Re: om-manager 0.1.0 released

2008-12-22 Thread Ilja O.
On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 10:46 AM, KaZeR ka...@altern.org wrote:

  Woopsie. Looks like i sent a blank mail, apologies.

 I tried it under windows : i had to create the app\log directory, or it
 would fail. ( IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory:
 'D:\\OM\\om-manager_00.01.00.tar\\dist\\om-manager\\app\\log\\program.log'
 )

 Now, it fails probably because of a path setting : ImportError: No module
 named wx

 I have installed wxwidgets-2.8.9, from the MSI file. What did i miss? Looks
 like i need to export  a path, but which?

 Thanks in advance, this apps looks interesting!



First of all, there is wxWidgets (http://www.wxwidgets.org/) and wxPython (
http://wxpython.org/) wxPython is basically Python bindings to wxwdgets
(since wxWidgets is the C++ Library, it can't be used directly by Python).
So, if you have installed wxWidgets (that is C++ library), you should insall
wxPython and should feel free to remove wxWidgets (if You don't use it for
something else, of course).

If You have installed wxPython and have several Python versions installed,
you could check that you're installed wxPython for same Python interpriter
that you have in `PATH` (that python that is executed by 'python' command in
shell).

For my Windows installations I've always used wxPython from installer andit
worked fine.

And thank You for report. Haven't checked this one. Fill fix soon (0.1.1
will contain some fixes inspired by this mailing list plus py2exe wrap of
program itself).
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Re: om-manager 0.1.0 released

2008-12-22 Thread Ilja O.


 Thanks for the clarification. I installed wxPython, but now it complains
 about yaml. Would you happen to have a full list of what's needed to use
 om-manager? About Yaml, is it this one? http://pyyaml.org/

 You can find full list at the main page of project (
http://code.google.com/p/om-manager/ ).
With links to download pages of given projects (see 'Links' section at right
on the main page of project).

And yes, its http://pyyaml.org/ .
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Re: om-manager 0.1.0 released

2008-12-22 Thread Ilja O.




 Uh, right.

 Three comments, after 10 seconds of use :
 - nice



Thanks! [grin]



 - detect user's homedir, instead of defaulting to /Users/ilya/Documents ?



Sorry, distro wrapper didn't erase plugin configs before er... creating
distribution. (I only use svn checkout, really). Its pointed to user's
'Documents' folder by default (home dir on my Debian box).



 - what about proposing links to distro / kernels downloads? With maybe
 download of rootfs/kernel from the app?


This cold be nice. Currently I'm fixing distro wrapping script and trying to
add windows executable to distributions. I'll add Your proposal to
Suggestion/Issue list ( http://code.google.com/p/om-manager/issues/list ).
Hopefully I or someone else will have time to implement it [I am currently
considering about possibility of starting another om-related proect, now on
the phone itself]. You can join too, of course. [grin]
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Re: om-manager 0.1.0 released

2008-12-21 Thread Ilja O.
On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 8:46 PM, Yorick Moko yorickm...@gmail.com wrote:

 I installed python 3.0 on windows xp (sp3) from
 http://www.python.org/ftp/python/3.0/python-3.0.msi
 but when i try to run it I get

 F:\temp\dist\om-manager\apprun.py
  File F:\temp\dist\om-manager\app\run.py, line 78
print usage
  ^
 SyntaxError: invalid syntax

 I'm probably doing something wrong.


No, you're doing everything right. It's just that I haven't any time to run
it on different Python major versions. It should be easy enough to adapt
code to Python 3k. Quite likely it all adaptation will likely to consist of
replacing print ... statements with print(...). And it's likely that
there one or two places where print is used at all.
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Re: om-manager 0.1.0 released

2008-12-21 Thread Ilja O.
On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 10:22 PM, Lech Karol Pawłaszek i...@szluug.orgwrote:

 Bernd (Jesus McCloud) Prünster wrote:
 [...]
  Not that i think it has much to do with your error, but you do know how
  windows handles ssh?
  (the answer is: not at all, because windows doesn't know ssh or anything
  alse that is absolutely fundemantal regarding networking, so you have to
  use puTTY, although, the program should at least start..)
  i goint to try it out tomorrow under vista and under debian

 The program uses paramiko library so one doesn't need ssh client binary.

 om-manager is nice. I was about to write something similar - like a
 host computer utility in python (but using Tkinter instead of wx)
 which connects to Freerunner and executes commands however mine was
 intended to mimic Debian's reportbug utility. Right now we have so many
 distributions, bootloaders and kernels that sometimes it's hard to
 reproduce the environment. I'm thinking about automation of gathering
 informations about a bug process. `uname -a`, `opkg list_installed` `cat
 /sys/magic/something`. If you don't mind Ilja I'll try to use your
 om-manager as a base for my work.

 As I see om-manager is plugins-capable so I hope all I want to achieve
 will be only a plugin for your program.

 ;-) Well. That's just a plan for Christmas holidays...


I would be happy to see anyone contributing. As far as I can see,
LogRetreiver plugin could be nice basis for developing such functionality
(currently it acquires verious log files/outputs. such as dmesg and
/var/log/syslog).

