Re: Openmoko's downfall (was changing IMEI)
> >Please don't polemize! ROTFL - are you asking me not to bring disagreement here? Incidentally - you're input on the IMEI topic (and much else), is not unappreciated (by me), but freeing the GSM firmware is *cool* Best wishes -- David Matthews m...@dmatthews.org ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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> 2.6.29-rc seems > quite stable but the patch against mainline is horrible, besides it's power > management is worse then it could be. 2.6.39 has hardly nearly unreproducible > problem with resume. > > Now we have free firmware which is cool Yes it is, and those who do not believe so should allow those of us that do value it to enjoy it in peace :-0 - I at least do not need to be told repeatedly how foolish I am for delighting over something someone else believes has zero worth. >but the usablity of the phone hasn't changed much. I disagree - largely thanks to Radek (who is being unnecessarily modest) it's usability has definitely improved. I'm using Qtmoko v54 (with the excellent replacement keyboard) which has 2.6.34 kernel. Since I only went back to using the freerunner as my daily phone when Michael released his work, I only recently realized how usable it is. An occasional reboot is necessary, but no sporadic problem with resume. Power consumption is not great and I wonder if that would be improved by ripping out some stuff I don't need - I would forgo QtMaze for the odd micro amp ^_~ -- David Matthews m...@dmatthews.org ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
ffs-edit-tools
I made a debian package for Qtmoko - it's here if you're interested:- http://winterveldt.co.za/ffs-edit-kit.html -- David Matthews m...@dmatthews.org ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
loadtools packaged for Qtmoko
To further encourage testing of the freecalypso firmware, I've made a debian package of loadtools. No special cables or distro needed and minimal disruption to your everyday Qtmoko system http://winterveldt.co.za/leo2moko-p3.html -- David Matthews m...@dmatthews.org ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Re: TIFFS in vitro analyzer tool released
hi Giacomo >It's been easier than expected: > >root@neo:~# . >/opt/qtmoko/qpe.env > > That's interesting - and it worked without a cacophony as accompaniment? I just tried to confirm this myself; using the cable method it does not work for me on Qtmoko 54. I had the same problem using SHR and following the instructions that Norayr posted, but again using a cable rather than running loadtools on the phone as he did. I put this down to different SHR versions, but maybe that was not the issue. It looks like it may be easier to put a standard distro in a suitable state for flashing the calypso using the loadtools on phone rather than loadtools on PC method. If that's so a debian package of loadtools (to use with qtmoko) would be a useful convenience. -- David Matthews m...@dmatthews.org ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Hi >It looks like you will need to convince the maintainer of Qtmoko to >tell you (and the rest of us) how to get his popular distro working >with FreeCalypso tools. Or you could try the special distro which >David Matthews put together - the 2nd version which works without the >special cable. Making a general purpose distro such as Qtmoko loadtools capable is likely to be a non starter. As well as stopping everything that's accessing the modem - which will likely be the problem Giacomo reported - it's likely to be advisable to rip out all the audio stuff also. hehe - So prepare your qtmoko (by ripping it to shreds), run loadtools to flash your calypso, then reinstall and recover your data from backups :-) Better idea - use the "special distro" (I used Qtmoko as a starting point) with or without the cable - or else build your own single purpose boot_and_run_from_sdcard system. http://winterveldt.co.za/leo2moko-p2.html -- David Matthews m...@dmatthews.org ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: testing the free calypso software
I've now prepared a second distro that can be used to flash the calypso with either of the two methods using Michael's loadtool program. This distro uses QTmoko as a base and includes the loadtool-r2 release and both the leo2moko-r1 and moko11 firmware. As such, you do not need an unlock cable (although you can use this distro in conjunction with one) and you do not need to compile anything on your PC or freerunner. Like my initial offering, this distro runs from sdcard and boots from the NOR menu, so you do not need to disturb anything you have in NAND. Full write up at http://winterveldt.co.za/leo2moko-p2.html My thanks to Michael for his efforts so far to free the calypso and also to Radek for his continued work on QTmoko. -- David Matthews m...@dmatthews.org ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: testing the free calypso software
