Re: Windows CE on freerunner
On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 04:55:49PM +0100, Michael wrote: On 22/08/08 04:19:10, Vikas Saurabh wrote: Awesome details. I would definitely give it a try. Not intereseted in font blitting, so would stick to the morse code idea :). Would send out the details (and wiki them). You should try looking up some old ZX Spectrum assembly routines, because back in those days you had to write everything to the screen yourself and it should be similar to the hardware nowadays. I wouldn't use the Spectrum as a model -- it had a really weird non-linear frame buffer layout. In fact, none of the 8-bit micros' code would be much help, as they typically had 1 byte per pixel, rather than the more common 1-4 bytes per pixel of modern displays. IIRC, the Amiga also had strange display hardware, so I'd rule that one out as a model as well. :) Hugo. -- === Hugo Mills: [EMAIL PROTECTED] carfax.org.uk | darksatanic.net | lug.org.uk === PGP key: 515C238D from wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net or http://www.carfax.org.uk --- How do you become King? You stand in the marketplace and --- announce you're going to tax everyone. If you get out alive, you're King. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: numptyphysics
On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 01:46:44PM +0200, Michael Kluge wrote: Hi all, I just got compiled numptyphysics compiled for the FR and the game itself starts. Have not yet checked how to play it without Keyboard. Would be nice to have a fix for the landscape bug for the touchscreen to be able to play it :) Now what you need is to use the accelerometers to work out which way gravity should go on the simulation, and the vibrator to give haptic feedback when something lands with a thump... Hugo. -- === Hugo Mills: [EMAIL PROTECTED] carfax.org.uk | darksatanic.net | lug.org.uk === PGP key: 515C238D from wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net or http://www.carfax.org.uk --- It's not so much an afterlife, more a sort of apres vie. --- signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: WIKI still a POS
On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 07:11:01AM -0600, Scott wrote: The OM Wiki is still a prime example of 'How not to do a Wiki. a few easy example on the main page. Well, it *is* a wiki... feel free to fix it. Hugo. -- === Hugo Mills: [EMAIL PROTECTED] carfax.org.uk | darksatanic.net | lug.org.uk === PGP key: 515C238D from wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net or http://www.carfax.org.uk --- I must be musical: I've got *loads* of CDs --- signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Terminal for ASU
On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 09:30:03AM +0200, arne anka wrote: anyway, what raster tries to say, imho, is: do not bother _him_ with your criticism but the designers themselves -- saying he's only the programmer makes imo sufficiently clear that he's not teh one to make that decistions and as he wrote before his opinion is not taken in account. so, if you want to have it changed, bother the design department. The problem here is that we can't, because the design department don't seem to be engaging at all. We don't know who they are, and they don't seem to be listening to the discussions on this list. Hugo. -- === Hugo Mills: [EMAIL PROTECTED] carfax.org.uk | darksatanic.net | lug.org.uk === PGP key: 515C238D from wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net or http://www.carfax.org.uk --- In my day, we didn't have fancy high numbers. We had --- nothing, one, twain and multitudes. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: In the press. The OpenMoko wiki - a tangled pile of mostly outdated and incomplete documentation.
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 03:29:11PM -0500, Steven ** wrote: I'll tell you explicitly. Go ahead. It's a wiki! If anyone doesn't like your change, they can easily see the history and revert it. Or just clean up your change however they like. That's what makes the wiki so powerful. If they didn't want you to edit it, I'm pretty sure they could lock it down so that you can't. The fact that they haven't seems to mean they aren't worried regular users might edit it. My local LUG set up a wiki several years ago. So many people were afraid of editing the wiki, eliciting the response, Well, it *is* a wiki..., that we eventually had people turning up to meetings with the phrase printed on their t-shirts. Hugo. -- === Hugo Mills: [EMAIL PROTECTED] carfax.org.uk | darksatanic.net | lug.org.uk === PGP key: 515C238D from wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net or http://www.carfax.org.uk --- I must be musical: I've got *loads* of CDs --- signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: In the press. The OpenMoko wiki - a tangled pile of mostly outdated and incomplete documentation.
