Re: Fourth Request: What is the warranty for the FreeRunner?
Warranty depends only from the distributor. Phone buyed from the openmoko store only have the DOA warranty (14 days). Please if you want to know more things search the mailing list (EG: what DOA means). 2008/8/27 Lally Singh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Any sort of warranty? > A purchasable extended warranty? > Spare parts prices? > > Anything? > > > > -- > H. Lally Singh > Ph.D. Candidate, Computer Science > Virginia Tech > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: will GTA03 be ready for holiday season?
2008/8/27 Nishit Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > So now we are targeting crippling the phone further? Real iPhone killer it > is going to be. > It was never meant to be an IPhone killer. It was designed for beeing the first open phone. What I wanted to say: since this is an HW revision, not a brand new phone, the components regarding 3G and USB 2.0 will not be present in the GTA03. The glamo chip will be removed since it was a bad design (personally I would like to keep it, but people at OM think it is better to remove it, so it will be removed). We should get a camera and EDGE, but no more details are given. If you want 3G, 3D accelleration, more power, 4Mio pixel camera and so on, just wait for the GTA04, and hope that samsung will open their 6410 SoC ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: will GTA03 be ready for holiday season?
It seems that the first 25 GTA03 Evaluation Boards have already arrived to wolfgang on August the 11th [1], so the phone *might* arrive in shops in december, I think no one knows. [1] http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td729555 BTW: It is unsure what will be in (what kind of camera, what GSM chip, and so on), but what won't be there is quite sure: -No Glamo -No 3G -No USB 2.0 2008/8/27 Risto H. Kurppa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 11:54 PM, Ron K. Jeffries <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I have a couple of friends who want to buy >> a GTA03. > > Cool, although as far as I know, it's still a bit unsure what's going > to be in it.. > >> what is best guess on when it will be in mass production >> and available to purchase? > > Holiday season.. what year :) > > Just a guess, not based on anything but a feeling: I don't expect it > to arrive before mid-2009 no matter what the promises have been. > > > r > > -- > | risto h. kurppa > | risto at kurppa dot fi > | http://risto.kurppa.fi > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Video-out support
Isn't USB 2.0 required for USB-to-VGA adapters? 2008/8/26 Charles Pax <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 6:48 AM, Esben Stien <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> Thomas Markus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> >> > I wonder if there are any plans for adding a micro-dvi[1], >> > mini-vga[2] >> >> You can't use a USB mini monitor?. > > Are there any USB-to-VGA adapters that would work under Openmoko? > > -Charles > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: comment of an iphone user
BTW: remember that in europe the phone cost "much less" than the IPhone because 450 $ is changed 320 €, while the IPhone is sold (here in Italy) at 499€ (1$ -> 1€) for the 8GB version... 2008/8/23 Nishit Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 8:16 PM, Matthias Berse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: >> >> Hi All, >> >> I finally decided to post something to this list I experienced today. >> >> I have a collegue I work with who is usually the first to get new cool >> tech gadgets. Sure enough he got both the first iphone and now just recently >> the second iphone. >> >> After hesitating for some days after getting the freerunner I would show >> it to him today. >> >> He was stunned! He said it feels really good in the hand. Actually thats >> the kind of feedback most people I know told me immidiately after handing it >> to them. Also the rubber like finish, he thinks is much better then the >> finish on the iphone. >> >> Sure enough he was blown away by the detail the display shows and really >> really impressed by the fact that this is all result of an open source >> project. >> >> The boots, well he liked them since he knows... And his comment about the >> linux kernel messages: Ah the same with a cracked iphone (I never cared to >> look into iphones that deep). >> >> So I think this was really cool since I did not demo much more just boot >> and tangogps and illume. >> >> So let's all get our hands dirty and make the software stack rock solid to >> make the neo's rock and roll! >> >> Openmoko Team keep up the good work! >> >> Cheers, >> >> Matthias >> > Yes, and let's make sure that the basic phone functions work faultlessly out > of the box so that colleagues don't laugh at our backs (thinking the $450 > purchase was a costly mistake from a rush of hubris). > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FSO ringtone
