Thinking about a german data offer (GPRS) from Klarmobil

2010-03-16 Thread Lothar Behrens
Hi,

I am still do not use my phone as a phone. Maybe some of the current  
distributions can be used.

But what I am currently thinking of is a simple GPRS data offer to  
enable GPRS internet as either flat or
volume based.

Who knows about usable and cheap providers in germany to get at least  
a GPRS volume contract?

Which sim cards will work in the FreeRunner?

My current choice is a 0,19 Euro Cent per MB as I do not use the  
mobile data service much I think.

Thanks

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Re: Good idea for other things - Was: Homemade USB gamepad (NeoPlay)

2009-12-16 Thread Lothar Behrens

Am 14.12.2009 um 13:04 schrieb Neil Jerram:

 2009/12/12 Lothar Behrens lothar.behr...@lollisoft.de:

 I always need to fiddle the USB cable into the neo and this could  
 then
 avoided.

 I used to think that.  I eventually realised that the real problem was
 that I have to force charging at 500mA.  Could that be the case for
 you too?


No, I simply have sometimes to fiddle the cable into the neo before  
starting the engine.
It would be very nice if there are two contacts in the size of the  
small fingernail. Then
one simply need to 'clip' it into a housing with counterpart contacts.  
The USB cable therefore
is in the clip housing and it should have mounting device similar to  
those swan neg navigarion
holder. Then the original device could be replaced by this device.

Maybe someone could use blender to design such a device. I am only  
capable to design the
electronics using KICAD. Another option would be a Wing drawing to be  
used as a electronic
part for KICAD. I don't know if anyone has done similar parts to  
appear more like a housing.

Regards,
Lothar

 Regards,
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Re: Good idea for other things - Was: Homemade USB gamepad (NeoPlay)

2009-12-16 Thread Lothar Behrens

Am 14.12.2009 um 13:22 schrieb Christ van Willegen:

 On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 1:04 PM, Neil Jerram neiljer...@googlemail.com 
  wrote:
 I used to think that.  I eventually realised that the real problem  
 was
 that I have to force charging at 500mA.  Could that be the case for
 you too?

 I know that the OpenMoko adapter for the Neo has a resistor built-in
 to make detection possible. I wonder how easy/hard it would be to
 a) Have another standard R for '500 mA' defined in the software, and
 B) To fiddle an R in somewhere to let the Neo auto-detact 500 mA (if
 it's not connected to a USB bus).

 I haven an in-car adapter, with a USB port, that can source up to 650
 mA, but I need to tell my Neo to charge at 500mA 'by hand' now...


I have a 2 Ampere Cigarette adapter from my gas station near my home.
It started working with a standard USB A - B cable and no extra  
resistor.

As of the price sign it is a kombase 'USB-Ladestecker'. EAN:  
4260098010084
It costs ~ 15.95 €. But I am unsure you get the same. I have tried and  
succeeded.

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Good idea for other things - Was: Homemade USB gamepad (NeoPlay)

2009-12-12 Thread Lothar Behrens
Hi,

it is an interesting idea, but also it would be a starting point to  
create additional power contacts to the adapter.
Then a simple charging housing could be created to get rid of my  
troubles in my car adapter.

I always need to fiddle the USB cable into the neo and this could then  
avoided.

What about such an adapter?

Lothar

Am 08.12.2009 um 20:04 schrieb ANT:


 Hello!

 I developed a USB gamepad addon for Openmoko phones. It is tiny and  
 thin.
 The electronical part is based on Raphaël Assénat's [1] USB game  
 controller
 with 12 inputs [2] and uses the same firmware. Now Neo should beat  
 Gizmondo
 and Tapwave Zodiac :D

 There is a YouTube video [3] and a page with photos at Openmoko Wiki  
 [4].

 [1] http://www.raphnet.net/
 [2] http://www.raphnet.net/electronique/usb_game12/index_en.php
 [3] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8VRABmJKSw
 [4] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Gamepad_(NeoPlay)

 Cheers,
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Is sharing sound of mplayer output and speech-dispatcher to bluetooth device possible?

2009-12-06 Thread Lothar Behrens
Hi,

I would again ask if there has been any success to let navit speak to  
bluetooth headset?

Or if anyone has got speech-dispatcher to use bluetooth device.

I am able to play sound (mplayer + pm3 files) to A2DP. But I am not  
sure if both would work (when navit will speak, mplayer should pause).

Below, you will see how I start playing mp3 files over A2DP.

May it only missing something to do the same for navit?
Could I share playing mp3 and navit speech?
Can I extend the setup to also support redirecting speech-dispatcher  
output to bluetooth?

Is eventually kill -STOP mplayer, spd-say ..., kill -CONT mplayer  
an option to recognize navit saying something?

Start playing my playlist (random)

#!/bin/sh
killall -SIGQUIT mplayer

/home/root/setup-bluetooth-audio.sh
rm playlist-sorted.m3u
rm playlist.m3u
find /media/card/Musik -name *.mp3  /home/root/playlist-sorted.m3u
/home/root/scramble.py /home/root/playlist-sorted.m3u  /home/root/ 
playlist.m3u

mplayer -ao alsa:device=bluetooth -playlist /home/root/playlist.m3u 

sleep 3
# Helps a little bit to avoid 'gaps' in the voice. But not all  
problems are gone. Especially in car (when it is very hot) the 'gaps'  
reappear??
renice -19 `ps ax | grep mplayer | grep -Ev grep|Unknown | awk --  
'BEGIN {}{ print $1;}'`
renice -19 `ps ax | grep kmmcd | grep -Ev grep|Unknown | awk --  
'BEGIN {}{ print $1;}'`
renice -19 `ps ax | grep -E SDIO Helper | grep -Ev grep|Unknown |  
awk -- 'BEGIN {}{ print $1;}'`


#scramble.py
#!/usr/bin/env python
import sys, random
filename = sys.argv[1]
a = open(filename).read().strip().split(\n)
random.shuffle(a)
for i in a:
 print i


#/home/root/setup-bluetooth-audio.sh
!/bin/sh

export DEVICE=00:1D:82:04:AA:40

/etc/init.d/bluetooth stop
/etc/init.d/bluetooth start

sleep 1
passkey-agent --default  

/home/root/SetHeadSetDefault.py

#/home/root/SetHeadSetDefault.py
!/usr/bin/python
import dbus
bus = dbus.SystemBus()
manager = dbus.Interface(bus.get_object('org.bluez', '/org/bluez'),  
'org.bluez.Manager')
conn = manager.ActivateService('audio')
audio = dbus.Interface(bus.get_object(conn, '/org/bluez/audio'),  
'org.bluez.audio.Manager')
path = audio.CreateDevice('00:1D:82:04:AA:40')
audio.ChangeDefaultDevice(path)
print path
sink = dbus.Interface(bus.get_object(conn, path),  
'org.bluez.audio.Sink')
sink.Connect()

It would be a nice feature :-)

Thanks

Lothar

Am 18.02.2009 um 14:18 schrieb Lothar Behrens:

 See below...

 Am 15.02.2009 um 22:45 schrieb Rask Ingemann Lambertsen:

 On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 09:38:41PM +0100, Lothar Behrens wrote:
 Has no one got the output of speech-dispatcher into a bouetooth  
 headset ?

 Using mplayer -ao alsa:device=bluetooth works, but not spd-say. It
 always comes out of the speaker.

   What does the speech-dispatcher documentation say about selecting  
 a sound
 card for output?

 I havent found anyting usefull in the documentation or in the  
 configuration files.



   Also try some of the stuff from the wiki:
 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/ 
 Neo_1973_audio_subsystem#Driver_Status_3

   Specifically these:

 http://wiki.openmoko.org/images/3/3d/Btcpu_gta02.state.txt
 http://handheldshell.com/bluetooth_pcm
 http://opensource.wolfsonmicro.com/~gg/bluetooth-pcm/bluetooth_pcm.c

   Usage would be something like this:

 $ alsactl restore -f Btcpu_gta02.state.txt
 $ ./bluetooth_pcm 
 [play some sound here]

 using 'spd-say Hello' doesn't plays anything on my BT device.


 $ killall bluetooth_pcm


 Here it plays again on the internal speaker.

   The interesting controls of the state file are these:

 20 'Sidetone Capture Volume' - 0 (increase as needed).
 64 'Capture Right Mux' - 'Sidetone' to route playback mixer sound  
 into right ADC.
 66 'Capture Right Mixer' - 'Analogue Mix Right' to record right  
 channel
   from right ADC.
 67 'Capture Left Mixer' - 'Analogue Mix Right' to record left  
 channel
   also from right ADC.
 68 'Playback Mixer Voice Capture Sw' - false to not mix GSM output  
 into the
   sidetone.
 69 'Playback Mixer Left Capture Swi' - true to mix left output  
 into the
   sidetone.
 70 'Playback Mixer Right Capture Sw' - true to mix right output  
 into the
   sidetone.

 (Maybe look at control 22 'Capture Volume' too?)


 Are the settings for the state file above working for you playing  
 'spd-say Hello' without modifying the contents from that link ?

 After looking into the code, is there a need for modifying the  
 device respect to my neo ?

 This is because I call the following python script before I start  
 mplayer with bt support.

 #!/usr/bin/python
 import dbus
 bus = dbus.SystemBus()
 manager = dbus.Interface(bus.get_object('org.bluez', '/org/bluez'),  
 'org.bluez.Manager')
 conn = manager.ActivateService('audio')
 audio = dbus.Interface(bus.get_object(conn, '/org/bluez/audio'),  
 'org.bluez.audio.Manager')
 path = audio.CreateDevice('00:1D:82:04:AA:40')
 audio.ChangeDefaultDevice(path)
 print path
 sink = dbus.Interface(bus.get_object

Not really yet usable. but an idea for multitouch

2009-08-30 Thread Lothar Behrens
Hi,

I have seen this video and due to a wide angle, a similar solution may  
be adaptable:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5s5EvhHy7eQfeature=related

Any comments?

