Re: Exact release date of GTA01Bv4?

[Eric Johnson]

It seems some community responsibility is in order.  Being an open source
project, it's important that positive and respectful lines of communication
remain open.  Those members who are "close to the metal", so to speak, have
an obligation to send proper communications out via the lists (or
otherwise).  Those members who are highly interested in project events and
status have an obligation to remain as educated as possible and have a
responsibility to fix any inconsistencies on the Wiki they find.  By its
very nature, a Wiki is only as good as the community supporting it.  As
well, the Wiki is, in fact, versioned, so rolling erroneous entries back is
trivial.

On 10/23/07, Marco Barreno <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Tue, Oct 23, 2007 at 12:01:41PM -0700, Jeff Andros wrote:
> > just making sure this pops up on Michael's email, he said to send him
> any
> > place in the wiki that it says october
>
> I just did a search for "october" on the wiki.  Looking only at the
> little snippets that show up with search results, these pages seem to
> need updating
>
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Applications
> 10: ...e in March, 1st phase is early July. 2nd phase is October... when
> we are ready for mass market appeal.}}
>
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wish_List_-_Hardware
> 165: ... phase 2 Neo1973, currently slated for release in October 2007.
>
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/IPhone
> 2: ...rket.22.29|GTA02]]-revision that is announced for October 2007. For
> the earlier Neo1973 revision see [[IPho...
>
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973:_GTA01Bv4_versus_GTA02_comparison
> 11: |October 2007 (Phase0, unconfirmed)
>
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973:_GTA01Bv4_versus_GTA02_comparison/it
> 11: |October 2007
>
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/AR6K
> 1: ...o be the final WiFi modules for the device in the October release
> according to [[Neo1973#.22Phase_2.22_.28G...
>
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/IPhone/fr
> 2: ...rket.22.29|GTA02]]-revision that is announced for October 2007. For
> the earlier Neo1973 revision see [[IPho...
> 92: |Vente au détail: October 2007
>
> This is just what I saw on the first page of results, not including
> ones that are obviously user comments.
>
> Marco
>
>
>
> >
> > On 10/23/07, ian douglas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > Or perhaps just a correction on the wiki giving us a better estimate
> of
> > > when the GTA02 will be available :o)
> > >
> > >
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973:_GTA01Bv4_versus_GTA02_comparison
> > > still says October 2007 for the GTA02
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
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> > O|||O
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Re: omit qemu from OE build?

[Eric Johnson]

Shawn Rutledge wrote:

I got past qemu now and it's getting stuck on qtopia.
(Again, why do I need that for openmoko?)
  

qtopia or qmake?

Qmake is needed to build webkit which is used by openmoko-feedreader.


uicmoc4-native_4.3.1
  


To workaround the problem you had with gentoo and uicmocv4-native_4.3.1
please see bug 747

http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=747





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Re: 2007.2 compilation failed with package uicmoc4-native-4.0.3

[Eric Johnson]

Sorry I know this shouldn't be on community but since the thread is here...

Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote:

Like i said, building uicmoc4 out of Qt/Embedded, which doesn't need
X. uic and moc are Qt tools, you can build them against Qt/X11 or
Qt/Embedded
So what do I need to have on my build system to resolve the following 
error when trying to build ?