Hi Giacomo To clarify, there are two methods. The method I describe requires a cable as you run loadtools on your PC. The method Norayr describes does not need a cable as loadtools is run on the freerunner. It was and is my intention to produce an sdcard distro that allows either method. The cable is not expensive though if you don't want to wait a month or so. As for risk - as has been said, if the worst comes to the worst, there are the two methods on the wiki to fall back on. I've flashed the calypso to leo2moko, back to moko11 and back to leo2moko again using the cable / loadtools on PC method. I'm so confident about this (with wheezy on the PC) that I even proceeded with an attempted flash by the other method *after* seeing loadtools report fail with the backup routine. I'd propose that as a good indicator - if you can't run the backup routine successfully, don't proceed with a flash attempt. It's likely my failure with the loadtools on freerunner / no cable method was because my sdcard distro has an ancient kernel. Obviously loadtools has not been widely tested yet, but I'd say there is zero risk with cable method and wheezy on the PC and I'd be very surprised if that does not apply to all recent and current versions of Gnu/Linux. -- David Matthews m...@dmatthews.org ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Re: testing the free calypso software
>Note that because the uSD card distro which David just put together >does not include loadtools internally (requires the use of the serial >cable instead, with loadtools running on your PC), nothing in that >distro became outdated as a result of this new loadtools release. Just >download the new loadtools and build them on your GNU/Linux PC. > Sure Michael - it's as you say. My write up and the distro are for the cable method only, so the new release of loadtools does not does not push it past sell by date. Thanks for the heads up though, because I'm eventually aiming to produce a sdcard distro that gives the option to use either method and that will need to have the latest loadtools installed. -- David Matthews m...@dmatthews.org ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: testing the free calypso software
^_~ whoops >There is a full write up at http://winterveldt.co.za/leo2moko.html,with http://winterveldt.co.za/leo2moko.html is correct -- David Matthews m...@dmatthews.org ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
testing the free calypso software
As the author claims, I've found his early steps towards a freeing of the calypso modem to work in the same way as the official moko11 release. Also the tools he's provided work equally well for flashing the moko11 firmware onto the freerunner as they do his own leo2moko-r1 offering. I've done a bit of work, which I hope will encourage other people to give it a test. There is a full write up at http://winterveldt.co.za/leo2moko.html, with links to a distro I've prepared for the sole purpose of flashing your freerunner's calypso - either with leo2moko or moko11 firmware. The distro runs from sdcard and boots from the freerunners NOR menu, so you do not need to disturb anything in NAND. -- David Matthews m...@dmatthews.org ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Debian on Freerunner+SIP
I tried using SIP (Linphone) on Debian without any luck. After removing echo cancellation in Linphone settings I can hear other side but the I'd be interested in any success reports with linphone or any other sip client on a current freerunner distro Anyone? -- David Matthews m...@dmatthews.org ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Enhancing an RPi with phone capabilities
you can install freewitch on a raspberrypi use the stable release as although the latest version builds, it does not run (at least not for me) http://wiki.freeswitch.org/wiki/Installation_Guide you then have an opening into the world of voip - there are many things taht could be done eg http://robsmart.co.uk/2009/06/02/freeswitch_linksys3102/ apart from the obvious - using a softphone or buying a hardware voip handset. Freeswitch takes several hours to build on the pi, there are asterisk packages in raspbian so that would be an alternative. Don't bother with sipwitch though, which is, to be charitable, a work in progress (it chewed 98% of cpu while doing nothing for me) and is poorly documented. -- David Matthews m...@dmatthews.org ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QtMoko v48 neofreerunner
