Re: [Searching] Freerunner

[Dan Leinir Turthra Jensen]

On Thursday 24 December 2009 17:51:01 jeremy jozwik wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 8:27 AM, Bart.  wrote:
> > Please.
> > Define reasonable price in numbers.
> 
> one millin dollars!
> [couldnt let that just sit there...]

  But... That's OVER 9000! ;)

  Also, i might like to sell my GTA02 - i've been pondering USD 150 plus 
shipping. If that's the sort of thing you're looking for, email me privately, 
please :) If you want, i'll stick the newest QtMoko on there for ya :)

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Re: OMGTA03 aka. 3D7K (call for preview)

[Dan Leinir Turthra Jensen]

On Sunday 08 November 2009 12:57:17 David Lanzendörfer wrote:
> Hiho.
> Ive seen, that there is already support for the OM-GTA03 in FSO/SHR.
> But I don't have any idea how it will look like.
> Are there some previews? Design sheets? Anything.
> I'm nearly dieing from curiousity.
> Plz give me some preview, how it will look like.
> Will it have a keyboard or just touchscreen like my NeoFreerunner?
> 
> greatings leviathan
> 

  In addition to what Lars Hennig said, i'd just like to point out that using 
OMG-TA03 would be a better place for the dash... ;)

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Re: gta02-core weekly news

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On Tuesday 22 September 2009 21:16:49 Alvie wrote:
> Dan Leinir Turthra Jensen wrote:
> >   Is this aggregated on planet openmoko? :)
> 
> Yes, but I decline any responsibility for it :P

  No problem, it's just that i already follow that one :)

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Re: gta02-core weekly news

[Dan Leinir Turthra Jensen]

On Tuesday 22 September 2009 20:50:24 Alvie wrote:
> Hello all,
> 
> For your information,
> 
> (As some of you might already know) I decided to create a blog to post
>  weekly news about the #gta02-core project. Maybe this will attract those
>  that hate emails and reading through email lists, anyway, my idea is to
>  have something like Corbet et. al. do on LWN.net: a pretty much
>  summarized, quick to read, easy to understand, change log of what is
>  happening out there.
> 
> Blog lies here:
> 
> http://gta02-core-news.blogspot.com/
> 
> If anyone has ideas, suggestions, or wish to contribute in any way, you are
>  (as always) very very welcomed.

  Is this aggregated on planet openmoko? :)

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Re: QtMoko v11

[Dan Leinir Turthra Jensen]

On Sunday 20 September 2009 15:11:21 -= Apertum =- wrote:
> * Ali wrote, Il 20/09/2009 14:41:
> > I wouldn't mind it gone from the distro I think it sucks. Remember
> >   qtmoko is on debian so everything in debian is available to us.
> >   apt-get install iceweasel (firefox with free graphics) but that's
> > overkill (and slow) on a phone. Try midori, I think it's a little bloated
> > for the freerunner, but it does the job. Dillo[1] is my favourite but I
> > can't seem to find it in the repos- even the old version based on gtk was
> > really fast. Dillo2 uses fltk2- it's damn fast and fairly pretty. [1]
> > Also has an opk that you may be able to extract and execute, but I
> > haven't had the chance to test it out myself.
> 
> I totally agree on using other browser, with the power of Debian, we can
> use pretty everything with Apt, that's why i like a lot QtMoko! :-)
> 
> However it's not a bad idea to purge out from the QtMoko base
> installation all the software that sucks like, that said,  this
> QtExtended default browser that, in fact, it's not usable for Web
> browsing (but also the QtGPSdemo... and other default QtExtended
> software pretty useless).
> 
> I think it's not bad to insert as a default browser Midori or, like you
> said, Dillo, or any other Browser finger friendly, fast, usable, and
> stable. And as default software pre-installed, i think also it's pretty
> a must to insert a very good mixer (QalsaMixer) to fine tune calls volume.

  The problem with all of the suggestions above is that, great as it is that 
QtMoko is now able to run any app, also those based on X, is that well... They 
feel out of place. It's really nice to be able to do it, but a core feature 
(such as web browser arguably is these days in a smart device like the 
freerunner) really needs to be integrated. The thing is, the web browser 
currently doesn't do what's needed - but that does not mean that it's 
unfixable.

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Re: MokoTouch Project (Qt4 Embedded Based Distro)

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On Thursday 06 August 2009 12:58:05 Matteo Bertozzi wrote:
> Hi,  Last week I've released the 1st developer release of Moko Touch
> Project (http://th30z.netsons.org/mokotouch/).
>
> In the past months I've played a bit with OpenMoko and QtEmbedded and I've
> made a simple video preview of what I've done
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yr821OgnvYc
>
> Now, I've released some source code that allows you to develop application
> using this Framework, and you can also try it using the Simulator included
> in the source code.
>
> The Project is just started and the source code contains just the UI
> Framework that handle touches, accelerometer and gestures and the
> Homescreen app, that allows you to run apps. Also the source code tree
> contains various example app where you can learn how to write your apps.

