[EMAIL PROTECTED] - non-response

2008-07-30 Thread Dave O'Connor
Hello
I'm wondering has anyone receieved any response from [EMAIL PROTECTED] in 
the last two weeks? I'm trying to get openmoko to resubmit info for 
shipping so I can claim back provincial sales tax for my group but 3 
emails to sales@ since the Friday before last and one email to a specific 
person I won't name @openmoko have resulted in no replies.

Regards
Dave

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Re: $106 in Brokerage!!?!!?!

2008-07-17 Thread Dave O'Connor

I'll second that. UPS suck in a way that makes Dyson jealous. I ordered a 
10 pack and debug board, rang UPS when the package was in transit to have 
a credit card on the account to cover GST so there'd be no bond fees and 
to give them a business number to negate PST and they seem to have 
not done that because some info they didn't ask for was missing.

Now I've had to email [EMAIL PROTECTED] to get them to resubmit the shipping 
info. This is following the package arriving after their guaranteed 
shipping date (grounds for a refund which I might request if they don't 
sort this out) *and* they've mentioned a $50 charge for reprocessing the 
paperwork even though this is their screw up.

I'd recommend buying from koolu[1] just so you don't have to deal with 
UPS but it would still be good if it was changed to allow multiple 
shipping options which I know is no quick change.

[1]I'm not in any way linked with koolu)



On Thu, 17 Jul 2008, Ben Cadieux wrote:

 Hi Everyone,

 Just figured I would reply again to this to update everyone.  I wasn't
 home that first day they tried delivering it (and left a note
 requesting $106 to be ready for when they come again)...

 The next day they came and said brokerage was $166, not $106 (moving
 the brokerage fee from $58 to $118).  I sent them away, called around,
 and got another broker to handle it.  It's going back to the border
 for re-consignment and it'll be re-delivered to me.

 I can't tell you how angry I am at UPS.  I've had items shipped via
 USPS before and brokerage was very reasonable.  If you guys can
 switch, please do.

 Best Regards,
 Ben Cadieux

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RE: slightly off topic: Rogers Canada slashes data plan pricing

2008-07-09 Thread Dave O'Connor


Ah yes, but rogers now sucks slightly less than the rest.

Bell and Telus just started charging for *incoming* texts.

On Wed, 9 Jul 2008, Crane, Matthew wrote:



listened to customer feedback == anticipated customer backlash and 
competitors taking advantage of backlash

Rogers SUCKS!!


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Wouters
Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 1:32 PM
To: community@lists.openmoko.org
Subject: slightly off topic: Rogers Canada slashes data plan pricing



http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080709.wgtiphone0709/BNStory/Technology/home?cid=al_gam_mostemail

Customers who purchase an iPhone and sign up for a three-year
contract any time between July 11 – when the device goes on sale
– and the end of August will be eligible for a $30-per-month
data plan giving them access to 6-Gigabytes of data. Rogers
previously had charged $100 for a 6-GB plan.

Though mostly meant for the iphone, they say:

The special plan is available not just to iPhone customers,
but any Rogers customer with a 3G next-generation smart phone.

Though Rogers claims to have listened to customer feedback, the article
also quotes:

One blog posting on AppleInsider.com, a popular Apple rumour
site, stated that Apple would divert some iPhone shipments that
had been earmarked for Rogers to Europe for punishment over the
negative publicity, leaving some Rogers outlets with as few as
10 iPhones to sell.

Time to get a USB 3G dongle that works on laptop and openmoko. Though getting
the 3G subscription might allow you the same rates on the 2G network perhaps?

Paul

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Re: slightly off topic: Rogers Canada slashes data plan pricing

2008-07-09 Thread Dave O'Connor
Yep, that's why I won't be giving them my money. I'm on a fido pay as you 
go plan now. $10 a month, 30cent per minute calls. I don't use my 
cellphone much but if they had decent plans I'd use it a lot more. This 
$30 plan is interesting but that depends on if it requires me to sign up 
for other services too and sign into a ridiculous term contract along 
with system access fee scams. If it does then I'll just stick with wifi.

