Re: Invitation to indicate interest in next batch of GTA04A5 boards

2013-03-26 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
Well, we all value different qualities.  In addition to being libre, I
would really like a bigger display and battery option, and a case for it.
Maybe a 4 display - maybe bigger.
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Re: QtMoko v48

2012-10-03 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
On 10/1/12, Radek Polak pson...@seznam.cz wrote:
 On Sunday, September 30, 2012 05:21:43 PM Flemming Richter Mikkelsen wrote:

 I have big problems starting booting up proper.
 After finally attaching the debug cable, I noticed that
 the kernel is 3.4.0-gta04 but under /lib/modules/ there is only
 2.6.34-qtmoko-v48.

 Do I need to first boot with 2.6.34 and then upgrade to the new kernel?
 It is strange that I didn't see any other reporting this problem.

 Have you downloaded the right tarball? The download url for GTA04 is

   http://sourceforge.net/projects/qtmoko/files/GTA04/

Thank you very much.  I used the correct url, but clicked on the link on
the top (for the lastest version) without noticing that the filename said it
was for gta02.

Sorry for the noise, and thank you for the help!
Looking forward to finally test the correct image:)


 2.6.34 is kernel for Freerunner (GTA02). So this looks like you have kernel
 for GTA04 and rootfs for GTA02.

 I have checked the qtmoko-debian-gta04-v48.tar.gz tarball and it looks all
 fine (3.5 kernel in boot, 3.5 modules in /var/lib)

 Regards

 Radek

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Re: How to bring forward the community?

2012-04-05 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 23:43, Michael T. Dean mtd...@thirdcontact.com wrote:
 On 02/29/2012 05:35 AM, Nikita V. Youshchenko wrote:

 Then, we have to define a keyboard layout. QWERTY or ABCDEF. Add
 numeric keys or make them Num+QWERTY to save one row of keys.

 And to unsimplify, we need a US, a UK, a German, a French, an Italian
 layout and maybe Chinese, Japanese etc. This is doable by exchanging
 keycaps or keymats - but we have to stock and provide several different
 ones.

 Layout could be changed via software.
 What is actually printed on keys, does not matter much, it is changable on
 user side.


 Or just don't print it, a la http://www.daskeyboard.com/model-s-ultimate/ .
  :)

 For me, it's the tactile feedback of a hardware keyboard I like--and I don't
 mean making the phone vibrate or the whole screen's clicking down or the
 phone's making a click sound when I hit a key, but being able to clearly
 /feel/ the edges of the keys so I know what key I'm hitting before I hit it
 and even when my finger is covering the keys.  No idea if you could simulate
 it well enough with something like Senseg's (electro-static) haptics
 technology ( http://senseg.com/ +
 http://senseg.com/technology/senseg-technology ), but I have my doubts, and
 I'm sure patents and licensing costs make that a no-go, anyway.


One idea to get the feeling of buttons is to use a protective film with
some cuts or similar that you can feel, over the area where the virtual
keyboard may appear.

 Mike

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Re: GTA04 Installation Service for Switzerland and other Non-EU countries

2012-01-14 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
I live in Norway and could help one or two.

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Re: [Gta04-owner] Status GTA04 GroupTour

2011-12-30 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
I just got an idea.  Maybe it is not very good, but I will mention it anyway.

Imagine if the GTA04 board could be available for different cases,
so that people owning a HTC could free their devices


Maybe this is not feasible, but could increase the marked if done right.

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Re: [Gta04-owner] GTA04 Group Buy - Status

2011-12-18 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 12:01, Giacomo 'giotti' Mariani
giacomomari...@yahoo.it wrote:

 [cut]

            Here, I want to add that a friendly enthusiast (who wants to
            stay anonymous) has spent close to 1 EUR to support
            the project. He just believes in the idea of an open moko.

 Thank you anonymous enthusiast, your are spending your money wisely:)

 +1

+1

Thank you very much for supporting our dream!

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Re: Intone 0.60 Almost Stable ;-)

2009-07-31 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 18:47, c_ccchan...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Hi,
  Well, here's the latest bug-fix version of intone.

 * minor GUI changes
 * progress during scan
 * settings shows bt when streaming to bt
 * more tolerant streaming over bt
 * bt button support
 * previous key followed by pause key not pausing fix

 Enjoy!

 http://n2.nabble.com/file/n3334941/intone_0.61_arm.ipk intone_0.61_arm.ipk

I started intone, started to play a song, paused it, switched to BT,
and intone stopped responding.

r...@om-gta02 /media/card $ intone
Simple mixer control 'PCM',0
  Capabilities: volume
  Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right
  Capture channels: Front Left - Front Right
  Limits: 0 - 255
  Front Left: 235 [92%] [-10.00dB]
  Front Right: 235 [92%] [-10.00dB]
Killed
Using **pending_return in dbus_connection_send_with_reply_setup()
without pending_setup is deprecated and strongly discouraged
Using **pending_return in dbus_connection_send_with_reply_setup()
without pending_setup is deprecated and strongly discouraged
Using **pending_return in dbus_connection_send_with_reply_setup()
without pending_setup is deprecated and strongly discouraged

Using **pending_return in dbus_connection_send_with_reply_setup()
without pending_setup is deprecated and strongly discouraged


MPlayer interrupted by signal 13 in module: exit_player
- MPlayer crashed. This shouldn't happen.
  It can be a bug in the MPlayer code _or_ in your drivers _or_ in your
  gcc version. If you think it's MPlayer's fault, please read
  DOCS/HTML/en/bugreports.html and follow the instructions there. We can't and
  won't help unless you provide this information when reporting a possible bug.
Simple mixer control 'PCM',0
  Capabilities: volume
  Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right
  Capture channels: Front Left - Front Right
  Limits: 0 - 255
  Front Left: 235 [92%] [-10.00dB]
  Front Right: 235 [92%] [-10.00dB]
Simple mixer control 'Bass',0
  Capabilities: volume volume-joined
  Playback channels: Mono
  Capture channels: Mono
  Limits: 0 - 15
  Mono: 0 [0%]
Simple mixer control 'Treble',0
  Capabilities: volume volume-joined
  Playback channels: Mono
  Capture channels: Mono
  Limits: 0 - 15
  Mono: 0 [0%]

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Re: Intone 0.60 Almost Stable ;-)

2009-07-31 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 19:28, OpenMitkoopenmi...@gmail.com wrote:
 Thanks a lot, Flemming. Looking forward to your testing results.

 2009/7/23 Flemming Richter Mikkelsen quat...@gmail.com

 On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 09:14, OpenMitkoopenmi...@gmail.com wrote:
  Hi Flemming,
 
  Is it tested with SHR and intone? What about GSM calls? I like Jabra
  BT3030
  very much and I will be very happy if they work with our beloved Neo.

 I didn't test it yet.  I will test it and report back tomorrow.
 ( Feel free to bug me if I don't:D )

Sorry for the late reply.
I got mplayer working with the handsfree but no luck
with intone so far.  Anyway I am sure it will be solved
so I still recommend this handsfree.

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Re: Intone 0.60 Almost Stable ;-)

2009-07-31 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 08:47, Flemming Richter
Mikkelsenquat...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 19:28, OpenMitkoopenmi...@gmail.com wrote:
 Thanks a lot, Flemming. Looking forward to your testing results.

 2009/7/23 Flemming Richter Mikkelsen quat...@gmail.com

 On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 09:14, OpenMitkoopenmi...@gmail.com wrote:
  Hi Flemming,
 
  Is it tested with SHR and intone? What about GSM calls? I like Jabra
  BT3030
  very much and I will be very happy if they work with our beloved Neo.

 I didn't test it yet.  I will test it and report back tomorrow.
 ( Feel free to bug me if I don't:D )

 Sorry for the late reply.
 I got mplayer working with the handsfree but no luck
 with intone so far.  Anyway I am sure it will be solved
 so I still recommend this handsfree.


This one works well with Jabra BT3030 with all buttons:
http://n2.nabble.com/file/n3360899/intone   intone-pre-0.62

I will update the wiki later today.

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Re: Intone 0.60 Almost Stable ;-)

2009-07-31 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
On 2009-07-31, OpenMitko openmi...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi,

 Thanks for the good news. Did you try if they work for GSM calls?

I am not sure how to test that but I will search the
wiki this weekend and report back:)

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Re: Intone 0.60 Almost Stable ;-)

2009-07-23 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 09:14, OpenMitkoopenmi...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi Flemming,

 Is it tested with SHR and intone? What about GSM calls? I like Jabra BT3030
 very much and I will be very happy if they work with our beloved Neo.

I didn't test it yet.  I will test it and report back tomorrow.
( Feel free to bug me if I don't:D )

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Re: Intone 0.60 Almost Stable ;-)

2009-07-22 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 22:50, Laszlo
KREKACSlaszlo.krekacs.l...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 8:46 PM, The Digital
 Pioneerdigitalpion...@gmail.com wrote:
 My guess is
 this is caused by a blip in the signal, which is a part of bluetooth life,
 and usually mplayer handles it by resetting the pipe.

 An offtopic question:
 Do you have a recommendation for a good bluetooth headset? (for music 
 listening)
 Better then using the headjack on the phone.

I recommend Jabra BT3030 as it charge over usb, can
be paired with 2 devices at once, lets you use your
favourite headphones, have buttons, etc.


 Thank you in advance,
 Laszlo

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Re: FR as wireless mouse

2009-02-27 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
You could try to submit a bug report / feature request
on remoko. I assume it could be expanded:)

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Re: GUI responsiveness (was Re: SHR first impression : it's slow ?)

2009-02-27 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
Once again I write about something I shouldn't
write about at all since I don't know how it works.

I could be very, very wrong here... just guessing:

I got a feeling that no calculation (no effects)
is faster than this optimal code.

OM2008.0808 and earlier was quite fast and
I think adding all kinds of effects is a step
backward.

No eye candy means that one could play
music, etc. when scrolling.

