Re: Why enlightenment?
On Wed, 15 Apr 2009 22:57:57 +0200 Bram Neijt wrote: > I know this question must have come up once before, but I couldn't > find any real answer online, so I'm posting it here. Why > enlightenment? > > I haven't seen enlightenment being used for over 4 years, and with the > wealth of programs out there which are portable and can run on top op > Linux, this choice really astounds me. I'm only writing this now, > because I see that the next Om release (2009) is going to keep > focusing on using it. > For awhile Openmoko had hired Enlightenment's lead developer (Rasterman), so that probably explains their predisposition to using it. E17 also has the advantage of being both slick (in terms of resources) and looking damn good. This has nothing to do with the GUI used by the apps, any more then using fluxbox on a desktop would affect my ability to run gnome or kde applications. > As I see it, all embedded devices running some kind of interface use > either QT or GTK (QT Phone, Nokia Internet tablet, Sharp Zaurus..) and > there are various applications and standards available. > > Why then go for enlightenment? > > Hoping this is not to inflammatory, > Bram What do you mean by standards in "there are various applications and standards available" ? As a full-blown window manager, enlightenment will do everything any other full-featured window manager can do (well, except have releases that aren't just snapshots). Also, remember that Qt Phone and the Nokia tablets use their own gui libraries too (Qtextended and hildon respectively), that applications have to be ported to in order to look native. I'm not familiar with Sharp Zaurus-based distros, but don't they normally use gpe software, which is in most openmoko distro's repos? -- Joseph Booker signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Sean's speech at ESC about making a 3G device
ASU was like this while people were testing and expecting new 2007 releases. Diversity was like this. It seems like FSO started like this (I could be wrong). Can the internal company communication be more open? It's annoying if every 6 months another somewhat secret project is going to come to light. It's honestly getting tiresome -- Joseph Booker signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Problem upgrading ncurses
On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 18:43:54 -0500 "Dale Schumacher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Going through my daily ritual of update and upgrade, I've been having > trouble with ncurses. > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# cat /proc/version > Linux version 2.6.24 ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) (gcc version 4.1.2) > #1 PREEMPT Tue Jul 22 02:21:01 CEST 2008 > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# opkg upgrade > Upgrading ncurses on root from 5.4-r14 to 5.4-r15... > Downloading > http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/armv4t/ncurses_5.4-r15_armv4t.ipk > Collected errors: > * Package ncurses wants to install file /usr/lib/libncurses.so.5 > But that file is already provided by package * libncurses5 > > This has persisted for at least the last 24 hours. Is anyone else > seeing this problem? I'm not sure, since I reflashed since experiencing this problem, but I was getting that on the same setup as I have now but with http://rabenfrost.net/celtune/celtune-rabenfrost.conf in /etc/opkg. Perhaps the ncurses from that repo is broken? -- Joseph Booker signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: discount on invisibleshield protectors
On Sun, 6 Jul 2008 02:23:37 +0300 Flyin_bbb8 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hey everyone and well done OM team for making this great open phone > almost in our hands :p i just ordered a full body protection from > invisibleshield and got 2 discount codes, anyone who wants just > contact me, come first , get first :p Same with my discount codes (same discount was given to pc world readers). -- Joseph Booker signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Will GTK be used in Openmoko?