add this on the wiki :D it seems nice and should be automated in a really simple way! :) 2008/8/7 Angus Ainslie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 3:40 PM, simarillion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> On Wednesday 06 August 2008 20:20:29 Angus Ainslie wrote: >> > Where is the FSO ring tone saved ? >> > >> > Angus >> >> I think it's /usr/share/sounds/ >> But I'm not sure. > > > Thanks , > > Thats exactly where it is. > > /usr/share/sounds/Arkanoid_PSID.sid > > Now to change it is a little bit of fun. > > first in > > /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/framework/subsystems/oeventd/receiver.py > > Change the line that reads: > > decoder = gst.element_factory_make( "siddec", "decoder" ) > > to > > decoder = gst.element_factory_make( "mad", "decoder" ) > > > and change the line that reads: > > filesrc.set_property( "location", "/usr/share/sounds/Arkanoid_PSID.sid" ) > > to > > filesrc.set_property( "location", "/usr/share/sounds/ringtone" ) > > Then > > mv > /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/framework/subsystems/oeventd/receiver.pyo > /home/root > > then reboot the phone ( I'm sure there's a better way to regenerate > receiver.pyo but I don't know it ) > > Now you can link /usr/share/sounds/ringtone to any mp3 and that will be your > ringtone > > Angus > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: SD Card Fix Fubar
have you tried a different SD before sending it?? 2008/8/3 Scott Derrick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Well I think I screwed my SD card reader trying to solder on the GPS fix. > > I got the cap soldered on, slamed in an sd card and fired it up. > > No card. Nothing mounted at /media/card and doing a manual mount > produced the error > > mount: special device /dev/mmcblk0p1 does not exist > > BUMMER! > > So pulled the card out, got out the big magnifier and there was a > solder spec between pin 6 and 7! *hit! > > I unsoldered the cap, sucked and scraped all the solder out. Metered > between all the pins to verify no shorts( I know I should have done that > first). Put the card back in and no joy.. nada.. > > Not sure how to proceed now. Is Openmoko going to be taking FR's back > for repairs? > > Scott > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: NVidia S-O-C
Ok fine sorry for mistakes about OpenSource and whatever. 2008/7/14 thomasg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 7:37 PM, Francesco Cat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: >> >> I found this System on a Chip by NVidia: >> http://www.nvidia.com/object/tegra_600.html and >> http://www.nvidia.com/object/apx_2500.html >> >> It is something A-M-A-Z-I-N-G and I say I would love to see it on a GTA04 >> ;) >> >> What do you think about? Will we have a chance to see it? Or it is >> pure dreaming since it won't be open at all? >> Nvidia seems to care about Linux and OpenSource, we might try a ride ;) > > Let's make it short: not gonna happen. > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
NVidia S-O-C
I found this System on a Chip by NVidia: http://www.nvidia.com/object/tegra_600.html and http://www.nvidia.com/object/apx_2500.html It is something A-M-A-Z-I-N-G and I say I would love to see it on a GTA04 ;) What do you think about? Will we have a chance to see it? Or it is pure dreaming since it won't be open at all? Nvidia seems to care about Linux and OpenSource, we might try a ride ;) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down
have you tried removing the battery and start up it only with the USB cable? 2008/7/13 [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > hi all > last night, my qtopia mean that the batteries are down and i have to charge > them...it was 2 o`clock AM > and nobody will phone me at this time...so, i don`t charge them and let the > batteries run down... > now, if i put the charging unit on it, i just hear some damped tones out from > the speaker and see the red led > on the AUX button is flashing... i have no chance to bring the freerunner > upneither in NAND nor in NOR-Flash > and least of all not in the normal qtopia image.. :-( > is anyone know this problem with the full discharge...? > i try to flash it with the debug board... > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner and my SIM card...how to check if it is detected correctly?!
is the SIM 3G? 2008/7/12 Detructor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Hi, > > I've a problem: The freerunner doesn't connect to GSM network with my > new SIM card from 1&1 (D2). > Now...is there a command to check if the freerunner has detected the > card correct? > > Steffen > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: SanDisk micro SDHC 8GB card under testing
this is extremely interesting! On the Wiki we should add the max (or medium) read and write speed I think. This will grant no surprises at all for anyone buying a listed card 2008/7/11 ian douglas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > ian douglas wrote: >> I'll try Mike's iospeed utility next, but here's a dual-run of the >> bonnie++ utility: > > I should mention too that before running bonnie++ or Mike's utility, > that I deleted the FAT32 partition on the 8GB card, created a single > primary type-83 Linux partition and formatted it ext3. Since I rarely > run Windows at home any more, I didn't see any need to continue to use > vfat-formatted memory cards. > > > Mike Montour wrote: >> http://members.shaw.ca/mmontour/neo/iospeed is a simple >> performance-test program that I wrote (source is "iospeed.c" in