  How about an image for us who are simply curious? Yes, i'm aware it's a 
preview and such, but i am also interested in seeing how it works :)

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Re: Is Israel a Democracy? -- The problem with intellectually insecure whites -- Should Christians Support Israeli Terrorism in Gaza?

[Dan Leinir Turthra Jensen]

Friday 23 January 2009 skrev john dowd:
> And you think that this is an appropriate forum because why?

  i was thinking the same thing. While i may agree with the sentiments of the 
post, i really doubt that this is the forum for discussion on this topic.

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Re: case manufacturing

[Dan Leinir Turthra Jensen]

Thursday 11 December 2008 skrev rakshat hooja:
> > > ponoko.com would do it for you, or emachineshop.com
> >
> > if you get some pricing, could you let us know -- even your desgin?
> > i am still pondering the idea of a new casing ...
>
> Thanks. will update when I get pricing. My design is still at the idea
> stage - add a USB keyboard (qwerty) into the case design itself. Will make
> it heavier but helps my use case as I want to stop carrying my laptop with
> me when I have the Freerunner and the onscreen kb (illume), though good, is
> slightly small when typing out documents. (Guess I am looking for a
> Blackberry equvalent)

  If you end up getting this made... be sure to tell people here, i'm sure you 
could make a bit of coin selling those :) (i for one would be happy to take 
one off you if they turn out well ;) )

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Re: GTA03 - buttons or touchscreen

[Dan Leinir Turthra Jensen]

Sunday 26 October 2008 pike wrote:
> Hi
>
> > The reason I want a physical keyboard is because I much prefer a
> > keyboard with tactile feedback - you can feel the button, and you can
> > feel it click down when you press it.
>
> With the risk of being completely OT - you all
> know that the QWERTY keyboard was designed for
> the specific purpose of not having the hammers
> of the typewriter clash if you type too fast ?
> There's nothing very ergonomical about them.
> In that perspective, qwerty layouts have been
> legacy since the 70s.

Yup, acutely aware of this, and also of the fact that i personally find it 
much more difficult to move one finger a short distance than i find it to 
press two fingers in sequence. So... yeah, the guys that designed the qwerty 
keyboard with slowing people down in mind kinda shot themselves in the feet on 
that one ;)

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Re: GTA03 - buttons or touchscreen

[Dan Leinir Turthra Jensen]

Saturday 25 October 2008 Dan Leinir Turthra Jensen wrote:
> Saturday 25 October 2008 JW wrote:
> > Ok Community,
> >
> > vote and tell OM what you want for the next phone
> >
> > [also realise this is still a long time away and Freerunner is available
> > to buy now!]
> >
> > 1) touchscreen (no qwerty buttons) - freerunner, HTC Orbit, iphone
> > 2) qwerty keyboard and tracker ball - blackberry curve
> > 3) combination touchscreen plus qwerty - G1
>
> 3) The touch screen already works, and the addition of a small form factor
> qwerty keyboard underneath a smaller screen* would add functionality, make
> it more geek-friendly, and also force the developers of the different UIs
> to think resolution independence, which is good for the whole reference
> framework thing that OpenMoko also does.
>
> * This has already been aired by people like rasterman - hvga or the like
> is sufficient for the iPhone's, so why not us?
>
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  A small extra note: If this would push the release of the phone back three 
or even six months compared to the other two options, i believe the end 
product would be worth the wait. :)

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Re: GTA03 - buttons or touchscreen

[Dan Leinir Turthra Jensen]

Saturday 25 October 2008 JW wrote:
> Ok Community,
>
> vote and tell OM what you want for the next phone
>
> [also realise this is still a long time away and Freerunner is available to
> buy now!]
>
> 1) touchscreen (no qwerty buttons) - freerunner, HTC Orbit, iphone
> 2) qwerty keyboard and tracker ball - blackberry curve
> 3) combination touchscreen plus qwerty - G1

3) The touch screen already works, and the addition of a small form factor 
qwerty keyboard underneath a smaller screen* would add functionality, make it 
more geek-friendly, and also force the developers of the different UIs to 
think resolution independence, which is good for the whole reference framework 
thing that OpenMoko also does.

* This has already been aired by people like rasterman - hvga or the like is 
sufficient for the iPhone's, so why not us?

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Re: Freerunner won't charge, and won't start anymore due to out of power

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Tuesday 02 September 2008 Paul V. Borza wrote:
> Everything would be great, but I don't have the wall charger with me, and I
> won't have it near me anytime soon (three weeks).However, I've got another
> charger from another phone that says:
> Input: 100-240V~0.2A 50-60Hz
> Output: 5V 1A LPS
>
> This is the charger for a HTC phone, can't remember the model right now.
> Is that charger ok to use with the Neo?