Lothar

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Developing wxWidgets applications?

2009-07-25 Thread Lothar Behrens
Hi,

a long time ago I was happy seeing the wxWidgets library on my neo.  
Now I have setup a development host for cross compiling my
application that needs that library. Some of my important base  
libraries were built but I am missing wx-config to correctly build the
wxWidgets based stuff.

Searching in my directory tree gave the following result:

lot...@mokodevelop:~/develop/Projects/CPP/BaseDevelopment sudo find /  
-name wx-config
/usr/local/openmoko/arm/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/usr/bin/wx-config
lot...@mokodevelop:~/develop/Projects/CPP/BaseDevelopment  ls -l /usr/ 
local/openmoko/arm/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/usr/bin/wx-config
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 67 24. Jul 22:53 /usr/local/openmoko/arm/arm- 
angstrom-linux-gnueabi/usr/bin/wx-config - /usr/lib/wx/config/arm- 
angstrom-linux-gnueabi-gtk2-ansi-release-2.8
lot...@mokodevelop:~/develop/Projects/CPP/BaseDevelopment ls -l /usr/ 
lib/wx/config/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi-gtk2-ansi-release-2.8
ls: Zugriff auf /usr/lib/wx/config/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi-gtk2- 
ansi-release-2.8 nicht möglich: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden

So the file is not installed whereas the library and the development  
libraries are installed:

lot...@mokodevelop:~/develop/Projects/CPP/BaseDevelopment opkg-target  
list_installed | grep wxwidgets
lot...@mokodevelop:~/develop/Projects/CPP/BaseDevelopment su
Passwort:
mokodevelop:/home/lothar/develop/Projects/CPP/BaseDevelopment # opkg- 
target list_installed | grep wxwidgets
bash: opkg-target: command not found
mokodevelop:/home/lothar/develop/Projects/CPP/BaseDevelopment # . /usr/ 
local/openmoko/arm/bin/setup-env
mokodevelop:/home/lothar/develop/Projects/CPP/BaseDevelopment # opkg- 
target list_installed | grep wxwidgets
wxwidgets - 2.8.9-r0 -
wxwidgets-dev - 2.8.9-r0 -

What am I missing?

Has anyone successfully compiled the library and a sample application?

Also I suspect getting trouble not having the unixODBC libraries. What  
is about the ODBC support?
(At the beginning I thought I deactivate the support for ODBC in my  
code and only support Sqlite)

Thanks

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[Om 2008] Re: fixing bug #1024 successful reports?

2009-07-23 Thread Lothar Behrens
Hi,

I am also interested to get my daily phone :-)

Why not just soldering another 10uF capacitor on top of the other. As  
I think soldering the capacitor to the shielding on the right
yet requires an insulator.

That way no long extra wires may be needed and no unsoldering is  
required.

Some questions:

I have read that making phone calls is impossible with that recamping,  
but I am able to do phone calls. I tried to start logging the
battery with

r...@om-gta02 ~ $ while true; do
  date
  mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.odeviced /org/freesmartphone/Device/ 
PowerSupply/battery org.freesmartphone.Device.PowerSupply.GetInfo
  sleep 5
  done  battery-data

to compare the data, but I do not have mdbus command and it seems not  
to be installable with opkg (OM 2008).
Where do I get it?

What capacitor voltage is required or what capacitor could be used or  
where could I get a sample / buy one (22uF 0805 low-ESR)?

I have no matching screwdriver, but an ESD save place to solder the  
capacitor with a Weller WECP 20.

Is there any hardware fix party planned near stuttgart (I could  
provide the ESD equipment)?

Is that ok?

Thanks

Lothar

Am 22.07.2009 um 16:46 schrieb Daniel Willmann:

 Hi,

 On Tue, 21 Jul 2009 16:48:25 +0400
 ivvmm unachieva...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hello list,

 were there any successful fixes since posting
 http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/hardware/2009-May/001192.html

 Is this the final solution? Please post here your reports.

 Since about 5 days I'm using my #1024 fixed device as my main phone
 (before I only used it with my test SIM) and so far stability is  
 pretty
 good. I measured standby time (GSM on, phone in suspend) of around  
 140h
 which makes the Freerunner much more comfortable to use in my opinion.
 While increasing the capacitance does work to solve #1024 the actual
 problem is that the capacitor is not integrated in the regulator
 feedback loop (iirc). So while it's not the correct solution it's
 probably the best you can do without another hardware revision.


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Re: [Om 2008] Re: fixing bug #1024 successful reports?

2009-07-23 Thread Lothar Behrens

Am 23.07.2009 um 18:11 schrieb Al Johnson:

 On Thursday 23 July 2009, Lothar Behrens wrote:
 Hi,

 I am also interested to get my daily phone :-)

 Why not just soldering another 10uF capacitor on top of the other. As
 I think soldering the capacitor to the shielding on the right
 yet requires an insulator.

 I don't think there's enough space under the can. If there had been  
 I doubt
 people would have been using the methods in this thread:
 http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/hardware/2009-June/001230.html

Ok, I don't know. As of reported to work I would do it as described.  
But I also wait about my reseller
(pulster) if this is a warranty. Then I wouldn't do the work by my  
self :-)

If not, I would like to see some pictures from that. Are there any  
around?



 That way no long extra wires may be needed and no unsoldering is
 required.

 The method in the post above avoids the long wire and unsoldering,  
 but still
 needs insulation above and below.

The insulation I think is better than not doing it :-)



 Some questions:

 I have read that making phone calls is impossible with that  
 recamping,
 but I am able to do phone calls.

 You can't make or receive the call when the phone isn't registered,  
 and in
 worst case the phone will spend ~1/3 of the time reregistering.  
 Networks seem
 to handle reregistrations differently though - O2 UK sometimes  
 thought the
 phone was switched off when I called it, while Orange and t-mobile  
 always
 connected. This may have been luck though...

I indeed had some reregistering and saw that by the symbol :-)



 I tried to start logging the battery with

 r...@om-gta02 ~ $ while true; do

 date
 mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.odeviced /org/freesmartphone/Device/

 PowerSupply/battery org.freesmartphone.Device.PowerSupply.GetInfo

 sleep 5
 done  battery-data

 to compare the data, but I do not have mdbus command and it seems not
 to be installable with opkg (OM 2008).
 Where do I get it?

 It wouldn't help on om2008.x as it isn't using FSO. You should be  
 able to use
 apm or the sysfs battery entry to get similar information though. See:
   http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_sysfs


I am look forward to update to a newer version of whatever. There I  
only need something:
Working phone (calls/sms), working GPS (with navit), working WLAN (at  
least with scripts).
A plus would be bluetooth with headset for car radio and optionally  
working hands free.

Has the Om2009 such a feature set?

Thanks

Lothar



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Re: Toolchain-VM for C/Vala programs?

2009-07-01 Thread Lothar Behrens
Hi,

I am interested too in this project, but I would suggest using a  
readonly base image and an
additional writable to decrease the download size while development  
until to a stable.

Is this possible?

Thanks

Lothar


Am 30.06.2009 um 14:44 schrieb Christ van Willegen:

 On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 3:20 PM, Aapo
 Rantalainenaapo.rantalai...@gmail.com wrote:
 If I make VirtualBox virtualmachine containing installed om- 
 toolchain,
 where I should upload it? It is sure that somebody wants something
 else than VirtualBox, but this it only what I can offer.

 That would be great, I've been trying _forever_ to get a reasonably
 small virtual host 'together' for building OM apps! It would make app
 starting a bugfixing so much easier!

 Regards,

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Re: intone a2dp (bluetooth) support

2009-06-13 Thread Lothar Behrens

Am 13.06.2009 um 09:16 schrieb GNUtoo:

 On Wed, 2009-06-10 at 10:08 -0500, The Digital Pioneer wrote:
 I play oggs with intone/a2dp, but I have to renice mplayer to -19 to
 keep it smooth. It still cuts occasionally, but that could just be
 connectivity.
 don't forget to edit mplayer's configuration in order to tell him to  
 use
 tremor(fixed point ogg decider)
 Denis.

I have discovered the same cuts and using mplayer using a2dp without  
any other frontend (reniced to -19).
While trying to figure out the reason of the cuts I have these thougt's:

The cuts come when I drive the car in sunny weather (hot) after a while.
The cuts come when I charge the bettery (car/wall charger). The cuts  
goes away after a while holding the phone
into the air con stream.

It seems a temperature problem. So first I thought the SD card or the  
path from there is a problem.
But that isn't as I have tested mplayer in ssh to see console output.  
No error messages.
Also I got no bandwidth problems downloading planet.bin for navit  
while playing music.

Now I have tried to renice some other processes while testing it with  
the omnewrotate while rotating. There are also
these cuts and after renicing kmmcd to -19 these cuts dissapeared.

But I ran navit while these tests and when calculating a route the  
cuts appeared. But this may also solved by playing
with the other related processes.

But what I think is a problem when a phone call comes into the phone  
while all this. If mplayer' is running the ring event
or the like should pause any mp3 or ogg players :-)

It's because I have figured out much response problems while this  
happens and a phone call may get unanswered.

Beside of renicing kmmcd, SDIO Helper and mplayer I then got a problem  
with my WLAN connection. So it is a bit more
work to get all working well.

I'll now test navigarion in a car, but it is not that hot today.

Lothar


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Navit internal GUI

2009-06-12 Thread Lothar Behrens
Hi,

I have used navit for a while now and today I have updated to  
svn-2314. It gets better and better, but I still have my problems with
some parts of the internal GUI.

