Re: [FDOM] best kernel to use for new release

2008-10-27 Thread Geoff Ruscoe
I did the mwester and then booted and untarred the mwester modules and
rebooted.  It has been stable (with suspend turned off), although the
battery life on mine seems to be just a few hours between being plugged in
(without usage).

I'm going to monitor it today to see if I can get a more precise
measurement.  So far its been about 1 hr and its only down 1 bar from full.
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Re: GTA03 - buttons or touchscreen

2008-10-27 Thread Geoff Ruscoe
On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 3:43 PM, Jelle De Loecker [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:

  I wonder if most people's need for a physical keyboard is a consequence of
 the GTA02's small screen. (Well, it's too small to use as a screen AND a
 keyboard at the same time, I think)


No I just prefer real keyboards over touch screen keyboards (by about
1000X).
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Re: [FDOM] best kernel to use for new release

2008-10-27 Thread Geoff Ruscoe
Wow, so 3.5 hours into the battery test and its down to 1 bar.




On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 9:58 AM, Geoff Ruscoe [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:


 I did the mwester and then booted and untarred the mwester modules and
 rebooted.  It has been stable (with suspend turned off), although the
 battery life on mine seems to be just a few hours between being plugged in
 (without usage).

 I'm going to monitor it today to see if I can get a more precise
 measurement.  So far its been about 1 hr and its only down 1 bar from full.





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Re: [FDOM] best kernel to use for new release

2008-10-27 Thread Geoff Ruscoe
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 12:23 PM, Geoff Ruscoe [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:

 Wow, so 3.5 hours into the battery test and its down to 1 bar.


So the final result was 4.0 hours from full charge to 0 bars and then
plugged in back in at 5 hrs...
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[FDOM] best kernel to use for new release

2008-10-25 Thread Geoff Ruscoe
So I'm downloading the new FDOM image, but unfortunately I don't see what
kernel I should use with it.

Is there a best kernel to go with it?

Thanks
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Re: GTA03 - buttons or touchscreen

2008-10-25 Thread Geoff Ruscoe
3) Definitely keyboard and touchscreen.
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[ASU, 2008.8/.9] remove bottom section

2008-09-21 Thread Geoff Ruscoe
I have removed the assassin installer so it doesn't show up any more (I do
everything command line while ssh'd in) and I want to get rid of the bottom
thing with the little pluses.  Is this a possibility?  I know that it's used
in some weird and inconsistent ways, so this may cause problems, but I'd
rather have the realestate... I would think the back button at the bottom
of the app would be better than always wasting that realestate for a bar
that _may_ have the back arrow...

Anyone know how to do this?
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[ASU] Is git available for freerunner

2008-09-21 Thread Geoff Ruscoe
Need I say more?

Oh what about svn?
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Re: Opkg: how to protect configuration files?

2008-09-13 Thread Geoff Ruscoe
On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 8:34 PM, Rod Whitby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 The packager of whatever package includes that file needs to set CONFFILES
 to include that file.  Then opkg will ask you whether you want to overwrite
 the file, or keep your old one, or drop you into a shell to do a manual
 merge.


So am I to understand that when they are packaging the config files they are
just not packaging them correctly?  Because many of my config files get
overwritten without asking me anything when I do an opkg upgrade.

So they just need to fix the way they are packaging them?

Specifically, the one that comes to mind right now is 89qtopia because of
the gsm mux enhancement.
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Re: Freerunner won't charge, and won't start anymore due to out of power

2008-09-02 Thread Geoff Ruscoe
On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 2:24 PM, Dan Leinir Turthra Jensen
[EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:


 the wiki provided me with a very simple (if slightly obscure) semi-fix:

 1. Push and hold the AUX button
 2. Plug in the wall charger


I had to actually press the power button at this stage to get the boot menu



 3. Select Boot in uboot
 4. Wait while your phone boots up :)


Other than that it booted and started its full charge
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Re: illume-config-illume on 2008.8-updates

2008-09-01 Thread Geoff Ruscoe

 Thanks Raster



I also want to send thanks to the Rasterman!  You've done so much to help us
all out.  It is very appreciated.  I now have a full keyboard and wrench
(and screen saver too).

thanks again!
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Re: Echo issue on OM2008.08 solved

2008-08-31 Thread Geoff Ruscoe
Okay so I downloaded:
https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/raw-attachment/ticket/1267/qtopia-phone-x11-phonevendor-ficgta01vendor_4.3.2%2Bgit2%2B13101ab6ddaec380871ae8021a92140af526c4df-r38.05_om-gta02.opk

Is this installable on 2008.08 w/ upgrades?

So I can do a

opkg install -force-downgrade
qtopia-phone-x11-phonevendor-ficgta01vendor_4.3.2+git2+13101ab6ddaec380871ae8021a92140af526c4df-r38.05_om-gta02.opk

To try to fix the echo issue?

Or is this not for 2008.08 w/ upgrades?



On Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 9:10 AM, Florian Hackenberger 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Sunday 31 August 2008, Petr Vanek wrote:
  I have installed the new libficgta01vendor.so file but no help, echo
  still persists. I got the same error as other people (Not
  Downgrading), so manual replacement of the previous
  libficgta01vendor.so by the new one was necessary. I have also
  tweaked my alsa settings a bit hoping that in a combination this
  would be sufficient but it didn't help.

