But please don't hold your breath. We're a 
 long way away from a serious 3G design. Openmoko cannot afford the 
 licensing royalties needed to implement a reference design. And modules 
 (global ones), at this point, are just too big.

 Happy holidays.

-Sean

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Re: Stage of GTA03 development?

2008-12-23 Thread Ben Wilson
Gothnet wrote:
 3G is an absolute must for the gta03, without it it's just a phone with a
 lousy connection most of the time. Or would be if I could be bothered to try
 getting GPRS working...
   

I'm pretty sure the specs for GTA03 are set and it's 2.75G / edge.
3G will be in GTA04 at the earliest.

3G will be an option only when there is a 3G chipset with interface 
documentation that's not under NDA.

Ben.


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Re: Suspend/Resume Issue: Possible Hardware Problem?

2008-08-16 Thread Ben Wilson
Between attempts did you erase and reflash both the kernel and rootfs as 
well as remove all power
for 30seconds (battery and usb) to completely reset the phone?

Ben

Robert Bieber wrote:
 When OM2008.8 was released, I flashed it to my Freerunner, and suspend 
 and resume worked impeccably for the first couple of days I had it.  
 After that, however, it started going into suspend and refusing to come 
 out, even if called.  I reflashed with 2008.8, but the problem 
 persisted.  I have since tried multiple reflashes of OM2008.8, FSO 
 Milestone 2, and Qtopia, and none of them will allow the phone to come 
 out of suspend.  Given that the problem persists across distributions, 
 it would seem as though there may be an issue with the phone itself.  
 Does anyone else have any experience with this problem?  Could there be 
 a software fix, or am I going to have to have the phone replaced?

 Thank you,
 Robert Bieber

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Re: Is Neo1973 truly abandoned?

2008-08-14 Thread Ben Wilson
I second this.

Ben

 I am only aware of 1 (ONE) functioning GTA01 in the Taipei office. A  
 bit hard to do development and testing that way.
 Next week we will look at the Om 2008.8 on GTA01 situation:

 1. how many people want this?

   
 
 How many GTA01s did you sell? Gotta be a few thousand. I'm sure we all 
 bought them assuming *someday* we'd have a usable phone. Right now, I 
 have a usable GPS, thanks to TangoGPS, other than the fact that the 
 battery dies before I finish most of my hikes (making it useless as a 
 GPS, too, other than for novelty value).

 When I got the GTA01, I assumed that someday it would be usable as a PDA 
 and phone, and could hand off to my wife and then get a GTA02. Instead, 
 I essentially have a $350 paperweight.

 So when GTA03 comes out, does GTA02 get abandoned?


 I'd say, the minimum that we need for GTA01 would:

 1. have working, reliable GSM service to use as a phone
 2. have working, reliable suspend/resume so that you can get more than 4 
 hours at a time, without breaking the other features
 3. provide working SMS,
 4. have an address book, and calendar in some form that can be 
 synchronized with desktop/online services
 5. have a GPS/mapping software that works.

 So as best I can tell, we have 4 out of 5, but not even in any 
 combination that can be run together.

 Can we at least get 1 to 4 done in some core release, so we can call it 
 a phone?

   

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Re: What will be in GTA03?

2008-08-11 Thread Ben Wilson
Most of the interesting things you can do with a built-in camera are not 
practical if you need to
actually find and plug in a usb camera attachment every time you need 
it. Not to mention how ugly they look.  

A built-in camera is at the top of my wish-list for future GTAXX 
products. There are so many
other things you can do with a camera than general pictures of people 
and places.
-bar code reading
-facial recognition  
-Machine vision
-3D environment mapping, (with multiple neos networked)
-OCR
And they are just a few.

I very much doubt adding a camera would cost the $200 you estimated, i 
expect it would be more like $50 or less
(assuming standard cellphone lens quality).

But, to be honest, i think getting GTA02 stable as an 
everyday-developer-phone is the most important thing right now.
There isn't much point adding more and more features if the current 
phone/features can't be used reliably.

Ben.