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 06:23:39PM -0700, steve wrote: The issue is the wiki grows like a weed. On one hand this is great since information just get posted. On the other hand this rhapsodic construction is difficult to navigate. So... Solutions welcomed. This is what the wiki editors are for: if someone puts something in the wrong place, they move it to a more suitable one. It'll just take a little time to work out what the right places should be. Hugo. -- === Hugo Mills: [EMAIL PROTECTED] carfax.org.uk | darksatanic.net | lug.org.uk === PGP key: 515C238D from wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net or http://www.carfax.org.uk --- I must be musical: I've got *loads* of CDs --- signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: In the press
On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 05:27:31PM +, Curtis Vaughan wrote: Since Ken really liked OpenWRT's Wiki, I looked at it and see they use MoinMoin. So, I am willing to set up MoinMoin on a server to be used as an FR community wiki. The quality of a wiki has little to do with the Wiki engine on which it runs. It is far more to do with having a highly proactive group of wiki editors, who between them read every single change made to the wiki, and can make suitable cross-references, indexes, corrections, updates and so forth to ensure that the content is easy to find, read and use. If you don't have such a group of people (and I'm not talking about OpenMoko employees here), it doesn't matter what wiki engine you use, or what website you have, your wiki won't go anywhere useful. Hugo. -- === Hugo Mills: [EMAIL PROTECTED] carfax.org.uk | darksatanic.net | lug.org.uk === PGP key: 515C238D from wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net or http://www.carfax.org.uk --- I must be musical: I've got *loads* of CDs --- signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!
On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 04:50:50PM -0500, Robert Horton wrote: Thanks for all this fast testing and great work. I was worried when there was silence. I suspect that a large chunk of the silence was down to the fact that the OpenMoko people are in California, so they wouldn't have got to work until 6pm EST... Add in some lead time for coffee, doughnuts, reading the masses of emails from this list and others, filtering the reports into something sane, and I think they've done pretty damn well to get a plausible fix out of the door inside a day. Hugo. -- === Hugo Mills: [EMAIL PROTECTED] carfax.org.uk | darksatanic.net | lug.org.uk === PGP key: 515C238D from wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net or http://www.carfax.org.uk --- I am but mad north-north-west: when the wind is southerly, I --- know a hawk from a handsaw. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Hampshire group buy
All - It seems that the 900MHz version of the phone won't be available from the OM shop for at least a couple of weeks (see [1]). However, Pulster are now selling 10 packs for EUR 2990, including taxes and shipping. This works out at about UKP 240 a phone -- probably a little more expensive than getting from the USA, *but* you get the full 2-year warranty, and they're available right now. Also, I've only got 7 people (bcc'd) who've said they're interested in the Hampshire group purchase. Unless we get 10 people, I can't do anything, so this is a call for further people to sign up. Finally, I'm not actually buying mine in this transaction, as it's coming through an alternative route (for various complicated reasons). Therefore if anyone wants to take up the effort of organising this group purchase, please let me know. Hugo. [1] http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-July/020981.html -- === Hugo Mills: [EMAIL PROTECTED] carfax.org.uk | darksatanic.net | lug.org.uk === PGP key: 515C238D from wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net or http://www.carfax.org.uk --- Comic Sans goes into a bar, and the barman says, We don't --- serve your type here. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: When will the sale of GSM 900 start?