 I tested the patch by confirming that there is an echo by calling the
 freerunner, then installed the package (--force-downgrade is required),
 rebooted and placed another call. The echo was gone. Some people
 however still complain about the echo. It seems to depend on the
 speaker volume, but I'll investigate a bit further. It's just that my
 time for working on the phone is very limited. I did the patch
 (including the test) in about 2 hours and haven't had any time since
 then. Please be patient and report your experience. I'm pretty
 confident that we can solve this issue.

 Cheers,
Florian

 --
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 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 www.hackenberger.at

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Re: Echo issue on OM2008.08 solved

2008-08-31 Thread Geoff Ruscoe
On Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 9:20 AM, Geoff Ruscoe [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:

 Okay so I downloaded:

 https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/raw-attachment/ticket/1267/qtopia-phone-x11-phonevendor-ficgta01vendor_4.3.2%2Bgit2%2B13101ab6ddaec380871ae8021a92140af526c4df-r38.05_om-gta02.opk



Is this installable on 2008.08 w/ upgrades?


Also I just noticed this says gta01 and I have a freerunner.  And sorry for
my previous sloppy top post w/ included comments...
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illume-config-illume on 2008.8-updates

2008-08-31 Thread Geoff Ruscoe
Is it possible to run the opkg install for this?

I do not have the testing repository setup (yet).  I have been sticking with
the default opkg repositories for 2008.8-updates.

I could enable it and update, upgrade, and then install the
*illume-config-illume,
but I'm worried I will just end up having to reimage...*
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Re: [Bug Filing Policy] please read before crate ticket

2008-08-29 Thread Geoff Ruscoe
(Don't expect the community to understand what you can't sort out
 yourself (put information in the right place))


How about adding a link at the bottom of the front page of the wiki, next to
the forums links.

A File Bugs link that takes you to a page with everything you need to know
in order to file the bugs, search the bugs, etc.
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gprs and gsm0710muxd

2008-08-29 Thread Geoff Ruscoe
So I was getting ready to update my 2008.08-update with the gprs and gsm
multiplexing.

Just as a note it sounds like this might be necessary in order to get the
ECHO fix using the hidden
AT%N0187 command anyway... but that another thread...

Anyway I was wondering if we knew that the gsm0710muxd from the updates
would still not work.
Also do we know if the instructions at:
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_GPRS

And one last thing it looks like option 2 (multiplex with no gui) does not
need the gsm.*muxd from the other site, is this correct?
I'm going to try that route and see how it goes.
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Re: gprs and gsm0710muxd

2008-08-29 Thread Geoff Ruscoe

 And one last thing it looks like option 2 (multiplex with no gui) does not
 need the gsm.*muxd from the other site, is this correct?
 I'm going to try that route and see how it goes.


First note:

opkg install gsm0710muxd (from the std 2008.08-updates) does not create an
/etc/init.d/gsm0710muxdso option 2 doesn't seem to work out of the box on
2008.08-updates...

More info to follow
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Re: Repository and Images

2008-08-27 Thread Geoff Ruscoe
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 9:07 AM, Julian Chu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi Community,


   *) A new 2008.8 stable image

  [2]http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.8-update/

  Oh, it's daily build.

   *) The repository of 2008.8
  After the building process complete, we also sync the repository[3]
  People can upgrade from there.

  [3] http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/

   *) Base Images and repository
  [5] http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/testing/


Okay I think these details above sound great, but when I tried them out they
did not go as expected.  Maybe we can get some clarification on the correct
path for a user (like me :-)).

Anyway,
Starting point 2008.08 w/ Zeche's testing repos -- everything up to date.
Get this mail installed the testing image
created:
testing-all-feed.conf
testing-armv4t-feed.conf
testing-om-gta02-feed.conf
all pointing to the testing repository listed above (5)

did the opkg update opkg upgrade
This did lots of stuff ... I was getting excited about the new code

had dropbear and libncurses issues which I have seen before and solved

did an opkg update and opkg upgrade again to make sure nothing was missed.

And this is where the trouble started I believe... somehow this had added
buildhost repositories to my opkg setup.  It installed a ton of stuff before
I even realized what it was doing so figured I better let it finish and hope
that _somehow_ all the information I knew to be true about buildhost wasn't
true anymore...

Well as you can guess, my device is going to need to be reflashed.

So in summary

From the information above, I thought link 5 above was the proper repository
for 2008.08?  Is this correct?

If so, how did the buildhost opkg repository files get to my system.  I
would suggest this be fixed pretty quickly.

If I am used to 2008.08 and tangogps, etc.  Should I install the new 2008.08
image (link #2 above)?

I thought this was intended as the upgrade path for 2008.08 for a more
stable (better / more updated packages).  Is this not its intention?

All information regarding this will probably help many other users.  And I
suggest that nobody follow the upgrade path that I did, until these things
are answered, cleared up.

Thanks so much for your efforts.  Really looking forward to getting the next
build!  Since I've bricked my os at the moment I'm going to try to back some
stuff up and flash the 2008.08-update just in case its better :-).  btw,
love the 2008.08 after modding the keyboard and adding the gprs mux stuff.
Super great with exception of super slow after startup and some stability
issues (turning off instead of suspend, etc.).

Thanks again.
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2008.08-update + The Rasterman's keyboard

2008-08-27 Thread Geoff Ruscoe
I was wondering if anyone knew what the best way to update the keyboard
settings on the 2008.08 Update would be.

So I had to flash the 2008.08-update image after hosing my other install
(described elsewhere)...

Anyway, so I was trying to figure out the best way to get this update and
The Rasterman's keyboard fixes in place.

Install Rasterman's image and then do the updates from the update 2008.08
repositories?

Install 2008.08-update and manually fix -- I remember how I did this last
time so I may have to hunt.