On Fri, 16 May 2008 17:11:46 +0100 Stroller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> noted: > FIC is a new company > and hasn't sold anything yet - in a business situation like this one > watches one's costs and tries to get the best results one can > without spending too much money. > ... > FIC will have > _income_ - that's REALLY significant!! FIC doesn't have income at > the moment, Wait, what? Don't you mean Openmoko Inc? -- Joseph Booker signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Software Status
On Tue, 13 May 2008 20:58:10 -0500 Joseph Jon Booker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Btw, how deeply is enlightenment going to be involved in the OM > software? Are applications going to need to be programmed with EFL to > have a native look-and-feel on the Freerunner? And one more question: where does diversity get its images? It seems they are .eet files, which could be anything. Are they openstreetmap tiles, or does OM have some kind of deal with a mapping company? -- Joseph Booker signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Software Status
On Sun, 4 May 2008 18:39:10 -0700 "steve" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Also, I need to update everybody on software. > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sebastian > Reichel Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 6:08 PM > To: List for Openmoko community discussion > Subject: When will you update the Production Status, steve? > the weekend is almost gone (actually it is already here in Germany, > where it's 3:00 now), so where are the updates? :D Since the last time someone made some prodding was successful, may I ask for some official news on the software side? I'm guessing it's everything at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenmokoFramework (which that page says will be in alpha version next month) and http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/NeoSoftwareStack (which really does raise the question of how Android is expected to fit into this, and what some of the new applications like illume, assassin, pidjin, etc really are). Or maybe it's the test cases and test reports being publicly posted? Btw, how deeply is enlightenment going to be involved in the OM software? Are applications going to need to be programmed with EFL to have a native look-and-feel on the Freerunner? Thanks, Joseph Booker signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: A few questions about the games
On Sat, 10 May 2008 00:20:28 +0100 Mo Abrahams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > How does one insert numbers in the sudoku game? (I am assuming it is > sudoku, since it is named solo on openmoko) Maybe this will be more > evident with the actual hardware, but at the moment I am stumped. See http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla//show_bug.cgi?id=1215 , its a known issue with the keyboard being used. I remember somewhere (probably in one of the mailing lists?) that rasterman was working on a new keyboard, so the game may be workable soon -- Joseph Booker signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Kentucky / Indiana Group Order
On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 09:16:09 -0400 "Geoff Ruscoe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Anyone from around here interested in getting a group order together? Where in IN/KY are you guys? Is Chicago too far away for this group? -- Joseph Booker signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Welcome to Openmoko GSoC
On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 16:51:17 -0700 ian douglas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Daniel Willmann wrote: > > IM/VoIP using telepathy > > > I'm hoping you meant telephony? Or is Google seriously funding some > sort of telekenesis projects? ;o) > > -id > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community http://telepathy.freedesktop.org/wiki/ It seems flexible enough to support telekinesis, is there a standard RFC for VoEP (Voice over ESP)? -- Joseph Booker signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update
On Sun, 13 Apr 2008 16:13:16 -0700 "steve" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Stylus is of course on the goodie list. Things I will give away to > the first few thousand buyers. > > If you like the stylus approach, the one we have is great. I know its > great because at every trade show > when I leave it on the table somebody snatches it! Steve, First of all, thanks tons for the information. I'm looking forward to being one of the early adopters, and I'm sure a lot of us are very grateful for how open this process is. I think the issue is that the neo1973 came with some items, * Headset * Neo pouch * Kickass 4-in-1 Stylus * Lanyard * MicroSD * USB Cable * Neo Tools (in Advance kit) Just to be clear, besides the goodies for the first orders, is none of that going to be included? I understand not including a usb cable, tools, and MicroSD card (since these are standard) and the neo pouch and lanyard (since those are just extra branding). But is the software going to depend on a stylus? If so, it should be made very clear when purchasing that the customer will need to get one. Even better would be to include a simple cheap one, it would be better then nothing. I also don't remember ever getting a phone without some kind of cheap headset. Providing a list of compatible headsets would be very nice (it is illegal around here to use a cellphone while driving without a hands-free). Once again, thanks a lot for all the information. Good luck with the rest of the PVT testing, Joseph Jon Booker signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: A few questions on the GSOC
On Thu, 3 Apr 2008 18:48:56 -0400 Steven Hicks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The questions I have for this project are: > 1. Must the final result work on the phone? In other words can I > build the software on the PC and have it working on the PC with say > Mono/Java? 2. Is there a programming language restriction? It is merely the mentor organization's choice, some of the projects have taken on things completely unrelated to them just since they were so impressed. > 3. What is required to deem the project complete? http://code.google.com/opensource/gsoc/2008/faqs.html#0.1_evaluations < the evaluations determine if you get paid is the closest to what you're thinking of, after all, good projects never complete ;) > 5. If a working copy on the phone is required will I be given an > OpenMoko phone to make sure this works (if so will this be for borrow > or to keep)? 5.5 Will I be provided with a prepaid SIM? (I'm American > so that would be either AT&T or TMobile) It's been said before on the list you will be provided with a freerunner, even if it's a prototype. I don't recall any discussion about providing you with cellphone service, and you really don't need to do that for the noise detection project > Little bit about me: I am currently an undergraduate Uni student at > Elon. I will be graduating in May and be attending UNC-Charlotte for > Computer Vision in Intelligence (ms/PhD). Cool, a friend of mine is one of the business fellows at elon, I just found your guys' secondlife island the other day too, good luck with SoC > -Steven -- Joseph Jon Booker signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