  Well, it's less powered than the official charger, which has
Input: 100-240V~/0.3A, 47-63Hz
Output: +5V 2.0A
  ...so my guess is it'd not fry anything at least :) But... give that hold-
aux-then-plug-in thing with the USB cable, who knows, it might work :)

> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
> > Tuesday 02 September 2008 Paul V. Borza wrote:
> > > I've flashed the updated 2008.8 on my Freerunner, and then left it for
> > > a couple of days without turning on.Yesterday I've tried to turn it on:
> > > it starts, the Openmoko logo appears, and then it suddenly turns off.
> > >
> > > I think this is because of the battery that is already out of power.
> > > However, I've tried connecting the Freerunner to the USB for more than
> > > 12 hours, but the battery won't charge - or at least I think it's not
> > > charging, because whenever I turn it on, the same out of the blue
> >
> > shutdown
> >
> > > happens.
> > >
> > > Has anyone got a similar behavior?
> > > Should/is the Neo charging when is turned off and connected to the PC?
> > > I can't use it right now, because it won't even boot, because during
> >
> > boot,
> >
> > > it shuts down.
> > >
> > > Thanks.
> >
> >   i thought due to all the people spreading the no charge when battery is
> > dead
> > meme that i'd need to get a wall charger, but a re-read of the battery
> > page on
> > the wiki provided me with a very simple (if slightly obscure) semi-fix:
> >
> > 1. Push and hold the AUX button
> > 2. Plug in the wall charger
> > 3. Select "Boot" in uboot
> > 4. Wait while your phone boots up :)
> >
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Re: Freerunner won't charge, and won't start anymore due to out of power

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Tuesday 02 September 2008 Paul V. Borza wrote:
> I've flashed the updated 2008.8 on my Freerunner, and then left it for a
> couple of days without turning on.Yesterday I've tried to turn it on: it
> starts, the Openmoko logo appears, and then it suddenly turns off.
>
> I think this is because of the battery that is already out of power.
> However, I've tried connecting the Freerunner to the USB for more than 12
> hours, but the battery won't charge - or at least I think it's not
> charging, because whenever I turn it on, the same out of the blue shutdown
> happens.
>
> Has anyone got a similar behavior?
> Should/is the Neo charging when is turned off and connected to the PC?
> I can't use it right now, because it won't even boot, because during boot,
> it shuts down.
>
> Thanks.

  i thought due to all the people spreading the no charge when battery is dead 
meme that i'd need to get a wall charger, but a re-read of the battery page on 
the wiki provided me with a very simple (if slightly obscure) semi-fix:

1. Push and hold the AUX button
2. Plug in the wall charger
3. Select "Boot" in uboot
4. Wait while your phone boots up :)

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Re: InvibleShield at ZAGG : swindling ?!?

[Dan Leinir Turthra Jensen]

Tuesday 05 August 2008 Cédric DUFOUIL wrote:
> Hi community,
>
> I ordered an InvibleShield protection at Zagg.com for my freerunner the
> 18th of july and have been charged on my credit card but have no news about
> my order (despite the fact that I sent them emails !!)
>
> I would like to know if any of you had troubles ordering on this web site.
> Did you receive your order ?
>
> Thanks for your testimony
>
>
> (PS : Sorry if my email is not well formed, I'm not an English speaker)

  i received mine, in fact extremely rapidly considering i chose the 
cheapskate free shipping option that's supposed to take a couple of weeks (it 
arrived in two days). So, i can only say that my experience is positive :)

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Re: Battery Lifetime

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Friday 18 July 2008 arne anka wrote:
> > I'm thinking of getting out of this mailing list because it fills up my
> > inbox each day. Can someone please create a forum instead. I've been
> > part of a lot of mailing lists and this one is too much.
>
> please, check the archives and the wiki -- there are fora already.
> else you could follow the list through gmane or markmail (i think), which
> both provide a forum-like gui.

  Or, you know, use an email client which filters stuff and threads it... ;)

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Re: Inter-Freerunner Connectivity

[Dan Leinir Turthra Jensen]

Monday 30 June 2008 Jay Vaughan wrote:
> >  i just attended a convention where one of the events was an
> > experimental
> > music set by one of the attendees using a Tenori-On (and jamming
> > with another
> > attendee on a digeridoo[1]),
>
> Yes, the tenori-on is definitely do-able with the OM phone .. I used
> to work for a major synth mfr, specifically working on a linux-for-
> music-gear distribution, but now I work for THALES making embedded
> systems for trains.
>
> I would love to work on an OM-compatible synth platform, but until
> then, I'll just keep working on OM-based music software to release
> shortly .. ;)
>
> > and during the session it struck me that the
> > OpenMoko platform would be able to do something similar to this, or
> > at the
> > very least be able to provide some nifty stuff in the same sort of
> > vein of
> > thought - maybe not as powerful (since the Tenori-On is a dedicated
> > sound
> > device, and thus has been able to be geared for this wrt multiple
> > voices and a
> > very powerful sound chip and such), but... you know, just a mind-
> > burp, really,
> > but still :)
>
> You really *don't* need a very powerful system to do interesting
> audio, and Yamaha (who I have also worked for in the past) know this
> very, very well .. there is a lot of hype about it, sure, because DSP
> is inherently difficult for a lot of people to grasp, but we can do a
> lot of interesting things with the OM hardware, for sure ..
>
> FWIW, the Nintendo DS currently has some exciting apps being written
> for it, in the music-making department, and they work very well.  Some
> of these apps will make their way over to OM once Freerunner starts
> getting a little traction, I imagine ..

