Re: Nokia N9 and Meego

2011-10-24 Thread Federico Lorenzi
On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 2:11 PM, Xavier Cremaschi
omega.xav...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi folks,
 is there anyone here following the Nokia N9, the new Nokia's phone with
 Meego ? What exactly is free-as-in-speech in this one ?

While not exactly the N9, I have the developer edition, the Nokia N950.

It's open-ish. It has a security framework and disallows all sorts of
stuff (root is limited, etc), but Nokia do allow you to flash your own
custom kernel, as well as the community edition of Meego should you
wish. There's a whole thread going on about it at
http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=4575

It's definitely more closed than the N900 out the box, however.

I've heard it's a similar situation on the N9.

Cheers,
Federico

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Re: New to Freerunner!!

2008-09-26 Thread Federico Lorenzi
On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 4:03 AM, Kishore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I am new to this community. I just got myself the freerunner a couple of
 days back. I am a fairly experienced user of Linux/Debian/Kubuntu on
 the desktop and this is my first experience with something like the
 freerunner.
Maybe you would be interested in Debian on the Freerunner?

Cheers,
Federico

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Re: fso bug/oddity

2008-09-17 Thread Federico Lorenzi
On 9/17/08, Tilman Baumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I see fso walking a fine line between genius and insanity. :)
  settingsd vs. gconf would be one of these cases. I just refused to
  really think about it yet, so i don't really know how much sense it
  makes. I think i would not like the outcome... (gconf is horrible, but
  it was there long enough to be considered a standard...)
  pimd vs. eds the same...

Just because something has been around long enough to be considered a
standard, doesn't make it a good one. Look at .doc, it has been around
for a few years (in one incarnation or another), but does that make it
a good standard?

Cheers,
Federico

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Re: DOOM OpenMoko Port

2008-09-07 Thread Federico Lorenzi
You know a platform's looking up when Doom and Duke3d get ported to it :)

Good work!

On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 7:53 PM, Mikko Niemikorpi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Nice job. I'm still waiting my Freerunner but this is now another thing
 to wait for.

 SCarlson kirjoitti:
  I've just witnessed DOOM on my Freerunner. I spent a few hours this evening
 compiling a SDL port for DOOM, it let me tell you it looks great. I'd like
 to thank everyone involved for giving me the opportunity to exploit this
 machine (which is also a phone).

 I'll be working on a Acc. UI, similar to the Duke3d port. (Thanks to the
 person who ported Duke3d to inspire me today to do the same with DOOM, this
 just made my week)

 -Scott


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Re: GsmBluetooth state file for gta02

2008-09-02 Thread Federico Lorenzi
On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 4:12 AM, Cesar Eduardo Barros [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Jim Morris escreveu:
 Cesar Eduardo Barros wrote
 So, you just need to find out:

 - How to switch bluetooth audio I/O to these PCM pins (should be
 something in the HCI-USB standard).

 I think bluez driver already does that. I made it work on my PC for instance.

 Your PC probably doesn't use that mode. It probably sends the audio via
 the USB interface (which, if you use a USB BT dongle, is the only way
 available).

Out of interest, wouldn't it be possible to route the GSM audio
through the CPU, and then through BT? It may be less then optimal, but
I don't see why it wouldn't work?

Cheers,
Federico

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Re: Lemmings

2008-08-31 Thread Federico Lorenzi
On Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 9:01 PM, Jean-Eric Cuendet
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi,
 Do you know a Lemmings clne for Linux?
How about [1] ?

[1] 
http://www.google.co.za/search?q=lemmings+clone+linuxie=utf-8oe=utf-8aq=trls=org.mozilla:en-GB:officialclient=firefox-a

Seriously, can people please start searching the web?

 Would it work on Openmoko?

Now that is a more interesting question.

Cheers,
Federico

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Re: Emergency call at boot time functionality (was Re: Windows CE on freerunner)

2008-08-23 Thread Federico Lorenzi
On Sat, Aug 23, 2008 at 10:29 AM, Clemens Kirchgatterer
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Yogiz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Everybody has their preferences. I'd really like to see a second small
 bootable image for just emergency calls so there would be no wait.
 There's no point in forcing that kind of thing down others' throat but
 that could be an optional image. If the lock is easy, I have no
 problem taking it off and dialing 112 in a hurry. I'm more worried
 about having to wait for my small linux computer to fully boot up
 while someone is bleeding to death in my arms.

 you will need a rather full blown linux image in any case. for making a
 call you need several hardware components (audio, gsm, display, maybe
 gps) up and running so you depend on the kernel drivers AND even some
 higher level userspace apps anyway. better to optimize the initial
 bootup time to a minimum.

IIRC GSM audio can be routed directly through without using the CPU.
Also if you had to program an emergency number before hand, you
wouldn't need the display.

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Vorbis or Tremor (Was: Re: GPRS under FSO [Was: Re: What could be done to improve the OM development process?])

2008-08-15 Thread Federico Lorenzi
7MB/s should be enough for anyone :)

IMHO when you view the Glamo as just a few cores it becomes a lot cooler.

On 8/15/08, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 20:32:22 +0200 Joachim Steiger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 babbled:

 qrazi wrote:
  The test referred to are with the nettop version of the Atom, the Atom
  N230.
  That CPU is paired with a standard 945GC chipset, which consumes between
  15
  and 20 Watt. Hence the high power draws in those reviews.
 
  Intel also has the Z series, which include speedstep for even lower
  powerconsumption for the CPU itself, but they are also to be used with
  the
  Intel US15 mobile chipset. For a 1.6 GHz Z530 Atom, with the US15
  chipset, a
  maximum draw of 5 Watt is reported. That is way lower then the
  combination
  that PC Perspective has tested.
 
  Although probably still not low enough for use in a phone. That however
  might come in future generations, since Intels plans are to include
  more, if
  not all, of the chipset functions into the cpu itself.
 

 thanks for summarizing it so well
 thats also my conclusion: x86 is not ready yet for really mobile use.
 we should evaluate it more when they can punch the '1W when in use'
 limit.

 for comparison: our cpu currently uses 90mA when in use.
 add the chipset, the lcm and interfaces (don't forget wifi, bt and gsm)
 and then see battery sizes and capacity - for a reasonable standby AND
 talk time we need to not peak far beyond 1W when in use and be far
 beyond that all the rest of the time.
 also things like high-clocked ram (ddr compared to simple sdram) or
 internal usb connections are energy suckers (thats why sdram with
 200mhz and things like sdio/spi/i2c/cmoslevel-serial is preferred to
 usb and ddr ram.

 its always getting things into a tricky balance to have something usable
 at the end (and not a 'see how fluid it moves the icon'  - 'oh.. batter
 is empty' - showcase ;)

 aye - and even so. arm-based solutions are cranking up the power. omap 3xxx
 and
 qualcomm's snapdragon are not slow-pokes. and they are far beyond anything
 intel has in performance-per-watt when you are in the 1watt (give or take)
 world. indeed you are very right - when intel have scaled DOWN to the
 existing
 embedded world.. we can talk, but as such an x86 phone is only a
 development
 convenience compared to arm (no cross-compiling from an x86 desktop).

 though we need to accept that we need to move beyond SDR into DDR/DDR2 ram
 and
 higher clockrates anyway - we need more performance to do the things people
 want, we just need to do it with the right generation of SOC that has
 reigned
 these power requirements in a bit... and well - maybe accept we need a
 meatier
 battery :)

 --
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Re: Use gps for clock correction

2008-08-14 Thread Federico Lorenzi
The GPS can be used for both time and time zone...

On 8/14/08, Stefan Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hello.

 On Thu, 2008-08-14 at 23:48, Matt wrote:

 Isn't time available via GSM broadcasts?

 Sometimes. There is a standard for it, but not all operators have it enabled
 for
 it. AFAIK no german provider has it for example.

 If anyone have a provider which has this feature enabled and like to develop
 a
 patch just let us know.

 regards
 Stefan Schmidt


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Re: What's up with Openmoko store?

2008-08-11 Thread Federico Lorenzi
Koolu seems to be better then the direct shop for far away orders,
only $60 CAD for shipping to ZA vs $120 from direct. Now to get my
dad's credit card details

Cheers,
Federico

On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 3:59 PM, Baruch Even [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 * steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] [080811 04:39]:
 Yes,

 Our distributors are doing great business so we will continue to give
 them first access to new product.
 If you are in the US you can buy from Koolu, same price, same product,
 our partner.

 They don't seem to be selling the extras and having two shipments seems
 like a waste.

 Baruch


   _

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 Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 8:15 AM
 To: List for Openmoko community discussion
 Subject: Re: What's up with Openmoko store?



 So any updates steve?


 On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 6:02 AM, steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 Sorry I'm at Linux world, I'll met with Sean in Friday and discuss.





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Re: New Qtopia-Images fixes suspend problem nearly complete!

2008-08-10 Thread Federico Lorenzi
This problem has been around for ages, I remember when I was using
Linux on my iPaq H6315, the devs had the same problem. A quick
workaround was that they did not suspend the SD controller. Not
optimal, sure, but it seemed to work. What about calling sync before
suspend?

Cheers,
Federico

On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 11:53 PM, Craig B. Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 5:45 PM, Yaroslav Halchenko
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I didn't track those -- is is trashed regardless if partition is mounted
 read/only or read/write? I would assume that it should be safe in
 read-only mount, thus just (re)mount your SD read-only and be happy
 listening to the music ;-)

 It didn't occur to me to mount the card ro, but I will try it and see
 if it helps.

 Kind of a step backwards, but it would also be interesting to see if it helps.

 But the phone services on Qtopia are an improvement over the alternatives.
 still very sluggish though (or is it me too fast? :-)))

 Sluggish, no question.  But allows entry of DTMF tones after receiving
 a call - a must-have for me.

 --
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Re: Which ATT data plans are compatible?

2008-08-08 Thread Federico Lorenzi
On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 9:15 PM, Matthew Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Instead of just tethering couldn't you set up a proxy server on your OM
 and since the user agent is in plain text, change firefox to minimo? I
 imagine the user agent signatures are pretty similar.

I had a similar situation with Vodafone in Italy. They disallowed
tethering and blocked all non port 80 / 443, and seemed to disallow
any other user agent strings besides mobile browesers. But if you have
a server somewhere that has SSH, an easy enough solution is just to
use ProxyTunnel to tunnel SSH over HTTPS (due to the way SSL proxies
work). For the real paranoid, check out SSH over SSL over SSL, where
you run your own SSL proxy server, which then gets connected to by the
network's proxy, and then forwards everything to your local SSH
server. This pretty much makes the traffic indestinguashable from
legit SSL traffic.

HTH,
Federico

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Re: Buy My FreeRunner, GSM 850 for United States.

2008-08-06 Thread Federico Lorenzi
I don't suppose you'd take paysal and ship internationally?

On 8/6/08, Donnie Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hello,

 I forgot to mention that I am only looking to break even, not trying to make
 a profit.  My FreeRunner was purchased for $372; I would like to sell it for
 the same price.

 Thank you.
 __
 Donnie

 On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 11:44 PM, Donnie Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hello,

 Due to unexpected circumstances, I would like to sell my just purchased
 FreeRunner.  I have the GSM 850 FreeRunner model for use in the United
 States.  It is completely new, barely used.  I Just turned it on a couple
 of
 times, made a few phone calls, sent some text sms messages, and charged
 the
 battery.  Still in perfect condition with all original contents included
 as
 described on the openmoko store page: *
 http://us.direct.openmoko.com/products/neo-freerunner*

 Please contact me if you are interested.
 I am located in the United States in Kentucky.
 Thank you.
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Re: Buy My FreeRunner, GSM 850 for United States.

2008-08-06 Thread Federico Lorenzi
Sorry, meant paypal

On 8/6/08, Federico Lorenzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I don't suppose you'd take paysal and ship internationally?

 On 8/6/08, Donnie Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hello,

 I forgot to mention that I am only looking to break even, not trying to
 make
 a profit.  My FreeRunner was purchased for $372; I would like to sell it
 for
 the same price.

 Thank you.
 __
 Donnie

 On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 11:44 PM, Donnie Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hello,

 Due to unexpected circumstances, I would like to sell my just purchased
 FreeRunner.  I have the GSM 850 FreeRunner model for use in the United
 States.  It is completely new, barely used.  I Just turned it on a couple
 of
 times, made a few phone calls, sent some text sms messages, and charged
 the
 battery.  Still in perfect condition with all original contents included
 as
 described on the openmoko store page: *
 http://us.direct.openmoko.com/products/neo-freerunner*

 Please contact me if you are interested.
 I am located in the United States in Kentucky.
 Thank you.
 __
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Re: Freerunner-powered bike ride

2008-08-02 Thread Federico Lorenzi
Go karts, actually. :)

On 8/2/08, steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 This community rocks.  Jetskis or hang gliders anyone?

