Re: [All] .sid file properties

2009-05-11 Thread Dale Maggee
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Hi,

I've tried many times over many years to do this, and I've never managed
to do so to my satisfaction. I did once (years ago) find a non-free (as
in closed source _and_ cost $20) Sid to midi converter, but I never
bought it and haven't been able to find it since

My understanding is that sids don't actually contain any tracking info
as such, they contain machine code for the sid chip - it's more accurate
technically to say that sids and sid players are not so much a music
format as an emulation format for a sound chip.

But if you manage to find anything interesting, I'd appreciate hearing
about it!

Regards,
- -Dale

Cameron Frazier wrote:
 After wading through the noise unsuccessfully on google, could anyone
 point me towards some means of getting the track information from a
 .sid file?
 
 Kind regards,
 
 Cameron 'Toaster`' Frazier
 
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Re: It Ain't funny [Was: Ain't it funny..]

2009-05-11 Thread Dale Maggee
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Now you're just trying to confuse me... ;)

...I haven't received any reply to my off-list email yet... I presume
you're looking into it?


Steve Mosher wrote:
 Best of all is to avoid hyperbolic claims of totalitarian behavior all 
 together, since the claim, if true,
 will never see the light of pixels, and if false, is self refuting.
 
 That's my rhetorical observation for the day.
 
 
 Dale Maggee wrote:
 Shawn Rutledge wrote:
   
 On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 9:12 AM, Dale Maggee anti...@internode.on.net 
 wrote:
 
 Generally when I hear the word nazi used, it means totalitarian, not
 monster or mass murderer - think of the soup nazi in Seinfeld.
 That's what I meant. Not the other. *At All*. Sorry.
   
 That just goes to show the meaning has gotten diluted from overuse, 
 doesn't it.

 
 Absolutely, to the point that I wasn't even aware that there were other
 meanings you could read into it, and that's why I felt like such a dick
 once I had this pointed out to me.
 
 Like I said, I learned something, and as a consequence I'll need to find
 myself a new metaphor for totalitarian...

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Re: It Ain't funny [Was: Ain't it funny..]

2009-05-09 Thread Dale Maggee
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Shawn Rutledge wrote:
 On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 9:12 AM, Dale Maggee anti...@internode.on.net wrote:
 Generally when I hear the word nazi used, it means totalitarian, not
 monster or mass murderer - think of the soup nazi in Seinfeld.
 That's what I meant. Not the other. *At All*. Sorry.
 
 That just goes to show the meaning has gotten diluted from overuse, doesn't 
 it.
 

Absolutely, to the point that I wasn't even aware that there were other
meanings you could read into it, and that's why I felt like such a dick
once I had this pointed out to me.

Like I said, I learned something, and as a consequence I'll need to find
myself a new metaphor for totalitarian...
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Re: Ain't it funny..

2009-05-09 Thread Dale Maggee
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For the Conspiracy Theorists out there: Steve and I are discussing this
off-list.

For everybody else: This list will now be free of my vitriol while Steve
and I talk. Enjoy.


Steve Mosher wrote:
 Dale Maggee wrote:
 Hi Steve,
 
 I appreciate your replying to this thread.
 
 I would however point out that I believe that you should have already
 been aware of this issue before I raised it in this public mailing list:
 I sent three emails to Openmoko asking about getting a refund, and
 received no reply to any of them. I've pasted these emails below, after
 the ---BEGIN EMAIL THREAD--- Line. You were cc'd in two of these
 emails (the ones saying I've had no reply). I eventually got a
 response from Tony Tu on the trac ticket, at which point I stopped
 sending emails to you.
   
   Dale, as you can well imagine since I receive mail every single time a
 FR is ordered,
   since I receive mail every time we get a request for a return, since I
 receive mail from
   the community list and the developer list and since I received mail
 from  cont...@openmoko
   univers...@openmoko.. oh heck every public mail we have plus I have my
 email on every
   press release, you can well imagine that I might have forgotten your
 name. But I didn't.
   Two people handled the RMAs on product purchased from OM store. And
 with Tony on the
   job I just assumed it would handled. I've been informed that we dont
 have a record a record
   of you purchasing the phone from us. That probably explains why Tony
 could not process
   the return.
 As I've indicated, I've already gone through the process of requesting a
 refund for the device, and this was declined. I think you should be able
 to find all the info you need at
 https://support.openmoko.com/trac/ticket/36
   
  Yes. As I stated above we have no record of you purchaing the phone at
 our store: openmoko.com
  If you purchased it elsewhere please let me know. All of the guys here
 who have dealt with me will
  tell you that I'm a fair and reasonable person.
 I think that if you want to discuss the refund issue with me, it may be
 more appropriate to do so off-list, but I realise that I may have
 created a public image issue for you here (given my usage of the words
 thieves and defrauded), and that you may therefore want to keep this
 public. If you're willing to work with me to resolve my grievances and
 prove my assertions incorrect, then I'd be more than happy to come back
 here and retract my previous statements once it's resolved :).  That
 might be more appropriate, rather than flooding the mailing list with
 what will effectively be back-and-forth personal conversations between
 you and me. but if you want to discuss it in this public place I have no
 problem with that either - up to you.
   
 Makes no difference to me. If I handled this privately I'm sure some
 lunatic down the road
 who slam me for taking it private and launch into yact, yet another
 conspiracy theory.
 You put your return request into the RMA process for the Openmoko
 store.  For
 that process to work  we have to be able to find you in the database.
 So, if you could
 verify that you did in fact purchase the phone from that store ( the sn
 and imei would
 help) Then I can do two things:
   1. Figure out how the heck the system didnt capture your information
   2. Process your return.
 
 WRT your language. If I took offense, then I'd be a thief. ( that's a
 joke.. took a fence)
 Seriously, I'm no person to lecture people about having a colorful way
 of expressing
 anger. I'll just say that some weapons have more collateral damage then
 others.  And
 sometimes you can frag yourself, intentionally or otherwise, if you
 don't get clear of the blast zone.
 Since having my application for a refund declined, I had come to kind of
 accept that I had been screwed, and I have since bought another phone.
 Since I did that, I've (in my less angry moments) come to see the FR as
 a kind-of-cool little open-source device, as long as you don't want to
 use it as a phone. I haven't really done anything much with it, because
 so far I've been too angry to really even look at it, but I will admit
 that it does have potential for something, even if it's not as a
 reliable phone.
   
  I'll check from my side but did they give you a reason for being declined.
 (That's my whole point, by the way: That it's not a usable phone, even
 after a year of waiting, and I bought it because I wanted a working open
 source phone, and I was told that the FR would meet that requirement).
 
 I would therefore perhaps be open to accepting a partial refund and
 keeping the device as a PDA-sized linux device (The AU Laws allow for
 that), even if I never use it. But I think that if this were to happen I
  would maybe not feel cheated anymore and could possibly once again
 enjoy participating constructively in the community.
   
 Let's see what turns up  when I get the ID numbers I requested

Re: Ain't it funny..

2009-05-08 Thread Dale Maggee
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arne anka wrote:
 Guten Tag, Sieg Heil.
 ...
 beautiful and intelligent people in the world, and your country reflects
 that... :) )
 
 wow.
 insulting and slimy at once!
 

I'd just like to say thanks for addressing the points I make in such a
calm and rational manner.

If you were capable of being rational, you would have realised that I
was referencing a totalitarian state, not a race, and then clarifying
that I am not attempting to insult a race of people and that it's
unfortunate that using your particular language happens to be a very
effective way to express that. I do genuinely feel an affinity to your
people, culture, and country.

If you think that my being honest is being insulting and slimy, then
whatever. I have already recieved one off-list email from a
deutschlander who understood exactly what I was trying to say, so that
indicates further to me that you're just being a fanboy and not thinking
independently or even weighing my arguments - you see my posts, your
mind closes, and you say troll like a reflex. And that's sad.

If you would like to suggest a more appropriate way for me to have
expressed what I wanted to, I would very much like to hear it. Note
however that the sarcasm used in the greeting is important to my style,
so any suggestion you might make would have to retain that. Also it
would want to be short and effective.

Alternatively, you're welcome to address the issues I'm raising. Or you
could set up an email filter and consequently STFU. All are acceptable
to me - I'm in favour of free speech. But true free speech requires
rational dialogue, and I'm not seeing any rational dialogue from you.

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Re: Ain't it funny..

2009-05-08 Thread Dale Maggee
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arne anka wrote:
 Bitter much? : )
 nope. he's just a troll.

 Before I bought My Neo, I was told by OM that it would work as a phone.
 
 dale, you told us all of this already -- at least ten times.

Sources? I don't think it has been ten. and I've certainly not said
*all* this before.

 you put up your freerunner for sale at ebay months ago.

I don't remember ever saying that. I may have said that I was *thinking*
about it. Again, please cite sources.

 you don't write anything productive on this list.

It's productive for people who might be thinking of buying a FR.

 why don't you just shut up?

Why don't you just set up an email filter?

 unsubscribe from this list -- you don't use the fr, you don't contribute 
 to either community or development.
 the only thing you do on this list is trolling.

See my previous email - I've already addressed these assertions. come up
with something new.

 
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Re: Ain't it funny..

2009-05-08 Thread Dale Maggee
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Thank you very much for a rational contribution to this thread, Franky.

Franky Van Liedekerke wrote:
 On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 10:44 AM, arne anka openm...@ginguppin.de wrote:
 Bitter much? : )
 nope. he's just a troll.

 Before I bought My Neo, I was told by OM that it would work as a phone.
 dale, you told us all of this already -- at least ten times.
 you put up your freerunner for sale at ebay months ago.
 you don't write anything productive on this list.

 why don't you just shut up?
 unsubscribe from this list -- you don't use the fr, you don't contribute
 to either community or development.
 the only thing you do on this list is trolling.
 
 Hmmm ... I do contribute and I do use my freerunner (sometimes, mostly
 for testing only). So I want to react for once as well:
 
 You see, in the end, Dale's not that wrong: a year after I bought the
 phone, I would at least expect a stable simple phone (I couldn't care
 less about the extras), but as a company, Openmoko didn't provide
 this. Therefore community releases were born, but they shouldn't be
 necessary, only additional (or as an alternative). In the freerunner
 case, only the community provides software for the phone.
 A year later, I have to admit, I sometimes think about selling my
 phone as well. I'm still using my old phone as stable phone, simply
 because I don't want to recharge each day or reboot my phone every now
 and then because unsuspend fails again, or wsod, or risk having my
 phone not waking up on incoming calls, etc ...
 QtExtendedImproved is as close as it gets for me ... Koolu promised
 many times a stable android release, but there also: no release,
 months after original promise (I mean, really: low priority for the
 feature 'entering your sim PIN' ???).
 Sometimes people have to face the facts as well. I *love* opensource,
 I don't even own a windows pc, look up my name in google if you want
 proof. I've worked hard for this phone in the last months, but is it
 really worth it? What will I do if the phone breaks? Dunno yet ...
 Every project, even an open project, totally in the opensource hands,
 can fail ...
 
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Re: Ain't it funny..

2009-05-08 Thread Dale Maggee
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arne anka wrote:
 so, how is a globally true statement of fit to be used as ...
 possible?
 it might be true for _you_, but it isn't for _me_ -- so please, always be  
 aware that those statemants express only _your_ point of view, not an  
 objective truth.

According to Australian Laws, the customer's point of view is what
matters. That's me. Hence they're breaching Australian consumer
protection Laws by refusing to refund my money.

I invite you to read the following for a good explanation of the
Australian Laws, if you'd like more specific info:

http://www.consumer.vic.gov.au/CA256902000FE154/Lookup/CAV_Publications_Business_Information/$file/A4%20Refund%20Law%20Brochure.pdf#xml=http://search.justice.vic.gov.au/isysquery/irl5ab6/3/hilite

If you think that my bringing the truth out into the open, or that my
attempting to stand up for my rights is trolling, then I think that
your opinions are very strange, given that the Open Source philosophy is
really all about freedom, equality, and rights. I would once again
Invite you to set up an email filter :)
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Re: Ain't it funny..

2009-05-08 Thread Dale Maggee
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Hi Steve,

I appreciate your replying to this thread.

I would however point out that I believe that you should have already
been aware of this issue before I raised it in this public mailing list:
I sent three emails to Openmoko asking about getting a refund, and
received no reply to any of them. I've pasted these emails below, after
the ---BEGIN EMAIL THREAD--- Line. You were cc'd in two of these
emails (the ones saying I've had no reply). I eventually got a
response from Tony Tu on the trac ticket, at which point I stopped
sending emails to you.

As I've indicated, I've already gone through the process of requesting a
refund for the device, and this was declined. I think you should be able
to find all the info you need at https://support.openmoko.com/trac/ticket/36

I think that if you want to discuss the refund issue with me, it may be
more appropriate to do so off-list, but I realise that I may have
created a public image issue for you here (given my usage of the words
thieves and defrauded), and that you may therefore want to keep this
public. If you're willing to work with me to resolve my grievances and
prove my assertions incorrect, then I'd be more than happy to come back
here and retract my previous statements once it's resolved :).  That
might be more appropriate, rather than flooding the mailing list with
what will effectively be back-and-forth personal conversations between
you and me. but if you want to discuss it in this public place I have no
problem with that either - up to you.

Since having my application for a refund declined, I had come to kind of
accept that I had been screwed, and I have since bought another phone.
Since I did that, I've (in my less angry moments) come to see the FR as
a kind-of-cool little open-source device, as long as you don't want to
use it as a phone. I haven't really done anything much with it, because
so far I've been too angry to really even look at it, but I will admit
that it does have potential for something, even if it's not as a
reliable phone.

(That's my whole point, by the way: That it's not a usable phone, even
after a year of waiting, and I bought it because I wanted a working open
source phone, and I was told that the FR would meet that requirement).

I would therefore perhaps be open to accepting a partial refund and
keeping the device as a PDA-sized linux device (The AU Laws allow for
that), even if I never use it. But I think that if this were to happen I
 would maybe not feel cheated anymore and could possibly once again
enjoy participating constructively in the community.

I Look forward to hearing from you.

Regards,
- -Dale

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Subject: [Fwd: [Fwd: FreeRunner]]
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 20:19:34 +1100
From: Dale Maggee anti...@internode.on.net
To: cont...@openmoko.com,  s...@openmoko.com,  st...@openmoko.com

Having received absolutely no response whatsoever after more than a
week, even after opening a refund ticker in trac (#36), I resend my
email once again...

-  Original Message 
Subject: [Fwd: FreeRunner]
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 10:25:12 +1100
From: Dale Maggee anti...@internode.on.net
To: cont...@openmoko.com
CC: s...@openmoko.com,  mic...@openmoko.org,  st...@openmoko.com

Having received no response whatsoever to my previous email, I'll send
it again, and add a few more addresses. Hopefully I'll get a reply this
time. Please see below.

Regards,
- -Dale

-  Original Message 
Subject: FreeRunner
Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 16:35:41 +1100
From: Dale Maggee anti...@internode.on.net
To: cont...@openmoko.com

Hi,

Please advise what is the process for getting my money back for my Neo
Freerunner.

Before I purchased this device almost a year ago, I was told that it
could reliably make and recieve phone calls, as per Steve's email below.
This is not, nor has it ever been the case - The device has *never*
reliably made or recieved phone calls, it's overall stability is
completely sub-par, and the ASU software stack mentioned turned out to
be even less reliable and also slower than the original 2007.2 software
stack.

I have listened to Openmoko's promises regarding solving the issues, and
these promises have not been met, repeatedly. In addition to this, as
far as I can see, Openmoko's emphasis does not appear to be on stability
or being able to use the device reliably as a phone, you seem to be more
interested in building new frameworks from the ground up than actually
making the device do what I bought it to do. While I'll agree that FSO
may *one day* provide a usefull framework, it is presently far away from
this goal (*still* no PIM!).

In addition, a working phone that could be used as an everyday phone
has a suspend mode, will happily go for more than 4-6 hours without
being attached to a battery charger, and will actually wake up from
suspend mode when appropriate (i.e if somebody calls). Thus this device
does not do what you have told me

It Ain't funny [Was: Ain't it funny..]

2009-05-08 Thread Dale Maggee
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Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote:
 On Fri, May 08, 2009 at 03:34:40PM +0200, Marcel wrote:
 I'm sorry to contradict you (am I really?), but using Nazi slogans in such 
 
 I call for the rule of Godwin's Law!
 
 Rui
 

I had never heard of Godwin's Law until now! :O

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law

I was sitting here puzzling over Marcel's comment, which I didn't
understand:

using this... deprecated language doesn't make me feel you really know
what you're referencing there.

This had me confused - I knew exactly what I meant! Totalitarian. I
was trying to figure out what he was saying, and/or politely say I
don't understand what you mean...

then I read this:

I wanted folks who glibly compared someone else to Hitler or to Nazis
to think a bit harder about the Holocaust

and I said to myself: Oh, shit...

I have been very ignorant, and now realise that I have said something
very inappropriate. And I humbly and sincerely apologise for that.

I feel pretty bad about this, especially the part where I couldn't
figure out what Marcel was trying to say. Now I understand. and I feel
like a complete dick. Sorry.

Generally when I hear the word nazi used, it means totalitarian, not
monster or mass murderer - think of the soup nazi in Seinfeld.
That's what I meant. Not the other. *At All*. Sorry.

The wiki page also says:

when an adversary uses an inappropriate Hitler or Nazi comparison, you
have only to say 'Godwin's Law' and a trapdoor falls open, plunging your
rival into a pool of hungry crocodiles.

Oh Noes, not crocodiles! The wiki page fails to mention any possible
exclusion from this horrible fate for cases of extreme ignorance
followed by sincere repentance... is there any such exclusion, or are
the crocs already gnawing at my stupid ass?

Seriously, please accept my apologies for this. I have learned something
today. Thank you for enlightening me.

- -Dale
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Re: Ain't it funny..

2009-05-08 Thread Dale Maggee
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Marcel wrote:
 Am Freitag, 8. Mai 2009 14:43:16 schrieb Dale Maggee:
 arne anka wrote:
 Guten Tag, Sieg Heil.
 ...
 beautiful and intelligent people in the world, and your country
 reflects that... :) )
 wow.
 insulting and slimy at once!
 I'd just like to say thanks for addressing the points I make in such a
 calm and rational manner.

 If you were capable of being rational, you would have realised that I
 was referencing a totalitarian state, not a race, and then clarifying
 that I am not attempting to insult a race of people and that it's
 unfortunate that using your particular language happens to be a very
 effective way to express that. I do genuinely feel an affinity to your
 people, culture, and country.