the >> same directory) > > Mike, your binary is 420kb ... I'm guessing that you compiled your code > with the cross-compiler toolchain? > > After installing gcc/g++ and stdlib stuff via opkg on the Freerunner, I > was able to compile the utility directly on the Freerunner and it came > out to only 15kb. > > Either way, here's my results with the 8GB SDHC card: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/media/card# wget \ > http://members.shaw.ca/mmontour/neo/iospeed > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/media/card# chmod +x iospeed > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/media/card# wget \ > http://members.shaw.ca/mmontour/neo/iospeed.c > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/media/card# gcc iospeed.c -o iospeed2 > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/media/card# ls -l > -rwxr-xr-x1 root root 418384 Jul 10 21:08 iospeed > -rw-r--r--1 root root 2444 Jul 10 21:08 iospeed.c > -rwxr-xr-x1 root root14758 Jul 10 21:19 iospeed2 > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/media/card# ./iospeed2 > usage: ./iospeed2 > > I moved the iospeed files to /opt/ so I could compare against the 512MB > card that shipped with the Freerunner, and ran Mike's utility three > times on the 8GB SDHC card: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/media/card# /opt/iospeed2 testfile 100 > Size (MiB) Write (MiB/s) Read (MiB/s) > 100 0.776 8.890 > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/media/card# /opt/iospeed2 testfile 100 > Size (MiB) Write (MiB/s) Read (MiB/s) > 100 1.566 9.417 > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/media/card# /opt/iospeed2 testfile 100 > Size (MiB) Write (MiB/s) Read (MiB/s) > 100 1.557 9.396 > > and once on the unit's own Flash ROM as a comparison: > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/media/card# cd /opt > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/var/volatile/opt# /opt/iospeed2 testfile 50 > Size (MiB) Write (MiB/s) Read (MiB/s) > 50 1.577 9.530 > > Then tested /tmp which I guess is a RAM drive considering the speed boost: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/media/card# cd /tmp > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/var/volatile/tmp# /opt/iospeed2 testfile 50 > Size (MiB) Write (MiB/s) Read (MiB/s) > 50 28.617 42.786 > > > The 512MB card that came with my Freerunner has some other files on it, > and is formatted as vfat/FAT32. I ran the iospeed utility there three > times as well: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/media/card# /opt/iospeed2 testfile 100 > Size (MiB) Write (MiB/s) Read (MiB/s) > 100 2.020 2.739 > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/media/card# /opt/iospeed2 testfile 100 > Size (MiB) Write (MiB/s) Read (MiB/s) > 100 2.187 2.743 > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/media/card# /opt/iospeed2 testfile 100 > Size (MiB) Write (MiB/s) Read (MiB/s) > 100 2.207 2.736 > > > So according to Mike's utility, writing the the 8GB card is slightly > faster, but reading is several times slower reading the 512MB card. > > I was curious if this was a vfat vs ext3 performance hit, so I deleted > the partition on the 512MB card, built a primary type 83 partition, > formatted it ext3 and re-ran the iospeed tests: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/media/card# /opt/iospeed2 testfile 100 > Size (MiB) Write (MiB/s) Read (MiB/s) > 100 1.789 2.495 > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/media/card# /opt/iospeed2 testfile 100 > Size (MiB) Write (MiB/s) Read (MiB/s) > 100 1.722 2.505 > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/media/card# /opt/iospeed2 testfile 100 > Size (MiB) Write (MiB/s) Read (MiB/s) > 100 1.786 2.478 > > So interestingly enough, writes were slower on ext3 than vfat on the > 512MB card. > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Accelerometer
BTW: Where are tha accelerometers placed exactly? The images I've
found tell the positions of almost any chip but no accelerometer is
mentioned
2008/7/10 Jakob Westhoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Andreas Kemnade wrote:
>> On Mon, 7 Jul 2008 20:26:45 +0200
>> Tobias Diedrich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>> Andreas Kemnade wrote:
>>>
I have tried to do get some values from the accelerometers.
I get from /dev/input/event3 these values:
000b070: 5de6 7148 4108 0200 0200 ee08 ].qHA...
000b080: 5de6 7148 7b08 0200 0200 0100 1200 ].qH{...
000b090: 5de6 7148 9608 0200 0200 0200 2a03 ].qH*...
As far as I understnd thee first line is for the x axis,
the second for the y-axis, the thirs for the z-axis.
The value for the x axis does not change.
I get no data for /dev/input/event2.
>>> From a cursory look, "hexdump /dev/input/event2" and
>>> "hexdump /dev/input/event3" both show accelerometer data on my phone.
>>>
>> ok, neod seems to do something with them and seems to sometimes reconfigure
>> them.
>> That seems to be the reason why I got no data.
>> I have managed to get values from event2, too now.
>
> That sounds quite interesting. I got the exact same problem as you are
> experiencing. Could you tell me what you did, to get the event data from
> the first accelerometer?
>
> Greetings
> Jakob
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Re: hardware keyboard?