Daniel Benoy wrote:
 While we're on the topic of hardware wishlist stuff, I'd like to throw in my 
 two cents ^.^

 - Hot swapable SD card slot
 - External wifi antenna connector (Mmmm war driving)
 - Official openmoko car charger (That gives me 1A without having to futz 
 around)

 Also, I'd like the camera idea to be an optional extra at most.

 The buttons idea isn't so bad too, even though I really like the clean 
 minimalist look the freerunner has right now.

 I've responded inline to the comments of the original poster below.

 On Saturday 09 August 2008 10:34:32 Monkey D. Luffy wrote:
   
 1) camera (decent one, 3MP or more)
 Will it be possible to record movies with sound? What resolution?
 

 Since this phone will not be offered with any contracts (at least at first, 
 depending on how successful it gets), I don't think people will be willing to 
 pay an extra $200 just to get a camera in there.  It's possible for a USB 
 camera/webcam to be attached to the phone when it's in host mode.  If you 
 want to see that, you're more than welcome to go create it yourself.  The CAD 
 files are freely available for the phone, so you could probably readily 
 create a snugly fitting clip-on camera that replaces the back plate, or 
 something.  (Most people don't have te resources for this, but that's fine.  
 If there's enough consumer demand, it will eventually happen)

   
 2) buttons on the damn thing :p
 SNES and GBx all the way :)
 Or at the very least, sell the GTA03 with an optional control pad:
 http://www.icontrolpad.com/ But try to make it as small as possible
 (maybe the control pad overlapping the case) so it doesn't get t big.
 

 You can already plug USB gamepads into the unit.  Making one that actually 
 connects to the unit so you don't have to awkwardly balance the phone on your 
 lap or something should also be easy enough for an aftermarket manufacturer, 
 but for now you're stuck with duct tape :p

   
 3) holder for a small plastic stylus. With an optinal string
 connecting both, so that if you drop it by chance it doesn't get lost
 forever in some crack to hell.
 If possible, keep this in mind if selling the icontrolpad thingy (so
 the stylus doesn't get trapped there).
 

 Seems like nitpicking, but I guess it's a valid desire.

   
 4) GPS
 Will I be able to keep maps updated for free?
 Will it be possible to make use of google maps, in the sense of having
 the indications on how to get from A to B?
 

 This is a software issue, not a hardware one.  There's a GPS in the GTA02 and 
 if the right software ever gets created then it will be able to do what you 
 describe.

   
 5) USB connector (USB 2.x), in order to connect the phone to the computer
 

 ?  That's on the side.

   
 6) WiFi
 

 Already in there.

   
 7) accelerometers
 

 Yep.  Got that.

   
 8) bluetooth
 

 Has that too.

   
 9) a cute chinese or japanese girl ^_^
 Well, at least their phone numbers :p
 

 I would like a cute japanese girl's phone number too, but I think that's up 
 to the sim card manufacturer, or the openmoko software side.
 It would be preferable if the cute japanese girl was really into open source 
 too.  I don't know if that's feasible.

   
 I heard about xv and glamo and what else... What I need to know is:
 Will I be able to watch videos or play games (with sound on both) at
 640x480 resolution?
 

 I think we should be able to do this with the hardware that's out there now.  
 Anyone achieved this?

   
 

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Re: A very sad story...

2008-08-08 Thread Ben Wilson
There's probably a few people here that have dead phones with other faults.
Maybe one of them could sell you a dead phone cheap and you can swap the 
lcd panel with your phone.

Ben

John Koenig wrote:
 Hey all,

 Usually my first post to a community mailing list is some basic question 
 that I could find if I just read 15 more mins on a wiki, but I am sad to 
 say that this isn't the case for this posting.  I have been an openmoko 
 user for 4 days now, and a happy one at that.  I was getting involved, 
 learning, and bothering plenty of people on IRC with the types of 
 questions I mentioned earlier.  Today, I had my openmoko in my pocket 
 (empty at that) as I was out for a walk and when I turned it on 
 afterwards I discovered a crack in the LCD panel!

 I don't really know how to proceed from here.  I contacted the reseller 
 I purchased the phone from, Koolu, and haven't heard back from them 
 yet.  I need help in figuring out what to do next.  If Koolu is 
 unable/unwilling to help, how can I go about getting another LCD panel 
 to replace the damaged one? 