And then lastly, Rasterman, I read on one of your posts that you are going
to focus on FSO, does that mean I should be too :-).

Basically I want phone and SMS + TangoGPS and modem (did the MUX stuff to
use at same time).  This with battery life, stable suspend/resume, and a
great keyboard, and I'd be happy as a pig on freerunner...

So is there anyway to get a ipk of fixes to convert 2008.08-update into the
Rasterman's keyboard setup?  Or am I better off reflashing again...

Anyway sorry for clogging this email but I think a lot of people would be
really happy to get this going.  And I'm interested in fixes for
2008.08-update, and plans of action for FSO also.

Thanks much all!

-Geoff
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Re: comment of an iphone user

2008-08-23 Thread Geoff Ruscoe


 Yes, and let's make sure that the basic phone functions work faultlessly
 out of the box so that colleagues don't laugh at our backs (thinking the
 $450 purchase was a costly mistake from a rush of hubris).



I shun thee negative.  Now all can find humor at a lack of understanding and
patience.
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Re: Partitioning 8GB uSD

2008-08-22 Thread Geoff Ruscoe
On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 1:22 PM, Russell Sears [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:

 2008.8 has the same problem.  It also uses qpe to scan all the data on
 the SD card at boot.  This is why it's really slow right after it boots
 (eg: seconds to echo keypresses in the dialer...).  I use tangogps and
 it wants to index all the map tiles, so it takes *hours* to scan my SD
 card after each boot...

 -Rusty



I bet that is my problem.  I mean the software stack has improved
tremendously -- I have been using zeche's patches and the terminal keyboard,
and have been really happy, except for the slowness...  I haven't been able
to figure out what to do or what the problem is, but this sounds like the
main cause...  I would definitely like to turn off the scanning or tell it
only to scan (or exclude) certain directories...  This would make such a big
difference!

The patch that was listed, I'm not sure I can translate that into my thought
from above... Would a setting of ContentDatabase=0 turn off the scanning.
I'm not interesting in prescans of the media files... I would rather
manually create play lists of find them with a file chooser.
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Re: USB keyboard in hostmode?

2008-08-21 Thread Geoff Ruscoe
On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 3:27 PM, Jay Vaughan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Do you have a source for this info? The only need for external
  components that
  I'm aware of is the 15k pulldowns when charging while in host mode.


 About two years ago I was working on getting USB Host mode working
 out of the box on the GP2X, and I ran into this problem - the
 missing cap/resistor combo meant that the USB Host controller
 interface wasn't able to accurately determine what sort of node it was
 communicating with, and thus the onboard Linux driver tried to treat
 it as a hub node when it was really just a 'terminal' node.  I don't
 have a reference for you on this, just going by memory ..


Can we have a keyboard with that includes batteries and supply juice to the
freerunner while in host mode?  That way when using the builkier setup with
the keyboard plugged into the usb, it could be charging the freerunner?  Or
are the host mode / charging mode multually exclusive?
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SDHC 16GB 15MB/s card

2008-08-19 Thread Geoff Ruscoe
I am looking to upgrade my Micro SDHC card and I found:

a 16GB Sandisk w / 15MB/s speeds.  This sounded like a winner to me, but I
wasn't sure if it would work.

The model number is:

SDSDRH-016G-A11

Can someone tell me whether this does or does not work.  Or can anyone tell
me if they think it would or would not work (if no one knows for sure).

-Geoff
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Re: full-keyboard for Om 2008.08? - SOLVED ?

2008-08-17 Thread Geoff Ruscoe
On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 3:12 PM, Andreas Hennig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  I dont have the file
 /usr/lib/enlightenment/modules/illume/keyboards/Full-QWERTY.kbd


So I have the 2008.08

Then I upgraded the packages using  Zeche's builds:
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Download#Unofficial_builds_by_zecke
I went with testing which should be more stable than development (I
believe)...

I upgraded to do the gprs mux:
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_GPRS#Option_1:_With_GSM_multiplexing_and_with_a_GUI
)

And this is working great.  Then I decided I better get the qwerty keyboard
going.

However, after upgrading all of the packages from above two steps I no
longer have the file:
/usr/lib/enlightenment/modules/illume/keyboards/Full-QWERTY.kbd

So, backing up this file is kind of step 1 in the process found at:
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om2008.8_Keyboard#Using_the_Full_Qwerty_keyboard

So three things...
1) I hope these links and tying this information is helpful to someone  I
know I am much happier with my freerunner now, ymmv...
2) I think you may want to backup your files and do the keyboard before the
other two steps...
3) Can anyone provide me with the Full_QUERTY.kbd file?

Thanks so much!

-Geoff
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Re: full-keyboard for Om 2008.08? - SOLVED ?

2008-08-17 Thread Geoff Ruscoe
On Sun, Aug 17, 2008 at 10:56 AM, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 the wiki is misleading/wrong. Terminal.kbd is what you want - it's all
 installed by default. your problem is being able to use the illume kbd at
 all -
 you are stuck with the qtopia one as long as it feels like creating it.


Thank you very much, backed up and replaced the Default.kbd with the
Terminal.kbd and now the Full Qwerty keyboard comes up when I launch the
terminal, or the messenger, etc.
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Re: Ahah: and you released anyway ? - Re: [ Software Testing Report : 2008.08.07 ]

2008-08-15 Thread Geoff Ruscoe
On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 10:32 AM, Olivier Berger [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:


 Fights, flamewars and other disputes are part of a live community, so


Not the good part.

Collaboration, cooperation, and positive attitudes are the only thing that
really count.

