Re: Seeling my Freerunner on Ebay
yes i it an American model (850) @steven, I used it in france with a Mobicarte and it worked perfectly well. Philippe On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 5:32 AM, Steven Le Roux ste...@le-roux.info wrote: On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 9:47 AM, Shachar Shemesh shac...@shemesh.biz wrote: feydreva wrote: Hello, I just bought an another phone, so I am selling my Freeruner on ebay. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemssPageName=STRK:MESELX:ITitem=270326829135 Starting bid is 100$, no reserve, free shipping. Phone is like new, it always had a zack invisible shield for the full body and for the screen. Headset have never been used, and it comes with the pouch. (i lost the stylus long time ago). I can provide more picture and more info in request. At the moment, it is loaded with the 2008.12 version of software. Regards Philippe You forgot to say whether this was the 850 or 900 model. From the fact that the phone is located in the US, I'm assuming it's the 850 model. Shachar ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community If you run this 850MHz phone in EU, it should work on both 1800/1900 even if 850 can't reach any BTS, right ? -- Steven Le Roux Jabber-ID : ste...@jabber.fr 0x39494CCB ste...@le-roux.info 2FF7 226B 552E 4709 03F0 6281 72D7 A010 3949 4CCB ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Seeling my Freerunner on Ebay
Hello, I just bought an another phone, so I am selling my Freeruner on ebay. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemssPageName=STRK:MESELX:ITitem=270326829135 Starting bid is 100$, no reserve, free shipping. Phone is like new, it always had a zack invisible shield for the full body and for the screen. Headset have never been used, and it comes with the pouch. (i lost the stylus long time ago). I can provide more picture and more info in request. At the moment, it is loaded with the 2008.12 version of software. Regards Philippe ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Back to the basics: improving user experience
I am not a developer, but i test the images and try to use the openmoko... My main issue with Openmoko are : 1) Battery life : only 4hrs, and when you charge it, it discharge itself after a while. I cannot use it as a daily phone :/ 2) Basic telephony : the phone should wake up faster than it does now the time the phone wakes up, rings, and you pick the call, there has been 6 rings for the other party, and may already be on the voicemail 3)Basic text message should work flawlessly. 4) A way to set up the sound and rings ... There is actually no gui for that 5) I haven;t find yet where to activate the PIN or not... I put 1 sim card that asked for a pin, it work.. I put a another sim card, where no pin is needed.. it was still asking for a pin... (I had to reflash to solve this one) but there is no Menu where I could choose, Pin on/off, if pin on, set up the pin I do not care at all about any other application. I want a daily phone... where i can receive, make call, receive and send text message, and have the phone a day with me, wihotut having to cahrge it every 2 hrs... (8-10 hrs battery life would be better, with wifi on, gps off) Until we reach this point, I will continue tu use my dumb phone eeyday, and the FR will catch some dust on a shelve... Peace Philippe On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 9:21 AM, Stroller [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: On 19 Oct 2008, at 13:46, Dale Maggee wrote: arne anka wrote: ==Pim device== imho that's exactly the kind of task openmoko did _not_ ask for. I would respectfully disagree - Openmoko asked about Improving user experience, and users are saying they want to experience PIM capabilities. ... and it's doable by community! Agreed, it could be done by the community, but I don't see anyone doing it, and I'm not smart enough, nor do I have the time at the moment. It does not matter whether YOU could do it or not. it's a matter of where Openmoko's resources are best spent. If you can't write a PIM app, then you CERTAINLY can't write kernel drivers - THAT is where Openmoko's resources should be mist focussed, IMO. As others have stated, there is some hardware-level stuff that only Openmoko has NDA for. And without working hardware drivers to ensure that phonecalls work flawlessly (and wifi, and bluetooth), a PIM is irrelevant. there are a lot of posts lately completely ignoring the point of basics and no eyecandy I haven't seen anybody ask for pretty-looking PIM applications, people seem to be asking for *reliable* PIM applications. I'd call reliability and robustness basic. Basic reliability and robustness resides in a program with which you can enter a number and make a call. Once that prototype exists it is much easier for the community to extend it to PIM functionality. Openmoko can then move on to wifi drivers, Glamo hardware acceleration and pairing of bluetooth headsets. pim frinst is at it's best part of a middle tier, but rather of a particular distribution -- This kind of comes into the Should FSO merge be sped up? debate, as I believe the framework has PIM stuff built into it. AIUI (and I would be delighted to be corrected if I'm wrong), the FSO stuff is intended to provide functions which will allow you to make simple DBUS calls such as get number $var from PIM manager and make call to number $var. Once these are complete, writing your own applications becomes easy. True the first of these example calls requests you integrate the functionality in your own app, but the latter makes problems with dealing with the dialler the GSM chips whatever go away. It is FAR more important to provide the community with these tools than it is to provide any kind of application that utilises them (beyond a command-line version which gets numbers from a text-file and operates as a test example). Once these calls are available there will be dozens of PIM managers posted to this list and being written by enthusiastic Python programmers. Stroller. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Locations (2008.8) Questions.