 Any thoughts/advice is appreciated. 

 Thanks,

 John Koenig




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Re: Why is Qtopia much faster?

2008-07-21 Thread Ben Wilson
I don't really know for sure but if i had to guess id say it's probably
because Qtopia has been around much longer and so is more optimised.
Probably has much less debug code enabled as well..

Ben.

Yorick Moko wrote:
 This might be a stupid question, but it isn't the first and will not
 be the last stupid one I ask :).
 I have glimpsed at the 2007.2, ASU and qtopia image (the latest
 builds) and a very noticable difference is the speed.
 Will this improve in the ASU and the 2007.2 or should I not get my
 hopes on? Qtopia just responds and seems to load everything faster.

 Kind regards,
 Yorick

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Re: Screen locking while in conversation

2008-07-19 Thread Ben Wilson
or we could require more than one click (or maybe a drag) to hang-up 
using the touchscreen.

arne anka wrote:
 I think it would be a sane policy to prevent the screen from locking
 during a conversation so that you don't need to unlock it just to hang
 up. Don't you think ?
 

 nope. it would mean that you might accidently execute any kind of action  
 available by tapping just because your ear is funny shaped.
 locking and hanging up by pressing aux or power shortly seems more  
 sensible to me.

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Re: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down

2008-07-13 Thread Ben Wilson
So the freerunner doesn't suffer from the problem in gta01 of squealing 
(and potential damage) if you remove the battery while it's charging?

Ben.

Michael Shiloh wrote:
 2. Once your phone is booted, remove the spare battery. Freerunner will 
 remain running, powered by charger

   

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Re: My word on GPRS

2008-07-03 Thread Ben Wilson
I wonder how feasible/effective it would be to do some extra realtime 
compression on the GPRS data link?
Make a connection to your home Linux box to terminate the compression 
and connect you out to the internet from there.

I'm not sure how GPRS works exactly, it may already use compression that 
can't really be improved upon etc.. but it might be something to think 
about.
Even and improvement from 5KB/s to 8KB/s would be nice.

Ben.

Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote:
 Am Donnerstag 03 Juli 2008 08:21:50 schrieb Knight Walker:
   
 Anyone who has paid attention to this mailing list over the last few
 months has seen the It doesn't have 3G, it's worthless messages about
 the FreeRunner. For me (And many, many others) having a fast,
 power-hungry wireless pipe to the phone isn't as important as everything
 else the FreeRunner brings to the table. But I do have a question: What
 kind of thru-put can we expect to see from the GPRS radio in the
 FreeRunner? Is it 2k/sec dial-up speed?
 

 I have just did some measurements and I have achieved a sustained throughput 
 of about 5K/sec. It's not stellar, but you can actually do a lot with that, 
 if you're a bit clever. People have lived for decades with slower landline 
 modems.

   
 Also, and I know this has been talked about before, but is the final
 word that the GPRS can or cannot be active at the same time as the GSM
 (Class B or whatever it's called)? An ongoing GPRS connection would be
 really nice but if it can suspend/resume decently (Something like v.92
 on modems if anyone remembers those).
 

 I just did some tests with our framework and here's my first (not final) word 
 on it:

 You can activate a GPRS context, have the ppp0 interface automatically setup 
 and transmit data.

 Two cases now:

 a) If you want to dial out, just dial out. The ppp0 interface will keep being 
 up, but will not be able to transmit any data while you're calling, e.g. a 
 wget will be stalling, pings will hang. Once you hangup, the context will 
 automatically be resumed, wget will continue, pings will return.

 b) If you want to receive calls, the connection needs to be idle. You can 
 safely have an activated context (i.e. i was able to log in via SSH) being 
 idle and then you will get your incoming call notifications.

 Note though, once someone wants to call you while you are not idling, i.e. 
 during a long wget, you will not get any call notifications. Instead, the 
 network will think you are not reachable and -- if configured -- send you to 
 the voice mailbox.

 All in all, considering the age of the TI Calypso, I'm quite satisfied with 
 the possibilites this gives us.

 Yes, it's not perfect. Yes, I'd love to have more. But I can already do a lot.