On Wed, Jul 09, 2008 at 08:29:40PM +0200, Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote: Alexander Frøyseth wrote: you meen 369 USD ? Well, yes but he's including also 2 years of warranty and extra goodies. Well it isent my call, but I the the group leader will agree with me on this. If you're in Europe, I think that buying from USA isn't so cheap since there are high import taxes and you don't have any warranty. Import of mobile phones from the USA to the UK is zero-rated for import duty. You still have to pay VAT (at 17.5%) on the goods and shipping, but that's it. Hugo. -- === Hugo Mills: [EMAIL PROTECTED] carfax.org.uk | darksatanic.net | lug.org.uk === PGP key: 515C238D from wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net or http://www.carfax.org.uk --- He's playing Schubert. I think Schubert is losing. --- signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: External Cell Antenna
On Tue, Jul 08, 2008 at 09:20:17PM +0200, Joerg Reisenweber wrote: The GSM-antenna connector is near hole and near one of the two screws, inside of Neo. You see when opening back-lid. Is there a standardised connection for such things? Can I buy anything describing itself as a GPS antenna, or would I have to find/modify a specific model? Hugo. -- === Hugo Mills: [EMAIL PROTECTED] carfax.org.uk | darksatanic.net | lug.org.uk === PGP key: 515C238D from wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net or http://www.carfax.org.uk --- Well, sir, the floor is yours. But remember, the --- roof is ours! signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Hampshire group purchase
Regarding the HantsLUG Freerunner bulk buy at [1]: I've just dropped myself off the list, due to unforseen circumstances (someone's already bought me one). If someone else wants to take over organising the bulk buy, then I'm not going to complain. However, if nobody else is willing to step up to the crease, I'm still willing to organise it. I've spoken to HMRC, and phones are zero-rated for import duty. We would still have to pay VAT on the phones themselves and on shipping, though. Shipping to the UK is $187.07. So: 10 Pack:$3690.00 Shipping: $ 187.07 Subtotal: $3877.07£1938.54 VAT:£ 339.24 Total: £2277.78 Per phone: £ 227.78 If you're going to want me to post it to you, add a bit more for PP. Note that the warranty on the phones from the USA is a mere 28 days DOA, which may affect your willingness to use this method. Note also that the GSM900 version of the phone, which is optimal for the UK and Europe, is currently sold out. There's no word on when they'll be in stock (but I guess not too long now, and probably faster than we can sort out money transfers). If you're signed up for the bulk order of Freerunners at [1], could you please mail me, [EMAIL PROTECTED], to confirm (or deny) your continued interest, and I'll get back to you with bank details. Hugo. [1] http://www.hants.lug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?FreerunnerBulkBuy -- === Hugo Mills: [EMAIL PROTECTED] carfax.org.uk | darksatanic.net | lug.org.uk === PGP key: 515C238D from wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net or http://www.carfax.org.uk --- Is it true that last known good on Windows XP --- boots into CP/M? signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Fwd: [ ~102731 ] voice driver
On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 11:15:01AM +1000, Matt Flax wrote: HI there, Just letting you all know that it seems the idea of using a pci express voice modem with the openmoko software will be limited by the manufacturers. They appear to not be interested in supporting communities of users but rather individual business clients ... I quote them : openmoko.org can contact us directly if they wish to work with us. So: - Put a page on the Openmoko wiki about your project - Hello, remember me? I'm from the X project at openmoko.org, and we're trying to set up official support for your hardware on this platform. At the very least, you should get out of them a list of requirements that they need in order for you to work with them (NDA, money, incorporation, single point of contact...) Hugo. -- === Hugo Mills: [EMAIL PROTECTED] carfax.org.uk | darksatanic.net | lug.org.uk === PGP key: 515C238D from wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net or http://www.carfax.org.uk --- Great oxymorons of the world, no. 2: Common Sense --- signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Why not use forum
On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 09:21:46AM +0200, arne anka wrote: On Fri, 13 Jun 2008 03:46:12 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Also i do not know if rss has thread processing ? i don't think so, but considering how many mails are out-of-thread (i see a lot of them, when i switch to thread view), i am not sure whether it is a such a shortcoming. The version of mutt I use has a patch (it's in Debian) that allows you to break threads, and to reconnect broken ones. On the odd occasion where I care about following a thread, it's come out very useful. Hugo. -- === Hugo Mills: [EMAIL PROTECTED] carfax.org.uk | darksatanic.net | lug.org.uk === PGP key: 515C238D from wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net or http://www.carfax.org.uk --- To an Englishman, 100 miles is a long way; to an American, --- 100 years is a long time. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Why not use forum?