And now, tell me how will you be able to use the camera :P 2008/7/10 kenneth marken <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > http://www.umpcportal.com/2008/07/extndr-concept-turns-the-iphone-into-a-slider-mid > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Number of GTA02s ordered as of 10 Jul 2008
I must admit I am really courious about how many FRs will be sold within the end of 2008. I really hope someone will tell us this number, don't matter when :P 2008/7/10 Kevin Dean <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 12:36 PM, Ron K. Jeffries <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> My gut says OpenMoko first mass production run was approx >> 1,000 to 1,500. >> > > I think you're dramatically low-balling it. You're basing that on the > number of phones ordered, but aren't factoring in the number shipped > to resellers who have the item in stock but haven't sold it to a > customer yet, the number in transit to those retailers and the > distribution centers (one can assume that they're producing are a rate > faster than they're shipping to customers), the number put into > people's hands as "test equipment" for major media outlets, > universities and the like. I'm willing to bet that, like Koolu, there > are people or organizations with devices that aren't in end-user hands > yet - an Android based Freerunner like the W.E. Phone (for instance) > doesn't exist yet, but it's safe to say they're developing it on some > form of hardware. > > Realistically speaking, the number of people with Freerunner's in > their hands don't matter too much. The only reason I care at all about > how many devices Openmoko fabricated is to know if they're generating > revenue to be secure in a future product line. The number of devices > produced doesn't correlate the the number of community members (one > can assume there are device owners who will never join the OM > community and that there are members without devices) and the number > of users with devices doesn't correlate to Openmoko's profitability. > Openmoko earns profit on devices that end up in closets and warehouses > just the same. > > And... A bit more bluntly... I think there's a reason that the sales > figures haven't been released. :) > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: USB keyboard (was Re: Posible Bluetooth Keyboard)
are you sure you are looking for something like that? The name is "thumbpad keyboard" and I think it is unusable if you are thinking about writing using all the fingers of your hands. Or what about a flexible one? like http://www.usbgeek.com/prod_detail.php?prod_id=0194 or this: it seems quite crazy to me :P http://www.hackerstickers.com/products/frogpad-mini-keyboard-usb.shtml 2008/7/8 Robin Paulson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > 2008/7/5 Diego Fdez. Durán <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> Hi all! >> >> At the moment my FR is travelling to me, so I'm looking for a good >> portable bluetooth keyboard. >> >> What do you think about BT KB? what about Nokia SU-8W? > > on a similar note, i'm looking for an ultra-small USB keyboard (there > are various reasons why I don't like bluetooth). > > any recommendations? > > someone suggested this a few weeks back, is there anything else > similar/better out there? > > http://linitx.com/viewproduct.php?prodid=10779 > > thanks > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: freerunner unable to work with 3G SIMCards?
yes! tell us if they are UMTS capable or not! :) 2008/7/8 Michael Kluge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> > My German Blau SIM (On the back it says, amongst other things, 3V - >> > does that mean volts?) does NOT work on my new GTA02, despite what is >> > on http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Carriers >> > >> > One colleague's Dutch Orange SIM did work, but two other German >> > Vodafone SIMs did not. >> > >> > One German and one Dutch T-Mobile SIM did not work, but a German >> > Debitel (T-Mobile >> > reseller) did. >> > >> > Nor did a 1 year old German O2 SIM. >> >> Tried 4 more German SIMs - none of the them worked: >> >> D2 Mannesmann (7 years old) >> Vodafone >> O2 >> T-D1 (T-Mobile) >> >> I don't see any pattern. >> >> Who has a German SIM working in their FR? > > Yes, I have two, both work fine: > - D1 T-Mobile (from mobilcom) ~1year old > - E-PLUS SIMYO ~1month old > > Any experiments you want me to do? > > > Michael > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: band issue
in Pakistan the 900/1800 freq are used so they should be fine, if you get the 900/1800/1900 vers. It is the same vers shipped in Europe. It is important because if you do get the 850/1800/1900 version some operators will not work at all. 2008/7/8 Shaz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Have openMoko been made for bands available in Pakistan? Are they ready for > shipment? I am curious because openmoko site has shipment available for > Pakistan but are they considering the band regulations of pakistan? > > -- > Shaz > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Laptop Replacement
Now what we do need is just a USB 2.0 port :/ Otherwise the entire thing will be unusable for very low datarates... But something like that would be awesome on the GTA04. They should start thinking about making stuff like this easier! 2008/7/8 Alexander Frøyseth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Jay Vaughan skrev: >>> http://www.mamereplay.net/neo1973/ >>> >>> >> >> awesome! i'm going to do that too .. maybe make up a very simple PCB >> for it .. could this be the beginning of some interesting work in the >> case-design/snap-in accessory boards aftermarket? >> ; >> -- >> Jay Vaughan >> >> >> >> >> >> ___ >> Openmoko community mailing list >> community@lists.openmoko.org >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community >> > A PCB that are just plugged into the miniUSB inside the new case. > So that you use the old miniUSB to power the PCB and then make another > miniUSB contact in the new case. > > That have to be cool :D > And easy for every noob to connect (if it is easy to change case) > > Just change the case and connect the usb cable to the old miniUSB inside > the new case :) > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GPS