 Hope that helps,
   

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Re: The glamo chip and its future

2008-06-28 Thread Ben Wilson
I like the 'idea' of something programmable like a CPLD/FPGA, but I
suspect adding one would be too costly, they're not cheap as far as IC's go.

Ben.

Michael Stather wrote:
 Couldn't the glamo just be driven with a highter bandwidth, or is this a 
 chipset limitation?
 And if the chip just isn't capable of performing better, what about the 
 idea to have plain framebuffer access only through the processor but 
 include a CLPD/FPGA in the design which may be loaded on the fly with 
 a firmware for a simple 3D chip. I was involved in a project of a game 
 console, with 2D acceleration only, but IMHO simple 3D acceleration 
 isn't that hard. And this would have the advantage that the 3D core is 
 fully open and can even be improved with optimisations and more features.
 I think through its openness openmoko could also become quite popular 
 for gamers, since there exist many good open-source games which could be 
 ported easily to the platform if there was hardware acceleration (OpenGL 
 ES or even better plain OpenGL). Thinking of consumers, they want fancy 
 3D effects and games, and since all options nowadays are either j2ME 
 commercial games or smartphones which have all a rather small community 
 or are closed like the iPhone, this could becomne another real advantage 
 of the openmoko platform.


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Re: photographs of box and POSSIBLE contents of Neo Freerunner

2008-04-21 Thread Ben Wilson

Will it ship with powerpack adaptors for all countries?
I just noticed there's no adaptor for Australia/New Zealand in the pic.
Not that it would be a problem, most of us have an adaptor lying around 
somewhere.


Ben.

Michael Shiloh wrote:
Remember, Steve is still deciding what to include in the box. These 
are just a bunch of stuff that fit, from which he is making decisions:


http://quickstart.openmoko.org/photographs/

If someone with more skills than me at web page design would like to 
turn this into a nice web page with thumbnails etc. I would welcome 
the assistance. I have to get back to upgrading GTA01 firmware, 
testing GTA02 samples, and shipping all of these items. You don't need 
my permission - download these photographs, they are direct copies of 
my originals, and create what you want.


Michael

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Re: photographs of box and POSSIBLE contents of Neo Freerunner

2008-04-21 Thread Ben Wilson

Good point

Robin Paulson wrote:

2008/4/22 Ben Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  

Will it ship with powerpack adaptors for all countries?
 I just noticed there's no adaptor for Australia/New Zealand in the pic.
 Not that it would be a problem, most of us have an adaptor lying around
somewhere.



i'm not sure of the exact situation, and this may vary in some
countries, but don't some places have laws that an item sold there (or
shipped to there?) must include a correct plug?

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Re: Warning. Don't remove battery with usb power

2008-03-04 Thread Ben Wilson

Yeah, without knowing how the power system is done i dunno either.

It could be the charging circuit going to max output to try and raise 
the battery volts above the min level, (which of course it can't). 
Whatever the cause, the scream is definitely coming from a coil or 
inductor vibrating due to the attraction/repulsion between its own 
magnetic field and the earth's. But which coil/inductor and what's 
causing it to go into this state i dunno.


Ben.


Tilman Baumann wrote:

Ben Wilson wrote:

Hey Nick,

I've not looked at the electronics inside the neo myself but the sound
is typical in the electronics world of a switchmode power supply 
under grate strain.


The reason is a bit more banal. (AFAIK)
The scream has just the frequency how much the main cpu can boot and 
detect that there is no battery and reset. (something like that)
Probably not a good thing for the components, but not a result of any 
stress to the power drivers.

But maybe it results in stress for them...

Don't know. Better avoid it. :)

Regards
 Tilman Baumann

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Warning. Don't remove battery with usb power

2008-03-03 Thread Ben Wilson

Hey,

Just a reminder to everyone *NOT* to pull out the battery while the neo 
has USB power.


You may not have heard it but the phone gets quite angry. As evident by 
a quiet scream the phone emits as the components in its power system 
begin to vibrate closer to magic smoke land.


Talking with people on IRC most have done this on occasion without any 
damage. However you are definitely risking permanent damage with the 
chance increasing with every second it is in this state.