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Konstantin
 Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 12:55 PM
 To: List for Openmoko community discussion
 Subject: Re: Freerunner-powered bike ride

 Hi there!

 Hi community!

 Just want to drop a line that I today made my first bike ride with a
 Freerunner mounted on the handle bar of my bike. If someone is
 interested I could take some photos to show what the mount-kit looks
 like and how the Freerunner fits in.

 [x] Interested! :)

 It's a universal mobile phone bike-mount-kit by LesCars (don't want to
 push the brand, but there are only few mount-kits for bikes out there)
 [1]. All ports (USB, GPS, audio) and the 2 buttons are usable with
 this mount-kit.

 With tangoGPS I had a lot of fun riding around town exploring new
 roads for Openstreetmap. ;)

 The next step would be a dynamo-powered charger for the Freerunner. I
 read an article in the german computer magazine ct [2] about creating
 a converter for charging USB devices while riding your bike with a
 hub-dynamo. The article provides detailed instructions for building it
 yourself, but I don't have the necessary soldering skills. So I'll
 have to ask soldering-experts... ;)

 Interestingly, that's precisely the thing I had in mind. I just bought a
 bike today, and am planning to somehow build the c't usb-charger for a bike
 (probably with some friends with soldering-skills, too ;) ) some time in the
 not too distant future. Maybe we can exchange experiences with that :)

 Happy ridin!

 André


 [1] description in german: http://www.pearl.de/a-PX2065-4044.shtml
 [2] ct magazine 23/2007 page 190, german language
 (http://www.heise.de/kiosk/archiv/ct/07/23/190)

 So long,
 Konstantin

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Re: Please confirm - i doubt my msgs are reaching properly or not

2008-07-31 Thread Federico Lorenzi
Consider the message recieved.

On 7/31/08, Pritam, Ghanghas (IE10) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:




 Hail Moko,
 Pritam Ghanghas







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Re: Now that you have your phone, what are you doing?

2008-07-28 Thread Federico Lorenzi
I'm interested but I'm in South Africa and your email said only around SF.

On 7/27/08, Ken Restivo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Fri, 25 Jul 2008, andres wrote:

 On Fri, 2008-07-25 at 17:30 +0300, Breakable wrote:

   Hi there,
   Just wondering those of you who have the device already, what are
   you doing with your new device?



 Right now I'm trying to sell it.

 Is there any aftermarket for these things?

 I'm getting a bit terrified since there has been no interest in my GTA02 for
 sale, and AFAICT the things are sold out.

 I can't afford to have a very expensive paperweight sitting around that I
 don't have time to fiddle around with.

 -ken

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Re: Public build host (proposal)

2008-07-23 Thread Federico Lorenzi
On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 9:50 AM, Christ van Willegen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 3:24 PM, Andy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
 Hash: SHA1

 Somebody in the thread at some point said:
 | On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 3:00 PM, Andy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 | This won't scale, folks should obviously be able to make their own
 | packages on their own host without undue problems.
 |
 | I'm having 'due problems' then :-(

 Toolchain tarball is a nice way actually, but I found if you need to

 The toolchain requires one to have an i386(ish) machine. So does
 openmokoui2.0-dev.

 Mokomakefile also fails on a non-i386(ish) somewhere.

On that topic, has anyone tried compiling everything (OE) on *BSD?

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Re: USB connector not Mini-AB?

2008-07-20 Thread Federico Lorenzi
On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 10:29 PM, Joerg Reisenweber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 see:
 http://www.electronicproductonline.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=1781
 /j

Product not found?

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Re: Dot'n reply above quote

2008-07-19 Thread Federico Lorenzi
On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 10:52 AM, Dotan Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Not everyone uses a decent MUA! I use gmail, which does allow not
 filter on arbitrary headers. So I filter on TO and CC addresses.

Right... Select a message and click the little down arrow next to
reply, then click 'filter messages like this'.

Problem Solved.

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Anyone in NYC with an extra Freerunner?

2008-07-14 Thread Federico Lorenzi
Hello,
So I missed my chance to get a Freerunner, and they won't take my
credit cards. But on my flight back to Cape Town Delta screwed up and
I missed my flight, so now I'm staying at my uncles place. Does anyone
near New York City or within 120km of Trumbull, CT have a Freerunner
that they would be willing to sell for $450?

Thanks!
Federico

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Re: SanDisk micro SDHC 8GB card under testing

2008-07-11 Thread Federico Lorenzi
On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 3:56 PM, ian douglas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 So interestingly enough, writes were slower on ext3 than vfat on the
 512MB card.

Makes sense, ext3 is journaled, and using a journaling FS on flash
memory is generally a bad idea. Could you also try ext2?

Thanks,
Federico

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Re: GPS

2008-07-07 Thread Federico Lorenzi
An interesting idea would be to acquire a fix, then bring the phone
under cover, so it loses the fix, then bring it back in the open and
see how long it will take to reacquire the fix.

On 7/7/08, Kai Römer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi Al,
 If you need testers, please contact me. I have several gta02v5
 available and can do tests in Germany Munich.

 thanks
 Kai

 2008/7/7 Al Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 I'm not saying there isn't an antenna issue, but that we may be able to
 mitigate the effects on startup time.

 On Monday 07 July 2008, Kai Römer wrote:
 Hi Al,

 Sounds really convincing, but how do you explain the constantly fast
 fix via external antenna then. I really think its an antenna issue.

 Also the difference of the GPGSV values support this idea.

 Tomorrow evening i will ask a specialist to check the antenna signal
 qualities. Maybe a cable is broken or there is a short circuit on the
 main board.

 I ll report about the results.

 CU Kai

 2008/7/6 Al Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  From what I've seen on the wiki the version of the Antares4 on the
  GTA02
  doesn't have the memory needed to store almanac and ephemeris, last
  known
  position or time. This means that every start is a true cold start,
  unlike every other reasonably modern GPS we're comparing it to. It
  starts
  up thinking the time is midnight on 30th November 1999 and seems to
  need
  a fair bit of decent signal to convince it otherwise, contributing to
  the
  long startup time.
 
  It looks like there is a way around this if you look at the
  documentation
  for the assist. The AID-INI message needn't be supplied by a remote
  server; we can generate it locally to provide the sort of data that's
  stored internally most of the time. At the very least we have a fair
  idea
  of the current time and date. We should also be able to store location,
  almanac and ephemeris when we shut down the GPS, and provide it at the
  next startup. We can also have a stab at current location, based
  perhaps
  on cell ID or wifi data as discussed by some of the other threads, or
  on
  user input.
 
  I'll try to patch together something to do this based on the example
  perl
  client and server code, and see how much difference it makes.
 
  On Friday 04 July 2008, Kai Römer wrote:
  I can affirm this for 6 opemoko devices. i guess its an internal
  antenna issue. as soon as you connect a external antenna to it works
  like a charm. but fur me thats no solution.
 
  TTFF with external antenna (perfect condition): 40 to 60 seconds
  TTFF with internal antenna AGPS (perfect condition): more than 1:20
  minute but not always. its like gambling.
 
  I guess a miss design of the internal antenna.
 
  CU Kai
 
  2008/6/23 Peter Kraker [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
   This timings are insane unless you don't even have a valid almanac,
   which is rare. This doesn't look right.
  
   Yorick Matthys pravi:
  
   Marcus Bauer said:
  
  
   My experience with the Freerunner is ~12 minutes TTFF (time to first
   fix) without use of agps and ~4-8 minutes TTFF with agps from
   agps.u-blox.com using the software from openmoko.
  
   The Neo1973 (GTA01) had a TTFF without agps assistance of ~2 min.
  
  
   12 minutes without AGPS and 4-8min with AGPS??
   I hope there was a thunderstorm inside the basement where you tested
   this...
  
   :)
  
   Seriously, these just don't seem realistic.
   Compare them for example with some other devices from 2003:
   http://www.pocketgpsworld.com/ttffcomparisons.php.
   Or from ublox: http://www.u-blox.com/technology/assistnow/ (table at
   the bottom of the page)
  
   Surely there must be something wrong with your
   software/settings/hardware/environment...
   (or maybe they still have a lot of work to do on the GPS :))
  
   y


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Re: shipping very expensive

2008-07-07 Thread Federico Lorenzi
Ha, only 100 dollars for you. Shipping to South Africa is $160

On 7/7/08, Flyin_bbb8 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 hey everyone i live in Qatar, and just to see how much the shipping would be
 for the 900 MHz i just tried to check out the 850 version and shipping to
 Doha - Qatar ( where i stay ) with UPS worldwide expedited is 97.59 USD, and
 UPS saver 101.23 USD, that's just unacceptable and very expensive. why
 so? and why do we not have other choices like FedEx or DHL or even others...
 why are we restricted on using just UPS, we should have more options... i
 have done other purchases from other websites and normally the shipping
 would be between 20 USD to 40 USD as a maximum... but not 97 USD


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Re: FR Max downlink bandwidth

2008-07-06 Thread Federico Lorenzi
Lets say 6kb a sec. In a minute thats 360kb, in an hour it is 24000kb
and per day that is 288000kb. In a month that could be 10656000kb or
10gb. But ssh will never use that much :)

On 7/6/08, Diego Fdez. Durán [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 El dom, 06-07-2008 a las 17:08 +0300, Mikko Rauhala escribió:
 su, 2008-07-06 kello 16:01 +0200, Diego Fdez. Durán kirjoitti:
   What is the max downlink bandwidth of FreeRunner?

 80k for the 4 downlink timeslots. In theory. Practice, you can get 50.

   It's just curiosity, I'm going to use FreeRunner to keep open a SSH
  session to my server's control server and latency is the critical thing.

 Then why're you talking bandwidth? Latency is always bad with gprs.
 0.5-1s usually. SSH is not pleasant but usable; done that semiregularly
 over gprs for quite a while.

 Now I get 250ms to 500ms when I'm in the city.

 I'm asking about bandwidth to estimate the daily max downloaded data so
 my service provider don't fuck with the bill :)


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Re: Posible Bluetooth Keyboard

2008-07-05 Thread Federico Lorenzi
You could probably use a mouse with it too. What would also be
interesting to see is if a bluetooth keyboard uses more or less power
then one connected via usb.

On 7/5/08, Jay Vaughan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 At the moment my FR is travelling to me, so I'm looking for a good
 portable bluetooth keyboard.
 What do you think about BT KB? what about Nokia SU-8W?



 I had some great sessions with my Apple Wireless KB and the neo1973 ..

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Re: on screen keyboard?

2008-07-05 Thread Federico Lorenzi
Afaik raster was working on a magic keyboard that had all sorts of
cool features.

On 7/5/08, Al Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Saturday 05 July 2008, arne anka wrote:
 hi,
 somebody asked thsi already a while ago (but got no answer):
 is there a package available providing a better keyboard than that
 included w/ the freerunner, resembling a multi tap phone keyboard?
 honestly, i can't figure out a rationale for spending effort on
 implementing such a limited keyboard, it even misses crucial characters!

 You can at least modify the character map for the multitap keyboard - it's
 in
 etc/multitap-pad/im-multipress.conf
 You can add printing characters like slashes, pipe and so on. Not ideal but
 at
 least a bit more useful.

 so, is there a fullblown keyboard (hopefully with up/down and tab, so one
 can sroll in hitory and use completion)?
 opkg list | grep keyboard
 gives only matchbox-strokes which looks nice but is not really functional

 I found the same as you last night. I was trying to follow the instructions
 at
   http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Switching_Keyboards
 I've just used mokomakefile to build the packages:
   make build-package-matchbox-keyboard-inputmethod
 I'll let you know how I get on...

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Re: Picking up Freerunners in Fremont (was: Openmoko Webshop ReopenNOW!!!)

2008-07-05 Thread Federico Lorenzi
Steve, you rock :)

I don't suppose we'll know by Thursday the 14th whats going to happen?
I'm only in the US for 4 days, and it's my chance to get a Freerunner
without paying $170 shipping to South Africa.

Cheers,
Federico

On Sun, Jul 6, 2008 at 1:03 AM, steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I'm headed there Monday to figure it out.

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Shiloh
 Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 4:05 PM
 To: List for Openmoko community discussion
 Subject: Picking up Freerunners in Fremont (was: Openmoko Webshop
 ReopenNOW!!!)