for me it was accurate within the 4 km range, but i live in Milan and this could easily make a big difference :) 2008/7/8 W.Kenworthy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Mon, 2008-07-07 at 20:47 +0200, Francesco Cat wrote: >> Another thing that might help: If the FR is connected to any network >> one should also be able to use IP Locator services like >> http://whatismyipaddress.com/ to get another extimation of the >> location of FR. They are usually quite accurate. >> >> Would this help? > > How accurate does the AGPS prefix need to be to be useful? - the above > locator is ~20-25km out for me (In Perth, Western Australia) using a > public IP. > > Not really my idea of "quite accurate"! > > :) > BillK > > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GPS
Another thing that might help: If the FR is connected to any network one should also be able to use IP Locator services like http://whatismyipaddress.com/ to get another extimation of the location of FR. They are usually quite accurate. Would this help? 2008/7/7 Yogiz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Mon, 7 Jul 2008 15:37:08 +0100 > Al Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Thank you for the testing. Keep doing the good work. > Hopefully this idea can solve the long fix problem. >> >> First stab uses the example perl functions from ublox for generating >> the aid-ini data, replacing their hardcoded x,y,z with values for my >> location. The copyright notice on the example code says you can't do >> anything with it without permission so I can't give you the script, >> but I can tell you how to reproduce it ;-) >> >> Get the AssistNow online client application note from: >> http://people.openmoko.org/matt_hsu/ImplementationAssistNowServerAndClient(GPS.G4-SW-05017-C).pdf >> >> Create a new script aid-ini.pl and start with: >> >> #!/usr/bin/perl >> print(clientdata_prepare()); >> >> Go to section B - Sample Server implementation and append subroutines >> clientdata_prepare and ubx_checksum to aid-ini.pl >> >> You need to replace the $posx, $posy and $posz values in >> clientdata_prepare with some that match your location. These are ECEF >> coordinated in m. There's an explanation of the calculation method in: >> http://www.u-blox.com/customersupport/docs/GPS.G1-X-6.pdf >> >> Alternatively you can use the attached spreadsheet if it survives the >> list. Just replace the lat and lon with values for your location. >> >> You probably want to change the time accuracy to reflect the accuracy >> of the Freerunner clock, and possibly the accuracy of your location >> estimate. >> >> Now copy the script to somewhere suitable on the Freerunner and make >> it executable. I'm using /usr/local/bin. You need to install perl if >> you don't have it already: >> opkg install perl >> >> Switch on the GPS then run the script: >> /usr/local/bin/aid-ini.pl > /dev/ttySAC1 >> >> If you cat /dev/ttySAC1 you should be able to see it using the >> current time according to your Freerunner. TangoGPS makes it easier >> to see what it's doing. In the only test I've managed so far it got a >> fix with a poor view of the sky, while my Garmin Geko was still >> struggling to see 3 sats. It wasn't quick, but it was better than the >> Garmin. It would be interesting if you could try 2 units side by >> side, one with aid-ini and one without, to see if it really makes a >> difference or if I was just lucky. I'll try to get some more testing >> in, but the weather isn't good here, and I don't want to get my new >> toy wet ;-) > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: HP calculator on neo1973 - was: More HW from Openmoko
should be trivial since the version for IPaq (ARM CPU) already exists: http://lpg.ticalc.org/prj_tiemu/screenshots.html 2008/7/6 Charles Pax <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Anyone working on getting TIemu ported? > > http://lpg.ticalc.org/prj_tiemu/ > > -Charles > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: applying screen protector
are them the same size of the ones needed for disassembling an Hard Drive? 2008/7/6 arne anka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> btw: these are torx! Don't spoil with a phillips driver!!! > > of course! and it's hard to find a sufficient small torx driver. > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: To Openmoko developers
thaks to all developers, and lots of thanks to everyone who buyed the Neo1973 and played with it! I think the FreeRunner wouldn't have reached markets without their help. 2008/6/30 Greg Bonett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > >> >> -Original Message- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michele Renda >> Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2008 11:42 AM >> To: Openmoko community >> Subject: To Openmoko developers >> >> This tread born to be dedicated to all "Openmoko developers", to Steve, >> Raster, Sean and all the persons that are in every day working to get our >> child out! >> So please, for a time, we can remove all the complains / polemics about the >> develop, and to see the results we got, getting a phone very very near to be >> completly free. >> >> Thank you, OM Developers >> Michele Renda >> >> > > Cheers to that, keep up the good work! >> > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Battery life & case design