  This is very, very interesting news :) Very interesting indeed :)

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Re: Inter-Freerunner Connectivity

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Monday 30 June 2008 Jay Vaughan wrote:
> > Would you explain this a little more, I'm not sure what you mean.
>
> I am developing a soft-synth for OpenMoko, and I believe others are
> too.  We would like to jam together, but don't have a mixer.  So we
> route the audio of one phone to the other, and do 'soft mixing' on the
> master phone ..

  i just attended a convention where one of the events was an experimental 
music set by one of the attendees using a Tenori-On (and jamming with another 
attendee on a digeridoo[1]), and during the session it struck me that the 
OpenMoko platform would be able to do something similar to this, or at the 
very least be able to provide some nifty stuff in the same sort of vein of 
thought - maybe not as powerful (since the Tenori-On is a dedicated sound 
device, and thus has been able to be geared for this wrt multiple voices and a 
very powerful sound chip and such), but... you know, just a mind-burp, really, 
but still :)

[1] http://youtube.com/watch?v=Xq5GHUKB4Y8

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Re: Input Methods

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You may wish to take a look at this page:
http://labs.trolltech.com/page/Projects/Accessibility/QDasher

i an sure that Harald would welcome any help with the project :)

Monday 23 June 2008 Vincent MEURISSE wrote:
> This is very impressive... and so fun to write something with it :)
> As soon as I get my freerunner, I start working on porting this. I
> cannot start working before that cause it hate working with
> simulators.
>
> On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 17:50, Yogiz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Sat, 21 Jun 2008 11:56:39 +0200
> >
> > "Francesco Cat" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> what about implementing Dasher as an alternative input method? I am
> >> using it in this moment to write this email and it's really powerful.
> >> According to their site, experienced people do rach the speed of
> >> twenty words in a minute using an eyetracker! The other important
> >> thing is that it's utf compatible and supports lots of languages.
> >> Plus, it is open source software and has a nice learning curve. Give
> >> it a chance!ù
> >>
> >> http://www.inference.phy.cam.ac.uk/dasher/
> >
> > I second this idea. I saw Dasher on a gnome desktop some time ago and
> > immediately thought of Openmoko. I think it deserves a try.
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Re: OT: Nokia expects open source developers to accept things like DRM, commercial IP rights, and SIM locks.

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Friday 13 June 2008 Andy Powell wrote:
> > "Why do we need closed vehicles? We do," he said.
> > "Some of these things harm the industry but they're here [as things
> > stand]."
>
> Thanks for posting this. It has just highlighted how Nokia really still
> just don't get it.

  A lot of people look for the worst in others, and i try to generally play 
the other side. Look in the snip i did above, and try to read what else the 
guy is saying: He doesn't like DRM in principle, but realise that the carriers 
like it enough that if Nokia's handsets did not support it, they wouldn't do 
any business (they make a LOT of money through subsidised handsets). This is 
something people might have understood here as well, if they had attended 
Knut's talk at FOSDEM this year, where he tackled the subject as well. It was 
a rather enlightening talk for a large number of the attendees as i remember 
it.

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Re: Why not use foru

[Dan Leinir Turthra Jensen]

Friday 13 June 2008 arne anka wrote:
> >> Plus, forums usually have provisions for storage and selective
> >> notifications.
> >
> > you mail client doesn't store your email? wow! :)
>
> do you store everry mail?

  Nah... GMail does that for you ;)

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Re: Is case design changing for GTA03?

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Sunday 08 June 2008 Ortwin Regel wrote:
> Wow, that's quite awesome! I read around a little and it seems to be
> made by CraigX who is also behind the Pandora and is interested in
> selling Openmoko phones in the UK. So getting him to make a variant of
> this design for future (or present?) Openmoko phones might actually be
> a realistic possibility!