Do we really need illume? Why not something
lighter with less/no visual effects, etc.?

What happened with back to the basics?

I don't think scalecache can make everything
as smooth as the good old GTK theme, but
it would be nice if I am wrong.

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Re: simultaneous multiple audio sources and destinations

2009-02-27 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
If I understood it correctly, you can route and
mix the audio as you like on the neo.
I think that is why there is so many mixer settings
in alsamixer.

The wolfstone is very advanced.

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Re: Booting from large microSD (SDHC) [success]

2008-11-11 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
I tried some SDHC cards. I created multiple partitions.
The first one on 2GiB, the second one also on 2GiB and
the final on the remaining free space.

The problem I discovered (some time ago) was that
information written to the final partition (and maybe
also the second) would get corrupted very easy.

When I did a rm -rf * on that partition, umounted and
then mounted it again, the filenames would appear
from ls.

Did you test the whole cards, or did you only use the
first 2GiB?

-- Flemming --

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Re: USB cable hacking

2008-08-28 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
On 2008-08-27, Al Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Wednesday 27 August 2008, Daniel Dadap wrote:
  Problem is, the ID pin apparently exists only on the Mini-B connector,
  and doesn't have a corresponding wire inside the USB cable. Has
  anybody on the list done USB connector hacking, and have any tips on
  how to get a resistor in there without interfering with plug in
  operation?

 It's worse than that - the only UK source of mini-B plugs I've found is
 Maplin, and the connector only has 4 solder pads :-( They don't bother
 exposing the ID pin as it's so rarely used. So far as I can tell RS, Farnell,
 Rapid Electronics, CPC don't stock the plugs at all. Has anyone found a
 supplier? It's looking like I'll have to fall back on maplin plus surgery and
 delicate soldering...

You can order them from www.elfa.se (stock # 42-710-11), but the
shipment is very expensive.

http://www1.elfa.se/elfa~eu_en/go.jsp?s=eu-ena=0/4778F92F724F5297E1000A0A036A/4778373A724F5297E1000A0A036A/47783DB1724F5297E1000A0A036A/47783E27724F5297E1000A0A036A

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Re: The GTAs

2008-07-25 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
I can not promise I am correct, but I think this is what have
been told on ml's.

On 2008-07-25, Corey Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Ok.  Now that the FreeRunner is out, I'd like to discuss the GTA03 and
 04. I've been listening to this list for quite some time, and have
 jotted down a few things about the upcoming models.

 Please make sure I have all of this correct.  And if its correct, is it
 all on the Wiki? I can't find mention. thank you. ^-^
It is not on the wiki because things may still change.

 GTA03
 Removed Glamo
 3.5mm audio jack(maybe with some of Joerg's Ideas about stereo line-in)
 based on existing 2442 arm v4 samsung soc
 camera
 different case design than 1973/freerunner
 vga screen
 different battery
 different GSM modem.  (I think 2G/EGDE)
Yes. There will be a new 2.5G GSM  module (2.5G = GSM+EDGE).
Maybe this will solve the issues with newer sim cards.
 USB2.0-OTG
Yes. OM pays a lot for this.

 GTA04
 USB2.0 will be here at the earliest
 different GSM chip than FreeRunner
and maybe a different PMU:)
 I heard something about the samsung 6400 soc. more powerful 2d
 acceleration than Glamo.
 3D?
I am not sure about the 2D/3D. I think it is just some talk - lets wait
and see. It will prob. take a few years until it gets available, and then
hopefully with something newer than 2.5G networks.

Maybe different shape on the device. GTA04 will be a totally redesigned
and improved GTA.

 oh, and GTA03 != Dash Express, right?  a little confusion on that...
 thanks again
GTA03 != Dash Express

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FR and iPhone - how can they be compared?

2008-07-24 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
Today, I read [1]. I also read [2], and it is basically the reasons
there that made me buy the Freerunner some weeks ago (look
at the question part). That, and that it is a cool device to hack
on! (Anyway, the iPhone is big, ugly and with a low res. screen:p)

The Freerunner is doing very well, being recommended by FSF,
OSM, etc, and got a lot of publicity slashdot, linuxdevices.net
and many other places.

Also it is very nice to use as a phone. I use it as my primary
phone, with OM2007.2. As soon as I get some time, I will try
to write some code for it too. There are a few issues, but if
there where nothing to fix, the phone would not be of any
interest to me. In stead of seeing limitations, one should see
potential:) That is the beauty of free software :D

One simple way to make custom hardware, is to add
something to the USB port, since the USB_ID pin is
connected to an ADC. I bought a lot of 5 pin mini USB
plugs, and inside one, you can actually fit a complete
mini circuit.

I have one that works as a flash light, and one for measuring
humidity. I plan to put the sensor inside, once I have written
some code that actually works.

I also ordered a small camera, so I will try to see if it works
out of the box or if some code needs to be rewritten.

The camera I bought does not have the correct electrical
interface, so I need to make an adapter (USB or BT). It is a
wireless cam,  which I will mount on my radio car:) I will add
some hardware and make a simple GTK app, so I can control
the car from my phone (and see the output from the cam). I
hope I ever get the time to do this.

[1]
http://digg.com/linux_unix/5_Questions_Give_Apple_the_iPhone_Challenge_2
[2]
http://static.fsf.org/dbd/iphone-action-handout.pdf

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Re: Operation without battery (GTA02)

2008-07-23 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
On 2008-07-23, Yorick Moko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 i can reproduce 2
 but i won't do it again :)

 On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 10:41 AM, Alexey Feldgendler
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I have two 100% reproducible issues with my GTA02.
 
  1. When running with the battery in (charged enough) and a USB cable
  plugged into a computer, removing the battery makes the phone die. It
  seems to turn off several seconds after the battery is removed. If the
  battery is replaced quickly enough, the phone doesn't turn off. While the
  battery is disconnected, some things still run and some seem to stop; e.g.
  the GPS chip stops sending NMEA sentences but continues doing so when the
  battery is put back.
 
  2. When the phone is off with no battery in it, plugging the USB cable
  connected to a computer makes the phone emit a buzzing noise. The noise
  continues until the cable is disconnected. The phone won't start up in
  this state, not even in the NOR menu. I remember a similar issue in GTA01,
  but GTA02 was supposed to work without a battery.
 
  Can anybody reproduce?
I also tried 2) and can confirm this. It sounds like it tries to power on,
but does not have enough power. I think it is not so strange, since the
charger cannot provide enough current. Remember that the PSU tries
to power on everything at once, so you basically get the spikes from
all the components at once.

I think this was mentioned before. IIRC, the problem is that it is not
possible to tell the PSU not to power on everything at the same time.

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Re: Reason for GPS problems found!

2008-07-20 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 05:03, Yaroslav Halchenko
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 anyone knows if the software patch which was done has any hooks in user
 space so the same procedure (shut off SD while getting FF) could be
 initiated manually (from a script or so)?

The patch works like this:
When I/O to/from the SD - turn on clocking
when no I/O - turn the clocking off

so... do not use the SD card in any way (umount)

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Re: Reason for GPS problems found!

2008-07-18 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
On 2008-07-18, Timo Jyrinki [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 2008/7/18 Timo Jyrinki [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  It seems it's not as good as without SD card, but definitely a visible
  improvement.

 Sorry for spamming, I just try to describe what I'm experiencing :)

 Does anyone else have a reliability problem now with the new kernel
 and GPS when SD card is used? I went properly outside but didn't seem
 to get a fix, maybe 1-2 satellites max and no fixes. I drove around a
 bit and nothing. I came back, then rebooted Neo and tried again -
 almost instant fix in ca. 30-45 seconds with 6-8 satellites in the
 same spot I got nothing just before reboot.

 So it might be worth checking if the SD card clock is properly
 adjusted in all needed cases, or it if might be left unchanged in some
 situations. When I didn't have fixes, it behaved basically as bad as
 before the new kernel. But when the new kernel worked as it should, it
 was great.
If you want to test if the SD card is used, you can patch your kernel
to turn on a LED when the SD clock is active and switch off the LED
when it has been inactive for more than 0.3 sec. It is a good way
to test.

If you do not like the LED idea, you can use
printk(KERN_WARNING, SD_CLK ON);
whenever the SD clock is activated, and
printk(KERN_WARNING, SD_CLK OFF);
when it is disabled. Maybe also add a timestamp.

This way, you will know if the SD card was in use when you tried
to get your fix.

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Re: samba shared access

2008-07-18 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
On 2008-07-18, Giorgio M. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi all,

 have anyone tried to access samba share (located in a PC connected to
 the same LAN as the neo) through the Freerunner (samba client or
 similar)?

 I'd like to access my music, movies, pictures and so on from the
 Freerunner with samba.

I am not sure about samba, but NFS should work:)

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Re: Timezones not used everywhere?

2008-07-18 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
On 2008-07-18, Hans L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 5:11 PM, Olivier Migeot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I'm using an un-crippled (according to the Freerunner Quickstart
  wiki page) GTA02, with factory image (only opkg upgraded tonight). I
  display a digital clock on my home screen, and it also displays the
  date in the bottom. For I'm living in France, I made the
  /etc/localtime symlink to the Europe/Paris tz (GMT +2, these days). So
  far so good, the time and date were both displayed correctly.
 
  And then, maybe an hour or two before midnight (I couldn't guess so I
  didn't check precisely, but I will next time), as hours/minutes stayed
  correct, the date field went wrong. Well, not exactly wrong, but
  tomorrow. Like few hours too soon. Sounds to me like the date
  field is using universal time when it should not, but I can be wrong.
 
  Any idea/insight on this?
 
  Thanks alot... I hope it was clear, for it's already time to sleep here.
 
 Does openmoko get any time/date information from the cell towers?
 With previous phones I have owned, I don't remember ever having to set
 a timezone.  And when traveling across timezones, it seems to
 automatically pick up the change from the cell phone towers.  Is there
 a way we can make openmoko retrieve this information itself, so it
 never requires any manual configuration?

