Re: FreeTSM30/FreeCalypso project started
On 02/15/13 10:16, Michael Spacefalcon wrote: I am glad you have changed your MUA Nope, no changes there. I assume that was sarcasm since your MUA isn't correctly adding In-Reply-To, or it's operator error. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FreeTSM30/FreeCalypso project started
On 02/14/13 12:40, Michael Spacefalcon wrote: snip Oh, anybody said glamo? You mean this: $ hostname ifctfvax.Harhan.ORG $ ls -l /pub/GSM/GTA02/Glamo total 2808 -rw-r--r-- 1 msokolov 248664 Oct 20 2011 Glamo_3362_CmdQ_Spec1.pdf -rw-r--r-- 1 msokolov 1919990 Oct 20 2011 Glamo_3362_Datasheet_V1.0-Full.pdf -rw-r--r-- 1 msokolov 147740 Oct 20 2011 Glamo_3365_2D_Engine_Spec_v1.0.pdf -rw-r--r-- 1 msokolov 390670 Oct 20 2011 Glamo_3365_3D_Engine_Spec_v1.0.pdf -rw-r--r-- 1 msokolov 102131 Oct 20 2011 Glamo_3365_MPEG_Engine_Spec_v1.0.pdf Available via anonymous FTP, as usual. I think he meant: http://people.openmoko.org/sean/datasheets/glamo3362/ which is the released (with permission from SMedia) documentation from openmoko. I'm guessing the ones you have are the leaked versions? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FreeTSM30/FreeCalypso project started
On 02/13/2013 09:13 PM, Michael Spacefalcon wrote: Hello ex-Openmoko community, The purpose of this announcement is to let everyone interested know that my effort to liberate the original, fully functional (non-OsmocomBB) firmware for the Calypso GSM baseband (as found in Closedmoko GTA0[12] smartphones and many simpler feature phones) has not been abandoned. While I think the project you're working on is great, you come off sounding petty using terms like Closedmoko. I /still/ don't think any open hardware phone has come out without some kind of NDA attached to some part (I could be wrong.) OpenMoko was about four years ahead of the curve in even trying. IMO they deserve a bit more respect for what they were able to accomplish. Is short, name calling isn't befitting. I wish you all the best to be successful in your project, but next time a bit more tact would be appreciated. Lacking the source or even semi-source for the specific version of the Calypso GSM firmware that was used by the Closedmoko company (FIC), I am taking the alternate approach: starting from the already-liberated version of the same Purplelabs GSM stack for a different Calypso phone (TSM30, aka SPT2C platform), and seeking to back-port it to the Leonardo (reference board for basic Calypso phone designs) and to the GTA02 GSM modem. Specifically, I have just made the first successful step on that long journey: I have successfully recompiled the Calypso GSM firmware image from HispaPhreak's source code release, and done so without resorting to a Windows machine or VM - using Wine version 1.5.23 under Slackware Linux version 13.37. Of course it still targets TSM30 hardware, so don't even think about flashing it into a GTA02, but it's just the first step of an exciting journey ahead. Previously I kept saying that HispaPhreak's TSM30 release *seemed* to be the complete source for the GSM stack running on the Calypso, but now we know that it actually *is* complete - yay! I am doing this work in a Mercurial source control repository, and of course I share it freely with the world. Until I get my new Solaris ZFS-based server up, I have temporarily hosted the Hg repository here: http://www.harhan.com/Hg/FreeTSM30/ The README file at the top of the Hg source tree summarizes what has been done before me, what I have done, and what I plan to do next. The ultimate goal of this project is to back-port the code to run on the GTA02 Calypso, producing a new GSM firmware image that comes as close as possible to the original Closedmoko one, but is fully built from source, no binary blobs. Of course I am lucky to have a GTA02 unit, which has become a rare privilege now that the stock has apparently been exhausted. To those who don't have a GTA02, desire one, but can't get one because of the discontinued production and stock exhaustion: don't despair yet! After we are done liberating the Purplelabs Calypso firmware and getting it to run on Leonardo/GTA0x platforms (not SPT2C/TSM30), we can then address the hardware shortage problem by building a new Calypso-based phone motherboard - essentially do what Golden Delicious did, but instead of going to that UMTS modem, keep the Calypso. My FTP site already has the complete schematics for the Leonardo board (TI's reference design for a Calypso phone), the PCB layout of the Calypso block can be recovered by sending a dead GTA02 board to a PCB reverse engineering shop (think pirate manufacturers), and I have some ideas as to how/where we may be able to obtain some Calypso chips and related components. But this is a topic for much much later - let's get the firmware liberated first, using our existing GTA02s. Just don't despair if you aren't one of the lucky GTA02 owners. Viva la Revolucion, Michael Spacefalcon, formerly Michael Sokolov ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Phoenux, Phoneux, Phonux?