At least then I can get faster speeds and coffee for probably less than 
all those would cost per month :)

On Wed, 9 Jul 2008, Philippe Guillebert wrote:

 Dave O'Connor wrote:
 Bell and Telus just started charging for *incoming* texts.

 The whole thread is just completely insane from an European point of
 view... Your telcos really look greedy from here.

 Sorry for you guys,

 -- 
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Re: Shipping to canada...

2008-07-05 Thread Dave O'Connor
Hello.
I'm in Canada too and myself and Railer from the #openmoko along with
someone in my group have been doing some research into this. 

UPS Suck, they screw you on two main fees, brokerage (customs clearance)
and bond fees.

Bond fees are for them putting up the money for GST which you can pay to
them when the package is in transit if you want to avoid it.

Brokerage fees are the even bigger scam and these are for clearing
customs. (These don't have to be paid at all using fedex or USPS and if
openmoko would notice this in the future and allow more options it would
be very much appreciated :) )

We worked it out that it's just 10 dollars extra to send it expedited
and that includes all of their scam fees.

You can do brokerage yourself and you'd have to look into it and see how
to do it in Alberta. For us this would involve rejecting the package and
their extra fees, going to their depot, which is near the airport in
Vancouver but I don't know what applies to you, and then going to
customs. That's too much time off work for me to be worth it so we're
going to go for the expedited delivery which is much faster and only 10
dollars more expensive than standard delivery + scam fees

Did I mention UPS suck?

Regards
Dave


On Fri, 2008-07-04 at 23:57 -0600, Matthias Stone wrote:
 These are probably silly questions, but I ask anyway (and thank you
 for your replies)
  
 a)  In shipping the phone (freerunner) to Canada, are any
 taxes/duty/fees applied? (buying from openmoko.com webstore)
  
 b)  How long would you expect it to take to ship to Alberta using the
 normal (aka cheapest) shipping rate?
  
 Thanks,
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RE: Shipping to canada...

2008-07-05 Thread Dave O'Connor
No ten packs :/



On Sat, 2008-07-05 at 18:09 -0700, steve wrote:
 Check out Koolu. They have just signed up as a distributor for Canada and
 the US. 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave O'Connor
 Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 11:27 PM
 To: List for Openmoko community discussion
 Subject: Re: Shipping to canada...
 
 Hello.
 I'm in Canada too and myself and Railer from the #openmoko along with
 someone in my group have been doing some research into this. 
 
 UPS Suck, they screw you on two main fees, brokerage (customs clearance) and
 bond fees.
 
 Bond fees are for them putting up the money for GST which you can pay to
 them when the package is in transit if you want to avoid it.
 
 Brokerage fees are the even bigger scam and these are for clearing customs.
 (These don't have to be paid at all using fedex or USPS and if openmoko
 would notice this in the future and allow more options it would be very much
 appreciated :) )
 
 We worked it out that it's just 10 dollars extra to send it expedited and
 that includes all of their scam fees.
 
 You can do brokerage yourself and you'd have to look into it and see how to
 do it in Alberta. For us this would involve rejecting the package and their
 extra fees, going to their depot, which is near the airport in Vancouver but
 I don't know what applies to you, and then going to customs. That's too much
 time off work for me to be worth it so we're going to go for the expedited
 delivery which is much faster and only 10 dollars more expensive than
 standard delivery + scam fees
 
 Did I mention UPS suck?
 
 Regards
 Dave
 
 
 On Fri, 2008-07-04 at 23:57 -0600, Matthias Stone wrote:
  These are probably silly questions, but I ask anyway (and thank you 
  for your replies)
   
  a)  In shipping the phone (freerunner) to Canada, are any 
  taxes/duty/fees applied? (buying from openmoko.com webstore)
   
  b)  How long would you expect it to take to ship to Alberta using the 
  normal (aka cheapest) shipping rate?
   
  Thanks,
  Matthias Stone
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Re: not being able to use Skype is a big problem

2008-07-03 Thread Dave O'Connor
On Thu, 3 Jul 2008, Forrest Sheng Bao wrote:

 Well, I happen to have a bunch of friends which are not tech geeks, as well
 as my family members. They can follow instructions to use Skype without
 bothering me. Plus, I am using SkypeIn/SkypeOut plan. I don't have a cell
 phone. So I hope I can continue using it on my new handset. Probably I will
 wait for a while to purchase later version of Neo when I have time to hack
 it. Currently, to save time, I will choose N810, which has everything I need
 out of the box.