Feel free to contact me for any kind of help or support (and inclusion of
you into project itself).
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Re: om-manager 0.1.0 released

2008-12-21 Thread Ilja O.
On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 9:05 PM, Yorick Moko yorickm...@gmail.com wrote:

 downloaded the 2.6.1 and now i get:

 F:\temp\dist\om-manager\apprun.py
 Traceback (most recent call last):
  File F:\temp\dist\om-manager\app\run.py, line 7, in module
from app import logger, gui
 ImportError: No module named app


On windows use run.bat in the root\om-manager
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Re: om-manager 0.1.0 released

2008-12-21 Thread Ilja O.
On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 10:44 PM, Ilja O. vrgh...@gmail.com wrote:



 On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 10:22 PM, Lech Karol Pawłaszek i...@szluug.orgwrote:

 Bernd (Jesus McCloud) Prünster wrote:
 [...]
  Not that i think it has much to do with your error, but you do know how
  windows handles ssh?
  (the answer is: not at all, because windows doesn't know ssh or anything
  alse that is absolutely fundemantal regarding networking, so you have to
  use puTTY, although, the program should at least start..)
  i goint to try it out tomorrow under vista and under debian

 The program uses paramiko library so one doesn't need ssh client binary.

 om-manager is nice. I was about to write something similar - like a
 host computer utility in python (but using Tkinter instead of wx)
 which connects to Freerunner and executes commands however mine was
 intended to mimic Debian's reportbug utility. Right now we have so many
 distributions, bootloaders and kernels that sometimes it's hard to
 reproduce the environment. I'm thinking about automation of gathering
 informations about a bug process. `uname -a`, `opkg list_installed` `cat
 /sys/magic/something`. If you don't mind Ilja I'll try to use your
 om-manager as a base for my work.

 As I see om-manager is plugins-capable so I hope all I want to achieve
 will be only a plugin for your program.

 ;-) Well. That's just a plan for Christmas holidays...


 I would be happy to see anyone contributing. As far as I can see,
 LogRetreiver plugin could be nice basis for developing such functionality
 (currently it acquires verious log files/outputs. such as dmesg and
 /var/log/syslog).

 Feel free to contact me for any kind of help or support (and inclusion of
 you into project itself).



In fact, I'll really look forward to you questions. It would allow me to
start writing developer documentation (I haven't done it until now and hence
have hard time imagining what should be written and what could be omitted.
Since I'm not capable writing everything)
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Re: om-manager 0.1.0 released

2008-12-21 Thread Ilja O.
On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 11:02 PM, Petr Vanek van...@penguin.cz wrote:

 I'm happy to announce that I've finally managed to push out 0.1.0
 version of om-manager.

 Wanted to try but:

 van...@laptop-vanek:~/FreeRunner/manager/dist/om-manager$ ./run.sh
 = UNHALTED EXCEPTION =
 Traceback (most recent call last):
   File ./app/run.py, line 92, in module
run(sys.argv[1:])
  File ./app/run.py, line 86, in run
_app.run()
  File
 /home/vanous/FreeRunner/manager/dist/om-manager/app/appRoot.py, line
 79, in run self.showMainWindow() File
 /home/vanous/FreeRunner/manager/dist/om-manager/app/appRoot.py, line
 97, in showMainWindow from .gui import main as mainForm File
 /home/vanous/FreeRunner/manager/dist/om-manager/app/gui/main.py, line
 3, in module from .xrc.main_xrc import xrcMain File
 /home/vanous/FreeRunner/manager/dist/om-manager/app/gui/xrc/__init__.py,
 line 15, in module initAllMainModules() File
 /home/vanous/FreeRunner/manager/dist/om-manager/app/gui/xrc/__init__.py,
 line 13, in initAllMainModules utils.initModule(_modName % _name,
 os.path.join(_curDir, _file)) File
 /home/vanous/FreeRunner/manager/dist/om-manager/app/util/xrc/__init__.py,
 line 49, in initModule _res = loadXrcFile(_xrcfile) File
 /home/vanous/FreeRunner/manager/dist/om-manager/app/util/xrc/__init__.py,
 line 26, in loadXrcFile _res.InsertHandler(_handle()) File

 /home/vanous/FreeRunner/manager/dist/om-manager/app/util/side/xh_gizmos.py,
 line 94, in __init__ self.AddStyle('wxDEFAULT_COL_WIDTH',
 gizmos.DEFAULT_COL_WIDTH) AttributeError: 'module' object has no
 attribute 'DEFAULT_COL_WIDTH' = END =---


 van...@laptop-vanek:~/FreeRunner/manager/dist/om-manager$ python
 --version Python 2.5.2

 van...@laptop-vanek:~/FreeRunner/manager/dist/om-manager$ aptitude show
 python-wxgtk2.6 Package: python-wxgtk2.6
 State: installed
 Automatically installed: no
 Version: 2.6.3.2.2-3

 van...@laptop-vanek:~/FreeRunner/manager/dist/om-manager$ uname -a
 Linux laptop-vanek 2.6.27-7-generic #1 SMP Thu Oct 30 04:18:38 UTC 2008
 i686 GNU/Linux

 van...@laptop-vanek:~/FreeRunner/manager/dist/om-manager$
 cat /etc/debian_version
 5.0

 Any idea what's wrong here?




Try to upgrade to latest wx (2.8.*). Just checked from my debian box --
program starts up nicely.
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om-manager 0.1.0 released

2008-12-20 Thread Ilja O.
Hello.

I'm happy to announce that I've finally managed to push out 0.1.0 version of
om-manager.