 Brian C wrote:
 Harry wrote:
 Dear All,
 Sorry for delay long time!!!
 So far, only GSM850 Freerunner is available in stock, Debug board and
 spare also!!!

 http://www.openmoko.com/store.html

 Freerunner is running

 Thanks and BR

 For those who wish to pick up in Fremont, there doesn't seem to be an
 obvious option in the checkout process to indicate that.  Can this be
 changed or can someone advise what we should do?

 Brian, and others in the Bay Area,

 The Fremont facility is not at all set up to do this. However, Steve is
 doing everything he can to figure out a way to do this in spite of this
 fact.

 Give him a little time - he's deeply involved in trying to keep the ordering
 and shipping running smoothly.

 Thanks for understanding,
 Michael

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Re: Anyone attending Foo Camp?

2008-07-04 Thread Federico Lorenzi
Where? When?

On 7/4/08, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I'm setting up an Openmoko hack-a-thon and would love to know if anyone
 from this list will be there.

 Michael

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Re: GSM Carrier

2008-07-04 Thread Federico Lorenzi
Normally it is. If the provider allows you to access SSL sites,
there's not much the can do. Google for proxytunnel.

On 7/4/08, arne anka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Or with a little more work you can make the entire thing transparent by
 setting up a VPN on one of those ports and just directing linux to route
 all traffic over the VPN.

 i'm sure, if it was that easy to circumvent the restrictions imposed on a
 5$ plan, t-mobile would have dropped it already.

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Re: How Slow Is Fast?

2008-07-03 Thread Federico Lorenzi
Well, I did some work with regards to streaming videos over GPRS a
while ago, and ahven in #openmoko was able to play a streaming video
that had a total bit rate of 52kbps with no lag. (H264 at 40 with
Vorbis audio at 12, and it looked and sounded better then the normal
YouTube mobile streaming too :) I'm pretty sure it can do more too.
There is info on the wiki about it, check out the GPRS class info.

On 7/3/08, Knight Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Anyone who has paid attention to this mailing list over the last few
 months has seen the It doesn't have 3G, it's worthless messages about
 the FreeRunner. For me (And many, many others) having a fast,
 power-hungry wireless pipe to the phone isn't as important as everything
 else the FreeRunner brings to the table. But I do have a question: What
 kind of thru-put can we expect to see from the GPRS radio in the
 FreeRunner? Is it 2k/sec dial-up speed? I'm interested in any
 information about this radio, theoretical as well as experiential (Now
 that people are getting FreeRunners). I've got some grand plans in the
 works, which may or may not ever come to fruition, but some of the
 design considerations hinge on what kind of bandwidth the GPRS radio
 provides.


 Also, and I know this has been talked about before, but is the final
 word that the GPRS can or cannot be active at the same time as the GSM
 (Class B or whatever it's called)? An ongoing GPRS connection would be
 really nice but if it can suspend/resume decently (Something like v.92
 on modems if anyone remembers those).


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Re: Openmoko Webshop Reopen NOW!!!

2008-07-03 Thread Federico Lorenzi
I am so buying one, on my phone :)

On 7/3/08, Harry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Dear All,
 Sorry for delay long time!!!
 So far, only GSM850 Freerunner is available in stock, Debug board and
 spare also!!!

 http://www.openmoko.com/store.html

 Freerunner is running

 Thanks and BR



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Error while paying

2008-07-03 Thread Federico Lorenzi
Hi, I get a gateway error from hitrust when attempting to pay, anyone
know what the problem is?

Thanks,
Federico

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Re: Error while paying

2008-07-03 Thread Federico Lorenzi
Maybe it has to do with the lack of a CVV?

On 7/3/08, Steven ** [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I get the same gateway error!  WTF?

 -Steven

 On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 6:25 AM, William Lai [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 7:08 PM, Ken Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Federico Lorenzi wrote:

  Hi, I get a gateway error from hitrust when attempting to pay. anyone
  know what the problem is?

 I get this error too.   It is Gateway Error 500, for whatever
 that's worth.   I was tryig to order an 850 MHz 10-pack, with
 expedited shipping.   I tried placing the order with both Firefox
 and Internet Explorer.   Same error each time.   Does anyone
 know what's going wrong?

 Placing an order for 10 pack with Firefox worked for me.
 Did you try again?

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Re: Error while paying

2008-07-03 Thread Federico Lorenzi
Just tried with my dad's credit card and i get the same error. All
these cards have international payments allowed. I want my Freerunner!

On 7/3/08, Federico Lorenzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Maybe it has to do with the lack of a CVV?

 On 7/3/08, Steven ** [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I get the same gateway error!  WTF?

 -Steven

 On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 6:25 AM, William Lai [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 7:08 PM, Ken Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Federico Lorenzi wrote:

  Hi, I get a gateway error from hitrust when attempting to pay. anyone
  know what the problem is?

 I get this error too.   It is Gateway Error 500, for whatever
 that's worth.   I was tryig to order an 850 MHz 10-pack, with
 expedited shipping.   I tried placing the order with both Firefox
 and Internet Explorer.   Same error each time.   Does anyone
 know what's going wrong?

 Placing an order for 10 pack with Firefox worked for me.
 Did you try again?

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Re: FSO Image gets it right

2008-06-24 Thread Federico Lorenzi
FSO QT GTK ASU GLX. Pick the odd one out :)

On 6/24/08, Kosa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I've seen the past and there is nothing about FSO.

 WTF is FSO? ;-)

 Graeme Gregory escribió:
 Well I have seen the future and the future is FSO.

 For the first time I have been able to make and receive phone calls on a
 gta02 without hassle. GTK+ software could no do this, qtopia software
 cannot do this.

 And the best of it is, this was on my broken GTA02 where the gsm is
 about as reliable as a robin reliant (non UK people look up Only Fools
 and Horses).

 Things are looking good now we have solid gsm.

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Re: BizWeek on iPhone 3G component cost

2008-06-24 Thread Federico Lorenzi
And how many 3g modules do you think they ordered? Knock off a few
zeros and you get the quantity that Openmoko would buy.

On 6/24/08, Ron K. Jeffries [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 http://businessweek.com/technology/content/jun2008/tc20080623_505287.htm

 note that 3G royalties add $45 to iPhone cost of goods sold.

 Apple's 58 pct. gross margin is ultra sweet for
 consumer electronics market.

 Ron K. Jeffries
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Re: GPS

2008-06-23 Thread Federico Lorenzi
This seems to be really misunderstood. The GPS is the Freerunner can
get a fix with no help whatsoever, it'll just take longer. This is
where the AGPS can come in. Download some data off an assistance
server, and suddenly your time to fix is much less. There have been
posts to this mailing list about it.

HTH,
Federico

On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 9:02 AM, Francesco Cat
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 the FreeRunner will have a true GPS integrated, not only an AGPS
 system, wouldn't it?

 Because I was given the address of this flyer:
 http://www.pulster.de/info/pdas/openmoko/freerunner-flyer.pdf
 and I hope it is just out-dated

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Re: Openmoko Community Repository

2008-06-23 Thread Federico Lorenzi
Hello,

I'd love to help out, is it necessary to have a Freerunner?
If so then in 2 weeks hopefully :)

Cheers,
Federico

On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 6:00 AM, Tick Chen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi List,
  Openmoko has a community repository that everyone can put their
 packages on. You can use the projects.openmoko.org to release your
 packages. If you are interested you can get more information on the wiki
 page.

 The wiki page is http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/CommunityRepository
 The projects site is http://projects.openmoko.org/
 The mailing list is 
 http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community-repository


 We need package volunteers to review packages, maintain wiki pages.

 Any suggestion is welcome.
 Thanks


 Happy Hacking,
 Tick

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Re: Ordering Free-for-all?

2008-06-23 Thread Federico Lorenzi
Or build a script that wget's the store page every 10 minutes and
compares it to the previous version and emails you the diff :)

Cheers,
Federico

On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 5:54 PM, Steven **
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 And note that those will have zero impact on your chance of getting a Neo.

 Essentially, if you want a Neo, make sure you check your email often.
 I'm assuming the announcement will go to the announcement list...

 -Steven

 On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 3:26 AM, arne anka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 see buyers interest list
 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Buying_Interest_List
 and group sales
 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GroupSales


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Re: Delay is getting worse...

2008-06-19 Thread Federico Lorenzi
As an experiment, this mail was sent at 7:33pm UTC.

On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 8:48 PM, Kosa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 It is 13:41 here in Mexico City, and the last
 mail I got from the list arrived at 5:23, it is
 from DR. H. Nikolaus Schaller. (Re: Why not use
 forum)

 I check this box at leas once an hour and I can
 tell this is not good. I've been in this list for
 a while and I used to get the messages as soon as
 posted. Pleas, do somehing about it. Even my own
 mails get at least two hours after I send them.

 Thanks

 Kosa

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Re: Why not use votation system?

2008-06-16 Thread Federico Lorenzi
On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 5:46 PM, Robert Taylor
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Do we have to suffer noobs forever on really retarded topics?

Do not feed the tro^H^H^Hnoobs perhaps?

Cheers,
Federico

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Re: Why not use votation system?

2008-06-16 Thread Federico Lorenzi
Funny enough I got an email from a friend of mine, her signature seems
really appropriate here:

Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that
counts can be counted.
Albert Einstein

While person x may not have committed anything, he may have been in
the IRC channel helping people, or person y could have done a huge
effort in cleaning up the wiki.

Cheers,
Federico

On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 1:15 AM, steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I havent thought out the details, but essentially I would like a system
 where I could be more attentive
 To the people making big contributions, without ignoring those who have yet
 to make one. Tough balance.


 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Samblas
 Martinez
 Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 3:14 PM
 To: List for Openmoko community discussion
 Subject: RE: Why not use votation system?

 good one, code committed to main stream distro? or bash code ? python script
 included in that offer?


 --- El dom, 15/6/08, steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió:

 De: steve [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Asunto: RE: Why not use votation system?
 Para: 'List for Openmoko community discussion'
 community@lists.openmoko.org
 Fecha: domingo, 15 junio, 2008 9:18
 Could we  weight votes by  code committed. No code. No vote.






 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michele
 Renda
 Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 1:25 AM
 To: List for Openmoko community discussion
 Subject: Re: Why not use votation system?

 Hi Steve

 I think I was a bit mis-understood.

 I didn't told that all the decisions must to be took with a votation
 system!
 If we would do so I think we will not have a phone, but a microwave.

 My idea was only: when Openmoko has to take a decision between two
 equivalent solution and WANT to know the opinions of the comunity to
 use a votation system. But only for opinion asked by OM, like it was
 for the audio jacket.

 And in every case must to be clear that also if the votation say
 choose A
 the final decision must to be tooken by OM, because you must to invest
 on it.

 I hope I clarified something :)

 steve wrote:
  The complexity of the decision is deeper than that.
 
  It involves cost, engineering budget, schedule, price,
 return on
  investment, parts availability.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Brad
  Midgley
  Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 12:12 PM
  To: List for Openmoko community discussion
  Subject: Re: Why not use votation system?
 
  Michele
 
 
  Do you want feature X or feature Y?
 
 
  you might need a table representing the cost and
 business feasibility
  of each feature. We've seen a lot more
 transparency on the 3g decision
  recently which reveals it to be more complicated than
 people thought.
 
  --
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Re: moko running everything as root

2008-06-15 Thread Federico Lorenzi
Isn't there a targeted SElinux policy being developed as part of GSoC?

On 6/15/08, Joerg Reisenweber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 If you have root AND user, root can make a backup copy of user's valuable
 data
 every once in a while, and user or the virus she imported while browsing the
 web can NOT destroy this backup.
 I can't follow your arguments. It's NOT an evil person we need to fence in,
 it's bad behaviour of applications that go nuts on (virus|bug|user fault|*)

 If we don't start to care about this topic NOW, we will see lots of poor
 designed apps that rely on having root access where they shouldn't, and we
 end up in a situation like M$, where the whole system is so much
 root-centric
 that you simply can't switch to a sane user-management anymore, because it
 would break half the system. To fix those apps later is a major PITA.

 I just talked to Wolfgang Spraul and he answered
 But right now we are selling to hardcore developers only, so it's not
 our #1 priority.
 Once our software becomes more stable and mature, this needs to be
 addressed seriously. The good news is that the FOSS community is
 pretty paranoid about this, so I'm sure over time we will have a good
 solution.
 It's a FOSS project and you are the community, so just contribute! I'd
 say,
 do it *now*, as long as it's easy.

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Re: OT: Nokia expects open source developers to accept things like DRM, commercial IP rights, and SIM locks.