 If you think that my being honest is being insulting and slimy, then
 whatever. I have already recieved one off-list email from a
 deutschlander who understood exactly what I was trying to say, so that
 indicates further to me that you're just being a fanboy and not
 thinking independently or even weighing my arguments - you see my
 posts, your mind closes, and you say troll like a reflex. And that's
 sad.

 If you would like to suggest a more appropriate way for me to have
 expressed what I wanted to, I would very much like to hear it. Note
 however that the sarcasm used in the greeting is important to my style,
 so any suggestion you might make would have to retain that. Also it
 would want to be short and effective.

 Alternatively, you're welcome to address the issues I'm raising. Or you
 could set up an email filter and consequently STFU. All are acceptable
 to me - I'm in favour of free speech. But true free speech requires
 rational dialogue, and I'm not seeing any rational dialogue from you.
 
 Dale,
 
 I'm sorry to contradict you (am I really?), but using Nazi slogans in such 
 an affair is completely inappropriate. You may like our country as much as 
 you want, still using this... deprecated language doesn't make me feel you 
 really know what you're referencing there. There are WAY better examples 
 for freedom of speech. This is no more rationale than you may think the 
 other's contributions to be.
 
 Yours sincerely,
 
 Marcel
 

Marcel,

 I'm sorry to contradict you (am I really?)

You shouldn't be. I was wrong, and said something inappropriate through
ignorance. Contradicting me is perfectly fine when I'm wrong - I'll
learn from it! :)

 using this... deprecated language doesn't make me feel you
 really know what you're referencing there.

Exactly. I had no Idea. I had meant one thing, and completely failed to
realise that I was also implying something far, far worse.

Please accept my apologies. I would also ask you to read my response to
Rui's message.

Kind Regards,
- -Dale
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Re: Ain't it funny..

2009-05-08 Thread Dale Maggee
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Get your facts straight...

 he doesn't use an fr 

No, I don't use one, but I own one. That's the whole problem: I had to
buy another phone, just to have a phone.

 and he does in no way contribute 

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/NeoTool

 -- what do you call  
 someone who lurks on a list he is in no way affiliated to

Dunno. But that doesn't describe me.

 and posts repeatedly meanings consisting of only your point of interest is 
 crap,  
 everything you are talking about is crap and if you don't share my point  
 of view you are idiots and nazis?

This is what Christoph is talking about with his scientology reference -
my emails are saying things that are not favorable to OM, and you
therefore dismiss them without even really reading them. My emails
contain significant points which you have entirely failed to address.
Instead you focus on my tone, call me a troll, and tell me to shut up
and go away.

To me it sounds like you're not interested in freedom of speech.
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Re: Ain't it funny..

2009-05-08 Thread Dale Maggee
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Christoph Pulster wrote:
 IMO most misunderstandings happen because marketing of the Freerunner  
 was focused on mobile phone. So customers expect a mobile phone to use  
 as a mobile phone. However Freerunner is a multi-purpose developement  
 plattform with GSM functionality among many other functionalities.

Exactly.
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Re: Ain't it funny..

2009-05-07 Thread Dale Maggee
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arne anka wrote:
 Bitter much? : )
 
 nope. he's just a troll.
 

Before I bought My Neo, I was told by OM that it would work as a phone.

Once I got it and said WTF This doesn't work as a phone! I was told by
OM that 2008.8 would. So I waited.

It was worse than 2007.2. I was told  that 2008.12 would be much better.
So I waited.

Was there even any difference? Sure, the animations might have been a
bit smoother, or something, but it still didn't work as a phone.

When I asked for my money back I was told that it had been too long
since I placed my order... despite the fact that the only reason I
waited so long was that I trusted OM when they said that I would
eventually get a working phone.


I contacted Consumer Affairs here in AU. They told me that OM were
legally bound by our laws (which include a clause giving me the right to
demand a refund if the item doesn't do what I was led to believe it
would do). They told me that according to the letter of the law, OM were
required to give me a refund. They also told me that since they're based
overseas, there's basically no way to enforce it.

In short: OM Have Lied to me, then violated the consumer protection laws
they're bound to by selling a Neo to an Australian Citizen by refusing
to refund my money. That means that *OpenMoko Are THIEVES*.

Anything I say about them is justified. IMO you can't be a troll if
you're in the right. And I am. I have been defrauded of $400. And so
have you. The only difference is that I'm not willing to sit around
pretending that being raped is all fun and games.

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Re: Ain't it funny..

2009-05-07 Thread Dale Maggee
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Guten Tag, Sieg Heil.

Seriously... You may not have heard of it, but There's a concept that's
been around for a while called Free speech... you know, as opposed to
free beer.

Goebbels was in favour of free speech for views he liked. So was
Stalin. If you're really in favour of free speech, then you're in favour
of freedom of speech for precisely for views you despise. Otherwise,
you're not in favour of free speech. - Noam Chomsky

I am contributing - contributing to Free Speech, and I'm doing my part
to warn prospective customers against giving their money to thieves.

If you're not in favour of free speech then I have two words for you:
Email filter. But I'm not going anywhere.


(Note: I know there are quite a few deutschlanders on this list, and my
use of your language is not intended in any way as a slight against your
people or country. On the contrary, I think that you're among the most
beautiful and intelligent people in the world, and your country reflects
that... :) )


jeremy jozwik wrote:
 seriously... go write the prime minister or something. if your not
 going to contribute your just wasting everyone else's time
 
 On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 5:04 PM, Dale Maggee anti...@internode.on.net wrote:
 arne anka wrote:
 Bitter much? : )
 nope. he's just a troll.

 Before I bought My Neo, I was told by OM that it would work as a phone.
 
 Once I got it and said WTF This doesn't work as a phone! I was told by
 OM that 2008.8 would. So I waited.
 
 It was worse than 2007.2. I was told  that 2008.12 would be much better.
 So I waited.
 
 Was there even any difference? Sure, the animations might have been a
 bit smoother, or something, but it still didn't work as a phone.
 
 When I asked for my money back I was told that it had been too long
 since I placed my order... despite the fact that the only reason I
 waited so long was that I trusted OM when they said that I would
 eventually get a working phone.
 
 
 I contacted Consumer Affairs here in AU. They told me that OM were
 legally bound by our laws (which include a clause giving me the right to
 demand a refund if the item doesn't do what I was led to believe it
 would do). They told me that according to the letter of the law, OM were
 required to give me a refund. They also told me that since they're based
 overseas, there's basically no way to enforce it.
 
 In short: OM Have Lied to me, then violated the consumer protection laws
 they're bound to by selling a Neo to an Australian Citizen by refusing
 to refund my money. That means that *OpenMoko Are THIEVES*.
 
 Anything I say about them is justified. IMO you can't be a troll if
 you're in the right. And I am. I have been defrauded of $400. And so
 have you. The only difference is that I'm not willing to sit around
 pretending that being raped is all fun and games.
 

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Re: OpenMoko and LCD TV

2009-05-06 Thread Dale Maggee
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...An OM Device which doesn't comply with EMI Standards? :O

hands up if you're suprised.

hands go behind back

Sam Kuper wrote:
 2009/5/5 Marcel tan...@googlemail.com
 
 Am Dienstag, 5. Mai 2009 18:38:42 schrieb Mile Davidovic:
 Yesterday I accidentally put my OM phone near LCD TV (Samsung).

 SW on OM is QT Extended and when I press power button (to wake up
 mobile) TV immediately turn off.

 I tried again and TV changed channel. So, on my phone this behavioure
 is repeatable.
 If the neo had an infrared led I'd have guessed it sends some random
 signal, but since it does not... Voodoo... °_°
 Seriously: Electromagnetic fields? GSM? I really have to try that with my
 TV...
 
 
 There are various standards that define the kinds/amount of EMI that an
 electrical device must: (1) be able to cope with, and/or (2) not produce in
 excess of.
 
 It sounds like either your OM or your TV might not be fully compliant.
 
 Sam
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: Ain't it funny..

2009-05-06 Thread Dale Maggee
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Risto H. Kurppa wrote:
 The community work seems to be slowing down now (because of the
 summer?) 

My guess would be that a whole lot of people have realised that their
$400 Neo is better used as a boat anchor, and put them on ebay. or in
the microwave.

 OM2009 testing 2 was released some days ago. So far ~3 e-mails on the
 list about it.
 New version of Mokomaze was released some days ago, too. Around 50 mails.
 To me this tells that people are more interested in Mokomaze than OM2009.

Agreed - more people are interested in mokomaze, because they know what
kind of godawful crap to expect from OM and are avoiding it like swine
flu... which is strangely poetic IMHO (the metaphor of Neo as Swine
Flu, that is).

I'm starting to think that OM's real goal has always been to *not*
produce a working distro, in the hopes that some genius would come along
and do it for them. At which point they could say we don't need to make
it work, Guy X has given us the excellent Distro Y...

I mean, look at it from the company's perspective: They already have
your money, and they know that they're totally mismanaged and will die
out before producing another device. Also they're a dodgy Taiwanese
company which makes them very difficult to prosecute under the consumer
protection laws of less dodgy countries (even though they are
technically legally bound by those laws), so what's in it for them to
produce working software?


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Re: Ain't it funny..

2009-05-06 Thread Dale Maggee
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Hehe, what gave you that idea? ;)

Yogiz wrote:
 Bitter much? : )
 
 On Wed, 06 May 2009 18:09:35 +1000
 Dale Maggee anti...@internode.on.net wrote:
 
 Risto H. Kurppa wrote:
 The community work seems to be slowing down now (because of the
 summer?) 
 My guess would be that a whole lot of people have realised that their
 $400 Neo is better used as a boat anchor, and put them on ebay. or in
 the microwave.
 
 OM2009 testing 2 was released some days ago. So far ~3 e-mails on
 the list about it.
 New version of Mokomaze was released some days ago, too. Around 50
 mails. To me this tells that people are more interested in Mokomaze
 than OM2009.
 Agreed - more people are interested in mokomaze, because they know
 what kind of godawful crap to expect from OM and are avoiding it like
 swine flu... which is strangely poetic IMHO (the metaphor of Neo as
 Swine Flu, that is).
 
 I'm starting to think that OM's real goal has always been to *not*
 produce a working distro, in the hopes that some genius would come
 along and do it for them. At which point they could say we don't
 need to make it work, Guy X has given us the excellent Distro Y...
 
 I mean, look at it from the company's perspective: They already have
 your money, and they know that they're totally mismanaged and will die
 out before producing another device. Also they're a dodgy Taiwanese
 company which makes them very difficult to prosecute under the
 consumer protection laws of less dodgy countries (even though they are
 technically legally bound by those laws), so what's in it for them to
 produce working software?
 
 

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Re: backing up rootfs fails - after 40m FreeRunner continues booting

2009-04-25 Thread Dale Maggee
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Joerg Reisenweber wrote:
 
 Huh, neotool avoids dfu-util?
 less +/dfu-util `which NeoTool`
 
 /j
 

neotool's *rootfs backup* avoids dfu-util.
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Re: OpenMoko newbie questions

2009-04-23 Thread Dale Maggee
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 I have a few questions on OpenMoko phones. I am planning to buy one.
 1. Which is the default OS that comes in OpenMoko: OM 2007 ?

2007.2

 2. Do you use the default OS or have you flashed soe other OS of your own?

Well, 2007.2, despite being the most stable thing Openmoko has
delivered, is unsupported and quite buggy - seems that stability wasn't
something that they were aiming for. So nobody uses it anymore.

 3. Which OS is known for booting faster than others. I use Debian on
 my laptop and I would want to know how good Debian is for Freerunner?
 Does it boot fast enough?

Fast? Openmoko?

I think you have this device confused with one that doesn't suck big fat
hairy donkey balls.

 4. Is multi-touch in neo freerunner not availabe because the hardware
 doesn't support it or is it because the software doesn't support it?

The hardware doesn't support it. Or much of anything for that matter.

 5. In the OpenMoko Neo Freerunner order page I have two options relevant to 
 me.
 
 Now, I don't know which one I should be going for. I am from  India
 and we use GSM sim cards here. I use Vodafone SIM card. So which is
 the one I should be buying?

You should go for one that doesn't involve giving Openmoko your money.
For example, I just bought a blackberry, and it's great!

If you buy an Openmoko device, you're buying dead hardware with godawful
software from a dishonest company. Avoid.

Regards,

- - A Happy User.
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Re: letter of recomendation

2009-04-23 Thread Dale Maggee
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Adam Jimerson wrote:
 On Thursday 23 April 2009 03:42:52 am Ali wrote:
 On Thu, 2009-04-23 at 10:29 +0300, Risto H. Kurppa wrote:
 ...

 Hmm.. suppose this was not planned to be posted to community mailing
 list..?

 r
 Did you stop to think that maybe this was a coded message for
 terrorists? Just sayin.

 
 No according to this 
 http://www.adequacy.org/stories/2001.12.2.42056.2147.html 
 they use Quake for that XD
 

*PLEASE* Tell me that article is a joke... Please?

It's absolutely hilarious... *IF* it's a joke... if it's not a joke,
it's absolutely terrifying...


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Re: backing up rootfs fails - after 40m FreeRunner continues booting

2009-04-21 Thread Dale Maggee
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Hi,

To backup your rootfs with NeoTool:

* Make sure you have a working image on your Neo. By 'Working', I mean
it should boot into the GUI, and networking should work - you should be
able to ssh into your neo. NeoTool is supposed to be pretty much idiot
proof, so it should tell you if this isn't the case.

* Boot your Neo all the way into the gui. (NeoTool's rootfs backup needs
to use SSH, so your Neo should be completely booted, not at the boot menu)

* Run NeoTool, choose backup, select 'Root Filesystem' when it prompts
for what to backup, and choose 'Go!'.

* you may be told that you don't have mkfs-jffs2 installed. If this
happens, ssh into your neo and opkg install mkfs-jffs2

* the backup will take a while (maybe 20-30mins?). If you chose the
default backup method (jffs2), the file it produces will be flashable
using dfu-util or NeoTool.

HTH,
- -Dale

Bram Mertens wrote:
 On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 9:39 PM, Cameron Frazier
 frazier.came...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 2:51 PM, Bram Mertens mertensb.ma...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 8:12 PM, Cameron Frazier
 frazier.came...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 2:03 PM, Bram Mertens mertensb.ma...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 snip

 Have you tried using NeoTool [1]?  It's always worked quite well for
 me, and the backing up process avoids dfu-util.

 [1] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/NeoTool
 I have tried to use it before when I initially went to pick up the
 device but never succeeded, probably because we were using the wrong
 files.

 And the instructions seemed clear enough to use the command line utility.

 The current problems/questions would have arisen with NeoTool anyway,
 looks like I made a mistake when rebooting the device.

 So when you have flashed the U-Boot with NeoTool, how do you proceed?
 Unplug it first, power down, then boot again or use the boot menu to
 reboot?  And did you boot the device normally or immediately into NOR
 or NAND?

 The display still shows the openmoko logo, guess I'll have to hard
 reset it though I hope that won't break anything...

 I've always just:

 - flashed
 - powered down, which the FR seems to do on it's own once u-boot times out
 - unplug the usb, as I've found that leaving it in will cause hangs
 similar to what your seeing
  (oddly I don't have this issue with the AC adapter)
 - turn on pre normal procedure (power button for 8-10 sec)

 I use NeoTool most times since I like the backup method (having had
 numerous problems with dfu-util backups) and it helps to ensure I'm
 not throwing improper commands when I flash.  I have little faith in
 the user on my end.
 
 Thanks,
 
 I pulled the battery and booted into NOR, it still shows:
 U-Boot 1.3.2-moko12 (May 09 2008 - 10:28:48)
 select reboot from menu - FDOM boots.
 Shut down device to NAND boot menu.
 NAND boot menu shows: pr 19 2009 -
 19:10:05)520a22715fe7ff069b36b7dfdbb925a8e5a (A
 
 So it looks like NAND U-Boot was updated but NOR hasn't.  However
 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Backup#Backing-up_flash_images
 specifically states that you need to be in NOR U-Boot before
 flashing/backing up.
 
 After reading http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_NOR I get the
 impression that flashing NOR is not really recommended compared to
 flashing NAND.
 
 I'll try with NeoTool since even with the new U-Boot a backup fails
 after 38minutes (while booted to NAND).
 
 Regards
 
 Bram
 
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Re: [QtExtended] some things

2009-03-18 Thread Dale Maggee
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I also note that Lorn's been completely silent for the past 24 hours.

I wonder if this is because he's (finally!) realised that he's been
digging a hole for himself, or if it's just because he got pwned once
again... Or perhaps he took my advice (yeah, right!) and spoke to his
boss about it, and his boss said ARE YOU *INSANE*?!?!? HOW COULD YOU
POST THAT FROM YOUR TROLLTECH ADDRESS?!?!?!?!
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Re: [QtExtended] some things

2009-03-17 Thread Dale Maggee
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Franky,

As I said to others, If you don't want to read it, filter out this thread.

Personal insults are completely valid and infact necessary when someone
provokes me by lying to me and/or being an idiot.

Personal attacks are appropriate and warranted in a public forum in this
case, because Lorn is trying to spread mistruth in said public forum,
and refuses to even discuss the issues, hence he should be shouted out
of it.

Which is what I'll be doing from now on - any message sent by Lorn to
this mailing list from now on will receive a reply indicating that Lorn
is a liar and not to be trusted, with links to evidence of him lying.

Interestingly enough, this isn't the first time Lorn has been called out
for publicly lying:

http://zecke.blogspot.com/2007/07/lovely-respond-to-lorn-potter-of.html

Feel free to start with some personal attacks of your own now... ;)

Franky Van Liedekerke wrote:
 sorry, but this is way over the top ... personal insults don't belong to a
 public mailing list. Please stop this, Dale.

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Re: [QtExtended] some things

2009-03-17 Thread Dale Maggee
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Well, personally, I'd recommend you do it by the email subject rather
than sender - there's a chance I might say something useful to you in
another conversation...

...Lorn won't, though, cuz he's a liar - filtering out by his email
address is probably a wise move.



Russell Steicke wrote:
 On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 04:15:53PM +0900, Russell Steicke wrote:
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 Oops...
 
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 * ^From: (Dale Maggee|Lorn Potter)
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Re: [QtExtended] some things

2009-03-17 Thread Dale Maggee
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roguem...@roguewrt.org wrote:
 Dale Maggee wrote:
 This discussion *is* actually leading somewhere, though: Lorn is
 digging a deeper and deeper hole for himself.
 