We can detect the network and look it up in a list and map it to a country:)

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Re: Operation without battery (GTA02)

2008-07-17 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
On 2008-07-18, Thomas Seiler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  | What's the advantage of enabling the charger?
 
  Well without it literally it won't charge the battery from USB power.
  It's fine to enable it except when it notices there is no battery there
  for some reason.

 Question: Would it help to query the ADC and check for some battery voltage
 prior to enabling the charger help to keep the Freerunner switched on
 in this case?

No. We need the battery to power on, and then the ADC check would
let us enable the charger.

What we need to do, is detect when the battery is removed, and then
disable the charger until a battery is reinserted

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Re: GPS problems, summary

2008-07-16 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
On 2008-07-16, Joerg Reisenweber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Am Mi  16. Juli 2008 schrieb Yorick Moko:
  no fault or wrong conclusion but I just want to add that Andy also
  made a patch to crank up the voltage a bit for the GPS unit
 
 Yep, but this one didn't help at all it seems.

 One flaw in OP's summary: the recent andy-sd_clock-patch doesn't block sd-card
 for benefit of GPS FF. It simply switches off clock of sdcard as long as we
 don't read from it (or write). So you still can spoil TTFF by *constantly*
 reading from SDcard, but GPS seems to be fine as long as you don't do this.
 Stopping sd-access during TTFF is a userland issue. Kernel mustn't block
 sd-reads for extended periods, we might see all kinds of deadlocks if we did
 it this way. For sure answering an inbound call is higher priority than
 shortest possible time for this particular FF, no? So maybe you have your
 ringtones on sd. U see?

 rootfs on sdcard might be an issue, we (community?) should give this one a
 test
I think the Freerunner has enough RAM to actually make that possible
(ringtones and etc. may be stored in tmpfs) :)

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Re: Reason for GPS problems found!

2008-07-15 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
On 2008-07-15, Joerg Reisenweber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Am Di  15. Juli 2008 schrieb Jonathan Spooner:
[...]
  Perhaps those complaining are those who can least afford to
  blow $399.
 That's why I say I don't like those people. They never noticed the bug, and
 when we are about to discuss it and to offer a solution they start
 whining. OOOh, the BAD bug. If only I never had bought...
 Instead of plain asking what we're going to do to MAKE EVERYBODY HAPPY again.
 (what we are already about to do!)
 /jOERG

This GPS problem shows a lot about the community vs openmoko.
Some try to help (developers?)
Some complain (regular users?)

But what is really amazing is that a fix is almost ready right after
the problem was addressed:)

People with a working GPS without SD card, will soon have a
working GPS no matter what. They should be extremely happy,
not complain.

On some phones, the GPS does not work without the SD card
and I am afraid there will be no software work-around for that.
The good thing is that this HW bug is only on a few of the phones.

I respect Openmoko and I know they do their very best to solve
these issues. It is better to let them work with solutions than to
complain.

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Protective rubber

2008-07-14 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
A few weeks ago, I came across this pictures:
http://www.openmoko.com/opportunities-universities-update.html

Is this only a drawing or can it be ordered from somewhere?
We are a local group of more than 40 members, and most of
us would like one of these.

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Re: incorrect shipment type?

2008-07-14 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
On 2008-07-11, Yaroslav Halchenko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi All,

 Sorry for distracting you away from playing with FRs, but wanted to
 share experience our bulk order (order #2267) is going through: although
 we ordered it with 2nd-day air it got shipped Ground, thus instead of 2
 days we have to expect it in 1 week. I am not sure if anything could be
 done at this point, although seller could utilize UPS delivery intercept
 http://www.ups.com/content/us/en/tracking/help/delivery/delivery_intercept.html?WT.svl=SubNav
 and just make package go back to warehouse, meanwhile sending us our
 loong-awaited FRs with 2nd day air as it was requested. But humans @ FIC
 are overwhelmed now thus not replying to any inquiries on the phone or
 email. sad sad ...

Don't you overreact? I think a few extra days will not kill you.
I understand you want them ASAP, but it is prob. too late to
change anything now.

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Re: incorrect shipment type?

2008-07-14 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
On 2008-07-15, ian douglas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Flemming Richter Mikkelsen wrote:
  On 2008-07-11, Yaroslav Halchenko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  we ordered it with 2nd-day air it got shipped Ground, thus instead of 2
  days we have to expect it in 1 week.
 
  Don't you overreact? I think a few extra days will not kill you.
  I understand you want them ASAP, but it is prob. too late to
  change anything now.


 There's also the matter of being *charged* for 2nd day air shipment and
 getting ground shipment... and getting the shipping difference refunded.

Yes. That is true. Express shipment is expensive.

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Re: humor

2008-06-27 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
http://xkcd.org/440/ describes a use case for the neo:)

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Re: Fast questions about GTA03

2008-06-27 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
On 2008-06-27, Francesco Cat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 As I have understood from past ML, the GTA03 will be the enhanced vers
 of FreeRunner. I think a lot of undecided people like me would like
 clarification about what the GTA03 might be.
 Very fast and simple questions:
 -do we have a rough estimation for when the GTA03 will be out?
Some guess it will be out around Christmas.
 -the issue with slow bus for Glamo is gonna be resolved by changing
 the bus or eliminating the Glamo?
Yes:)
 -will usb still be 1.1?
Yes
 -will the price be different? If it is gonna change, some kind of
 estimation would be nice.

 Also, if there are important things I'm missing reply and add, thanks :)
There will be minimal changes:
 - new battery
 - new GSM module which supports EDGE
 - mini jack instead of micro jack
 - no glamo - much better for video playback, etc.
 - new case (might include a holder for a plastic stylus)
 - the rest of the phone will stay unchanged in order to
   save costs.

All this information has at some point been written on
the mailing list. It is important to say that THINGS
CHANGE FAST. So there is no garatee that this is
correct. It was only ideas, but I guess they are very
likely to be true.

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Re: Fast questions about GTA03

2008-06-27 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
On 2008-06-27, Francesco Cat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Lol, xmas is too far away :D I'm gonna buy this one I think...
 Hopefully the Glamo will allow for media to stream regularly, they
 would have removed there was no way to have a 25 FPS video I think.
Actually, video will go better without the glamo because the bus
will be faster. Anyway, 2D works well with the glamo and the
chip is not that bad.

Some pros. with having the glamo:
 - HW scaling and 2D rotation (this is cool)
 - 2D acceleration (this is also cool)

Some cons.:
 - Power (80mW?)
 - Bus limit
 - Not open (e.g. no 3D, etc)

So if you do not want to view a lot of videos, the
glamo is a good thing (fast zooming of web pages,
etc).

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Re: humor

2008-06-27 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
On 2008-06-27, Hans L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 2:49 AM, Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  http://xkcd.org/440/ describes a use case for the neo:)

 Is it possible to use the WiFi in the FreeRunner as an access point?
I think the WiFi chip does not support AP mode.

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Re: Let us impact the material world

2008-06-27 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
On 2008-06-27, Sean Moss-Pultz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[snip]
 Whenever I talk publicly about Openmoko, or so it seems, the following
 question is asked: How can you compete again the giants of this
 industry? For most of us, I'd like to think, the answer is obvious.
 Instead of answering, I usually return their question: How can they
 compete against us?
[snap]

You really know how to express yourself:)

I cannot see how other phone companies can be compared.
What I like so much about Openmoko, is that I am a part of it - that
it is (also) my project.

Openmoko will have success because they work very much for it.
The community will help making the software and come up with
ideas (by nagging or spamming the mailing list :) and you will
take the best ideas and make them real.

Keep making attractive hardware and the community will grow
and make the software needed:)

I hope Openmoko will be big enough to be able to force the
hardware manufactures into GPL. Maybe they realize that GPL
is not that bad, and that propritary drivers is far more expensive
(in support for all their customers).

We are all living on the same dream: the freedom to use the
hardware we own in the way we want. Openmoko is making
that dream come true.

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Re: FreeRunner Quick Start User Guide

2008-06-26 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
It looks very nice!
Great job:)

On 2008-06-26, BrendaWang [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Here is the getting start guide from wiki.

 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo_FreeRunner


 Shakthi Kannan 提到:
  Hi!
 
  --- On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 7:59 PM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  | One comment on Chapter 7:
  | Currently, the utility dfu_util is only provided for Linux. Support for
  | dfu_util under Windows and Macintosh will be provided at a later date.
  |
  | That is not accurate (at least for OSX). See:
  | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MacOS_X
  | There is also an Openmoko Flasher tool for the Macintosh since August 
  2007.
  \--
 
  Thanks! Updated the documentation.
 
  The wiki documentation is comprehensive, and I feel just pointers to
  links and necessary documentation to get people started should be kept
  in this Quick Start User Guide. The User Manual can contain the
  complete documentation available in the wiki.
 
  Just my thoughts,
 
  SK
 
 


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Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?

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FR with embedded projector and LASER keyboard

2008-06-26 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
http://koolu.com/WE-Phone/GET-YOUR-FREE-W.E.-SMART-PHONE.html
The current generation of the phone does not include the laser
keyboard or built in projector. The Laser keyboard is sold separatey.
The next generation of the phone will incorporate the laser keyboard
and tiny LED projector built in.

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Re: FreeRunner Quick Start User Guide

2008-06-26 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
On 2008-06-26, arne anka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Hi Arne:
 
  you mean, one can flash the om from an sd card, too?
  or after booting up from sd card as described above one still needs to
  connect to a computer?
 
