Re: Freerunner's Future

2009-06-05 Thread Dale Schumacher
On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 9:00 PM, Boris Wonglists.bo...@bshed.com wrote:
 Steve Mosher wrote:
 1. Its a mobile Phone First, and a multi purpose platform secondarily

 I actually like the perspective of #1 very much and you should keep it
 as such.
...snip...
 Free the phone; we already have multi-purpose platform devices that run
 linux.

I'm totally on-board with this message, vision and mission.  The
problem is--after all this time, that vision remains unfulfilled.  My
biggest disappointment has been the fact that my Openmoko Freerunner
(which I've had since helping form the Austin buying group) is still
not _nearly_ as reliable as any cheap simple handset I can get for 10%
of the cost.  The Freerunner had (has?) great potential, but we
couldn't realize that potential without basic reliable functionality.
If the concerted efforts of many talented (in some cases even paid)
engineers couldn't achieve that basic milestone, it seems unlikely
that it will be achieved by a loosely-organized group of unpaid (and
demoralized) volunteers.

I truly hope I'm wrong--and I applaud the efforts of those who
continue to strive for this goal.  I also want to express my thanks
for the efforts of all those who have worked so long and hard trying
to achieve this vision.

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Re: (OM2008.9) Upgrade - update

2008-10-25 Thread Dale Schumacher
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 10:52 AM, rakshat hooja [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 As long as you are just getting .sig download errors there should be no
 problems. OPKG seems to have a problem with package signatures

I wonder if the time and energy wasted on this recurring issue is
greater than the effort to FIX IT.

Shouldn't it be a simple addition to the build scripts?  Is there some
way the community can help here?

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Re: Charging a Neo battery in a Nokia charger or phone (was: Re: dead battery)

2008-09-30 Thread Dale Schumacher
On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 5:11 AM, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Nokia devices (phones and stand-alone chargers) will not charge
 non-Nokia batteries, most likely because they can't be sure they have
 the correct charging parameters.

 Most after-market or no-name brands of Nokia-compatible chargers don't
 test the make of the battery, most likely because adding the capability
 to perform this test would add to the cost of the charger.

 Thus:

 * You can use a Nokia or Nokia-compatible BL-4C, BL-5C, or BL-6C in the Neo

 * You can charge the Neo battery in a Nokia-compatible charger that is
 not Nokia branded

 * You can NOT charge the Neo battery in a Nokia branded phone or charger

Added to http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_Battery#USB_charger

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Re: GUI for cell ID, signal strenght

2008-08-25 Thread Dale Schumacher
On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 12:38 PM, Johny Tenfinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 If you are using 2007.2, simply click on the GSM icon on panel and
 select GSM Network.

Thanks for the information.

This should be in the getting started and possible GSM wiki pages!

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Re: Problems booting

2008-08-25 Thread Dale Schumacher
On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 2:48 PM, Gunnar AAstrand Grimnes
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 After several weeks of waiting I've finally got my OpenMoko - it came
 with 2007.02 which I've opkg update'd.

The fastest, and most important, update is to flash a new u-boot.  I
would try that by itself to see if it resolve your troubles.  This
can't be done with opkg.  Just make sure to boot from NOR, rather than
the default NAND, since it's NAND you will be overwriting with
dfu-util.

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Re: numptyphysics ipk

2008-08-03 Thread Dale Schumacher
On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 4:56 AM, simarillion [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  * Warning: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for numptyphysics:
*  libsdl *  libsdl-image *

 Any ideas what I've done wrong?  I'm running 2007.2, if that makes a
 difference.

 I got the same error messages but the game starts without any problems.
 Did you try that?

The game works.  The packaging doesn't.

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Re: numptyphysics ipk

2008-08-01 Thread Dale Schumacher
On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 6:40 PM, Robert William Hutton
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 So to boil it down, from your openmoko:

 opkg install libsdl-1.2-0 libsdl-image-1.2-0
 opkg install -force-depends
 http://wwwpub.zih.tu-dresden.de/~mkluge/numptyphysics_0.2_armv4t.ipk