2008-06-14 Thread Federico Lorenzi
On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 10:03 AM, Gabriel Ambuehl
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 As for SIM locks and subsidised business models, it seems like a valid trade
 off to me. Get a phone much cheaper than it would cost on its own but only
 use it on our network. As long as there are unlocked version of the same
 phones available, I guess I just don't see the issue. Denying the possibility
 of such arrangements actually impairs the freedom of the end-user as well.
 Namely the freedom to buy a somewhat restricted product at a much lower
 price.

This has been beaten to death in previous threats. You are not getting
the phone for free, you are merely paying for it in your contract.
South Africa has a nice system here. Sure you can get a phone on
contract, for free, but that phone is not restricted in anyway. If you
want to use it on a competitors network, fine, as long as you keep
paying your contract or pay cancellation fees, they don't care.

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Re: Problem in committing project files

2008-06-14 Thread Federico Lorenzi
Hello,
You have to add your ssh public key to your profile, then use ssh+svn
for subversion

HTH,
Federico

On 6/14/08, saurabh gupta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hello everyone

 This is saurabh gupta, developing for open moko in speech recognition
 facility.

 I am getting a problem in committing the files at
 https://svn.projects.openmoko.org/svnroot/speech.

 First I checked out the repository by command- svn checkout --username *
 saurabhgupta* https://svn.projects.openmoko.org/svnroot/speech

 But it didn't prompt for a password and when i tried to commit anything, it
 says
 svn: Commit failed (details follow):
 svn: Can't create directory '/svnroot/speech/db/transactions/0-1.txn':
 Permission denied

 Can someone please tell me how do you commit your changes to that. I am not
 getting the information about the project manager of the openmoko projects.

 thanks in advance..
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Re: No 3G for GTA03, 2G/EDGE only?

2008-06-13 Thread Federico Lorenzi
On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 6:10 PM, thomasg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Usually UMTS devices are capable of a very fine scaling in small steps
 between -50 dBm and 21(24) dBm. As far as I know the usual transmitting
 power in a good covered areas is about 0 dBm.

Remember that every 3dBm is 2x power output, and 10nW(-50dBm) power output?

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Re: Dual SIM?

2008-06-11 Thread Federico Lorenzi
no

Not directly at least, it should be possible however to connect
another phone that has bluetooth up to it, and allow it to act in
nearly the same way.

HTH,
Federico

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Re: regarding the 'data security' thread recently

2008-06-10 Thread Federico Lorenzi
I suppose the cell phone number should be more then unique enough.


On 6/10/08, Ilja O. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 About data wipe:

 I was thinking -- doesn't eny SIM card have some kind of ID number?
 And if they do, do we have software way to obtain it?

 Phone could wipe itself if another SIM card is inserted AND upon SMS message
 receiving.


 If you have several SIM cards, than we could create simple SIM card
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Iphone proximity sensor (was: comparing Apples and Oranges $199 iPhone Freerunner GTA02)

2008-06-10 Thread Federico Lorenzi
Or you just use an infrared proximity sensor. I was thinking it might
be possible to do the same on the Freerunner with the accelerometers.

On 6/10/08, Raphael Wimmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 09:45:18 +0200, kenneth marken [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:

 On Tuesday 10 June 2008 07:37:33 Ron K. Jeffries wrote:
 -- larger physical screen size (but about the same  dpi?)

 i do belive the iphone is lower dpi as the GTA02 is smaller in size, but
 higher in rez.

 -- proximity sensor (knows when held to face, can dim screen)

 that is probably just the heat sensitive screen and some code that
 basically locks out input ones a heat source with a surface area larger
 then a couple of fingers are detected...
 [...]

 It's just the capacitive touch screen. I'm pretty sure no temperature
 sensor is involved. As you said ,you just measure the contact area between
 finger and screen (which is easily possible with capacitive touch screens)
 - and once the contact area gets larger than let's say 3cm you assume that
 your ear/cheek is in contact with the screen.

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Re: resolution preferences??

2008-06-10 Thread Federico Lorenzi
On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 10:49 AM, Ilja O. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Btw, QVGA won't cost much less (it doesn't now and in two years it could be,
 in fact, more expensive than VGA).

That has been especially true of flash drives - I remember seeing a
16MB flash drive that cost more then the same 32MB model.

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Re: comparing Apples and Oranges $199 iPhone Freerunner GTA02

2008-06-10 Thread Federico Lorenzi
On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 2:16 PM, Lally Singh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 comment related-to-parent-poster=no
 Sheesh, what's with all the hate?  I swear the open source community
 should sometimes just be called the hater's club.

This page [1] is generally a good overview of the iPhone. Lets be
serious for a second, a new feature was advertised, the ability to
jump to a contact by typing in the first few letters of the name. My
Motorola E398 from 5 years ago could do that. For sure the iPhone is
not a terrible product, but there is absolutely nothing revolutionary
about it. If any other manufacture had made it, identically, it would
probably be a moderate success. In my opinion all the hate is caused
by the majority of people in the open source community recognize the
fact that the iPhone is no miracle phone, even though it's being
treated as such. But I'm just speaking for myself.
/napalm flamethrower/offtopic

[1] http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=iphone

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Re: Click Feedback?

2008-06-10 Thread Federico Lorenzi
On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 3:13 PM, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi guys,

 we have been shipping pulseaudio (which is quite a CPU hog on embedded
 systems) on our rootfs for quite a while now. The main reason not to use alsa
 directly was because of mixing, since alsa dmix absolutely does not cut it.

 However just recently I ponder whether I should remove pulseaudio for the time
 being. I have been mainly using it to create a click sound (touch feedback),
 since ring tone et. al playback goes over gstreamer anyways.

 So... how important is that click sound to you? Would you miss it? Personally,
 I love it, since the device kind of vibrates (because it's low enough) hence
 I immediately know that the touch has been recognized, even if the UI takes a
 bit. However, I know lot of other people hate it.

 If we were to get rid of it, we could ditch pulseaudio and go directly to
 alsa. This means no longer being able to mix sounds, but rather stick them
 into a queue and play them sequentially.

 Opinions?

Write a light weight sound muxing daemon? :) Wouldn't it be possible
to get the device to actually vibrate when you touch something, since
it does have a vibrator and all?

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Re: No 3G for GTA03, 2G/EDGE only?

2008-06-10 Thread Federico Lorenzi
On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 4:40 PM, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 correct. no 3g for gta03.

Could you confirm if there is edge, or just normal GPRS?

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Re: Free Runner price vs iphone 3G price

2008-06-10 Thread Federico Lorenzi
On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 7:00 PM, Jorge . [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hello everyone,

 I dont pretend to start a flamewar of FreeRunner vs iPhone. Everyone knows 
 their advantages and disadvantages and at least for me the main reason to buy 
 an openmoko is the freedom.

 But the new iPhone 3G price was announced, and the 8 Gigas version will cost 
 only $199 USD and it automatically makes the OpenMoko phone expensive, 
 because they have similar characteristics... this could discourage many 
 possible buyers, for purely economical reasons.


*sigh*
The 3G iPhone does not cost $199. It costs $199 when subsidized
through a 2 year ATT contract. Thats like saying my Nokia E51 costs
nothing, because I got it free with a 2 year contract.

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Re: Free Runner price vs iphone 3G price

2008-06-10 Thread Federico Lorenzi
On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 9:19 PM, Jorge . [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 *sigh*
 The 3G iPhone does not cost $199. It costs $199 when subsidized
 through a 2 year ATT contract. Thats like saying my Nokia E51 costs
 nothing, because I got it free with a 2 year contract.


 Just look Ebay, amazon, etc...  you can buy unlocked iPhones for almost the 
 price they have with ATT, in fact there is no ATT in my country, an i could 
 buy one on many shops in the downtown (dont misunderstand me, i want the 
 FreeRunner!!).

 I am sure it will happen again with the iPhone 3G
No, it won't. When you buy a 3G iPhone, you will actually have to take
out a contract there and then at the Apple store. It's not like how it
was before when anyone could buy it, and just bypass activation. They
will not sell you an iPhone unless you take out a contract.

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Re: QVGA V/s VGA for GTA03 (was something about yummy CPU-GPU combos!)

2008-06-07 Thread Federico Lorenzi
IMHO: You can drive a VGA screen at QVGA, but you can't drive a QVGA
screen at VGA...

Cheers,
Federico

On Sun, Jun 8, 2008 at 2:16 AM, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Sat, 7 Jun 2008 11:46:28 +0200 Michael 'Mickey' Lauer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 babbled:

 On Friday 06 June 2008 20:07:01 Joerg Reisenweber wrote:
  Am Fr  6. Juni 2008 schrieb Flemming Richter Mikkelsen:
   When it comes to GTA03, I will not buy one (because I buy the GTA02),
   so I will not be the target. Maybe QVGA is a good solution, or maybe it
   should be an option when you buy
 
  If I got that right, we just need to tune some of the LCD-driver settings,
  to get QVGA performance on a VGA screen(OWTTE). So the ONLY argument for a
  QVGA screen is the marginal lower price (and it allegedly looks better than
  a VGA in QVGA mode which I don't understand) - but this would clearly be no
  bargain at all if we go for more expensive offer of QVGA *OR* VGA option.
  Absolute nonsense, it costs 100 somecoin to replace the screen with a 30
  somecoin cheaper one 'on customer order'.
 
  I opt for VGA and give us a way to drive it QVGA whenever speed is a main
  concern (think someone said this before?). For GTA03 I'd prefer to have the
  SAME LCM as GTA02, just to reduce design risk. NO capacitive ts, NO QVGA
  LCD screen! :-/ Just my 2 cents from HW-dev

 Full ACK. Once again, 03 is about evolution, not revolution.

 vga to qvga for gta03 is a drop-in replacement. same size, form-factor,
 manufacturer, etc. etc. - so as such it fits in with evolution. as it is a
 drop-in, it is a decision that can be changed easily (for at least a while).

 for now we have a vga screen on the gta03. i asked this after a talk with will
 and i wanted to gauge what people would really think about qvga. i'm fairly
 agnostic about vga vs qvga myself - i'm on the fence with it. i see the
 benefits both ways. if we could have i'd have liked an intermediate res (eg
 480x272), but we won't.

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Re: Yummy new CPU/GPU combo

2008-06-06 Thread Federico Lorenzi
Boo, the Glamo seems to kill everything :(

On 6/6/08, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Thu, 05 Jun 2008 13:04:27 -0700 Robert Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 babbled:

 at vga.. forget mame and games - they will be doing fullscreen updates. at
 vga... no chance (of any decent framerate). if you don't believe me... try
 it
 when you get one! :)

 at qvga though - maybe. also a lot of arcade games are for qvga res... or
 older
 ones are at least...

 You know, you are jokingly commenting about this ...

 ... but i'm fully setting mine up as a mame emulator.

 I think that while initially moko is positioned for the technically
 experienced, I believe we have a device here that can trully do
 something unique - become a portable general computing and gaming device.

 Why not?  Why can't we have a moko with a fold out keyboard that can be
 pulled out and replaced with a game pad?

 This could seriously set the device apart and interest a lot of homebrew
 and small game shop developers because the playing field is so fair and
 level on this platform.

 I think gaming on the moko should be considered a VERY serious
 proposition indeed.

 - Robert

 Markus Bossert wrote:
  Somehow I just remember how nice Tie Fighter looked on my computer
  back in 1994 - or 1996? With a full fledged VGA resolution. And
  gouraud shading.
 
  Mhmmm.
 
  If wine happens to run on the om? :-D
 
 


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Re: resolution preferences??

2008-06-06 Thread Federico Lorenzi
How about keeping VGA, and making the screen bigger then 2.8?

Just an idea,
Federico

On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 5:34 PM, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Fri, 6 Jun 2008 20:16:15 +1000 (EST) NeilBrown [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 babbled:

 On Fri, June 6, 2008 3:39 pm, Carsten Haitzler wrote:

  we can just drive the vga screen at qvga. no need for scaling - just
  change the
  output at the lcd controller level. but it is a waste to pay for a vga
  screen
  when we won't use it. also it does look blocky. it isn't about glamo or
  not -
  it's separate to glamo entirely. simply - how important is a vga screen...
  really? how many people out there can really see the difference? be really
  honest. stop thinking my specs are bigger than your specs. scan u REALLY
  see
  all the pixels on a vga screen of that size. i bet to most people its all
  a
  blur - a qvga screen looks identical to them. only to a minority who have
  very
  good eyesight does it really make a difference, but this is just my bet.
  i'm
  asking the question - and hoping for real honest answers.

 Well, it's hard to know without having an actual device to look at, but
 I'll try

 My notebook has a 15 inch 1920x1200 monitor which comes to 147dpi.
 The Freerunner is 285dpi, the pixels are very close to half the width/
 height of my pixels.