  Yes, direct flash from SD card without USB.

 that's pretty nice -- though i cannot imagine how one would corrupt one's
 om into the need of reflashing while on the road :-)
Well, lets say you don't have a computer. You could then
still update u-boot:)

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Re: Vote! Zimbra Mobile on the Openmoko

2008-06-24 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
On 2008-06-24, Marc-Olivier Barre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 5:05 PM, Joseph Reeves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Dear all,
 
  I'd like to bring this poll to your attention:
 
  http://www.zimbra.com/forums/zimbrame-j2me-client/12642-vote-phones-zimbra-j2me-client.html
 
  For those that don't know, Zimbra is an awesome email/collaboration
  suite, they're asking for people to vote on the next mobile platform
  that their client will be released on. Zimbra on a FreeRunner would be
  a Blackberry killer. I've put up a short blog post here:
 
  http://blogs.thehumanjourney.net/finds/entry/20080623

 I have a few doubts:

 1. Is this FLOSS ?
I think it is not FLOSS:(

 2. Can't we have anything less CPU hungry than java ?
I hope there will be many alternatives. Voting for this will
only increase the amount of available apps for the FR. It
will not make it the default mail client.

Also, voting for this, will make more people aware of OM
and more people = more developers = more alternatives:)

I do not want J2ME on my phone and I do not want to
run anything except FOSS on it. Still, I think voting will
not hurt. A popular phone is a phone which brings
freedom and opportunities to its users.

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Re: Can the Freerunner now be charged with 1 or with 2 Amp ?

2008-06-24 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
On 2008-06-24, kazaam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hello,
 I'm a bit confused. I thought the max. would be
 1 Amp the Freerunner can be charged. But on
 pulster.de which are selling the offical
 usb-charger for the freerunner is written that it
 can be charged with 2 Amp:
 http://pulster.de/d__omnetz__Openmoko_Freerunner_Netzteil993.htm
 . What's now the correct value?

The charger can provide 2A. The FR can
charge in slow mode (100mA), normal mode
(500mA) and fast charge (750mA? and 1A).
I never read anything about charging with 2A.

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Re: humor

2008-06-23 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
http://www.xkcd.com/433/

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Re: Neo Freerunner Group Purchases - USA

2008-06-23 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
On 2008-06-23, Seattle Web Creations, LLC [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I haven't seen any information regarding the details of how the groups are
 to make the purchases of the Neo Freerunner. I've been told by someone in
 the #openmoko IRC channel that there is currently or that there will be an
 actual distributor in the USA for the 10 pack purchases. Is this true?
Openmoko will distribute around the US. I am not sure if there will be
any extra distributors there.

 Also, I've yet to see any information pertaining to the preferred method of
 purchasing by groups. I assume that they/we must make our own arrangements,
 entrusting 1 individual to make the purchase?
One person must make the order (and pay).

 One last question is – is the ordering (in the USA) going to be available
 once the Freerunners are already stateside or is it going to be required
 that the orders are placed before they actually ship?
The Freerunners are expected to arrive to Freemount by the 1. of July.
The web shop will open 4th July. This was posted by Steve a week ago.

 Myself and others would greatly appreciate any information!
 --
 Gino O'Donnell / Director
 Seattle Web Creations, LLC

-=Flemming=-

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Re: moko running everything as root

2008-06-18 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
When I think about it, I realize that it is important
that the device is secure to use on a network.
Someday the Openmoko devices will support stuff
like flash, java, java script and much more. When
this device connects to the Internet, and the client
on the device runs as an unprivileged user, the
security risks are dramatically reduced.

The users data can be devided into two categories:
normal and sensitive. The sensitive data can be
protected in some way (only accessable to the
superuser or on an encrypted place).

What about the 4 users model:
root:
 - only for root stuff
superuser:
 - for accessing sensitive/personal data
 - may be encrypted
normal:
 - the normal user mode
nobody:
 - restricted
 - cannot run sudo
 - can not do any harm to the system
 - no direct hardware access
 - can not access sensitive data
 - should be used for untrusted things
(games  network)

If the device owner wants less security, it is
just to log in as superuser or even root.

With this kind of setup, the freedom of choice
belongs to the user.

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Re: moko running everything as root

2008-06-15 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
On Sun, Jun 15, 2008 at 9:15 PM, arne anka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 well, let's say we disagree in the classification of the om -- i think
 it's a very powerfull mobile computer and thus should follow basically the
 same idea of security.
 the user's data can be backed up and thus restored if compromised or
 destroyed.
 the system itself may causes severe loss of money if compromised: sending
 sms, calling those value-added numbers (what's the proper term in
 english?), creating internet connections (and maybe sending spam).
 accessing your pc if you connect to it to sync or so may corrupt your
 computer (take a known vulnerabilty, create an exploit and put it on the
 om -- if connected to your pc it could infiltrate).

 imho the om does not match the criteria of mobile world you're applying
 -- but that's just it: my opinion. maybe it changes once i get my paws on
 a real freerunner ;-)

On my laptop, I can choose if I want to run SE Linux or not.
I think that the at least one image should run default with a
non-root user and everything in /etc/sudoers. This way,
people can uncomment inside that file and apply the
security they like.

The reason is that some people will use it as a phone,
while other people might even use it without a sim.
That means we may need different security policies.

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Re: moko running everything as root

2008-06-13 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
On 6/13/08, Robert Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Peter Nijs wrote:
  no problems. what i don't want is people to get their hopes up. this was in
  the context of people asking if they can play vga video and me going good
  luck!. there is reality - and you can sit and hack away spend lots of time
  and get 1 case to work, and work well. as i said - it will depend on codec,
  bitrate, quality etc. mpeg4 decode in hw is great - but remember it is also
  limiting to just mp4 - all your mpeg1, ogg, etc. videos will not work. also
  as long as mplayer is accessing glamo hardware it must run as root.
  admittedly we run everything as root - but come the day when we don't...
  this is trouble.
 
 
 Hi.

 Can someone clear up for me why everything runs as root?  When I heard
 the iPhone ran everything as root I kinda sneered at it but now I can't
 be so smug.

 What are the engineering reasons for this?
The reason is that the user normally wants to run a lot of root applications
such as rdate, power off, opkg, etc. Of course this should be solved, but it
should not be a top priority.

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Re: GTA03: New case? Bigger screen!

2008-06-13 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
On 6/12/08, Kevin Dean [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 4:43 PM, Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  And I want it half the size:)
  A tiny, nice phone with QVGA, not a notebook. If you want the double size,
  why not just buy an eeepc?

 As the resident Devil's Advocate, I agree here.

 Lemme state this - I paid for a 1973 and Openmoko Inc. sent me a
 Freerunner to review the software progress. The next phone I spend my
 money on will have 3G (or better). If 03 isn't that device, simply
 ignore my post. :)

I understand you very well:)
There will most likely not be 3G in GTA03, but hopefully in GTA04.
I never had a GTA01, so I buy GTA02 now, and upgrade when the
3G capable device is ready.

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docking station/game pad

2008-06-12 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
Just found this.
http://brando.com.hk/prod_detail.php?prod_id=01384dept_id=057cat_id=299
-- 
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Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?

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Re: Openmoko official resell partners

2008-06-11 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
On 6/11/08, Kyle Gordon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Harry Tsai wrote:
 
  UK
  TrueBox Technologies - http://www.TrueBox.co.uk  Mr. Rob wood
 £272 delivered to anywhere in the UK...

 http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-April/015080.html
 says it's $399, from the US presumably. At the current exchange rate
 that's £203... I think I can get it shipped across from the US for less
 than £70

If that price include VAT, it is not that bad.

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Re: GTA03: New case? Bigger screen!

2008-06-10 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
On 6/10/08, Robert Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Ortwin Regel wrote:
  There has been all this fruitless talk about resolution. Well, what is
  really limiting the Neo's screen right now is not resolution
  (obviously), not speed (at least not on the GTA01, no idea how messed
  up the 02 situation is. I'd guess it's faster most of the time.) but
  size! If the GTA03 get's a new case design, please consider making the
  screen twice as big! Then we are finally at a size were
  two-thumb-typing starts to make sense and even people with bad eye
  sight can benefit from the high resolution (although I'm not convinced
  that second point is a positive one... _). The device wouldn't even
  have to be bigger for this because so much space was wasted in the
  original Neo design. The only handheld I have owned where the screen
  could be called big enough was the Tapwave Zodiac (RIP). If you shave
  off the gaming controls and make it a little thicker, you get a very
  decent phone.
  Also, I suggest concentrating more on the horizontal usage. For
  example, bring the stereo speakers back but add one below and one
  above the display so that they are left and right in landscape. You
  can get a pretty good stereo effect at that distance.

And I want it half the size:)
A tiny, nice phone with QVGA, not a notebook. If you want the double size,
why not just buy an eeepc?

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Re: comparing Apples and Oranges $199 iPhone Freerunner GTA02

2008-06-10 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
On 6/10/08, Ron K. Jeffries [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[...]
 the two smart phones are aprox equal on
 -- wi-fi
But with limited usability on iPhone
 -- accelerometer
But with limited usability on iPhone
 -- bluetooth
But with limited usability on iPhone

E.g. you cannot use VoIP with iPhone, etc, etc

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Re: QVGA V/s VGA for GTA03 (was something about yummy CPU-GPU combos!)

2008-06-10 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
On 6/10/08, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Mon, 9 Jun 2008 19:10:22 +0200 Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:

  On 6/9/08, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  [...]
   an 80x24 terminal is possible to make it readable @ qvga - if we allow
   scrolling. (and possible in landscape with an ultra-tiny 4-pixel wide 
   font -
   possible (3 pixels for text, 1 for space). not very nice though.
 
  How can u separate @, #, $, S, %, æ, ø, o, etc,  when only using 3 pixels?
  5 pix + 1 pix space is a minimum for good reading, unless some chars
  take more space than others.

 you make little shapeless blobs of the chars :) you can tell the difference
 (though it's a terminal - if you start going into intl. chars like æ etc. imho
 you are exiting the vt100 world - you could argue that you can't read 魚 in a
 3 pixel (+ 1 space) font either... so i draw the line at basic ascii for a
 terminal.