Hello, - where are the tiles downloaded while using Locations saved ? /tmp/diversity-maps ?? If they are, is there a way to save them somewhere different ? so I do not have to download them all the time. Or i can create a map package like : http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om2008.8_Locations#Create_Offline_Maps and save them my_map1.eek but if I download news tiles, I have to think about creating a my_maps2.eek, before I reboot the FR again... I wish there was a way to have all the map saved in a permanent locations... - Also, If I want to use/Download some Google_maps (for personal usage) and use them with Location , how do I do that ? I am going to vacation in a location there is no OSM map, and I would like to have the gmap instead... Regards Philippe ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2008.9 - Was Re: Third request: what *is* the warranty on the Freerunner?
Does Mokomakefile can build a 2008.8 more recent than the one release on August 08 of 2008 ? I setup the Makefile for OM_GIT_BRANCH := org.openmoko.asu.testing and run make openmoko-qtopia-x11-image Will I have the fake asu, like the one on the daily buildhost ? or will I have a 2008.8/ASU ? if not, how can I build myself a more recent 2008.8/ASU Regards Philippe On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 4:47 PM, Jay Vaughan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh come on. After reading all your (and others') scary messages about that, I decided to give it a try. So I pointed my browser to http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoMakefile. Half an hour later, I had a build in progress. Most of that half-hour was spent waiting for stuff to download, and part of the rest was due to my running the whole stuff in a particular isolated environment (cowbuilder chroot, for those who care) with its own characteristics (stuff runs as root, and I didn't have a home directory). great that its working for you, looking forward to future news of your .ipk URL's .. Of course, the build hasn't completed yet (I have a few *.ipk already, but the webpage mentions 5 hours on a computer that's rather faster than mine), but if pasting less than 15 commands straight from a web page is too high a barrier to entry for prospective developers, I doubt they'd be able to accomplish much even if it was a single command to run. since where did i say that i couldn't follow the instructions on the wiki? the issue is that there is no one stable, common, build system - or distribution channel - for developers to pop their stuff into, and with the moving targets of 'fso' vs. 'asu' vs 'om2007.2' vs 'underground' vs 'etc', its a bother. much more fun, right now, to hack code *on* the machine itself, put up with slow (actually not bad considering how much code gets written in between compiles) build times, but have a development environment that sits on a 512m SD card rather than .. 12 gigs, not counting the VM backups i've been doing over 12 months of tracking mokomakefile .. Half an hour. 15 commands to copy and paste. How much more hand-holding does a developer need? please, do not assume i am a fool unless you would consider like countenance. its not the hand-holding or the trick makefiles. its the dire lack of a dictator to rally around and form a federation .. and as a result, actually, building apps for the phone *with* the phone is turning out to be, frankly, a lot more workable - and lightweight - than over a year of mokomakefile groupthink right about now .. ; -- Jay Vaughan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Temporary testing and development feeds for ASU
Awesome :) On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 7:38 PM, Jay Vaughan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: development/unstable trees: http://people.openmoko.org/~zecke/om2008.8-dev/allhttp://people.openmoko.org/%7Ezecke/om2008.8-dev/all http://people.openmoko.org/~zecke/om2008.8-dev/armv4thttp://people.openmoko.org/%7Ezecke/om2008.8-dev/armv4t http://people.openmoko.org/~zecke/om2008.8-dev/i686http://people.openmoko.org/%7Ezecke/om2008.8-dev/i686 http://people.openmoko.org/~zecke/om2008.8-dev/neo1973http://people.openmoko.org/%7Ezecke/om2008.8-dev/neo1973 http://people.openmoko.org/~zecke/om2008.8-dev/om-gta02http://people.openmoko.org/%7Ezecke/om2008.8-dev/om-gta02 awesome, i'm going to use this to target some packages in the next 2 or 3 days .. ; -- Jay Vaughan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GPS rework: Please test and report on software fix priorto attempting any hardware fix