 So at first I thought wow, that's tiny.  I don't think I need them *that*
 small - and I have better than average eye sight.

 Then I resized my browser to 640x480 and found I could read it quite
 well, though lots of web pages don't quite fit.
 I took a screenshot of the window and displayed it at 50% in the GIMP.
 So presumably that is how the image could look on the Freerunner.

 If I hold this image at the same distance from my eye that I usually
 use a notebook (say 55cm) the text looks like it would be too small
 to comfortably read, though the reduction of resolution has made it
 blurry and I cannot be sure.
 If I hold it at the distance that I would typically read a book, which
 is closer to 35cm, the text is still a bit small, but I think I would
 be quite happy reading it - except that the low resolution has made
 it quite blurry. If it were still 640x480, but the same size I think I
 could read it quite happily.

 So my conclusion is that for reading textual content, the higher resolution
 probably is worth it for me.  I doubt it would be of much value for
 photo for videos.  I just tried watching a video at [EMAIL PROTECTED],
 and it was quite acceptable for the physical size.

 The question then becomes - how often will I be reading pages of text
 on my Freerunner.  I really don't know.

 However maps are very similar to textual content - sharp contrast and
 the potential for lots of information in a small space.

 I tried a similar experiment comparing a google-maps image
 320x240*147dpi and simulated [EMAIL PROTECTED], and the 320x240 felt
 very constrained - not enough information on the display.
 The 640x480 felt more comfortable and - I think - would have been
 readable if I had the real resolution.

 cool. someone actually has done a did some experiments on themselves! well 
 done!
 this is just the kind of stuff i was hoping for. this is one of the best
 responses. it's subjective, but using objective measurements as best possible
 with the equipment you have. good!

 so yes - the blurry scaled down in gimp @ qvga would be a qvga screen on a
 freerunner. vga would be sharper. then again - until u have a 285dpi screen
 it's hard to really compare! :) but this is the best you can do! nice! :)
 opinion noted for the future! :)

 Maybe you could ask again we have all had our Freerunners for
 a couple of months.

 What was the story with 320x240x25fps video again?  Is it possible
 with the available memory bandwidth?

 argh! :)

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Re: Cleared to start Mass production

2008-06-05 Thread Federico Lorenzi
Yay at last! So when does your psuedorandom date generator say they
will be ready for shipping :)

Also, in a previous email you mentioned pickups, I assume this means
we would be able to go Fremont, CA, and actually fetch a FreeRunner,
or is it only for larger orders?

Cheers,
Federico

On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 5:12 PM, steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  The latest update I have from the factory indicates that mass Production (
 that means running the SMT line without stopping to check stuff every two
 seconds) has been CLEARED TO START.






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 It will be available soon (within one month would be my guess).  Does anyone
 else have a better guess?

 You cannot book an order at present.  I reckon they will be able to ship to
 Pakistan.

 Cheers
 Dennis

 Masoom Alam wrote:
 Hi every one,

 I wanted to ask, that when the latest version of the openmoko will be
 available (seems a stupid question, as we can see a lot of posts on
 the mailing list :)).
 Actually, I dont want to wait for one year this time, therefore asking
 this question.

 Plus, is there is any possiblity at the moment to book an order for me
 in advance now?

 Plus, I want to ship the latest version to Pakistan, any
 recommendation in this regard?

 Regards,
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Re: Pick up service in fremont CA

2008-06-02 Thread Federico Lorenzi
Does this mean instead of having the Freerunner couriered to us, we
could go and pick it up? If so that rocks, I should be in Mountain
View (visiting Google's HQ :) round about the 9th of July, and picking
up a FreeRunner would certainly be a lot cheaper then the $200 or so
shipping costs to South Africa.

Thanks,
Federico

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 We will support pick up service in Fremont, CA.

 Drop me a line if interested.

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Re: atomic clock / radio-receiver chip

2008-06-01 Thread Federico Lorenzi
On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 9:33 PM, Ilja O. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 9:26 PM, cdr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 And portable thermonuclear bomb. Just in case. (Well, phone is already
 hand interface to several orbital atomic clocks, isn't it?)

 the atomic clock(s) arent orbiting the earth,



 But why there are no clocks at the orbit? They could be useful enough.
 E.g. if there are several of them each on predefined geostationary
 orbit we could do lots of useful things with them! For example, we
 could prove that general relativity indeed exists (although ionosphere
 would likely to spoil party at some degree).
Huh, I'm a little confused about whats being spoken about here, but
the GPS satellites are effectively giant orbiting atomic clocks, its
the basis of GPS.

Cheers,
Federico

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Re: AW: multi-touch?

2008-05-30 Thread Federico Lorenzi
On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 4:06 PM, Joerg Reisenweber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Am Fr  30. Mai 2008 schrieb Fabian Off:
 Hey!

 How does synaptics handle this? When I look at the output my touchpad does,
 I can see X Y Fingers Values... Maybe we could look into this code and see
 how they do detect the amount of fingers? Dunno whether they work nearly the
 same, but I believe this could maybe point us into the right direction :)

 Only my idea... 2-finger-scrolling is so great!

 To the best of my knowledge, at least MY synaptics in front of me right now is
 a capacitive type, and even this one doesn't support multitouch right now
 (though maybe a driver issue).
 Please google or wp for capacitive vs resistive ts! Our 4-wire resistive type
 ts is a device as dumb as bread, NO silicon inside. You simply can't do muto
 with such device in a reasonable straight way. How do you get info of
 X1,Y1,X2,Y2 out of a device with 4 ANALOG connectors (GND incl!)??? It may be
 feasible, but it's rather tricky and needs quite some special hw AROUND the
 silicon-free ts.
 There's a way to detect the surrounding square of _all_ touchpoints on a
 4w-R-ts, at least with GTA02 i think. You may use this to detect there's more
 than one touchpoint. Still you have no correct data for the coords of the 2
 (or 3?) points.
That sounds interesting, if you can tell for a fact that two points
are being pressed down, then you could use some fancy maths and
determine their locations, it would probably solve the one of the
multi touch emulation problems AFAIK, which is not knowing if two
points are being touched on either side, or one is being touched in
the centre.

I probably make no sense :)

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Re: USB power direction in host mode (was: Re: 3G USB Dongle (was Re: Neo as cellular modem?))

2008-05-29 Thread Federico Lorenzi
On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 4:18 AM, Joerg Reisenweber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Am Do  29. Mai 2008 schrieb Michael Shiloh:

 Andy Green wrote:
  -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
  Hash: SHA1
 
  Somebody in the thread at some point said:
  | Am Mi  28. Mai 2008 schrieb Brad Midgley:
  | Joerg
  |
  | On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 2:30 AM, Joerg Reisenweber [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  | wrote:
  | Am Mi  28. Mai 2008 schrieb Brad Midgley:
  | i think it may still be up in the air
  | Nope it's not, see Y-cable in wiki. Should work perfectly. You just
  have
  | to
  | find the 5pin-mini-USB-plug to DIY one.
  | is EN_USBHOST is deasserted by the system automatically now? I'll
  | update the section in
  | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_GTA02_Hardware if it is.
  |
  | No idea, it's a driver issue. On detection of 47k device is switching to
  | fastcharge, which I think is actually working. Also it should activate
  | LOGICAL hostmode for USB-controller same time (NOT asserting
  EN_USBHOST!),
  | which is needed for Y-Cable and doesn't hurt charger. I don't have the
  | slightest idea whether this already is in kernel or not.
 
  It is deasserted if it sees you have a 1A charger in there, has been for
  a while.

 A related question: I presume that it is the electrical signal
 EN_USBHOST which flips the switch which causes the USB port to source
 current in host mode, as opposed to sinking current in device mode.

 This is of course what is expected of a USB host, but it also prevents
 us from charging the Freerunner when the USB port is in host mode, if an
 appropriate power source is available.

 Question:
 Is it possible to charge the Neo Freerunner when using the USB port in
 host mode, by ascerting LOGICAL hostmode and by NOT asserting EN_USBHOST?

 that's exactly how Y-cable_V1 *) works (besides replacing the needed 15k?
 pulldown-Rs also switched away by deasserting EN_USBHOST)
 The combination LOGICAL hostmode + NO chargepump is exactly what the
 kernel-driver should initiate when seeing 47k


 *) There's the spec for V2 already, that's capable of working with USB2.0-OTG
 (supported by GTA03, though USB2.0 will be there with GTA04 at the earliest)
 See Y-Cable revisited somewhere on the lists - even more simple ;-)
I sense a leak of details :) What is the GTA03 that you speak of... I
know GTA04 is the next revision being discussed on the mailing lists,
but I thought GTA03 was skipped?

Cheers,
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Re: multi-tutch?

2008-05-29 Thread Federico Lorenzi
Not really, normal touch screen tablets have a capacitive touch
screen, which is why they usually only work with a special pen, and
you can rest your hand on them.

Cheers,
Federico

On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 1:59 AM, ramsesoriginal
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Ok, as most of you probably did by now, you heared about the Windows 7
 presentation. The most precise of you may have noticed: All of the
 multitouch is also aviable on normal touchscreens (in fact it was
 shown on a normal tablet notebook).
 Sooo.. what does this meen for us? simple: it's possible to
 mimc full multitouch with a normal touchscreen.

 On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 12:47 AM, Marco Trevisan (Treviño)
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Joerg Reisenweber wrote:

 FR-TS is a resistive-4wire-type, which per se isn't capable of multitouch.
 I plan to investigate on some very hackerish tricks to get a little more of
 info out of this design, but for now: NO not possible.
 /jOERG

 I knew this, but it's neither possible to use the touchscreen particular
 gestures like many Synaptics touchpads: I mean tapping,
 double/triple-fingers tapping, two finger scrolling (mine, that is 5 years
 old does it!)...

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Re: multi-tutch?

2008-05-29 Thread Federico Lorenzi
On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 7:33 AM, Federico Lorenzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Not really, normal touch screen tablets have a capacitive touch
 screen, which is why they usually only work with a special pen, and
 you can rest your hand on them.
Correcting myself - from Wikipedia:
Passive tablets, most notably those by Wacom, make use of
electromagnetic induction technology, where the horizontal and
vertical wires of the tablet operate as both transmitting and
receiving coils (as opposed to the wires of the RAND Tablet which only
transmit). The tablet generates an electromagnetic signal, which is
received by the LC circuit in the pen. The wires in the tablet then
change to a receiving mode and read the signal generated by the pen.
Modern arrangements also provide pressure sensitivity and one or more
switches (similar to the buttons on a mouse), with the electronics for
this information present in the pen itself, not the tablet. On older
tablets, changing the pressure on the pen nub or pressing a switch
changed the properties of the LC circuit, affecting the signal
generated by the pen, which modern ones often encode a digital data
stream onto the signal. By using electromagnetic signals, the tablet
is able to sense the stylus position without the stylus having to even
touch the surface, and powering the pen with this signal means that
devices used with the tablet never need batteries. Wacom's patents
don't permit their competitors to employ such techniques.

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Re: early experince Freerunners w/ ASU load, vs. thousnads of Freeruners

2008-05-29 Thread Federico Lorenzi
On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 3:37 AM, Joerg Reisenweber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Am Do  29. Mai 2008 schrieb Marco Trevisan (Treviño):
 In this Linuxtag report [1] (google translated here [2]) there are not
 so good news about production :/
 Can you share with us something more Steve?

 Bye

 [1] http://tinyurl.com/6rs6j2
 [2] http://tinyurl.com/643y64

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 nearly as bad as those html-only (dunno from whom) postings i use to ignore.
 just wanted to let U know
Maybe everyone should use TinyURL with preview?

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Re: 3G USB Dongle (was Re: Neo as cellular modem?)

2008-05-28 Thread Federico Lorenzi
That must be a really power hungry one... I plan on using my 3G /
HSDPA Nokia E51 with the FreeRunner, probably over Bluetooth, but if
that is too slow, then I'll give USB a shot. It doesn't charge over
USB, so it shouldn't need too much power.

Cheers,
Federico

On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 3:46 PM, Brad Midgley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Andy

 I have one of these 3G dongles, it should work from Freerunner battery
 OK since we have a charge pump for the full 500mA it is allowed to pull.

 this verizon dongle comes with a Y cable of its own to plug into two
 usb host ports... ostensibly because it pulls more than 500mA.

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Re: My experience with the Freerunner (was: Any Stats on Batterylife....)

2008-05-27 Thread Federico Lorenzi
Wow, that actually looks better then I expected. According to
PhoneScoop, my Nokia E51 has a talk time of 4 hours or so. Although
I'm not too sure if this is with UMTS or GSM, and I can't really test
as there is no such thing as free calling here.