  Well, seeing as though the schematics for the case are freely available, he 
wouldn't even need to make it hook onto the existing case, he could 
potentially make it a *proper* case :)

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Re: Cleared to start Mass production

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Thursday 05 June 2008 steve wrote:
>  The latest update I have from the factory indicates that mass Production (
> that means running the SMT line without stopping to check stuff every two
> seconds) has been CLEARED TO START.
>

  This is roughly the best news since hmm... i'm not entirely sure, since some 
really good news ;)

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dennis
> Wollersheim
> Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 9:16 PM
> To: List for Openmoko community discussion
> Subject: Re: OpenMOKO availbility
>
> It will be available soon (within one month would be my guess).  Does
> anyone else have a better guess?
>
> You cannot book an order at present.  I reckon they will be able to ship to
> Pakistan.
>
> Cheers
> Dennis
>
> Masoom Alam wrote:
> > Hi every one,
> >
> > I wanted to ask, that when the latest version of the openmoko will be
> > available (seems a stupid question, as we can see a lot of posts on
> > the mailing list :)).
> > Actually, I dont want to wait for one year this time, therefore asking
> > this question.
> >
> > Plus, is there is any possiblity at the moment to book an order for me
> > in advance now?
> >
> > Plus, I want to ship the latest version to Pakistan, any
> > recommendation in this regard?
> >
> > Regards,
> > MM Alam
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: 2.5mm or 3.5mm

[Dan Leinir Turthra Jensen]

Friday 30 May 2008 skrev Joerg Reisenweber:
> Hi community!
> A short poll: on a future GTA0x (>2), would you prefer to have
> A) "standard" 2.5mm headset (mic+phones) connector, where you have to buy a
> cheap adapter if you want to use your "old" headphones, (the way like it's
> for GTA01/02)
> or
> B) classic 3.5mm headphones "Walkman(R)" connector, where you have to DIY
> an adapter for any standard cellphone headset? (or does anybody know of
> 3.5mm headSET standards or adapters?)
>
>
> please hurry to vote, we have to make a decision. Thanks
>
> cheers
> jOERG
> Openmoko-HW-development

  Absolutely classic 3.5mm - a bluetooth headset is not a particularly big 
payout these days, and certainly won't be any more so when GTA03 is released, 
so... i'd certainly go with 3.5mm.

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Re: Switch from GTK to QT (was: ASU software - pre-pre-release impressions)

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Tuesday 20 May 2008 skrev Carlo E. Prelz:

> I write code as a job (have been doing that for longer than I wish to
> remember). C and Ruby are my current tools.

  Well... Why not use the Qt bindings for Ruby, then?  
http://rubyforge.org/projects/korundum/

  (also, i might make the note, that while C++ itself might give you a 
headache, using Qt is really rather different from using pure C++, but as 
you're so very experienced, i suspect you already know this :) )

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Re: OM IDE (was: Re: Common Lisp for OM (Was: Programming OM))

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Wednesday 07 May 2008 skrev Lally Singh:
> You're welcome to do so :-)
>
> I use NB for development for my day job & the PhD.  I also have no
> respect for KDevelop.  I think it's almost as terrible as Visual
> Studio.

  Note, please, that i said KDevelop 4, not KDevelop ;) There's a huge 
difference, you see :) They *know* the old code is dodgy, enough to be 
unfixable - so they're basically doing it from scratch. Give the new one a 
shot, is all i can say :)

>
> On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 1:29 PM, Dan Leinir Turthra Jensen
>
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Hmm... KDevelop 4? (it's being reimplemented and is looking super-nifty
> > by now) :)
> >
> >  Wednesday 07 May 2008 skrev Lally Singh:
> > > Nah, I'd been planning on getting haskell up for OM.  They already
> > >
> >  > have a basic ARM target for ghc, and there's already a haskell->GTK
> >  > mapping.
> >  >
> >  > But, now that we're talking about development environments,  who'd be
> >  > interested in using an IDE for developing OM?
> >  >
> >  > I was thinking about putting together a Netbeans plugin to dev for it.
> >  >  I'm wondering:
> >  > 1. anyone want to use such a thing?
> >  > 2. anyone wanna help?
> >  >
> >  > I'll be using Mac OS X & solaris personally (probably more of the
> >  > latter), but if someone'd be up for testing it on Linux, I'd be happy
> >  > to support that too.  A nice little basis to create wizards for all
> >  > kinds of OM applications, plugins, etc. sounds like good community
> >  > open-source fun.
> >  >
> >  > I'd consider this my first big contribution to OM, so I'm happy to do
> >  > it.
> >  >
> >  > Please, no religious wars on Java/NetBeans, etc.  Feel free to use the
> >  > work for your own desires after, but I've been through enough dev
> >  > cycles on other platforms that I'm feeling pretty firm on this.
> >  >
> >  > If you say 'Eclipse', I'm going to traceroute you from a cell modem in
> >  > my car, and bring a baseball bat with me.
> >  >
> >  > On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 10:32 AM, Oliver Uvman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >
> >  wrote:
> >  > > Jesus! I thought I was the only one wanting to program CL on the OM.
> >  > >  I've had lots of interesting ideas on how to use a gesture-based
> >  > >  interface for writing CL, which could work only thanks to the
> >  > > sparse syntax, and plan to make that some of the first things I
> >  > > program for my OM. Hooray!
> >  > >
> >  > >  /Oliver Uvman
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Re: OM IDE (was: Re: Common Lisp for OM (Was: Programming OM))

[Dan Leinir Turthra Jensen]

Hmm... KDevelop 4? (it's being reimplemented and is looking super-nifty by 
now) :)