On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 1:15 AM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com wrote: Linux is pronounced in english as Line-ugs (/ˈlɪnəks/ [1]). I.e. it should be phon-ugs. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux Just as an FYI from a native speaker, /ˈlɪnəks/ would be lin-əks With lin which sounds like bin or the proper name Lynn and the 'ə' having the same sound as the 'a' in about. It's also a 'k' sound (as in kind) here and not a 'g'. The linked wikidpedia article is quite helpful with mouse-over tooltips for the pronunciation for each letter in /ˈlɪnəks/ Thus, it would be phon-əks here by your reasoning. But because phoenux is just phoenix with the 'i' changed to a 'u', I'd pronounce it exactly the same way but with an 'ə' sound for the u. So based on the wikipedia's article: [2] pronunciation of phoenix: /ˈfiːnɪks/ I'd say phoenux would thus be: /ˈfiːnəks/ [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenix,_Arizona ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Phoenux, Phoneux, Phonux?
On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 3:57 PM, Jon maddog Hall mad...@li.org wrote: On Mon, 2012-06-11 at 15:30 -0500, Harley Laue wrote: On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 1:15 AM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com wrote: Linux is pronounced in english as Line-ugs (/ˈlɪnəks/ [1]). I.e. it should be phon-ugs. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux Just as an FYI from a native speaker, /ˈlɪnəks/ would be lin-əks With lin which sounds like bin or the proper name Lynn Except that Linus' name is pronounced 'Lee-nus', not Lin-us or Lie-nus. Therefore if the kernel was named after him, it would have been pronounced Lee-nux. As the various groups went back and forth with the pronunciations of Linux, Linus created a .au file (Ogg had not been developed yet) and put it in the kernel sources. You can listen to that audio file, converted to .ogg, at the Wikipedia site. Seemingly one of the vast numbers of people could say Lee-nux even with the audio file, so most either called it Lin-nux or Lie-nux. After a while Linus said I do not care what you call it as long as you use it. and things settled down for a while. One day, after Linus had moved to California and was working for Transmeta, I phoned him, and he answered the phone Lye-nus. I said Lea-nus that is not even your name. He said 'I know, but nobody in California can say Lea-nus, so I am Lye-nus'. And so it goes. While it is nice that everyone pronounce the name correctly, the most important thing is that they use your project, including being able to find it using a search engine. Warmest regards, maddog (all lower case, one word) I concede that you're right about Linus and Linux. The fact remains for phoenux would still hold since it's pronounced with the same long e sound as in Linus' name. So fee-nəks (or fee-nux) and not phon-ugs. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: ArchARM and FedoraARM ?
On 03/08/2012 11:19 AM, thomasg wrote: On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 17:17, elf Pavlikperpetual-trip...@wwelves.org wrote: Hello, On Raspberry Pi website i've noticed announcements of ArchLinux ARM and FedoraARM: http://archlinuxarm.org/ http://fedora-arm.blogspot.com/2009/11/fedora-arm-12-is-available.html Would they work on GTA02? In particular ArchLinux =) ~ elf Pavlik ~ Nope. No ARMv4 support. It's funny/sad because ArchArm absorbed ArchMobile (the first attempt at Arch Linux on an ARM devices, with the OpenMoko as the main target.) That said, it's likely still possible to rebuild the entire distro as ARMv4, but it'd take a bit of time/work. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Microtouch
On 02/07/2012 10:13 AM, Gay, John (GE Energy Services, Non-GE) wrote: Subject: Microtouch Just spotted on: http://blog.p2pfoundation.net Microtouch - The ultimate AVR-based iPhone killer! http://www.ladyada.net/products/microtouch/ SNIP Does anyone know how old this is? I've got ~$100 ready to buy it they get more in stock. The page says 3-5 days, but not when it was last updated. I hope the first batch wasn't the only batch. I'd really like to play with a$100 tablet. It looks like it was originally announced a little over a year ago (Jan 27, 2011.) http://www.adafruit.com/blog?s=microtouch is the blog search for posts related to the microtouch. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Re: New $200 tablet?