Hello, It seems I have an issue with my GPS, I did the software upgrade (last uboot, abd ASU 2008.8 kernel and rootfs) but still, it takes more than 5 minutes for my GPS to get a fix, without SIM card, without SD card, Without Wifi enable, in a open area What should I do ? do you have a reliable procedure that will concude I have a problem, if it is determine I have a problem, what is the next step ? Regards Philippe On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 8:21 PM, steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A wiki wont do. A proper test proceedure and test report is called for. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Shiloh Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 5:33 PM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: GPS rework: Please test and report on software fix priorto attempting any hardware fix Agreed. I've been trying to gather that information for the past little while. It's proven rather elusive, and I didn't want more people to try the hardware fix until we really understand what the software fix can do, so I thought I'd better ask for the test ASAP, and then continue working on the info. Andy, can you provide links to two kernels: one before, and one after the fix? The test will consist something like cat /dev/ttySAC1 | grep GPGGA and then time it until it gets a fix. I'll be more specific. Perhaps I'll set up a wiki page for this. Michael Josh Thompson wrote: Could we get a link to some image files to use for this testing? I'm not quite sure when Andy's fix made it in the kernel. It would also help standardize the tests if we all use the same images. Josh On Mon August 4 2008 7:29:17 pm Michael Shiloh wrote: Before we conclude that the hardware fix is required, we'd really like to gather a lot of statistics from you about the behavior of the software fix. We have been able to test in only a limited number of locations, and a limited number of phones. We'd like to ask you to run some tests and report back the TTFF in each case: 1. Prior to Andy's software fix 1a. Without SD card 1b. With SD card 2. Using Andy's software fix 2a. Without SD card 2b. With SD card Preferably run this test in multiple locations. Results should be reported on a wiki page, which should include your location (so we can assess other influences e.g. satellite elevation and weather conditions) Thanks, Michael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: A very sad story...
On the Wiki, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_1973_hardware#LCD_Module_.28LCM.29 it says the LCD module is a TD028TTEC1 Just Google it.. there is 2 Chinese company selling it... You can find it also on eBay for 309 RM (Malaysian ringgit) which is approx : 90$ (http://cgi.ebay.com.my/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=290224409238) Maybe someone that know better than me can confirm the screen would work on the FR. Regards Philippe On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 8:11 PM, John Koenig [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Hey all, Usually my first post to a community mailing list is some basic question that I could find if I just read 15 more mins on a wiki, but I am sad to say that this isn't the case for this posting. I have been an openmoko user for 4 days now, and a happy one at that. I was getting involved, learning, and bothering plenty of people on IRC with the types of questions I mentioned earlier. Today, I had my openmoko in my pocket (empty at that) as I was out for a walk and when I turned it on afterwards I discovered a crack in the LCD panel! I don't really know how to proceed from here. I contacted the reseller I purchased the phone from, Koolu, and haven't heard back from them yet. I need help in figuring out what to do next. If Koolu is unable/unwilling to help, how can I go about getting another LCD panel to replace the damaged one? Any thoughts/advice is appreciated. Thanks, John Koenig ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: InvibleShield at ZAGG : swindling ?!?