Most of what I read on our community mailing list is utter garbage spewed
from people with bad attitudes and a chip on their should.  They are not
Linus and they shouldn't act like they are.  They  should spend more time
meditating, doing QA, or software development and reporting bugs or
providing patches in a fashion that help the project and less time
ranting...

Yeah we all wish the OM stack was more stable (especially OM!).

Thanks all.

Peace.
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Re: tangospg and 2008.8 - gui not drawing

2008-08-12 Thread Geoff Ruscoe
On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 7:42 AM, Risto H. Kurppa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 And is this patch for tangogps or general gtk stuff.. To me it looks
 it doesn't have much to do with tango..


It looks to me as though this is something that should be in the 2008.08
deployment (opkg update anybody?).

I would like to thank Marcus for what a great job he's done with tangogps.
I use it more than any other app on the freerunner.  I would like to point
out that tangogps specific stuff probably belongs attached to the tangogps
site rather than here.  I have thought about looking into that as well but
so far this is the closest thing I've done to it.

Thanks again Marcus!  Super glad the app works on 2008.08 (as with many I
was worried).
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Re: Where are the Om2008.8 Updates?

2008-08-12 Thread Geoff Ruscoe
I want to +1 this.  No battery status only the charging lightning bolt (even
when its not plugged in).

I deployed the kernel from the buildhost 2008.08.couple days ago and have
the same problem no usb ethernet.  Had to reinstall original kernel to fix
this.

I couldn't find a bug for this.  Is everyone using 2008.08 having this same
issue?

And +1 also that opkg update ; opkg upgrade hasn't upgraded anything yet...




On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 6:25 AM, carcinoma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hello,

 i have the Om2008.8 on my device.

 But over the Insteller Update function never recieved any updateable
 Packages, also over the
 opkg manual update  upgrade (i pushed nameserver to /etc/resolv.conf) .

 So, there ist a problem with the battery charge level (it only shows the
 blizzard) and i updated the
 kenerl from daly buildhost and this will be fixed. now there is no ethernet
 over usb possible.
 i think the modules does not match the kernel (or something like that). now
 i ask: where can i find
 the updates for om 2008.8 and the matching new kernel. will there be new
 Images for kernel and
 rootfs?

 please help me..

  Carci

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Re: InvibleShield at ZAGG : swindling ?!?

2008-08-11 Thread Geoff Ruscoe
On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 1:09 PM, Ilja O. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I've got confirmation @ Jul 24
 Your item has been shipped message @ Jul 28
 And received it today (11 Aug).

 That's in Europe.
 Quite slow, but you'll eventually get it.




I got mine too.  About the same time frame (here in the U.S.)
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Re: bye bye 2008.8, you wont be missed :(

2008-08-10 Thread Geoff Ruscoe
I agree that the keyboard is a big disappointment.  After learning a few
undocumented tricks (right to left for back space, and the left to right for
accept word) it is a little better, but... if it weren't for the mailing
list I still wouldn't know how to type anything but [A-Z]*...  One of the
flip down keyboard options (not sure what to call this) should definitely be
the full qwerty keyboard (a.k.a. matchbox keyboard?).  But to be fair the
suspend resume is working great for phone and messages.  Battery life is
much improved.  After a little tweaking I got tangogps installed and so I
now have most of the base features I wanted going.  So I'm actually really
really really happy with this release and would like to say thanks to the
openmoko team for doing such a great job.  Just want to say to everone that
was involved in all of the keyboard decision making that was so painful to
read about on this list:  I think you guys had some good ideas but were way
too inflexible and this hurt the end product.  Please try to be more
flexible in the future.  But thanks for all the hard work!  I can't wait to
get developing for this little monster!




On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 7:31 AM, Peter Mogensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 William Kenworthy wrote:
  I am afraid I am going to have to delete 2008.8 and forget it ever
  existed.  Despite very little of it working, I was giving it a go but I
  just had a bug I raised on the keyboard closed with works for me
  saying in effect they are only willing to work on the existing keyboard
  and its working as designed, so there isnt a problem and no changes/new
  keyboard alternatives are needed.

 Well, that was not exactly what was said, but I understand your
 disappointment.
 And I'm desperately trying not to draw the same conclusions.

 The keyboard works for me (technically), but it's FAR FROM living up to
 my expectations. It's nice - but only for certain applications and for
 some it really sucks.

 /Peter


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Re: 2008 WTF??

2008-08-10 Thread Geoff Ruscoe
2008/8/10 Flyin_bbb8 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Hahaha :p


 iphone geeks :-) (ow, i said it)


The funny thing is, in my idealistic brain, I thought geeks shouldn't even
want the iPhone...  I know I don't want to have anything to do with that
closed system.  I am truly amazed at how many of the geeks I know actually
bought one.  I mean it seems like great hardware, but no way I want to get
locked into _any_ of apples products.  I lose respect for every geek that
buys one.  (talk about ow, yeah I said it... but I guess they're not reading
here anyway)...

And back on topic.  I think that the 2008.08 is definitely a major step
forward.  I have been using it since that morning and have found it to be
better than all the others.  I think their idea of telling people this is
the most stable is because they want everybody on the same page and right
now this is it.  No sense wondering, should I stick with 2007.02 or ASU or
...  This is the best we have, please try it...

I think the key thing other than documenting its _beta_ or _developer only_
state is to start improving the build process so that everyone [most of us]
can dive right in and get going helping out.