Well, 'æ' can be converted to 'ae' :)

 nb - your chars just become tall (3x7). eg:

 %

 #
  #
  #
 #
  #


 S

  ##
 #
  #
  #
 ##

 s


  ##
 ##
  ##
 ##

 $
  #
  ##
 ##
  #
  ##
 ##
  #
 @
  ##
 # #
 ###
 ###
 ###
 #
  ##
 #
 # #
 # #
 ###
 # #
 ###
 # #
 # #
 o


  #
 # #
 # #
  #

Thanks:)

I tried to zoom this down (font size 4) and it was not that bad. But I
think this needs a little getting used to.

Anyway, I am not against QVGA as long as this can increase the
battery time and decrease the phone size over time (to something
no bigger than a credit card:).

So everyone has their own idea of how it should be. This is good,
but not every wishes can come true. But please have a look at
the neonode [1]. It runs windows mobile. It is terrible as it suffers
with a lot of bugs, but looks cool on the video.
It has a 2,0 LCD @ 176x220 pixels.

[1] http://www.neonode.com/en-us/products/n2/introduction/watch-the-video/
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Re: QVGA V/s VGA for GTA03 (was something about yummy CPU-GPU combos!)

2008-06-10 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
On 6/10/08, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 18:01:03 +0530 rakshat hooja [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 babbled:

  
  
  
   as i have said before - gta03 is vga - as it stands, but can go to qvga
   easily,
   but is unlikely to. in the future who knows. it'd be a tradeoff of screen
   pixel
   count vs processor speed vs any graphics acceleration we can get - if any.
  
   --
   Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  
   Hi Carsten,
 
  There was a WQVGA screen you once mentioned on the IRC and said you liked a
  lot for the GTA04 screen. I can't remember the specs right now but do you
  remember which one it was?

 3 480x272. it's thinner than the current vga 2.8 by a fair bit and a tiny 
 bit
 longer (as it is wide). it seems almost the perfect screen for a
 smaller/slimmer model like gta04/05 etc. same # of pixels as the PSP screen,
 but in a much smaller space.
Nice! So the phones will be smaller:)

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Re: QVGA V/s VGA for GTA03 (was something about yummy CPU-GPU combos!)

2008-06-10 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
On 6/10/08, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 15:53:49 +0300 Dotan Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:

  2008/6/10 The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
   2008/6/9 The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
an 80x24 terminal is possible to make it readable @ qvga - if we allow
scrolling. (and possible in landscape with an ultra-tiny 4-pixel wide
font - possible (3 pixels for text, 1 for space). not very nice though.
  
   That is unusable. I'm sorry, I will not force myself to use that. I
   will buy something else. Using the terminal on a remote machine with a
   4 pixels font is possibile like it is possible to eat cockroaches for
   lunch everyday. There are some 'can get by' that I will not force
   myself to get by with.
  
   have you done it? have you tried it? i have. it works ok. not beautiful -
   but definitely functional.
  
 
  No, I haven't. Could you post a screenshot of how it looks? Maybe if I
  see it I can be convinced, I'm at least that open minded.

 can't as i did it years ago on my ipaq. but it's the same font as here:

 http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~fine/Tech/x11fonts.html

 see the 4x8 font at the top. bdf downloadable and usable.
Wow! That is amazing! Now I am 100% convinced that QVGA is not
that bad:) I could read it without any problems.

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Re: QVGA V/s VGA for GTA03 (was something about yummy CPU-GPU combos!)

2008-06-09 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
On 6/9/08, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[...]
 an 80x24 terminal is possible to make it readable @ qvga - if we allow
 scrolling. (and possible in landscape with an ultra-tiny 4-pixel wide font -
 possible (3 pixels for text, 1 for space). not very nice though.

How can u separate @, #, $, S, %, æ, ø, o, etc,  when only using 3 pixels?
5 pix + 1 pix space is a minimum for good reading, unless some chars
take more space than others.

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Re: GTA03 case should incorporate stylus holder

2008-06-09 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
On 6/9/08, Chris Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[...]
 Though if people want a stylus holder, how hard would it be to design
 one that clips onto a Freerunner?
Normal cable clips?
  http://www.euroffice.co.uk/_image/item/_large/145723_0.jpg
  http://www.skandia.com.au/images/059es.jpg
  http://www.zipper-technik.de/bilder/sb.serie.gif
  http://www.internet-stationers.co.uk/Shop/istationers_shop/images/BL12601.jpg

But I prefer attaching it to a wire which is mounted in the phone. That
way, it will be faster available:)

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transflective QVGA

2008-06-09 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
Sanyo Epson Transflective LTPS LCD display : Sanyo
Epson Imaging Devices Corporation (Sanyo Epson)
announced the development of a 2.8-inch transflective
low-temperature polysilicon liquid-crystal display (LCD)
with pixel-integrated RAM that offers low power
consumption.

http://www.letsgodigital.org/en/7/sanyo_epson_lcd_display/

And I guess they are not alone. It will be a long time
until the price makes any sense, but it is nice
technology:) Maybe something for GTA05.

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Re: Is case design changing for GTA03?

2008-06-09 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
On 6/9/08, Dotan Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 2008/6/9 Robert Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  With a modular design like that, then you could have one device shipped
  out with many configurations possible.
 
  You could then buy the external case for playing games, one with a
  keyboard, etc.
 
  That would really set it appart.
 
  So how about thinking of th 03 and onward in such a modular way?
 
  Oh, my vote is for usb.
 

 I would also vote for a USB connection. Easier to set up, and the
 peripheral can take power from the phone.

It is good that the Y cable is invented:)

I hope a case like this will be available!

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Re: QVGA V/s VGA for GTA03 (was something about yummy CPU-GPU combos!)

2008-06-08 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
On Sun, Jun 8, 2008 at 11:57 AM, polz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 IMHO, if the 320x240 display is readable under bright sunlight, it might be a
 better choice than the VGA display used in the GTA01. With the current
 display, the phone looks great inside a building / conference hall / photo
 studio, but it's pretty much useless as a GPS device you'd want to use when
 you're outside.

 Before releasing a phone for the general public, pleasepleaseplease use it as
 your only phone for a week or so. Otherwise, the negative reaction from the
 press might cost you your reputation.

Full ACK! Trasflective QVGA is better

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Re: Shipping details

2008-06-07 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 8:25 AM, Simon Matthews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi Steve,
I am not Steve. Not even close (not )

 Firstly i would like to thank you and everyone at Openmoko for being so open
 about the production process. As one who has been involved with the design,
 manufacture and sales of electronic products for many years i know how
 complex and frustrating it is to get product out the door, with Murphy's law
 waiting at every turn!

 It is a real breath of fresh air, especially in an industry which is getting
 more and more closed and hard to deal with unless you are talking in 100K+
 quantities.

 Now back to some of those frustrating details. So we can finalise our group
 buy details could you please enlighten us on the following.

 What courier companies/the postal service and shipping options (express
 versus normal etc) will you be using to ship the phones (only UPS or others
 as well?)
This info will be available in the shop. There you can select TRIsoft
and OM a.o.
and the shipping price will be available.

 Will you be offering the option of having the shipments insured? Do you know
 how much the insurance will cost. I can't find much information on the UPS
 web site on insurance.
UPS takes 1% of the insured value if the shipment is insured.
(DHL take 2%)

 What payment options will you have.
At least Visa and not paypal, iirc.

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Re: resolution preferences??

2008-06-06 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
On 6/6/08, NeilBrown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Fri, June 6, 2008 3:39 pm, Carsten Haitzler wrote:

  we can just drive the vga screen at qvga. no need for scaling - just
  change the
  output at the lcd controller level. but it is a waste to pay for a vga
  screen
  when we won't use it. also it does look blocky. it isn't about glamo or
  not -
  it's separate to glamo entirely. simply - how important is a vga screen...
  really? how many people out there can really see the difference? be really
  honest. stop thinking my specs are bigger than your specs. scan u REALLY
  see
  all the pixels on a vga screen of that size. i bet to most people its all
  a
  blur - a qvga screen looks identical to them. only to a minority who have
  very
  good eyesight does it really make a difference, but this is just my bet.
  i'm
  asking the question - and hoping for real honest answers.

 Well, it's hard to know without having an actual device to look at, but
 I'll try

 My notebook has a 15 inch 1920x1200 monitor which comes to 147dpi.
 The Freerunner is 285dpi, the pixels are very close to half the width/
 height of my pixels.

 So at first I thought wow, that's tiny.  I don't think I need them *that*
 small - and I have better than average eye sight.

 Then I resized my browser to 640x480 and found I could read it quite
 well, though lots of web pages don't quite fit.
 I took a screenshot of the window and displayed it at 50% in the GIMP.
 So presumably that is how the image could look on the Freerunner.

No. Now you need to zoom 2x. Then compare the original with this.
They should occupy the same amount of space on your screen, but
the QVGA should only have half the pixels.

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Re: Debug Board v3 (GTA02) now available

2008-06-06 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
On 6/6/08, Michele Renda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Ilja O. wrote:
  On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 1:52 PM, Christoph Pulster [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Hello community,
 
  may I add that I have the debug board now in my shop:
  http://www.pulster.de/engl/
  index.html?d__omdebug__Openmoko_Debug_Board_Version_v3747.htm
 
  It's version 3 belonging to GTA02 Freerunner...
 
 
  EUR 149.00
 
  Are you sure that that's not misprint?
  (Just a bit bigger extra charge when comparing with Freerunner, afaicu)

 Hi,
 I don't think that is an error: also if Openmoko sell it at 99$, it must
 to arrive in europe, than you must to add VAT (20% ?) that you have to
 add environmental taxes, and to add warranty (1 year at least).

 So is very possible it cost so. And in every case it cost less that all
 the debug board I never saw :)

Do not confuse USD with EUR.
 $99 ==  €61
€149 == $238

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Re: QVGA V/s VGA for GTA03 (was something about yummy CPU-GPU combos!)

2008-06-06 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
On 6/6/08, Tom Cooksey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Friday 06 June 2008 09:45:29 Carsten Haitzler wrote:
  the problem is - if you have a nice screen but the engine to power it is
  underpowered, you will suffer from complaints of it just being slow then
  instead.