My advice would be… Don't do it and if you do it by accident then pull 
the plug out quickly rather than listening to the interesting sound.


(I don’t know if this also applies to gta02 or not)

Ben.


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Re: Warning. Don't remove battery with usb power

2008-03-03 Thread Ben Wilson

Hi Tim

While it is possible I think it's quite unlikely. When switchmode power 
supplies die they normally destroy themselves.
I would expect, if damage occurred due to usb powered battery removal, 
the phone would be dead rather than develop booting problems.


Ben.

Tim Knapp wrote:

Hi Ben,

Yeah I've done this *once* and it freaked me out. I'm still a bit
concerned I've caused some permanent damage on my Neo as I've had
problems booting images on the nand ever since but sdcard images work
fine - jury is still out on that one.

Thanks,
Tim

On Tue, 2008-03-04 at 13:45 +1300, Ben Wilson wrote:
  

Hey,

Just a reminder to everyone *NOT* to pull out the battery while the neo 
has USB power.


You may not have heard it but the phone gets quite angry. As evident by 
a quiet scream the phone emits as the components in its power system 
begin to vibrate closer to magic smoke land.


Talking with people on IRC most have done this on occasion without any 
damage. However you are definitely risking permanent damage with the 
chance increasing with every second it is in this state.


My advice would be… Don't do it and if you do it by accident then pull 
the plug out quickly rather than listening to the interesting sound.


(I don’t know if this also applies to gta02 or not)

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Re: Never getting GPS lock

2008-02-25 Thread Ben Wilson

na, i'm on a hill, it's pretty much wide open sky.
Unobstructed to horizon for 180deg, other 180deg is about 60deg above 
horizon


Lally Singh wrote:

From: http://blogs.msdn.com/coding4fun/archive/2006/10/31/912287.aspx

$GPGSV,2,1,08,01,40,083,46,02,17,308,41,12,07,344,39,14,22,228,45*75

Where:
  GSV  Satellites in view
  2Number of sentences for full data
  1sentence 1 of 2
  08   Number of satellites in view

  01   Satellite PRN number
  40   Elevation, degrees
  083  Azimuth, degrees
  46   SNR - higher is better
   for up to 4 satellites per sentence
  *75  the checksum data, always begins with *

Looks like you're only seeing 1 satellite.  Are you in a city or
somewhere else where you'd have a lot of obstructions?

You need line-of-sight with 4 (preferably more) to get a lock.

On Sun, Feb 24, 2008 at 8:38 PM, Ben Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  

Hi

 My gta01 never gets gps lock,  i've had it outside for over 15min on
 multiple occasions over the past few months with no luck.
 I followed the instructions here
 http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2007-November/011916.html
 to get gllin installed
 and i do get the $GPxxx info, it just never locks. (Always A1).

 I get the date on the $GPRMC line which i've been told means the gps
 receiver has found at least one satellite.
 I've tried it on different kernel/rootfs images and i get the same thing.

 Does anybody else have this problem?


 GPS Output
 ---
 $GPRMC,005141.53,V,,,250208,,,N*77
 $GPGSV,1,1,01,19,,,31*72
 $GPGSA,A,1,1911.2,5.0,10.0*3E
 $GPRMC,005142.53,V,,,250208,,,N*74
 $GPGSA,A,1,1911.2,5.0,10.0*3E
 $GPRMC,005143.56,V,,,250208,,,N*70
 $GPGSA,A,1,1911.2,5.0,10.0*3E
 $GPGGA,005145.58,00,00,5.0,,M,0.179099,M,0.07
 $GPGSV,1,1,01,19,,,30*73
 $PGLOR,IGR,81.2,7,71389,0,1*0D
 $GPRMC,005146.52,V,,,250208,,,N*71
 $GPGSA,A,1,1911.2,5.0,10.0*3E
 $GPRMC,005147.56,V,,,250208,,,N*74
 $GPGSA,A,1,1911.2,5.0,10.0*3E
 $GPGGA,005149.48,00,00,5.0,,M,0.179099,M,0.0A
 $GPGSV,1,1,01,19,,,32*71
 $GPGGA,005150.52,00,00,5.0,,M,0.179099,M,0.09
 $GPRMC,005150.52,V,,,250208,,,N*76
 $GPGSV,1,1,01,19,,,31*72
 $GPGSA,A,1,1911.2,5.0,10.0*3E
 $GPGGA,005152.54,00,00,5.0,,M,0.179099,M,0.0D
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Re: Never getting GPS lock

2008-02-25 Thread Ben Wilson

I seem to have got it working, although I’m not too sure how.