On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 03:30:39PM +, Leonti Bielski wrote: Hi! I was wondering - why are we not using forum for community? It's much better to view, you can subscribe and unsubscribe to the topics you want and etc. The main Personally I don't like mailing list because it's not that comfortable and I can see no advatages of using mailing list instead of forum? Can anyone explain to me why we can't install I can see no advantages of using a forum instead of a mailing list. Forums are, in my opinion, a far *worse* system for tracking multiple topics and threads of conversation than mailing lists. With a mailing list, I can trivially search the whole archive, rearrange all the posts by pretty much any criterion I choose to pick, read only new posts without having to search for them, and I get far better and clearer threading support in my mail client than in any forum I've ever seen. I also don't have to wait while my web browser loads the page to see the next post (or thread, or whatever). I've never managed to maintain any interest or engagement in a project where the primary interaction with the project is via forums. It's just too much hard work to make it worthwhile for me. Hugo. -- === Hugo Mills: [EMAIL PROTECTED] carfax.org.uk | darksatanic.net | lug.org.uk === PGP key: 515C238D from wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net or http://www.carfax.org.uk --- There's many a slip 'twixt wicket-keeper and gully. --- signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QVGA V/s VGA for GTA03 (was something about yummy CPU-GPU combos!)
On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 07:57:13AM +0800, Carsten Haitzler wrote: the day the design mockups for the ui i see stop having alpha transparency is the day i make this unimportant. until that day, your i don't care about this is the kind of opinion that i also am not interested in, because i am being shown ui designs hat REQUIRE it in the long run between windows, and in the short term is being faked with software within windows. i am just trying to make something possible that is being requested, and has been for a long time. not just say i don't care. So how do we go about persuading _those_ people that such high-effort, low-return UI designs are a bad thing? Who should be in this particular conversation, so that we don't put you in the position of fending off people on both sides? (When I speak of low return, I mean low return in terms of usability -- you don't make user interfaces more usable by adding more transparency, more rounded corners, and drop shadows, particularly on restricted-size interfaces.) Hugo. -- === Hugo Mills: [EMAIL PROTECTED] carfax.org.uk | darksatanic.net | lug.org.uk === PGP key: 515C238D from wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net or http://www.carfax.org.uk --- There's many a slip 'twixt wicket-keeper and gully. --- signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: London Groupsales
On Thu, Jun 05, 2008 at 09:00:35PM +0100, Andy Selby wrote: I was going to sign up with the London groupbuy, but nobody has asserted themselves to be the main purchaser. HantsLUG's groupbuy is a more attractive prospect because it is organized through an existing LUG and includes notable people such as Andy Smith and Alan Pope so there's less chance of them running off with your money. It should be pointed out that neither Andy nor Alan has volunteered to do anything with the Hants group buy other than buy their phones. I'm the one doing the organisation. They're purely acting as users on this one. However, if I steal their money (and/or yours), they know where I live and can break my fingers until I give it back... :) Hugo. -- === Hugo Mills: [EMAIL PROTECTED] carfax.org.uk | darksatanic.net | lug.org.uk === PGP key: 515C238D from wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net or http://www.carfax.org.uk --- Geek, n.: Circus sideshow performer specialising in the --- eating of live animals. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: UK Distribution
On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 12:43:46PM +0100, Alastair Johnson wrote: On 22 May 2008, at 22:29, Hugo Mills wrote: On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 05:05:47PM +0100, Alastair Johnson wrote: I was going to post this under the European Distribution thread but it seems to have drifted off topic. Shameless self-promotion follows... We will be selling the Freerunner in the UK. The details are still being worked out, but if you register we will keep you updated as things change. https://www.truebox.co.uk/trueboxportal/index.php?wk=OpenMoko One thing that's unclear is whether the European distributors, such as yourselves, will be selling the 10-packs as well as single phones, or whether those are only coming from OpenMoko in the USA. Are you able to give an answer to this question at this point? Things are unclear at the moment, as you say. When we have some solid details we will post an update. In the meantime I would rather not speculate. That's good. I'd rather see this kind of answer than oh yes, it's all fine, and then be disappointed later. I'll go back to lurking in my darkened corner again now and await further news... Thanks, Hugo. -- === Hugo Mills: [EMAIL PROTECTED] carfax.org.uk | darksatanic.net | lug.org.uk === PGP key: 515C238D from wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net or http://www.carfax.org.uk --- We believe in free will because we have no choice. --- signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: UK Distribution