As a side note. When i select TLS, i'm not sure it's being saved. If i recall correctly, the qtopiamail config file just said I believe it does get saved - you have to watch out when you edit via the gui, the encryption setting for IMAP does not get loaded from the file, so you have to set that each time. encryption type = 2, whatever that means. When i edit account information it just shows up blank. When i select SSL, and save, then edit account info, the form appears with SSL picked. ah - I think this is what I described above - maybe it is just a TLS setting the gui does not load from file. i download Firefox and it comes with n cert signing certificates, how do i know they are secure? But i digress. You digress, but indeed the whole cert signing business by large corporate bodies sucks. -- David Matthews m...@dmatthews.org ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QtMoko v48 neofreerunner
Hi Brian GTA04 over wifi, connecting to my IMAP server with TLS. Thunderbird on my laptop works, and Mutt on the gta04 works, but qtopiamail doesn't. I get this error message: new Qtopia: socketError: 13 : "Error during SSL handshake: error:14094410:SSL routines:SSL3_READ_BYTES:sslv3 alert handshake failure" My misadventures with this have left me perplexed; I don't really understand why it works now after so very may fails - and this against the earlier experience of it never having caused a second thought on v35 for instance. I conclude that is a generic error message that doesn't really point to the problem and I *think* in my case the fix must have been to select the appropriate login method. I believe desktop clients do that automatically ( at least sylpheed does) so I'd no prior reason to engage with this issue. I do think that the lack of ca-certificates was part of the problem. I probably confused things by trying against 3 different smtp servers - maybe each one needs a different method setting and I previously failed to hit on a winning combo. If you like, I can post a copy of my qtopiamail.conf, which works with a fastmail smtp account. Regards -- David Matthews m...@dmatthews.org ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QtMoko v48 neofreerunner
the message in my outbox and then press send message again. otherwise it wont leave the phone. Interesting - it sounds like you've been a bit more persistent than me - at least tangentially. I do believe I've always given up at the first fail - I'll give it another look. Would you agree the the sending procedure you describe was not necessary on earlier versions? -- David Matthews m...@dmatthews.org ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QtMoko v48 neofreerunner
Hi Boudewijn From memory the config file is /home/root/Trolltech/qtopiamail.conf - something like that any way. The issue I have is not with imap - which works fine, rather with sending mail - I have no GTAO4, so this is on a freerunner. I beleive Neil does not have the problem on the GTAO4 - so you should be good on that, it would be more interesting to hear how you got on with th neo. Regards -- David Matthews m...@dmatthews.org ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QtMoko v48 neofreerunner
I didn't investigate the details very closely, but perhaps this is a clue - i.e. that the email problem you see with v48 on Freerunner is to do with the low 2G data rate. Neil, nope. all the testing I did was using my home adsl either by wifi or routing through the desktop machine over usb However on earlier versions (ie up to v35 at least) it definitely worked over 2G as well for me. It would be good to have some more data points. Can anyone else report success/failure with QtMoko v48 email, on - Freerunner - GTA04 on 2G-only (the default) - GTA04 on 3G (requires patching to change "AT_OPSYS=0,2" Yes :-) I'd particularly like to hear if other neo users have found the same as me. -- David Matthews m...@dmatthews.org ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QtMoko v48 neofreerunner
Hi Neil Try next? To be honest I've given up - I'm only mentioning the issue on the basis someone might want to fix it. You say that you can't duplicate the issue - by that do you mean you *can* send email from a freerunner on qtmoko v48? - I had the impression you were more involved on the GTA04 and may not have a freerunner any longer. Do you for instance have an account at either fastmail or inbox.lv that works? If so please let me have the exact settings you use - the qtopiamail.conf file with your account details removed would be great - and I'll prepare to eat my hat. -- David Matthews m...@dmatthews.org ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: problem with microsd