When adding more bookmarks than the screen can display I have no  
option to scroll in the bookmark list. So more than a hand full
of bookmarks are unusable. (If I am not missing any way to lookup the  
bookmarks)

When displaying the route description a next and prev button is shown  
and this could be used for all list data.

Thinking about bookmarks, why not adding a feature to the address book  
to start navit with the contact as destination?
(Or correlate the data anyhow)

Beside the problems and idea, congratulation. The route calculation  
seems much faster now !

Lothar

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Neo to be used as a WLAN phone connected to a Linux server with an ISDN card possible?

2009-05-07 Thread Lothar Behrens
Hi,

I am asking if it would be possible to use my Neo FreeRunner to be a  
phone to be used instead of an ISDN dect phone?
I have a Linux server, but not tried any of this. If possible, what  
packages do I need (on FreeRunner and openSuSE Linux 11.1)

Thanks

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Re: Neo to be used as a WLAN phone connected to a Linux server with an ISDN card possible?

2009-05-07 Thread Lothar Behrens
Ok,

thanks. I have a AVM Fritz PCI ISDN card that works with the answering  
machine and the fax software hylafax.
So I'll give it a try.

The Fritz is as lspci -v told:

00:0c.0 Network controller: AVM GmbH A1 ISDN [Fritz] (rev 02)
Subsystem: AVM GmbH FRITZ!Card ISDN Controller
Flags: medium devsel, IRQ 10
Memory at fdb0 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=32]
I/O ports at 9000 [size=32]
Kernel modules: hisax_fcpcipnp, hisax

Would that work?

Lothar

Am 07.05.2009 um 13:27 schrieb Timo Juhani Lindfors:

 Lothar Behrens lothar.behr...@lollisoft.de writes:
 I am asking if it would be possible to use my Neo FreeRunner to be a
 phone to be used instead of an ISDN dect phone?
 I have a Linux server, but not tried any of this. If possible, what
 packages do I need (on FreeRunner and openSuSE Linux 11.1)

 If asterisk can make calls using your ISDN line then this should be
 very easy. Just use linphone3 SIP client on FR and register to your
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Re: Watching videos on neo freerunner (openmoko 2008.12) mplayer-glamo

2009-04-19 Thread Lothar Behrens

Am 14.04.2009 um 23:08 schrieb drac2000:



 ...
 Hey and when you use vdr (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_Disk_Recorder
 ) and a plugin to transcode it for small screens, you could watch tv
 live!
 ...


 I am a big Vdr fun
 I am trying to make it work on vdr playback first
 When you say watch tv live what do you mean by that ? You're gonna  
 kill me if you tell me that you are watching live Vdr on your FR

I can watch german DVB-T stream live on my Neo :-)

But not yet recorded videos, because I havent found a plugin for vdr  
to transcode recordings AND stream them.
An option would be a client that browses a samba share of recorded  
videos, but then the transcodings must be processed
anyhow beforehand.

I have created a video about that showing it working in parallel to my  
Mac showing news. But the video is currently about 2Gig :-(
Not compressed VGA size. There is also other report about the neo and  
it's usability - but german - I haven't yet translated the video
to english.

This + shrinking the size costs another day of work I think.

What could I use to get it ready for youtube (Linux or mac)?

I have created the video with my Nicon S500 camera and done the cut  
with HyperEngine-AV on my Mac.
Not good, but you see it working :-)

Some issues with navit I reported are not correct at all for now. so I  
think I will cut them out and create only a short one for vdr + neo  
issue.

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Re: Watching videos on neo freerunner (openmoko 2008.12) mplayer-glamo

2009-04-08 Thread Lothar Behrens
This is really good news!

I have measured about 70% to 80% with mplayer.

Hey and when you use vdr (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_Disk_Recorder 
) and a plugin to transcode it for small screens, you could watch tv  
live!

I have tried that and it works very well. Now I have made a small  
video, recording the Neo and in paralell my Mac with sound.
Indeed my sound on the neo is routed to my Jabra 3030 BT device, so it  
is a nice TV for looking in bed, before giong to sleep.

What about the law to publish the video?

How small should it be - 1 minute?

It's german news from today at about 13:15 from ZDF.

We could do such stuff - right and legal to demonstrate the features  
and try to bring such presentations to the press.
As I read an article, most companies would be likely show only the  
positive things in their advertisement and wrap the
not so good features with long technical specifications. This is a  
marketing trick.

Here, the heise publisher reports about the tricks: 
http://www.heise.de/ct/Spar-Schweinereien--/artikel/135132
I don't know, if this article is also published in english.

So keep on going to produce 'good' press materal and find sponsors to  
publish them!

Or even simply keep staying legal with the content.

What do you think?

The video that is recorded is about 1GB. I can try to work on it, but  
I need some ideas about the length the TV recordings must be at maximum.

Lothar

Am 08.04.2009 um 11:50 schrieb Leonti Bielski:

 Denis, thanks a lot!
 I've put your config file on wiki.

 Now I can play video from memory card using only 15% of CPU!

 Leonti

 On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 11:50 PM, Denis Shulyaka shuly...@gmail.com  
 wrote:
 2009/4/8 Ivan Shirokov ivanshirok...@gmail.com:
 Does it work for FSO? Somehow it hangs up my FR. And there's  
 something like
 Your system is too slow in the console =(

 Actually, the mplayer build that is suggested in the wiki uses mp3lib
 for decoding mp3 audio tracks by default. I suggest you adding
 afm=ffmpeg line to ~/.mplayer/config file to force using ffmpeg's
 internal mp3 decoder, or use a build without mp3lib support. It
 appears to be more than 3 times faster on my FR!
 Here is my ~/.mplayer/config file:

 vo=xover:glamo,x11
 display=:0
 afm=ffmpeg
 fs=1
 quiet=1
 osdlevel=0
 noautosub=1
 stop-xscreensaver=1

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Re: Watching videos on neo freerunner (openmoko 2008.12) mplayer-glamo

2009-04-08 Thread Lothar Behrens
Not yet. I have grabbed the information from what was available.

So maybe I seek the places and think about these descriptions to  
concentrate it or simply
link them as the steps to do.

Thus I have to backup my settings, grab those needed for the  
functionality and replay the setup
procedure to approve it before writing from my stuff in brain.

I vagually remember a mail I have sent about the Jabra BT issue here.  
I must search for it :-)

Lothar

Am 08.04.2009 um 14:10 schrieb Risto H. Kurppa:

 On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 2:40 PM, Lothar Behrens
 lothar.behr...@lollisoft.de wrote:
 Hey and when you use vdr (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_Disk_Recorder
 ) and a plugin to transcode it for small screens, you could watch tv
 live!

 I have tried that and it works very well. Now I have made a small
 video, recording the Neo and in paralell my Mac with sound.
 Indeed my sound on the neo is routed to my Jabra 3030 BT device, so  
 it
 is a nice TV for looking in bed, before giong to sleep.

 Have you documented the setup somewhere (openmoko wiki?) , I'd like to
 see how do you do it..

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Re: Watching videos on neo freerunner (openmoko 2008.12) mplayer-glamo (Was Re: Jabra BT3030 experience anywhere ?)

2009-04-08 Thread Lothar Behrens
Here it is, what I have published that time:

Searching for 'Jabra' on the wiki gave no result and searching for  
'Bluetooth' gave no headline regarding to Jabra, but I
know, there is a A2DP page (http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/A2DP). The  
Jabra 3030 BT isn't reported there to work.

So before I do, has it been put by someone at the wiki or anywhere?

Lothar

Am 19.01.2009 um 14:34 schrieb Lothar Behrens:

 Hi,

 now I have got the Jabra BT3030 working. Excelent sound, no crushing  
 noices as experienced with my Mac OS X :-)

 I also have successfully tested connection with a second phone to  
 test incoming calls. I'll hear a ring and I could accept
 and speak.

 Once the mplayer didn't come back with sound. I'll figure out the  
 cause if I have time. Restarting helped to solve.

 The installation steps, Steven has explained, are correct, but on  
 the 2008.12 are some packages not installed.

 I am using mplayer. And there is a working description as of post  
 from Glen at 29. Dezember 2008 04:27:48 MEZ.
 There was only an issue with the libgcc library that was too old,  
 thus sdl couldn't be installed, what mplayer caused to
 be not startable. (At least today)

 After installing the following package, sdl was installable and  
 mplayer would work.

 http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/feeds/2008/ipk/glibc/armv4t/base/libgcc1_4.2.4-r5.1_armv4t.ipk

 Also missing is the bluez-utils-alsa package. Mplayer couldn't find

 These are my packets:

 r...@om-gta02:~# opkg list_installed | grep blue
 bluez-audio - 3.33-r3 -
 bluez-hcidump - 1.42-r0 -
 bluez-utils - 3.33-r3 -
 bluez-utils-alsa - 3.33-r3 -
 bluez-utils-compat - 3.33-r3 -
 kernel-module-bluetooth -  
 3:2.6.24+gitr76014+fb42ce6724576fc173faf8abfb04aa2c36d213b7-r2.01 -
 libbluetooth2 - 3.33-r0 -

 The other packages are as reported from Glen.

 Here is my script to use the headset. (The bluetooth device must be  
 activated, or added as a line):

 #!/bin/sh

 export DEVICE=XX:XX:XX:XX:XX:XX

 /etc/init.d/bluetooth stop
 /etc/init.d/bluetooth start

 sleep 1
 passkey-agent --default  

 sleep 1
 echo Create bonding
 dbus-send --system --type=method_call --print-reply -- 
 dest=org.bluez /org/bluez/hci0 org.bluez.Adapter.CreateBonding  
 string:$DEVICE

 sleep 1
 echo Activating service audio
 dbus-send --system --print-reply --dest=org.bluez /org/bluez  
 org.bluez.Manager.ActivateService string:audio

 sleep 1
 echo Creating device
 dbus-send --system --type=method_call --print-reply -- 
 dest=org.bluez /org/bluez/audio org.bluez.audio.Manager.CreateDevice  
 string:$DEVICE

 sleep 1
 echo Connecting sink
 dbus-send --system --type=method_call --print-reply --dest=org.bluez  
 /org/bluez/audio/device0 org.bluez.audio.Sink.Connect


 To use the bluetooth audio device, the player has to started with  
 the correct parameters.