 PS: If you wanna call a traditional telephone from a VoIP client, there must
 be a company providing the service to bridging Internet and telephony
 network, right? Do you have such open source solutions? I think the company
 need to pay money to telephony service operator. Who will pay it?

diamondcard.us works with ekiga on my desktop, and on my n800 it's basic 
sip with call out functionality. I haven't shopped around though and have 
only used it once via ekiga on my desktop but it worked perfectly.


 Cheers,
 Forrest

 On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 1:21 AM, Knight Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



 Most people don't want to run Skype, they just happen to run it because
 everyone they talk to through it uses it. They don't really care other
 than it makes calls cheap/free. Maybe they use Skype-in/out but from
 what I've seen, most don't. Personally, I prefer a normal VoIP (SIP)
 client, but I don't have a big group of Skype-using friends.


 -KW

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Re: rationale for ASU (and change from GTK to Qt)

2008-06-27 Thread Dave O'Connor

This has been done to death on the mailing list already. The archives 
lists it. Can we move on now please?

On Fri, 27 Jun 2008, Ron K. Jeffries wrote:

 Can someone explain the rationale for the decision
 to switch from the original GTK based OpenMoko
 to QT based version known as April Software Update (ASU)?

 As an observer, it's my impression that ASU
 represents a significant architectural change
 that somehow, Wham! Bang! just happened.

 Transparency is a virtue. g

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RE: warranty

2008-06-25 Thread Dave O'Connor

Is this the final word on warranties or are you still trying to work that 
out?

On Wed, 25 Jun 2008, steve wrote:

 10 pack is a 28 day DOA.

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 Subject: warranty

 Steve/Michael,

 Sorry to be a bother, but could you update us on the U.S. warranty situation
 for the FR?  I understand that there is a 14-day DOA warranty.
  Is that it?  Or will we getting a 1-year or some such?

 Please let us know if there will be a difference in warranty between the 10
 pack and individual unit purchases.

 Thanks.

 Ajit

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Re: warranty

2008-06-25 Thread Dave O'Connor

*sniff* you hurt my feelings :(

:)

Not so long ago steve mentioned that 14 day doa was what the gta01 had and 
until he knew more that was to be expected.

(not his words but I don't have the mail now)

On Wed, 25 Jun 2008, Kevin Dean wrote:

 Realized that looked confrontational. :) I should have phrased it
 There didn't seem to be any indicaiton that this would or has
 changed, do you have reason to doubt that this policy is the official
 one?

 -Kevin

 On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 2:08 PM, Kevin Dean [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Sounds pretty final to me.

 14 day DOA on individual units.
 28 day DOA on 10-pack purchases.

 On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 2:02 PM, Dave O'Connor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Is this the final word on warranties or are you still trying to work that
 out?

 On Wed, 25 Jun 2008, steve wrote:

 10 pack is a 28 day DOA.

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 Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 1:41 PM
 To: community@lists.openmoko.org
 Subject: warranty

 Steve/Michael,

 Sorry to be a bother, but could you update us on the U.S. warranty 
 situation
 for the FR?  I understand that there is a 14-day DOA warranty.
  Is that it?  Or will we getting a 1-year or some such?

 Please let us know if there will be a difference in warranty between the 10
 pack and individual unit purchases.

 Thanks.

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Re: warranty

2008-06-25 Thread Dave O'Connor
I'm in Canada and worried about the same thing which is why I asked 
initially.

On Wed, 25 Jun 2008, Ajit Natarajan wrote:

 steve wrote:
  10 pack is a 28 day DOA.

 If that's the only warranty, I'm worried.  Is there any reseller or
 other option in the U.S. that will give us a longer warranty?  Spending
 $369 on a unit with such a short warranty is scary.

 I would like to know how others in the U.S. think about this.  Is this a
 non-issue?

 Thanks.