Om-manager is host computer-based Freerunner controlling utility. Currently
it's able to flash Freeruner smartphone (dfu-util required), get logs,
backup filesystem parts (to archive file on host computer) also it
implements simple opkg package manager and remote control via VNC (x11vnc
package on phone is required). All functionality (except Flashing) is
implemented trough SSH connection and does not require any extra programs
installed on phone itself (except ones that are needed to perform specefied
tasks, e.g. vnc server or opkg utility). Whole application is pure Python.


Project home: http://code.google.com/p/om-manager/

Please, if somebody is willing to check it -- do it. I would be really happy
to see any feedback from any other people -- about usability, functionality
or coding style.

It took me quite a while to do it, but have a mercy -- I'm doing it alone.

I've personally used it on Windows, Linux and OSX. So I guess they can be
defined as officially supported operating systems.

Thank you.
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Re: *new version* A little zenity-gui for flashing images to the neo

2008-09-15 Thread Ilja O.
On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 4:13 AM, fredrik normann 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Sun, Sep 14, 2008 at 8:34 AM, Dale Maggee [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:

  I have been developing small python wx-based gui that currently can be
 used
  for flashing, log data obtaining and is able to do some backup (last two
 via
  ssh).
 
  I'd be glad to share if you want. (Just will need to do some
 docstrings).
 
 yeah, I'd be really interested in seeing it! I don't really know any
 python yet, but I've looked into it a little bit lately, and I've
 decided I want to learn it, so if you share what you have it will
 probably help my learning and I can probably contribute to it.


 I thought about doing this in Python aswell. I got enought time, so if you
 want to share what you've done so fare, that would be great.


Okay. I didn't really expected  that somebody would be interested.
Than, what project hosting is preferably used by OM community?

Is it http://projects.openmoko.org/ ? Or something else?
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Re: *new version* A little zenity-gui for flashing images to the neo

2008-09-13 Thread Ilja O.
On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 5:13 AM, Charles Pax [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 So at some point here I'm guessing Zenity will have to be dropped in favor
 of maybe a Python + Glade combination. Is anyone out there capable and
 willing to do such a thing? It should probably happen sooner rather than
 later.


I have been developing small python wx-based gui that currently can be used
for flashing, log data obtaining and is able to do some backup (last two via
ssh).

I'd be glad to share if you want. (Just will need to do some docstrings).
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Disabling keyboard auto-complete

2008-09-11 Thread Ilja O.
Hi all.

I've found a way to completely disable keyboard's auto-prediction (or s it
auto-complete?) feature.

do via shell:

{{{

echo   /opt/Qtopia/etc/dict/en_US/common.dawg
echo   /opt/Qtopia/etc/dict/en_US/words.dawg

}}}
then restart X (or phone) and enjoy this feature completely destroyed.

Note that you won't be able to enable it back via GUI.
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Re: No GSM 2008.08 testing

2008-09-03 Thread Ilja O.
I've received Freerunner and istalled testing daily build today.

Same error here.

Also, it's nice that no package depends on
qtopia-phone-x11-composer-emailcomposer,
qtopia-phone-x11-composer-genericcomposer,
qtopia-phone-x11-composer-mmscomposer,
qtopia-phone-x11-viewer-genericviewer, qtopia-phone-x11-viewer-smilviewer.
At least not qtopia mail and dialer. It was truly linux-way quest to
discover theese application (caller and mailer) need in those libraries.
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Re: InvibleShield at ZAGG : swindling ?!?

2008-08-11 Thread Ilja O.
I've got confirmation @ Jul 24
Your item has been shipped message @ Jul 28
And received it today (11 Aug).

That's in Europe.
Quite slow, but you'll eventually get it.
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InvisibleShield discounts!

2008-07-23 Thread Ilja O.
Hello there.

I've ordered Full body protectors for Freerunner, and they gave me two
discount (20%) codes.

Here they are: 6lcdcr , jla5nt .

Take them and use them wisely.

(If you've used one, please write back to community there would be no
discount code collision).

Btw,

cite
The discount will expire in 30 days.
/cite

Good luck!
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Re: order from pulster

2008-07-21 Thread Ilja O.
On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 1:33 PM, Alexander Steinert [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 Daniel Selinger, Mon 2008-07-21 12:16 CEST:
  I have a small question. I ordered a freerunner @ pulster on 27th of
  june. Until now i just got an autoreply from their orderingsystem. Got
  no paying info, information when i can expect the phone or
  anything else.

 Same for me. The autoreply was sent 2008-06-27 19:06 CEST.


Same here too. Jul 1, 2008 at 7:04 PM
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Re: Why not use votation system?

2008-06-16 Thread Ilja O.
Openmoko has already embedded voting system.
Named If you want it -- write it
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Re: Anyone working on a cron port?

2008-06-15 Thread Ilja O.
On Sun, Jun 15, 2008 at 3:41 PM, Peter J. Holzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On 2008-06-15 02:29:48 -0700, ian douglas wrote:
  Suppose I could check the project page, but it's 2:30am and I'm tired
  and lazy. I was updating and installing some software on my Freerunner
  tonight to test mp3 playback and noticed again that there's still no
  mention of a cron engine in the opkg library.
 
  Anybody know if it's being worked on? I think that'd be an especially
  handy tool to have. I'd go so far as to call it 'essential', at least in
  my circumstance.

 I think a straight port of cron would be simple but not very useful.
 Cron is really designed for computers which run 24/7.

 A cron-like tool for a phone (or any other device which is suspended
 most of the time) at least needs the ability to wake up the device in
 time for a scheduled job to run and go back to suspend mode after it has
 finished. But many jobs usually don't need to run at a fixed time. They
 can just run the next time the device is woken up by the user. Or the
 next time the device has AC power.