 And I'm amazed he hasn't just given up and said something like OK, 
 you're right but I'm not going to do anything about it.
 If not only for appearances! To debates someone's opinion, especially 
 when you _know_ their position is firm, is just ludicrous and even more 
 so when the case put forward is completely valid.

Yeah, it's kinda scary. If Lorn had simply acknowledged the issue as
valid, this debate would have been over at least 24 hours and 100,000
words ago. Instead, He's managed to initiate a flame war.

But then, I don't know if he knows that my position is valid, really - I
don't think he's actually reading my emails. If he was, surely by now he
would have just run the experiment I asked and reported the times...
surely that's easier than consistently ignoring a question I have
directly asked five times now... but no. As far as I'm concerned there
are two possible reasons for this: He's either not really reading my
emails, or he's trying to provoke me. If he's out to provoke me, then
mission accomplished. This is not something I would choose to do from my
work email address, though.

 Besides contributing to a conversation no company in their right mind 
 would approve of.

Yeah. Sending that kind of crap from his company address, and signing it
with a company signature is really scary - is he providing Trolltech /
Nokia's official position with regards to this? he is their official
representative on this mailing list...

Coincidentally enough, minutes after I finished typing up my complaint
to Nokia yesterday, I saw a slashdot article come up on my RSS reader:
Nokia to slash 1700 jobs...

 Speaking of which, you mustn't work for Hutchison ... or you would have 
 run into plenty of Lorns by now :).

Nope. I don't usually run into these guys that often, perhaps they hear
me coming and scatter like the cockroaches they are.

When I do run into them, I tend to just bulldoze over them by
demonstrating their incompetence. Which is what it boils down to, really
- - Lorn is obviously incompetent to do the job he's doing, or pretending
to do. People like these don't deserve employment, certainly not in a
technical field. As far as I'm concerned, Lorn isn't even qualified to
serve me burgers at McDonalds - you need to provide a public face for
that too.

- -Dale
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Re: [QtExtended] some things

2009-03-16 Thread Dale Maggee
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W.Kenworthy wrote:
 Sounds even worse than shr/2008x/FSO then - why oh why cant some of the
 time spent on keyboards for any OM version be put into something that
 works.

Oh, it's ass-and-a-half-of-full-cream-dairy-milk... ;)

Yeah, I can't fathom how something so simple could be fucked up so
completely, repeatedly... makes you wonder what the hell is going on in
less-visible areas, Although given the travesty that is 2008.x, nothing
would suprise me really.

 
 Never been able to run qt - always tried it on the SD card, which in
 hindsight, needed a slow clock.  Wasn't game to flash it as I needed a
 phone and if it didnt work on SD ...

I've never tried it on the SD card, only flashed it. Works *okay* most
of the time. All the software in 2008.x is simply the QTe software
hacked to run on X, basically what you get with QTe is kind of like a
version of 2008.x which isn't a total abomination - it's actually
somewhat responsive - pressing 'answer' actually answers the call,
rather than initiating a 10 second preparing to think about acting on
your keypress period. With QTe, at Idle, your CPU usage isn't sitting
at 20%! :O

Think of 2008.x as the bastard, horribly mutated and deformed offspring
of QT Extended and some deranged genetic scientist.

It also has it's bugs though:

* you need to reboot at least once a day or it'll just stop working,
period. (A call will come in, and you'll press 'answer' 300 times, and
nothing will happen. Eventually you'll just pull the battery and call
whoever was trying to call you).

* Also, as mentioned, typing an SMS (especially a long one) is a bit of
a joke, particularly if you're in a car / on a train - it takes so long
to type anything that you may as well just get yourself some carrier
pigeons.

* Often when you receive a call, it will come in twice, resulting in a
missed call from the same number at the same time.

* Whenever you answer a call, it will automagically (and very helpfully)
switch itself into speakerphone mode, which usually results in a
wonderful burst of ear-splitting feedback. This makes for an excellent
conversation point, and serves to liven up your day:

*RING*

*RING*

*SCRCH*

me: Hang on a second

(Switches to handset mode)

me: Hello?

caller: Hello? Dale?

me: Yeah

caller: What the hell was that?!?

me: Oh, just my phone, it's a piece of junk.

caller: Man, your phone really really sucks ass. I can't believe you
actually paid money for it. And I can't believe it *still* doesn't work!
you can usually fix anything! Linux must be really shit.

me: Actually, linux is good, it's just OpenMoko that sucks ass. But
with the evidence you're seeing/hearing, I can't really argue it, can I?

caller: Nope. There's no way you'll get me using linux after seeing
your phone in action.

* Also, most/all messages in your inbox will be duplicated whenever you
recieve a new SMS, meaning that your inbox will fill up very quickly if
you don't delete your sms messages religiously. Moving these messages to
trash and emptying trash may or may not delete them from the inbox,
depending on the current weather conditions. This is obviously some
super-duper kind of backup mechanism, intended to stop me from
accidentally deleting SMS messages which I don't want anymore.

 I am finding shr much more usable than the others at the moment - but
 even it does have its quirks if you want to use it everyday.

I haven't tried SHR yet, can't be bothered with the bullshit involved
with backing up your phone, importing contacts, etc. Plus IIUC SHR is
based on FSO, which still doesn't have any PIM except for contacts
stored on the sim, and for me PIM is important.

I was very impressed with the last FSO I flashed, but PIM is the
dealbreaker for me there - I'm hanging out for FSO to have PIM
integrated, then I might actually have a phone.

(Well, actually, I'm not hanging out for it - I'm getting my money back
on this godawful abortion of a thing and buying a blackberry)

- -D

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Re: [QtExtended] some things

2009-03-16 Thread Dale Maggee
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Lorn Potter wrote:
 Sounds even worse than shr/2008x/FSO then - why oh why cant some of the
 time spent on keyboards for any OM version be put into something that
 works.
 
 Well, obviously that is only his one opinion.
 

Actually, these are facts.

 actually, Qtopia is by far the best and most usable phone software for 
 the Neo.

Notice the phrasing: he said qtopia, not QT Extended. There were a
whole lot of bugs introduced in 4.4.2. Clever misdirection there.


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Re: [QtExtended] some things

2009-03-16 Thread Dale Maggee
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Lorn Potter wrote:
 Quite actually, I was using the predictive keyboard long before anyone 
 on this list was, so yes, I have done this. Many times.

Quite actually??? Quite what? work on your english.

So you've done it, many times... awesome... I note however that you
didn't actually answer my question: How Long does it take? and now, how
long does it take on your PC?

How long did it take you to type up my sample sms on your FR running
QTe? and why did you do that Many Times, as you claim? seems like
wasted effort to me...

Also, if you'd like to explain why I should CARE IN THE SLIGHTEST that
you were using it long before anyone else, I'd love to hear it.

 umm, yes. I can access the menu just fine with my finger.
 Options - Change Input Method.

ok, fair enough, so you can do it in 2 clicks, which cycles input
methods. Neat!

Unfortunately, however, as is your usual, you've not really answered my
question: I was interested in bringing up the list of input methods, not
cycling through them. It should be 2 clicks to change from predictive to
qwerty, and 2 to go back. You're advocating 2 clicks to get to the
qwerty keyboard, and 7 clicks to get back. How efficient.

 A use case is usually something that is very often used and repeatable 
 for any user. Typing 'antidisestablishmentarianism' is hardly typical.

So, you're going to squibble over semantics, rather than actually
discussing the issues at hand? right. Sure sounds like
you're interested in quality.

In all the work I've ever done, I'd consider a worst-case-scenario to be
a use case, and very worthy of concern. As far as I'm concerned, if you
don't agree with that assessment, then that's a good explanation as to
why your software is shit.

 No, but he will need to add those words to the common dictionary before 
 they will show up in the list of words. To enter a word in the 
 dictionary - simply press and hold the letters method.

Are you saying that any word I type which isn't in the dictionary is
automatically added? if this is the case then why is the word 'wot',
which I use *all the time*, not in my dictionary? Where is
'antidisestablishmentarianism', which I typed earlier today?

 There are too many niche scenarios to target, so we targeted common, 
 most used ones.

...and when someone brings up one you didn't target? Ignore it? stick
your head in the sand? tell them that they're imagining it? This is a
really great way to write shit software.

News flash: Users don't care what your software is designed to do, or
what use cases you have designed it to meet, they're interested in what
it ACTUALLY DOES and whether it FITS THEIR REQUIREMENTS. This 'uncommon'
scenario which you'd like to ignore is a valid, real-world scenario, and
worthy of your attention if you're actually serious about writing decent
software. If you're not interested in writing decent software, then
fine, but you should at least stop pretending it's useful for anybody
other than you if you're not interested in other people's scenarios
(I'll refrain from using the term use-case because I'd hate for you to
confuse it with something you care about).

 No, it was not a suggested word, as it was longer than any suggestions 
 it could find, so it just took the letters I was typing in.

So... you've completely ignored the entire point of my example, and have
not addressed the concerns I raise at all.

 I did. its not in the dictionary. see my statement above.

So... you now have a *misspelled* word in your sms editor? and you not
only typed it out, but then corrected that to a properly spelled
'antidisestablishmentarianism', all in under 10 seconds? Obviously this
is not what you are claiming... What I'd suggest you do is try actually
reading my previous email, following my example steps, and making an
informed comment regarding my concerns. As opposed to completely
ignoring them and focusing on semantics, which is all you've really done
in this email.

 Once you do that, your missEnglish word will be in the dictionary, or it 
 should be. Then it will find it and you won't have to tap the whole word 
 ever again. Thus saving you hours of tapping time if you would have used 
 even a desktop keyboard.

Right, so you *are* saying that anything I type is added automatically...

So, you're telling me that if I accidentally misspell
'antidisestablishmentarianism', the misspelling will be added to the
dictionary, and from now on it will *only* suggest the misspelt version,
meaning that next time I am *forced* to type it letter-by-letter. wow,
how awesome!

I think, however, that you're really just digging a big fucking hole for
yourself, because 'antidisestablishmentarianism' is *NOT* in my
dictionary, and neither are any of the intentional mis-spellings I've
typed today (or, in fact, ever, as far as I can see). If I were you, I'd
steer clear of espousing the virtues of FEATURES THAT DO NOT WORK - it
just makes you sound 

Re: [QtExtended] some things

2009-03-16 Thread Dale Maggee
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roguem...@roguewrt.org wrote:
 Dale Maggee wrote:
 _insert previous email here_
 
 With optimism, I have to say qte is rather polished and shows what 
 potential can be gleamed from the FR in certain areas.
 
 Optimism aside, I have to agree with Dale on pretty much every point. 
 Although 2008.x is actually quite usable at the moment, comparatively.
 
 Lorn, Dale did get personal towards the end but I agree with him in that 
 any rational person would admit or agree that improvements need to be 
 made. Ignoring, sidestepping and belittling his opinion is only going to 
 cause frustration. If you think he is wrong, it takes a simple email to 
 ask the people and gain a consensus.
 
 Meanwhile, my FR is currently water logged from a surprise downpour (yay 
 for Melbourne, if we're not burning we're drowning). I doubt it will 
 boot again, it been drying for a day, I'll leave it for a week and see 
 what happens. If it fails to boot, I'm buying an iphone.
 
 I've never ever owned anything apple so don't start ;) I used to play 
 logo on a IIe though :)
 
 Looking at the bluish corrosion on the battery terminals ... err ... 
 yeah, I think it's gone. It was an abysmal phone but I still feel like 
 I've lost a sheep from the flock  or a gnu from the hurd :)
 
 The Australian component is diminishing quickly :(
 
 Sarton
 

Thanks for your support. It is clearly completely unacceptable to
sidestep the issues and focus on semantics. burying your head in the
sand doesn't make problems go away.

That's bad news on the FR, although personally I wouldn't be too upset -
you'll now be able to get a real, usable phone. And Personally I'd
recommend blackberry's products over an iphone.

 If you think he is wrong, it takes a simple email to
 ask the people and gain a consensus.

Exactly. but we all know this isn't going to happen - how idiotic would
you feel when the public survey agrees 98% to 2% that your input methods
are absolute shit, especially after you've spent an afternoon defending
your retarded position?

Cheers,
- -Dale
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Re: [QtExtended] some things

2009-03-16 Thread Dale Maggee
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Dale Maggee wrote:

(Alot, handing Lorn his ass on a silver platter, with dill leaves for
garnish and Lorn's choice of Chips with salad or vegetables on the side,
Pwning him back to whatever hole he crawled from after 3 months of
complete silence followed by an afternoon of complete bullshit).

I Forgot one thing in my previous email:

PREDICTION: Lorn won't reply cuz I pwned him so hard he has to go to
perth to look for his dignity.
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Re: [QtExtended] some things

2009-03-16 Thread Dale Maggee
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Franky,

This is not about agreeing or disagreeing, this is about Lorn's refusal
to acknowledge that there are issues with his software. All he has to do
is a) acknowledge that there are issues b) address the concerns I have
raised, rather than commenting that my use of the word use-case does
not fit his definition and c) stop the lying / idiocy he's currently
demonstrating.

You'll note that at no point have I ever said that QT Extended isn't the
best software currently available for the FreeRunner - I will happily,
clearly, and unequivacobly state that QT Extended *is* the best software
currently available for the freerunner. However that doesn't mean it
isn't shit.

Personal attacks are merited, warranted, and infact neccessary when
somebody starts lying and/or being monumentally stupid, which is exactly
what Lorn has done today.

Yes, Lorn was one of the major developers of QT Extended, and credit
should be given where it's due:

Lorn, as one of the major developers of what is currently the best piece
of software available for the FreeRunner, I'd like to take this
opportunity to say that you have written a buggy piece of shit. Congrats
on that.

- -Dale

Franky Van Liedekerke wrote:
 To Dale (and in a lesser extent to Lorn):
 
 let's agree to disagree, shall we? Some like the predictive keyboard, some
 don't. There should be an easy way to disable the predictive part, for those
 that don't like it (or indeed the word you typed should always be the first
 suggested).
 But that aside: stop ranting please. I agree with you, Dale, that the
 keyboard needs work (well, it was my mail that started this all) but I also
 agree with Lorn that qtopia (the former name for qtextended) is by far the
 best distribution for the openmoko for now (no other even comes close to a
 pim, and qtextended imported all my contacts just nicely, with picture
 even).
 qtextended needs work, the keyboard needs work (in my opinion), etc ... we
 all now it :-) Personal attacks should be left aside here, Lorn was one of
 the major developpers of qtextended, and give credit where credit is due ...
 
 Franky
 
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 Quite actually, I was using the predictive keyboard long before anyone
 on this list was, so yes, I have done this. Many times.
 
 
 
 
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Re: [QtExtended] some things

2009-03-16 Thread Dale Maggee
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Radek,

I'm just going to address this in quick dot points:

 you must have a problem not related to Qt Extended at all.

My issue *is* with QT Extended. You suggesting that it is otherwise
indicates that you haven't read my emails properly / thoroughly. I'd
suggest you do that.

 Do you think someone is interested in your long and offensive mails

* I'm not interested in whether people want to read my opinion of the
software, or whether people take offense at it. What I am interested in
is expressing my concerns including a description of the issues I'm
seeing using the software. What I am *more* interested in is the
developer trying to tell me that my problems are not actually problems,
trying to pretend like his software is infallible and/or it's me at
fault, when it is clearly and demonstrably the software which is at issue.

 that have nearly zero information?

* My emails contain quite a lot of information, much of it highly
detailed. I'd suggest you read through them in their entirety with
detachment, rather than allowing their tone to feed your emotions and
provoke a kneejerk reaction.

 Don't you like the keyboard? Send a patch.

* Already addressed in my previous emails, try actually reading them to
find out what I said about this.

 If you have idea - write it down as short as it can be.

Yep, I did that, and Lorn proceeded to tell me that this was not a
valid use case. Which is utter bullshit.

 If the idea's good someone will pick it up.

At least two people have replied agreeing with the issue, but not the
developer of the software. If you'd read my emails properly you'd most
likely also agree.

 Otherwise please stop spamming this list with this offensive nonsence.

1. I'll stop when Lorn acknowledges that his software is not perfect,
and apologises to me for effectively trying to tell me that the issues I
and others have with the software do not matter, or are imaginary.

2. Re-read my emails, they contain no nonsence, and neither do they
contain any nonsense. I'd suggest you actually read them as a thread,
and you'll find that I have legitimate concerns, which Lorn refuses to
acknowledge.

3. If you have a problem with this thread, filter it out. I'd suggest
actually reading it in entirety before you do so, though.

4. Please feel free to participate constructively to this thread ONCE
YOU HAVE ACTUALLY READ MY EMAILS.

Regards,
- -Dale

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Re: [QtExtended] some things

2009-03-16 Thread Dale Maggee
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 How can we when you just rant on and on and on?

It's easy: What you do is read the emails, and then address the concerns
 I raised. Things you shouldn't do include: Contradicting yourself,
telling me about the virtues of features that don't work, and playing
word-games with semantics while avoiding the actual issues.

 What I told you was a way to work with the software, as it is. You  
 could have found that out yourself, it you would have read the help to  
 see how it works. It is not that complicated, but you must know how it  
 works to use it correctly. Like driving a car.

Um, no. What you have told me is a) nothing I didn't already know b)
inadequate to address the concerns I raised.


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Re: [QtExtended] some things

2009-03-16 Thread Dale Maggee
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Sarton,

A *big* Thank You to you for actually bothering to take the time to
read my emails in their entirety!

 I too don't understand why some devs aren't willing to take a completely
 presented and well constructed criticism, and admit that more could be done
 (or redone). I don't think that anyone who has replied has understood that
 prior to the use of colourful language, there was no acceptance of your
 criticism or your opinion. Luckily, this is more a qte thing within the
 OM world. All others have at least attempted to accomodate more useful
 features, or ways of implementing additional features.
 
 In some ways I'm tempted to think there was or is intent there. But
 that would be their prerogative I suppose, which then comes back to
 what is actually disclosed.

Yeah, it's very strange. In my opinion, there's only really one
explanation: Incompetence. Not necessarily incompetence in software
development, more a general failure at a human level. To be able to do
that, you'd have to not really care about the software you've written.
Personally, I want the guys who wrote all the software I use to put in
the same kind of dedication as I do into my projects - when a user comes
to me with really weird requirements, I see it as a challenge! I
immediately say to myself How can I accommodate that.

This mentality of that's not a problem is ridiculous and as far as I'm
concerned harmful. I've dealt with people who take the that's not a
problem approach before, and I've seen their contracts come and go (and
they *do* come and go - invariably they piss off their clients, and
their contracts don't get renewed), and then I often get to redesign
their projects with some sanity and care, and they work much better, and
everyone is happy.