El Friday 28 September 2012 08:24:06 Patryk Benderz va escriure: > Did you tried with another uSD? AFAIR GTA02 was not able to work with > SDHC cards. GTA02 works with SDHC you may remember Openmoko Bug #2364: Hanging micro sdhc card I think it's more accurate to say it works with some of them; this is a confusing area and my experince is that it's easier to buy a SHDC that doesn't work with GAT02 (but is fine in anything else) than one which does. I don't think you can rely per brand or even per brand + capacity -- David Matthews m...@dmatthews.org ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QtMoko v48 neofreerunner
Hi Neil Thanks - I will give that a try. It occurred to me also that since the fastmail smtp server offers a choice of ssl, tls and unencrypted logins on various ports, it will be easy to try the options other than ssl. I'll also do that. Regards More likely errorOccurred, I guess. That's as far as I can get for now; the next step seems to involve a QtopiaIpcAdaptor, which I'm not familiar with. However, I think that point is not far above the raw SMTP level, so I wonder if it would help to enable SMTP logging and see what that shows? To do that, go into Home, Settings, Logging; choose YES twice; then choose "Categories..." from the context menu, and check SMTP; then back all the way out. (You don't need to restart QtMoko, despite what it says.) Then repro the sending error. Then go back into Logging and see what it says. With fingers crossed, Neil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- David Matthews m...@dmatthews.org ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QtMoko v48 neofreerunner
Hi Neil For the mail sending problem, what exactly are the diagnostics? For example, what is it that makes you write "Socket error" above? That's part of the error the neo reports when I try to send mail. I've had a further thought though - that I'm running the original flawed version of v48 with the updated qtmoko Radek produced installed over the top. I guess most people just grabbed the fixed image and reflashed - maybe there's a difference and that's why no one else has reported or confirmed this. I'll reflash with the updated image tonight and see if that makes this go away - if not I'll supply the exact error message. Regards -- David Matthews m...@dmatthews.org ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QtMoko v48 neofreerunner
For me, on GTA04, email is working almost perfectly; I'm also using IMAP. maybe this is just a problem on GTA02? anyone else confirm? For sending, can you ping your SMTP server from the Freerunner? yes For "Get all mail", note that this is visible only on the Email page, not on the parent page for all messages (including SMS), or on the more specific pages for each email account. When I did a "Get all mail", with several thousand messages to download, it did take around a minute (I think) before the application even started showing a progress bar; and it took a few hours to complete that initial download. On the Freerunner, with 2G instead of 3G, I imagine those operations would probably take even longer. well I will look at this again, but this is never something I struggled with on v2x and v3x - the option to fetch mail was always where I'd expect. This time when I did see it, it was rather a surprise as I'd been struggling to make sense of this for 30mins. After that one time when I fetched the mail, I never saw the option to do it again. If you're sure you have IP-level connectivity to your IMAP and SMTP servers, and still things aren't working, perhaps you could use tcpdump to capture the IMAP and SMTP exchanges, then look at that on another computer with Wireshark? there is definitely connectivity that I checked. As I said - the account creation to me is rather tedious, so I just create the account with any old settings and then move the known good qtopiamail.conf into place. I did this with several upgrades before without problem. This time I also tried an alternative smtp server - same error message. I also confirmed I was using the mail settings I thought I was by "editing" after the file had been swapped in and checking what was there. In summary - although I doubt it, one issue maybe my pebkac, the other is surely a real problem. -- David Matthews m...@dmatthews.org ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QtMoko v48
Hi Radek I just installed the v48 (not upgraded from v47) on the uSD, I confirm the problem with the sms. Hi, i have reverted commit that made the problem [1]. You can download rebuilt libraries to fix the problem here [2]. I'm guessing those are for GTA04? Is there somewhere we can get the version 47 tarball for freerunner? I guess we can just use the files from there? Regards -- David Matthews m...@dmatthews.org ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Serdar Dere Android on Freerunner Mirrors ?