 Ajit

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Re: bluetooth proximity

2008-06-18 Thread Dave O'Connor
Ok, I just got this email twice. Something's definitely funky with the 
mailing list software. Someone asked to be notified if that happened 
again.

Cheers
Dave

On Wed, 18 Jun 2008, john wrote:

 Saw this at some mobile event:

 http://www.vimeo.com/875097

 2008/6/18 Ewan Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 W. B. Kranendonk wrote:
 --- On Mon, 6/16/08, Tilman Baumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 AVee wrote:

  (...) There are a lot of reasons
 why this is not feasible. Sorry.

 I tend to agree, however, things might change if you

 add gps. You'd might just (...) That leaves only the
 'exact measurement' to be

 solved.

 It might work, but the precision will probably still

 be far to low to be

 useable for anything.



 (absolute position...) But the
 relative position should be extremely high. (As high as
 DGPS can get)

 At least in theory.


 Thanks for thinking along.

 What I was thinking of, in a game setting, to use the phone as some sort of 
 hack  slash device. Given my opponent and me are withing reasonable 
 proximity, she with -say- a spear-device, me with a sword or so. She could 
 try stabbing me, while I parry. The devices have to calculate the hit ratio.

 Would a sound-code offer a possible solution? Could we measure some doppler 
 effect with the built in microphone?

 You'll be better off using the accelerometers...
 And, on a side note... How impact proof will the phone be, might she try 
 throwing her spear? :-P

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Re: QVGA V/s VGA for GTA03 (was something about yummy CPU-GPU combos!)

2008-06-10 Thread Dave O'Connor

I'm with Robert on this one. Took me a while to parse many of the 
characters on that image.

On Tue, 10 Jun 2008, robert lazarski wrote:

 On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 12:12 PM, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 15:57:36 +0300 Dotan Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:

 2008/6/10 The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 nb - your chars just become tall (3x7). eg:


 I understand. I would still like to see a screenshot of fstab or
 xorg.conf open in vim with such a font on qvga screen. I don't mind
 getting used to some displeasures, however others I avoid if possible.

 http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~fine/images/fonts/atari-small-samp.gif


 That's painful for this reader. I couldn't write or read code - or
 anything really - in that font for more than a few seconds. IMHO, It'd
 be kind of ironic that a totally hackable phone wouldn't have the
 ability to read or write text. FYI, I did lasik corrective surgery so
 my eyesight is relatively good .

 Robert

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Re: regarding the 'data security' thread recently

2008-06-10 Thread Dave O'Connor
For bonus marks, have it send gps coordinates charged against the 
new sim card's account every few minutes and see the look on his face 
when cops walk up to him :)


On Tue, 10 Jun 2008, Stroller wrote:


 On 10 Jun 2008, at 14:08, Benedikt Schindler wrote:
 Ilja O. schrieb:
 About data wipe:

 I was thinking -- doesn't eny SIM card have some kind of ID number?
 And if they do, do we have software way to obtain it?

 Phone could wipe itself if another SIM card is inserted AND upon SMS
 message receiving.

 ... by the way : to what phonenumber will you send a sms when the
 thief
 has replaced the sim card?

 LOL.

 This was my first reaction, too, and was just about to post to the
 list and ask the same question when I realised the answer.

 The new phonenumber doesn't matter, because it'll wipe the phone when
 the thief's friend sends them a text message.

 Having said that, why wait for an incoming text?
 Why not just have the phone wipe itself when the SIM card changes?
 You just need to store the original SIM ID in flash memory and check
 against it at start-up. The software can add an additional function
 for change SIM card which will allow the user to do so safely (add
 SIM card is probably better - if it allows the phone to check
 against a whitelist of multiple SIM cards then users can swap between
 two tariffs easily, without having to worry about activating this
 function EVERY time they do so).

 The erasing of personal data can be done silently without alerting
 the user (thief), and doesn't need to interfere with an additional
 feature of phoning home its details in the event of theft http://
 www.guardian.co.uk/business/feedarticle/7565813.

 Stroller.