Maybe straight port of anacron will do?
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Re: debug board price change to 99 eur

2008-06-13 Thread Ilja O.
Thank you.
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Re: GTA03: New case? Bigger screen!

2008-06-11 Thread Ilja O.
me wants it too
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Re: Dual SIM?

2008-06-11 Thread Ilja O.
No
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Re: resolution preferences??

2008-06-10 Thread Ilja O.
I'm sorry to break into your nice flamewar, but I've just wanted to ask:

pro-QVGA people, are you serious?

In two years (yep, that's when GTA03 will be released judging by GTA01-02)
QVGA will be just like floppy drives on notebooks - totally non completive.
And won't be because everybody *really needs* =VGA resolution and can't
survive with lower one. It will be just because everybody on the block is
hi-res. Same thing happened lots times in IT: remember ATA to SATA switch?
Do you really think that home users wouldn't be able to stick with good old
ATA?

Quard core processors?
New sockets?
Usb 2.0  1.1 ?
You think that we couldn't live without these upgrades?

Making fonts bigger via lowering the screen resolution is total nonsense.
And hi-res tranflective screens will be available in less than a year.

Btw, QVGA won't cost much less (it doesn't now and in two years it could be,
in fact, more expensive than VGA).
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Re: regarding the 'data security' thread recently

2008-06-10 Thread Ilja O.
About data wipe:

I was thinking -- doesn't eny SIM card have some kind of ID number?
And if they do, do we have software way to obtain it?

Phone could wipe itself if another SIM card is inserted AND upon SMS message
receiving.


If you have several SIM cards, than we could create simple SIM card
whilelist.
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Re: regarding the 'data security' thread recently

2008-06-10 Thread Ilja O.
On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 1:21 PM, Federico Lorenzi [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 I suppose the cell phone number should be more then unique enough.


Yup. But I don't know if we're able to obtain it (don't see reason to RTFM
before obtaining of Freerunner).
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Re: regarding the 'data security' thread recently

2008-06-10 Thread Ilja O.
On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 4:08 PM, Benedikt Schindler [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 Ilja O. schrieb:
  About data wipe:
 
  I was thinking -- doesn't eny SIM card have some kind of ID number?
  And if they do, do we have software way to obtain it?
 
  Phone could wipe itself if another SIM card is inserted AND upon SMS
  message receiving.
 
 
  If you have several SIM cards, than we could create simple SIM card
  whilelist.
  
 
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 ... by the way : to what phonenumber will you send a sms when the thief
 has replaced the sim card?


 you could also test, if there is the selected SIM card in the phone.
 and if not, you send the GPS-Data of the phone every 10 minutes per sms
 to a pre given phonenumber.
 so you could find your phone. (and you have the phonenumber of the thief
 :) )
 If i think about it, we should just send every 30min. because it would
 be annoying to recive a sms every 10 min.



This have  already been discussed.




 but all these things are just functional if you are the only one who
 have implimented that feature.
 That's the bad side of the open source thing. If you put it in the
 general source tree, everyone
 knows where he had to put his SIM card numbers, so the phone think
 everthing is allright.


If phone will wipe itself if no authorized SIM is present (and program
starts as daemon, of course), than it won't be real security hole.
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Re: regarding the 'data security' thread recently

2008-06-10 Thread Ilja O.
On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 7:26 PM, Stroller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 Having said that, why wait for an incoming text?
 Why not just have the phone wipe itself when the SIM card changes?


That's what i was proposing from the beginning.
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Re: Debug Board v3 (GTA02) now available

2008-06-09 Thread Ilja O.
On Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 3:12 AM, Bastian Muck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I guess that there are many things which let the price raise.
 61€ + 19% vat = 73€
 Then you have to add shipping to germany. And in germany you have to
 grant a warranty of at least 24 month for technical equipment. Usually
 Christoph Pulster has fair prices.


But how they manage to sell Freerunners for 299€ than?
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Re: InvisibleShield screen protectors

2008-06-08 Thread Ilja O.
On Sun, Jun 8, 2008 at 5:11 PM, Martin Šenkeřík [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 I'll probably want full case protection, as I want FreeRunner to stay with
 me for more than one-two years as normal phones did :-)


Same here
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Re: Debug Board v3 (GTA02) now available

2008-06-06 Thread Ilja O.
On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 1:52 PM, Christoph Pulster [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 Hello community,

 may I add that I have the debug board now in my shop:
 http://www.pulster.de/engl/
 index.html?d__omdebug__Openmoko_Debug_Board_Version_v3747.htm

 It's version 3 belonging to GTA02 Freerunner...


EUR 149.00

Are you sure that that's not misprint?
(Just a bit bigger extra charge when comparing with Freerunner, afaicu)
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Re: InvisibleShield screen protectors

2008-06-06 Thread Ilja O.
I couldn't find predefined protector[s] for neo (not really a surprise,
really).

So, how to obtain one of these for Freerunner? We have CAD files, so I don't
see problems with measuring case or screen.

What should I (or we) do to obtain screen protector (or better -- full body
one)?
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Re: Cleared to start Mass production

2008-06-05 Thread Ilja O.
I can see death looking carefully at my piggy bank.
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Re: new iphone

2008-06-02 Thread Ilja O.
On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 2:21 AM, Christian Benke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Good evening!