Cheers,
Federico

On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 9:13 PM, steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Talk time is an interesting metric.

 It would be cool to see how claimed talk times correspond with measured
 talk times.




 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ian douglas
 Sent: Monday, May 26, 2008 5:47 PM
 To: List for Openmoko community discussion
 Subject: My experience with the Freerunner (was: Any Stats on
 Batterylife)

 I'm also doing some testing on a Freerunner for Michael and Steve, and I
 have one thing to share about battery life.

 With the ASU software, with no power saving at all, I placed a phone
 call to my Freerunner with a T-Mobile SIM from an ATT phone. There was
 no audio, just two phones sitting side by side. The next morning, of
 course, the Freerunner was completely drained (my ATT phone was plugged
 into its charger). The phone call lasted 3 hours and 52 minutes -- just
 shy of 4 full hours.

 I'm running another test right now with power saving turned on (dimming,
 no locking), to see if that has any additional impact on call life.
 There's also minor audio going on, as my wife is in the office/nursery
 building some cabinets for the baby we're expecting in October.

 Once these, and a few other power-related tests are done, I plan to
 travel around Los Angeles a little, testing the tri-band coverage in
 various areas of the city.

 I've written a few notes to Michael off-list about the ASU software, but
 wanted to share that of the various test calls I've made to/from land
 lines, VoIP lines (with Vonage) and various cell phones on ATT and
 Verizon to the Freerunner with both ATT and TMobile SIM cards, I've
 only had a single call with no outgoing audio. The SMS software is very
 basic, but complete (no MMS tested yet).

 The terminal application is usable, but the new keyboard isn't terribly
 useful as there are no slash ('/') or pipe ('|') characters which are
 pretty necessary for using a command line.

 I'm also ordering an 8GB SDHC micro SD card to test some 8GB storage
 usaes. So far the 512MB micro SD that shipped with the phone works
 great. I'll test it with a 2GB non-SDHC micro SD when this next phone
 battery test is complete.

 Since others have covered the packaging and accessories, I won't bother
 to echo their notes too.

 More later,
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Re: early experince Freerunners w/ ASU load, vs. thousnads of Freeruners

2008-05-26 Thread Federico Lorenzi
Actually on the FreeRunner it is impossible to brick it unless you
have a debug board, in which case you can unbrick it anyways.

On 5/26/08, David Murrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Since I'm a software guy, my list of nice to have's are:

 *Some sort of example workingish software stack to hack on
 *A documented way of unbricking it if/when I stuff up
 *Hardware that works

 I'm not seeing any problems at this stage...

 Here's how I see this working:

 Openmoko ships the phones with the old(er) firmware.
 People get them, and get onto mailing lists. Technically competent users
 figure how to update them, post instructions. Other people verify them,
 write them up in easy to use fashion. Someone posts a script, someone
 else codes it up into a GUI program for win32, downloadable as a msi
 installer. Parallel to this process will be people hacking away after or
 during work, generating custom builds, and scratching their personal
 software itches. Some of this custom work will get picked up by the
 mainline, and make it into the factory builds.

 This happens everywhere there is collaboration - we see it with PSPs,
 DSLites, iPods and a whole bunch of other highly closed,
 user-modification hostile platforms with no documentation publicly
 available. The fact that this is an open platform means that the above
 process is only going to occur faster from the point at which people
 receive their phones.

 So with all due respect, relax. I'm not a terribly good developer, and I
 reckon I'm up for it.

 Looking at this page:
 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_openmoko#Actually_flashing_things_into_the_device

 Suggests that as long as one isn't messing with the uboot partition, its
 actually pretty hard to properly brick the phone.

 Cheers,
 David

 On Sun, 2008-05-25 at 17:47 -0700, Ron K. Jeffries wrote:
 Sebastian,

 I am well aware that we are MANY months away from Freerunner
 being appropriate choice for an average just a user.

 But Steve has talked about mass production (starting soon...)
 which I'd assume implies OpenMoko building a few thousands of
 Freerunners.

 I am not asking about the relatively few early experience
 Freerunners that
 Steve and Michael have evidently seeded out to a few trusted folks.

 I may be misguided, but the quality of ASU load does not sound like
 it's ready to flow out to a few thousand developers,
 never mind how eager they are.

 My guess:  OpenMoko is gathering feedback from the n=100 (???) early
 experience Freerunner units, then they knocks down the nastiest bugs,
 and THEN and only then open the spigot at the factory.

 If it was me, I would only have built a few hundred so far, but they
 may
 well have bigger balls than I do. ;)

 -rj
 


 From: Sebastian Reichel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 community@lists.openmoko.org
 Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 22:26:53 +0200
 Subject: Re: software load for first mfg run of Freerunner? Is ASU
 what ships?

 hi,

 it was said some days ago in the mailing list, that ASU is not the
 software which is shipped with the phone. But the first Freerunners,
 which are shipped are still not for the average user - they are for
 developers, which are able to update their phones.

 Am Sonntag, den 25.05.2008, 12:35 -0700 schrieb Ron K. Jeffries:
  I am NOT asking if mass production has started.
 
  I am asking if OpenMoko has frozen a release to
  load into the microSD cards. It seems to me that the unit can come
 off
  the line, and that one of the final steps before packing would be to
  load the
  software.
 
  Is ASU the* ship[ping s/w load?
 
  yes I know people can and will download new s/w.
  but you'd hope that the Freerunner as shipped would not
  require an immediate s/w reload.
 
  Or maybe I'm being too old skool ???
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Re: Freerunner v. HTC v. ....

2008-05-25 Thread Federico Lorenzi
Quite amusing that there is an HTC Magician :)

import hat, animals, threading, typing

def type_():
while true:
typing.typerandom()

def pullhat(animal):
hat.pull(animal)

if __name__ == __main__:
threading.Thread(target=type_).start()
pullhat(animals.rabbit)

There :)
On Sun, May 25, 2008 at 12:36 AM, john [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 If you can pull a rabbit out of a hat whilst typing on a normal
 keyboard you are indeed a magician!

 2008/5/24 Federico Lorenzi [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 If you can type as fast on a touch screen as I can on a properly sized thumb
 keyboard,  you are a magician.
 If you can type on a properly sized thumb keyboard, as quickly as I
 can on a fold up bluetooth keyboard, then you are a magician. And if I
 can type as quickly on a fold up bluetooth keyboard, as I can type on
 my normal keyboard, then I'm a magician.

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Re: software load for first mfg run of Freerunner? Is ASU what ships?

2008-05-25 Thread Federico Lorenzi
From mails to this list, AFAIK the answer is no.

On Sun, May 25, 2008 at 9:35 PM, Ron K. Jeffries [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I am NOT asking if mass production has started.

 I am asking if OpenMoko has frozen a release to
 load into the microSD cards. It seems to me that the unit can come off
 the line, and that one of the final steps before packing would be to load
 the
 software.

 Is ASU the* ship[ping s/w load?

 yes I know people can and will download new s/w.
 but you'd hope that the Freerunner as shipped would not
 require an immediate s/w reload.

 Or maybe I'm being too old skool ???
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Re: Freerunner v. HTC v. ....

2008-05-24 Thread Federico Lorenzi
On Sat, May 24, 2008 at 12:45 PM, Al Johnson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Comparing with the FreeRunner hardware wiki page:
 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_GTA02_Hardware

 Comms: Freerunner only has GSM/GPRS triband.
 Connectivity: WiFi equal, Freerunner has Bluetooth 2.1 with EDR
 CPU: same core and clock
 Camera: Freerunner doesn't have one
 Memory: Freerunner has double the RAM and double the ROM
 Memory card: Equal
 Screen: same size, Freerunner is 480x640 but has no keyboard.
 Weight: Similar? Freerunner 110g without battery, battery weight not quoted.
 Size: Similar, but different shape. Freerunner is 120.7 x 62 x 18.5 mm
 Battery: Freerunner has 1200mAh

 USB host mode: only Freerunner. I don't know of another phone that has this.
 GPS: only Freerunner

 media decode/3D: both have the hardware and neither do much with it yet.
 Openmoko have been open about exactly what the capabilities are, while HTC
 were rather evasive when customers started questioning the media performance.
 There are other phones that are better in this area.
You left out the ability to connect to a phone that has HSDPA / 3g (in
my case the Nokia E51) via Bluetooth or USB, and use it as a modem :)

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Re: Freerunner v. HTC v. ....

2008-05-24 Thread Federico Lorenzi
 If you can type as fast on a touch screen as I can on a properly sized thumb
 keyboard,  you are a magician.
If you can type on a properly sized thumb keyboard, as quickly as I
can on a fold up bluetooth keyboard, then you are a magician. And if I
can type as quickly on a fold up bluetooth keyboard, as I can type on
my normal keyboard, then I'm a magician.

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Re: My Openmoko blog is aimed at helping Freerunner users get started

2008-05-22 Thread Federico Lorenzi
Funamble connecter springs to mind. Its free too.

On 5/22/08, thomasg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Supporting proprietary apps and non-standard non-public-documented protocols
 should be imho on the far bottom of the todo.
 So do we need outlook-support out of the box? Definitely not. What we need
 is SyncML support for the PIM apps/daemon (and I'm pretty sure that abraxa
 will be doing fine work in this area).
 If someone needs sync with Outlook: there are ways to make Outlook speak
 SyncML. Mostly they are commercial, but there's no difference to Outlook.

 I'm looking to use the neo as a toy, as a tool and for work, but it is not
 the job of Openmoko inc. to care for proprietary non-standard third-party
 software and waste money for this.

 On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 3:12 AM, Wilkinson, Alex 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

0n Wed, May 21, 2008 at 01:09:24PM -0700, steve wrote:

I do not believe that it will sync to outlook. However, explain
 exactly
 what
you want to do.

get your outlook contacts, mail and appointments to the phone?

 Calendar and contacts syncing between Outlook and phone is a pretty major
 thing
 needed. I would like to use both of these functions extensively to
 organise
 my
 daily working life. I'm not really looking to use OpenMoko as a toy :)

  -aW

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Re: Wireless Cracking / Hacking on the FreeRunner

2008-05-17 Thread Federico Lorenzi
On Sat, May 17, 2008 at 5:28 AM, Brad Midgley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hey

 There is an email from Andy Green in March saying says we don't have
 monitor mode, which I think means no promiscuous mode.
AFAIK monitor mode and promiscuous mode are two different things.
Monitor mode makes the card receive everything going over the air, not
just packets with its SSID, while promiscuous mode allows you to
receive IP traffic not destined for you (in a network connected with a
hub, when you use a switch, things get interesting with ARP hijacking
and the like)

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Re: Freerunner on a Mac ...

2008-05-16 Thread Federico Lorenzi
On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 8:28 AM, Wilkinson, Alex
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
0n Fri, May 16, 2008 at 08:22:12AM +0200, Dirk Deimeke wrote:

One point on my list is to ask you, if it is possible, to configure
(install software) on Freerunner, when you have a Mac?

 And/Or FreeBSD ?
Should work, FreeBSD supports cdce, which is a USB ethernet gadget.

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Re: Freerunner on a Mac ...

2008-05-16 Thread Federico Lorenzi
man cdce on a FreeBSD system...

On 5/16/08, Wilkinson, Alex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 0n Fri, May 16, 2008 at 08:39:48AM +0200, Federico Lorenzi wrote:

 On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 8:28 AM, Wilkinson, Alex
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 0n Fri, May 16, 2008 at 08:22:12AM +0200, Dirk Deimeke wrote:
 
 One point on my list is to ask you, if it is possible, to
 configure
 (install software) on Freerunner, when you have a Mac?
 
  And/Or FreeBSD ?
 Should work, FreeBSD supports cdce, which is a USB ethernet gadget.

 What is cdce ?

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Re: CDCE (was: Freerunner on a Mac ...)

2008-05-16 Thread Federico Lorenzi
On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 5:08 PM, Ian Darwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

cdce[1] is the ethernet -over-usb driver in FreeBSD. To test it, you
can do 'kldload if_cdce', then see the man page.
Last time I tested it, it worked without problems.

 The cdce driver is also in OpenBSD (and presumably NetBSD); on Open at least
 it is in the generic kernel so you don't have to worry about modloading it
 or testing for it.

 The name is not arbitrary, btw. The USB standard defines these things as
 Communication Device Class - Ethernet.