My unsuccessful attempt looked like this:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/ipkg# wget 
'http://wwwpub.zih.tu-dresden.de/~mkluge/numptyphysic
s_0.2_armv4t.ipk'
Connecting to wwwpub.zih.tu-dresden.de (141.30.61.160:80)
numptyphysics_0.2_ar 100% |***|   309k 00:00:00 ETA
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/ipkg# opkg install libsdl-1.2-0 libsdl-image-1.2-0
Installing libsdl-1.2-0 (1.2.9-r5) to root...
Downloading 
http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/armv4t/libsdl-1.2-0_1.2.9-r5_armv4t.ipk
Installing libsdl-image-1.2-0 (1.2.3-r1) to root...
Downloading 
http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/armv4t/libsdl-image-1.2-0_1.2.3-r1_armv4t.ipk
Configuring libsdl-1.2-0
Configuring libsdl-image-1.2-0
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/ipkg# opkg -force-depends install 
numptyphysics_0.2_armv4t.ipk
Installing numptyphysics (0.2) to root...
Configuring numptyphysics
Collected errors:
 * Warning: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for numptyphysics:
 *  libsdl *  libsdl-image *
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/ipkg# opkg list_installed | grep libsdl
libsdl-1.2-0 - 1.2.9-r5 -
libsdl-image-1.2-0 - 1.2.3-r1 -

Any ideas what I've done wrong?  I'm running 2007.2, if that makes a difference.

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Re: Ringtone Question

2008-07-30 Thread Dale Schumacher
On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 3:28 AM, Iker Berasaluce [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 My Freerunner hasn't arrived yet; when it does I'll check this out, it
 should be fairly easy to write a shell script which will convert any
 sound into a ringtone. It would be nice if there was an app on the
 phone itself to do it too...

 Chris.

 ___

 Would be nice, indeed. My FR didn't arrive as well, but I was thinking in
 doing something the ringtone issue, although I dind't come out with the
 convert-any-sounf-in-ringtone idea.
 It would worth a try .

Some people have commented that the Freerunner ring-tone has a fixed
built-in playing-time/repeat-rate.  I don't know if there is any truth
to that, but it would certainly affect your attempts to create
alternate ring-tones.

Good luck.  I look forward to seeing your results!  Ring-tone
customization seems like one of the first user-applied mods for many
users.

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Re: external GSM antenna

2008-07-30 Thread Dale Schumacher
On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 1:11 PM, Joerg Reisenweber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 The GSM-connector to be found near one of the screws (see [disassembling Neo
 1973] in wiki) is:
 MURATA MM8430-2610RB3 SMD RF TEST PORT

 For a nice fitting adapter see attached photo and:
 http://www.google.de/search?q=MXHS83QE3000

Just to avoid (more) confusion.  The photo called gps-adapter.jpg is
actually a GSM adapter, not GPS, right?

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Re: Fast questions (email, GPRS, WiFi...)

2008-07-24 Thread Dale Schumacher
On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 4:09 PM, Jim Morris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Make sure you do ifdown usb0 before ifup eth0

 Then if dhcp does not get a lease first time through (which for me is about 
 50/50)
 then you can do this from the console which always gets the lease for me.

   udhcpc eth0

 After that wifi should work.

 Peter Nijs wrote:
  After a whole lot of tweaking I still cannot get an IP from my wireless
  router. My current setup looks like this:

OK.  This feels like it's going to be a dumb questions, but I'm going
to ask it anyway.

Is it possible to leave the USB connection up, so you can work on the
Freerunner via ssh, and at the same time bring up the WIFI?

If so, can be made to work both when routing through the host to the
internet as well as when you're only using ssh as an easier way to
work on the Freerunner.

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Re: FreeBSD / dfu-util

2008-07-23 Thread Dale Schumacher
On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 10:51 AM, Andrew Burgess [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 Back in the GUI?
 This sounds like you booted all the way which is incorrect.
 I made the same mistake and there was another post here that also made
 that mistake. The wiki is correct but easy to misread. I'll fix it.

 You need to be at the boot menu on the FR to run dfu-util.