I really want to help out, but with limited time, I would do a lot better if
we had a very easy way to get started doing the development.  being able to
follow a _simple_ recipe for getting started and running a single script, or
make, rake, etc for doing the build would be great.  And I think creating
everything to work with Eclipse, a _free_ and very _open_ IDE would be a
great place to do this.

Here's to checking out a git version of the project and opening it in
Eclipse and compiling it!

Thanks again,
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Re: tangospg and 2008.8 - gui not drawing

2008-08-09 Thread Geoff Ruscoe
  You can either install it by overwriting
 /usr/share/themes/Moko/gtk-2.0/gtkrc or I think by sticking it in
 ~/.gtkrc-2.0

  Cheers,
  Mike.

Thanks, Mike.  Your modified gtkrc worked perfectly for me.  tangogps
looks *much* better now.  However, putting it in ~/.gtkrc-2.0 didn't
seem to work for me so I just moved
/usr/share/themes/Moko/gtk-2.

 0/gtkrc to
 /usr/share/themes/Moko/gtk-2.0/gtkrc.orig and pasted yours in.


That worked great for me too!

Everything looks great now.  Except I still don't have the Auto Center
button anymore.  Anybody else having this problem?



snip sample gtkrc


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Re: tangospg and 2008.8 - gui not drawing

2008-08-08 Thread Geoff Ruscoe
Yes Also I had it crash many times while on the config page.  I was trying
to set it to use my previously downloaded maps in the /media/card/Maps/osm
directory.  And it crashes with the popup about reporting the error.



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 Hi,

 I just installed the latest tangogps (0.9.2-r1) on 2008.8.  Several
 GUI widgets aren't drawing properly, which were fine on other
 distributions.

 On the bottom left hand corner I see maps but none of the other tabs
 to the right are shown, its black.  However if I tap in the black
 area, the page loads properly (trip, config, etc).  If I'm on the trip
 page, I can see the trip tab, but the rest are black.

 On the map page, the fullscreen button on the top is cut off.  I
 also can't see the autocenter button.

 Is this happening to other people with 2008.8?

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Re: Qtopia and Java?

2008-07-25 Thread Geoff Ruscoe
On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 4:27 PM, Jim Morris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On my Desktop I just played with Qt Jambi the Trolltech Java UI SDK for
 Java. It looks good, but
 will it work under Qtopia? Or only under Qt/X11?

 I have Jalimo loaded on my Qtopia loaded FR and of course none of the
 graphics libs they provide
 work because they are GTK/X11, so what does it take to use Java to write an
 app under Qtopia?

 I'd like to be able to write simple apps either in Java or Ruby. I presume
 some people will want
 python too.

 There are Qt bindings for Ruby but I think they are Qt/X11 not Qtopia.

 Any suggestions?

 Thanks
 Jim


I wrote a simple Java GUI app using Jalimo the other day just as soon as I
got my FR.

It worked great, just as described on the wiki/links from wiki.

The key was I went ahead and used the SWT framework (which is also available
in the packages).

a couple recommended opkg installs
built little gui in Eclipse (compiled using the swt jar)
copied the class to the phone
ran from the command line...
And life was full of joy!

Hope this helps.  I know I didn't look up the links, but they are readily
available.  I figured its the procedure that you needed.

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Group Sales Indiana / Kentucky Midwest

2008-05-17 Thread Geoff Ruscoe
Hey, I'm trying to rally the troops again so we can get these groups
finalized before the phones go on sale.  Right now we have 5 in the midwest
and 5 in the Indiana/Kentucky.  If we combine right now that's obviously the
perfect 10.  Don't get me wrong I'd rather have two groups with the 10 --
and I'd like to be in the Kentucky / Indiana group because that means we are
all very local.  Anyway if you know anybody who you think might want one
lets make a final push to get these groups numbers together so we're ready.

I can't wait to get my phone!!!

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Re: Will GTK be used in Openmoko? (was: Re: Software Status Update)

2008-05-15 Thread Geoff Ruscoe
I think gtk should definitely be part of the platform.  As far as I know the
Java Swing hooks are for gtk.  Since its shipping with Java it should be
able to use the gtk, right?

Plus as far as I can tell the ruby and python hooks for gtk are slightly
cleaner and easier than working with qt.  So from a developer standpoint I
think we're better off with gtk.

Thoughts?



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wrote:

 Hm, this is all new to me.  Has anyone tried grabbing the qtopia keyboard
 and using it with openmoko?  If the libraries are all there, it shouldn't be
 a problem right?


 On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 10:05 AM, David Samblas Martinez 
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 Sorry me if this has been said in other post, but if
 gtk is not the default graphical library  what
 library gonna be ETK the official one?  Just to
 document me for future apps(ideas) in mind
 --- Mo Abrahams [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió:

  I was wondering about that too. Personally I would
  rather have stuck
  with GTK, but in the grand scheme of things I will
  be doing less coding
  than other people I imagine.
 
  On Thu, 2008-05-15 at 07:31 -0700, Michael Shiloh
  wrote:
   Have we made the decision then to officially move
  away from GTK? This
   was asked on the community list awhile ago, and
  IIRC there has been no
   official answer.
  
   Michael
  
   Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
  
   
as we are not shipping any gtk apps... not much
  of an issue at the moment. the
community is free to package up anything they
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Re: Shipping Specs for Freerunner (Was: Group Sales: U.S. Midwest area)

2008-05-02 Thread Geoff Ruscoe
Thank you Kevin!

That is really good news...

So by setting up a Midwest group we're really just making freerunner friends
near by!

Well that sounds great.  So I guess the best reason for a local 10 pack is
being able to all meet and open up the box and not wait for it to be shipped
again.