On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 05:05:47PM +0100, Alastair Johnson wrote: I was going to post this under the European Distribution thread but it seems to have drifted off topic. Shameless self-promotion follows... We will be selling the Freerunner in the UK. The details are still being worked out, but if you register we will keep you updated as things change. https://www.truebox.co.uk/trueboxportal/index.php?wk=OpenMoko One thing that's unclear is whether the European distributors, such as yourselves, will be selling the 10-packs as well as single phones, or whether those are only coming from OpenMoko in the USA. Are you able to give an answer to this question at this point? Hugo. -- === Hugo Mills: [EMAIL PROTECTED] carfax.org.uk | darksatanic.net | lug.org.uk === PGP key: 515C238D from wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net or http://www.carfax.org.uk --- There's more than one way to do it is not a commandment. It --- is a dire warning. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner games
On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 03:41:18PM -0700, steve wrote: ya etch a sketch was one that we have talked about. Too many ideas, Reminds me of a Dilbert cartoon... he tells the Pointy-Haired Boss to reset his laptop by turning it upside-down and shaking it. Hugo. -- === Hugo Mills: [EMAIL PROTECTED] carfax.org.uk | darksatanic.net | lug.org.uk === PGP key: 515C238D from wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net or http://www.carfax.org.uk --- Some days, it's just not worth gnawing through the straps. --- signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner...when??
On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 08:05:20PM +0200, Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote: steve wrote: Yes, A Sunday preview of my Monday update. Am I wrong or we didn't get any Monday update this week? :P Something more than a preview, Steve? :) Pulling up the carrot again? :) Hugo. -- === Hugo Mills: [EMAIL PROTECTED] carfax.org.uk | darksatanic.net | lug.org.uk === PGP key: 515C238D from wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net or http://www.carfax.org.uk --- Are you the man who rules the Universe? Well, I --- try not to. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Caffeine (was: Re: Alarmclock puzzle (Slightly OT)) (very OT)
On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 09:36:58AM -0700, Michael Shiloh wrote: Years ago I imagined such a pill with a known delay (e.g. the time it would take for the outer casing to dissolve). Pills would be available with different delays (different thickness of casing). Thus, you would take a caffeine tablet with say an 8 hour delay and go to sleep. 8 hours later you would awake feeling alert and refreshed, and as if you'd already had your morning coffee. Nice idea, for the caffeine users. A friend of mine used to keep a 2-litre bottle of Coke by his bed, so that in the mornings he could get enough of a caffeine hit to get out of bed and make the first coffee of the day... Hugo. -- === Hugo Mills: [EMAIL PROTECTED] carfax.org.uk | darksatanic.net | lug.org.uk === PGP key: 515C238D from wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net or http://www.carfax.org.uk --- There isn't a noun that can't be verbed. --- signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Questions about Freerunner: Phone Usability, Battery Life, Shipping Date
On Sat, May 10, 2008 at 06:22:00PM +0100, Mo Abrahams wrote: Hmm, hopefully someone else will shed more light on that. I know different cultures have numbers that are considered unlucky, for example 13 in a lot of western cultures (not sure why), One theory is because it was the number of people present at the Last Supper. Hugo. -- === Hugo Mills: [EMAIL PROTECTED] carfax.org.uk | darksatanic.net | lug.org.uk === PGP key: 515C238D from wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net or http://www.carfax.org.uk --- All mushrooms are edible, but some are only edible once. --- signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Is anyone else getting 2 or 3 copies of every mails?