In addition, if you wait long enough on the NAND/NOR u-boot screen the
Freerunner shuts down again.  I boot into NOR u-boot and then issue the
command:

sudo ./dfu-util --list

This lists the available devices, of which there should only be one.  If
you've waited too long, it will say no devices are available.
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Re: Terminal for ASU

2008-07-23 Thread Dale Schumacher
On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 4:40 PM, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 edje_decc (from edj-utils) the illume.edj file (enligtenment theme
 installed
 in /usr/share/enlightenment/data/themes). in the directory find the .edc
 file -
 edit. search for a comment string don't look at me.  here are 3 of them.
 notice the line above i the same entry - just commented out with a
 different
 value. comment out the line with the don't look at me comment and
 UNCOMMENT
 the line above. you'll get a keyboard button. rebuild the file (build.sh or
 edje_cc file.edc) and copy the .edj file back on top of the original...
 restart
 E (killall -HUP enlightenment will do the job - along with a dozen other
 mechanisms... all but 1 disabled). :)


...and then post the results somewhere the user community can get it.
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Re: Operation without battery (GTA02)

2008-07-23 Thread Dale Schumacher
On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 5:51 PM, Andy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 That's right, to start Freerunner needs a battery in and the battery
 needs some decent charge left in it, for the reason briefly during
 startup it needs to eat more current that it is allowed via USB.  It
 causes a brownout at that time since the USB current limit does its
 job well, it chokes and restarts repeatedly.


Does the latest u-boot 
http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200807/20080723/u-boot-gta02v5-1.3.1+gitr6+ba029a1426bfca169572bf80d50a8b190a6b0e19-r0.bin
contain the start-up current limiting code that keeps 100mA during boot?
If so, does that mean we should be able to boot from USB power only?
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Problem upgrading ncurses

2008-07-23 Thread Dale Schumacher
Going through my daily ritual of update and upgrade, I've been having
trouble with ncurses.

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# cat /proc/version
Linux version 2.6.24 ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) (gcc version 4.1.2) #1
PREEMPT Tue Jul 22 02:21:01 CEST 2008
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# opkg upgrade
Upgrading ncurses on root from 5.4-r14 to 5.4-r15...
Downloading
http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/armv4t/ncurses_5.4-r15_armv4t.ipk
Collected errors:
 * Package ncurses wants to install file /usr/lib/libncurses.so.5
But that file is already provided by package  * libncurses5

This has persisted for at least the last 24 hours.  Is anyone else seeing
this problem?
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Re: Problem upgrading ncurses

2008-07-23 Thread Dale Schumacher
On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 6:54 PM, Stroller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 There's a bug in TRAC for this:
 https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1569

 The fix there went from in testing to bug closed in the last couple of
 days, so presumably it works. Please confirm.


This is exactly the problem.  I applied the recommended fix:

opkg -force-depends remove libncurses5
opkg install ncurses libncurses5

Now everything seems to be up-to-date.  Thanks!

Should this be in the wiki somewhere, or will new users not have this
problem if they update/upgrade directly from the factory image?

Also, could you possibly post to the list in plain text, not HTML?


Sure, I could.  I thought it would be more clear to post the transcript in
fixed font.  Doesn't it come through as multi-part-alternative anyway, so
you should have a plain-text version too?  It seems the richer markup is
often useful.
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New u-boot image

2008-07-21 Thread Dale Schumacher
On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 3:30 AM, Andy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
...

 Until Mike Montour noticed it the other day, our distribution package
 for U-Boot was coming from months old sources.  Today or tomorrow the
 U-Boot package in the repo should jump ahead many patches (although I
 don't remember any for DFU).  One of the packages allows ext2 / 3 boot
 from SD Card, if you are backing up your NAND rootfs so you can try ASU
 or another image, you will be able to do it shortly from SD Card boot
 fairly easily (after that U-Boot update).

 - -Andy


How will we know when there is a u-boot image containing these changes?
Will there be an updated u-boot at 
http://buildhost.openmoko.org/releases/Freerunner/ for us to download?
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What exactly can be updated by opkg?

2008-07-19 Thread Dale Schumacher
When we do an opkg update  opkg upgrade what is potentially overwritten?

Is it just the root filesystem?  Just /usr?  How about the kernel and/or
uboot?

I understand that it is dependent on what actually NEEDS to be updated.  I'm
simply asking what CAN be updated.
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Re: wiki database error

2008-07-19 Thread Dale Schumacher
On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 8:08 AM, koebi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   just wanted to let somebody know that today, after an edit on the
 wiki, I got a database error message:
 ---
 Database error

...

 nevertheless, the changes I made were applied.

 the page I edited was a subsection of
 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Openmoko_Local_Groups:_Munich

 regards
 koebi


I got a similar error yesterday.
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Freerunner wallpaper

2008-06-20 Thread Dale Schumacher
Sorry everyone.  This message (posted last Monday) was stuck in the
moderator's queue due to size.  Subsequently, I created the
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wallpaper page and attached my wallpaper
graphic to that page.  I didn't expect this message would actually reach the
list.