 I'd like to wave the little please can we have a decent SoC flag again. 
 Yes, the CPU
 is too slow to drive VGA... but don't fix the problem by putting a lower-spec 
 LCD in,
 fix the _real_ issue - The CPU is too slooow!

 I assume you're concidering a new LCD for the GTA03? Fine, but if you're 
 going for a
 revamp on the GTA04, stick the VGA display back in and give us (well, sell 
 us) a SoC with
 some real graphics grunt. And I'm not talking about the Samsung s3c6400 - it 
 is still
 way too underpowered. Maybe s3c6410 which seems to have a programmable 3D
 pipeline Go on, you know you want to... Pixel shaders...  Compiz on a 
 phone...
 windows which cast real, pixel-perfect soft shadows... Think what we could do 
 with it!
 An entirely clutter (http://www.clutter-project.org/blog/) based UI! It's 
 _worth_ a binary
 blob driver. Who knows, maybe samsung will even let you write an open source 
 driver?
 (Don't think the s3c6410's 3D core is a PowerVR, seems to be something 
 different?)

That was what I hoped for when I desided to not buy GTA01 and wait for
GTA02.

If it was me, I would:

Create an amazing phone (GTA04) - price is less important. People would
still buy if the hardware is good enough, and people spend increasingly
amounts of money on their phones. Add 3g and make sure it can do quad
band GSM. Also make sure it can play videos fast. Maybe integrate a
low MEMS camera and a little flash light. Consider a transflective VGA
LCM.

Also create a low price phone. One with only the basic HW and a QVGA,
but no wifi, but with an inexpensive MEMS camera.

When it comes to GTA03, I will not buy one (because I buy the GTA02),
so I will not be the target. Maybe QVGA is a good solution, or maybe it
should be an option when you buy

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Re: GTA03 case should incorporate stylus holder

2008-06-06 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
On 6/6/08, steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Stroller you crack me up. (vi rules.)

 We need a religious war between the Digitii, the Stylii, and Quertii.

 Or three products?

 Rant away.  Your views are always welcome.
Stylus:) I hate those big keypads and I need to use the terminal a lot

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Re: Yummy new CPU/GPU combo

2008-06-05 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
On 6/5/08, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Thursday 05 June 2008 18:05:47 Mark wrote:
  Robert Schuster theBohemian at gmx.net wrote on Tue Jun 3 18:10:18 CEST
  2008
 
  Hi.
  
  flexd schrieb:
   Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) skrev:
   On Mon, 2 Jun 2008 23:12:30 -0400 Lally Singh lally.singh at
   gmail.com babbled:
  
   the day nvidia comes with open drivers for this... we can begin to take
   an interest :)
  
   To be honest, (i myself do not really care if the drivers are open or
   not, i do not have the require level of geekyness to change them :p) i
   couldnt care less if the drivers are open or not.
  There are many reasons to have FOSS drivers. The ability for non-kernel
  non-gfx people to change them is very low priority. But the kernel and
  gfx people care much more.
  
   Aslong as we/someone could run a opensource OS on it, such as OM, i'd
   love it!
  
  Yeah and for this a free/open driver is a precondition.
  
  Regards
  Robert
 
  If that were true, the Neo/Freerunner wouldn't exist. It's quite
  obvious that for the foreseeable future some compromises are
  unavoidable if you want a usable, worthwhile device.

 Not at all obvious to me.

 :M:

I agree with Michael. The only reason I want a Freerunner, is because
it is open.

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Re: What will be shipped with FreeRunner?

2008-06-02 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 5:17 PM, Alexander Frøyseth
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hello
 What is going to be shipped with the FreeRunner, in single and 10 packs
 Are the headset in the box?

If you check the mailing list you will find out that the headset,
stylus and neo punch is not part of the box. They will be shipped
first groups (10 packs).

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Re: screen protector

2008-05-30 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
On 5/29/08, Marco Trevisan (Treviño) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Ian Darwin wrote:
  If anybody feels the need to use a screen protector, I just tried one
 called NavProtector that I got for a few bucks on eBay, and it fits nicely
 (cut about 1mm shorter than the screen, so check before you stick! and maybe
 center it).
 

 Good. I've already asked on this list [1] about the real screen size of the
 Freerunner (better if in mm) to get a Brando one (I've heard they're the
 best ones), but I got no answer. :(

I want a film with life time warranty, which I can take off and clean.
A simple googling for screen protector gave me a lot of options. I
know that a long lasting, high quality protective film is thicker than
the cheaper ones. This make me worry that they might not have a
good conductivity, which is nessecary since the Freerunner has a
resistive touch screen.

For this reason, I think it would be useful to ask people that have
tested such films, how they actually work. Assuming that GTA02
uses the same touch screen as GTA01, I think there must be
someone that has tried this.

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Re: screen protector

2008-05-30 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
On 5/30/08, Andy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
 Hash: SHA1

 Somebody in the thread at some point said:

 | the cheaper ones. This make me worry that they might not have a
 | good conductivity, which is nessecary since the Freerunner has a
 | resistive touch screen.

 I don't think this is a worry, I just tried it through three sheets of
 A4 paper, it's fine.  The resistive part is on the inside of the film,
 not the outside.

 - -Andy

Thanks, Andy.
Then I will just order a few samples and report back which ones I
prefer.

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Re: 2.5mm or 3.5mm

2008-05-30 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
On 5/30/08, Joerg Reisenweber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi community!
 A short poll: on a future GTA0x (2), would you prefer to have
 A) standard 2.5mm headset (mic+phones) connector, where you have to buy a
 cheap adapter if you want to use your old headphones, (the way like it's
 for GTA01/02)
 or
 B) classic 3.5mm headphones Walkman(R) connector, where you have to DIY an
 adapter for any standard cellphone headset? (or does anybody know of 3.5mm
 headSET standards or adapters?)


 please hurry to vote, we have to make a decision. Thanks

 cheers
 jOERG
 Openmoko-HW-development

A!!! And please also provide the adapter:)

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Re: My second battery life test with the freerunner in standby

2008-05-29 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
On 5/28/08, einstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi,

 the day is over an the freerunner turns off after 16hours. I charged it
 over night, 7 hours long. So i only turn on the gsm. I don't use the
 Freerunner often. A short gps session of 15min an some sms, one short
 call, one missed call! And in the afternoon i wake up the freerunner
 every 30min to check the state of the device.

 I am supriesed of this. yesterday i think 14 hours are possible.

 Well, i think all the developers do a great job, and there are many
 opertunitys for more standby time.

 So now i go to bed, in 7 hours my night is over.


Great job.

Can you say what the reasons are for the improved time?
Was the system running at 400 MHz at all time?
Which image did you use?

Keep up the good work:)

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Re: screen protector

2008-05-29 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
On 5/29/08, Marco Trevisan (Treviño) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Ian Darwin wrote:
  If anybody feels the need to use a screen protector, I just tried one
 called NavProtector that I got for a few bucks on eBay, and it fits nicely
 (cut about 1mm shorter than the screen, so check before you stick! and maybe
 center it).
 

 Good. I've already asked on this list [1] about the real screen size of the
 Freerunner (better if in mm) to get a Brando one (I've heard they're the
 best ones), but I got no answer. :(

 Anyway I don't exactly know the size of the Freerunner LCD; I've heard it's
 46mm x 61mm, right?

 Please you or any FR owner could help me? I'd like to buy one before than
 the phone itself :P

I got this info from the wiki [1]:

LCD Module (LCM)
Resistance type touch panel.
2.8 diagonal (1.7 x 2.27 - 43mm x 58mm)
Outline Dimension [2]: 43.2mm x 63.3mm x 1.9mm

[1] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_GTA02_Hardware
[2] http://www.tpo.biz/ENG/business-eng/Activer-Matrix-VGA.htm

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Re: Will GTK be used in Openmoko? (was: Re: Software Status Update)

2008-05-15 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
On 5/15/08, Flemming Richter Mikkelsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 People that want to use Qt prob. prefer Qtopia over OM, so I think GTK is
 the only correct thing.

Just a comment on what I wrote:
I think people should use what they like, but that if anything should be
official, it should be GTK+.

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Re: Idea: Wake me during light sleep

2008-05-14 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
On 3/12/07, Bartlomiej Zdanowski AutoGuard Ltd.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi.

 Ole Tange napisał(a):
 If you are woken during periods of light sleep then you will feel more
 rested than if you are woken during deep sleep.

 To reliably identify when you are sleeping lightly we will need EEG.
 In a real life scenario that is not possible and it may be OK if the
 identification is not completely reliable.

 If we assume that you are more noisy (e.g. turning in you sleep) then
 we can use the noise level as indicator.

 I like the idea very much. I though about it a week ago! :-)
 You must know (and probably do about REM) the thing is, that the cycle with
 deep and shallow sleep takes about 1,5h. Optimal solution is to sleep during
 multiplies of 1,5h then you will wake up during shallow sleep and be more
 rested. My idea was to observe (by sounds and/or vision) sleeping person to
 guess when he/she fallen asleep. Then the 1,5h counter begins.
 Idea with ranges is awesome.

I think a combination of this and controlling an external light source could
manage to wake me up. No matter how loud the sound is, I would just
continue to sleep... ignoring the alarm. I hope this sleep pattern detection
is possible. If not, a mechanical lift under the top of the bed would help
(lifting the bed up to 80 deg so you get on your feat), but I can't afford it.

I hope there is somebody that can write an app for sleep state detection:)

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Re: questions for steve regarding group purchases

2008-05-08 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 5:17 PM, Joachim Steiger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 hi michele

 Michele Renda wrote:
 For openmok there is no difference, except than to pay x9 more payment fee.

 i beg to differ. the whole handling would make the gain of readily
 packaging 10-packs and ship these en bloc to one dest. vanish.
 so larry is right. thats like requesting 10% generic discount

 the whole point of it is: we are no escrow company, we are no bank, we
 are not paypal.
 we build the free and open mobile phone.
 and we want to focus on that.