It finally got a fix when I was inside playing around with different 
gllin options.
I tried the cold option (cold start) and then “-sim“ (not using 
simulator) 5min after that it was getting fixes.
Although I can't be sure the different options had anything to do with 
getting it to work and I have no idea why it would have been using the 
‘simulator’ in the first place since I was using a normal buildhost 
image and standard gllin ipk


In any case, it's working now so i'm happy :)

Thanks for your help

Ben.

Ben Wilson wrote:

na, i'm on a hill, it's pretty much wide open sky.
Unobstructed to horizon for 180deg, other 180deg is about 60deg above 
horizon


Lally Singh wrote:

From: http://blogs.msdn.com/coding4fun/archive/2006/10/31/912287.aspx

$GPGSV,2,1,08,01,40,083,46,02,17,308,41,12,07,344,39,14,22,228,45*75

Where:
GSV Satellites in view
2 Number of sentences for full data
1 sentence 1 of 2
08 Number of satellites in view

01 Satellite PRN number
40 Elevation, degrees
083 Azimuth, degrees
46 SNR - higher is better
for up to 4 satellites per sentence
*75 the checksum data, always begins with *

Looks like you're only seeing 1 satellite. Are you in a city or
somewhere else where you'd have a lot of obstructions?

You need line-of-sight with 4 (preferably more) to get a lock.

On Sun, Feb 24, 2008 at 8:38 PM, Ben Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi

My gta01 never gets gps lock, i've had it outside for over 15min on
multiple occasions over the past few months with no luck.
I followed the instructions here
http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2007-November/011916.html
to get gllin installed
and i do get the $GPxxx info, it just never locks. (Always A1).

I get the date on the $GPRMC line which i've been told means the gps
receiver has found at least one satellite.
I've tried it on different kernel/rootfs images and i get the same 
thing.


Does anybody else have this problem?


GPS Output
---
$GPRMC,005141.53,V,,,250208,,,N*77
$GPGSV,1,1,01,19,,,31*72
$GPGSA,A,1,1911.2,5.0,10.0*3E
$GPRMC,005142.53,V,,,250208,,,N*74
$GPGSA,A,1,1911.2,5.0,10.0*3E
$GPRMC,005143.56,V,,,250208,,,N*70
$GPGSA,A,1,1911.2,5.0,10.0*3E
$GPGGA,005145.58,00,00,5.0,,M,0.179099,M,0.07
$GPGSV,1,1,01,19,,,30*73
$PGLOR,IGR,81.2,7,71389,0,1*0D
$GPRMC,005146.52,V,,,250208,,,N*71
$GPGSA,A,1,1911.2,5.0,10.0*3E
$GPRMC,005147.56,V,,,250208,,,N*74
$GPGSA,A,1,1911.2,5.0,10.0*3E
$GPGGA,005149.48,00,00,5.0,,M,0.179099,M,0.0A
$GPGSV,1,1,01,19,,,32*71
$GPGGA,005150.52,00,00,5.0,,M,0.179099,M,0.09
$GPRMC,005150.52,V,,,250208,,,N*76
$GPGSV,1,1,01,19,,,31*72
$GPGSA,A,1,1911.2,5.0,10.0*3E
$GPGGA,005152.54,00,00,5.0,,M,0.179099,M,0.0D
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Never getting GPS lock

2008-02-24 Thread Ben Wilson

Hi

My gta01 never gets gps lock,  i've had it outside for over 15min on 
multiple occasions over the past few months with no luck.
I followed the instructions here 
http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2007-November/011916.html 
to get gllin installed

and i do get the $GPxxx info, it just never locks. (Always A1).

I get the date on the $GPRMC line which i've been told means the gps 
receiver has found at least one satellite.