Yeah, it actually occurred to me today to me that Trolltech seem to be
doing their very best to get me to buy a Nokia... Strange, that... ;)

A couple of days ago I was actually thinking Nokia. Now, I'll be getting
a blackberry after today's little debacle, just in case.

In fact, I might just point that out to somebody at Nokia's PR
department: Congratulations: an employee of one of your subsiduaries
has just ensured that I will never purchase another Nokia, and that I'll
tell all my friends to steer clear of Nokia products from now on.

 Hah! you are my father! hehe ...besides him owning every incantation,
 I think it's actually a telco thing, they like their blackberries.

hahaha... and you know what? I work at a telco... but I don't remember
ever having kids! I deny everything! ;)

 I would buy a blackberry but:
 1). I couldn't tell my dad ever!
 2). I'm a gamer and love my toys.
 
 Actually, 3). I can't help spending money on things that might do more
 than they are suppose to :)
 
 Some things turn out to do less, or other tasks entirely! ;)

hehe, well in that case, I guess an iphone is probably your best bet. My
major issue with the iphone is their app store crap, and then there's
the non-removable battery. Plus it's Apple. I'm not really into mobile
gaming (I play my games on a 2.5m Projector screen!), so that's not an
issue for me.

although right now I'd choose Apple over Nokia!

 If nothing, I've been having a good ol' chuckle, prolly cause my phone
 is dead, but it is good to see a passionate aussie on an open source
 maillinglist :)

Well I'm glad that *somebody* is reading my mails and actually getting
them - facts, humor, vicious stabs, and all...

Cheers,
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Re: [QtExtended] some things

2009-03-16 Thread Dale Maggee
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Lorn Potter wrote:

Nah, I'm not concerned with symantics, I'm all about software
development. If it appears that in every single email I've sent this
afternoon, I have dealt entirely with grammar, spelling, and choice of
words, you're actually imagining it. Yep, that's the result of you
hallucinating - I was actually talking software the whole time, and went
over some really full-on technical issues. It was a productive
afternoon. Anyone accusing me of focusing on the trivialities of the
english language while somebody was attempting to engage me in a
discussion of the software's shortcomings was also hallucinating. I'm
not being evasive, I promise! Would I lie to you (more than 5 times in a
single conversation)?
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Re: [QtExtended] some things

2009-03-16 Thread Dale Maggee
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Aah, the fun continues...

 because just perhaps I have an insight in how one is supposed to  
 actually be using it.

I think it's pretty clear at this point that the word insight is
completely foreign to you.

Wow, I have to give you credit - you certainly are good at completely
ignoring damning evidence and not answering questions directly put to
you multiple times. Ever considered a career in politics? You'd fit in
really well there!

How Long does it take to type your address on your freerunner, using the
methods described...errr...three(?) emails ago? and now, how long does
it take on your PC?

How long did it take you to type up my sample sms on your FR running
QTe? and why did you do that Many Times, as you claim? seems like
wasted effort to me...

 The list of input methods was actually depreciated. What you are  
 seeing is that someone didn't have the time or inspiration to remove  
 that from the neo's theme.

Translation from asshat to english: The software is shit. We couldn't
be bothered doing it properly, and our test plans and use cases, which
we value more highly than actual real-world scenarios, are a joke. Oh,
and I'm still going to ignore all your concerns and refuse to answer the
questions you've posed.

 correction: _you_ don't care what the software was designed to do.

Again, you demonstrate your ignorance in a shining example of your
inadequacy as a both a human being and a software developer. It's pretty
obvious from this statement that you've never even bothered to speak
with an end-user. Your correction is fundamentally flawed and
incorrect, and my original statement remains valid.

 No, I didn't say that.

You really are a shifty motherfucker, I'll give you that. I just
absolutely love the oh, that's not what I said, without any
explanation of what you actually *did* say, or addressing the concerns I
raised. Brilliant.

It's getting to be a recurring theme, though, what with you
contradicting yourself in your previous email via the same mechanism.
Maybe next time you should try something different, like... oh, I don't
know... maybe... being honest? Addressing the issues I've raised? I know
that's not your style, but maybe you could try it, just for something
completely different?

 I can't believe you failed to read the help for the input method.  
 Actually I can.
 In fact, I can even edit those misspellings, but I will leave that as  
 an endeavor for the reader.

So basically what you're saying is that an intuitive interface is
optional, not really desirable because you know how to use it, and
really just too much effort...

 [snip useless drivel]

This useless drivel Lorn refers to is me demonstrating that Lorn is
either lying or a complete retard. The fact that he refuses to even
acknowledge this and attempted to trim it from all further
correspondence indicates to me that it's malice, not stupidity.

I'll restore this in the vain hope that perhaps he might address it,
rather than ignore it as he has consistently done all afternoon:

  No one said to use the little qwerty keyboard with fingers.

I BEG YOUR PARDON?!?!?

Lorn Potter wrote at 12:41pm:
 Then you can easily switch to the qwerty keyboard.

Lorn Potter wrote at 12:41pm:
  You can even use this with big fingers and hit in between letters
  and it will still work (suggestively) well.

Now, we were discussing the predictive keyboard, and you told me that I
could easily switch to the qwerty keyboard... which qwerty keyboard
were you referring to, exactly, if not the little qwerty keyboard? There
are only two: the predictive keyboard and the qwerty keyboard. Unless
you're trying to tell me that there's a difference between 'keyboard'
and 'docked keyboard'.

I call bullshit.

Lorn, you're either completely full of shit, or you have no idea what
the fuck you're talking about. Due to the old adage never attribute to
malice that which can be explained by stupidity, I'll give you an
opportunity to publicly apologise and explain exactly what the hell
you're on about...

 the way it works, because IT DOESN'T WORK THE WAY YOU'RE SAYING.
 
 It does.

No, it doesn't. You're either a liar or a fucking retard. I lean towards
Liar.

If you're a liar, you're *also* a fucking retard - when lying, the
non-retard would come up with a *credible* lie, which you're not even
bothering with... Or is it that you're just not clever enough?

 You have absolutely no idea which parts of Qtopia I worked on, so you  
 cannot say I have done a bad job, when in fact, I had no contact with  
 this code.

I didn't say Bad, I said shit, which is worse than bad.

and, Yeah, I can: Watch me: You've done a shit job.

Regardless of any contact you may or may not have had with the code, or
your contributions or lack thereof to qtopia, you have done a shit job.

Firstly, where's the QTe release that was coming in December? why such
inadequate communication? You've done a shit Job.

Secondly, you've done an 

Re: [QtExtended] some things

2009-03-16 Thread Dale Maggee
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Johny Tenfinger wrote:
 I don't know what would you say, if I'll tell you that I'm programming
 on FreeRunner using qwerty keyboard and only with finger (for instance
 in train - PM module in shr-settings is from train and was written
 only with finger) ;)
 

Is this in SHR? If so, maybe it's worth trying out.

Programming on FR with finger only = Impressive!
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Re: [QtExtended] some things

2009-03-16 Thread Dale Maggee
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Johny Tenfinger wrote:
 FSO has had PIM (opimd) since milestone5 (but disabled by default).
 SHR will use it in nearly future.

O RLY?!?

:D

Awesome! So there's progress being made on that front at least, that's
great to hear! SHR is sounding more and more like it's worth checking out!

And the developers actually read emails in their entirety! ;)

Any Idea how soon near future might be? (I know, it's probably hard to
answer, but even a rough guess would be great... days? weeks? months?).

Thanks for chipping in! This thread has now actually provided me with
some useful info!

:)

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Re: [QtExtended] some things

2009-03-16 Thread Dale Maggee
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Johny Tenfinger wrote:
 On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 15:06, Dale Maggee anti...@internode.on.net wrote:
 Is this in SHR? If so, maybe it's worth trying out.
 
 Yes, it's standard Illume keyboard. SHR is using that ;)

aah, excellent - that keyboard works quite well once you force it to
always use the terminal keyboard, as Bill suggested earlier in this thread.

Yup, 'Trying out SHR' just got added to my list of things to do. :)
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Re: [QtExtended] some things

2009-03-16 Thread Dale Maggee
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Lorn Potter wrote:
 Dale Maggee wrote:
 Aah, the fun continues...
 
 [snip utter nonsense]

Utter nonsense, again, including questions which you persist in
ignoring, and discussion of the issues with your shit software which you
 categorically refuse to discuss or even acknowledge exist.

 http://www.netalert.gov.au/advice/behaviour/netiquette_emoticons/What_is_netiquette.html
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netiquette

So... you can copy and paste a web address, good for you!

I guess, it *is* more than I would have expected from someone of your
special-ness. Were the people at the spastic society proud of you for
accomplishing that? did they give you a gold star?

You *really are* a fucking retard, you know that, don't you?

from the netalert website that YOU LINKED TO:

Examples of netiquette include:
* responding appropriately to requests

Congratulations, Lorn, you complete fucking idiot, you fucking liar, you
absolute wanker - You've just demonstrated, once again, for the entire
world's verification, that you're the stupidest motherfucker on it.

I can't believe you would link to a page which confirms that you broke
netiquette first, and that any response telling you that you're a
fucking liar, or a fucking wanker, or a fucking retard is entirely
justified and warranted.

Actually, I can believe it - why stop contradicting yourself just
because you look like a retard?

I have links, too!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deception
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honour
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morality
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retard
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idiot_(usage)

Given that you insist on ignoring the issues at hand:

Wow, I have to give you credit - you certainly are good at completely
ignoring damning evidence and not answering questions directly put to
you multiple times. Ever considered a career in politics? You'd fit in
really well there!

How Long does it take to type your address on your freerunner, using the
methods described...errr...three(?) emails ago? and now, how long does
it take on your PC?

How long did it take you to type up my sample sms on your FR running
QTe? and why did you do that Many Times, as you claim? seems like
wasted effort to me...

  [snip useless drivel]

This useless drivel Lorn refers to is me demonstrating that Lorn is
either lying or a complete retard. The fact that he refuses to even
acknowledge this and attempted to trim it from all further
correspondence indicates to me that it's malice, not stupidity.

I'll restore this in the vain hope that perhaps he might address it,
rather than ignore it as he has consistently done all afternoon:

   No one said to use the little qwerty keyboard with fingers.

I BEG YOUR PARDON?!?!?

Lorn Potter wrote at 12:41pm:
  Then you can easily switch to the qwerty keyboard.

Lorn Potter wrote at 12:41pm:
   You can even use this with big fingers and hit in between letters
   and it will still work (suggestively) well.

Now, we were discussing the predictive keyboard, and you told me that I
could easily switch to the qwerty keyboard... which qwerty keyboard
were you referring to, exactly, if not the little qwerty keyboard? There
are only two: the predictive keyboard and the qwerty keyboard. Unless
you're trying to tell me that there's a difference between 'keyboard'
and 'docked keyboard'.

I call bullshit.

Lorn, you're either completely full of shit, or you have no idea what
the fuck you're talking about. Due to the old adage never attribute to
malice that which can be explained by stupidity, I'll give you an
opportunity to publicly apologise and explain exactly what the hell
you're on about...

  the way it works, because IT DOESN'T WORK THE WAY YOU'RE SAYING.
 
  It does.

No, it doesn't. You're either a liar or a fucking retard. I lean towards
Liar.

If you're a liar, you're *also* a fucking retard - when lying, the
non-retard would come up with a *credible* lie, which you're not even
bothering with... Or is it that you're just not clever enough?

  You have absolutely no idea which parts of Qtopia I worked on, so you
  cannot say I have done a bad job, when in fact, I had no contact with
  this code.

I didn't say Bad, I said shit, which is worse than bad.

and, Yeah, I can: Watch me: You've done a shit job.

Regardless of any contact you may or may not have had with the code, or
your contributions or lack thereof to qtopia, you have done a shit job.

Firstly, where's the QTe release that was coming in December? why such
inadequate communication? You've done a shit Job.

Secondly, you've done an absolutely abysmal job today. Refusing to
acknowledge or address my concerns, as far as I'm concerned, means that
you're just a fucking wanker who has no sense of pride in his work, and
would rather pretend that a product is adequate, when it's clearly not,
than even acknowledge it's faults. This is a *SHIT JOB*, and you've done
it. Hence, sing it with me:

*YOU HAVE DONE

Re: [QtExtended] some things

2009-03-16 Thread Dale Maggee
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Lorn Potter wrote:
 [snip utter nonsense]
 
 and you have just demonstrated your maturity level. Go home, your 
 parents want to wash your mouth out with soap.

Haha, says he who repeatedly and persistently refuses to discuss the
issues! Wow, now you can *really* add hypocrite to the ever expanding
list on your resume! I mean, sending me a link to nettiquette rules that
you broke first was pretty damn hypocritical, but two entirely
hypocritical emails in one day!

So now the list that goes something along the lines of:

* Highly skilled at evasive responses with no real content
* Able to blatantly lie with a straight face
* Actions are Not influenced by morality or human decency
* Stupid enough to contradict self in public
* Complete Hypocrite.

No, really, I'm gonna write up a couple of letters of recommendation for
you: I'm gonna email the head of Microsoft's HR on your behalf, and I'll
also email the Liberal Party - I hear they're looking for a new leader,
and you're certainly slippery, evasive, and deceitful enough. I'll post
them here for all to see. Hopefully you'll get your dream job as 'chief
bullshit artist' at MS. Although I think you're probably over-qualified.

I see your lips moving, but all I can hear is 'bullshit bullshit
bullshit bullshit bullshit bullshit bullshit bullshit'...

For the record, I'm not going anywhere, and long after I've got my
blackberry and kicked your godawful software to the curb where it
belongs, I'll still be replying to your every post on this list with
Lorn is a bullshit artist, be wary of believing anything he says.
Here's a link to him contradicting himself.

Utter nonsense, again, including questions which you persist in
ignoring, and discussion of the issues with your shit software which you
 categorically refuse to discuss or even acknowledge exist.

Given that you insist on ignoring the issues at hand:

Wow, I have to give you credit - you certainly are good at completely
ignoring damning evidence and not answering questions directly put to
you multiple times. Ever considered a career in politics? You'd fit in
really well there!

How Long does it take to type your address on your freerunner, using the
methods described...errr...five(?) emails ago? and now, how long does
it take on your PC?

How long did it take you to type up my sample sms on your FR running
QTe? and why did you do that Many Times, as you claim? seems like
wasted effort to me...

   [snip useless drivel]

This useless drivel Lorn refers to is me demonstrating that Lorn is
either lying or a complete retard. The fact that he refuses to even
acknowledge this and attempted to trim it from all further
correspondence indicates to me that it's malice, not stupidity.

I'll restore this in the vain hope that perhaps he might address it,
rather than ignore it as he has consistently done all afternoon:

No one said to use the little qwerty keyboard with fingers.

I BEG YOUR PARDON?!?!?

Lorn Potter wrote at 12:41pm:
   Then you can easily switch to the qwerty keyboard.

Lorn Potter wrote at 12:41pm:
You can even use this with big fingers and hit in between
letters
and it will still work (suggestively) well.

Now, we were discussing the predictive keyboard, and you told me that I
could easily switch to the qwerty keyboard... which qwerty keyboard
were you referring to, exactly, if not the little qwerty keyboard? There
are only two: the predictive keyboard and the qwerty keyboard. Unless
you're trying to tell me that there's a difference between 'keyboard'
and 'docked keyboard'.

I call bullshit.

Lorn, you're either completely full of shit, or you have no idea what
the fuck you're talking about. Due to the old adage never attribute to
malice that which can be explained by stupidity, I'll give you an
opportunity to publicly apologise and explain exactly what the hell
you're on about...

   the way it works, because IT DOESN'T WORK THE WAY YOU'RE SAYING.
  
   It does.

No, it doesn't. You're either a liar or a fucking retard. I lean towards
Liar.

If you're a liar, you're *also* a fucking retard - when lying, the
non-retard would come up with a *credible* lie, which you're not even
bothering with... Or is it that you're just not clever enough?

   You have absolutely no idea which parts of Qtopia I worked on, so you
   cannot say I have done a bad job, when in fact, I had no contact with
   this code.

I didn't say Bad, I said shit, which is worse than bad.

and, Yeah, I can: Watch me: You've done a shit job.

Regardless of any contact you may or may not have had with the code, or
your contributions or lack thereof to qtopia, you have done a shit job.

Firstly, where's the QTe release that was coming in December? why such
inadequate communication? You've done a shit Job.

Secondly, you've done an absolutely abysmal job today. Refusing to
acknowledge or address my concerns, as far as I'm concerned, means that
you're just a fucking wanker who has no 

Re: [QtExtended] some things

2009-03-16 Thread Dale Maggee
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I'd suggest you filter out this conversation if you're not interested.

This discussion *is* actually leading somewhere, though: Lorn is
digging a deeper and deeper hole for himself.

wim.delv...@adaptiveplanet.com wrote:
 Dale, lorn ... please, go take a cold shower and a few deep breaths to cool 
 down.
 
 This discussion isn't leading anywhere ...
 
 W

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Re: [QtExtended] some things

2009-03-15 Thread Dale Maggee
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Lorn Potter wrote:
 
 I find the 'predictive' keyboard quite usable. You just need to forget  
 what it is suggesting until you are finished with the word.
 But for any language other than English, it might be a hassle.
 

It isn't too bad, but it's very painful as soon as the word you're
typing isn't in it's dictionary. It should always offer exactly what you
typed as an option, regardless of whether it's in the dictionay or not:
If I type pwned, I should see both pwned and owned in the word list.

It's also completely evil when you try to type just a single character,
such as the word I or a full stop - I often have trouble tapping on
these in the word list to get them to be added to what I'm typing -
seems they're too small and require precise tapping.

You should be able to add a word to the dictionary very easily, perhaps
even automatically adding any word you type which isn't in the
dictionary - I use *many* non-dictionary wrds wen im typin an sms, 2 da
point where language other than english' would describe it.
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Re: [QtExtended] some things

2009-03-15 Thread Dale Maggee
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Lorn Potter wrote:
 Just hold down on the letter you want to select. You will see a round 
 'spy glass' thing pop up with your letter.

This is all well and good, but it's for all intents and purposes totally
useless in practical application - typing anything remotely long or
complex (examples: My mail server address, somebody's surname, a phone
number, an email address, a street/suburb name, GPS coordinates) takes
an *inordinate* amount of time - just try typing out your postal address
using that method - you'll soon find that you're developing a powerful
urge to stab yourself in the eyeballs with a rusty fork... ;)

If typing your postal address doesn't do it, see how long it takes you
to type the following (spelling is important!):

yo doodz wots up? im sendin this sms cuz i cbf typin an email you ya,
and cuz i wanna demo jus how goddamn awful it is to type wen it takes 3
secs for each bluddy letta. Got ne rusty forks lyin round?