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Re: Free Runner price vs iphone 3G price

2008-06-10 Thread Dave O'Connor

You've forgotten about the extra grand and a half in contract charges. 
(that's just in the US, I hate to think what they'll be like here in 
Canada).

Seems inexpensive to me :)

On Tue, 10 Jun 2008, Jorge . wrote:


 Hello everyone,

 I dont pretend to start a flamewar of FreeRunner vs iPhone. Everyone knows 
 their advantages and disadvantages and at least for me the main reason to buy 
 an openmoko is the freedom.

 But the new iPhone 3G price was announced, and the 8 Gigas version will cost 
 only $199 USD and it automatically makes the OpenMoko phone expensive, 
 because they have similar characteristics... this could discourage many 
 possible buyers, for purely economical reasons.

 I dont know if the FreeRunner price can be changed at this moment, but now 
 the FreeRunner is less competitive than the iPhone in terms of price.


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RE: Free Runner price vs iphone 3G price

2008-06-10 Thread Dave O'Connor
The software is Free, the hardware is Free but not in the beer sense. 
Look, if om don't make enough money there is no gta04. It has shortcomings 
but it's still much better an idea than the iphone. Your software will be 
free, no 30% cut for developers to go to apple. Your abilities to use the 
device are free. It's a trade off, pay now or pay later through being 
locked down or having to give your developer cut to apple. Your choice.


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 Granted, the Apple and ATT partnership greatly subsidizes the cost,
 because of the $960 ($40/mo unlimited data plan for 2 yrs) to $2400
 ($100/mo unlimited voice/data for 2 yrs) that you'd spend with ATT also
 helps cover the hidden cost of the hardware.

 No doubt, but you can buy unlocked iPhones on many places, including internet 
 and they dont cost $960

 What you're paying the extra money for, for the Freerunner, is the
 freedom of doing whatever you want with your phone. Sure, the iPhone has
 their SDK released, but all applications still have to go through Apple
 to operate on your phone -- I don't know if the SDK even allows you to
 build an application just for your own iPhone to test it. Also, their
 mobile OS is closed source -- you have no access to hack or tweak it to
 do *exactly* what you want it to. You can't change the applications that
 come with the phone, you can't do a lot of things.

 Of course, thats why I want a FreeRunner!! but in the next months surely you 
 can buy an unlocked iPhone 3G on ebay or the chinatown for $200 USD, and it 
 affects the sales of FreeRunner, remember that GT02 is designed for mass 
 production, not only for geeks like us who love free software


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Re: QVGA V/s VGA for GTA03 (was something about yummy CPU-GPU combos!)

2008-06-09 Thread Dave O'Connor
Why not? I do it on a nokia n800. I don't use it a massive amount but it 
is fairly usable and that's also only 480px high (in freerunner landscape, 
in freerunner portrait it's 640px high).


On Mon, 9 Jun 2008, Robert Taylor wrote:

 Chris Wright wrote:
 2008/6/9 Dotan Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 2008/6/9 The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 an 80x24 terminal is possible to make it readable @ qvga - if we allow
 scrolling. (and possible in landscape with an ultra-tiny 4-pixel wide font 
 -
 possible (3 pixels for text, 1 for space). not very nice though.

 That is unusable. I'm sorry, I will not force myself to use that. I
 will buy something else. Using the terminal on a remote machine with a
 4 pixels font is possibile like it is possible to eat cockroaches for
 lunch everyday. There are some 'can get by' that I will not force
 myself to get by with.


 The same with having to flip between right/left panes: it turns a
 half-second operation into a five-second one, and it taxes the brain
 at the same time.

 Moreover, this has to fit a keyboard along with anything else. The
 keyboard itself has very minimal needs in terms of resolution, but it
 steals about a third of the screen in portrait mode, more in landscape
 -- 640x480 is probably a bare minimum. You'd be getting 200 by 240
 usable space with qvga.

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 The keyboard and and landscape mode are very important I think.

 If you are going to be doing ssh of any king you will need a physical
 keyboard (bluetooth or a foldout of some kind in a future model) and you
 will need to be able rotate the screen to landscape mode to get decent
 resolution.