FR only accepts 100 or 500 mA current I think. So yes, it will be "powered" by it in the sense that the FR battery will have a longer life; but it should not be enought i think because the FR seems to need more than 100 mA and I don't think it will accept something like 250mA. It's 500 or 100. BTW: 6.58 Volts??? Strange... It should provide 5Volts to simulate a USB... 2008/7/2 Diego Fdez. Durán <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > El mar, 01-07-2008 a las 13:22 -0700, steve escribió: >> A deeper back cover is an option. The cad files are open. I also thought of >> an external battery pack > > What about this: http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/travelpower/7d34/ ? > > The specs says: Output power: 6.58 Volts - 320 mA (max) in direct > sunlight. Can it power the FreeRunner (power no just charge) ? > > >> ( maddogg sent me some stuff on it). Lots of ideas, too little time >> >> Steve >> >> -Original Message- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 7:17 AM >> To: community@lists.openmoko.org >> Subject: Re: Battery life & case design >> >> Mikko Rauhala wrote: >> > ti, 2008-07-01 kello 14:35 +0200, Arne Zachlod kirjoitti: >> >> Im not sure, but I think with an even thicker phone there will be >> >> more no-geeks who dont care about the freeness who wont buy the phone >> >> only because its thick and heavy (and such a phone would be heavy). >> > >> > Actually reading the text you would have noticed he was suggesting for >> > someone (maybe Openmoko, maybe not) to produce a large battery back as >> > an optional accessory, so your criticism misses the point entirely. >> > >> > For myself, I would be at least somewhat interested (depending on bang >> > per buck, of course; it's not a must-have for me), for largely the >> > reasons the OP mentioned. That is, simply for getting to have more of >> > it on more of the time doing useful stuff. >> > >> > Power management is obviously important regardless, as is getting >> > decent standby time with the default battery. (If anyone would like to >> > offer a short summary to the community on how cpufreq and suspend are >> > progressing, that would be interesting.) >> > >> >> Thankyou, that is exactly what I was suggesting. For instance, I was >> pretty >> excited over the ideas for the mybot program (is that what its called?) >> having a phone that alters its behaviour based on GPS and where you are >> I'd like to take that idea further and include WIFI so the phone also knows >> where it is based on what SSIDs it can find but can you imagine how long >> the phone would last with GPS and WIFI turned on?? kind of makes the idea a >> no go. >> Which is a shame as such functionality really goes a long way to make the >> phone a transparent and intelligent technology which you'd quickly be lost >> without... also its something that most other if all other phones do not >> do >> >> So in short if there is anyone who has the means to mass produce a new >> deeper back cover for the phone so we can have a large battery in it then I >> think it would be in our interest to pursue that. I'm sure as time goes on >> there will be many other great software ideas for the openmoko/gta02 that >> will require the goodies to be switched on at all times. >> >> I've had a gta02 for a few days now. It really interested me as a platform >> for my various codings. My old mobile was a P.O.S so I started using the >> gta02 as a phone straight away (which is fine with some tweaks). However, >> already I have the habbit of getting to work and plugging the gta02 into my >> PC's USB port thus whenever I leave the office for a while I usually >> leave my phone behind which completely defeats the idea of a mobile :-) >> >> Regards, >> >> Jon >> >> >> >> >> ___ >> Openmoko community mailing list >> community@lists.openmoko.org >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community >> >> >> ___ >> Openmoko community mailing list >> community@lists.openmoko.org >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > -- > Diego Fdez. Durán <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | http://www.goedi.net > GPG : 925C 9A21 7A11 3B13 6E43 50DB F579 D119 90D2 66BB > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: More HW from OpenMoko
How much would a Octave port take??? :) 2008/7/1 Ken Young <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Rodolphe Ortalo: >> >> Given the freerunner hw, you can certainly do much better than that! >> I would expect something like "mathematica in your pocket"... ;-) > > The neo1973 has ~8 times the floating point performance of a VAX 11/780 > (double precision). The initial version of Mathematica was developed > on a VAX 11/750 - the Freerunner should be about 20 times faster than > that machine in floating point. It was also rare to run across an > 11/750 with more than 4 MByte of RAM. > > Ken Young > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Inter-Freerunner Connectivity
2008/6/29 Charles Pax <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > In what ways can two Freerunners plausibly communicate? Which is the fastest > for data transfer? Wifi and bluetooth for sure > Can they connect via WiFi without a separate router? I've seen some > discussion over how the Freerunner cannot be used as an access point. Does > this mean two Freerunners wouldn't be able to create a network of just > themselves? Actually they should be able to create Ad-Hoc networks. this means 2 FR will be able to connect each other. The Access Point functionality would have been usefull only when connecting 3 or more FR toghether. If you need to connect more than 2 FRs one way *might* be bridging wifi, bluetooth and USB connections, creating some kind of "chain". Not very clear if you need to connect 10 or more FRs :) > Can they connect through USB with one being the host and the other behaving > as if it were connected to my desktop (as an external hard drive or > whatever)? Probably this will be possible but I don't know what exactly will happen > Is there another type of USB networking they can do? Really I don't know > Is there enough control over the GSM chipset to communicate directly > (without using the mobile phone network) between two Freerunners? This would > violate some FCC regulation, right? Probably there is not enought control or it is not possible at all. > And just for fun... Would there be any practical purpose for communicating > through the headphone/mic jack? > > I'm assuming they can connect via bluetooth and that they can can make phone > calls to each other :) Making the FR a walkie-talkie device was in some kind of wishlist I think :) > -Charles > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Let us impact the material world