 Have fun - I have :-)

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Autorun for SD card mechanism?

2009-04-08 Thread Lothar Behrens
There is an idea rattling in my head about the following issue:

Given I have a micro SD card and that would have all here, what is  
about a bootstrap mechanism to
post install packages that are laying on that card to be installed,  
when a new image is started at first time?

Like the autorun of a CD, this would help to ease the distro switch  
but keep my usual applications that otherwise
have to be installed manually.

This would include SSH settings, WLAN settings, look and feel, and  
what ever may possible.

What about it?

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Re: Autorun for SD card mechanism?

2009-04-08 Thread Lothar Behrens
Ok, as the idea was good, more thoughts:

1.) Using the sd card to store jet installed application information  
is not good. Then it would only run the first distro switch.
2.) Keep in mind, that packages from the usual opkg may be installed  
in later releases. And it may or may not reinstalled.
3.) Using a database repository in the net to update a local database  
of applications that may installable without problems
per distro.
4.) If a user add's an application with opkg, a choice could be made  
to activate autoinstall for later switches.
5.) If the application isn't in the database on the net, or the local  
copy, add it but mark it as untested.
6.) The database could be used for a hitlist of installed applications  
that would really used, because a reinstall could be counted.
7.) Untested applications that should be installed, could be  
complained about and a choice could be made.
8.) Feedback if successfully installed application makes problems. The  
user should be asked some time later and he/she may make choices
as of like this: 'App1 is usable', 'App2 has problems on this distro'  
and so forth.

That way, we get feedback of the most used applications, we see the  
quality in the installability and we may spot conflicts.

Next, if a distro decides to add an application as default, it could  
be marked as installed by that distro. This leads propably to an  
update process
per distro and thus a local copy (if there will be really some for  
offline installations) could either removed any time - by asking or  
the app on the
card could also get updated.

Keep in mind that there are issues with the applications data. If this  
data is not at least backed up to sd card, a distro switch may kill  
your data :-)

Also keep in mind, that users don't want to give that feedback. We  
don't do it like some companies do collect their statistical :-)

It is not easy and I don't like to only create a quick hack, that  
would not work at all.

Lothar

Am 08.04.2009 um 16:28 schrieb Pander:

 in the first boot, also make the most default choices of all when
 /media/card/post directory is found. e.g. English, Illume SHR theme,
 ..., next, next, next, finish ;)

 Johny Tenfinger wrote:
 Hmm... Maybe there is a place for some app... shr-firstboot :) It
 could also replace first boot creator from e17, which isn't very
 useful on Neos...

 2009/4/8, Pander pan...@users.sourceforge.net:
 good idea. I already have all those files on SD but after each  
 upgrade
 have to install them manually, which is annoying.

 I would suggest something like:

 1) notify user to do an opkg update and opkg upgrade first

 2) change to post installation directory
 cd /media/card/post

 3) change to package directory and install all that is in there
 cd packages
 opkg install *.ipk *.opk
 cd ..

 4) override files
 cd override
 [[copy all files to root of system, e.g. override/etc/blabla to
 /etc/blabla]]
 cd ..

 5) path files
 cd patches
 [[apply all patchers to root of system]]
 cd ..

 off course documenting your changes via patches/diffs is preferred  
 over
 overriding, allowing improvements in other parts of the files via  
 opkg
 upgrade before you start.

 Johny Tenfinger wrote:
 Shortly: Let's write it ;)

 2009/4/8, Lothar Behrens lothar.behr...@lollisoft.de:
 There is an idea rattling in my head about the following issue:

 Given I have a micro SD card and that would have all here, what is
 about a bootstrap mechanism to
 post install packages that are laying on that card to be  
 installed,
 when a new image is started at first time?

 Like the autorun of a CD, this would help to ease the distro  
 switch
 but keep my usual applications that otherwise
 have to be installed manually.

 This would include SSH settings, WLAN settings, look and feel, and
 what ever may possible.

 What about it?

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Re: Autorun for SD card mechanism?

2009-04-08 Thread Lothar Behrens
Yes,

I agree with that when data should be used from sdcard, if there are  
these files. That would be the quick hack in my mind.

But I brought up my points in case if there are applications for  
specific distros and versions that may be incompatible to each other?
I don't know if the issue will make the whole thing too complex, but I  
thought to discuss about it.

I have had a case where I gone back to an older version, but it didn't  
worked any more and I didn't know, wich versions do fit together.

Am 09.04.2009 um 01:02 schrieb Pander:

 A directory called
 /media/card/post/linked
 with e.g. files like
 /media/card/post/linked/root/.cellhunter
 /media/card/post/linked/root/Maps/
 the original /root/.cellhunter file and /root/Maps directory will be
 deleted and a soft link will be created to the ones in linked  
 directory.

 Lothar Behrens wrote:
 Ok, as the idea was good, more thoughts:

 1.)  Using the sd card to store jet installed application information
 is not good. Then it would only run the first distro switch.
 2.)  Keep in mind, that packages from the usual opkg may be installed
 in later releases. And it may or may not reinstalled.
 3.)  Using a database repository in the net to update a local database
 of applications that may installable without problems
  per distro.
 4.)  If a user add's an application with opkg, a choice could be made
 to activate autoinstall for later switches.
 5.)  If the application isn't in the database on the net, or the local
 copy, add it but mark it as untested.
 6.)  The database could be used for a hitlist of installed  
 applications
 that would really used, because a reinstall could be counted.
 7.)  Untested applications that should be installed, could be
 complained about and a choice could be made.
 8.)  Feedback if successfully installed application makes problems.  
 The
 user should be asked some time later and he/she may make choices
  as of like this: 'App1 is usable', 'App2 has problems on this  
 distro'
 and so forth.

 That way, we get feedback of the most used applications, we see the
 quality in the installability and we may spot conflicts.

 Next, if a distro decides to add an application as default, it could
 be marked as installed by that distro. This leads propably to an
 update process
 per distro and thus a local copy (if there will be really some for
 offline installations) could either removed any time - by asking or
 the app on the
 card could also get updated.

 Keep in mind that there are issues with the applications data. If  
 this
 data is not at least backed up to sd card, a distro switch may kill
 your data :-)

 Also keep in mind, that users don't want to give that feedback. We
 don't do it like some companies do collect their statistical :-)

 It is not easy and I don't like to only create a quick hack, that
 would not work at all.

 Lothar

 Am 08.04.2009 um 16:28 schrieb Pander:

 in the first boot, also make the most default choices of all when
 /media/card/post directory is found. e.g. English, Illume SHR theme,
 ..., next, next, next, finish ;)

 Johny Tenfinger wrote:
 Hmm... Maybe there is a place for some app... shr-firstboot :) It
 could also replace first boot creator from e17, which isn't very
 useful on Neos...

 2009/4/8, Pander pan...@users.sourceforge.net:
 good idea. I already have all those files on SD but after each
 upgrade
 have to install them manually, which is annoying.

 I would suggest something like:

 1) notify user to do an opkg update and opkg upgrade first

 2) change to post installation directory
 cd /media/card/post

 3) change to package directory and install all that is in there
 cd packages
 opkg install *.ipk *.opk
 cd ..

 4) override files
 cd override
 [[copy all files to root of system, e.g. override/etc/blabla to
 /etc/blabla]]
 cd ..

 5) path files
 cd patches
 [[apply all patchers to root of system]]
 cd ..

 off course documenting your changes via patches/diffs is preferred
 over
 overriding, allowing improvements in other parts of the files via
 opkg
 upgrade before you start.

 Johny Tenfinger wrote:
 Shortly: Let's write it ;)

 2009/4/8, Lothar Behrens lothar.behr...@lollisoft.de:
 There is an idea rattling in my head about the following issue:

 Given I have a micro SD card and that would have all here,  
 what is
 about a bootstrap mechanism to
 post install packages that are laying on that card to be
 installed,
 when a new image is started at first time?

 Like the autorun of a CD, this would help to ease the distro
 switch
 but keep my usual applications that otherwise
 have to be installed manually.

 This would include SSH settings, WLAN settings, look and feel,  
 and
 what ever may possible.

 What about it?

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Re: Hardware mods in India

2009-04-07 Thread Lothar Behrens
Good link. I think we should collect them and learn from each other.
Also making it an overview what about the movement is going on.

At http://openblog.methril.net/ the work was adapted to a new device :-)
Great.

The more devices are supported the more possible developers get  
involved to
make the distibution better.

What else devices are available or is being developed for?

Do you share my mind?

Lothar

Am 07.04.2009 um 12:28 schrieb Alok G. Singh:


 Is there a place in India, preferably Bangalore to get the GPS TTFF  
 fix
 and the buzz fix as well ? I have no hardware skills.

 I did mail Ida Systems[1] (who are the resellers in India) but I did  
 not
 get a reply.