 Now that qt is on x, landscape mode should be easily possible with
 xrandr so the last issue is a kb as in landscape mode its a certainty
 that you wont be able to use an onscreen kb with a stylus and ssh at the
 same time.

 - Rob

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Re: QVGA V/s VGA for GTA03 (was something about yummy CPU-GPU combos!)

2008-06-09 Thread Dave O'Connor
I said this in the channel but you weren't there.

We should be going forward with specs, not backward. By the time the
next revisions come there'll be a whole new generation of hardware so
the freerunner will then be lagging even more. Someone mentioned getting
a faster cpu and my 2c are that I think that that's a much better
option. But it sounds like you've already made the decision.



On Tue, 2008-06-10 at 08:52 +0800, Carsten Haitzler wrote:
 On Mon, 09 Jun 2008 18:43:51 +0200 Peter Kraker [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 babbled:
 
 not going to happen - that's 2 product runs. expensive to maintain. gta03 is
 vga right now - unless there is a very big push to qvga. it is possible to go,
 and not hard at all. it would save costs on hardware, but it won't change at
 this stage. but beyond gta03 it's an open book and who knows - we may likely
 pull out a lower res screen. it is in fact very likely something will be a
 lower res in later products as there is just so much more choice there below
 vga.
 
  How painfull would it be, to sell GTA03 with QVGA and GTA03V version 
  with VGA screen, if those two are indeed very similar ? I'm certain 
  there are enough of us geeks ready to give up some glitter for pixels.
  
  Regards
  Peter Kraker
  
  Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) pravi:
   On Mon, 9 Jun 2008 08:56:22 +0800 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:
  
 
   On Sun, 8 Jun 2008 18:58:15 +0200 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:
  
   
   we could just not ever even ask you guys and you get what you are  
   given. too
   bad. no input at all. i've opened up the floor for input - but i'm  
   trying to
   dig specific things out of it - not things that smell ofi just want  
   higher
   specs. or keeping up with the joneses. i want real use case  
   scenarios that
   make real sense. :)
   
   This discussion starts to become quite boring. Isn't a single  
   potential customer who says
   I want it and I am willing to pay for it enough? There have been  
   several here on this list,
   if I remember correctly who expressed exactly that.
 
   no. it is absolutely not enough. why? i am asked by product management to
   do things that are just not possible in vga (to do sanely/fast). they 
   come
   first. you users come second. in the end if product management want X 
   they
   get X. and if for X to happen we go QVGA, then so be it. you guys lose. i
   need a very very very strong argument against going to qvga - and that
   means product management need to drop a feature.
   
  
   note - i am talking hypothetically. i don't want to discuss vga as a 
   product
   management feature - not if you like it or not, or it looks pretty. i am
   looking for hard cold technical facts. what does it stop being possible
  
   i know:
  
   1. u may need to scroll more
   2. viewing of images/data that just have more pixel content will need to 
   be
   zoomed out and have less display fidelity
   3. some things requiring text displays like 80x24 terminals will be not
   readable at all at font sizes able to fit on the display (they will jut 
   blur
   away all character details).
  
   with almost everything i can think of you can get by qvga by:
  
   1. scaling data
   2. changing font sizes
   3. re-arranging ui elements etc.
  
   no matter what you need to do this even for vga - if coming fro xga land 
   or
   better. it's just a more extreme case.
  
   no mater what at vga - u still need to zoom most web pages. even at 
   800x480
   you still need to. i have a n800. i know how often i have to scroll
   horizontally even with 800pixels to play with. i know what it ends up
   looking like. so qvga is just a more extreme level of zooming or scrolling
   needed.
  
   an 80x24 terminal is possible to make it readable @ qvga - if we allow
   scrolling. (and possible in landscape with an ultra-tiny 4-pixel wide 
   font -
   possible (3 pixels for text, 1 for space). not very nice though.
  
   at some point someone will have to make a call on resolutions. maybe we
   make a much smaller phone with a smaller screen and thus you will need to
   have fewer pixels anyway? who knows. but if there are uses that cannot be
   somehow crammed into qvga, i would like to know.
  
   right now freerunner is vga - and nothing will change.
   gta03 is also vga - it is theoretically possible to change without much
   impact, but chances of a change are very slim, unless qvga is a that's
   fine for everyone ANd product management want to push it. right now they
   don't push one way or another.
   as for future phones - who knows. but knowing what you guys do, want to 
   do,
   and need is important. so we need to think of more virtual framebuffer
   technology? (eg advertise a higher res but scale down with a compositor?).
   is high-res an absolute must for functionality for your uses, or just a
   nice to have to show off with?
  