it is exactly what we need :) we need to make people understand the FreeRunner is unique, and can do things never imagined before! If I was planning an advertisement campaign, one of the facts I would focus is that the FreeRunner can be a USB host: this means using USB drives (including cameras, mp3 readers, also external hard disks!). No phone nor smartphone can do such a thing... FreeRunner is special, it will not just "send" SMS, he will manipulate SMS so you spend less money. Tell me what device is build for the user spending less money on something :) 2008/6/29 arne anka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> There is also a nice feature that could be used with SMS: imagine that >> the SMS is automatically shortened (eg by abbreviating words and stuff >> like that) than it's compressed before being sent; > > there exists a similar application, done in (horrible dictu) j2me. > a german university of applied sciences, i think, created it. > > but it still requires _both_ parties to have such a plugin installed. > > http://kom.aau.dk/project/mobilephone/Documents/README-ENG.pdf > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
SDL support
I have seen SDL support in the wish-list; but I have read an email telling that a game that should require SDL worked on GTA01. Is ths SDL library implemented in OpenMoko? Are there plans about it? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: No WLAN AP functionality
But will Packet Injection works for this chip? 2008/6/29 Esben Stien <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Mikko Rauhala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> Sadly no, as it's a hardmac chip and the proprietary firmware lacks >> this feature. > > Oh, no. That's really damn sad. > > -- > Esben Stien is [EMAIL PROTECTED] s a > http://www. s tn m > irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact > sip:b0ef@ e e > jid:b0ef@n n > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Let us impact the material world
There is also a nice feature that could be used with SMS: imagine that the SMS is automatically shortened (eg by abbreviating words and stuff like that) than it's compressed before being sent; I tried once and there should be libraries that could fit the "dictionary" needed for extraction + 500 characters in 302 chars... It means 2 SMS instead of 3 or more :) 2008/6/28 Paul Wouters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Fri, 27 Jun 2008, Nelson Castillo wrote: > >> I think encrypted messages are crucial for freedom. I also think most >> people don't know how easy it is for others to see what they send >> through the networks. I cannot wait to see those Encrypted messages >> traveling free through _their_ networks to deliver _our_ messages. > > That means: > > - Phase out SMS in favour of IM (SMS char limit makes crypto hard, cheaper > too) > - Use OTR with IM (http://otr.cypherpunks.ca) > > I am not sure at the current state of IM clients, but there are > python bindings for OTR at http://pyotr.pentabarf.de/ > > I will go at it as soon as I can order my Freerunner in Canada > > Paul > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Community Initiative GTK
I must have missed something... Can you post some links to explain what are the future plans for the Software Stack? Will GTK not be present any more? 2008/6/27 Joe Pfeiffer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I for one definitely prefer GTK: as a toolkit I know and like it (in > fairness I haven't developed for qt -- I have GTK and especially > GTKmm), but in general I find I prefer the "look" of GTK-based apps > better). > > I also felt the direction the phone was moving up until the ASU was > looking very good and promising to me. It was much more along the > lines of a handheld computer with phone featuers, which is what I > want (the automatic sync with evolution was also very nice). > > I just noticed the other day that the scaredycat images are still > based on the GTK stack -- I hope to be trying that out in the next > couple of days. > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Fast questions about GTA03
Lol, xmas is too far away :D I'm gonna buy this one I think... Hopefully the Glamo will allow for media to stream regularly, they would have removed there was no way to have a 25 FPS video I think. Plus, we have plenty of hackers ready to work ;) 2008/6/27 Flemming Richter Mikkelsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On 2008-06-27, Francesco Cat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> As I have understood from past ML, the GTA03 will be the enhanced vers >> of FreeRunner. I think a lot of undecided people like me would like >> clarification about what the GTA03 might be. >> Very fast and simple questions: >> -do we have a rough estimation for when the GTA03 will be out? > Some guess it will be out around Christmas. >> -the issue with slow bus for Glamo is gonna be resolved by changing >> the bus or eliminating the Glamo? > Yes:) >> -will usb still be 1.1? > Yes >> -will the price be different? If it is gonna change, some kind of >> estimation would be nice. >> >> Also, if there are important things I'm missing reply and add, thanks :) > There will be minimal changes: > - new battery > - new GSM module which supports EDGE > - mini jack instead of micro jack > - no glamo -> much better for video playback, etc. > - new case (might include a holder for a plastic stylus) > - the rest of the phone will stay unchanged in order to > save costs. > > All this information has at some point been written on > the mailing list. It is important to say that THINGS > CHANGE FAST. So there is no garatee that this is > correct. It was only ideas, but I guess they are very > likely to be true. > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Fast questions about GTA03
As I have understood from past ML, the GTA03 will be the enhanced vers of FreeRunner. I think a lot of undecided people like me would like clarification about what the GTA03 might be. Very fast and simple questions: -do we have a rough estimation for when the GTA03 will be out? -the issue with slow bus for Glamo is gonna be resolved by changing the bus or eliminating the Glamo? -will usb still be 1.1? -will the price be different? If it is gonna change, some kind of estimation would be nice. Also, if there are important things I'm missing reply and add, thanks :) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Slashdot post but no web store?