 The BSDs like to give things real names like that, compared to Linux's
 somewhat boring technique of calling all network devices eth (even ones
 that don't actually use Ethernet). I guess it's just a style thing... (he
 says, trying to duck the resulting flamefest)...
Indeed, and if for whatever reason you don't like it, you can always
alias it to eth? too :)

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Re: Idea: Wake me during light sleep

2008-05-14 Thread Federico Lorenzi
On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 5:48 PM, Mo Abrahams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Wed, 2008-05-14 at 17:32 +0200, Sven Klomp wrote:
 Hey, Freerunner has accelerometers, so tie the phone around your arm :-)


 Yeah, and until you get one, why not sleep in a microwave? =P
Because microwaves put out 2.4ghz, I like my radiation at lower frequencies :p

Cheers,
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Re: Freerunner games / using motion sensors in C

2008-05-13 Thread Federico Lorenzi
On that topic, a joystick interface to the accel. would be rather cool.

Cheers,
Federico

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 look in cross path/usr/include/linux/input.h -- basically these guys
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   struct timeval time;
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Re: Wiki distorted in Firefox 3?

2008-05-05 Thread Federico Lorenzi
Close, but no cigar :)

The top half of the menu renders fine for me, but the search bar is
still at the bottem.

Cheers,
Federico

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 please retest, ive added a small patch, courtesy of abraxa.
  thanks for testing (most of us is till on FF2 here)

  ps: please use http://admin-trac.openmoko.org/ for any site,
  infrastructure, webservices issues from now on.

  the product and software/openmoko distribution issues will also move
  from bugzilla to a trac soon.

  will write up about it as soon as we are done (do not worry, no bugs
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Re: Our new Main page of wiki

2008-05-01 Thread Federico Lorenzi
On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 7:35 PM, Nick Guenther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 It's not just the titles that are awkward, all the text sounds kind of
  awkward. Brenda, don't be offended at this, but your first language is
  not English is it? Perhaps you should leave the content of the
  consumer-facing pages (at least, the ones that are in english) to
  someone who has English intuition. I know, Openmoko is supposed to be
  about Openness, but this is a little ridiculous.
Well, it sounds as if English is your first language, why not give
renaming and editing a shot?

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Re: youtube freerunner vid is up

2008-04-30 Thread Federico Lorenzi
On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 4:18 PM, Tim Shannon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 So, why did these guys get early copies of a freerunner to review, when they
 even admitted to not doing this before, and didn't seem to do any research
 on the product they are reviewing?
... Because they are Steve's kids?

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Re: 10 or more phones order

2008-04-28 Thread Federico Lorenzi
And why is it not in Python?

On 4/28/08, Ilja O. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   I just can't leave it like that. :-)
 
   if (phones_ordered % 10 * PRICE_1  PRICE_10_PACK)
  phones_ordered += 10 - phones_ordered % 10;

 Is this really necessary?
 what this code is for?
 And where are comments? :)

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Re: 10 PACK UPDATE!!!

2008-04-28 Thread Federico Lorenzi
Yeah, I fully agree. It's not innuendo unless it's subtle :)

Also, are we still are missing the video from Steve's kids about the
FreeRunner, or have I just missed it?

Cheers,
Federico

On 4/28/08, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Ok, everyone, this type of content must stop right away. It will not be
 tolerated.

 Michael

 David Samblas Martinez wrote:
  We maybe must stop this or freerunner will be the first mobile phone
  with a PARENTAL ADVISORY tag in its case. :)
  In oderside it can be a very agresive marketing campaing Open
 your.phone
 
  */Flemming Richter Mikkelsen [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* escribió:
 
  On 4/25/08, steve wrote:
Somebody needs to work on the software to make it vibrate better.
 
  Maybe I'll have a look at it (need to get the phone first). I got
  one idea,
  but I need to test it:)
 
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Re: Engineering Driven vs. Community Driven (was Re: Ugliness)

2008-04-28 Thread Federico Lorenzi
Actually, you left out a very important aspect to their success. It
starts with an F, and ends in a word normally used to refer to men of
a young age. I hear it's a trade secret.

* Puts on fire retardent suit *

Cheers,
Federico

On 4/28/08, hank williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 3:57 PM, Crane, Matthew [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   There is nothing incredible about apple's electrical, software, or
  mechanical engineering.  IMHO..
 
  The marketing/buzz machine is incredible though.
 

 I presume that you have never worked on a team that has built a successful
 mainstream consumer product, because if you did, you certainly would not be
 able to dismiss their success in this manner. Making things that sell has
 very little to do with advertising. hype does not just come from nowhere,
 as if from the heavens. If crappy products could win based on good
 advertising, all that would be required was money and clearly that is not
 nearly enough (see Microsoft Vista).

 The bottom line is that best selling tech gadgets, software, and computers
 sell to primarily tech savvy people because they like them. They like them,
 because the designers and developers have figured out how to make broadly
 appealing products. That is hard. If you are suggesting otherwise without
 actually having a resume that suggests you have done so yourself, you really
 don't have much of an argument.

 Hank


 
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If this is primarily a developer platform, why are there so many intense
   opinions about such superficial things as color and marketing anyways?
  
 
  In today's world, there is *very* little daylight between marketing and
  engineering. They are of a piece. The product design, the feature set, and
  yes even the physical form factor are all both engineering issues as well
 as
  marketing issues. Apple is a prime example of this. The beauty of the
 design
  of their products is all about marketing, but could not be achieved
 without
  incredible engineering on the electrical, software, and mechanical
  engineering fronts. So I don't think, particularly for a phone, you can
  separate these issues.
 
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Re: 10 or more phones order

2008-04-28 Thread Federico Lorenzi
Haha, one of the bests laughs I've had on here! Although I'm pretty
sure it violates PEP 346356 which clearly states that thou should not
use exec and base64 :)

Cheers,
Federico
On 4/28/08, Ilja O. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   So why's it not in Perl then,
   You could do all that in a simple one-liner...
 
   ;o)
 
 

 I don't know Perl :(
 But I could try to write on z/OS HLASM. Or Erlang...

 Btw, it could be simple one-liner in Python too.
 Like this:
   phone_count = 42
   _orders = [BOX for _i in xrange(phone_count // 10)] + [SINGLE
 for _i in xrange(phone_count % 10)]
   print(Please, order %s % , .join(_orders))

 Or if you want REALLY python one-liner:

 exec(eJwryMjPS41Pzi/NK1GwVTAx4orPL0pJLSoGcqKVnPwjlBTS8osU4jMVMvMUKooS89JTNQqQtOjrKxgaaMYqaANVB3v6ufu4EtCgClbPVVCUmVeioRSQk5pYnKqjALZTQbVYCSivpKOgpJeVn5mnAXWKpiYAGp0z4g==.decode(base64).decode(zip))

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Re: Video Playback virtually impossible on Neo Freerunner? (Re: Video of Qt 4.4 on Neo1973: brings iPhone like graphics)

2008-04-27 Thread Federico Lorenzi
Well, after doing a few tests, (mainly thanks to ahven and SpeedEvil
on IRC), the Neo can handle a 160x128 H264 (with CABAC) encoded video
at 40kbps with a 12kbps audio track. The fun comes in with the
scaling. Scaling to 320x240 with no frame dropping is possible if I
encode the video as baseline H264. However, I think the Freerunner,
especially with a beefier processor and hardware scaling, should
perform quite a bit better. The scaling seems to give quite a big
performance hit.

Cheers,
Federico

PS) I do not own a Neo, and I'm not an expert on anything

On 4/27/08, Kristian 'kriss' Mueller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi Christoph

 Am Donnerstag, den 24.04.2008, 11:19 +0200 schrieb Christoph Witzany:
  As I understood Video playback will be virtually impossible on the
  freerunner, at least from the sd card (which is the only sensible
  location to store videos on the neo ftm).

 I did some testing on that with GTA01.


  Please correct me if I misunderstood.

 Even with GTA01 it was possible - though the tests I made there are not
 valid for GTA02 (don't have one yet).

 What I found out with mplayer is:

 1) H.264 will take to much time to decompress (even at low bitrates)
 2) SDL will be the fastest way to output without HW acceleration
 3) using H.263 (as Youtube does) I could get the best
compression/bitrate/speed ratio
 4) using 320x240 and scale to 640x480 (480x640) is doable

 Some of those findings are documented at the buttom of
 http://wiki.openmoko.org/index.php?title=Video_Player


  If I interpreted Carsten right 640x480 video will
  display at 5-10 fps at best, right?

 Actually with GTA01 I've had 13 fps in fullscreen mode (320x240 -
 480x640) which looked really okay and was viewable.

 A 640x480 H.263 though with reasonable bitrate took to much cpu-power to
 decode.

 Anyway, with GTA02 you should take a try - it seems doable in SW even
 without 2D acceleration, as it just has more cpu power. - try to start
 with:

 mencoder -quiet -ofps 13 -vf scale -zoom -xy 352 -af channels=1:0:0:1:0
 \
 -oac lavc -ovc lavc -lavcopts \
 acodec=mp3:vcodec=h263p:autoaspect=1:vbitrate=200:abitrate=32 \
 -o outfile infile

 mplayer -autosync 30 -vf scale -zoom -xy 640 -vf rotate=1 -sws 0
 -nodouble \
 -vo sdl -fs -framedrop tagetfile


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Re: Video Playback virtually impossible on Neo Freerunner? (Re: Video of Qt 4.4 on Neo1973: brings iPhone like graphics)

2008-04-27 Thread Federico Lorenzi
Well, after doing a few tests, (mainly thanks to ahven and SpeedEvil
on IRC), the Neo can handle a 160x128 H264 (with CABAC) encoded video
at 40kbps with a 12kbps audio track. The fun comes in with the
scaling. Scaling to 320x240 with no frame dropping is possible if I
encode the video as baseline H264. However, I think the Freerunner,
especially with a beefier processor and hardware scaling, should
perform quite a bit better. The scaling seems to give quite a big
performance hit.

Cheers,
Federico

PS) I do not own a Neo, and I'm not an expert on anything

On 4/27/08, Federico Lorenzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Well, after doing a few tests, (mainly thanks to ahven and SpeedEvil
 on IRC), the Neo can handle a 160x128 H264 (with CABAC) encoded video
 at 40kbps with a 12kbps audio track. The fun comes in with the
 scaling. Scaling to 320x240 with no frame dropping is possible if I
 encode the video as baseline H264. However, I think the Freerunner,
 especially with a beefier processor and hardware scaling, should
 perform quite a bit better. The scaling seems to give quite a big
 performance hit.

 Cheers,
 Federico

 PS) I do not own a Neo, and I'm not an expert on anything

 On 4/27/08, Kristian 'kriss' Mueller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Hi Christoph
 
  Am Donnerstag, den 24.04.2008, 11:19 +0200 schrieb Christoph Witzany:
   As I understood Video playback will be virtually impossible on the
   freerunner, at least from the sd card (which is the only sensible
   location to store videos on the neo ftm).
 
  I did some testing on that with GTA01.
 
 
   Please correct me if I misunderstood.
 
  Even with GTA01 it was possible - though the tests I made there are not
  valid for GTA02 (don't have one yet).
 
  What I found out with mplayer is:
 
  1) H.264 will take to much time to decompress (even at low bitrates)
  2) SDL will be the fastest way to output without HW acceleration
  3) using H.263 (as Youtube does) I could get the best
 compression/bitrate/speed ratio
  4) using 320x240 and scale to 640x480 (480x640) is doable
 
  Some of those findings are documented at the buttom of
  http://wiki.openmoko.org/index.php?title=Video_Player
 
 
   If I interpreted Carsten right 640x480 video will
   display at 5-10 fps at best, right?
 
  Actually with GTA01 I've had 13 fps in fullscreen mode (320x240 -
  480x640) which looked really okay and was viewable.
 
  A 640x480 H.263 though with reasonable bitrate took to much cpu-power to
  decode.
 
  Anyway, with GTA02 you should take a try - it seems doable in SW even
  without 2D acceleration, as it just has more cpu power. - try to start
  with:
 
  mencoder -quiet -ofps 13 -vf scale -zoom -xy 352 -af channels=1:0:0:1:0
  \
  -oac lavc -ovc lavc -lavcopts \
  acodec=mp3:vcodec=h263p:autoaspect=1:vbitrate=200:abitrate=32 \
  -o outfile infile
 
  mplayer -autosync 30 -vf scale -zoom -xy 640 -vf rotate=1 -sws 0
  -nodouble \
  -vo sdl -fs -framedrop tagetfile
 
 
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Re: Ugliness (was Re: 10 PACK UPDATE!!!)

2008-04-26 Thread Federico Lorenzi
On 4/25/08, Flemming Richter Mikkelsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  The Freerunner will be replacing a Sony Ericsson P990i
  http://www.cellphonebeat.com/images/p990i_.jpg here - now
  THAT'S a phone which could barely be more ugly, but nevertheless it sold
  well on its features (and besides, ugliness is STILL only an opinion).