On Wed, May 07, 2008 at 12:23:37AM +0200, Stefan Misch wrote: I have the same problem and ironically I got this Nope, not me twice. Actually, I got Nope, not me once, and ope, not me once. I think Mo was pulling your leg. (And making typos) Hugo. -- === Hugo Mills: [EMAIL PROTECTED] carfax.org.uk | darksatanic.net | lug.org.uk === PGP key: 515C238D from wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net or http://www.carfax.org.uk --- Some days, it's just not worth gnawing through the straps. --- signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenMoko GTA02 status
On Mon, May 05, 2008 at 01:42:35PM +0300, Bogdan Bivolaru wrote: What's the status with OpenMoko GTA02? Is it in production? When will it be launched? When we will be able to buy one? Any other schedules available to the public? Steve gave an update on these very questions a mere 9 hours before you asked it, to this very mailing list. Hugo. -- === Hugo Mills: [EMAIL PROTECTED] carfax.org.uk | darksatanic.net | lug.org.uk === PGP key: 515C238D from wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net or http://www.carfax.org.uk --- Gentlemen! You can't fight here! This is the War Room! --- signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Request for stable, automated build process
On Sat, May 03, 2008 at 08:21:27PM -0400, Lally Singh wrote: Just out of curiosity, would maven be completely out of the question? Please, for the love of all that's holy, no. I work with maven in my job. It's the most horrible misbegotten misdesigned piece of hideousness I've ever had the misfortune to work with. I'm not alone in that opinion, either -- pretty much everyone I know who's used it has the same opinion. I recently spent some time tracking down a build failure in our automated build system. It was eventually traceable to some component of maven -- still ostensibly the same version as the previous week -- changing under our feet in an incompatible way, so it decided to reject a configuration that had previously functioned correctly. This is not the only problem we've had with it. It has a track record of being awkward and/or broken in ways that are not obvious, and it is almost completely opaque when you come to try and debug them. Please, please, stick to make. Hugo. -- === Hugo Mills: [EMAIL PROTECTED] carfax.org.uk | darksatanic.net | lug.org.uk === PGP key: 515C238D from wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net or http://www.carfax.org.uk --- My karma has run over my dogma. --- signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: emulator config problem
On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 09:32:28AM +0200, Vedran Alajbegović wrote: now new problem, i can't find any instructions how to apply patches for gta02 http://svn.openmoko.org/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/patches/ Please can someone help me with this!? That looks to me like a quilt directory. Try installing quilt, putting the patches directory in the root of your kernel tree, and running quilt push -a. Warning: I've not tried this myself. (Also, is there a more suitable mailing list than this one for these kinds of technical question?) Hugo. -- === Hugo Mills: [EMAIL PROTECTED] carfax.org.uk | darksatanic.net | lug.org.uk === PGP key: 515C238D from wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net or http://www.carfax.org.uk --- I must be musical: I've got *loads* of CDs --- signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: emulator config problem
On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 1:43 PM, Hugo Mills [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (Also, is there a more suitable mailing list than this one for these kinds of technical question?) On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 03:06:42PM +0200, Vedran Alajbegović wrote: you are right, i should assigne to another lists i'm so sorry That wasn't aimed at you specifically. I'm something of a newcomer to the community myself, so I'm actually interested in the answer to my question. None of the current mailing lists seems to be particularly suited to this sort of question. Hugo. -- === Hugo Mills: [EMAIL PROTECTED] carfax.org.uk | darksatanic.net | lug.org.uk === PGP key: 515C238D from wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net or http://www.carfax.org.uk --- Don't worry, he's not drunk. He's like that all the time. --- signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: emulator config problem