Waiting for a review from a user ;) I'm a bit undecided about buying... I was wandering if buying as soon as I'm sure it works well or get it as soon as possible :P Some discussion on ML has scared me a bit :( 2008/6/26 Kevin Dean <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > It's interesting... Your pictures are on a wood background too. :) > > I'm jealous... I didn't get a green band around my box... It's so > fitting with the ASU theme. :) > > On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 4:49 PM, Simon Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Peter Strapp wrote: >>> I sure hope it's for sale as I have a UPS tracking number from Truebox >>> (UK Openmoko Distributor) that says that it has been collected from >>> them. I'm hoping it will be in my hands tomorrow. >>> >>> Their website also states that the first batch of Freerunners have been >>> sent to customers >>> (https://www.truebox.co.uk/trueboxportal/index.php?wk=Openmoko). >> >> First boot! >> (sorry, I couldn't resist) >> >> I received my FreeRunner from Truebox today :) >> >> A few very quick pictures here: >> http://www.snmoore.net/openmoko/pictures/freerunner/ >> >> Cheers, >> Simon >> >> ___ >> Openmoko community mailing list >> community@lists.openmoko.org >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community >> > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FR with embedded projector and LASER keyboard
?? Is this the first "fork" of an open hardware project??? if it is a fork, what about implementing laser keyboard and projector in the next GTA? :P 2008/6/26 Flemming Richter Mikkelsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > http://koolu.com/WE-Phone/GET-YOUR-FREE-W.E.-SMART-PHONE.html > "The current generation of the phone does not include the laser > keyboard or built in projector. The Laser keyboard is sold separatey. > The next generation of the phone will incorporate the laser keyboard > and tiny LED projector built in." > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Slashdot post but no web store?
me too... I would like to try it out :P BTW: can I be sure that I will be able to make a phone call without problems or is it still under development? It was not so clear to me due to high confusion made about this topic in the mailing list... 2008/6/26 Marcelo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 2:45 PM, Kevin Dean <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> From what I've heard, SOME distributors have been notified that >> Freerunner devices are being shipped to those retailers. Retailers >> need to have a product in stock in order to sell it on the day it is >> released, that is what is happening now. The Freerunners are being >> shipped to them. > > Which firmware has been loaded into those devices that have been > shipped? Can someone please provide an URL for downloads? I'd be > interested in looking at what a consumer will see when they power up > their shiny new phone. > > Thanks, > > Marcelo > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: AM/FM radio
thank you. I was not aware of this. I will buy a separate 10€ FM radio ;) 2008/6/25 Yorick Moko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > This has already been addressed by an openmoko member. > There seemed to be a LOT of additional taxes for devices which can receive FM. > y > > On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 9:04 AM, Francesco Cat > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Will an AM/FM radio will be implemented in future versions of the GTA? >> A radio should not be so much hardware/software expensive. >> >> ___ >> Openmoko community mailing list >> community@lists.openmoko.org >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community >> > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
AM/FM radio
Will an AM/FM radio will be implemented in future versions of the GTA? A radio should not be so much hardware/software expensive. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
FR using OpenStreetMaps
What will be the best way to take advantage of Open Street Maps? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Main_Page A Free phone can't be depending of closed-source data for maps (google or others) ;) So we must be able to use OSM! (as well as contributing the project!) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
FR using OpenStreetMaps
What will be the best way to take advantage of Open Street Maps? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Main_Page A Free phone can't be depending of closed-source data for maps (google or others) ;) So we must be able to use OSM! (as well as contributing the project!) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
FR using OpenStreetMaps
What will be the best way to take advantage of Open Street Maps? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Main_Page A Free phone can't be depending of closed-source data for maps (google or others) ;) So we must be able to use OSM! (as well as contributing the project!) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GPS
Ok I really missed what I wanted to say: One of my friends told me some phones have positioning sistems that are quite unaccurate: they should be based on cells but have no GPS. He also told me it was "AGPS that uses only GSM to get information about position". Next time I will document better instead of just listen to friends :P Sorry for the big mistake 2008/6/23 Marcus Bauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Mon, 2008-06-23 at 10:25 +0200, Federico Lorenzi wrote: >> This seems to be really misunderstood. The GPS is the Freerunner can >> get a fix with no help whatsoever, it'll just take longer. This is >> where the AGPS can come in. Download some data off an assistance >> server, and suddenly your time to fix is much less. There have been >> posts to this mailing list about it. > > My experience with the Freerunner is ~12 minutes TTFF (time to first > fix) without use of agps and ~4-8 minutes TTFF with agps from > agps.u-blox.com using the software from openmoko. > > The Neo1973 (GTA01) had a TTFF without agps assistance of ~2 min. > > However, the freerunner shows correct altitude above geoid whereas the > Neo1973 shows only height above WGS-84 ellipsoid. Depending on your > location the difference between WGS-84 and geoid introduces an error > from -102m to +86m towards your real altitude. > > > > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
GPS
the FreeRunner will have a true GPS integrated, not only an AGPS system, wouldn't it? Because I was given the address of this flyer: http://www.pulster.de/info/pdas/openmoko/freerunner-flyer.pdf and I hope it is just out-dated ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Input Methods
what about implementing Dasher as an alternative input method? I am using it in this moment to write this email and it's really powerful. According to their site, experienced people do rach the speed of twenty words in a minute using an eyetracker! The other important thing is that it's utf compatible and supports lots of languages. Plus, it is open source software and has a nice learning curve. Give it a chance!ù http://www.inference.phy.cam.ac.uk/dasher/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