I agree with Joachim.

And one tips on how to solve this with payment. The person ordering
the 10-pack could
make a simple contract for payment  delivery of the phone. Then
people could pay
and as long as they can prove they payed, it would be up to the hub
person to prove
he sent the phone. The contract must include payment  shipping details.

I will make a group order and have this kind of contract with some,
because I do not
have enough cash to order 22 phones ++.

I think OM should just provide the 10-pack deal or the single phone
deal. If people do
not trust each other, then they order a single phone and get no
quantum discount.
This is not OM's problem. Please let OM do their job with developing
the phone. They
are not a shippinginsurance company.

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Re: questions for steve regarding group purchases

2008-05-08 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 7:25 PM, Gilbert Hartmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 | Michele Renda wrote:
 | For openmok there is no difference, except than to pay x9 more payment
 fee.
 | i beg to differ. the whole handling would make the gain of readily
 | packaging 10-packs and ship these en bloc to one dest. vanish.
 | so larry is right. thats like requesting 10% generic discount
 |
 | the whole point of it is: we are no escrow company, we are no bank, we
 | are not paypal.
 | we build the free and open mobile phone.
 | and we want to focus on that.
 |
 | I agree with Joachim.
 |
 | And one tips on how to solve this with payment. The person ordering
 | the 10-pack could
 | make a simple contract for payment  delivery of the phone. Then
 | people could pay
 | and as long as they can prove they payed, it would be up to the hub
 | person to prove
 | he sent the phone. The contract must include payment  shipping details.
 |
 | I will make a group order and have this kind of contract with some,
 | because I do not
 | have enough cash to order 22 phones ++.
 |
 | I think OM should just provide the 10-pack deal or the single phone
 | deal. If people do
 | not trust each other, then they order a single phone and get no
 | quantum discount.
 | This is not OM's problem. Please let OM do their job with developing
 | the phone. They
 | are not a shippinginsurance company.
 |

 I think the request was for Openmoko to let 10 people pay separately, but
 still
 ship one package out. This solves half the trust issue people may have
 (namely,
 the money half) as well as the issue where someone has to have at least
 $3700
 around in order to place the order. My understanding was that there would
 still
 be one shipment, and that there would still be trust issues with whomever
 received the package, but there's still the community building aspect and
 such.

Please do not ask for this. It would give OM so much extra work. The reason
for the 10-pack deal is that since it saves OM time and money, we get
a discount.
If you want OM to handle individual payments for group orders, they would
have much work with arranging this (deadline for when all in the group must
have payed, group_order_id to identify to which group you pay, etc)

I already told you that you can write a CONTRACT between YOU and the HUB
person. That will GARANTE you the PHONE OR MONEY BACK!
Please, instead of complaining, write this contract and maybe share it with
others.


OM has already given us a very low price. I do not believe the price
on the phone
covers all the expenses they have, so do not ask for a general 10% discount.

Please order a single phone if you have so much problems with a group order.

(I write this because I also want to buy a GTA04. I just want the open phones
and I don't understand why people complain about everything all the time)

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Re: questions for steve regarding group purchases

2008-05-08 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
 There is no need to use this tone. I already apologize about my idea. It was
 only an idea. I was not knowing that it was so difficult and so expensive
 for Openmoko.
 Also I want a GTA04, and also I want that OM employers are focused only in
 their work.

Sorry

 It was only an idea to improve Freerunner sales, it was not to have my 10%
 discount. It was more to save some expedition fees, that for me that I live
 in Europe will be a bit big.

I know, I live in Europe too. I really recommend the contract thing.

 So, please learn to understand mail that are a complain from mail that are
 ideas. It was only an idea. It will avoid a lot of flames, that I think is
 the last thing we need.

I just wanted to kill this idea right from the start, so we avoid
having 273 mails
about it.

As you say, you only wrote an idea, and I should not attack you. I am sorry
for that. I still want to kill your idea (but I think I did).

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Re: questions for steve regarding group purchases

2008-05-08 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
| And according me Openmoko is doing in hardware what Linux made in
| software! And it is great.

 Same feeling here!!!

OM is doing some very important things. The thing which is most important
to me, is if they can make all HW producers write their drivers in GPL and
provide all the specification needed for any usage of their HW.

I really want a Linux enabled phone powered by FOSS. OM are helping me
by providing HW and FOSS SW that works together. It is our job to port OM
to other devices (such as Neonode N2) and to write good SW.

There is pros and cons by being open and supporting everything and the
negative parts are:
  - codecs must be run in SW because of the lack of HW to handle all open
codecs.
This could be solved with a FPGA, but that is added cost. I hope we get
a FPGA in the future (they can be run time flashed in 1 micro sec for the
codec the SW needs and this can be automated).
  - very limited amounts of chips available with open specs.
  - etc, etc
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Re: OM IDE (was: Re: Common Lisp for OM (Was: Programming OM))

2008-05-07 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
I use vim, and it is the best IDE I have ever used:)

(My point is that it is impossible to get people to agree
on one IDE, since we all have different taste and needs)
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Re: Software

2008-05-07 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
On 5/7/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Am Mi  7. Mai 2008 schrieb David Samblas Martinez:
  And why not implement a execute command option in
  the PIM Task Manager(Schedule)?
  If the neo will be able to wake up to play a sound
  and/or buzz, I suppose it can execute a shell command
  and sleep again when finished.

 The interesting bit of this is to distinguish between dates that just had wake
 up the device, so we may go to sleep again immediately after execution, and
 dates that happen to be executed while user intentionally switched on the
 device already so we mustn't go to sleep afterwards.

I got one idea. We know how the phone powered up (by button, charger or rtc).
If the phone powered up by rtc (/proc/cmdline) and
time_until_next_task  min_interval then suspend;)


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Re: Freerunner and external Display

2008-05-06 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
On 5/6/08, Ian Darwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 - not being able to connect a VGA-over-USB
   Sheesh. Stick a cheap USB 2.0 webcam on a stick, err, a tripod, above
 your phone and run that onto your display or projector. As Rasterman said,
 it's a phone.

 nickd wrote:
  bear in mind it's only usb 1.0
  -nick

 Seriously, though. Connect the USB 2 webcam-on-a-stick to your PC.
 It'll do a better job of driving the large display anyway.

Get a wireless camera that can be connected directly to your projector:)


Hmm... the LCD on the Freerunner is VGA... maybe it is possible to split
the signal to the display to a VGA out and create a driver...
I have a feeling this will not work:(

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Re: Freerunner and external Display

2008-05-06 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
On 5/6/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Am Mi  7. Mai 2008 schrieb Flemming Richter Mikkelsen:
  Hmm... the LCD on the Freerunner is VGA... maybe it is possible to split
  the signal to the display to a VGA out and create a driver...
  I have a feeling this will not work:(

 Hmmm, we got HSync, VSync, a pretty much standard framerate, you just had to
 convert the 5-6-5 databits by 3 DA-converters (maybe R-2R for the cheap
 solution) to form RGB. Some level shifting, attenuating, maybe inverting,
 should be pretty much feasible

Great.

 If you really want to do that, ask me for details of the FPC-cable signals and
 pins, to build your own LCM that plugs to the PCB-connector instead of the
 NEO one.

Thank you! That is very kind of you.
I will ask you if I ever want to do that:)

(My second idea is to simply create a BT2VGA adapter. I will try this first.
It will only be usable for still images, but it would be just for fun. But first
I need some time...)

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Re: Freerunner and external Display

2008-05-06 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
On 5/6/08, Clinton Ebadi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 But are there any that use VNC? It looks like at least that device
 uses an evil proprietary program making it useless for what people
 seem to want to do here.

Also it would be nice that it is so small that you can have it in your pocket,
and connects wireless to your Freerunner and accepts some open formats
so we don't need to put a lot of effort into developing a driver.

But thanks for all the suggestions:)
I didn't think it existed.

My idea of the BT adapter was to make something simple and small for
$15. I really think it is possible, but I rather buy something. Maybe I just
buy a micro projector instead... but they are a bit expensive. Anyway, it
is not something I really need right away, so I would have the time to make
my BT2VGA which could give me around 1fps

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Re: When will you update the Production Status, steve?

2008-05-05 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
On 5/5/08, Crane, Matthew [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hmm.. 2% failure?  That's a bit high, no?  Does the pcb have some
 issues?

I think 2% is very low. Remember it is a MP.
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GTA04::HW::input::joystick - MPU/MCU saves power and provides extra I/O

2008-05-04 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
Hello.

Will [1] (or [2] if [1] is not possible) be considered for GTA04?
It is really useful for navigation and fast writing (dasher ([3]))
and fast navigation. With [1] or [2], a stylus would never be
needed:)

If it will not be added, will there be enough free and available
GPIO pins so that we may add it our self?

I think that many people have different plans (e.g. [4]) and
that enough free and available GPIO pins would be nice.

[1] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wish_List_-_Hardware#Analog_Joystick
[2] a 5  (4 sides + center) buttons joystick (digital)
[3] http://www.inference.phy.cam.ac.uk/dasher/
[4] 
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Hardware:Neo1973:Alternate_Cases:Digital_gaming

I am sure that the people at OM don't like to add extra parts
just for fun, but maybe they do add [1] or [2] if really many of
us really want it.


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Re: connecting external cd writer

2008-05-04 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
On 5/4/08, Florian Rebstock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 christopher bradski schrieb:
  Connecting it may be possible, though, the max burning speed would probably 
  be under 8x... It would all depend on the usb chip used.
 
 that would be great - is there any software project that could realize this?
  Sent via BlackBerry by ATT

Just crosscompile cdrecord :)

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Re: .Mac like service

2008-04-30 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
On 4/30/08, Christoph Witzany [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I would very much like to participate at such a project (or even kick it off
 ftm), as my the plans for my PhD work include creating a service that would
 fulfill an important part of this: The transparent storage of data in the
 [Web|Cloud|Grid|newest_buzzword_for_distributed_networks].