| make[1]: Entering directory 
`/home/moko/build/tmp/work/x86_64-linux/uicmoc4-native-4.3.1-r0/qtopia-core-opensource-src-4.3.1/src/tools/uic3'
| g++ -Wl,-rpath,/home/moko/build/tmp/staging/x86_64-linux/qt4/lib 
-Wl,-rpath,/home/moko/build/tmp/staging/x86_64-linux/qt4/lib -o 
../../../bin/uic3 .obj/release-static-emb-x86_64/customwidgetsinfo.o 
.obj/release-static-emb-x86_64/databaseinfo.o 
.obj/release-static-emb-x86_64/driver.o 
.obj/release-static-emb-x86_64/treewalker.o 
.obj/release-static-emb-x86_64/ui4.o .obj/release-static-emb-x86_64/uic.o 
.obj/release-static-emb-x86_64/validator.o 
.obj/release-static-emb-x86_64/cppextractimages.o 
.obj/release-static-emb-x86_64/cppwritedeclaration.o 
.obj/release-static-emb-x86_64/cppwriteicondata.o 
.obj/release-static-emb-x86_64/cppwriteicondeclaration.o 
.obj/release-static-emb-x86_64/cppwriteiconinitialization.o 
.obj/release-static-emb-x86_64/cppwriteincludes.o 
.obj/release-static-emb-x86_64/cppwriteinitialization.o 
.obj/release-static-emb-x86_64/main.o 
.obj/release-static-emb-x86_64/ui3reader.o 
.obj/release-static-emb-x86_64/parser.o 
.obj/release-static-emb-x86_64/domtool.o 
.obj/release-static-emb-x86_64/object.o 
.obj/release-static-emb-x86_64/subclassing.o 
.obj/release-static-emb-x86_64/form.o 
.obj/release-static-emb-x86_64/converter.o 
.obj/release-static-emb-x86_64/widgetinfo.o 
.obj/release-static-emb-x86_64/embed.o .obj/release-static-emb-x86_64/qt3to4.o 
.obj/release-static-emb-x86_64/deps.o
-L/home/moko/build/tmp/work/x86_64-linux/uicmoc4-native-4.3.1-r0/qtopia-core-opensource-src-4.3.1/lib
 -lQt3Support 
-L/home/moko/build/tmp/work/x86_64-linux/uicmoc4-native-4.3.1-r0/qtopia-core-opensource-src-4.3.1/lib
 -lQtSql -lQtNetwork -lssl -lcrypto -lQtXml -lQtGui -lQtCore -lz -lm -lrt -ldl 
-lpthread
| 
/home/moko/build/tmp/work/x86_64-linux/uicmoc4-native-4.3.1-r0/qtopia-core-opensource-src-4.3.1/lib/libQtGui.a(qapplication_qws.o):
 In function `QWSDisplay::Data::waitForQCopResponse()':
| qapplication_qws.cpp:(.text+0x13f2): undefined reference to 
`QAbstractSocket::flush()'



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Re: WiFi vs. speaker

[Eric Johnson]

Giles Jones wrote:

GSM antenna is at bottom of phone, should be at top of phone.

  
I thought the idea of having the antenna at the bottom was so that the 
signal isn't attenuated by your head so much during a call.
[At least someone told me that was a good thing on the RAZRs and it 
sounded convincing]



Eric

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Re: Login Manager

[Eric Johnson]

Rod Whitby wrote:

Shakthi Kannan wrote:
  

On 8/5/07, Giles Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Passwords and pins are pretty fiddly, even tedious to enter.
  

AFAIK, when you buy a SIM card, you are given a 4-digit PIN number,
which is the only means of authentication between the end-user and the
GSM part of the phone. So, we have to live with that.



This is not the case.  I personally have a SIM card with *no* PIN on it.
 I could set a PIN on it if I chose to, but for that card I choose not to.

Setting the PIN is a choice of the user.  It does not have to be set.

So any login scheme cannot assume that the SIM card has a PIN on first boot.
  
Actually, there is always a PIN on the SIM it's just that in your case 
it has been disabled -- this is standard for some operators. To 
re-enable it you need to know the PIN or the PUK.
Nonetheless, your point is correct that one cannot assume the PIN is 
activated on first boot.


Eric

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Re: 3G sim cards

[Eric Johnson]

Michael Welter wrote:

Here is a Cingular pay-as-you-go SIM:  73000G3021

Does that SIM work?

It is a Gemalto SIM and to the best of my knowledge is identical to the 
latest cards from Gemalto apart from the rebranding to AT&T.


The new AT&T branded cards should be marked
   71234 G
   3022

Eric

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Re: 3G sim cards

[Eric Johnson]

Can you tell me the numbers on the chip side of the SIM?
Not the 20 digit ICCID but the 5 digit SKU followed by a letter and then 
the 4 digit Vendor and Version number underneath it.