hello, I ordered it, and it took around 3 weeks to get it in the US. Regards Philippe On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 11:00 AM, Dan Leinir Turthra Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Tuesday 05 August 2008 Cédric DUFOUIL wrote: Hi community, I ordered an InvibleShield protection at Zagg.com for my freerunner the 18th of july and have been charged on my credit card but have no news about my order (despite the fact that I sent them emails !!) I would like to know if any of you had troubles ordering on this web site. Did you receive your order ? Thanks for your testimony (PS : Sorry if my email is not well formed, I'm not an English speaker) i received mine, in fact extremely rapidly considering i chose the cheapskate free shipping option that's supposed to take a couple of weeks (it arrived in two days). So, i can only say that my experience is positive :) -- ..Dan // Leinir.. http://www.leinir.dk/ Co- existence or no existence - Piet Hein ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: USA, East coast groupe order
I register myself on the NY list, and we will see what happens when we get the final count and the moko is out :) On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 10:45 PM, Gilbert Hartmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sounds like a good plan to me Paul Buede wrote: Count me in. Feydreva wrote: It seems we will never have 10 people in VA, nor in Maryland, nor in New york. New york group is already 5. Why not all go in the NY group then ? I was thinking joining the NY group, and get someone to send me the phone in VA. Philippe ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
USA, East coast groupe order
It seems we will never have 10 people in VA, nor in Maryland, nor in New york. New york group is already 5. Why not all go in the NY group then ? I was thinking joining the NY group, and get someone to send me the phone in VA. Philippe ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: USA, East coast groupe order
Hum.. I was just expecting one of the NY guy to send it by mail ... Even if the Week end in new york seems appealing :) On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 4:14 PM, Lally Singh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 3:46 PM, Feydreva [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It seems we will never have 10 people in VA, nor in Maryland, nor in New york. New york group is already 5. Why not all go in the NY group then ? I was thinking joining the NY group, and get someone to send me the phone in VA. Philippe Indeed. I'm in southwest va for school, but my family's right outside DC. A NY trip sounds fun. Maybe we can ship to NY, then a few of us can go up to NY for a weekend of good drinking OM fun? -- H. Lally Singh Ph.D. Candidate, Computer Science Virginia Tech ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTA03 case should incorporate stylus holder
a stylus is a another thing to loose... I do NOT want to be Dependant on a stylus... On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 4:14 PM, Stroller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 5 Jun 2008, at 18:46, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote: On Thursday 05 June 2008 18:04:32 Stroller wrote: On 5 Jun 2008, at 15:38, Ron K. Jeffries wrote: Can the revised case for GTA03 *please* be designed to hold a stylus? Nooo! Stylii are EVIL! If I can't operate an app with my fingers, then there's no place for that app on my mobile phone! A stylus is inevitable given a certain combination of application type and physical display size. That doesn't mean that we will not write all our apps finger- compatible (we also hate stylii), I think what you're saying there is that 1st-party apps will be finger-compatible, but that ported applications are not sure to be optimised for finger use. _but_ being an open device, we should not lock out people who _need_ to have lots of tiny stuff on their screen hence need to operate with a stylus. If the Openmoko dream is a beautiful, consistent interface that doesn't need a stylus, then including a slot for one is kinda an admission of defeat. Surely most end-users are - in the long-term future of Openmoko - going to use mostly the preinstalled applications, or the core distro and only add one or two extra applications. Sure, developers of those additional apps are going to need stylii, as they compile Thunderbird for ARM architecture and the buttons are really tiny, but the aim of applications coming-on-board to Openmoko should surely to be finger-capable. Including a stylus holder just allows developers to say, oh, fingers don't matter. There are a dozen smartphones out there that I can buy now with tiny little touchscreens that need a stylus, but these are used only by geeks. The majority of people buy still buy phones with a number pad and some kind of navigating aid (a tiny wheel, or joystick nub, or up-down-left-right arrow buttons). Why is this? Probably because people like using their fingers to access their phone. I know this is an old, and perhaps divisive, debate, where never the twain will meet, but Openmoko has a great opportunity here to make a phone that combines power with ease-of-use. Enable anyone to install extra apps on their phone, and *anyone* to use it. A fiddly stylus just makes the device less accessible. Stroller. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Funny Dialer