Well I'm stoked!



On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 8:57 PM, Paul Buede [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 If you are in Frederick, join our Maryland purchase group, I am 30
 minutes from you.

 Kevin Dean wrote:
  Okay, so I just did some number crunching using the information Steve
  gave and honestly, there's no reason at all the 10-packs need to be
  broken up by region.
 
  It costs $14.40 to ship a 10-pack from Fremont, CA to Frederick, MD
  where I live (which is pretty close to across the country).
 
  $3,690 + $14.40 = 3704.4 delivered or $370.44 per phone before shipping.
 
  Here's the beautiful thing. Shipping a single unit (from a 10 pack)
  back, from Frederick, MD to Fremont, CA is $9.95 by UPS Ground which
  would bring the total cost per unit to $380.39.
 
  Assuming that Openmoko's Fremont shipping place is NOT getting a
  volume discount then the savings over a single unit would be $28.56 if
  shipped ACROSS COUNTRY both ways.
 
  For fun, I decided what it would cost to ship the unit from home to
  work (as might be done if buying regionally) in Alexandria, VA. The
  diffrerence in shipping is barely noticable, that a shipment of less
  than 60 miles makes it less than $2 cheaper.
 
  The point is, I horribly overestimated UPS shipping costs and there's
  actually quite a bit of savings from going in on a 10-pack. That said,
  I also discovered that doing regional purchases doesn't save much
  money over doing national purchases. Guys in groups falling short
  could easily pick up a small group across the country and cash in on
  the bulk savings. People picking up their phones (perhaps at a LUG
  meet) can even score an extra $8 to $10 savings over having it
  shipped.
 
  Neat. :)
 
  On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 6:02 PM, Kevin Dean [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
 
  That's quite useful, thanks!
 
 
 
   On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 5:57 PM, Tomas Di Domenico 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think this is what  you're looking for:
   
   
 http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-April/016379.html
   
   
   
 On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 6:37 PM, Geoff Ruscoe 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Its on community for April ... Not sure I remember which thread.
 
 
 
  On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 5:32 PM, Kevin Dean 
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   On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 5:27 PM, Steven Kurylo 
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  wrote:
  
 If you search the archives, Steve already gave us the specs
 so you
 could do this.
  
   Can you drop any more hints on where specifically to find this?
 I'm
   subscribed to all of the Openmoko lists except kernel-dev and
 even
   considering that I know it came from Steve, that's a lot of
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Group Sales: U.S. Midwest area

2008-05-01 Thread Geoff Ruscoe
Hey if we are going to get the discount for an order of ten, it looks like
we are going to have to combine some groups.

I noticed that Tennessee, Viriginia, Kentucky, and Indiana still don't get
us to 10, but its closer.  Anythoughts?
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Re: Group Sales: U.S. Midwest area

2008-05-01 Thread Geoff Ruscoe
Excellent.  I think that would get us up to 9.  If everyone is interested in
joining together.

I would like to get this figured out so we are ready when the neo is
released!

-Geoff



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wrote:

 You could add in Iowa.  I think there's two interested from
 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_Iowa-Ames

 -Steven

 On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 9:01 AM, Geoff Ruscoe [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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  Hey if we are going to get the discount for an order of ten, it looks
 like
  we are going to have to combine some groups.
 
  I noticed that Tennessee, Viriginia, Kentucky, and Indiana still don't
 get
  us to 10, but its closer.  Anythoughts?
 
 
 
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Re: Group Sales: U.S. Midwest area

2008-05-01 Thread Geoff Ruscoe
Should we create a midwest group or something?



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 I'll be the 10th for the Midwest group buy. I'm in Cincinnati.

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Re: Group Sales: U.S. Midwest area

2008-05-01 Thread Geoff Ruscoe
Yes that is exactly the group page I was talking about.

I have added a Midwest section just above the Indiana / Kentucky section.

If everyone can move their own name to it from their respective sections so
we can see where we're at.

Thanks everyone!



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wrote:

 We could use this page: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GroupSales

 -Steven

 On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 12:16 PM, Geoff Ruscoe [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
  Should we create a midwest group or something?
 
 
 
 
 
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   I'll be the 10th for the Midwest group buy. I'm in Cincinnati.
  
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Re: Our new Main page of wiki

2008-05-01 Thread Geoff Ruscoe
Uhhhmm, yes that was very offensive (I can't speak for Brenda) but
definitely offensive...

But only between the
It's not just the titles that are awkward
and the
a little ridiculous

So I wouldn't take it personally.



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 It's not just the titles that are awkward, all the text sounds kind of
 awkward. Brenda, don't be offended at this, but your first language is
 not English is it? Perhaps you should leave the content of the
 consumer-facing pages (at least, the ones that are in english) to
 someone who has English intuition. I know, Openmoko is supposed to be
 about Openness, but this is a little ridiculous.

 On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 11:24 PM, Brenda Wang [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
  Here is the design environment I used.
   Attached file is the the look of main page design.
   My resolution is 1024*768
   Under Windows XP IE 6.0, Mac salaries  will look like the attached
  file.(1024*768 windows )
   Under Linux Firefox 2.0.0.13/Mac  Firefox 3.1, the  title  will turn to
  black. (My setting is use the default color)
   The wiki skin I used is Openmoko (default).
 