On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 09:58:35PM +0200, Vedran Alajbegović wrote: hi, i followed instructions at: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko_under_QEMU i got the code and i started config but i got this error, can someone tell me more how to mand this and configure and build it p.s. i use ubuntu/debian --- error -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/home/ahmo/workspace/openmoko/qemu-neo1973# ./configure [snip] The error log from compiling the libSDL test is: /tmp/qemu-conf--15860-.c:1:17: SDL.h: No such file or directory /tmp/qemu-conf--15860-.c: In function `main': /tmp/qemu-conf--15860-.c:3: error: `SDL_INIT_VIDEO' undeclared (first use in this function) /tmp/qemu-conf--15860-.c:3: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once /tmp/qemu-conf--15860-.c:3: error: for each function it appears in.) ERROR: QEMU requires SDL or Cocoa for graphical output To build QEMU without graphical output configure with --disable-gfx-check Note that this will disable all output from the virtual graphics card. It means that you're missing the SDL development package. On my Debian system, there's a bunch of them, but libsdl1.2-dev seems to be the main one. Hugo. -- === Hugo Mills: [EMAIL PROTECTED] carfax.org.uk | darksatanic.net | lug.org.uk === PGP key: 515C238D from wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net or http://www.carfax.org.uk --- The English language has the mot juste for every occasion. --- signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update
On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 12:05:10PM +0200, David Samblas Martinez wrote: Regarding colors, maybe in the massmarket phase being able to customice your case as a lot of comercial moviles will be a plus to fashion victims ( My female work college has his laptop, movile phone and mp3 all in hello-kitty pink!!!) but in this stage of the process where developers are the target, no matter what case neo has, meanwhile it do the job of protect their precious inner electronics. I not agree with the stiker solutions because is matter of time than the stiker become ugly rubbished and the hole phone become stiky. The paint-it-yourself solution if you find a combination of case material//markers really permanet will be an original and great feature. sure there are some aerograph artist within us than can make very cool designs. Maybe there's someone out there with the know-how to make blank cases based on the published OM designs? I'd guess it's a matter of making suitable injection-moulded components -- front and back -- and then either ringing the changes with the plastic colour used, or just selling white ones that can then be painted and lacquered. I have no idea of the economics of injection moulding, though. Hugo. -- === Hugo Mills: [EMAIL PROTECTED] carfax.org.uk | darksatanic.net | lug.org.uk === PGP key: 515C238D from wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net or http://www.carfax.org.uk --- Modern medicine does not treat causes: headaches are not --- caused by a paracetamol deficiency. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update
On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 06:32:09PM +0200, Peter Kraker wrote: Someone with a knack for business should simply grab those CAD files and start manufacturing replacement cases in gazillion different colors. I thought the same. So I've picked an injection moulding firm more or less at random, and asked them about the costs and processes involved -- just to see what it would take to do. Hugo. -- === Hugo Mills: [EMAIL PROTECTED] carfax.org.uk | darksatanic.net | lug.org.uk === PGP key: 515C238D from wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net or http://www.carfax.org.uk --- Great oxymorons of the world, no. 2: Common Sense --- signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update
On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 10:07:18AM -0700, steve wrote: One goal of freeing the CAD , freeing the flesh of the phone, was to enable others to seize these opportunities. So, the CAD files for the FreeRunner are out there, before it has even shipped. I think this decision is underappreciated. From reading this thread, I think you're right. The per piece cost of plastic is small. Go price a pound of plastic. The risk is tooling. We reduced that by making CAD data open. Long LONG ago, you had to pay big set up fees to Print a document. That has come down over time. I want to enable a world were you can print parts. Trust me, I am not happy when I tell people that they cant get pink. If you want pink, you should get pink. I thought exactly the same thing. All these people whinging (sorry if anyone takes offence, but that's how it