 Footnotes:
 [1]  http://www.idasystems.net/

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Re: Slashdotted

2009-04-07 Thread Lothar Behrens

Am 07.04.2009 um 14:11 schrieb Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman):


 because nokia make dozens of phones and are not stopping ALL of  
 them. when a
 company stops its entire development of new products in a product  
 line... in
 fact its ONLY product that is publically known (development meaning  
 the next
 improved version) it does make new. it matters. it is the same as is  
 nokia
 stopped making ALL phones and decided to start making shoes instead.  
 that'd make
 news!. :) these things  create a life of their own - if they are  
 correct or
 not. the media interprets it in the way to make it as sensational as  
 possible.
 sensation sells to readers. readers mean ads ... and ads are  
 revenue. if half
 the worlds news was reported realistically in proportion.. you would  
 have a
 pretty boring media. :)

That's what was jumping around in my brain. It's lke the german  
sensation focused Bild newspaper :-)

Lothar

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Re: Camera module as back case (was Re: Slashdotted)

2009-04-06 Thread Lothar Behrens
The expansion spacer is exactly what could be done for a hands on  
hobby electronics playground :-)
(http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wishlist/ExpansionSpacer)

What I mean with the replacement back case, is that you don't need to  
screw up the torx and add the
spacer. The end user don't like to fiddle with that. He simply wants  
to change the front and back covers
by ones with other color.

Adding a cam inside there would be doable without the risk of less  
stability of the back cover to keep
the howsing closed.

The issue is with the bigger or second battery. Does it still keep  
closed or could it easyly fall out due to
the wight.

Modifying the battery housing to be more likely a snap in for the  
bettery would solve this issue. With the
higher cover also a different battery could be used and with the snap  
in mechanics it will hopefully no problem
for the stability.

The contacts for the signals, whatever is used, should be similar to  
the battery contacts. Using any jack like the
USB on the outside is fiddling.

I know it by fiddling my car holder for the neo to connect the usb  
power cable.

For sample, we could use the connector aparatus like that from the SD  
card. Using a one side mounted plate with a
spring behind the other side the 'SD card' would propably savely  
'connect' to the SD card connector used as the jack.
(If the usual spring based connector pins like the battery aren't  
enough)

I don't know how stable the hinge would be as also the moving wires  
that goes to the cover's electronic, but it's worth a try.
The snap in mechanism of the cover will help adjusting the place where  
the jack must be.

Lothar

Am 06.04.2009 um 12:49 schrieb Robin Paulson:

 2009/4/6 Robin Paulson robin.paul...@gmail.com:
 there were a few tentative steps on the wiki some months back
 concerning alternate cases, and this was one suggested idea

 lots around here:
 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Category:Hardware_ideas

 expansion back looks like it covers your camera module

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Camera module as back case (was Re: Slashdotted)

2009-04-06 Thread Lothar Behrens
About the camera issue:

I have read something about a small computer base case that has a jack  
or bus system ontop of it's
case. That way it is extendable with cameras or what ever. I don't  
know where it was but it was cool.

Why not think about a back case that includes a cam and using contacts  
in the inner housing to connect
the cam to, say an I2C bus or even an USB hub (USB2)?

If an USB jack is mounted that way, such a 'pimp my neo with a cam  
module' would propably a gatget
one could buy. (Expected he want's a camera :-)

The usual neo looks as before when this replacement back case isn't  
used and when used, there may also
the possibility to add an extra battery.

I asked some time ago, if it would be practical to have a database  
application on the neo
(Database applications practical on mobile device ?).

There was an interest, that may also involved to have a camera option: 
http://www.thehumanjourney.net/
Joseph Reeves argued that it would be very interesting to contribute  
or evaluate. As he is a member at the above link,
the 'archaeology service' would propably benefit from such a cam  
gatget with extra battery, because they seem
to make much pictures in the archaeology work, thus they need also  
long live usability.

If the gatget didn't really be implementable with the USB connector in  
mind, it would be an option to connect with
bluetooth and only connect the extra battery.

Advantages:

One gatget to track GPS locations,
correlate directly the pictures with the GPS positions (I am  
struggling with my extra cam and the GPS traces),
propably add voice notes that are GPS correlated.

Development:

The standard back case, could be used to mod it as a first prototype.  
I have seen a post with pictures that show something
with an extra battery. (The second last picture from here: 
http://freeyourphone.de/portal_v1/gallery/views.php?start=20)
That could be done colleraborately. The bluetooth camera: 
http://digitalcameras.engadget.com/2006/04/02/kodaks-bluetooth-camera-module/

Design:

As thicker than one battery,
As thicker than a cam module,
As thicker than the supporting electronics.

Using BRLCAD could be an option to create a preview, when possible  
components with their sizes are choosen.

The database that may be the backend should be discussed separately. I  
am practicing the idea of model driven development and fast prototyping.
I have seen wxWidgtes on my neo, but not yet found the time to start  
porting my code to it :-(

But prototyping from a desktop would be possible for creating python  
CRUD applications at the end (code generation).

Lothar

Am 06.04.2009 um 10:29 schrieb David Reyes Samblas Martinez:

 I finally see your face :),  I also add great voice
 Great excerpt of what's going on there in OM  thanks steve.
 As Risto sais way to go :)

 2009/4/6 Steve Mosher st...@openmoko.com:
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_d8Tsvj2TdQ

 Hair straightener required.

 Risto H. Kurppa wrote:
 I'm just amazed to see this discussion, that actually someone from
 Openmoko (=Steve) is responding to the ideas, sharing their/his
 thoughts. As someone pointed already out earlier in this thread -  
 this
 is what an open company is supposed to be doing. Way to go, keep up
 the good work, we're looking forward to see the freeopen
 hair-straightener with WLAN :)

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Re: Camera module as back case (was Re: Slashdotted)

2009-04-06 Thread Lothar Behrens
I read the issue with removing the hole. The space in that 'hole'  
could be used as the
docking bay for extensions. Ok, the mic should somehow moved, or a  
'voicepipe' could
be used to direct the acustics.

A good starting point to use the space somehow useful.

Lothar

Am 06.04.2009 um 12:49 schrieb Robin Paulson:

 2009/4/6 Robin Paulson robin.paul...@gmail.com:
 there were a few tentative steps on the wiki some months back
 concerning alternate cases, and this was one suggested idea

 lots around here:
 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Category:Hardware_ideas

 expansion back looks like it covers your camera module

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Re: GPS emergency call standards

2009-04-06 Thread Lothar Behrens
Besides all the discussion. Is this here really yet patented?

http://www.brainshell.de/patentmarkt_ikt.php
http://www.brainshell.de/upload/Openmoko_de01b9e8b4.pdf

If a patent would disable an emergeny functionality like automating  
the alert
in case of 'changing behaviour' (accels), or it makes the device a bit  
more
expensive, because it helps save live, I must say patents are the  
wrong way.

I think, such an important issue should not be patented, because it is  
a feature
all phones should become and not only these whose manufacturer are  
willing
to pay the patent licenses.

Also, in my view, the amount of invention is not quite high to  
eligible for a patent.

What do you think?

Is there prior art?
http://www.steiger-stiftung.de/GPS-Ortung-So-funktioniert-s.67.0.html

An interactive location is established and is provided by many  
services, does an automation
of them by a change in accelorometer behavior not be always the  
conclusion to be the best?

Wouldn't that idea in someones head earlyer?

Lothar

Am 19.03.2009 um 01:18 schrieb Rask Ingemann Lambertsen:

 On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 02:58:10PM +0100, Tilman Baumann wrote:
 Harald Welte wrote:
 On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 12:06:20PM +0100, Tilman Baumann wrote:

 PS: According to Wikipedia, 112 works on all GSM networks no  
 matter if
 the number is a emergency number in tie state.

 that depends on what the network operator does.

 Yep, but there seems to be some international agreement on the
 significance of 112.
 I don't have any quote yet, but as far as I understood it is even
 required to by the GSM standards. But that might be wrong.

   A D112 AT command is mentioned in the 3GPP TS 07.07 specification  
 which you
 can get from here:
 http://www.3gpp.org/ftp/Specs/html-info/0707.htm
 Quoting section 8.3  Enter PIN +CPIN:

   NOTE:   Commands which interact with ME that are accepted when ME is
   pending SIM PIN, SIM PUK, or PH‑SIM are: +CGMI, +CGMM,
   +CGMR, +CGSN, D112; (emergency call), +CPAS, +CFUN, +CPIN,
   +CDIS (read and test command only), and +CIND (read and test
   command only).

   I don't know where the D112 command is documented. I also haven't  
 looked
 through the commands to see if there is a loophole such that you can  
 dial
 112 without making an emergency call.

   Btw, a few days ago danish media had a news story about unintended
 emergency calls. It appears that the answering machine offered by many
 telcos is partly to blame. What happens is that you press and hold  
 1 to
 speed dial your answering machine, press 1 to listen to a message  
 and
 press 2 to delete a message. Doing so leaves the number 112 on the
 display...

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CAD files and gCAD3D

2009-04-06 Thread Lothar Behrens
Hi,

I have just seen on the page http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/CAD_models  
that
gCAD3D could be used for previewing the CAD models.

Does it support boolean operations to derive other housings?

Is this tool propably usable to export in other formats?

I have tried to play with blender and it is a great animation tool. It  
also is relatively
easy to use when some introductory videos or screen casts are followed.

Also this application runs on Mac OS X I am mostly running.

Thanks

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Re: Camera module as back case (was Re: Slashdotted)

2009-04-06 Thread Lothar Behrens

Am 06.04.2009 um 21:03 schrieb Joerg Reisenweber:

 Am Mo  6. April 2009 schrieb Lothar Behrens:
 I read the issue with removing the hole. The space in that 'hole'
 could be used as the
 docking bay for extensions. Ok, the mic should somehow moved, or a
 'voicepipe' could
 be used to direct the acustics.

 A good starting point to use the space somehow useful.


 This unused space is part of GSM-ant design and it isn't that easy  
 to simply
 build some electronics to fit in there without detuning whole RF- 
 design
 and/or having nasty EMI-problems in the newly created addon.


Ahh ok. So beside this, a small sketch where addons could be placed  
would be helpfull
to not fall in that traps.

Are there save regions, say bottom layer to ground (HF shield) and SMD  
only on top of the board added?

Lothar

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Re: Slashdotted

2009-04-06 Thread Lothar Behrens

Am 06.04.2009 um 22:19 schrieb Max:

 so a switch to maemo ?