Not to mention that phone is a piece of crap, I'm sending this mail
from one now. Sure, the keyboard is cool, and so is 3G, but the fact
that I can't really multitask, like run a web browser and another app
at the same time, kills it. The FreeRunner shouldnt have this problem
though, with 128mb of RAM.

 I could not agree more:)
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Re: Youtube Video Playback on Neo Freerunner? (Re: Video Playback virtually impossible on Neo Freerunner?)

2008-04-26 Thread Federico Lorenzi
Just thinking out loud here, as I probably have no clue what I'm
speaking about, but what about something like XDamage, that only
updates the areas of the screen that have changed?

Cheers,
Federico

On 4/26/08, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 18:56:44 +0200 Marco Trevisan (Treviño)
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 babbled:

  Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
   On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 03:38:24 +0200 Marco Trevisan (Treviño)
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:
   Another format that maybe works on streaming (if I've not misunderstood
   what has been stated) is
 * 5: [EMAIL PROTECTED] flv file
  
   no - not going to work. 21fps at best. :(
 
  Ah... I thought that the limitation was only on playing media saved on
  SD, not on data streaming from the net.
 
  Anyway if the player frame-dropping is enabled (or setting the -fps
  value to 20 in mplayer, for example), I guess we could get a better
  video quality than the other formats...

 as per the thread (just scroll back through it) there is a general
 limitation
 of video bus bandwidth. this will always limit the amount of data you can
 feed
 to the graphics chip (the glamo). this SAME bus is SHARED with SD Card data.
 so
 that same bandwidth now is for both functions, not just graphics.

 i tested - 21fps is what i got for my 320x240 test mp3g4 file (of course
 bitrate will vary this framerate, and different codecs will also affect it).

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Re: Youtube Video Playback on Neo Freerunner? (Re: Video Playback virtually impossible on Neo Freerunner?)

2008-04-25 Thread Federico Lorenzi
Thats my project, btw. My biggest question is how decent the hardware
scaling is. Could it scale 160x128 to fullscreen?

Cheers,
Federico

On 4/25/08, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 03:38:24 +0200 Marco Trevisan (Treviño)
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 babbled:

  Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
   i can say now - 320x240 mpeg4 video with mplayer using xvideo on the
 gta02
   even can't play at 30fps. i was wrong with my guess. it is dropping 25%
 of
   the frames. so as such actually i correct this. i was too optimistic.
 you
   can more likely manage 20fps @ 320x240. this is mpeg4 - so mpeg1 and 2
 may
   be better as they are simpler codecs. do remember when i say resolution
 - i
   mean the video itself. the hardware can SCALE it to fill the screen, but
   this is taking 320x240 video and scaling it up (adding blur) so of
 course
   the quality isn't that good. remember too that color information is half
   that resolution in each dimension again (160x120 - though depends on
 codec).
 
  Well, I was thinking to youtube videos streaming... Since it will be
  impossible to see them in embedded browser (without local javascript
  hacks), I guess that we could use an application (if I'm not wrong
  someone is developing it on projects.openmoko.org) that fetches and
  plays (on streaming too) the videos in other formats supported by
  youtube (you can test them using youtube-dl -f value url [1])
 
  The formats (fmt) that should work with no problems are:
* 13: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3gpp file so H.263 video and AMR Narrowband audio
* 15: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mp4 file with MPEG4 video and AAC audio

 these will work - or should. just a matter of enough software in userspace.

  Another format that maybe works on streaming (if I've not misunderstood
  what has been stated) is
* 5: [EMAIL PROTECTED] flv file

 no - not going to work. 21fps at best. :(

  Maybe too low, but... I think that actually it's the best way quality we
  can get without rencoding it locally or simply without using a 3rd party
  server doing this work for us on the fly.
 
  [1] http://www.arrakis.es/~rggi3/youtube-dl/
 
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Re: (no subject)

2008-04-23 Thread Federico Lorenzi
Me too, very insightful.

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 On 4/23/08, Denis Shulyaka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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Re: photographs of box and POSSIBLE contents of Neo Freerunner

2008-04-21 Thread Federico Lorenzi
Just from looking at photos, it seems that 02's screen is a lot less
reflective then 01?

Cheers,
Federico

On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 9:55 PM, Kosa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 It DOES include earphones!!! Just great!


  Kosa

  - Un mundo mejor es posible -

  Richard Reichenbacher escribió:


  The pictures are too small.  Can you make post up bigger ones?
 
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Shiloh
  Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 12:38 PM
  To: List for OpenMoko community discussion
  Subject: photographs of box and POSSIBLE contents of Neo Freerunner
 
  Remember, Steve is still deciding what to include in the box. These are
 just a bunch of stuff that fit, from which he is making decisions:
 
  http://quickstart.openmoko.org/photographs/
 
  If someone with more skills than me at web page design would like to turn
 this into a nice web page with thumbnails etc. I would welcome the
 assistance. I have to get back to upgrading GTA01 firmware, testing GTA02
 samples, and shipping all of these items. You don't need my permission -
 download these photographs, they are direct copies of my originals, and
 create what you want.
 
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Re: 99

2008-04-20 Thread Federico Lorenzi
Hmm, isn't the dollar price just an estimation?

Cheers,
Federico

On 4/21/08, Marco Trevisan (Treviño) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 steve ha scritto:
  I'll gladly put the price back to $650 which was the first price we
  released.

 LOL... BTW for me you can also put the price at 398 for staying a little
 more far from 399... :P

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Re: Neo Freerunner Quickstart Guide

2008-04-19 Thread Federico Lorenzi
Just wondering, everyone has asked about using GTA01's debug board
with GTA02, what about the other way around?

Cheers,
Federico

On Sat, Apr 19, 2008 at 10:43 AM, Alexey Feldgendler
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Sat, 19 Apr 2008 09:04:49 +0200, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:


  As you will see, I have a lot more to fill in, but I would welcome your
 feedback on what is already there, and suggestions for topics you think
 should be included.
 

  Chapter 4 describes installation of the SIM card, MicroSD card and the
 battery as if they were one task, while in fact it's three different ones.
 It's probably necessary to remove the battery to access the card holders; if
 so, it should be mentioned. Each of the SIM card and MicroSD card can be
 replaced without disturbing the other one, can't they? However, these
 clarifications and breaking down into three tasks is probably not worth the
 hassle, as the developers are going to figure it out anyway, and I hardly
 remember myself ever using a manual to replace the SIM card in any phone.

  The text mentins provided accessories several times. However, the next
 deliveries after the some number of the first ones may not include them.

  Chapter 7 should describe how to find out the current image versions and
 how to use dfu_util (or where to read about it). It should also tell what
 happens to the user data when the root filesystem is updated.

  Chapter 8 should describe how to build the toolchain yourself (how is the
 prebuilt one made?) in case you're not exactly on Intel/Linux.

  Putting stuff in /usr/local/openmoko is against FHS. If the package insists
 on installing everything in one directory, it should be /opt/openmoko. But
 this isn't a problem of this guide.

  Chapter 8 mentions downloading the package to /tmp (where you might not
 have write access because it's not mentioned in the prerequisites) and later
 unpacking them as if they were in ~/sources.


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Re: Charging Neo Freerunner via USB port

2008-04-19 Thread Federico Lorenzi
On Sat, Apr 19, 2008 at 8:16 PM, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Good question. I'm pretty sure the answer is no. Roh, do you recall?
Are you referring to changing using different current draws? IIRC,
someone was tweaking uboot because it wasn't drawing the full 100ma,
only 20 or so, and managed to change some things.

Cheers,
Federico

  Remember, though, that the charging is all under software control, so you
 can set this in software and in fact there are apps to do just this. The
 hardware only provides automatic detection.

  Michael



  Ortwin Regel wrote:

  That's also something I'd like to know as my Minty Boost supposedly
  does up to ~250 mA and I'd like to use that much if possible.
  The Neo 1973 doesn't have the necessary hardware to detect chargers,
  though, or does it?
 
  Ortwin
 
  On 4/19/08, Hans L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   Great summary Michael, and a good discussion.  It would be nice to see
   the ability to support other fast chargers in the future.  That is one
   of my pet peeves about cell phones is that it seems every single
   company(and often even every model made by that company) has it's own
   specific charger which is incompatible with anything else.
  
   Michael Shiloh wrote:
  
 In summary, the Neo can charge at 3 different rates: 100mA, 500mA,
 and
   
   1A.
  
   Just to be absolutely clear, are these 3 rates hardwired into the
   circuitry?  Or might it be possible in the future to support(through
   only software changes) some charger that has for example a max rating
   of 750mA, and get the maximum output from it.
   The discussion up to this point seems to indicate that the best that
   could be done with this theoretical charger would be 500mA.  I suppose
   it doesn't make a huge difference, but something I'd like to know for
   sure.
  
   - Hans Loeblich
  
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Re: Don't ship GTA02v5 without the rework

2008-04-18 Thread Federico Lorenzi
Wow, oh no. That means if I use the LEDs (assuming the use 3v or so) I
will use 50ma. How long exactly do you plan on keeping your LEDs on
for? Quite frankly I _don't_ care about this, and neither do most
people, because the LEDs aren't exactly a deal breaking feature.

Cheers,
Federico

On Sat, Apr 19, 2008 at 3:57 AM, Kevin Dean [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I have to say, I'm baffled by that sentiment. GTA02v5 is fully
  functional, the only problem is that it's not as efficient as it
  could be, just like every other product on the planet.

  For those saying wait another month I've got a different arguement -
  let's NOT hire people to make the changes, purchase the equipment
  needed to do it. If a missing transistor is really upsetting someone
  that much, the open nature of Openmoko works in your favor because you
  can wait until the units you consider defective are sold out. I, for
  one, don't want to pay the costs (and I will, if Openmoko decides to
  wait and add the transistor for goodwill) that will be incurred and
  spread over the rest of the product line. I'm QUITE happy to take a v5
  and go along on my merry way.

  It is quite possible to make your statement by NOT purchasing a v5
  unit and waiting for a v6. Choosing to wait yourself, without passing
  the delay and costs onto everyone else is the most ethical, polite way
  to solve the problem.

  -Kevin



  On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 9:38 PM, Steven Le Roux [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   I totally agree with you.
  
   I understand everybody is happy to see the neo coming, but don't forget the
   goal :) : to provides the best free phones.
  
   It wouldn't be pleasant for us to by a phone, knowing there is a known 
 issue
   with optimisation of  power consumption and LED stuff..
  
   I understand the rush ;) but we can wait...
  
  
  
   On Sat, Apr 19, 2008 at 2:26 AM, Ron K. Jeffries [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   wrote:
   
   
   
OpenMoko team:
   
It's crazy to consider shipping the GTA02v5 without the rework
to solve the current leakage issue.
   
Yes, people are REALLY anxious to get this phone. But shipping
a few thousand of units that do not meet spec on standby time
is a Bad Idea.
   
pull up your socks and do the rework
if that delays launch by 30 days so be it.
besides the firmware will be better by then as well. ;)
   
-ron jeffries.
   
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Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 13:30:59 -0700
Subject: Re: Freerunner will be GTA02v5 or GTA02v6? (was: Fwd: Future
   Button and LED software spec)
On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 11:21 AM, Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 It sounds to me as the problem is easy for those of us that knows a
   little
 electronics. If I get one that leaks current, I will start soldering!


 Does anybody know if the fix Werner is talking about, will be done for
   all
 GTA02v5 PCB's? If it really will be a fix for it, it will not be any
   problem
 at all.
   
Yes maybe it can be fixed.  But is the fix documented yet?
   
Another way to look at it: if the fix can be done without a PCB
change, then why not get the factory to do the rework (swapping
transistors or whatever) before they are shipped?  How much would it
cost to get that done in China?
   
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Re: Will Freerunner have DUN support?

2008-04-17 Thread Federico Lorenzi
Things get way more interesting with the FreeRunner however. Don't
have a Wireless network card? Well...

You get the idea :)
Cheers,
Federico

On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 5:30 PM, Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 It should be possible over GPRS



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   Hi, all.  Like many others, I am eagerly awaiting the release of
   Freerunner.  A showstopper, however, would be if Freerunner could not
   support Dial-Up Networking.
  
   Right now I have a Samsung SGH-T509 phone that allows me to tether my
   laptop to it over a proprietary serial-USB or a Bluetooth connection.
   Once I physically connect the phone to my laptop, the phone appears as a
   serial dial-up modem.  Then it's a simple matter of dialing a special
   number that T-Mobile provides me with, and I get an IP address.
  
   Does Freerunner's firmware/software support this feature?
  
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