On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 1:12 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 From: Dale Schumacher [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: community@lists.openmoko.org
 Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 12:23:25 -0500
 Subject: Freerunner wallpaper
 I thought I would share some inspirational (to me at least) wallpaper that
 may actually have some practical value as well.  This image helps me design
 graphics to fit the Freerunner display, both portrait and landscape, as well
 as other common display resolutions.  If there is a better way to distribute
 this kind of material, or a better place to store it, let me know.  I would
 enjoy seeing other Openmoko-inspired wallpaper designs.  I hope you enjoy
 mine.


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Freerunner wallpaper

2008-06-18 Thread Dale Schumacher
I thought I would share some inspirational (to me at least) wallpaper that
may actually have some practical value as well.  I would enjoy seeing other
Openmoko-inspired wallpaper designs.  I hope you enjoy mine.
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wallpaper
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Bitfrost

2008-06-15 Thread Dale Schumacher
Bitfrost looks likes an interesting security model.  It would be well worth
consideration.

-- Forwarded message --
From: Joseph Reeves [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 21:59:24 +0100
Subject: Bitfrost
...
I've also posted twice (I think - I found one one on Google) to this
list about how it might be fruitful to consider the Bitforst security
model as developed for the OLPC project:

http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Bitfrost

Anyone with me on that one?
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Re: Font type and size was (QVGA V/s VGA for GTA03)

2008-06-10 Thread Dale Schumacher
If your current display is around 150dpi, you can see what QVGA would be
like with something like this:

xterm -fn '*-clean-*--6-*-c-40*' 

This will give you a terminal window with a 4x6 font cell (3x5 for
characters + 1px spacing).  Note that the automatic smear bold make this
font unreadable, but the non-bold works.

However, I would much prefer to use a larger font on a VGA-size display with
285dpi, like this:

xterm -fn '*-clean-med*--16-*-c-80-*' -fb '*-clean-bold*--16-*-c-80-*' 


-- Forwarded message --
 From: David Samblas Martinez [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: List for Openmoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org
 Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 22:44:35 + (GMT)
 Subject: Re: Font type and size was (QVGA V/s VGA for GTA03)
 But I have no knowlege about this font, hehehe I like it. ~70 chars/line in
 the example of 291 pixels so in a 640 will be about ~160 chars in one line
 (penden to confirm the minimum distance to be readable maybe 3 cm hehehe
 well now seriouly I was able to read the example in a 1280x768 10.6 inch
 screen so about 140 dpi in 40 cm distance with no movement (in a desk). I
 totally agree that this font is not for work but it can be used to make a
 text thumbnail in a icon of a text file or to and advanced text editor had a
 mosaic quickview of all open text files

 Only dumb maths 160 columns x 60 lines = 4600 chars per screen (well maybe
 a lot of strange dots on a screen)


 --- El mar, 10/6/08, Dave O'Connor [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió:

  De: Dave O'Connor [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Asunto: Re: QVGA V/s VGA for GTA03 (was something about yummy CPU-GPU
 combos!)
  Para: List for Openmoko community discussion 
 community@lists.openmoko.org
  CC: Dotan Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED], Flemming Richter Mikkelsen 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Fecha: martes, 10 junio, 2008 8:04
  I'm with Robert on this one. Took me a while to parse
  many of the
  characters on that image.
 
  On Tue, 10 Jun 2008, robert lazarski wrote:
 
   On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 12:12 PM, The Rasterman
  Carsten Haitzler
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 15:57:36 +0300 Dotan
  Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:
  
   2008/6/10 The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
   nb - your chars just become tall (3x7).
  eg:
  
  
   I understand. I would still like to see a
  screenshot of fstab or
   xorg.conf open in vim with such a font on qvga
  screen. I don't mind
   getting used to some displeasures, however
  others I avoid if possible.
  
  
  http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~fine/images/fonts/atari-small-samp.gifhttp://hea-www.harvard.edu/%7Efine/images/fonts/atari-small-samp.gif
  
  
   That's painful for this reader. I couldn't
  write or read code - or
   anything really - in that font for more than a few
  seconds. IMHO, It'd
   be kind of ironic that a totally hackable
  phone wouldn't have the
   ability to read or write text. FYI, I did lasik
  corrective surgery so
   my eyesight is relatively good .
  