Why switching. It's an internet tablet, not really usable as a mobile  
phone - in my mind.

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Re: Slashdotted

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Re: Slashdotted

2009-04-05 Thread Lothar Behrens

Am 05.04.2009 um 18:14 schrieb Joerg Reisenweber:

 Am So  5. April 2009 schrieb Lothar Behrens:
 Hi,

 I am mostly reading and sometime writing here. If it was useful or
 useless - I don't know. But anyway.
 Isn't it possible to also develop hardware collaboratively?
 [...]
 Hi Lothar,
 nope this won't fly. It's basically the sw pov approach to hw  
 development
 Steve mentioned in one of his current posts.

I may read his post...


 Developing hw is more than creating a good looking schematics in  
 Eagle, and
 tasks like layout are partially done by autorouter and the other  
 half is a
 *close* *interactive* process between the layout gal, the EE guys,  
 the RF
 guys, the ME dept, sourcing dept etc etc.

It is indeed difficult. But otoh are many hw projects (http://opencores.org/ 
  or http://opencollector.org/ for sample),
or at least hw related.


 IIRC OM had some really nasty experience when outsourcing some  
 layout task.
 Just because the layout didn't understand exactly what EE had in  
 mind when
 creating the schem, and EE didn't closely check the work of layouters.


I don't speak about outsourcing. I have made similar experiences with  
outsourcing:

An EE project (motor control) should be outsourced, but the schematics  
were sent by faximile!
The result was about writing an application to compare the netlists to  
compare the then distinct
projects (different wire names and the like).

So don't split any EE project or work with different versions without  
a CVS or SVN!

But giving development boards or mobile phone development kits would  
be an option to
broaden the idea behind open mobile phone. Say, a GSM kit could be  
used for the carPC hobby
engineer. And there are really GSM modules sold by other companies. 
(http://www.gsm-modem.de/ 
)

Then you have the control about your pcb design, but propably broaden  
your product palette.

Not all developers need a complete telephone. But you could indeed get  
more value if the
'components' of a mobile device also spread the globe - as a  
development kit or separately.

 for your Q about project files instead of pdf: OM is making money by  
 selling
 hw, so there's not much sense in publishing data that doesn't help  
 EE guys in
 community to understand the hw but instead is only needed for  
 production
 purposes. In the end you can't do anything on a single-device basis  
 with
 layout or schem proj data you couldn't do without it. Or are you the  
 guy
 who's etching 8-layer at home and soldering uBGA by hand? ;-) You  
 can't patch
 a ready-done 8layer PCB, no matter what your document files are (sw  
 POV on
 hw!). And no company is going to invest in producing some dozen  
 proto PCB
 done by anonymous community guys, without checking each and every  
 trace and
 footprint again what in the end for sure is more work than doing it  
 inhouse
 from scratch.

I don't mean that you grab the prototypes blindly for your use. But  
didn't you think, the comunity
will also help in hardware aspects?

Maybe the devkit could be coubled with a contest, who develops the  
best mod or addon. Or as an early preview
for developers of software (the display discussion for sample:  
Touchscreen Capacitive (was Re: OT: iPhone howto)).

Did someone yet really implemented drivers for a multitouch display?

Wouldn't it good to get one preassembled from OM to develop for it?

Therefore a kit would be good. Also selling kits for parts only.

Gerald: It is worth to publish the private post :-)


 Other companies tend to keep schematics closed to protect their IP,  
 so we at
 OM at least don't want to give asian cloners a kickstart without  
 adding *any*
 benefit for our customers.

Do you really think, they don't get any value just from the PDF version?
Time will tell us this.

Other companies think about using the same idea behind open source for  
hardware. It's because
of one big issue today: The technologie changes so fast, that  
individual development is too expensive.

Opencores as mentioned above is impressing me. Another group is going  
similar steps in automotive. Even yet
closed and membership is propably very expensive, But there is  
movement in how to develop technical products.

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Re: Slashdotted

2009-04-05 Thread Lothar Behrens

Am 05.04.2009 um 21:00 schrieb Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller:

 Hi Lothar, Jörg, Sean, Steve, and all others who are interested in a  
 future GTA03,


[snip]

 * funding of the project organization (e.g. we can set up a  
 community funds or society or association or however the legal form  
 has to be choosen). Funding levels could start at 5€ per year for  
 students and go upwards for individuals and companies. And special  
 services (e.g. managing the production of 100 customized units)  
 could even provide more funding for the organization.

And indeed we fund with the purchase of our phones. I mostly played  
with the navit package and done some bug reports. It's a hobby and  
thus it would
also move someone to fund in comunity sub projects when there is a way  
of hand on soldering and the like.

Also I played with the CAD files, wrote a script to convert some of  
them, that costs me about 1 day. It is a fund. The idea behind that  
was to make the CAD
files available in more formats and thus propably push private case  
mods.



 A word to all those who think Hardware can not be developed by a  
 community should take a look at:

   http://www.amsat.org/

 Building, launching and operating not only 1 but approx. 50  
 satellites in the past 30 years is definitively more complex than  
 building an open smartphone.

Hmm. Then open source projects were not the first movements in the  
spirit of openess :-)

This is a great sample.

Here are some links about mobile equipment resellers:

TFT displays:
http://www.cartft.com/catalog/gl/111

USB display
http://www.cartft.com/catalog/il/1057

carPC site (german):
http://www.car-pc.info/

A link to books about building car PC's (linked in the carPC site):
http://www.amazon.de/dp/0071468269?tag=cartftcom-21camp=1410creative=6378linkCode=as1creativeASIN=0071468269adid=044B8W2G03ATQDZ5ECZK;

This is unrelated but there are always people who build their own :-)

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Interesting gadget for navit application and a feature enabler (was Re: Slashdotted)

2009-04-05 Thread Lothar Behrens
Just to mention here, also found at the car TFT site (GNS FM9 TMC  
receiver (miniUSB) *neu*):

http://www.cartft.com/catalog/il/1016

This may be interesting for the navit project.

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Re: Slashdotted

2009-04-05 Thread Lothar Behrens
 list at
 openmoko.org to get this started.

We don't let the press in the glue we can't manage this. Beat them :-)

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Re: FatFingerShell vt with fullscreen keyboard

2009-03-31 Thread Lothar Behrens
Hi,

nice idea. Is it coupled only with a shell or could I use it for other  
applications?

And do activation of it with the accelerometers. Also the idea with  
the overlay would
be great. Still see what the application behint shows while entering  
commands.

So for any applications, if the focus is on a control that requires  
the keyboard, shaking
the neo would activate the overlay keyboard at the actual control...

Then each application could benefit from it.

Thanks and I'll try it if I have time.

Lothar

Am 27.03.2009 um 08:03 schrieb Rafael Ignacio Zurita:

 Hello people,

  it is a new virtual terminal for Openmoko, with a complete  
 fullscreen keyboard
 and sound.

 You can set the colors and the transparency, set new keyboard  
 layouts (hard yet)
 and replace the sounds.

 This terminal should be useful for bash/vi and other common console  
 tools. The
 fullscreen keyboard should be comfortable for fat fingers.

 Check the videos to know the idea :

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qR4FETGzkA
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f67HKAkx61w

 How to test:
 

 - download the package:
  http://fz.hobby-site.org/om/fatfingershell/fatfingershell_0.1.tar.gz
 - install libsdl, libsdl_mixer, libsdl_ttf packages
 - add export TERM=vt100 into ~/.bashrc
 - you need installed bash

 tar xvzf fatfingershell_0.1.tar.gz
 cd fatfingershell/
 ./fatfingershell.sh

 If you have problems check fatfingershell.sh script to realize out  
 how to run
 this version manually.


 The package is an alpha version to check how well the ideas work.
 There are bugs, and lot of problems surely. The package and the  
 source code
 have a README file with known problems, TODO list and other  
 instructions.

 Other files:
 README: http://fz.hobby-site.org/om/fatfingershell/README.txt
 source code: 
 http://fz.hobby-site.org/om/fatfingershell/fatfingershell-src_0.1.tar.gz

 Feedback, suggestions and ideas are welcome.

 Saludos!,
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Re: Lack of structured information

2009-02-25 Thread Lothar Behrens
About all the discussion about documentation and searching them, what  
about using a

knowledge management system ?

If I do a search for 'api sleep' in the Openmoko wiki, I get 9 search  
results, If I search for

'api wakeup' I get 5 results.

If I search for 'acpi' I get 3 results.

All these seem not to bring up what I search for. Why ?

I probably have searched with the wrong words. For me this may simply  
lack of knowledge
if sysfs has any relation to the information about power management  
(especially where the

device is currently powered from).

But it may be related.

With a knowledge system you would propably get a list of related  
keywords + short descriptions

what is handled there.

Then I do not need to read all the found articles to spot those who  
are really related to my search.


So how about using a knowledge management system to link information  
semantically ?


There is no need to put all the documentation in it, but each visitor  
who might found a relation not
in the knowledge base system could add one linking in the article to  
the related content even it is

not in the openmoko wiki.

Each link may be weighted by a voting system thus it will increase the  
quality of the link - if that is

possible with any knowledge management system.

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OT: iPhone howto

2009-02-24 Thread Lothar Behrens

I came across this nice video: 
http://www.bikinirama.de/img/user/Videos/BIKINIRAMA_iPhone_011_3224.mov

Have fun :-)

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Re: GPS emergency call standards

2009-02-24 Thread Lothar Behrens
Even if the GPS location is not actually got, the phone software in  
that case
could activate GPS automatically. When GPS has a fix the app could  
assist in

taking another call or, if no reaction of the user do it automatically.

Navit could be used to locate the city and street near the location  
and this could be

spd-say'ed.

The human in danger then only has to accept to do the followup call,  
nothing more.