I love the rotary dialer On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 2:10 PM, Steven ** [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is that noise in the background? Do you do your programming in a haunted house? It's freakin me out... -Steven On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 12:44 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All, I've got my sort-of, kind-of working rotary dialer (with source) here: http://www.cibomahto.com/?p=192 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Baltimore/DC Group
Maybe you could put you name on the Wiki ? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GroupSales#Mid-Atlantic it would be easier to see and maybe group some area together For mid Atlantic, there is a Virginia, Maryland, NY groups On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 8:01 AM, Paul Buede [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I started one for Maryland, I live out past Frederick, so I am in the DC area. Joshua Broussard wrote: How have I not yet seen a call for group orders from the WMA to Baltimore, but there is one for Utah... No offense Utah... Any interest? r/ Josh ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [GSM] Geolocating
Have a look at theses 2 projects : http://www.eppenga.com/gg-tracker/ and http://www.aspicore.com/en/tuotteet_tracker.asp?tab=2sub=2 On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 12:09 PM, Sander Hoentjen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2008-04-23 at 14:17 +0200, Marc-Olivier Barre wrote: On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 1:57 PM, Lucas Bonnet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello guys, during one of my presentation of the Openmoko project, I mentionned the ability to know which GSM cell the Neo is connected to. This allows some approximate geolocating, provided you know the position of the GSM cells. It could be useful in an urban environment, where GPS isn't very helpful (walls, narrow streets, etc.). Well the key concept here is provided you know the position of the GSM cells. Now, you might try to call you operators customer support asking them Hi, could you send me a copy of your hardware database please ?, but I doubt you would get a positive answer, *if* they even bother to answer... I think http://celldb.org/ is trying to solve this problem. Sander ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 850MHz or 900MHz? ATT or TMobile?
Hello, I do have almost the same question... I live in US, but I m european, and goes back there very often, plan on comming back to europe in less than a year I am with T-mobile, and from what I heard/read, T-mobile in US is mainly 1900 Mhz. So, I i have a 1900/900 phone in US, will I really suffer from not having the 850 Mhz ? Does T-mobile US really uses the 850 Mhz Openmoko really need to be a Quad-band phone Is there any plans for it ? Regards Philippe On Wed, 2008-03-19 at 07:28 -0500, Adam Hough wrote: On Wed, 2008-03-19 at 04:02 -0700, Ajit Natarajan wrote: Hello, A question from a cell phone newbie. I understand that the Freerunner will come in two varieties: 850MHz and 900MHz. I live in the Silicon Valley in California. My work zip is 95014 (Cupertino) and my home zip is 95008 (Campbell). In and around these areas is where I expect to be most of the time. Should I get the 850MHz version phone or the 900MHz? Which would be the better provider for this area: ATT or TMobile? If I should RTFM, please send me a pointer to where I should look to get my answers. Thanks! Ajit ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Most likely you want to get the 850Mhz version because as far as I know there is no 900Mhz GSM frequency band in use in the US. http://www.gsmworld.com/roaming/gsminfo/cou_us.shtml ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
T-Mobile, MyFav and OpenMoko
Hello, Do you know if MyFav, from T-mobile will work with OpenMoko ?? I am not sure because if you check the phone list on Tmobile web site, not all of them can handle it. What is the hardware/software needed to have MyFav working ? MyFav is a plan of T-Mobile, where you have 5 predifine number, that are unlimited in addition of some minutes plan Regards fey ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