 
   BTW: a use 

Re: Yummy new CPU/GPU combo

2008-06-07 Thread Dave O'Connor
Just out of interest, why don't other countries get access to these
components sooner? Why do Japanese consumers get them first? Do they pay
significantly more than the rest on phones so they're a better market
for manufacturers or could openmoko steal a lead here in the rest of the
world?

Might it be an idea to appeal to these component manufacturers
competitive sides and say if you give us the specs to write open
drivers we can give you sales in the rest of the world?

Regards
Dave


On Sat, 2008-06-07 at 16:51 +0800, Wilkinson, Alex wrote:
 0n Fri, Jun 06, 2008 at 12:46:57PM +1000, Carsten Haitzler wrote: 
 
 On Thu, 5 Jun 2008 10:20:44 -0400 (EDT) Ken Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 babbled:
 
  Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
  
   quick question - would you prefer a qvga lcd (save a bit of cost)
   since we'e going to need to software-drive all graphics - the fewer
   pixels you have to fill, the better for speed. i'm really tossing up 
 if
   the speed of qvga is worth the loss of resolution. i'm just not sure.
  
  Please, please, please, please, please don't drop to a QVGA LCD on
  future OM phones.   The beautiful full VGA screens on the neo and
  Freerunner are just about the only piece of hardware they have which
  is better than what you find on a typical smart phone.
 
 you haven't been to japan lately. a whole host of their phones are 
 834x480...
 in 3.2 screens! totally nuts!
 
 Raster, got a link to any pictures of these magic phones ?
 
  -aW
 
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Re: Yummy new CPU/GPU combo

2008-06-07 Thread Dave O'Connor
Thanks for the response and don't take this the wrong way but it doesn't
really answer my question. :)

Openmoko could take these sweet spec components and do stuff with them.
That would lead to increased sales for these component manufacturers.
It's in their interest to make them, and hopefully therefore the specs,
available to you. 1) Why don't they make the components available to
anyone other than the manufacturers for phones meant for the japanese
market, even those who wouldn't care about open specs?

Regards
Dave



On Sun, 2008-06-08 at 10:28 +1000, Carsten Haitzler wrote:
 On Sat, 07 Jun 2008 12:19:08 -0700 Dave O'Connor [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:
 
  Just out of interest, why don't other countries get access to these
  components sooner? Why do Japanese consumers get them first? Do they pay
  significantly more than the rest on phones so they're a better market
  for manufacturers or could openmoko steal a lead here in the rest of the
  world?
  
  Might it be an idea to appeal to these component manufacturers
  competitive sides and say if you give us the specs to write open
  drivers we can give you sales in the rest of the world?
 
 japanese phones are all about tech specs - and that's it. well that and 
 looking
 sexy (nice design/cases). usability is pretty poor. their software and ui's 
 are
 atrocious mostly. but that doesn't matter because they can do the i'm cooler
 than you. my phone has more pixels! (irrespective if they can even use more
 than 10% of the features of the phone, nor see the pixels they have so many
 of...) :)
 
  Regards
  Dave
  
  
  On Sat, 2008-06-07 at 16:51 +0800, Wilkinson, Alex wrote:
   0n Fri, Jun 06, 2008 at 12:46:57PM +1000, Carsten Haitzler wrote: 
   
   On Thu, 5 Jun 2008 10:20:44 -0400 (EDT) Ken Young
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:
   
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:

 quick question - would you prefer a qvga lcd (save a bit of cost)
 since we'e going to need to software-drive all graphics - the 
   fewer
 pixels you have to fill, the better for speed. i'm really tossing
 up if the speed of qvga is worth the loss of resolution. i'm just
 not sure.