In case all is fine he/she could dismiss.

Doing all the combination of locating and navit, will help in the  
typical situation
one isn't really in the position to 'think' about what to tell to the  
operator.


There are several articles and at least one I have read or have seen  
about doing

emergency calls in carcrash for sample with the car - GPS application.

Would that help ?

Lothar

Am 24.02.2009 um 15:30 schrieb Pander:


Tilman Baumann wrote:

Am 24.02.2009 um 12:38 schrieb Helge Hafting:


Tilman Baumann wrote:

Hi,

I'm just wondering if there are any open standards for emergency
services for location.
I'm thinking about services like http://www.steiger-stiftung.de
(European, websites in other languages should be available)

A SMS to the respective emergency (112, 911) number containing the
GPS position could be a start, but then someone has to read it.
I would guess there is a standard for a computer readable format.

Building a emergency call app would be a nice thing to have.

PS: According to Wikipedia, 112 works on all GSM networks no matter
if
the number is a emergency number in tie state.
If you have the gps coordinates, just tell them over the phone as  
you

make the call. They will use it if they have gps eqipment, which is
likely.


As log as you are able to do so.
I'm more thinking about something like a machine readable side  
channel

paralel to a regular emergency call.

BTW. the German ADAC is completely helpless if you provide them GPS
coordinates.


Automating this seems dangerous in that your SMS to the
emergency service is delayed by a few minutes as the phone  
struggle to

get the first fix. When you talk, you can fall back on other
descriptions of the place (addresses, road names) if coordinates
aren't
available.


Depends, when a GPS fix is made it will be much more precise and
quicker.

And there seems to be a standard for cars to make automatic emergency
calls on accidents.
It is called eCall and no technical information is to be found... :)



The notification part sending data can be reused with/from
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Anti-Theft_Mode

Uploading GSM cell info, GPS coordinates, USB IDs, voice recordings,  
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Re: OT: iPhone howto

2009-02-24 Thread Lothar Behrens
I think, the following page explains more about the video's they  
produce.


http://it-republik.de/zonen/portale/psecom,id,99,news,39646,.html

Sorry german.

They state about the consum and the advertising of the companies to  
consume

more and more. (A mobile phone is out dated after 1-2 years)

So after that time you *may* do the same with your device, if the  
company doesn't offer

any useful upgrade or the like.

In contrast to this, openmoko gives us the opportunity to keep using  
the phone.
This is simply because we have access to the software and even to the  
hardware.


We don't need to trash our phone into the bin, because we got a new  
one, it's open
so we can reuse it for what ever (servo remote control, remoko,  
navigation only, ...)


I had fun with that video, because I am not that fan of iPhone, it's  
closed, you only could

develop in intel based Mac OS X - as my last information.

An advertisement could point that out by visually 'cite' that video  
and state, our phone is

even usable if retired :-)

Lothar

Am 24.02.2009 um 18:31 schrieb fla...@correo.ugr.es:


I came across this nice video:
http://www.bikinirama.de/img/user/Videos/BIKINIRAMA_iPhone_011_3224.mov

Have fun :-)

Lothar



What was that about? I don't understand the narrator. The only thing  
that

comes my mind is: JAILBREAKING.


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Re: OT: iPhone howto

2009-02-24 Thread Lothar Behrens

This is the translation about what they want to 'tell'.

http://de.babelfish.yahoo.com/translate_url?doit=donett=urlintl=1fr=bf-hometrurl=http%3A%2F%2Fav.rds.yahoo.com%2F_ylt%3DA0geulgzOaRJk0AAbjqTLaMX%3B_ylu%3DX3oDMTBvdmM3bGlxBHBndANhdl93ZWJfcmVzdWx0BHNlYwNzcg--%2FSIG%3D12lm9u62v%2FEXP%3D1235585715%2F**http%253a%2F%2Fit-republik.de%2Fzonen%2Fportale%2Fpsecom%2Cid%2C99%2Cnews%2C39646%2C.htmllp=de_enbtnTrUrl=Übersetzen

Am 24.02.2009 um 16:23 schrieb Lothar Behrens:


I came across this nice video: 
http://www.bikinirama.de/img/user/Videos/BIKINIRAMA_iPhone_011_3224.mov

Have fun :-)

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Re: Speech dispatcher output to bluetooth (navit) ?

2009-02-18 Thread Lothar Behrens

See below...

Am 15.02.2009 um 22:45 schrieb Rask Ingemann Lambertsen:


On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 09:38:41PM +0100, Lothar Behrens wrote:
Has no one got the output of speech-dispatcher into a bouetooth  
headset ?


Using mplayer -ao alsa:device=bluetooth works, but not spd-say. It
always comes out of the speaker.


  What does the speech-dispatcher documentation say about selecting  
a sound

card for output?


I havent found anyting usefull in the documentation or in the  
configuration files.





  Also try some of the stuff from the wiki:
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_1973_audio_subsystem#Driver_Status_3

  Specifically these:

http://wiki.openmoko.org/images/3/3d/Btcpu_gta02.state.txt
http://handheldshell.com/bluetooth_pcm
http://opensource.wolfsonmicro.com/~gg/bluetooth-pcm/bluetooth_pcm.c

  Usage would be something like this:

$ alsactl restore -f Btcpu_gta02.state.txt
$ ./bluetooth_pcm 
[play some sound here]


using 'spd-say Hello' doesn't plays anything on my BT device.



$ killall bluetooth_pcm



Here it plays again on the internal speaker.


  The interesting controls of the state file are these:

20 'Sidetone Capture Volume' - 0 (increase as needed).
64 'Capture Right Mux' - 'Sidetone' to route playback mixer sound  
into right ADC.
66 'Capture Right Mixer' - 'Analogue Mix Right' to record right  
channel

  from right ADC.
67 'Capture Left Mixer' - 'Analogue Mix Right' to record left channel
  also from right ADC.
68 'Playback Mixer Voice Capture Sw' - false to not mix GSM output  
into the

  sidetone.
69 'Playback Mixer Left Capture Swi' - true to mix left output into  
the

  sidetone.
70 'Playback Mixer Right Capture Sw' - true to mix right output  
into the

  sidetone.

(Maybe look at control 22 'Capture Volume' too?)



Are the settings for the state file above working for you playing 'spd- 
say Hello' without modifying the contents from that link ?


After looking into the code, is there a need for modifying the device  
respect to my neo ?


This is because I call the following python script before I start  
mplayer with bt support.


#!/usr/bin/python
import dbus
bus = dbus.SystemBus()
manager = dbus.Interface(bus.get_object('org.bluez', '/org/bluez'),  
'org.bluez.Manager')

conn = manager.ActivateService('audio')
audio = dbus.Interface(bus.get_object(conn, '/org/bluez/audio'),  
'org.bluez.audio.Manager')

path = audio.CreateDevice('00:1D:82:04:AA:40')
audio.ChangeDefaultDevice(path)
print path
sink = dbus.Interface(bus.get_object(conn, path),  
'org.bluez.audio.Sink')

sink.Connect()


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Re: Someone stole my Neo Freerunner... :(

2009-01-26 Thread Lothar Behrens

Hi,

sorry for you all that lost your phone, stolen or lost anyhow by being  
careless. I also had lost a phone, but not my FR :-)


I read the thread, and think about my contract. I have no gprs as of  
my old phone didn't let me opening

web or wap pages.

I have some questions and ideas that are in my brain :-)

Is there any way to use analog modem connections ?

I don't know how much CPU power is needed but when possible a phone  
could send more data to a dedicated

number we could provide for that.

If a real modem connection couldn't be used, what about creating a  
tone modulation for the data to be send

as a 'spoken' message to be send back to a number as a voice recorder.

The voice recorder then (a Linux PC :-) could decode the data and  
store the data.


All the data could be collected on a web service to probably get the  
bad guys behind to give that information to

the police.

The web service also could provide information about stolen devices,  
thus when a phone gets any wlan connection,
it could check for stolen state. This is not that spoof able I think,  
because the web sevice may be as usual password protected.
But the server could provide sms, mms or phone gateways for fallback  
options. More gateways could be provided by us.


The new gateway information could be uploaded by interacting with the  
user (software updates :-)


If a phone didn't have gprs, sms, mms, or wlan, sending prepared 'data  
voices' would be an option. It didn't need to send much at first to get
an answer about the stolen state in that way. I think the recorded  
data could be decoded in both directions, you don't need
much cpu power, because it will be unidirectional, or let the  
'protocol' enough time between packed sent and anser packets

for decoding.

Doing an active voice call may save us the cost of callbacks or  
sending back sms. With a proper longtime protocol with long pauses or a

better solution a lot could be done.

Usually you could activate this when the sim card get's changed  
without any notice to the user. He should still use the phone a while
to collect information. We then could start a preinstalled application  
to authenticate the sim card change. If not options are many.


The PIN entry of the normal card could be replaced by the PIN you  
provide. The user then wouldn't realize it, but claims to enter
the correct, we simply accept, but start the timer for the above  
actions.


Or we leave the user in claim that the documentation of it's sim card  
provider doesn't seem to be correct and he/she must issue

a call with the service provider.

At that point, the service provider couldn't help for that special  
phone. The new 'user' HAS to contact the manufacturer and so on
you probably get your phone back, because the manufacturer should  
request for sending back the phone.


Getting the state of stolen, the phone could anyway send a message to  
a police station near the user with spd-say, after
the 'anti-theft' server has located the next police station's  
telephone number with any of the above options sent back to the
phone. (Maybe with manual data entry of the phone numbers by us users  
with POI collection, hehe tangoGPS :-)


That way the phone could help actively. Not only 'data voices' could  
be sent.


Also the collected wlan, phone towers, GPS, voice, phone numbers and  
what else could help to locate the guys behind,
as the phones will walk up to the key guys before it would reselled.  
(Where they all are located would be very nice POI data)


With that data, we could help the police.