   Robert

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The clean font family

2008-06-09 Thread Dale Schumacher
You may find it interesting to examine the clean font family, in the X11
core distribution.  It contains around 30 fonts in fixed-pitch pixel cells
ranging from 4x6 to 8x16 and 9x15.  A few sizes (esp. 8px width) include
bold weights and there are even a couple of italics.  Just fire up an xterm
with the font of your choice and see how it looks, but do note that the
automatic smear bolding does not produce good results.

The 4x6 font uses a 3x5 pixel character cell, reserving a single pixel each
for inter-line and inter-character spacing.  The glyphs are all unique, for
the 7-bit ASCII range.  A number of optical illusions make it possible to
read text at this size.  Your brain actually pattern-matches on the shape of
the words.  Larger fonts are always easier to read.  This font essentially
represents the limit of legibility for bitmapped fonts.

Still, I do not recommend using the 4x6 at ~300dpi.  It was designed for
~75dpi.  The whole point of reaching the 250dpi+ range is that the
individual pixels SHOULD become indistinguishable, leading to a
qualitatively different visual experience.  This is similar to the smooth
color rendition we get with CMYK half-toned dots in a magazine.

-- Forwarded message --
 From: Dotan Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: List for Openmoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org
 
 Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 20:11:37 +0200
 Subject: Re: QVGA V/s VGA for GTA03 (was something about yummy CPU-GPU
 combos!)
 2008/6/9 Flemming Richter Mikkelsen [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  On 6/9/08, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  [...]
  an 80x24 terminal is possible to make it readable @ qvga - if we allow
  scrolling. (and possible in landscape with an ultra-tiny 4-pixel wide
 font -
  possible (3 pixels for text, 1 for space). not very nice though.
 
  How can u separate @, #, $, S, %, æ, ø, o, etc,  when only using 3
 pixels?
  5 pix + 1 pix space is a minimum for good reading, unless some chars
  take more space than others.
 

 5 pix + 1 pix space is a minimum for reading
 There, fixed that for you. Getting by with 3+1 pixels is not reading.
 You may be able to dechipher words, but that is not reading. Reading
 is when the brain skips over large portions of the text and absorbs
 the full meaning, because it is able to recognize familiar shapes and
 derive from them meaning. 3+1 cannot create the different shapes
 necessary for reading.

 7 pix + 2 pix space is a minimum for _good_ reading

 Dotan Cohen

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Re: resolution preferences??

2008-06-06 Thread Dale Schumacher
When printer technology went from dot-matrix to laser-print (and later,
ink-jet) there was a substantial qualitative difference in the visual
appearance and quality of the output.  One of the most attractive features
of the Neo, for me, is the corresponding jump in display resolution.  I've
been waiting for this ever since laser-printing arrived!

BTW, I would be perfectly happy driving VIDEO at lower resolution, but
graphics, and especially text, really benefits from resolutions nearing the
300dpi range.

-- Forwarded message --
 From: rakshat hooja [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: List for Openmoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org
 
 Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 12:12:24 +0530
 Subject: Re: resolution preferences??
 The difference between the VGA screen of the Neo and the QVGA screens I
 have are very clear to me (with the VGA being clearly superior) when kept
 side by side. But for most of my activities including reading long emails
 the QVGA resolution is enough. So unless we have the processing power to run
 at least 25 FPS VGA video, I would be happy with a QVGA as there is bound to
 be a price and performance improvement.

 Rakshat

 On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 11:09 AM, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Fri, 6 Jun 2008 00:02:14 -0400 Steven Milburn 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 babbled:

  This question is probably just because I misunderstood something you
 said
  before, but I'll ask anyway :)
 
  If it is acceptable to use QVGA, couldn't that basically be done without
 any
  hardware changes?  I believe I remember you saying the glamo does
 scaling,
  so couldn't you let SW treat the display as qvga, and just have the
 glamo
  scale it up?
 