Wednesday 07 May 2008 skrev Lally Singh:
> Nah, I'd been planning on getting haskell up for OM.  They already
> have a basic ARM target for ghc, and there's already a haskell->GTK
> mapping.
>
> But, now that we're talking about development environments,  who'd be
> interested in using an IDE for developing OM?
>
> I was thinking about putting together a Netbeans plugin to dev for it.
>  I'm wondering:
> 1. anyone want to use such a thing?
> 2. anyone wanna help?
>
> I'll be using Mac OS X & solaris personally (probably more of the
> latter), but if someone'd be up for testing it on Linux, I'd be happy
> to support that too.  A nice little basis to create wizards for all
> kinds of OM applications, plugins, etc. sounds like good community
> open-source fun.
>
> I'd consider this my first big contribution to OM, so I'm happy to do it.
>
> Please, no religious wars on Java/NetBeans, etc.  Feel free to use the
> work for your own desires after, but I've been through enough dev
> cycles on other platforms that I'm feeling pretty firm on this.
>
> If you say 'Eclipse', I'm going to traceroute you from a cell modem in
> my car, and bring a baseball bat with me.
>
> On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 10:32 AM, Oliver Uvman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> > Jesus! I thought I was the only one wanting to program CL on the OM.
> >  I've had lots of interesting ideas on how to use a gesture-based
> >  interface for writing CL, which could work only thanks to the sparse
> >  syntax, and plan to make that some of the first things I program for
> >  my OM. Hooray!
> >
> >  /Oliver Uvman
> >
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Re: 10 PACK UPDATE!!!

[Dan Leinir Turthra Jensen]

That's the old page, the current one is:
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GroupSales

Monday 28 April 2008 skrev James Olney:
> Hello,
> put your name down here,
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Group_Order
>
> warm regards
> James
>
> 2008/4/28 Ofer Herman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > Shachar,
> >
> > Please include me in the Israeli buying group.
> > Maybe we should open a group page in openmoko wiki?
> >
> > Ofer
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Re: 10 PACK UPDATE!!!

[Dan Leinir Turthra Jensen]

Friday 25 April 2008 skrev Kevin Dean:
> I've not had ANYONE comment "it's ugly" but just about everyone I've
> handed it to said "It's HUGE".

  Well... i must say that it's the comment i've gotten when showing the 
pictures and such to people. Either "It's really big, isn't it?" or "Damn, 
that's one ugly thing", very often along with a description of items they 
think they resemble (ice hockey pucks and such things)

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Re: Vienna - group order

[Dan Leinir Turthra Jensen]

Friday 25 April 2008 skrev Jay Vaughan:
> > Willing to build a group for ordering here in vienna, austria - maybe
> > austria in general.
> > pls contact me directly to my gmx account.
>
> We've already got a 'group buy' page here at Metalab, Vienna .. maybe
> you want to participate in that?
>
> http://metalab.at/wiki/OpenMoko
>
> And there is a plan to get our OpenMoko user group days fixed and
> happening on a regular basis too ..

  Why is this not linked from the Group Sales page on the openmoko wiki? :) 
Spread the word a bit? :)

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Re: Video of Qt 4.4 on Neo1973: brings iPhone like graphics

[Dan Leinir Turthra Jensen]

Wednesday 23 April 2008 skrev Marco Trevisan (Treviño):
> Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote:
> > (both gtk/qt/qtopia/qopenmoko) :P
>
> Just a typo, eh! I meant just "openmoko" :P

  While we're fixing typos, i'm sure you meant to write Qt, and not QT (which 
we all of course know is short for QuickTime, not Cute ;) )

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Re: Group Sales in Denmark

[Dan Leinir Turthra Jensen]

Sunday 20 April 2008 skrev Jens Fursund:
> Just wanted to put the word out! We are five people in Denmark trying to
> make a group sale, so if anyone is interested please go to the Group
> Sales wiki-site and put your name in the list.
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GroupSales
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Jens

  Good call, thanks! i should've probably tossed out a mail like this when i 
first created that country in there, so thanks! :)

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Re: wiki help

[Dan Leinir Turthra Jensen]

Thursday 17 April 2008 skrev Steven Le Roux:
> less readable but very easier that way :)

  Yeah, it's a kind of trade-off :) More people using it, or easier to read... 
i thought the first was the better choice *giggles* :)

> good job ;)

  Thanks! :)