On Monday, January 30, 2012 11:36:37 PM Neil Jerram wrote: Gay, John (GE Energy Services, Non-GE) john@ge.com writes: http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2012/01/reveal.html I hope it will be capable of running mainline kernels and any GNU/Linux ecosystem software, not just KDE. I think Plasma Active looks pretty nice and interesting, and look forward to being able to try it, but all the same I hope this tablet will not be in some way _tied_ to KDE, or to a system image that only the manufacturer can provide. (cf. Maemo.) Neil A lot of the base questions that the list has had seem to be answered on the blog post today: http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2012/01/open-beyond-licensing.html The TL;DR version to your question: yes you can. For instance, the boot loader isn't locked so you can boot your own OS if you wish. You can install your own apps, you can even provide your own app delivery system. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New $200 tablet?
On 01/30/2012 06:41 AM, Gay, John (GE Energy Services, Non-GE) wrote: http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2012/01/reveal.html This look very interesting. Can't wait to get my hands on one. It does indeed look interesting, but it's not $200, it's EUR200 (at current exchange rates puts that at around 262 USD, a notable difference.) Anyways, it could definitely be a fun device to play with. :) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Re: New $200 tablet?
On Monday, January 30, 2012 09:18:09 PM Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: Am 30.01.2012 um 15:42 schrieb Patryk Benderz: [cut] This look very interesting. Can’t wait to get my hands on one. It is written 200 EURO, not dollars ($). Makes a difference. Most likely it is 200 EUR w/o taxes, WEEE and many other duties like warranties etc. And @ 1 Mio units :) Without calculating engineering cost (i.e. there will never be fixes, updates and upgrades). OpenPandora and GTA04 have both shown how difficult it is to get to a really low price in practice at limited volume. And OLPC also never did meet its goals (at least not within a short timeframe). It only works if someone heavily subsidizes each unit of a small batch and/or has the capital to kickstart the first really big batch. And there are also many examples how even big companies had to clear their stock at a dumping price to limit further financial loss. E.g. HP Touchpad. Or some model that already exists is tweaked to become a community device. But there will be no successor product and enough openness as many examples have shown. So let's see how they do it sustainably. Maybe they have found some trick, I would be happy to learn about :) Nikolaus From the blog post, it sounded like this is going to be the first device where they start with lower specs from an existing reference design (which others have pointed out go for as low as 70-100 Euro) with a higher price to then fund other devices. The line I'm thinking of specifically is Just as important: the proceeds will be helping fuel the efforts that make this all possible. Now, I have no idea how feasible this would end up being, as it likely largely depends upon descent sales and how much is profit. So, on one hand, it sounds like they're trying to get something to market quite quickly with an open source software stack (without any lock downs, a definite plus), but on the other hand, it is a lower spec machine (with no official ship date.) All in all, I'm cautiously optimistic this could be a good thing :) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QtMoko Thunderbird
On 12/22/2011 01:52 AM, Nashvin Gangaram wrote: Hi all Has anyone got Thunderbird or any mail client working on QtMoko? I basically use Thunderbird on my PC to store my mail offline (via IMAP) and access it. It would be cool to have this functionality on my Freerunner. :-) Thanks! - Nashvin There are a couple issues with Thunderbird making it very hard to get working on QtMoko (I'm going to talk specifically about the GTA02 hardware.) First, Firefox/Thunderbird aren't able to compile for ARMv4 processors. (Actually, it only support ARMv7.) So that's a big problem with getting Thunderbird working. Next, is there a mobile version of Thunderbird at all? How well is the interface it currently has translate to a small touch screen? I'm quite serious when I say that I think it'd be painful to try to use Thunderbird on the Freerunner. Lastly, if I'm not mistaken, the Qt backend was experimental for awhile, I think it was dropped for awhile, and may have some interest again with people working on it. In any case, I don't think the Qt interface is in proper working order (I could be wrong.) This would make the application run as an X application with GTK. This isn't as huge of a deal, besides it consuming more resources. Speaking of resources, I'd wager the Freerunner doesn't even have enough RAM to run Thunderbird, but this is just a guess. Anyways, as it currently is, I think it'd be a dead end for most people to try. That is, unless you have __A LOT__ of time to work on it. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