   Brenda
 
 
 
   Flemming Richter Mikkelsen wrote:
 
   On 4/18/08, Bastian Muck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1
   
Too big? Which resolution do you use? 300x200? Ok, with 1920x1200
 many
things can be too small (specially flash videos and fixed sized hps)
 but
  I
think this is also in an usual resolution too small.The solution to
 make
  it
bigger at my browser is not the right way i think. Many people don't
  have
good eyes and they should also can read the menu.
   
   
   
  
   This is a compromise between too big and including people which use
   too high resolution. If you have this big resolution, and you don't
   have any problems on other web pages, you don't have a problem here,
   right?
  
   Adjusting the font size is easy (ctrl-+), except if you use IE (you
   have to go on View - Text size - Largest if you use IE).
  
   Some people use special glasses when they use the computer... you
   cannot expect this wiki to use 24pt text. People like to see more than
   just a few words at a time. I want to see the whole page without
   horizontal scrolling and the whole index table without vertical
   scrolling. I think I am not the only one.
  
   I do not have larger resolution that 800x600 here (very little
   screen), and really hate too large fonts.
  
   That is just my opinion.
  
  
  
 
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Re: Group Sales: U.S. Midwest area

2008-05-01 Thread Geoff Ruscoe
I'm all for a Kentucky Group, but most importantly I want to make sure we
all get packages of 10 together.

If we can get 10 for Kentucky that's fine, but if we get 8 or 9 then its not
:-).

However if we can start at least by getting our midwest together and then
start splitting off... I'm not sure what the best approach is, I just know
that when they go on sale I want to have the 10 pack that I'm on figured out
so that we're good to go immediately.

So whether that's Kentucky or Mid West or I help organize Mid-West and then
switch back to Kentucky --  I don't mid at all.

Cheers!


On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 4:16 PM, Dan Staley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Like I mentioned before, I actually have a group of 4 here at the
 University of Kentucky that want to buy.  And I believe that Donnie
 Jones said that he also was at this University and was interested.  That
 makes 5 in Lexington, Ky.  Sorry they are not all on the list, I will
 try to get them to put their names on there.  (Dan Staley and John
 Sterling are the 2 names currently on there from my group)

 But anyway, if 5 more people from around the Kentucky area want to join
 up, we wouldn't have to spread out all across the midwest...

 -Dan Staley


 On Thu, 2008-05-01 at 13:52 -0400, Geoff Ruscoe wrote:
  Yes that is exactly the group page I was talking about.
 
  I have added a Midwest section just above the Indiana / Kentucky
  section.
 
  If everyone can move their own name to it from their respective
  sections so we can see where we're at.
 
  Thanks everyone!
 
 
 
  On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 1:40 PM, Steven ** montgoss
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  We could use this page:
  http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GroupSales
 
  -Steven
 
 
  On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 12:16 PM, Geoff Ruscoe
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Should we create a midwest group or something?
  
  
  
  
  
   On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 12:28 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: Shipping Specs for Freerunner (Was: Group Sales: U.S. Midwest area)

2008-05-01 Thread Geoff Ruscoe
They have provided the specs in a different email stream.

But don't forgot you're going to have to pay for the shipping for an
individual item from CA if you order a single.

And there are extras when you or 10 together.



On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 5:18 PM, Kevin Dean [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I notice that certain groups in the USA are consolidating for 10-pack
 purchases. Unfortunately, some of the regions being covered are bigger
 than some entire nations in Europe. While I can't be sure this is the
 case, I can't help but think that joining in a regional 10-pack ONLY
 works if it costs LESS to ship or pick-up your device.

 Are there any size or weight dimensions known about the Freerunner
 packages? How much will the 10-pack weigh? How much will a single
 using weight?

 Assuming you found 10 people to each chip in for a 10 pack you'd get a
 Freerunner for $369 USD and save $30 USD. This assumes that the person
 getting the Freerunners doesn't charge you to ship it, doesn't charge
 a handling fee, doesn't screw you out of your money. If shipping is
 $10 then that drops your savings to $20. If (like I suspect) the
 Freerunner SINGLE unit costs about $20 USD to ship via UPS your
 savings really drops to about $10 over buying directly from Openmoko.

 Openmoko guys! Can you give us the specs so that those interested in
 bulk purchases can figure out the logistics of shipping versus
 individual sales and then factor that into the regions that will be
 used to organize bulk purchases?

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Re: Shipping Specs for Freerunner (Was: Group Sales: U.S. Midwest area)

2008-05-01 Thread Geoff Ruscoe
Its on community for April ... Not sure I remember which thread.

On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 5:32 PM, Kevin Dean [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 5:27 PM, Steven Kurylo [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:

   If you search the archives, Steve already gave us the specs so you
   could do this.

 Can you drop any more hints on where specifically to find this? I'm
 subscribed to all of the Openmoko lists except kernel-dev and even
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Re: Engineering Driven vs. Community Driven (was Re: Ugliness)

2008-04-28 Thread Geoff Ruscoe
And to be completely frank about about, I've found the tone of this thread
the ugliest thing going on!

I'm happy with just getting this phone so I can start developing for it, and
I've found most of the push on this thread extremely negative and
unproductive.  I would guess that's why a private thread was suggested.
Then that gets turned into an ugly mess as well.

If we have to prioritize to not clog up the list, then right now the focus
should be on getting these devices shipped.  Discussion about future models
is fine, but the whole premise of me and my friends this thing are ugly, is
purely unproductive.

I hope we can just move on and let this thread die.

Heres to the great job everyone has been doing.  Can't wait to get a
FreeRunner and take part!