How long does it take you to type 'antidisestablishmentarianism' using
this method? Don't forget to also include in this figure the time it
takes to type antidisestablishmentarianism, only to discover that it's
not in the dictionary, then delete that, then type it out
letter-by-letter. For comparison, here are some figures I just worked
out, using a stopwatch to time myself typing 'antidisestablishmentarianism':

* My PC - Standard US 101-key IBM Model M qwerty Keyboard - 6.18 seconds
* My Ipaq - HP Ipaq 6515 with built-in mini-qwerty keyboard - 12.35 Seconds
* FreeRunner running QT extended, using 'predictive keyboard': 81.95
Seconds (almost a minute and a half!)

I can't think of a more dramatic way to point out how slow this method
is. Obviously I don't expect it to match the Ipaq, but more than 6 times
slower than the Ipaq is abysmal. It shouldn't take a minute and a half
to type one word.

The simple and easy solution is as I noted before: the predictive text
should always offer you exactly what you type - if I type pwned, I
want to see pwned and  owned in the word list, regardless of whether
pwned is in the dictionary.
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Re: [QtExtended] some things

2009-03-15 Thread Dale Maggee
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Lorn Potter wrote:
 
 You just need to add your words to the dictionary, so you wont have to 
 tap so much.
 

...which is exactly why it should be very easy, perhaps even automatic,
to add words to the dictionary...
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Re: [QtExtended] some things

2009-03-15 Thread Dale Maggee
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Lorn Potter wrote:
 Typing numbers are not 'suggested'.

Fine, be fastidious if you must, You know what I meant.

How long did it take you to type your postal address? Now, how long does
it take on your PC?

Oh... you didn't test it? You didn't bother typing out the sample SMS in
my email? Hmmm, Interesting...

 I personally do not find the delay all that troublesome.

Well, that indicates to me that you're either not using it for everyday
use, or that you happen to be a lucky person who's typing dictionary
words, or, more likely, that as the developer all the words you use
commonly happen to be in the dictionary already (strange, that...)

 As I said, if you can easily switch to the qwerty keyboard.

bwahahaha, that's a funny joke. Have you ever tried actually switching
to the qwerty keyboard using just your finger? for me, it usually takes
at least 3-4 attempts just to bring up the list of input methods. Then
there's actually attempting to type on the qwerty keyboard, which we'll
get into later...

 This is not a very valid usecase. How many times are you going to type 
 this into your phone in a real world situation?

You're incorrect - it's a completely valid, worst-case scenario which
serves very well to illustrate the inadequacy of the 'typing one letter
at a time' method which you are advocating. In real-world usage, I'll
concede that 'antidisestablishmentarianism' isn't used often, but long
words which aren't in the dictionary are not at all uncommon, especially
given long words combined with sms-speak spelling. How would you suggest
a biologist or chemist use this input method to talk about his work?

If you're trying to tell me that the biologist needs to put a
biologist's dictionary on his phone before he can use it, I'll laugh
my ass off, and I'll tell you exactly how utterly ludicrous that Idea
really is.

As a software developer, I'm *very* interested in worst-case scenarios,
as they work very well to find all these little inefficiencies - if I
can make my software usable in a worst case scenario, it's going to be
absolutely brilliant for average, everyday use. I test (and sometimes
write) all my software on low-powered machines for this reason

If you're not interested in actually making your software robust and
useful, maybe you should apply for a job at Microsoft.

 For a fact, though, this took me exactly as much time to tap it out, 
 without having to use the press down method ~10 seconds.

Care to clarify on that? to me, this statement makes no sense.

If you're saying that you just typed in 'antidisestablishmentarianism'
and it was suggested and you were able to choose it because it had no
idea what you were typing and showed you what you typed, then you're
doing it wrong, and your test is invalid.

For it to be a valid test, you need to do the following:

1. *quickly* Type 'antidisestablishmentarianism', as if you're expecting
it to be in the dictionary. (Type quickly, and ignore precision,
assuming the dictionary will still suggest the correct word even if you
accidentally hit a couple of letters wrong).

(i.e: If I'm typing 'owned' in an SMS, I don't concern myself if I
actually accidentally type pwned, because I know the dictionary will
pick up on my mistake and suggest owned. For your test to be valid,
you need to type 'antidisestablishmentarianism' as if you're expecting
it to be in the dictionary - i.e quickly and without precision)

2. Since you typed quickly and without precision, you'll now have
something like antidiseatablishmentaroanusm (note that my spelling
wasn't precise, and I now have an incorrectly spelled word being
suggested.

3. A this point, If I swipe my finger to the left (i.e: backspace) to
correct the spelling mistakes, the entire word is erased, and I have to
do the 'one letter at a time' bullshit.

4. Alternatively at step 3, I could have tapped on the incorrectly
spelled word to have it added to the sms I'm composing, and then edited
it by positioning the cursor, backspacing, fixing the mistakes, and
repositioning the cursor at the end of the text.

I can do that, that is, *if* the software happens to want to let me
position the cursor, rather than selecting everything between where I'm
trying to put the cursor and the end of the message. I haven't been able
to determine exactly what factors influence whether it will let me
position the cursor or select text to the end, but I think it has to do
with the ambient humidity and wind speed/direction.

Of course, This is all as much or more of a hassle than the 'one letter
at a time' method which you advocate.

Don't you dare even trying to tell me that my test is invalid, and that
I need to type with precision in step 1, because if you try to tell me
that, then I'll have one very simple and effective retort: What is the
point of having a dictionary lookup system like the one in QTe unless
it's to figure out what you were trying to type, and correct your
mistakes? 

Re: [QtExtended] some things

2009-03-15 Thread Dale Maggee
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W.Kenworthy wrote:

 Disable it - find the keyboard files and copy terminal.kbd over the top
 of default and numbers.  No dictionary, and terminal pops up nicely
 instead of those brain dead ones - you wont miss them, I dont.


Thanks for the suggestion Bill, but we're actually talking about QT
Extended, not 2008.X - we don't have those keyboards you're talking
about. FYI, QTe has:

* A (totally, utterly, completely useless) handwriting recognition method.

* A (almost completely useless, unless you happen to have a needle, 10
minutes, and are completely still - keys are so tiny I struggle with a
stylus) full qwerty terminal keyboard.

* A (not quite completely useless, but working towards it, as per our
discussion) 'predictive' keyboard, which the 2008.X one was obviously
based on at some point.

So, in QTe your input choices are SSH, complete shit, utter shit, or
just shit.

It's kinda like having to choose between death by disemboweling or death
by dismemberment.

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Re: Newbie questions

2009-03-08 Thread Dale Maggee
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Robin Paulson wrote:
 for a simple stable phone, i'd start with qt ext and then give shr a go
 

For a simple and stable phone, I'd start with a Nokia...


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Re: NeoTool

2009-02-16 Thread Dale Maggee
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Joop Boonen wrote:

 I've changed a few things in NeoTool.

Thanks for your contributions!

Please note however that I am working (*very* slowly!) on NeoTool v1.3,
and these changes may or may not appear in the new version. I am however
quite willing to consider this an 'official' v1.2.1.

 1) No need to run it as root any more as long as you are in the uucp group.

NeoTool v1.3 has this, but it's achieved through a different method - It
prompts for your user password and then uses this to call 'sudo
dfu-util' rather than just 'dfu-util'. I will look into your mention of
the uucp group.

Also you should note that if you are concerned about security the temp
filenames should be generated using mktemp, i.e Line 48 would become:

tmp_error_log_path=`mktemp /tmp/neotool.XXX`


 2) The config is saved in ~/.neotoolrc

NeoTool v1.3 will use ~/.neotool.conf to save user settings, and
/etc/neotool.conf to save root's settings, and/or to load defaults if no
user settings file is found (root's settings become the default). If
neither of these files is found, v1.3 will use /etc/frutil for backwards
compatibility. I will not be adding any support for ~/.neotoolrc, but I
may add a 'load custom settings' option which would allow you to specify
your own settings file. I would suggest that you should probably change
your v1.2.1 to use neotool.conf rather than neotoolrc for maximum
backwards compatibility.

 3) The backup directory can be chosen, the default is: ~/openmoko/backups

For the record, this could already be achieved by adding a path to the
backup filename setting. NeoTool checks for the existence of the
specified path and attempts to create it if it cannot find it. This can
be used for example to store your backups in date-defined subfolders: if
you set your backup filename to: /openmoko/backups/{date]/{image},
NeoTool will automatically try to create a 17-Feb-2009 subfolder under
/data/openmoko, and will put the backup files in this folder. Please
ensure that your changes do not interfere with this.

 I couldn't reach the original maintainer yet. So i build version 1.2.1 for
 now, in the rpm packages.

I've been very busy over the last few months, hence my slow progress on
NeoTool, slow replies, and less involvement in this list. If you want to
have this considered an 'official' v1.2.1, please update the wiki page
for NeoTool at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/NeoTool. :)

Regards
- -Dale

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Re: [om2008-9] Never able to successfully backup the jffs2 partition...

2009-01-13 Thread Dale Maggee
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john dowd wrote:
 I've alway been able to backup the kernel partition of my Neo FR but
 not the jffs2 partition. Here's the error that is reported:
 
 Opening USB Device 0x:0x...
 Found Runtime: [0x1d50:0x5119] devnum=4, cfg=0, intf=0, alt=6, name=rootfs
 Claiming USB DFU Interface...
 Setting Alternate Setting ...
 Determining device status: state = dfuERROR, status = 14
 dfuERROR, clearing status
 Determining device status: state = dfuIDLE, status = 0
 dfuIDLE, continuing
 Transfer Size = 0x1000
 dfu_upload error -84
 
 This is not a terrible big deal right now but will be in the future.
 Any ideas? Questions comments or rude remarks?
 
 Cheers!!
 --


NeoTool will backup your root partition to a flashable jffs2 without
using dfu-util

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/NeoTool

Regards,
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Re: [QTExtended] duplicated sms

2008-12-18 Thread Dale Maggee
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I've done a fair bit of searching lately and I've not found anything. If
you find something, please let me know!

I also get it with incoming phone calls (not all the time, but often)

Lorn from Trolltech said recently that we can expect a new version soon...

- -Dale

Giorgio Marci wrote:
 So..is there nothing to do in order to resolve this problem?
 
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   From: drac2000
   To: community@lists.openmoko.org
   Subject: Re: [QTExtended] duplicated sms
   Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 09:17:02 -0800 (PST)
 
 
 
 
   Giorgio Marci wrote:
   
Hi to all,
   
i have the same problem of several people: in qtextended 4.4.2 the
messages are duplicated for some reason.
   
   
 
   For me not only messages, but incoming phone calls also
   I think the issue of ghost incoming calls is still here :-( even with
   using
   hypnotize image)
 
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Re: QT Extended

2008-12-13 Thread Dale Maggee
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Bastian Muck wrote:
 Dale Maggee schrieb:
 
 [..]
 2. The Messaging app - it's doing strange things, like sometimes it
 creates duplicates of messages, so I'll see 2 or 3 copies of the same
 SMS in my inbox. So I'll move all messages to trash and empty trash,
 then a couple of minutes later an SMS will arrive and it'll say '17
 messages recieved' and I'll see many duplicates of old messages I just
 deleted in my inbox. Also it will only store about 130 messages - is
 this storing SMS messages on the SIM? can it be configured to store them
 in it's own database?

   
 The messages are stored in the Sim and in the sqlite-db. When i delete
 copies of my sms, these sms are not copied. The message '17' new
 messages habe arrived is caused when 17 messages are stored in the sim.
 when you delete the messages, next time there are just 1 or 2 messages.
 I guess, that on an arrived sms the messages is forgotten to be deleted
 from sim. Maybe that just 1 line of code may be the solution of the
 problem. But I don't know the code, so I can't give a 100% correct
 comment. This are just my expierences.
 [..]
 4. I'm told that the echo is back (which wasn't there with Trolltech's
 QT extended image, the one which didn't ring)

   
 There is just no echo, because the volume set in QT extended ist quite
 low. with this volume I had no problem with any image.
 Does anybody have any ideas on any of these things? apart from this and
 the fact that I can't run any of the cool software being produced for
 2008.x, I like Qt Extended alot!
   
 You can't run these apps because QT Extended has no support for GTK-Apps.
 
 
 Greetungs Bastian


Thanks for your response, unfortunately it doesn't really help solve any
of the problems i'm having.

My friends are reporting that there *is* an echo, so telling me there's
no echo doesn't really cut it... :)

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Re: QT Extended

2008-12-13 Thread Dale Maggee
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Bastian Muck wrote:
 Dale Maggee schrieb:
 Bastian Muck wrote:
   
 Dale Maggee schrieb:

 [..]
 
 2. The Messaging app - it's doing strange things, like sometimes it
 creates duplicates of messages, so I'll see 2 or 3 copies of the same
 SMS in my inbox. So I'll move all messages to trash and empty trash,
 then a couple of minutes later an SMS will arrive and it'll say '17
 messages recieved' and I'll see many duplicates of old messages I just
 deleted in my inbox. Also it will only store about 130 messages - is
 this storing SMS messages on the SIM? can it be configured to store them
 in it's own database?

   
   
 The messages are stored in the Sim and in the sqlite-db. When i delete
 copies of my sms, these sms are not copied. The message '17' new
 messages habe arrived is caused when 17 messages are stored in the sim.
 when you delete the messages, next time there are just 1 or 2 messages.
 I guess, that on an arrived sms the messages is forgotten to be deleted
 from sim. Maybe that just 1 line of code may be the solution of the
 problem. But I don't know the code, so I can't give a 100% correct
 comment. This are just my expierences.
 
 [..]
 4. I'm told that the echo is back (which wasn't there with Trolltech's
 QT extended image, the one which didn't ring)

   
   
 There is just no echo, because the volume set in QT extended ist quite
 low. with this volume I had no problem with any image.
 
 Does anybody have any ideas on any of these things? apart from this and
 the fact that I can't run any of the cool software being produced for
 2008.x, I like Qt Extended alot!
   
   
 You can't run these apps because QT Extended has no support for GTK-Apps.


 Greetungs Bastian
 
 
 Thanks for your response, unfortunately it doesn't really help solve any
 of the problems i'm having.
 
 My friends are reporting that there *is* an echo, so telling me there's
 no echo doesn't really cut it... :)
 
 -Dale

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 When the Handsfree-option is actevated, I have a heavy echo, too. But
 when Handset is activated, my settings are so low, that no echo is
 hearable. But afaik it depends on signalstrength and provider. And I
 nearly have good signal. For your problem: try to decrease mono-volume.
 This helped me with 2008.x

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That's another problem I have: Sometimes it seems to go to handsfree by
itself: I'll answer the phone and for some reason it'll be in handsfree
mode and I have to switch it to handset.

I'll try playing with volume levels, thanks.

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QT Extended

2008-12-12 Thread Dale Maggee
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Hi,

I'm having a couple of problems with QT Extended (the fixed version from
http://other.lastnetwork.net/OpenMoko/):

1. The predictive keyboard. I deleted the dictionary file as suggested
elsewhere to disable the predictive keyboard, but it still predicts
words which are found in my address book, like people's names, which
makes it even less useful because now it never ever suggests the word
I'm trying to type!

2. The Messaging app - it's doing strange things, like sometimes it
creates duplicates of messages, so I'll see 2 or 3 copies of the same
SMS in my inbox. So I'll move all messages to trash and empty trash,
then a couple of minutes later an SMS will arrive and it'll say '17
messages recieved' and I'll see many duplicates of old messages I just
deleted in my inbox. Also it will only store about 130 messages - is
this storing SMS messages on the SIM? can it be configured to store them
in it's own database?

3. The clock - every time I reboot the device I need to set the clock,
it seems to revert to GMT and not take my timezone into account, or
something. I tried using the 'hwclock --systohc' command but got an error.

4. I'm told that the echo is back (which wasn't there with Trolltech's
QT extended image, the one which didn't ring)

Does anybody have any ideas on any of these things? apart from this and
the fact that I can't run any of the cool software being produced for
2008.x, I like Qt Extended alot!

I'd also like to know if anybody knows if there's a new version of QT
Extended in the works - I've noticed Lorn Potter has been pretty quiet
on these lists lately...

Apologies if this has been asked / solved elsewhere - I had a bit of a
look but couldn't find anything much...

TIA,
- -Dale
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Re: case manufacturing

2008-12-12 Thread Dale Maggee
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rakshat hooja wrote:
 ponoko.com would do it for you, or emachineshop.com
 if you get some pricing, could you let us know -- even your desgin?
 i am still pondering the idea of a new casing ...


 Thanks. will update when I get pricing. My design is still at the idea stage
 - add a USB keyboard (qwerty) into the case design itself. Will make it
 heavier but helps my use case as I want to stop carrying my laptop with me
 when I have the Freerunner and the onscreen kb (illume), though good, is
 slightly small when typing out documents. (Guess I am looking for a
 Blackberry equvalent)
 
 Rakshat

Hi,

I've had this thought before as well - if you end up getting one be sure
to let me know, because I'd love something like this!

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Re: QT Extended

2008-12-12 Thread Dale Maggee
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Lorn Potter wrote:
 Dale Maggee wrote:
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 Hi,

 I'm having a couple of problems with QT Extended (the fixed version from
 http://other.lastnetwork.net/OpenMoko/):

 1. The predictive keyboard. I deleted the dictionary file as suggested
 elsewhere to disable the predictive keyboard, but it still predicts
 words which are found in my address book, like people's names, which
 makes it even less useful because now it never ever suggests the word
 I'm trying to type!

 2. The Messaging app - it's doing strange things, like sometimes it
 creates duplicates of messages, so I'll see 2 or 3 copies of the same
 SMS in my inbox. So I'll move all messages to trash and empty trash,
 then a couple of minutes later an SMS will arrive and it'll say '17
 messages recieved' and I'll see many duplicates of old messages I just
 deleted in my inbox. Also it will only store about 130 messages - is
 this storing SMS messages on the SIM? can it be configured to store them
 in it's own database?

 3. The clock - every time I reboot the device I need to set the clock,
 it seems to revert to GMT and not take my timezone into account, or
 something. I tried using the 'hwclock --systohc' command but got an error.