Please, please, please, please, please don't drop to a QVGA LCD on
future OM phones.   The beautiful full VGA screens on the neo and
Freerunner are just about the only piece of hardware they have 
   which
is better than what you find on a typical smart phone.
   
   you haven't been to japan lately. a whole host of their phones are
   834x480... in 3.2 screens! totally nuts!
   
   Raster, got a link to any pictures of these magic phones ?
   
-aW
   
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Re: duplicate mail

2008-06-04 Thread Dave O'Connor

Nope, I got that too

On Wed, 4 Jun 2008, Philippe Guillebert wrote:

 Hi list,

 Am I the only one to get some of the e-mails on this list twice ou more
 ? looks like the issue is back ...


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Re: Is anyone else getting 2 or 3 copies of every mails?

2008-05-06 Thread Dave O'Connor
Same here, this happens every once in a while. Wasn't there a stage where 
one message was sent numerous times?


On Wed, 7 May 2008, Stefan Misch wrote:


I have the same problem and ironically I got this Nope, not me twice.

I'm pretty sure, I did not subscribe twice, because I do not get every mail 
twice, only a rare few of them.


I checked the headers of both mails and they seem to be identical save for 
the Message-Id. ([EMAIL PROTECTED] vs. 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]).


It's pretty weird. I always thought it was just someguy accidently sending 
messages twice.


All best,
Stefan

Mo Abrahams wrote:

Nope, not me

On Tue, 2008-05-06 at 14:56 -0700, ian douglas wrote:

Hey all,

I'm randomly getting a second and sometimes a third copy of messages 
coming to the list. For exampe, Torfinn Ingolfsen's last Email with a 
subject line Re: Software -- I got three copies. I also got three copies 
of Bradley Hook's message about the external displays, but only one copy 
of Gabriel Ambeuhl's Email in the same thread.


Anyone else seeing this?

This doesn't affect any other mailing list or personal messages coming to 
my Email account, which helped me pinpoint that it's an issue with the 
OpenMoko community list.


Thanks,
Ian

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Re: FreeRunner delayed a further 6 months?!?!??

2008-03-14 Thread Dave O'Connor


Worst.troll.ever.


On Fri, 14 Mar 2008, Mark wrote:


Wake up, folks, the Neo/Freerunner/whatever is *NEVER* going to be
available as a consumer device. It's *always* going to be a
developer's plaything, and it will never settle on a reasonably static

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Re: Community update: The 850 MHz issue

2007-11-06 Thread Dave O'Connor
Howdy,
I'm in Vancouver too, just tested my phone (motorola L2) against the
850/1900 network and it works (registers with fido) while 900/1800
doesn't. You can only select them in those pairs but I'm not sure how
that will work on the neo.

Can anyone clarify some more?

Regards
Dave

On Mon, 2007-11-05 at 18:19 -0800, Justin Wong wrote:
 Quick (sorta stupid) question.  I'm in Vancouver, Canada.  What does
 not having 850 support mean?
 
 Thanks,
 Justin
 
 
 On Nov 5, 2007 6:08 PM, Tupshin Harper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 FWIW, I was planning on buying a GTA02 as soon as its
 available, but no 
 850 is a deal breaker since I would be using it on ATT's
 network in
 California. I would certainly be willing to buy it without
 900MHZ
 support, though.
 
 -Tupshin
 
 
 Michael Shiloh wrote:
  Unfortunately, this also affects the GTA02, which is now far
 too close
  to production to try to enable quad-band operation.
 
  An 850/1800/1900MHz variant has been suggested but this is
 not yet 
  determined.
 
  Michael
 
 
  Randall Mason wrote:
  Will the GTA02 have the quad band board (full working quad
 band
  capabilities to end users)?
 
  On 11/5/07, *Michael Shiloh*  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Hello Community,
 
  I've just arrived in Taiwan and have figured out the
 quad band
  issue.
 
  The chipset is capable of quad band but the board was
 laid out to 
  only
  support 3 bands. So, 850Mhz is not supported on the
 GTA01 board.
  Instead
  we support 900/1800/1900MHz.
 
  Anyone interested in more details is welcome to email
 me. 
 
  Michael
 
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