 So who of you is thinking about buying the new iphone instead of an
 openmoko in case the technical specs really improve(3G, better
 resolution)?

Nope
Well, first of all, iphone is not sold legally in my country of
living. Then, I do not want to use phone, that requires me to pay for
changing the ring tone. And since I'm myself am a developer, I don't
like to steal software at all (imho that's just not right thing to do
-- to steal something that I'm myself is being paid for).

Imho, freedom is much more valuable than any piece of hardware
(Although I'm not against shareware). And Freerunners' is not so bad.

As for OM, i'll wait till the end of summer. If phone won't be out,
than it's never will be out, so I'll bury OM deep beneath the ground
(let's face it -- there are similar projects, none of them is as open
as OM, but OM is not releasing phone yet).

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Re: Private data protection.

2008-06-01 Thread Ilja O.
On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 11:55 AM, Esben Stien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Rahul Joshi [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 The very first thing a phone thief does is throw away the SIM.

 That's why, if a presence security code is not typed in every nth
 hour, the phone starts transmitting secretly its location over all
 available networks to your home system;).

 We need GNU radio in this device, so that we can implement a tracking
 beacon way to find the phone.


Also portable self-destruction hardware would be nice.

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Re: Private data protection.

2008-06-01 Thread Ilja O.
On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 11:55 AM, Esben Stien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Rahul Joshi [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 The very first thing a phone thief does is throw away the SIM.

 That's why, if a presence security code is not typed in every nth
 hour, the phone starts transmitting secretly its location over all
 available networks to your home system;).


Current phone number would be enough information. SMS to a friend that
gives this number to you...
Also it must do so every on poweron event. E.g. if phone haven't been
shacked the right way.

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Re: Private data protection.

2008-06-01 Thread Ilja O.
On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 2:34 PM, Philippe Guillebert
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Ilja O. wrote:

 Who says that this password will be created by human? Program should
 generate it automatically, shows it to user, user writes (or prints)
 it and saves in piggy bank hoping he will not need it at all.
 This function will be used so rare that there is not point in creating
 rememberable passwords.


 Hi,

 And then, when he doesn't have the neo anymore, he have to find where the
  he put the code, run to a friend's with the piece of paper, hey can I
 send an SMS ?, copy 160 random characters from a piece of paper with a
 crappy input method on the friend's phone and hope he didn't misspell a
 single bit of it or the whole process would be useless.

 Yeah, sounds very doable...


You can store this in file. Or we append simple hash to key itself.
Remembering one more password is much worse (it becomes even worser
when you remember that this password will be used (at most) only one
time. Who will be able to remember such password for an event with
such probability?).

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Re: Private data protection.

2008-06-01 Thread Ilja O.
On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 6:43 PM, Esben Stien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Ilja O. [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Current phone number would be enough information. SMS to a friend
 that gives this number to you...

 It's like being at a party and your lighter is gone. You need a homing
 device to pin point which pocket it's in;).

 Maybe another solution here is to have an RFID on it, so you can swipe
 everybodys' pockets;).


And portable thermonuclear bomb. Just in case. (Well, phone is already
hand interface to several orbital atomic clocks, isn't it?)

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Re: atomic clock / radio-receiver chip

2008-06-01 Thread Ilja O.
On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 9:26 PM, cdr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 And portable thermonuclear bomb. Just in case. (Well, phone is already
 hand interface to several orbital atomic clocks, isn't it?)

 the atomic clock(s) arent orbiting the earth,



But why there are no clocks at the orbit? They could be useful enough.
E.g. if there are several of them each on predefined geostationary
orbit we could do lots of useful things with them! For example, we
could prove that general relativity indeed exists (although ionosphere
would likely to spoil party at some degree).

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Re: atomic clock / radio-receiver chip

2008-06-01 Thread Ilja O.
 Huh, I'm a little confused about whats being spoken about here, but
 the GPS satellites are effectively giant orbiting atomic clocks, its
 the basis of GPS.



 Hey,

 According to wikipedia ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GPS ), every GPS 
 satellite carries an atomic clock, providing every receiver on earth with 
 really precise clock. The radio clock systems
 you describe are different and kinda useless when you have GPS onboard.

 As an engineer I'm stunned by the level of performance achieved of the GPS 
 system : the description of Einstein's relativity compensation on the WP 
 article is really scary :)

Doh, people. You've spoiled all the fun! :(

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Re: Private data protection.

2008-05-31 Thread Ilja O.
On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 1:49 PM, Rahul Joshi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 The very first thing a phone thief does is throw away the SIM. No SIM, No
 SMS, No protection.. erm.. destruction :)


When my friends phone got stolen it happened the other way - some
people. whose numbers were in his phone book, started to receive calls
and messages with abuse. That's not nice thing to experience.

And this daemon will perform just nice even if SIM card was changed.
All you need to know is phone's current number. And some carriers (as
I have heard, haven't checked myself) can provide you with such
information it if you have registered your phone IMEI (aka written
paper to carrier that Phone with such IMEI belongs to me).

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Re: Private data protection.

2008-05-31 Thread Ilja O.
On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 2:04 AM, Vinc Duran [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 You could make it longer too. I mean you could require receiving multiple
 sms's. It could be a very long key.


Why bother?
Even using only alphanumeric characters (I've counted 62 characters)
there are more than 10^216 possible keys [1]. That means that somebody
would want to break this system and would be sending to you 1 message
per second it would require him about 3*10^207 years just to reach 10%
probability of sending correct key. (Or about 10^216 years to get 0.5%
probability).