Sincerely,
Geoff




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wrote:

 hank williams wrote:

  I have to say my unvoiced thoughts were the same as Ryan's. I was not at
  all clear why a call for the community to help figure marketing stuff out
  would be met by a request to take the discussion off list as though it was
  somehow inappropriate for public discussion. It seemed like a very strange
  response. Now reading the responses to Ryan's comments seem even more
  strange. I feel like I am missing something because the responses to Ryan's
  comments seem on the surface, inappropriate as well.
 

 Me too!


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Re: Shipping questions, customer organized distribution in Europe

2008-04-27 Thread Geoff Ruscoe
I'm a little confused.

Are you saying to order 1 phone to the US we will have to pay $70 for
shipping?  That is so expensive!  We need to make sure everyone is aware of
this, because we must order the 10 packs.  I have posted for the Indiana /
Kentucky 10 pack.

So if we were to order a 10 pack it would be $160 shipping right?  So $16 /
phone.  So we would get a $30 or $40 discount on the phone and then a $54
discount on the shipping.

Am I putting this together correctly?  You were talking about shipping to
the U.S. right?

I say this because I noticed on one line you said to California and on
another line I saw shipping with UPS from the US.

Can you clarify so we can make sure we get our 10 people together.

Thanks!


On Sun, Apr 27, 2008 at 1:56 PM, steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Lots of questions.



 Let me see if I can help with some basics.



 We ship a 10 Pack  to Fremont California.



 Dimensions are  435mm x 371mm x 119mm

 I think the weight is on the order of 3kilo. An individual box weighs 237
 gm.



 The individual box is dimensioned thusly. 178mm  x 104mm x 84mm



 just doing a quick check from UPS the shipment from the US for a single
 phone would be on the order of 70 USD

 For 10 phones the bulk is on the order of 160USD, which mean 16USD per
 customer.



 I picked a random EU city to just get a sense of things.



 EU hub will happen in due course. When the costs of hubbing in the EU
 benefit our end users.



 Steve






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 In preparation for The Big Day, I have some questions about how the
 shipping from OpenMoko will work.

 How much does one package (with a single phone) weigh (approximately)?
 What will its dimensions be?

 There's been talk about a hub in Europe, has that idea been scrubbed? IF
 not, will it be in place in time for the first shipments?

 When ordering directly from OpenMoko to Europe, how much will shipping
 cost for a 10-pack? Would that package come from the US, China or Taiwan
 (just curious)? How much would shipping be for 24 10-packs (approximately
 235 phones have been noted for Europe on the Community purchase wiki page)?

 If OpenMoko doesn't set up a hub in Europe, I wonder if it would make
 sense for us consumers to do our own hub-like distribution. Using prices
 from the Swedish postal service (which is probably not one of the cheapest
 in Europe), if a single phone package weighs between 500 g and 1 kg, it
 would cost €24 to send as an insured letter to other European countries. Not
 all that expensive, I think.

 Distribution would probably be even less expensive if we order one package
 to the country in Europe with the lowest postal rates (maybe combined with a
 low VAT), then ship phones to one person in each country in the city/region
 with most buyers, who then posts them domestically to each buyer in other
 parts of his country, and maybe hands them out to buyers in his own city.

 The biggest difficulty would probably be that this would involve a lot of
 money (over 50 kEUR), and increase the trust required for all this to work.
 How much we would save on the shipping would be a factor involved in whether
 this would be worth the trouble.

 Buying directly from OpenMoko would probably not provide us with a
 particularly good guarantee, so some European buyers might prefer to buy
 from European resellers.

 If we could get the shipping costs (which should be known by now?), we
 could do some calculations.

 /Erland

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Re: Shipping questions, customer organized distribution in Europe

2008-04-27 Thread Geoff Ruscoe
Thanks so much for the clarification --  I guess I missed that!

So it sounds like the $399 includes shipping to Freemont, CA?  We're
responsible for shipping from there?

And how appropriate that the openmoko neo freerunner goes to Freemont!

I am so excited about this phone I just can't stand it!

Cheers to you all!


On Sun, Apr 27, 2008 at 3:06 PM, Erland Lewin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Thanks for the quick answer, Steve.

 2008/4/27 steve [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

  just doing a quick check from UPS the shipment from the US [to Europe]
  for a single phone would be on the order of 70 USD
 
  For 10 phones the bulk is on the order of 160USD, which mean 16USD per
  customer.
 
 Could you offer shipping by the US Postal Service? Looking at their
 website, I see that for instance, they have a service called 'Express Mail
 International' that would cost $28 for a single phone, with a delivery time
 in 6 days to Sweden, and a service called 'Priority Mail International'
 which would cost $19 for delivery in 6-10 days.

 The same services would be $51 for a 10-pack with delivery in 6 days, or
 $35-40 for delivery in 6-10 days.

 I'm sure many customers would prefer saving, say $50 on the shipping of a
 single phone, or $120 for a 10-pack even if delivery takes an extra week
 (even if we're all anxious to get our phones).

 Geoff: I was asking about shipment to Europe. I think Steve mentioned
 shipping to Freemont, CA because he was saying that all phones are shipped
 from China to Freemont directly first, and then to wherever the customer is.

 /Erland



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Kentucky / Indiana Group Order

2008-04-25 Thread Geoff Ruscoe
Anyone from around here interested in getting a group order together?
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Re: Kentucky / Indiana Group Order

2008-04-25 Thread Geoff Ruscoe
Louisville, KY

On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 2:49 PM, Joseph Jon Booker [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 09:16:09 -0400
 Geoff Ruscoe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Anyone from around here interested in getting a group order together?

 Where in IN/KY are you guys? Is Chicago too far away for this group?

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