>
>
> On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 4:20 PM, Dan Leinir Turthra Jensen
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> wrote:
> > Done :)
> >
> > Thursday 17 April 2008 skrev Steven Le Roux:
> > > sure why not !
> > >
> > > On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 7:27 AM, Dan Leinir Turthra Jensen
> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >
> > > wrote:
> > > > Wednesday 16 April 2008 skrev Shawn:
> > > > > Hey, does someone mind answering a wiki editing question for me
> > > > > (off
> > > >
> > > > list
> > > >
> > > > > that is)?
> > > > >
> > > > > It's about editing tables, specifically the group sales page.
> > > > >
> > > > > thanks,
> > > > >
> > > > > . . .Shawn
> > > >
> > > >   To be entirely honest, i am not sure who figured out that a list of
> > > > this sort would be good to make using wikimedia's table layout
> > > > system, which is widely known as the single most convoluted system
> > > > out there (mixing html and
> > > > wiki code? brilliant choice ;) ).
> > > >  Surely, using a simple nested list would make better sense here? (if
> > > > people
> > > > accept this, i would like to volunteer to convert the table from its
> > > > current
> > > > state to a nested table with the same data)
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Re: wiki help

[Dan Leinir Turthra Jensen]

Done :)

Thursday 17 April 2008 skrev Steven Le Roux:
> sure why not !
>
> On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 7:27 AM, Dan Leinir Turthra Jensen
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> wrote:
> > Wednesday 16 April 2008 skrev Shawn:
> > > Hey, does someone mind answering a wiki editing question for me (off
> >
> > list
> >
> > > that is)?
> > >
> > > It's about editing tables, specifically the group sales page.
> > >
> > > thanks,
> > >
> > > . . .Shawn
> >
> >   To be entirely honest, i am not sure who figured out that a list of
> > this sort would be good to make using wikimedia's table layout system,
> > which is widely known as the single most convoluted system out there
> > (mixing html and
> > wiki code? brilliant choice ;) ).
> >  Surely, using a simple nested list would make better sense here? (if
> > people
> > accept this, i would like to volunteer to convert the table from its
> > current
> > state to a nested table with the same data)
> >
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Re: wiki help

[Dan Leinir Turthra Jensen]

In that case, i shall go right ahead with that :)

Thursday 17 April 2008 skrev Steven Le Roux:
> sure why not !
>
> On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 7:27 AM, Dan Leinir Turthra Jensen
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> wrote:
> > Wednesday 16 April 2008 skrev Shawn:
> > > Hey, does someone mind answering a wiki editing question for me (off
> >
> > list
> >
> > > that is)?
> > >
> > > It's about editing tables, specifically the group sales page.
> > >
> > > thanks,
> > >
> > > . . .Shawn
> >
> >   To be entirely honest, i am not sure who figured out that a list of
> > this sort would be good to make using wikimedia's table layout system,
> > which is widely known as the single most convoluted system out there
> > (mixing html and
> > wiki code? brilliant choice ;) ).
> >  Surely, using a simple nested list would make better sense here? (if
> > people
> > accept this, i would like to volunteer to convert the table from its
> > current
> > state to a nested table with the same data)
> >
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Re: wiki help

[Dan Leinir Turthra Jensen]

Thursday 17 April 2008 skrev Brenda Wang:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:How_to_edit_a_page

  The point is, really, that any page of this type (you know, one where people 
are supposed to sign up all quick and stuff) should not really require a 
manual to edit ;)

> geek wrote:
> > I struggled with that myself last night.
> >
> > goto the group sales table, click edit...look at Los Angeles and folow
> > pattern?
> >
> > It you have specific Q , hit me back...
> >
> > /matthew
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 4:23 PM, Shawn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > wrote:
> >
> > Hey, does someone mind answering a wiki editing question for me
> > (off list that is)?
> >
> > It's about editing tables, specifically the group sales page.
> >
> > thanks,
> >
> > . . .Shawn
> >
> >
> > 
> > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it
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Re: wiki help

[Dan Leinir Turthra Jensen]

Wednesday 16 April 2008 skrev Shawn:
> Hey, does someone mind answering a wiki editing question for me (off list
> that is)?
>
> It's about editing tables, specifically the group sales page.
>
> thanks,
>
> . . .Shawn

  To be entirely honest, i am not sure who figured out that a list of this 
sort would be good to make using wikimedia's table layout system, which is 
widely known as the single most convoluted system out there (mixing html and 
wiki code? brilliant choice ;) ).
  Surely, using a simple nested list would make better sense here? (if people 
accept this, i would like to volunteer to convert the table from its current 
state to a nested table with the same data)

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Re: Qtopia on Neo FreeRunner?

[Dan Leinir Turthra Jensen]

Wednesday 16 April 2008 skrev Jeff Tranter:
> Are there any plans to support Qtopia on the Neo FreeRunner GTA02?

  There's a press release somewhere that the Trolls suggest using the 
Freerunner - this of course happened the same time as the GreenPhone sold 
out :) In short: They need a generic target, and the Freerunner is it :)

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Re: Coolest thing at ETech (other than Openmoko :-) ): Fireeagle

[Dan Leinir Turthra Jensen]

Thursday 06 March 2008 skrev Nick Guenther:
> Big Brother much?