+++ urodelo [04/05/12 09:35 +0200]: Hi, you can find updated (but experimental) builds for both nand and sd here: http://serdar-dere.net/~ran/ Hi Thomas yeah urodelo is correct, in fact that's where I got them from - the same files are still there so I think you do not need me. I found the cupcake images pretty damn stable - in fact I liked them so much I eventually bought an android phone (the larger screen did it for me). That's probably not the recommendation that Alexander would like :) but battery life was the only drawback cf qtmoko and shr as far as I was concerned. -- David Matthews m...@dmatthews.org ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: question about installing android on FR
+++ a dehqan [19/01/12 11:05 +0330]: My question was about installing android on NAND without uSD and Now Android comes up but becaue of lacking userdata partition can not download .apk and so ... could not create userdata partition because dfu error android on a freerunner needs an sdcard to work I believe. The recommended way to install it involves using an sdcard and it continues to use that after the first run flashes it to NAND. -- David Matthews m...@dmatthews.org ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: I2C and GPS
can we have a picture of the final tweak� please ? +1 yes please! I'm struggling to understand what you've done, but ity sounds like something I'd be very please to have. and by the way that stuff I wrote earlier about sdcards was garbage - it was a faulty card, not a problem with qtmoko or shr For me now first thoughts when I see an sdcard problem are that either the card is faulty or inherantly incompatible with the freerunner (and that seems very common) -- David Matthews m...@dmatthews.org ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Cant get gpsd to work
Provided there is no hardware fault on your phone, on qtmoko the qtpedometer app is nice for getting location. For me at least GPS now works pretty well when the sky is clear but possibly not at all when there is heavy cloud cover. Would there be a way to increase power temporarily - I'm guessing this is where the problem is - possibly by poking the value held somewhere in /proc or /sys? Incidentally - I wonder what the AGPS and GPS standby scripts are for? -- David Matthews m...@dmatthews.org ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: uSD corruption
I've had similar problems with that same (Kingston 8GB) uSD card. I initially blamed qtmoko for this and switched to running it from a 2GB SanDisk card rather than NAND. I'm pleased to say it (v35 & v37) works really well set up like this. I have doubts that my diagnosis was correct though as I think the Kingston card was failing and I'm intending to try running from NAND again and mounting the SanDisk card for data. The whole business of uSDs on the freerunner is most confusing, for instance a 4GB SanDisk I have does not work at all. Throw into the mix that the card maybe failing, and it's then tricky to be sure what the issue is. -- David Matthews m...@dmatthews.org ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QtMoko docs online
Hi Rafa The new keyboard with big keys is the first version of such idea. So, obviously, you could find bugs. I think it is a great improvement to qtmoko as it is already. Personally, I'd like to see extra keys to make it useful on the console as well as for sms. At the moment there are 2 views with different keys, using "sh" to move between them. maybe there is an option of a third view which had the numbers + important stuff for the console (tab complete, bash history, path separator) on a third view. I think then the other keyboards would be no longer necessary and the slightly irritating procedure to switch between them would be done away with as well. -- David Matthews m...@dmatthews.org ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: qtmoko v35
* live with bugged ubifs * patch apt-get so that it works without mmap * use the old trick with /var/cache/apt on tmpfs, but this has problems with limited memory and bigger upates/upgrades might not work * use some other flash filesystem - yaffs seems but does not support compression, i havent looked at logfs yet So any suggestions? a stable bug free file system is nice to have :) my vote would be to revert to jffs or offer that as an option - the apt-get workaround never gave me problems (I do have a swap partition on micro sd); I believe SHR has a choice of file systems. Having said that there seem to be considerably reduced problems on v34/35 cf v31/32 - I gave up on them and went back to v26 due to the crashes that required a reflash. At least that does not happen on v34/35. -- David Matthews m...@dmatthews.org ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: qtmoko v35
Hi Radek just a thankyou for the terrific work you are doing with qtmoko. Regards -- David Matthews m...@dmatthews.org ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Qtmoko and u-boot
I had a few problems with several uSD cards lately and i am trying to figure out what is going wrong. It used to be much more stable than it is now, i have massive file system corruption on a weekly basis. So i decided to downgrade to u-boot (was using qi) and back to an old andy- tracking kernel. Also i reverted back to xorg-server using the fbdev driver instead of the glamo driver. Ed - do you have a nand install and are the problems occurring after a reboot? If so it's probably the same issue I posted about several weeks back - I did post a work around as well, which for me at least, works fine. -- David Matthews m...@dmatthews.org ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Switching from SHR to QtMoko?
If I want to switch to QtMoko, the installation guide on http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/QtMoko seems to be out-of-date because it talks about .jffs2 files (qtmoko-debian-v24.jffs2) which are not distributed for v33. Which is a more up-to-date installation guide? Installation is the same for ubi file syatem as for jffs Regards -- David Matthews m...@dmatthews.org ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