  Or, is the question more about having qvga instead of the glamo (which
  leaves you back with the SDIO interface shortage)?

 we can just drive the vga screen at qvga. no need for scaling - just
 change the
 output at the lcd controller level. but it is a waste to pay for a vga
 screen
 when we won't use it. also it does look blocky. it isn't about glamo or
 not -
 it's separate to glamo entirely. simply - how important is a vga screen...
 really? how many people out there can really see the difference? be really
 honest. stop thinking my specs are bigger than your specs. scan u REALLY
 see
 all the pixels on a vga screen of that size. i bet to most people its all
 a
 blur - a qvga screen looks identical to them. only to a minority who have
 very
 good eyesight does it really make a difference, but this is just my bet.
 i'm
 asking the question - and hoping for real honest answers.

  --Steve
 
  On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 10:42 PM, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   On Thu, 05 Jun 2008 11:50:43 +0200 Marc Bantle [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 babbled:
  
  
 quick question - would you prefer a qvga lcd (save a bit of cost)
 since
   we'e
 going to need to software-drive all graphics - the fewer pixels
 you
   have to
 fill, the better for speed. i'm really tossing up if the speed of
 qvga
   is
 worth the loss of resolution. i'm just not sure.



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Hardware Block Diagram

2008-06-05 Thread Dale Schumacher
I've done several searches on the wiki and I can't seem to find any block
diagram of the Freerunner hardware.  Is there any such thing?  It would sure
help to clarify how all this stuff is connected.


-- Forwarded message --
 From: Andy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2008 09:29:36 +0100
 Subject: Re: Yummy new CPU/GPU combo

...

 We would rightly deserve to get our asses laughed at if we did that.
 You're likely thinking about the actual SD Card interface is now via the
 Glamo, which has an SD interface poking out of it.  WIFI is hooked to
 the CPU SDIO bus and we don't otherwise use these buses.

 | If it's connected to the address/data bus, why is it so slow and why
 can't
 | DMA be used to copy data to it?

 DMA can be used, I seem to recall someone saying they did something with
 it in Xglamo, but PIO isn't where the problems are coming from.

 The Glamo offers normal async memory bus interface which we use, but it
 has a bunch of timing constraints.  (There is a synchronous burst bus
 mode that we don't use because the CPU doesn't support it and adding a
 CPLD in there to translate will eat power and doesn't make sense.)

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Flexible software (was: Re: Alarmclock puzzle)

2008-05-13 Thread Dale Schumacher
This is a far from common attitude, although it is the correct one IMHO.


 -- Forwarded message --
 From: Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: List for Openmoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org
 Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 15:09:22 -0700
 Subject: Flexible software (was: Re: Alarmclock puzzle)
 I always start with the assumption that EVERYTHING should be designed to
 be pluginable by default, and only fixed if there are compelling reasons to
 do so.

 Piotr Duda skrev:
 
   with all these crazy ideas Im begining to think, that maybe OM alarm
   clock should be pluginable... so everyone can use snooze plugin she/he
   likes the most, and even change it from time to time to outsmart
   her/his
   sleep mode... 8-)
  
   Piotr
  
 
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Group Sales, distribution model

2008-05-01 Thread Dale Schumacher
As Kevin notes, the marginal savings on a 10-pack is pretty thin.  For
planning purposes size and weight details are useful, but I thought they
were posted previously.

Currently there are 4 people showing interest in Austin, TX and 1 in Dallas,
TX.  This does not include the 2 current Neo1973 owners, who have not
expressed a desire to be part of this 10-pack.  If we get enough interest
for a 10-pack, I am assuming that people will either pick up their device in
person, or pay for additional shipping, at their option.  If that is not
cost effective for them, and it very well may not be in the case of
re-shipping, then they should order directly.  I will be ordering directly
if there is not sufficient local interest.  The individual in Dallas may
have reason to visit Austin, or other means of obtaining cost-effective
transportation for his device.  If not, then I'm sure he will also order
directly.

Clearly details like these must be worked out for each local group, but
should be done OFF LIST.  I've described my expectations as simply an
example of the choices to be made.


 -- Forwarded message --
 From: Kevin Dean [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 ...


 Are there any size or weight dimensions known about the Freerunner
 packages? How much will the 10-pack weigh? How much will a single
 using weight?

 ...


 Openmoko guys! Can you give us the specs so that those interested in
 bulk purchases can figure out the logistics of shipping versus
 individual sales and then factor that into the regions that will be
 used to organize bulk purchases?