That will never happen.

And I think that you'll get suspicious receiving long meaningless
messages all these years. (Also phone will quite likely to become too
old to use with cellular networks by that time.

[1] 
12218073680353548058922335026733971922245990750848866696225357980522800709073153600165928612142210232085454876524842926435178601087679967305970361415808918724004919642128974801342733314107009534358023113252274176
 to be exact.

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Re: using the openmoko neo101 in mass storage mode

2008-05-31 Thread Ilja O.
 (warning: wild speculation) Does the GTA03 not
 have flash?  If so, you could partition the SD card, and then only unmount
 the partition used for media storage.

wild speculation

Having two memory card slots (one for OS, one easy accessible for
usage with changeable memory cards) could be nicer than standard
(current) architecture. You flush operating system with simple card
reader. Ant this eliminates need in backup OS (currently stored in NOR
flash, afaik).

Also this would make phones' main memory easy expandable.

It sounds nice!

/wild speculation

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Re: Private data protection.

2008-05-31 Thread Ilja O.
On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 6:32 PM, Andy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
 Hash: SHA1

 I read an provocative estimate a year or so ago that each extra
 character of a password adds only on average 1.5 bits of entropy to it.
 ~ Considering how most passwords are formed from dictionary words, albeit
 slightly modified or appended, it sounds about right.


Who says that this password will be created by human? Program should
generate it automatically, shows it to user, user writes (or prints)
it and saves in piggy bank hoping he will not need it at all.
This function will be used so rare that there is not point in creating
rememberable passwords.

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Re: Private data protection.

2008-05-31 Thread Ilja O.
On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 8:13 PM, Rahul Joshi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I'm no security expert but I'm pretty sure a lightweight 8 bit salt
 encryption (security guys?) can give any dektop pc software enough trouble
 to abort the attempt of trying to read a 256 meg worth of datacard, unless
 it really belongs to the director operations FBI ;)


shamelesly edited copy from wikipedia
Assume a user's secret key is stolen and he is known to use one of
200,000 English words as his password. The system uses a 8-bit salt.
The amount of combinations is 256*20 = 5120.
/shamelesly copy from wikipedia

 If attacker chacks one hash per second and has 64-core beowulf
cluster it will require 9 days to check all possible combinations.
That's not so much, imo.
Also, processors are cheap these days one guy [1] has build 96-core
machine (for unknown price).

[1] http://helmer.sfe.se/

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Re: Private data protection.

2008-05-31 Thread Ilja O.
 Also, processors are cheap these days one guy [1] has build 96-core
 machine (for unknown price).


Sorry. That's 24 cores. He's planning to build 96-core next.

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Re: Private data protection.

2008-05-30 Thread Ilja O.
On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 4:17 PM, Christoph Fink
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Ilja O. wrote:

 1) Auth using PIN number (this requires encrypted image presence in
 phone file system by it's boot time end -- not reallyl convenient if
 SD card is used).


 IMO encrypting Data with the PIN Number is not such a good thing, because
 the possibilities of different keys are definately not high (max 8 digits,
 only numbers). A better solution would be to save the PIN on the encrypted
 storage and automatically read it.


I don't see point in making secure protection from somebody that has
stolen phone to obtain your data, since anything that phones' CPU will
be able to encrypt/decrypt without draining battery much faster than
it should be. I'm telling about making protection from phone thief,
that simply has stolen your phone and is now trying to power it up and
obtain any easily accessible plain data. And for this aim almost any
encryption will do.

To protect yourself from data thiefs the best way, imho, would be to
program a daemon that wipes out all phone memory when phone receives
an SMS message with predefined contents.

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Re: Private data protection.

2008-05-30 Thread Ilja O.
 I don't see point in making secure protection from somebody that has
 stolen phone to obtain your data, since anything that phones' CPU will
 be able to encrypt/decrypt without draining battery much faster than
 it should be.

... Can be decrypted using desktop PC (or cluster of them) quite
easily and fast.

Sorry, lost my thought somewhere in the middle.

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Re: Private data protection.

2008-05-30 Thread Ilja O.
On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 9:27 PM, Ian Darwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Vinc Duran wrote:

 I like the stolen phone sms message.

 Me too. When can I start erasing the phones of people I don't like? :-)

You'll have to try hard to guess 120 random alphanumeric (at least) characters.

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Private data protection.

2008-05-27 Thread Ilja O.
Hello.

Recent Lifehacher article [1] rose a privacy-related question in my
head -- how to protect user personal data if phone is stolen?

First of all - I assume that phone was stolen for it's physical
contents (and not to steal your data), so attacker will likely just to
turn it on, and won't attempt any more sophisticated type of attack.

What could be done to prevent such attacker from obtaining of e.g. my
saved browser sessions?

Personally I can see three easy ways of protection (aka without entry
of additional passwords and physically connection of key-congaing
storage devices).

Both include have having some kind of encrypted file system image
stored in phone file system. Of course it should use key-based
encryption, so the main challenge is to provide easy way to enter key
(without need to remember any new meaningless number-digit mumbo-jumbo
password).