  Nope, Big Brother isn't opt-in, this is ;)

> On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 4:48 PM, Dean Collins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > What its going to be.. is a series of api's to allow you to;
> >
> >  'provide' your physical location (manual web entry-sms-gps phone
> >  app)
> >
> >  'promote or interact out onto other platforms (facebook,blog, widgets
> >  etc) your location automaticgically.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >  Regards,
> >
> >  Dean Collins
> >  Cognation Pty Ltd
> >  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >  +1-212-203-4357
> >  +61-2-9016-5642 (Sydney in-dial).
> >
> >  > -Original Message-
> >  > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:community-
> > >
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ivo Anjo
> > >
> >  > Sent: Wednesday, 5 March 2008 4:25 PM
> >  > To: List for OpenMoko community discussion
> > >
> > > Subject: Re: Coolest thing at ETech (other than Openmoko :-) ):
> >
> >  Fireeagle
> >
> >  > I couldn't find a great deal of info about it. What is it really? Can
> >  > anyone elaborate further?
> >  >
> >  > Ivo Anjo
> >  >
> >  > On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 9:17 PM, Dean Collins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >
> >  wrote:
> >  > > I received a beta invite to it yesterday.
> >  > >
> >  > >  I thought wow sounds neathmmm maybe not - there are no actual
> >  > >  applications available and only supports manual web page entry of
> >
> >  your
> >
> >  > >  location.
> >  > >
> >  > >  Sure there's a bunch of 'potential alpha' api codes but nothing you
> >  > >  couldn't hack together yourself.
> >  > >
> >  > >  Like I said neat concept but came out of beta way way too early.
> >  > >
> >  > >
> >  > >
> >  > >  Regards,
> >  > >
> >  > >  Dean Collins
> >  > >  Cognation Pty Ltd
> >  > >  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >  > >  +1-212-203-4357
> >  > >  +61-2-9016-5642 (Sydney in-dial).
> >  > >
> >  > >  > -Original Message-
> >  > >  > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:community-
> >  > >  > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Shiloh
> >  > >  > Sent: Wednesday, 5 March 2008 3:47 PM
> >  > >  > To: List for OpenMoko community discussion
> >  > >  > Subject: Coolest thing at ETech (other than Openmoko :-) ):
> >
> >  Fireeagle
> >
> >  > >  > Take a look at this and think about what we can do on Openmoko
> >
> >  with
> >
> >  > >  this:
> >  > >  > www.fireeagle.com
> >  > >  >
> >  > >  > Still in beta. Drop me a line if you want an invitation.
> >  > >  >
> >  > >  > Michael
> >  > >  >
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Re: root

[Dan Leinir Turthra Jensen]

Friday 11 January 2008 skrev Brandon Kruse:
> Great, when can I expect your patch?

  Well, i can tell you that much that any patch from my hand would be shunned 
like a demon - while i do code, i have only done so using PHP, C# and C... In 
that order of preference (yes, yes, i know, PHP is made of evil and so on).
  On top of that - i simply thought i would make a note of it, a sort of 
clarification :) Not a -real- suggestion, as there are a whole bunch of 
things that would need to be taken into consideration (for example, if 
kapabilities was implemented all the way like it is in Ark Linux, the users 
would be disabled for login... which sort of defeats the purpose of having 
the ssh server running on the thing).

> Btw, same conceptually, I like to call that particular rambling an
> "idea"

  Yeah, i guess it sort of was :) From my hand, however, it is a not exactly 
well formed idea ;) i try and make actual ideas i give out have more, well... 
substance, shall we say :) i am really a more casual observer here (i have 
FAR too much on my plate as it is), but thought i would make a short notice 
of something that seemed appropriate :)

> 
> Brandon
>
> On Jan 10, 2008, at 4:57 PM, Dan Leinir Turthra Jensen
>
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Thursday 10 January 2008 skrev Brandon Kruse:
> >> Kde and gnome take that precaution with gtk based Sudo when you login
> >> as a normal user (at least in debian/ubuntu) and I like that method.
> >
> >  Not entirely... KDE uses kdesu or kdesudo (depending on
> > distribution), and
> > even Kubuntu uses a Qt/KDE based dialog, not a gtk based one :) Some
> > distributions also use a more granular system of permissions called
> > kapabilities[1], developed for Ark Linux, which gives a specific
> > user rights
> > to use very specific tools. This particular system rubs me very much
> > the
> > right way.
> >
> > [1] http://wiki.arklinux.org/Ark_Security_System
> >
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Re: root

[Dan Leinir Turthra Jensen]

Thursday 10 January 2008 skrev Brandon Kruse:
> Kde and gnome take that precaution with gtk based Sudo when you login
> as a normal user (at least in debian/ubuntu) and I like that method.

  Not entirely... KDE uses kdesu or kdesudo (depending on distribution), and 
even Kubuntu uses a Qt/KDE based dialog, not a gtk based one :) Some 
distributions also use a more granular system of permissions called 
kapabilities[1], developed for Ark Linux, which gives a specific user rights 
to use very specific tools. This particular system rubs me very much the 
right way.

[1] http://wiki.arklinux.org/Ark_Security_System

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