 Thanks.

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Visibility in Open Source

2008-04-19 Thread Dale Schumacher
 The recent responses to possible issues with the GTA02v5 is a perfect
illustration of why many companies will not open their process.  As Mikko
and others have pointed out, THERE ARE NO PERFECT PRODUCTS.  With a closed
company, YOU simply don't know about known defects, future improvements,
etc.  So you happily buy their current products and they happily go on
making the trade-off between the risk of negative publicity caused by
discovery of their flaws and the profits they are making by keeping you
ignorant of problems they don't want to fix.

If you want to hear the truth, you must be prepared for the fact that you
might not like some of the things you hear.  OM is doing a WONDERFUL job of
keeping all of us informed and disclosing details that scare most other
companies.  The trade-off they are making is between the improvements that
they want to make (a never-ending list) and the demand from the market
(that's us) to get a useful product in our hands.  The product currently
under production is clearly useful--with or without LED current issues--and
OM has decided that it's ready to go to market.  We should all support their
decision rather than complaining about small defects, known or
yet-to-be-discovered.  The product will always be improving.  I'm ready to
start using it NOW.

As an example from another area, consider the books on your bookshelf.  With
each printing minor corrections are made.  Does that mean you should not buy
a first edition, first printing copy?  How long should you wait?  When
will it be perfect?
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Re: Toolchain on Ubuntu 7.10

2008-04-09 Thread Dale Schumacher
I didn't see anything on the wiki regarding repositories.  In fact, this is
what I suspected to be the problem.  What repositories should be added to
the base installation.  I simply installed from the Ubuntu 7.10 Desktop CD
and have done no additional configuration.  I'd like to update the wiki to
include instructions for starting from a basic fresh installation and
getting the entire toolchain built.

Thanks for your help.


 -- Forwarded message --
 From: Frederik Sdun [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: List for Openmoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org
 Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2008 07:06:18 +0200
 Subject: Re: Toolchain on Ubuntu 7.10
 Hi,

 have you changed your repositories and reload the paket list? you might
 remove the cdrom and add at least the main repository in
 settings-Repositiories and click on the upper left reload button. if
 you have still problems ask in your local IRC channel on
 irc.freenode.net.

 regards,
 frederik

 Am Dienstag, den 08.04.2008, 21:40 -0500 schrieb Dale Schumacher:
  I've just done a clean install of Ubuntu 7.10 and am trying to follow
  the instructions from the Toolchain wiki page.  When I try the
  command:
 
  sudo apt-get install gcc g++ autoconf automake binutils libtools ...
 
  I get this error message:
 
  Package autoconf is not available, but is referred to by another
  package.
  This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
  is only available from another source
  E: Pacakge autoconf has no installation candidate
 
  Since this is a fresh install, I expect I may not have the right setup
  to install all the developer goodies.  Can someone suggest a clean way
  to resolve this issue?  I would be happy to update the wiki page with
  better instructions once my issue is resolved.
 
  Thanks!
 
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Toolchain on Ubuntu 7.10

2008-04-08 Thread Dale Schumacher
I've just done a clean install of Ubuntu 7.10 and am trying to follow the
instructions from the Toolchain wiki page.  When I try the command:

sudo apt-get install gcc g++ autoconf automake binutils libtools ...

I get this error message:

*Package autoconf is not available, but is referred to by another package.
This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
is only available from another source
E: Pacakge autoconf has no installation candidate*

Since this is a fresh install, I expect I may not have the right setup to
install all the developer goodies.  Can someone suggest a clean way to
resolve this issue?  I would be happy to update the wiki page with better
instructions once my issue is resolved.

Thanks!
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Future hardware options

2008-03-20 Thread Dale Schumacher
I believe that a low-power-use auxiliary processor would be EXTREMELY
valuable.  There are LOTS of things that could run on a slower lower-powered
processor, greatly extending battery life.  At any time the high-speed
high-power-use main processor can be fired up to handle the real heavy
lifting.  Moving the monitoring functions off the main CPU would be a GREAT
improvement.


  - Add a small lowpower MPU like TI MPS430 to manage everything
 seamlessly when main CPU is down.  Stuff like motion sensors, wake
 sources, battery management, maybe touchscreen, leds so there is an
 always-on guiding hand in the phone that is consistent and reliable

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