I think that the best way to implement this is with a version control system,
so that you may restore your address book from x updates ago, etc. The
version control system should be able to handle binary data (e.g. svn) so
that the information may be encrypted. Using a version control system would
also minimize the network traffic.

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Re: Engineering Driven vs. Community Driven (was Re: Ugliness)

2008-04-29 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
On 4/29/08, Lowell Higley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I mean marketing is really just how to sellSNIP
 That statement could not be farther from the truth, IMHO.  I think any Tech
I agree 100% with Lowell.

When I think of marketing I think of Apple and Google. Apple is for some
specific group of people while Google manage to reach all. Why?

It is not because Google is free. Try to compare OpenOffice with m$ office.
M$ office gets its users because it's pushed on us (huge availability and
commenly known).

Google engineered what the market requested. They found out what
people wanted and how to give it to them. I remember that I started using
the search engine because someone recommended it to me. This was many
years ago... other people recommended me other search engines. Some
might be better, but Google is good enough so I do not change right now.

I have no idea about marketing, but I like Steve's idea about open
marketing. If we show the phone to many people, some of them might get
interested. I started using Linux because a friend of me told me about it.

If Openmoko should get out to x million people, I think we all need to work
together. Remember it is in our own interest to make Openmoko survive.
Showing off the phone would make a difference. If we want to show
something to non-hackers, we (the community) needs to develop a a lot
of nice software, so that people say Wow! I want that feature!.

I remember my friend told me that he don't care about what his phone
is able to do, as long as it is slim, long battery capacity and that he is
able to send/receive calls/SMS. Now I wonder, which features would
be so valuable that he would not care about the physical design? If the
phone was also a nitendo wii? Well, then it is up to us, the community,
to implement software that makes the phone work as a nitendo wii.
Only this way will garantee success.

Lack of features in hardware (e.g. camera) must be compensated for in
software (e.g. image drawing programs and support for sending/receiving
images).

If Openmoko survives, we could get more open firmware and GPL'ed
drivers. If Openmoko gets 1% of the mobile market, they can start to
push companies into GPL.

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Re: .Mac like service

2008-04-29 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
On 4/30/08, Shawn Rutledge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 5:44 PM, Robin Paulson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   my list starts with:
   *backing up phone settings, including list of installed packages (in
   case i need to re-install everything)
   *backing up e-mails/text messages
   *storing gps coords in case the phone's stolen/lost
   *backup/storage of any other arbitrary files

 You would want it to be a commercial service like .mac, with a
 subscription fee and guaranteed reliable service, and use GPRS to
 access it?  Or you would want to just do that stuff with your own PC?

I think some of the community members could set up a server for this.
Of course there must be some encrytion so the private data is secured.
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Re: 10 or more phones order

2008-04-28 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
On 4/28/08, Pietro m0nt0 Montorfano [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Ilja O. ha scritto:
 
So why's it not in Perl then,
You could do all that in a simple one-liner...
  
;o)
  
  
  
 
  I don't know Perl :(
  But I could try to write on z/OS HLASM. Or Erlang...
 
  Btw, it could be simple one-liner in Python too.
  Like this:
   phone_count = 42
   _orders = [BOX for _i in xrange(phone_count // 10)] + [SINGLE
  for _i in xrange(phone_count % 10)]
   print(Please, order %s % , .join(_orders))
 
  Or if you want REALLY python one-liner:
 
 exec(eJwryMjPS41Pzi/NK1GwVTAx4orPL0pJLSoGcqKVnPwjlBTS8osU4jMVMvMUKooS89JTNQqQtOjrKxgaaMYqaANVB3v6ufu4EtCgClbPVVCUmVeioRSQk5pYnKqjALZTQbVYCSivpKOgpJeVn5mnAXWKpiYAGp0z4g==.decode(base64).decode(zip))
 
 

 Oh My God

 It was just the moment, it was because it's passed some time since i stopped
 using C at work i think, it could be python, perl, bash, php, c, c++, basic,
 javascript, ASM, also java (i don't like it),. :D

 It was the moment :D

All the code can be written with standard cut (the Unix command).
But here is the C code:

/* input: the number of Freerunners */
/* returns the total netto Openmoko price for Freerunners */
unsigned long get_price(unsigned short no)
{
  unsigned long price=0;

  while (no%10)
  {
  price += 399;
  no--;
  }
  while (no)
  {
  price += 9*399;
  no -= 10;
  }
  return price;
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Re: 10 or more phones order

2008-04-28 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
On 4/28/08, Flemming Richter Mikkelsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 All the code can be written with standard cut (the Unix command).

btw., awk is more easy than cut :)
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Re: Shipping questions, customer organized distribution in Europe

2008-04-28 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
On 4/28/08, Werner Almesberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 steve wrote:
  Werner doesn't even know he was the inspiration.

 Oh, *now* I'm curious :-)

 - Werner

Maybe you run free of something? (Did you run away from jail/work/someone???)
Or running out _in_ the free?
Or you where running without getting paid for it?
Does running actually free your mind?
...
...
That would qualify as free (as in beer or gratis) running.

Anyway, I like the name Freerunner, since it runs
(i.e. powered) with free software:)
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Re: Engineering Driven vs. Community Driven (was Re: Ugliness)

2008-04-28 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
On 4/28/08, Ryan Prior [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 The community list is for getting phones into peoples' hands? Where has the
 actual community discussion gone, then? If there is need for a special
 purpose list to get phones into peoples' hands, it would not be hard to
 create one. Besides, it's not hard to share mailing list bandwidth between
 various purposes. I simply can't buy the notion that the community mailing
 list is not suited to community discussion at this time.

There is already too much noise on on the community mailing list.
I am sure we will get all the details soon:)

 I never said anything about a conspiracy - I just thought I'd point out that
 it strikes me as strange to respond to somebody's call to open up a process
 and involve the community by asking that person to make their communications
 private!

So according to you, it should not be possible to talk with people
outside the mailing list?

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Re: New List?

2008-04-28 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
On 4/28/08, Andre Timmermann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Am Montag, den 28.04.2008, 17:13 +0200 schrieb Sebastian Billaudelle:
  +1

 -1

 I think this will return to a normal level when freerunner is
 shipping. So give it another 2 weeks ;)

-1

I agree

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Re: Video Playback virtually impossible on Neo Freerunner?

2008-04-28 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
On 4/28/08, Kim Alvefur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Is it impossible to make the glamo fetch data from the sd directly?

Try to ask on the kernel list:)

Anyway, I think you will get a good explanation of
why we cannot do that. The glamo has proprietary
firmware, and very limited space for added functionality.

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Re: OpenMoko Remote Controller (SoC)

2008-04-28 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
 I'm probably over tired, but the concept of going over a particular type of
 bump in the car that makes your stomach feels like its just dropped, and
 having the phone play a w sound gives me a bit of a chuckle.

That was a great idea:)
Please add it to the wiki page.

Also, if you fall, the phone should start screaming AUUU!!! IT HURTS!
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Re: Shipping questions, customer organized distribution in Europe

2008-04-28 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
On 4/28/08, Erland Lewin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 2008/4/28 Steven Kurylo [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

  I would really like the option to use the USPS instead of UPS.  UPS
  charges much higher brokerage fees to bring a package into Canada
  compared to the USPS.

 If OpenMoko, Inc. won't do it, it sounds like a business opportunity for
 someone living close to Freemont to buy phones, pick them up or have
 inexpensive shipping, and then remail them to the rest of the world with
 USPS, charging a minor fee (around $10 per phone might make it worth while
 without being too expensive).

 As I wrote that I realized that there might be existing commerical services
 in the US that does stuff like that...

There is. myus.com is one of them.
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Re: OpenMoko Remote Controller (SoC)

2008-04-27 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
On 4/27/08, David Murrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[..]
 Are we talking the sorta half second delay with exagerated drunk movements
 required to operate the nintendo wii, or precise movements that can catch my
 cat doing the sideways wiggle in realtime before she jumps at something if I
 was to strap it to her?

It _is_ very accurate, but you need to filter the signals (same issue
as with the touch screen, both needs a LP filter)

 (Yes, I realise that attaching a phone to a cat is like trying to pin the
 tail on a live donkey, you get one chance, and then its all pain, but I
 digress)
You really tried both things? I would like to see a video of when you pin
the donkeys tail to a cat strapped to a phone :p

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Re: 10 PACK UPDATE!!!

2008-04-27 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
On 4/27/08, Vedran Alajbegović [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 hi,

 i'm confused a bit,

 will that freerunner include Debugboard too?

No. If you really need one, you will have to pay extra for it.
Openmoko will sell the debug boards for 99 USD

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Re: 10 PACK UPDATE!!!

2008-04-26 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
On 4/26/08, Sebastian Hammerl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 only a dump question:

 when i buy from a reseller in germany, the reseller bought about some
 hundred pieces in ten packs. so will i get the 10-pack-version when i only
 buy one? the reseller bought only x*10-packs so he should always get the
 extra.

It is not a dump question!

This is something you should ask your reseller about. I am not even sure
if the resellers get the extra stuff, since I think it was meant as a special
bonus for people that make a group order.

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Re: OpenMoko Remote Controller (SoC)

2008-04-26 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
It would be nice if we can choose between input.
Sometimes it is nice to use the touchscreen as a mice,
while other times I would prefer the accelerometers (e.g.
if you want to use the display to something else at the
same time).
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Re: OpenMoko Remote Controller (SoC)

2008-04-26 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
On 4/26/08, Flemming Richter Mikkelsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 It would be nice if we can choose between input.
 Sometimes it is nice to use the touchscreen as a mice,
 while other times I would prefer the accelerometers (e.g.
 if you want to use the display to something else at the
 same time).

... and if you use the accelerometers, you can actually
move the device just like if it was a mice:) That would
be very cool. Tilting is also an alternative and should
be implemented before this regular mice behavor thing,
since it is a lot more easy to code.

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