Re: Progress on GTA01 power management issues !
Hello Richter ! I have not made any complains regarding the software, what I am complaining about is the fact that no representative from openmoko has commented on the bug that makes the GTA01 not wakeup from suspend on incoming calls and/or SMS:es. (reliably anyway) As far as I understand people in the community has been investigating this and indicated that it is likely to be a bug related to the modem hardware or firmware. Me and others has asked this question a number of times on this list, but so far no official comments. I didn't expect the GTA01 (or any product as complex as this) to be bug free, but I did expect openmoko to be open and supportive. If this is how they will handle current and future problems (with silence), I'd advice against buying their stuff. /Fredrik On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 4:48 PM, Flemming Richter Mikkelsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 4/21/08, Fredrik Markström [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Still no official comments on this issue ? Until this is resolved I advice newcomers to be careful before spending $399 on another piece of potentially useless hardware (GTA02). From my point of view openmoko might be as silent and unresponsive, using busy with nextgen hardware as an excuse with any future hardware revision. I think you have misunderstood the consept. Now Openmoko works hard to bring out the GTA02 STK to software developers. The software developers are the community. We will implement power management and Openmoko is nice enough to help us by (they hired people just to help us). The iPhone is not open but at least useful, and also $399 ! Then go and buy an iPhone if you rather have that. If you do not want a developer edition, but a consumer ready phone, you should not buy the Freerunner yet. -- Please don't send me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html Join the FSF as an Associate Member at: URL:http://www.fsf.org/register_form?referrer=5774 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Progress on GTA01 power management issues !
In fact it is $399 + ($0 for ZiPhone unlock) ! /Fredrik On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 6:34 PM, thomasg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is always funny to see how the bad marketing works. Still many people out there haven't noticed, that the iPhone doesn't cost 399$. In fact it cost's 399$ + 24 monthly fees hidden behind some included minutes and so on. On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 4:27 PM, Fredrik Markström [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Still no official comments on this issue ? Until this is resolved I advice newcomers to be careful before spending $399 on another piece of potentially useless hardware (GTA02). From my point of view openmoko might be as silent and unresponsive, using busy with nextgen hardware as an excuse with any future hardware revision. The iPhone is not open but at least useful, and also $399 ! /Fredrik ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Progress on GTA01 power management issues !
Matthew, 1) I was talking about GTA01 and the suspend/resume bug, I don't care about standby minutes, but I'd like to be able to use it for a little more then 3 hours between charging. 2) True, but I don't question the community or the software, I question the openness of openmoko regarding hardware issues. 3) True, sorry about my false comparison. /Fredrik On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 6:59 PM, Crane, Matthew [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Give me a break. 1) Worst case, no fix, so led is disabled. Phone is therefore useless? Why do you exaggerate? I speculate you are discouraging people so that they also waste there money on an iPhone and therefore partially validate your flawed decision to buy one. 2) Open development taken with current community size means we are already past the critical volume required to sustain long term access to knowledgeable people and web resources. The traffic on the dev lists for openmoko is comparable to projects that sustain for many years. 3) iPhone + gps = 399$ + 150$ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Fredrik Markström Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 10:28 AM To: List for OpenMoko community discussion Subject: Progress on GTA01 power management issues ! Still no official comments on this issue ? Until this is resolved I advice newcomers to be careful before spending $399 on another piece of potentially useless hardware (GTA02). From my point of view openmoko might be as silent and unresponsive, using busy with nextgen hardware as an excuse with any future hardware revision. The iPhone is not open but at least useful, and also $399 ! /Fredrik ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Power Management on Neo1973
I'm getting an uneasy feeling about the GTA01 power management issues, the questions has been asked more then once in this forum, but I havn't seen any answeres. Is openmoko trying to put the lid on or what ? /Fredrik On Thu, Feb 7, 2008 at 12:04 AM, Tim Niemeyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, as i understood correctly in GTA02 are new PCF and CPU. So it's possible that the problems in GTA01 aren't in GTA02. But the question from frederik is still unansweared. Michael any news? * Fredrik Markström [EMAIL PROTECTED] [27-01-08 17:28]: Michael, any progress on this issue ? Will the GTA-01 ever be usable as an everyday-phone, or is the hardware to broken ? /Fredrik Tim Niemeyer -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHqi7lGbn/Eak8UZYRAspZAJ9V6gSyEFeU+4RLNLnWHPJREBQNzwCcDpiT SBV30RIBgRmuHPipE1wsUYA= =DJTH -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Power Management on Neo1973
That sucks... If I buy a GTA-02 and it has hardware issues, will your attention to such issues be down-prioritized in favor of the (by then) next generation hardware ? I really thought I did buy fully functional hardware in the GTA-01. Instead i had to wait forever for the GPS-stuff and now it seems like it will never be usable as a wireless device ! I'm disappointed ! /Fredrik On Jan 28, 2008 8:35 PM, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Fredrik Markström wrote: Michael, any progress on this issue ? Hi Fredrik, Sorry, not yet. I'm afraid this is not at the top of the priorities right now. We recognize that it is highly important but our main focus is always on getting GTA02 out. Hopefully shortly we will be able to address this. Michael Will the GTA-01 ever be usable as an everyday-phone, or is the hardware to broken ? /Fredrik On Jan 14, 2008 8:24 PM, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tim Niemeyer wrote: On another Thread was this: --- And please do get my message right - it is my *hope* that the new firmware will also improve PM since PM issues of the GSM are know to be caused by the firmware. There is no confirmation of this potential fix. Can anybody from Openmoko please answer this firmware-pm question? Tim Niemeyer I will add this to my todo list. Michael ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Power Management on Neo1973
Michael, any progress on this issue ? Will the GTA-01 ever be usable as an everyday-phone, or is the hardware to broken ? /Fredrik On Jan 14, 2008 8:24 PM, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tim Niemeyer wrote: On another Thread was this: --- And please do get my message right - it is my *hope* that the new firmware will also improve PM since PM issues of the GSM are know to be caused by the firmware. There is no confirmation of this potential fix. Can anybody from Openmoko please answer this firmware-pm question? Tim Niemeyer I will add this to my todo list. Michael ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Very basic and fundamental question about the Neo
Does this (http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=806) mean that we will never be able to use the GTA01 as a phone ? That would really suck ! /Fredrik On Jan 7, 2008 1:53 PM, Krzysztof Kajkowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wiadomość napisana w dniu Jan 6, 2008, o godz 11:12 PM, przez Tim Niemeyer: Hallo, * Nicolas Linkert [EMAIL PROTECTED] [06-01-08 20:15]: that'd be another important question: Do you think I'd need a GTA02 in order to get a fully working battery? I mean I am not really that much interested in the additional features of GTA02, so I'd be satisfied with GTA01. However, if that power management issue is handled very differently in GTA02 I'd be forced to buy a new device ... Or am I thinking along the wrong lines? I have read some pages from CPU doku and i think there isn't much work to be done, because main thinks are allready there but they don't have enough glue. As I see it you should focus on standby mode. I read somewhere that this is not fully functional due to hardware issue (wrong resistor near GSM chipset) and is difficult to fix. Is that true? If so that would mean that GTA01 would never be realy usable :( cayco ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