1) Auth using PIN number (this requires encrypted image presence in
phone file system by it's boot time end -- not reallyl convenient if
SD card is used).
2) Auth using key file accessible on network (when phone is connected
to your computer or local network). This means that auth can be
performed only in your place (home, work...).
3) Auth using presence of another bluetooth or WiFi device (the MAC
address of this device is used as key). This means that phone fully
unlocks when your bluetooth mouse or router are around. ;)

AFAIK the best way to use such encrypted data in device like mobile
phone (taking in account that any kind of encryption requires
processor and processor requires electricity), it would be nice to
create temporary file system in phones' RAM, copy encrypted data to it
(during the copy also unencrypting it) and make applications to use
data from RAM while operating the phone. But how to sync data from RAM
back to encrypted file system?

By the way, I'm writing this mail just to ask - does anyone has any
other ideas or proposals?
Or, maybe, it is already implemented, tested and I'm inventing bicice?

[1] http://lifehacker.com/393336/protect-your-stolen-mobile-phone

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Re: Group Sales Page

2008-05-05 Thread Ilja O.
On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 5:20 PM, Dirk Deimeke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Hi,


   still giving a 404 to me.

  can you see the main page http://wiki.openmoko.org/ without error?


It redirects to http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/index.cgi
Routing problem?

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Willing to join any EU group sale.

2008-05-03 Thread Ilja O.
Hi.

I'm living in Latvia (EU) and willing to join group sales (since, as
far as I understand, buying 10 pack will yield for lower taxes, and,
of curse, free pouch...). But it seems that there is nobody in my
country (but me) willing to buy Freerunner now (two friends of mine
are waiting me to test one, I'm being used as guinea pig :-( ).
That's why I'm willing to join any other EU group. Of course I'll pay
for extra postage expenses, etc, etc
So if somebody is lacking one person for complete group, please mail me!

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Re: Invest in automated build system (and one extra person to manageit) SOON

2008-05-01 Thread Ilja O.

 Or somebody could set up a build server at home that automatically updates a
 wiki status..


I have quite powerfull server at my home (Phenom 9600, 4 gigs of ram,
Debian, *lots* of free space) that is idling most of the time. So, if
somebody would help me to setup build environement (or at least
instruct how to integrate it to existing ifrastructure), than I could
do it.

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Re: 10 or more phones order

2008-04-29 Thread Ilja O.
On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 11:45 PM, Federico Lorenzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Haha, one of the bests laughs I've had on here! Although I'm pretty
  sure it violates PEP 346356 which clearly states that thou should not
  use exec and base64 :)


If you think that python one-liner without base64 is better, here it is:

(lambda f=(lambda n, v: globals().update({n: v})): f(set, f))() or
set(wr, lambda v:
__import__(sys).stdout.write(str(v).strip()+\n)) or
set(phone_count, 42) or wr(Please order %s % , .join([BOX for
_i in xrange(phone_count // 10)] + [SINGLE for _i in
xrange(phone_count % 10)]))

Have a nice day. ;)

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Re: 10 or more phones order

2008-04-28 Thread Ilja O.

  I just can't leave it like that. :-)

  if (phones_ordered % 10 * PRICE_1  PRICE_10_PACK)
 phones_ordered += 10 - phones_ordered % 10;

Is this really necessary?
what this code is for?
And where are comments? :)

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Re: 10 or more phones order

2008-04-28 Thread Ilja O.
On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 12:12 PM, Federico Lorenzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 And why is it not in Python?



It would be too easy to read.

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Re: 10 or more phones order

2008-04-28 Thread Ilja O.

  So why's it not in Perl then,
  You could do all that in a simple one-liner...

  ;o)



I don't know Perl :(
But I could try to write on z/OS HLASM. Or Erlang...

Btw, it could be simple one-liner in Python too.
Like this:
  phone_count = 42
  _orders = [BOX for _i in xrange(phone_count // 10)] + [SINGLE
for _i in xrange(phone_count % 10)]
  print(Please, order %s % , .join(_orders))

Or if you want REALLY python one-liner:
  
exec(eJwryMjPS41Pzi/NK1GwVTAx4orPL0pJLSoGcqKVnPwjlBTS8osU4jMVMvMUKooS89JTNQqQtOjrKxgaaMYqaANVB3v6ufu4EtCgClbPVVCUmVeioRSQk5pYnKqjALZTQbVYCSivpKOgpJeVn5mnAXWKpiYAGp0z4g==.decode(base64).decode(zip))

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Group sales: Riga/Latvia

2008-04-27 Thread Ilja O.
Hello.

I've started group sales section for Riga/Latvia (
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GroupSales#Latvia ).
Please, join. Prove that I'm not alone.

Cheers.

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Re: Freerunner will be GTA02v5 or GTA02v6? (was: Fwd: Future Button and LED software spec)

2008-04-18 Thread Ilja O.
On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 10:07 PM, Andrea Debortoli
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I think nobody will buy a GTA02v5 knowing that a better revision will be
 available some days after...

I will. I also will learn a bit of electronics to fix it. (Since for
me it's fun to learn new things... Ant i also really want get Neo.
Waiting another month or two is not fun.)

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Re: GSoC 2008

2008-03-23 Thread Ilja O.
Seems that hardware is quite likely to become available before summer.
(This is only my opinion and I'm not related to Openmoko otherwise
than being listed in community and kernel mailing lists).

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GSoC ideas discussion (again)

2008-03-22 Thread Ilja O.
Hi all.

I'm currently assembling GSoC proposal (student-side, Openmoko-related
of course).
I gave some thought to the projects themes, and here what I can see as
projects, that I'd like to do (list sorted by 'me want to do this' in
decreasing order).