 4. I'm told that the echo is back (which wasn't there with Trolltech's
 QT extended image, the one which didn't ring)

 Does anybody have any ideas on any of these things? apart from this and
 the fact that I can't run any of the cool software being produced for
 2008.x, I like Qt Extended alot!

 I'd also like to know if anybody knows if there's a new version of QT
 Extended in the works - I've noticed Lorn Potter has been pretty quiet
 on these lists lately...

 Apologies if this has been asked / solved elsewhere - I had a bit of a
 look but couldn't find anything much...
 
 I am still here. Just been busy with other things.
 I will try to get a snapshot out before the solstice.
 

Hi Lorn, thanks for your reply. I look forward to seeing it! :)

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Re: Bounties?

2008-12-03 Thread Dale Maggee

 Just out of curiosity, how many OpenMoko users out there would be
 willing to pay for bounties? Additionally, how many developers would
 work for bounties? What sort of bounties would you guys request? How
 much would you pay?
 

I would certainly pay bounties.

The only problem I see really is that there are many issues which are 
wrapped up together.

For example, I'd happily pay AU$100 to have rock-solid with all the 
basic phone functionality, but for me this means suspend / resume, no 
echo, a simple (as in easy to use and understand) graphical volume 
control which can be adjusted during calls and automatically saves 
changes to the appropriate state file, PIM database and PIM 
synchronisation, Tasks / Calendar / alarms.

 From a user's perspective, these are kind of one big compound issue 
which I'd call give me equal functionality / reliability to a cheap 
nokia, whereas from a developer's perspective they're many small and 
widely diverse things that need to be done / improved.

I certainly think it could be worth somebody setting up a bounties 
website, I believe I've seen similar things in the past...

-Dale

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Re: Koolu announces open-source Android port

2008-12-03 Thread Dale Maggee
Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote:
 Rui Castro wrote:
   
 I downloaded the code from http://git.koolu.org/ and tried to make the
 generic image, simply executing make, but it fails with the following
 error
 --
 make: *** No rule to make target
 `out/host/linux-x86/framework/swt.jar', needed by
 `out/host/common/obj/JAVA_LIBRARIES/sdkstats_intermediates/javalib.jar'.
 Stop.
 --
 

 Have you tried to run the compilation process with:
  make TARGET_PRODUCT=freerunner

 This seems to compile...

   
 What should I do to compile a jffs2 image? Is it possible already?
 

 I don't think that it is automatized, but maybe taking the out/ files,
 comparing and merging them (mostly the settings files like init.rc) with
 the ones from the Sean's image we could get a working rootfs...

   
Is this a seperate porting project to the one we already knew about, or 
are they combining their efforts?


More importantly, does it work as a phone?

-Dale

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Re: [OT]Software patents end? ??:) light at the end of tunnel

2008-11-28 Thread Dale Maggee
David Pottage wrote:
 On Thu, November 27, 2008 7:06 am, Denis Johnson wrote:

   
 ... Preferably using something like http://www.exactaudiocopy.de/ (if
 someone knows a Linux equivalent please chime in)
 

 The linux equivalent is cdparanoia. Like EAC it will produce bit
 perfect rips of audio CDs. It is a command line program

 If you want a GUI, then you can use Grip. It is a GTK based program
 that automates the whole process of ripping, track listing lookups, and
 transcoding to your prefered compressed format. If you have a big stack
 of CDs to rip, then you can easily sit there using your computer for
 other things, and feed in a new CD every few minutes.

   

Thanks for everybody's advice.

some comments:

* Grip is fantastic

* Thanks for observing that mp3 - ogg is lossy, and that I should just 
delete my mp3s and go from CD - ogg where possible

* It's my Hard drive that doesn't support FLAC! If I used flac, my music 
library (I guess mp3 collection will soon become a misnomer!) would be 
*enormous*! Yes, I realise it's lossless etc etc, but 320kpbs mp3s are 
close enough for me.

Thanks,
-Dale

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Re: [OT]Software patents end? ??:) light at the end of tunnel

2008-11-28 Thread Dale Maggee
Denis Johnson wrote:
 On Fri, Nov 28, 2008 at 6:59 PM, Dale Maggee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
 * It's my Hard drive that doesn't support FLAC! If I used flac, my music
 library (I guess mp3 collection will soon become a misnomer!) would be
 *enormous*! Yes, I realise it's lossless etc etc, but 320kpbs mp3s are
 close enough for me.
 

 I understand and agree that from a quality pov MP3 @ 320kpbs is
 sufficient for most, and the amount of space required for your library
 matters, but I was under the impression that FLAC is also a compressed
 format. However I must admit I'm not sure how it compares to MP3 @
 320kpbs

 cheers Denis
   
FLAC *is* compressed, but it's lossless compression, meaning that there 
is no change to the sound when you encode it to FLAC, Whereas when you 
encode to MP3 or ogg, you're losing audio information. Usually it's not 
noticable, and the higher bitrate you choose the less you lose, but 
there is a difference. Personally, I can't hear the difference between 
an audio CD and a 320kbps mp3 on my equipment, but ymmv.

In terms of file size, FLAC is bigger than 320kbps (not sure exactly how 
much bigger, as I don't have much experience with flac, but It's 
substantially bigger). If you have unlimited HDD space and really care 
about audio quality, FLAC is the way to go. If you want some free HDD 
space and decent sounding stuff, 320kbps mp3s (or, more precisely, since 
abandoning mp3 is the whole point of the discussion, the ogg equivalent 
of a 320kbps mp3 - I haven't figured out how ogg's quality scale thing 
works yet) are a very reasonable compromise, and if you can hear the 
difference it pretty much means you're a) using expensive equipment and 
b) a freak of nature. ;)

But really it all comes down to personal taste. If you have a nice big 
HDD, you might even want to encode everything in FLAC and then re-encode 
it at 256kb for burning CDs for use in your car / mp3 player / clock 
radio / fridge / whatever...

-Dale

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Re: [OT]Software patents end? ??:) light at the end of tunnel

2008-11-25 Thread Dale Maggee
Evgeny Karyakin wrote:
 I think this movement will apply on newly-legalizing patents only, it
 will be too much counterforce against it. Patents is vital for
 software giants, it's just a basis of their market activity and
 relevancy.
 As of recent MP3 issue, open-source community can definitely apply
 just a little bit more willingness and forget about deprecated formats
 in favour of new ones. 

On this note, can anybody point me to a piece of software which will 
mass-convert all my mp3s to ogg at the press of a button? It would need 
to preserve all my ID3 Tags etc. We're talking thousands of files / 
gigabytes of data here...

Thanks,
-D

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Re: I realy like them

2008-11-23 Thread Dale Maggee
drac2000 wrote:
 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Jokes http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Jokes :-p
   
Just for the record, these were contributed by various people here:
http://www.mail-archive.com/community@lists.openmoko.org/msg33921.html

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Re: Your favorite ringtones? (especially .sid?)

2008-11-20 Thread Dale Maggee
The Best SID ever is the theme from R-Type, IMHO. It also makes a 
fantastic ringtone. The only problem with having this as a ringtone is 
that you tend not to answer the phone because you're boogie-ing along to 
the awesome ringtone.

Other notable Sids include music from:
- IK+ (International Karate Plus)
- Maniac Mansion
- Robocop
- Bubble bobble
 
There are literally thousands of SIDs available. To find them, you 
really can't go past the High Voltage Sid Collection, which somebody 
else linked to. When it came out, the SID chip in the c64 was considered 
a very advanced sound chip, so the C64 music scene thrived. There are 
still people (like me!) who still listen to sid files to this day.

If you can't be bothered looking at the thousands of sids in the HVSC, 
try checking out the top 100:
http://www.transbyte.org/SID/HVSC_Top100.html

I was gratified to see all of my recommendations except for bubble 
bobble and maniac mansion in the top 100.

If you can't be bothered testing each SID tune on your Neo, get yourself 
a sid player plugin for your audio software (personally, I use XMMS and 
the XMMS-SID plugin) to listen to them on your PC. There are also 
standalone SID players if you can't find a plugin.

Enjoy!
-Dale

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi,
 I'm looking for a new ringtone (I like the arkanoid theme, but I need  
 a change).  If you have one you like, could you let me (us) know?

 Tobias mentions a place to find .sids in his email below -- I just  
 couldn't go through all of them.

 Thanks,
 Eric



 Tobias Gruetzmacher wrote:
   
 Hi,

 Here is a patch for frameworkd that allows to inject gstreamer options
 into file names for the audio playing service. I wrote it because I
 wanted to use the title music from Giana Sisters as a ring tone, which
 is tune number 5 in Great_Giana_Sisters_PSID.sid ;)

 This patch is very generic to allow any option to be injected from the
 file name. It may be desirable to restrict this to specific options, but
 currently this allows everything, so you can easily break playing
 altogether...

 So if you really want to hear Einigkeit und Recht und Freiheit in
 glorious 3-channel SID, grab yourself a copy of
 http://hafnium.prg.dtu.dk/HVSC/C64Music/GAMES/S-Z/Summer_Games.sid,
 place it in /usr/share/sounds and set Summer_Games.sid;tune=5 as your
 ring tone.

 Or a manic laughter when an SMS arrives? Try
 http://hafnium.prg.dtu.dk/HVSC/C64Music/MUSICIANS/L/Lieblich_Russell/Ghostbusters_PSID.sid
 and set Ghostbusters_PSID.sid;tune=4 as your message tone.

 Well, you get the idea. :)

 Since I'm not very fluent with Python, please point out anything I might
 have done wrong. Hope you like the patch.

 Greetings, Tobias



 

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Re: The forbidden topic: Glamo OpenGL

2008-11-20 Thread Dale Maggee
hehehe, it's good to see OM people having a sense of humour as well! :)

Steve Mosher wrote:
 they don't already?
   please issue a ticket. we'll fix the bug.

 George Brooke wrote:
   
 On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 00:01:47 +1100
 Dale Maggee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 Tig wrote:
   
 Ok I will bite :)

 Q:  Why did OM cross the road?
 A:  To get to another toolkit :)

 Q:  How many OM devs does it take to change a lightbulb?
 A:  Well first we need to abandon the old lightbulb holder because
 at a later date we may not be able to plug a floodlight in,  bring
 in a new lightbulb holder and adapt it to multiple floodlights,
 meanwhile the engineering team has realized that this will only run
 green floodlights and has started rewiring the whole house.. :)
 The burnt out lightbulb is due to be fixed at a later date :) 

 Please not this is not a cue for a thread on lightbulb analogies :)

 Q:  What is the difference between a professional photographer and
 OM user? A:  The OM user has to flash more often :)

 Q:  Why did the OM newbie log onto #openmoko?
 A:  Because they had not read:
 a)  the wiki
 and
 b)  the topic

 As then they would know you slide your finder up on the
 keyboard to get the numbers to enter your sim pin.

 I will be here all week,  try the salad :)

 Regards (apologies for posting via gmane moving e-mail around) 


   
 
 Hehe, love the lightbulb one!

 Q: What's the difference between an iphone and a freerunner?
 A: One works but takes away your freedom, the other is free but needs 
 your work

 Knock, Knock
 Who's There?
 A Neo User
 A Neo User

 Q: What did the Neo say to the insomniac?
 A: At least when you go to sleep you know you'll wake up!

 Ancient chinese proverb: Neo owner is man carrying wall charger

 And I've saved my favorite for last:

 Q: What's the difference between a brick and a freerunner?
 A: A brick isn't designed to make phone calls.

 ;)

 -Dale

 (All in good fun)
   
 Maybe these should appear on the splash screen of the Neos

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Re: The forbidden topic: Glamo OpenGL

2008-11-20 Thread Dale Maggee

Warren Baird wrote:

OM2008.9 and FSO walk into a bar.   How are you?  How are you? asks FSO.
Buzzz says OM2008.9
  


LOL!

(for once, usage of that horrible acronym is actually appropriate - I 
really did laugh out loud!)


this is my new splash screen... :D


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Re: The forbidden topic: Glamo OpenGL

2008-11-19 Thread Dale Maggee



Maybe these should appear on the splash screen of the Neos

solar.george
  


Brilliant!

1. Save either attachment somewhere
2. Use NeoTool or 'dfu-util -a splash -R -D filename' to flash the new 
splash to your neo

3. power down then turn on your neo
4. Laugh.

:D

-Dale


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Description: GNU Zip compressed data


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Re: The forbidden topic: Glamo OpenGL

2008-11-18 Thread Dale Maggee
Tig wrote:
 Ok I will bite :)

 Q:  Why did OM cross the road?
 A:  To get to another toolkit :)

 Q:  How many OM devs does it take to change a lightbulb?
 A:  Well first we need to abandon the old lightbulb holder because at a later
 date we may not be able to plug a floodlight in,  bring in a new lightbulb
 holder and adapt it to multiple floodlights,  meanwhile the engineering team 
 has
 realized that this will only run green floodlights and has started rewiring 
 the
 whole house.. :)  The burnt out lightbulb is due to be fixed at a later date 
 :) 

 Please not this is not a cue for a thread on lightbulb analogies :)

 Q:  What is the difference between a professional photographer and OM user?
 A:  The OM user has to flash more often :)

 Q:  Why did the OM newbie log onto #openmoko?
 A:  Because they had not read:
 a)  the wiki
 and
 b)  the topic

 As then they would know you slide your finder up on the keyboard to get 
 the
 numbers to enter your sim pin.

 I will be here all week,  try the salad :)

 Regards (apologies for posting via gmane moving e-mail around) 


   
Hehe, love the lightbulb one!

Q: What's the difference between an iphone and a freerunner?
A: One works but takes away your freedom, the other is free but needs 
your work

Knock, Knock
Who's There?
A Neo User
A Neo User

Q: What did the Neo say to the insomniac?
A: At least when you go to sleep you know you'll wake up!

Ancient chinese proverb: Neo owner is man carrying wall charger

And I've saved my favorite for last:

Q: What's the difference between a brick and a freerunner?
A: A brick isn't designed to make phone calls.

;)

-Dale

(All in good fun)

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Re: NeoTool/dfu-util bug - No such Alternate Setting: rootfs

2008-11-06 Thread Dale Maggee
Hi,

Are you using the latest version of NeoTool? v1.1 and up should be able 
to detect and handle this situation by presenting you with a screen 
asking you which dfu-capable device you want to flash.

If you are using the latest version, please run 'dfu-util -l' and post 
the output here.

Regards,
-Dale

Mikko Ohtamaa wrote:
 Symptoms dfu-util/Neotool fails to flash Openmoko when using wiki.openmoko.org
 instructions:

 sudo ./dfu-util.1 -a rootfs -R -D 
 Fat_and_Dirty_OM.200809_20081023.rootfs.jffs2 
 dfu-util - (C) 2007 by OpenMoko Inc.
 This program is Free Software and has ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY

 Opening USB Device 0x:0x...
 Claiming USB DFU Runtime Interface...
 Determining device status: state = dfuIDLE, status = 0
 WARNING: Runtime device already in DFU state ?!?
 No such Alternate Setting: rootfs

 Cause: 

 Neotool/dfu-util automatically picks wrong USB device - it must pick this one 

 Found DFU Runtime: [0x1457:0x5119] devnum=0, cfg=0, intf=2, alt=0, name=USB
 Device Firmware Upgrade

 In my case, the wrong device was something built into my laptop:

 Bus 005 Device 003: ID 03f0:181d Hewlett-Packard 

 Workaround:

 Use dfu-util -d parameter to specify device id manually.




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Re: NeoTool/dfu-util bug - No such Alternate Setting: rootfs

2008-11-06 Thread Dale Maggee
Mikko Ohtamaa wrote:
 Symptoms dfu-util/Neotool fails to flash Openmoko when using wiki.openmoko.org
 instructions:

 sudo ./dfu-util.1 -a rootfs -R -D 
 Fat_and_Dirty_OM.200809_20081023.rootfs.jffs2 
 dfu-util - (C) 2007 by OpenMoko Inc.
 This program is Free Software and has ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY

 Opening USB Device 0x:0x...
 Claiming USB DFU Runtime Interface...
 Determining device status: state = dfuIDLE, status = 0
 WARNING: Runtime device already in DFU state ?!?
 No such Alternate Setting: rootfs

 Cause: 

 Neotool/dfu-util automatically picks wrong USB device - it must pick this one 

 Found DFU Runtime: [0x1457:0x5119] devnum=0, cfg=0, intf=2, alt=0, name=USB
 Device Firmware Upgrade

 In my case, the wrong device was something built into my laptop:

 Bus 005 Device 003: ID 03f0:181d Hewlett-Packard 

 Workaround:

 Use dfu-util -d parameter to specify device id manually.




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Re: NeoTool - v1.2 available

2008-11-01 Thread Dale Maggee

 Thanks for Neotool!
   
You're welcome! :)

 Found a typo: Neotool Configurification (instead of Configuration)
 And menu item 'setup neotool' takes to 'neotool configuration', a
 consistency in the names would make it easier to use.
   
Are you sure that it's inconsistent? I just had a look and I don't see 
configuration anywhere, I believe it's pretty consistently called 
configurification. Are you using the new v1.2? It could be that I had 
configuration in there somewhere, spotted and changed it, but didn't 
include it in the changelog. This is not a typo, it's a word I invented 
ages back and quite like... ;)

 Could you add 'backup home folder' option there as well, maybe even
 'Backup µSD card'? I know it's slow but some users might find it
 useful to backup some scripts they've created. I might also have
 understood this wrong that backing up rootfs does this (but the files
 are not easily accessible?)
   
Backup home Is actually already on my todo list, as it's something 
I've wanted to do, so yes, I definitely will add that, once I get the 
time. Backup MicroSD is a great suggestion, too, I'll put it on the todo 
list as well.

 I also noticed that (Kubuntu intrepid, kde4) for some reason always
 when I click a button on NeoTool the new view is opened behind another
 open window.
   
That's odd, and to be honest I have absolutely no idea why it's 
happening - I'd guess that it's an issue with either zenity or kde4, or 
a combination of both, but I really don't know about that one! All I can 
really say is that's not supposed to be happening and it doesn't do 
that for me! (Fedora, gnome). Anybody who has a suggestion is welcome 
to add their $0.02!


 Great tool, thanks!
   

Ooooh, praise! You're very welcome! :)

-Dale

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Determine Distro?

2008-11-01 Thread Dale Maggee
Hi,

Does anyone know a way to determine which distro I have on my freerunner 
from the command line? I'm looking into adding the ability for NeoTool 
to import and export contacts, but to do that I'd need a way to 
determine whether the user has 2007.2, Qtopia, 2008.x, or FSO installed.