I've tried it on different kernel/rootfs images and i get the same thing.

Does anybody else have this problem?


GPS Output
---
$GPRMC,005141.53,V,,,250208,,,N*77
$GPGSV,1,1,01,19,,,31*72
$GPGSA,A,1,1911.2,5.0,10.0*3E
$GPRMC,005142.53,V,,,250208,,,N*74
$GPGSA,A,1,1911.2,5.0,10.0*3E
$GPRMC,005143.56,V,,,250208,,,N*70
$GPGSA,A,1,1911.2,5.0,10.0*3E
$GPGGA,005145.58,00,00,5.0,,M,0.179099,M,0.07
$GPGSV,1,1,01,19,,,30*73
$PGLOR,IGR,81.2,7,71389,0,1*0D
$GPRMC,005146.52,V,,,250208,,,N*71
$GPGSA,A,1,1911.2,5.0,10.0*3E
$GPRMC,005147.56,V,,,250208,,,N*74
$GPGSA,A,1,1911.2,5.0,10.0*3E
$GPGGA,005149.48,00,00,5.0,,M,0.179099,M,0.0A
$GPGSV,1,1,01,19,,,32*71
$GPGGA,005150.52,00,00,5.0,,M,0.179099,M,0.09
$GPRMC,005150.52,V,,,250208,,,N*76
$GPGSV,1,1,01,19,,,31*72
$GPGSA,A,1,1911.2,5.0,10.0*3E
$GPGGA,005152.54,00,00,5.0,,M,0.179099,M,0.0D
---

Thanks
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Re: Power Management on Neo1973

2008-01-10 Thread Ben Wilson

I think your jumping the gun quite a bit

All we know at the moment is that there *is* a hardware bug.
We dont know;
A) If the hardware bug is bypassable in software

B) If the hardware is fixable by us. I did read somewhere that it was 
an 'incorrect resistor' problem. If this is true
and the resistor is somewhere easy to get at then changing it shouldn't 
be a problem for any experience electronics person.


C) How much the bug actually effects the battery life. You are blaming 
the current short battery life entirely on this bug.
There is probably still areas of software power management that haven't 
been done/finished yet.


D) If it really matters. I would expect a phone like the neo to run for 
about a week in standby.
If the hardware bug shortens this to a final standby time of say 3 days 
then so what,

some brand new 3G phones only get that.

The software isn't finished yet, until it is we wont know the true 
standby time
(fyi. I got 9 hours standby from one of the buildhost moko builds the 
other day, dunno how that compares with

everyone else)

In my opinion  GTA01 is, and always was, a phone to develop applications on
not use as your everyday phone. That's what GTA02 is for :)

Ben.


Robin Paulson wrote:


the word 'yet' is very telling. it strongly implies it will be there
at some point. if it's a hardware bug, it'll never be fixed
  


Nicolas Linkert wrote:


So the GTA01 will in fact never be usable as a phone. Too bad. And some
EUR 300,00 wasted ...

Best regards,
Nicolas

  


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Re: New To the list

2007-12-07 Thread Ben Wilson

That's for the developer version of GTA02, not the public release

flexd wrote:
I believe it's called a Neo1973, not Treo. (Unless there's some other 
product out there).


It's been said December, but i'm guessing past new years probably, 
because of delays and such :)


-Kristoffer

herve couvelard wrote:

Hello,

I'am new to the list and would like to say hello.

We plan to use treo1973 in a global solution computer AllInOne Touch 
screen (linux of course)  + Nokia N810 + Treo1973. (all with wifi - 
treo1973 public version is said to be wifi equiped) (and perhaps gp2X 
F200)


We would tailored version of the pack for specified activities with 
some soft to 'glue' all.


Is there a release date for the public version of the phone ?

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Phase 1+ discount quantity

2007-05-14 Thread Ben Wilson

Hi everyone,

The details of the P1+ discount for people who buy a P1 aren't out yet 
but I wanted to put forward

this question anyway.

Do you think this discount will be locked in a 1:1 relationship?
ie, buy one P1 and get a discount on one P1+
Or do you think we will be able to buy say, two discounted P1+ phones even
if we only bought one P1 phone?

Ben.


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