For example G&D cards say
   71234 D
   2202

Eric

Pranav Desai wrote:


On 7/29/07, *Andy Poling* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > 
wrote:


> Many people (including I) have not been able to get the at&t 3g
sim card
> (the one with the "3g fireball") working in our neos. The older
cingular
> ones do work (they are "64K smart chip"). 




I can make calls using the cingular 3G sim card. I dont know much 
about SIM cards/networks but it says 3G on it and its by cingular. Is 
there a way to confirm that its 3G ?


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Re: US: T-Mobile plans

[Eric Johnson]

Are you sure this wasn't a certificate issue on your jar file. I had no 
trouble downloading J2ME apps last year using T-Mobile US and my own web 
site. For some of the handsets you needed to hack the root certificate 
in the phone or in the Sprint case download a developer certificate to 
the phone.


I can't see how the SIM would have any effect on this. In principle, it 
can store the root certificate but in my experience the handset 
developers chose not to implement that part of the standards.


I guess I'll find out when I get my own Neo.

Eric


John Seghers wrote:


While I’ve not done so in the last few months, I have done a lot of 
work in J2ME games. T-Mobile has a definite “walled-garden” mentality 
on some aspects of web access. For the last couple of years (unless 
they’ve changed very recently) while they have allowed browsing of 
most internet sites, they have not allowed JAR files to be downloaded 
from non-approved sites. This could be gotten around with special SIMs 
if you have a developer relationship with T-Mobile. There might be 
fewer restrictions on the “Mobile Internet” vs. “Mobile Web”.





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Re: 3G sim cards

[Eric Johnson]

Harrison Metzger wrote:
I'm not actually sure what number you need. On the (what I would call 
front side) side with NO contacts there is the iccid number which is 
long. On the back (side with contacts) their are 2 numbers: 71324 and 
4021 (please don't clone my phone, lol). So we don't play email tag 
I'm on IRC (name calamous_), could you mind hopping on or messaging me 
if you are already.
Sorry, I was doing it from memory and the first digit of the four seems 
to be the SIM vendor so I shouldn't have said beginning with a  2.

The 71324 is the SKU for the AT&T latest UICC.
The 4021 is the Vendor and Version number.
Based at looking at some cards the vendor numbers are
   2 - G&D
   3 - Gemalto
   4 - Oberthur

I have access to a tool monitoring the communication between the SIM and 
the handset so I will be able to investigate this later.
Unfortunately, they haven't charged my credit card yet so at best I will 
not have a device for a couple of weeks and I only have access to G&D 
and Gemalto UICCs.


Hopefully someone else can help you in the meantime.


It'll be a bit of a blow if the phone won't work with the largest US GSM 
operators SIM cards!


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Re: 3G sim cards

[Eric Johnson]

Harrison Metzger wrote:
Many people (including I) have not been able to get the at&t 3g sim 
card (the one with the "3g fireball") working in our neos. The older 
cingular ones do work (they are "64K smart chip"). I dont care if it 
does 2g, I would like for my at&t sim card to work in the phone. 
According to the GSM modem it gives error CME 10 (sim card not 
inserted). any ideas?
Well the AT&T 3G cards are definitely have both a SIM and USIM 
application on them and AT&T do a lot of device testing before approving 
the cards so it really should work.


Can you say what the Vendor and Version Number of the UICC is?
This is the 4 digit number beginning with a 2 under the "3g fireball" on 
the front of the card.


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Re: 3G sim cards

[Eric Johnson]

Harrison Metzger wrote:
Is there any way to make a 3G sim card work in the device (even if it 
does 2.5g)?
Since the Calypso chipset is 2G a "3G SIM" will only work if it contains 
both the USIM and SIM applications.
I would expect that this is the case for most operators that  have both 
2G and 3G networks.
It is less likely that operators such as 3 would put a SIM application 
on their cards - at least I can't think why they would - since this 
would only be used by a 2G handset which couldn't use their network.




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