I was thinking that one thing I could do would be 'which addressbook' to 
find Qtopia / 2008.x, but does anybody have a better suggestion?

Regards,
-Dale

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Re: Determine Distro?

2008-11-01 Thread Dale Maggee
Tim Churchard wrote:
 Dale Maggee wrote:
   
 Hi,

 Does anyone know a way to determine which distro I have on my freerunner 
 from the command line? I'm looking into adding the ability for NeoTool 
 to import and export contacts, but to do that I'd need a way to 
 determine whether the user has 2007.2, Qtopia, 2008.x, or FSO installed.

 I was thinking that one thing I could do would be 'which addressbook' to 
 find Qtopia / 2008.x, but does anybody have a better suggestion?

   
 
 cat /etc/om-version   will tell you which branch of code you're running
 (eg org.openmoko.asu.stable {200?.?  FDOM} or fso / shr  - qtopia
 probably also has one of these?

   
thanks, but there's no /etc/om-version in 2007.2...

-Dale


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Re: NeoTool - v1.2 available

2008-11-01 Thread Dale Maggee

 nice work!
   

Thanks
 could i make a feature request? as there is a link on the om site
 pointing to the 'latest' kernel/uboot/rootfs to download, could
 neotool be developed further, to download it and then flash it all in
 one step?

 or is this impossible because a long pause (while the file's being
 downloaded) at the uboot screen will cause the neo to carry on
 booting? or is there a way round this, i.e. telling the neo to wait
 for an indefinite amount of time, or tricking it into thinking
 something is happening while the file downloads?
   
I've had this thought, too - it has occurred to me that a 'download 
latest release' option would be cool...

It's not impossible because of the pause while downloading, I'd just 
make NeoTool download the file before showing the About to flash, 
Please boot to the menu message.

There are a few problems, though:

One problem I had was determining where to get the files, and how to 
tell when there's a new release - I'd rather not hard code addresses 
into it, so for this to work there would need to be something like:

http://downloads.openmoko.com/releases/latest/release.jffs2
http://downloads.openmoko.com/releases/latest/kernel.bin

you say there is a link on the om site pointing to the 'latest' 
kernel/uboot/rootfs to download... which link are you referring to?

Another issue I had was determining which files to download: I'd need to 
prompt to find out whether to get the GTA01 or GTA02 files.

Alternatively, I guess it would be possible to traverse 
downloads.openmoko.org and present a menu allowing the user to specify 
what to download, but I don't know how to at the moment, and this is 
basically duplicating the functionality of pointing your browser to this 
address, so it seems kind of redundant to me.

In the end I decided not to do it because I figured I'd basically be 
duplicating your browser's functionality, and that I would be better off 
devoting my efforts to more Neo-specific stuff, like adding the ability 
to backup.

If anybody has any other Ideas on how I might go about implementing 
this, I'd love to hear them.

-Dale

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Re: Determine Distro?

2008-11-01 Thread Dale Maggee
Charles Pax wrote:
 On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 10:03 AM, Dale Maggee [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:

   
 Does anyone know a way to determine which distro I have on my freerunner
 from the command line? I'm looking into adding the ability for NeoTool
 to import and export contacts, but to do that I'd need a way to
 determine whether the user has 2007.2, Qtopia, 2008.x, or FSO installed.

 

 Have you considered writing a plugin for Conduit [1]? It can synchronize
 across a network two evolution data servers, so Conduit + USB networking
 could make for a nice solution.

 -Charles Pax

 [1] http://www.conduit-project.org/
   
I'm still learning bash, so no, I haven't considered that! I just want 
to automate using the existing tools to import and export vcf files...

-D

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NeoTool - v1.2 available

2008-10-31 Thread Dale Maggee
All,

Just a quick note to announce a new version of NeoTool.

Life has interfered with my ability to work on this lately, so there are 
only a couple of smallish changes:

- Changed information at pre-flash prompt to include instructions for 
how to get to the NOR menu.
eliminated any mention of NAND, as everything can be flashed from NOR.

- bugfix - when user selects a filename under 'customize backup 
filenames' and then presses cancel,
the selected filename was set to nothing.

- NeoTool now checks that the path of backup files exist, and attempts 
to create it if it doesn't.
This allows you to organise your backups in a folder hierarchy, i.e 
set the backup filename to:
/data/openmoko/backups/{date}/{image}_backup
and the {date} directory will be created by NeoTool, assuming 
/data/openmoko/backups exists
and you have permission.

Info / Download link:
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/NeoTool

Enjoy,
-Dale

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Re: [Fwd: [Bug 288747] Re: [needs-packaging] neotool]

2008-10-31 Thread Dale Maggee
Wow, cool! Does this mean that there's now a debian package?

I just saw your other message about this, does this mean that the issues 
you were having are solved?

Great stuff.

It would be great if you could update the NeoTool wiki page with 
instructions on installing on debian / ubuntu. I don't run debian or 
ubuntu, so don't know much about their packaging systems...

Regards,
-Dale


Pander wrote:
 NeoTool package for Ubuntu
   

 

 Subject:
 [Bug 288747] Re: [needs-packaging] neotool
 From:
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 Date:
 Fri, 31 Oct 2008 20:35:09 -
 To:
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 To:
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]


 I made a package for Debian and uploaded it to mentors.debian.net, see
 http://mentors.debian.net/cgi-bin/sponsor-
 pkglist?action=details;package=neotool

 Debian bug report: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-
 bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=504131

 ** Changed in: ubuntu
  Assignee: (unassigned) = Heikki Mäntysaari (heikki-mantysaari)
Status: New = In Progress

 ** Also affects: debian via
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=504131
Importance: Unknown
Status: Unknown

   
 

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Re: GTA03 - buttons or touchscreen

2008-10-27 Thread Dale Maggee
Jelle De Loecker wrote:

 Dale Maggee schreef:
 Jelle De Loecker wrote:
  
 I wonder if most people's need for a physical keyboard is a 
 consequence of the GTA02's small screen. (Well, it's too small to 
 use as a screen AND a keyboard at the same time, I think)

 Just make the screen big enough to use the virtual keyboard easily, 
 I think the iPhone proved it can work this way.

 For me, adding a keyboard will just add more bagage to the phone 
 which I really do not want.

 /Met vriendelijke groeten,/

 *Jelle De Loecker*
 Kipdola Studios - Tomberg

 
 The reason I want a physical keyboard is because I much prefer a 
 keyboard with tactile feedback - you can feel the button, and you can 
 feel it click down when you press it. Tactile feedback makes typing 
 both faster and more accurate. These are things which a soft keyboard 
 can never hope to provide.
   

 That's very true, and I did take it into consideration.
 (It also made me think of some technology which WOULD supply tactile 
 feedback through touchscreens, something I read about a while ago and 
 found again here: http://www.redferret.net/?p=9533 )

 Anyway, I understand why you would prefer a keyboard, but I do not 
 believe it can be made big enough for the GTA03 while not hindering 
 the aesthetics of the device.

That's an interesting article you pointed me to, but unfortunately it's 
only half way there - the ability to feel the key is probably more 
important than the 'click' feeling. A key has edges, and the feel of the 
key under your finger means you don't have to be looking at the keyboard 
to be able to type. Again, a soft keyboard can never achieve this.

example:
http://www.imate-shop.com/images/MOB0450a.jpg

granted, we have a bigger screen, but there's no reason why the keyboard 
couldn't fold out from somewhere.

I'm not really interested in what it looks like, I'll take functional 
over asthetically pleasing any day.

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Re: GTA03 - buttons or touchscreen

2008-10-26 Thread Dale Maggee
Jelle De Loecker wrote:
 I wonder if most people's need for a physical keyboard is a 
 consequence of the GTA02's small screen. (Well, it's too small to use 
 as a screen AND a keyboard at the same time, I think)

 Just make the screen big enough to use the virtual keyboard easily, I 
 think the iPhone proved it can work this way.

 For me, adding a keyboard will just add more bagage to the phone which 
 I really do not want.

 /Met vriendelijke groeten,/

 *Jelle De Loecker*
 Kipdola Studios - Tomberg

The reason I want a physical keyboard is because I much prefer a 
keyboard with tactile feedback - you can feel the button, and you can 
feel it click down when you press it. Tactile feedback makes typing both 
faster and more accurate. These are things which a soft keyboard can 
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Re: GTA03 - buttons or touchscreen

2008-10-25 Thread Dale Maggee
definitely 3) qwerty + touchscreen

This shouldn't be too hard to do, I don't think it's too much to ask of 
OM - surely the keyboard could be a built-in USB keyboard, which would 
mean that all the software etc is already there. All we'd need is a way 
to disable the on-screen keyboard, something we'll want for 
bluetooth/USB keyboards on the GTA02 anyway...

-Dale

JW wrote:
 Ok Community,

 vote and tell OM what you want for the next phone

 [also realise this is still a long time away and Freerunner is available to 
 buy
 now!]

 1) touchscreen (no qwerty buttons) - freerunner, HTC Orbit, iphone
 2) qwerty keyboard and tracker ball - blackberry curve
 3) combination touchscreen plus qwerty - G1

 ***
 Please don't write endless pages about why - just indicate which one YOU want.
 ***

 For myself my vote is

 1) no, my HTC orbit experience was horrible (yes, i realise there are better)
 2) yes, my preferred user input method - intuitive, fast, flexible
 3) no, i think combo is too much to ask from OM right now

 ciao
 JW


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Re: Finger Keyboard

2008-10-24 Thread Dale Maggee
on 2007.2:

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File ./fingerkeyboard.py, line 62, in module
import etk
ImportError: No module named etk

:(

I also like the Idea, though, but some thoughts:

- The fullscreen keyboard should also have a 'paste' button, so that 
when you select the field (i.e: a cursor appears), the fullscreen 
keyboard immediately pops up, you type what you want, and you press the 
'ok / paste' button which makes the fullscreen keyboard dissappear and 
pastes the text you've entered into the text field. Maybe this could 
even be the enter key?

- I'd prefer not having to go from portrait to landscape and back every 
time I have to type something - if this could be done in portrait mode 
somehow, that would be very nice.

- if at all possible, making it terminal-friendly would also be a bonus. 
I'm thinking that certain keys (like the arrow keys) should immediately 
send that key signal, rather than having to arrow / paste. But then 
maybe the terminal isn't very friendly to a fullscreen keyboard...

-Dale

Leonti Bielski wrote:
 Did not tested it yet, but I think a big keyboard is a good idea.
 Big keyboard with a tiny text field (reasonably tiny :)) would be great to
 rapid texting without any guessing system.
 Leonti

 On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 3:28 PM, Marco Trevisan (Treviño)
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:

   
 Nik Lutz wrote:
 
 The code is a real hack - I see it as a proof of concept for my initial
   
 idea:
 
 The keyboard should have two modes.
 - A fullscreen-mode with plenty of space for big buttons and a textfield.
 - a minimized-mode with at least two buttons: one to switch to
 fullscreen. The second to PASTE the text that was written in
 fullscreen-mode to the target.
   
 I've not tested your keyboard due to some python errors (etk.TextView
 wasn't recognized, and I had not time to workaround/fix it; however the
 idea is really nice to me. I'd like to get a keyboard exactly like that
 (and with a dictionary-based typo check like the illume standard
 keyboard does)!

 I think that just adding to the Illume keyboard the ability of going
 fullscreen (after rotating to landscape) with an its own text field to
 be used as a temporary text field would be cool!

 --
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Re: Is Openmoko working on their 'back to basics' plan?

2008-10-24 Thread Dale Maggee
John,

Thank you very much, it's reassuring to hear these updates and to know 
that you guys are indeed working on it. I think that you'll make alot of 
people very happy if you keep updates like this coming!

Don't let a couple of negative opinions worry you. Personally I've had 
times when I've screamed 'god damn OM!' to myself, although I do my best 
to refrain from making any negative comments like that in public because 
it's not constructive and I'd rather encourage you guys. But I think 
it's safe to say that many of us have been frustrated at one point or 
another by an apparent lack of progress towards a working phone in the 
past. Also, many of us were overjoyed when you made the 'back to basics' 
announcement, and therefore can't wait to see some results.

Keeping us in the loop with whatever you can, even if it's very minimal, 
will stop people from being impatient and frustrated. This update is a 
very good thing, and I hope to see more of these updates (or, better, 
images / updated software!) as often as you can manage it! :)

-Dale

P.S: Boot time reduced by one minute already?!? nice work! :O


John Lee wrote:
 Dear community,

 http://onlinedev.blogspot.com/2008/10/is-openmoko-working-on-there-back-to.html

 And please read my comment below.  I have to say I don't like opinions
 like this but I will take it as a result of high expectation.  We will
 keep sending to the public list once we have something, commit to
 public scm, etc. but we certainly won't do _weekly_ release.  For now
 please be patient and let the engineers work.


 Now for the status update this week:

 Tick merged the qtopia echo patch (#1267), it works, no echo but the
 audio sounds a little bit less 'vivid' (not sure if this is the right
 word).  He is now working on the touch screen usage, see
 http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/devel/2008-October/002712.html

 Olv and Erin is working on reducing boot time.  Currently it's reduced
 from 2:35 (Om2008.9) to around 1:40.  One minute less in one week, and
 Olv just got back from hospital last Monday.  We will merge this into
 OE once we get it organized properly.

 Jeremy is working together with kernel guy (aka Matt Hsu) to look into
 the possible improvement, namely take a screenshot and show it first
 during resume.  It's a common technique in mobile phone.

 Julian is working on the python loader.  He is new to python but he
 got very good helps here in the office such as Guillaume, etc.  He
 still got some distro work to finish so it's going to take a while
 before he can work full time on this.

 Currently we have a major blocker #2071.  It can be solved by update
 EFL, but no icons will show up in illume.  This seems to be a
 different bug, but we are having an evas-native related issue on the
 build server so the EFL packages are not updated correctly in
 downloads.openmoko.org.  This prevents people from confirming it and
 fire another bug.

 EFL ABI changed along with the svn rev increment last week, so
 Installer and Locations won't work without rebuilding.  Although
 people already got reassigned, but nobody will give Om2008 love except
 us and holger, so we will fix the issues above and update testing repo
 soon.


 Regards,
 John

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Re: Back to the basics: improving user experience

2008-10-23 Thread Dale Maggee
One thing I forgot to mention about 2007.2: Accelerometers don't work, 
which is kinda annoying.

In terms of 2007.2 being maintained, I wouldn't hold your breath. SHR 
could be interesting, though...

-Dale


Giovanni wrote:
 I'm also still using 2007.2, which is reasonably stable.

 I have the same usage/behavior as Dale Maggee wrote.

 I also hope that 2007.2 can be improved and maintained until there is a
 really stable distro.



 On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 1:17 PM, Dale Maggee [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:

   
 I'm still using 2007.2, because in my experience it does have the most
 solid phone/sms functionality.

 It's far from perfect, though:
 - Suspend / resume is a dog, and since it's not being worked on any more
 I'm doubtful that this will ever be fixed. I have suspend and resume
 turned off, and use the 'dim only, don't lock' option, which turns off
 and locks the screen (despite the label), but doesn't suspend it. This
 gives reasonable reliability, but means you're limited to about 4-6
 hours of battery life.

 - hangs - after amassing quite a few SMS's and a large call history, it
 takes a *long* time to open the dialler or the messaging application.
 During this time it's sitting at 99% CPU utilization. It works, but you
 need to be patient. Thankfully the dialler seems to pop up quickly when
 you're recieving a call.

 - Lockups - after using it for a while, it seems to require rebooting
 about once every 2 days or so - it just seems to freeze for no apparent
 reason. This may be due to something I've done.

 I'm impressed by Qtopia and by FSO3, but both have caveats which for me
 meant using 2007.2. I'm not a fan of ASU / 2008.x at all, although I am
 about to give FDOM a try.

 -Dale

 Warren Baird wrote:
 
 I must admit I never tried 2007.2 - but the things I read about it
   
 suggested
 
 that it also wasn't very stable - people recommended using Qtopia if you
 wanted a stable phone experience.

 Does 2007.2 really provide a rock-solid phone/sms experience?

 Warren

 On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 1:58 PM, Johny Tenfinger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:


   
 On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 19:54, Warren Baird [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:

 
 Until I'm convinced those items are addressed, my $400 FR is going to

   
 remain turned off in my backpack, and my friends who bought iPhones will
 
 continue to laugh at me for 'wasting' my money on such a 'phone'.
 
  *please*
 
 give me some ammunition to use against them!

 Use the 2007.2, Luke!


 
 

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Re: Back to the basics: improving user experience

2008-10-22 Thread Dale Maggee
I'm still using 2007.2, because in my experience it does have the most 
solid phone/sms functionality.

It's far from perfect, though:
- Suspend / resume is a dog, and since it's not being worked on any more 
I'm doubtful that this will ever be fixed. I have suspend and resume 
turned off, and use the 'dim only, don't lock' option, which turns off 
and locks the screen (despite the label), but doesn't suspend it. This 
gives reasonable reliability, but means you're limited to about 4-6 
hours of battery life.

- hangs - after amassing quite a few SMS's and a large call history, it 
takes a *long* time to open the dialler or the messaging application. 
During this time it's sitting at 99% CPU utilization. It works, but you 
need to be patient. Thankfully the dialler seems to pop up quickly when 
you're recieving a call.

- Lockups - after using it for a while, it seems to require rebooting 
about once every 2 days or so - it just seems to freeze for no apparent 
reason. This may be due to something I've done.

I'm impressed by Qtopia and by FSO3, but both have caveats which for me 
meant using 2007.2. I'm not a fan of ASU / 2008.x at all, although I am 
about to give FDOM a try.

-Dale

Warren Baird wrote:
 I must admit I never tried 2007.2 - but the things I read about it suggested
 that it also wasn't very stable - people recommended using Qtopia if you
 wanted a stable phone experience.

 Does 2007.2 really provide a rock-solid phone/sms experience?

 Warren

 On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 1:58 PM, Johny Tenfinger [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:

   
 On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 19:54, Warren Baird [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
 
 Until I'm convinced those items are addressed, my $400 FR is going to
   
 remain turned off in my backpack, and my friends who bought iPhones will 
 continue to laugh at me for 'wasting' my money on such a 'phone'.  *please*
 give me some ammunition to use against them!

 Use the 2007.2, Luke!

 

   
 

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Re: Openmoko Community newsletter, October 4th to 19th

2008-10-20 Thread Dale Maggee
as others have said, thanks alot for your work with these updates Minh! 
Great stuff!