1) Accelerometer gestures
2) Two USB device mode (Is this correct mode name?) -- NIC (as it is
now) and HDD.
3) Samba sharing
4) Incoming call management - ban cumbers (drop or do not pick up)
auto-reply with SMS, etc...

(1) - I really,really want to do this! but since I'm not as cool and
smart as I'd like to be [1], it is quite likely that this project will
be given to somebody more experienced than me.
(2) - yes, USB 1.1 is quite slow, but having HDD mode would be nice
for end users (e.g. they will have way to easily upload an
installation package)
(3) - Of course not just port of samba. I'd also like to create fancy
cross-platform desktop gui application, that would allow at least set
samba password and shared folders (besides CF card, of course). This
is good for and-users since samba shares are accessible via wifi and
thy'll be able to transfer files to/from FreeRunner without problems
(e.g. scp client installation ;-) )
(4) - This was mentioned in 'ideas' list.

I'd like to ask community if there is something else, that I (with my
quite limited experience and knowledge) would be able to contribute?

[1] -- http://vrghost.lv/~vrghost/CV/

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Re: GSoC ideas discussion (again)

2008-03-22 Thread Ilja O.
   2) Two USB device mode (Is this correct mode name?) -- NIC (as it is
   now) and HDD.

  There no magic for it needed. You connect USB Host cable - powered hub -
  NIC and (if you have proper module installed) it appears as network card.
  Same with HDD, webcams, keyboards, mouses and anything USB based.


I know that currently Neo (and Freerunner?) are exposing itself as USB
NIC. It is nice and useful during development, but useless for end
users IHMO (only if it don't expose VNC session to the main screen ;)
).  In my opinion, end user would expect phone to act like USB HDD
when it is connected to desktop via USB. I'm saying that there should
be at least two modes of Neo-host interaction via USB - as NIC and as
HDD.
[ If you have understood me correctly - sorry for wasting your time.
I'm just don't think that my English is good enough to be understood
without additional explanations.]


  scp client is installed by default ;)


I know that not everybody has (or even knows about) ssh/sftp protocol.
This is especially true about Windows world. (Damn humans aren't
willing to learn our technology basics!)

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GSoC Freerunner

2008-03-18 Thread Ilja O.
I'd like to ask - what is probability of Greerunner hardware to be
ready by the summer? (aka Will I have my Freerunner when GSoC
starts?)

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Re: GSoC 2008: Call for ideas

2008-03-11 Thread Ilja O.
Sqlite port would be nice thing to have. (With C/C++/Python bindings, of course)

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Re: GSoC 2008: Call for ideas

2008-03-10 Thread Ilja O.
Hello.
In my opinion, there are some highly usable project proposals in wish
list, that could be done by student (like me, heh-heh-heh...) during
summer.
First things first: platform should provide more than one GUI binding
solutions.
In my opinion binding framework porting priority is (decreasing):
1) qt
2) wx
3) sdl
(Since Maemo/Cocoa bindins are not widely used in current world, I
think that these bindings are in
would-be-nice-to-have[when-we'll-have-free-time] class)
In my opinion, GUI bindings are great projects for GSoc, since they
are useful and easy to create (at least it looks so, since Openmoko
has standard GTK base, that by these frameworks already can use on the
PC).

Also, C++ bindings are must-have (but I have no clue about how mush
work it will be to implement them)
Python binding is good-to-have thing, since Python language is great
for prototyping (but I don't think that it would be great idea to
write real application on Openmoko due to embedded platform
limitations).

Also, platform *must* include high-level bindings for standard phone
functionality, like sending SMS to the given number (with given text,
of course), making a call, cancelling call, getting GPS  coordinates,
sending visit card using bluetooth, bt device pairing, connecting to
bt device... it's quite easy to build such list. But some has to
implement it all. (IMHO, all tese API functions should be accessible
via dbus). As my device driver programming experience shows, it is
quite possible to accomplish such thing during summer (not all at
once, of course. Someone should be playing with bt, someone with gsm
module... But I assume that you are much more aware of all these
organization issues than me.

Btw, please, please, release freerunner! In March! Can't hold... much
longer

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Re: Any chance to have a dual-SIM slot on futures products?

2007-12-11 Thread Ilja O.
 This isn't exactly true. In some dual-SIM phones that have recently
 entered the market, such as Fly B700 Duo, both SIM cards can be used
 simultaneously without the need for any kind of switching.



It was already said that two SIMs working simultaneously would require
two trancievers.
This is obviously is not a case of GTA02.
Planning feature list for GTA(03|04) is quite a waste of time until
GTA02 will be released.
So, let's concentrate on GTA02, perhaps?

--

I'm sorry for being keen, but I've waiting GTA02 for a quite lot of
time by now, so I panic when seeing any proposal of hardware
modifications that could delay (if accepted) phone release.

(Me want my toy yesterday!)

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Re: Buying Openmoko GTA02 from Europe

2007-08-23 Thread Ilja O.
2007/8/22, Jean-Eric Cuendet (ML) [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 Hi,
 It seems that a big problem we have here in Europe to get Openmoko
 devices is that the shiping costs are quite high: around 80-100USD !!

 I've opened a website that will sell GTA02 devices when they are
 available, to other Europe countries. I'll buy quantities of devices
 from FIC and resell them from here, in Switzerland, middle of Europe.

Hi. I'm really interested in obtaining (at least) one GTA02 device.
But I live in Latvia. Are there any hopes that you'll ship here too?
At least we all are in same Union. :-)

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