came across to me) about not having different colours, but not realising that *they* could do their own colours. I have no experience at all in manufacturing -- my closest moment came when I did some work on production scheduling in a flour mill -- but I still thought it was worth finding out what it would cost to do it. I doubt that I'll have the capital, drive or time to bring this idea to fruition, but I might as well see what's involved... That doesnt entail that I should build pink. I enable people to make it pink by publishing CAD files. It's much appreciated. Even if I don't know what to do with it. Yet. :) If you think pink, then I'll sell you the electronics that go under those pink platistics I like either green, or funky patterns. Pink may be a way down the list if you're buying from carfax.org.uk. :) _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Neil Davey Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 9:18 AM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update From the involvement I've had with injection molding the costs of material (ie the plastic) per piece it not very expensive, it's the mold tool that is the expensive part.. For one project I'm involved in I think the mold tool was something like $10KUSD.. This is a production quality (read high quality) tool... I have heard of cheaper tools out of china I think (like a few $K), but don't think the quality is as good.. This is the kind of thing I was expecting -- for even an optimistic (say) 1000 pieces on that kind of pricing, it'd be, say, $12 apiece plus PP (or $22 if it's $10k per mould -- front and back). That's going to be UKP 6-11, or E 8-14. How much do other phone covers go for? (I'm not really familiar with this sort of thing). Hugo. -- === Hugo Mills: [EMAIL PROTECTED] carfax.org.uk | darksatanic.net | lug.org.uk === PGP key: 515C238D from wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net or http://www.carfax.org.uk --- No names... I want to remain anomalous. --- signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Unofficial poll: Do you want 3G in the proposed successor, GTA03?
On Tue, Apr 08, 2008 at 09:28:02PM -0500, Mark Arvidson wrote: I whip out my A780 and browse the net/read e-mail/update remote todo lists/ssh into my home network nearly everywhere I go. I use my phone's EDGE capabilities while riding across Texas to the next family event. I use it to check my personal e-mail during downtimes at work (restrictions against doing that on company computers). I do the same while waiting for kids sporting events to start or at the dentist's office. I pull it out after band practice in the middle of nowhere to check my family's Google calendars for potential conflicts. As it is, I don't use Wifi much (of course, I don't have it on my phone yet). There are very few free places to use it around here, and their ranges are rather limited. Traveling at 75 mph down a highway means hotspots come and go in a few seconds, so that's not even a potential problem solver for me. I'm almost precisely the opposite use case. I'm almost always somewhere with stable wireless access. I don't really care too much about fast data access over the phone network, but having 802.11(whatever) in the device is a must for me. Hugo. -- === Hugo Mills: [EMAIL PROTECTED] carfax.org.uk | darksatanic.net | lug.org.uk === PGP key: 515C238D from wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net or http://www.carfax.org.uk --- You're never alone with a rubber duck... --- signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Accelerometer brainstorming
On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 06:18:51PM +0100, Alexey Feldgendler wrote: On Fri, 28 Mar 2008 17:59:38 +0100, Crane, Matthew [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * Use acell data to charecterize person carrying the phone (as many couples out there will share phones, or give to children) and tie into user profile. Do you think it's possible to use traits of a person's walk for identification? Never heard about something like this. Interesting idea, if it turns out implementable. Gait analysis (from video footage) can be used to identify people[1]. Whether it's possible to do so using accelerometer data is an interesting question. Hugo. [1] http://www.gait.ecs.soton.ac.uk/ -- === Hugo Mills: [EMAIL PROTECTED] carfax.org.uk | darksatanic.net | lug.org.uk === PGP key: 515C238D from wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net or http://www.carfax.org.uk --- All mushrooms are edible, but some are only edible once. --- signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