Minh Ha Duong wrote:
 Hello everybody,

 welcome to the unofficial Openmoko Community newsletter, October 4th to 19th 
 issue. The two big news are the launch of opkg.org, an application directory, 
 and Openmoko engineering team focusing back to the basics on Improving user 
 experience.

 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/October_19th%2C_2008#Applications

 Contents

 * 1 Images
 * 2 Applications
 * 3 Good fixes and discussed issues
 * 4 Community
 * 5 Outside Openmoko

 Images

 Things were rather quiet on the distribution front. Rasterman's October 11th 
 images (source) were put online. This is not really a distribution, but 
 rather a demonstration that illume runs well and is so beautiful, for others 
 distros to grab. We also saw daily SHR image builds online, no release yet 
 but available for testing. And Qi, the next bootloader, recently got resume 
 support.Testing shows that it is much faster than uboot indeed, but no 
 release yet either.

 Applications

 Everybody applauded when Tobias announced http://opkg.org , an online 
 directory of applications (think Freshmeat, Tucows...). The database is 
 community-driven, everybody can register and index applications. In the flow 
 of community developped utilities, I noticed:

 * the initial release of OpenMooCow, a nice, funny and useless bovine 
 noise simulator.
 * Optimizations on Rotate. This is an interesting example of competition 
 and cooperation (community development, if you prefer), because there are 
 many versions being developed in parallel, with ideas jumping across all the 
 time.
 * The Gestures GSoC project developper managed to convince his academic 
 instructors to let him code on the FreeRunner for his degree. Future 
 developments coming at http://AccelSense.org
 * Auxlaunch is a very simple, finger-friendly application launcher and 
 window switcher for the Freerunner. It appears when the AUX button is 
 pressed. 

 With respect to porting other applications to our favorite platform, I read 
 that Intel's made powertop actually runs on the FreeRunner. This is an very 
 handy utility that allows to measure and therefore optimize power usage. 
 Also:

 * FBReader an e-book reader programme now available for Debian and 2008.8
 * Sander ported Pingus the free lemmings clone, for OE based 
 distributions 
 (it was already available on Debian).
 * In addition to minimo, openmoko-browser2, and midori, we saw a bunch of 
 light and fast web browsers announced on the mailing list: Fennec), Dillo 
 (ipk), NetSurf and links2. That makes about seven, working more or less well. 
 Choice, choice, choice...
 * The same is happening for music players: pythm, openmoko-mediaplayer2, 
 qtopia media player, deforaOS-player, qmmp, sonata, quasar. Thomas's K. also 
 started a mediaplayer. So far I think that your best friend is mplayer from 
 the command line interface (and on 2008.8, I think that mplayer is directly 
 connected to OSS, so installing OSS compatibility packages probably help. And 
 removing pulseaudio also saves tons of CPU cycles) 

 Good fixes and discussed issues

 Many good news:

 * There is a fix for ticket 2038 about Qtopia USSD requests, so that 
 dialing *123 or #4 should work soon.
 * There is a fix for ticket 1024, the GSM keeps reregistering bug, a.k.a. 
 bouncing Calypso issue. The workaround is to prevent the modem from entering 
 deep sleep, and it has been commited to the QTopia images already.
 * Powersaving patches landed in stable-2.6.26 on October 8th. Note to 
 application developpers: the best way to blank the screen to conserve power 
 is the fbdev-ioctl method. I think that xset s 5 should do it. Thanks to the 
 Harald and the Swisscom research project !
 * OM announced two hires: Ray Chao, to work full-time in Taipei on the 
 infrastructure, and Christopher Hall, a very experienced software engineer.
 * Infrastructure-wise, unstable development of OM is moving back to OE. 

 Too many bugs remain, see Test reports for example. Most of the grief heard 
 these days was about Digital Audio Playing and Wifi. I would like to make an 
 unrequested announcement for the sake of the good vertical communication: 
 Kernels currently has the APM power management interface is still compiled 
 in. This has been deprecated for years and is doomed to go away. Hopefully 
 apm -s will still work for suspend, but userspace applications that still use 
 the deprecated apm interface SHOULD take action, preferably sooner than 
 later.

 Community

 * Openmoko's engineers reunited for a 3 weeks workshop in Taipei. They 
 decided to focus back on the basics, that is to leave the Installer, 
 Locations, Diversity and Settings applications alone for a while. This 
 decision was very positively received by everybody. John Lee is assembling 
 the engineering 

Re: Back to the basics: improving user experience

2008-10-19 Thread Dale Maggee
arne anka wrote:
 ==Pim device==
 


 imho that's exactly the kind of task openmoko did _not_ ask for.
   
I would respectfully disagree - Openmoko asked about Improving user 
experience, and users are saying they want to experience PIM capabilities.

 there are a lot of posts lately completely ignoring the point of basics  
 and no eyecandy
I haven't seen anybody ask for pretty-looking PIM applications, people 
seem to be asking for *reliable* PIM applications. I'd call reliability 
and robustness basic.
 pim frinst is at it's best part of a middle tier, but rather of a  
 particular distribution -- 
This kind of comes into the Should FSO merge be sped up? debate, as I 
believe the framework has PIM stuff built into it.
 and it's doable by community!
   
Agreed, it could be done by the community, but I don't see anyone doing 
it, and I'm not smart enough, nor do I have the time at the moment.

 there are several task which require knowledge of the hardware and access  
 to nda'ed docs, which in turn means they are best or exclusively solved by  
 openmoko's limited forces.
   

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Re: Weekly Engineering News 41/2008: back to the basics

2008-10-17 Thread Dale Maggee
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Risto H. Kurppa wrote:
 Hi!

 Just want to make sure everyone knows that the weekly engineering news
 has been released again, see
 http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td1336450|a1336450

 I want to highlight this:
 We decided to focus our
 engineering on just the basics, even less eye candy: Robust kernel,
 fast boot time, basic telephony with great audio quality, powerful
 configuration from the command line, hardware quality. That's it.
 We will stop working on our Installer, Locations, Diversity and
 Settings applications. We will get back to all this when the rest is
 rock solid, but now is not the time. Feel free to pickup any of these
 projects in the meantime

 I suppose this is generally a good thing to let the community do what
 it can do (as long as community has the tools and so on to do it) and
 Openmoko focus on the core stuff.

 Comments?



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Re: Back to the basics: improving user experience

2008-10-17 Thread Dale Maggee
My 1/50th of a dollar...

A lot of people have made some really good points and suggestions here. 
Here's what I'd like to see personally, in order of priority, with 
absolutely no consideration given to feasability or difficulty what I 
want ;) :

1. rock-solid phone / sms functionality, with rock-solid suspend and 
resume.  I know that these are two seperate issues, but  I see Suspend 
and resume as being a neccessary part of having it work as a daily-use, 
reliable phone (for the simple reason of battery life). Having it as a 
solid, daily-use phone is my biggest priority.

2. This also comes into the 'daily use phone' category: the echo / 
volume issues. Since settings which work for some people don't seem to 
work for others, I think that one way to sort this out might be to 
create a sensibly-labelled volume control (preferrably as a 
finger-usable GUI) which has the ability to load and store states. This 
has been suggested elsewhere

3. Sort out the Distros / Software stack.
I agree with the comments that the FSO integration should be sped up. 
FSO seems very nice and solid to me, but unfortunately it's incomplete 
in terms of using it as a phone. The PIM database is the biggest thing 
missing here. I think that bringing the FSO framework into the main 
distro should be a priority,  because this will allow you guys to 
organise your efforts better and remove duplication - why continue to 
work on something that's going to be phased out in X months?

4. Calendar / Alarm / PIM.

I'd call this 'secondary phone functionality', in that it's the kind of 
functionality you see in pretty much any phone out there. A Reliable 
calendar application which lets you set meetings, reminders etc, and an 
alarm. The alarms / reminder alerts should work reliably, even if the 
Neo is suspended (i.e: come out of suspend mode to sound alarm or show a 
reminder). With regards to PIM, I'd like to see a way to synchronise my 
Neo's PIM database with some other source, like ActiveSync does. This 
doesn't have to be incredibly complicated, maybe just dumping the PIM 
database to a vcf file. The reason I want this is that whenever I flash 
a new distro I need to re-import my contacts, and I inevitably lose 
contacts which I've added to the Neo but which aren't anywhere else. 
Perhaps there's already a solution to this.

5. Pretty comes later.

Stop caring about themes and snazzy visual effects. While everyone can 
agree that pretty is a nice thing, Stability should be the priority, not 
prettiness. Don't bother making themes and whatnot, just make the 
underlying software work reliably, then provide a way for us to make our 
own themes, and let the community worry about making themes. Once 
everything is solid, then you can worry about how pretty it is.

Regards,
-Dale

John Lee wrote:
 Hi,

 Like Wolfgang said in
 http://n2.nabble.com/Weekly-Engineering-News-41-2008-td1336450.html

 We assembled a team to focus on improving the user experience.  Here
 is our todo list at the moment:

 * Reduce boot time.

 * Optimize the touch screen driver on freerunner for finger usage.

 * A generic python loader to enhance the start up time of python
   scripts.

 * Work with system team to improve suspend/resume user experience.


 I would like to ask the community:

 What do you want us to work on?


 The idea is

 * We improve the current stack, not creating new features.

 * Prefer stuffs which could be brought over to gta03 instead of
   gta02/om2008 specific.

 * won't work on om2007 stack.


 So, tell us what you want, then the coding monkeys will start working!
 :)


 Regards,
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Re: [2008.X] Flashing the kernel live

2008-09-25 Thread Dale Maggee
Kelvie Wong wrote:
 I was just wondering, is there a way to flash the kernel live (i.e. with the 
 software still running)?  Is the boot partition (it's on the NAND Flash 
 somewhere) something I can just mount and override a file?  Or do I have to 
 use dd?  Or is there some trickery I can do with dfu-util?

   
 

   
I think that 'nandwrite' might be what you're looking for:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# nandwrite --help
Usage: nandwrite [OPTION] MTD_DEVICE INPUTFILE
Writes to the specified MTD device.

  -a, --autoplace   Use auto oob layout
  -j, --jffs2   force jffs2 oob layout (legacy support)
  -y, --yaffs   force yaffs oob layout (legacy support)
  -f, --forcelegacy force legacy support on autoplacement enabled 
mtd device  -n, --noecc   write without ecc
  -o, --oob image contains oob data
  -s addr, --start=addr set start address (default is 0)
  -p, --pad pad to page size
  -b, --blockalign=1|2|4 set multiple of eraseblocks to align to
  -q, --quiet   don't display progress messages
  --helpdisplay this help and exit
  --version output version information and exit

I wasn't able to get it to do much without a man page though...

HTH,
-Dale

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Re: g_file_storage

2008-09-21 Thread Dale Maggee
Christian Adams wrote:
 -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
 Hash: SHA1

 moinmoin,

 did anyone manage to get the usb-gadget g_file_storage to work properly?
 for me it's no problem to do:

 ifconfig usb0 down
 rmmod cdc-ether
 rmmod g_ether
 modprobe g_file_storage file=...

 but what - at least for me - not works is:

 rmmod g_file_storage (modprobe -r g_file_storage)

 the shell i run this command in completely freezes and the module  
 gets not unloaded

 ciao,
   morlac
I see this problem if I try to switch to file storage mode from a 
script. If I run the commands from a terminal it works fine, but if i 
run it from a script it totally freezes the freerunner.

I've also had limited success connecting it to machines in file storage 
mode:
 - Connected to my fedora box just fine, automounted, and popped up a 
nautilus window showing SD card contents
 - Connected to my mate's mac, and saw nothing at all
 - Connected to my mate's windoze box, and the device was detected as a 
USB storage device, but the drive didn't show up for some reason. I even 
looked in 'disk management' and it doesn't show up as a drive, so it's 
not a problem with partitions as far as I can tell.

Before anybody asks, yes, my SD card is formatted as Fat32, not ext2:
Device Boot  Start End  Blocks  Id System
/dev/mmcblk0p1  43   81821 7973376   b Win95 FAT32


I've found the best way to switch back to usb ethernet mode is to do it 
the windows way: reboot!
-Dale

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Re: (Some?) 3G support for Linux from Nokia - relevant for future models?

2008-09-17 Thread Dale Maggee
Mikko Rauhala wrote:
 Personally I'll be loathe to buy Nokia products anyway, they're just way
 too inconsistent with their policies and have no commitment to free
 software whatsoever. But, if something good comes out of them, that's,
 well, good.
   
Open source or not, you've gotta admit Nokia do make good phones. If I 
hadn't found the FreeRunner, I'd have looked at the Nokias first before 
any other brand. Their phones 'just work', and I've never had a problem 
with one (apart from not being able to ssh into it!) A couple of weeks 
ago I had my work phone (Nokia 6230) come out of my pocket while I was 
riding my motorbike at about 80kph. I found it on the side of the road 
later, not only was it not broken, it hadn't even come apart (battery 
hadn't come out) and was still turned on!


-Dale

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NeoTool v1.1 is available

2008-09-17 Thread Dale Maggee
I've been hard at work again, and a new version my utility is now 
available...

I've renamed it (again) to NeoTool.

Download it from [1]

I've also created a wiki page for it at [2], and linked to it from the 
Flash and Backup wiki pages.

Major new features include:
- Support for multiple DFU-capable devices - you'll see a menu asking 
you to choose which device if you have more than one attached

- Backup has been radically enhanced, and now supports configurable 
backup filenames, as well as the ability to backup everything via a 
combination of the mkfs-jffs2 and dfu -U methods.

There are also other improvements and changes which are documented on 
the wiki page.

[1] http://users.on.net/~antisol/neotool
[2] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/NeoTool

enjoy!

-Dale

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Re: community written community update

2008-09-17 Thread Dale Maggee
Minh Ha Duong wrote:
 Hi all,

 We all love Community Updates, but that's a huge endeavour for one person to 
 tackle. So let us try a little social experiment here: community written 
 community update. I just posted an outlined list of bullet points at:

 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/15th_September%2C_2008_-_Activity_since_launch

 The plan is to leave it to everybody else to elaborate along the following 
 editorial guidelines:
 1. Include everything that was hot on a mailing lists at some point since 
 launch.
 2. Limit each point to three sentences and one link. 

 Yours truly.

 Minh, Volunteer wiki editor
 (Curious and impatient to see if it works.)
   
Minh,

While I think that the page itself it good, I think that including a 
date in the page title is probably not a good Idea. Perhaps either a 
series of pages Activity in month Year, or just one monolithic 
page Activity Since Launch would be a better way to go. For example, 
I've just announced NeoTool v1.1, but I did this on the 17th, which to 
me seems to make it inappropriate to add to a page titled 15th Sep 08...

-Dale

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Re: NeoTool v1.1 is available

2008-09-17 Thread Dale Maggee
Daniel Hedblom wrote:
 Looks really nice and seems friendly enough for the beginners. Its
 amazing what one can do with bash =)

 //danielh
   
Thanks! :)

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Re: NeoTool v1.1 is available

2008-09-17 Thread Dale Maggee
Shawn prjktdtnt Thompson wrote:

 Dale,
 This is some great work! Thank you for letting me work with you on 
 this to support multiple devices.
 -Shawn
   
Thanks! And thanks for your help and suggestion!

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Re: NeoTool v1.1 is available [OT]

2008-09-17 Thread Dale Maggee
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Dale Maggee wrote:
   
 [1] http://users.on.net/~antisol/neotool
 [2] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/NeoTool
   
 


 Oh ... you're antisol :)

 I'm roguetr, nice to see you friend ;)

 hehe

 Sarton
   
I am indeed. ;)

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Re: Should I update u-boot?

2008-09-16 Thread Dale Maggee
Vinc Duran wrote:
 On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 10:07 PM, Marco Trevisan (Treviño) [EMAIL 
 PROTECTED]
   
 wrote:
 

   
 u-boot is effectively your bios and therefore fwiu facilitates power
 management and the like.

 Certain features will benefit like suspend and booting from ext3.
   
 I'dd add: recharging a Freerunner with a dead battery...

 snip
 

 I have a big favor to ask. Could someone direct me exactly to a correct
 version of u-boot that can charge a Freerunner with a dead battery? An exact
 URL with a file name would mean a lot to me. :-)

 I checked
 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_the_Neo_FreeRunner#Flashing_the_boot_loader_to_the_NAND,
 and http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Download#End_user, and
 http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.8-update.

 Is this the file I need?
 http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.8-update/Om2008.8-gta02-20080903.uImage.bin

 Thanks,
 Vinc
 end-user
   

If I understand correctly (although there's a good chance I don't!), then

http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/gta02v5_and_up-u-boot.bin

is the latest u-boot which is built daily and should have all the latest 
patch goodness.


I'm sure somebody will correct me if I don't know what I'm talking about

HTH,
-Dale

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Re: FSO/ASU not registering on the Australian Vodafone GSM network

2008-09-16 Thread Dale Maggee
Bill,

I'm on the Aussie Vodafone network, using an old sim card I've had for 
*many* years (it's red and labelled sim^2 [i.e sim squared]), and FSO3 
works fine for me, although sometimes it takes a little while to prompt 
for my PIN. as for ASU I can't be sure - the last time I tested it it 
registered, but again took a while, but It only lasted maybe 2 reboots 
before it got reverted back to 2007.2 again.

I don't have FSO on at the moment, but I'm planning on giving it another 
shot one of these days.

hopefully something here will be mildly helpfull. If there'a sny other 
info I can provide please ask.

Cheers,
-Dale

W.Kenworthy wrote:
 I am having a problem registering anything ASU/FSO based with the
 Australian Vodafone GSM network.  Its not the SIM card but ASU/FSO as
 2007.2 works fine.  I also believe that other Aussies are having the
 same problem.

 I found some pages describing how to manually talk to the GSM chip, but
 they are 2007 based and dont work for me.  Is there anything on how to
 talk to the GSM chip (mimicom?) on the wiki? 

 Are the connect commands built into the GSM daemon, or in a config file
 somewhere they can be checked/modded?

 BillK

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Re: Screen shot failure?

2008-09-16 Thread Dale Maggee
Iain B. Findleton wrote:
 Aborts with some message about not being able to convert the png CREATOR
 field to an ISO charset.

 Anybody know the solution to this one?
   
google is your friend

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Re: Screen shot failure?

2008-09-16 Thread Dale Maggee
Iain B. Findleton wrote:
 Hardly. Its the screen shot application on the GTA-02 that fails with
 this message. I know what the png field actually is. My question is
 whether there is a fix or configuration requirement for my FreeRunner.
   
yes there is, and if you type the error message into google, you'll find it.

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