A note about the attack to people currently having your phone: They  
may not know, that they have a stolen phone, thus
you get to be a 'criminal' and beware, you may also get reatacked by  
the person :-)


Giving the police the collected data, would propably help much more.

What about all my stupid brain stuff ?

Discuss about the possibilities - even stupid ideas as the old  
'acustic coupler'. You don't really need all the modern GPRS stuff :-)
If that is possible also the cost of operation is not very high I  
think - even you change your card (you know to start a separate  
unlocker)


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Re: Speech dispatcher output to bluetooth (navit) ?

2009-01-22 Thread Lothar Behrens
Has no one got the output of speech-dispatcher into a bouetooth  
headset ?


Using mplayer -ao alsa:device=bluetooth works, but not spd-say. It  
always comes out of the speaker.
When I use espeak -w file, the file comes with rubbish - or too fast.  
I assume it is not 44100.


Also doing so takes a while more to be transformed and may not well  
suited for navit.


Even when I take my working mplayer script that automatically connects  
to the bluetooth device,
it seems to be required to explicitly using -ao alsa:device=bluetooth  
to get bluetooth working.


Without that the sound comes from the internal speaker.

Is it right that then speech-dispatcher must be modified to support  
bluetooth device ?


Thanks

Lothar

Am 19.01.2009 um 20:55 schrieb Lothar Behrens:


Hi,

as of the success of Jabra BT3030 I thought how to let speech  
dispatcher talk to the bluetooth device too.
But I didn't found anything in the documentation and the output  
modules in the speechd.conf file does not

seem to be able to.

Is there any way to redirect the output other than with a temporary  
file ?


My experience to play /opt/Qtopia/sounds/alarm.wav with mplayer  
takes about 12 secs to play these short three beeps.
That is to much time (ok I do an scp job, but that may be the cpu  
load simulation :-)


Using that in a script in combination with spd-say would probably  
not working for navit.


It would be great to use Jabra BT3030 for navit too :-)

Any ideas ?

Thanks

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mencoder converts, but no sound ?

2009-01-21 Thread Lothar Behrens

Hi,

I am trying to convert a recorded VDR video with mencoder, but my FR  
gives no sound. Playing mp3 files

works.

Here is the command that I have from another post:

mencoder $1 -ovc lavc -lavcopts vcodec=mpeg4:vhq:vbitrate=300 -vf  
scale=320:240,eq2=1.2:0.5:-0.25,rotate=2 -oac mp3lame -ofps 15 - 
lameopts br=64:cbr -o $2


What am I doing wrong ?

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Re: mencoder converts, but no sound ?

2009-01-21 Thread Lothar Behrens
I have used a special version with qlamo support. That version  
probably does not support sound ??


Now I am using the orginal version (2008.12) with the fbdev parameter  
instead. It is ok now.


I have some breakouts that may come from mplayer, but also may from  
memcoder. (I have a DVB-T USB stick)
Also I have a little bad signal strength. So it may mencoder to be the  
cause for the breakout. I am collecting the

logs of mencoder.

But in general, sound is available (using bluetooth).

All that streamed over WLAN from my VDR server :-)

FR is cool.

Lothar

Am 21.01.2009 um 20:41 schrieb Leonti Bielski:


What does mplayer says (in command line) about this while playing?

Leonti

On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 3:03 PM, Lothar Behrens
lothar.behr...@lollisoft.de wrote:

Hi,
I am trying to convert a recorded VDR video with mencoder, but my  
FR gives

no sound. Playing mp3 files
works.
Here is the command that I have from another post:
mencoder $1 -ovc lavc -lavcopts vcodec=mpeg4:vhq:vbitrate=300 -vf
scale=320:240,eq2=1.2:0.5:-0.25,rotate=2 -oac mp3lame -ofps 15 - 
lameopts

br=64:cbr -o $2
What am I doing wrong ?
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Re: [2008.12] Pause mplayer on call ?

2009-01-21 Thread Lothar Behrens

I don't know if -19 is pause and -18 may be resume. That may be the how.
But I don't know the when (the triggering of the kill command).

I know that qpe is the 'server' that handles the stuff, but I don't  
know yet how

to 'connect' to the events.

On Frameworkd there are some yaml files. Are there similar things for  
2008.12 ?


Lothar

Am 21.01.2009 um 20:57 schrieb Sander:


Michal Brzozowski wrote (ao):

  2009/1/20 Dylan Reilly [1]drei...@atariland.net
Pausing mplayer is probably going to be problematic without
re-writing
it. Firstly, you would have to run it in slave mode so that you
could
write to the process using a pipe.

  How about pausing and starting on a signal? No need to read from a
  pipe.  Probably a simple hack would do it.


You kan kill it with -19 to pause and -18 to resume. Would that help?

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[2008.12] Pause mplayer on call ?

2009-01-20 Thread Lothar Behrens

Hi,

I have played a bit with mplayer, with has great sount from my  
BT3030 :-)


But is there any way to pause mplayer when there is a call coming in  
(qpe) ?


I currently do not use any GUI for it, so mplayer may only killed with  
any usefull signal to pause.

Then how to restart it again.

This is not only to mute the music, but also to propably safe cpu time  
while the call - especially

when mplayer is reniced to -19.

I had a look into the qpe config file, but I have noting got out of it  
to enable such a scenario.


Are there any event's I could attent on instead tweaking any  
application ?


Thanks

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How to scramble a playlist ?

2009-01-20 Thread Lothar Behrens

Hi,

I have seen two applications that could scramble text files.

http://www.vanheusden.com/unsort/

and

http://ch.tudelft.nl/~arthur/rl/

Is anyone on a similar solution to port it onto OpenMoko ?

Or are there shellscript solutions ?

Thanks

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Re: How to scramble a playlist ?

2009-01-20 Thread Lothar Behrens

Great,

that works. Now I have a random jukebox with just one click (with a  
desktop file).


Lothar

Here is my script to get it working onto my bluetooth device:

#!/bin/sh
killall -SIGQUIT mplayer
/home/root/setup-bluetooth-audio.sh
rm playlist-sorted.m3u
rm playlist.m3u
find /media/card/Musik -name *.mp3  /home/root/playlist-sorted.m3u
/home/root/scramble.py /home/root/playlist-sorted.m3u  /home/root/ 
playlist.m3u

mplayer -ao alsa:device=bluetooth -playlist /home/root/playlist.m3u 
#mplayer -ao alsa:device=bluetooth 
http://yp.shoutcast.com/sbin/tunein-station.pls?id=2408
sleep 3
renice -19 `ps ax | grep mplayer | grep -Ev grep|Unknown | awk --  
'BEGIN {}{ print $1;}'`



setup-bluetooth-audio.sh:

#!/bin/sh
# Your device
export DEVICE=XX:XX:XX:XX:XX:XX

/etc/init.d/bluetooth stop
/etc/init.d/bluetooth start

sleep 1
passkey-agent --default  

sleep 1
echo Create bonding
dbus-send --system --type=method_call --print-reply --dest=org.bluez / 
org/bluez/hci0 org.bluez.Adapter.CreateBonding string


sleep 1
echo Activating service audio
dbus-send --system --print-reply --dest=org.bluez /org/bluez  
org.bluez.Manager.ActivateService string:audio


sleep 1
echo Creating device
dbus-send --system --type=method_call --print-reply --dest=org.bluez / 
org/bluez/audio org.bluez.audio.Manager.CreateDevice


sleep 1
echo Connecting sink
dbus-send --system --type=method_call --print-reply --dest=org.bluez / 
org/bluez/audio/device0 org.bluez.audio.Sink.Connec




Am 20.01.2009 um 22:09 schrieb e...@ericanddebbie.com:


Here's a way to do it in python:

#!/usr/bin/env python
import sys, random
filename = sys.argv[1]
a = open(filename).read().strip().split(\n)
random.shuffle(a)
for i in a:
print i


If you're not famililar with shell stuff:

Save that to a file like scramble and then do:
python scramble myfile

You can just type scramble myfile after you've done
   chmod +x scramble

Probably you want to redirect the list into a file:
python scramble myplaylist.txt  /tmp/shuffledplaylist.txt
or you can add python code to accept another argument for an
outfilename and write the file -- with a check to make sure you're not
overwriting an existing file (don't want you to overwrite your
playlist on accident :)

Eric

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Re: Jabra BT3030 experience anywhere ?

2009-01-19 Thread Lothar Behrens

Hi,

Am 19.01.2009 um 02:11 schrieb Steven King:

snip



the sequence was something like:

~# opkg install bluez-audio blue-util


I currently have FDOM. Is there a difference in package name or is it  
not available there ?


~#opkg list | grep bluez
bluez-hcidump - 1.38-r0 - Linux Bluetooth Stack HCI Debugger Tool.
bluez-hcidump-dbg - 1.38-r0 - Linux Bluetooth Stack HCI Debugger Tool.
bluez-hcidump-dev - 1.38-r0 - Linux Bluetooth Stack HCI Debugger Tool.
bluez-hcidump-doc - 1.38-r0 - Linux Bluetooth Stack HCI Debugger Tool.
bluez-utils - 3.23-r4 - Linux Bluetooth Stack Userland Utilities.

* bluez-utils-alsa - 3.23-r2 - Linux Bluetooth Stack Userland Utilities.

bluez-utils-alsa-dbg - 3.23-r2 - Linux Bluetooth Stack Userland  
Utilities.
bluez-utils-alsa-dev - 3.23-r2 - Linux Bluetooth Stack Userland  
Utilities.

bluez-utils-compat - 3.23-r4 - Linux Bluetooth Stack Userland Utilities.
bluez-utils-dbg - 3.23-r4 - Linux Bluetooth Stack Userland Utilities.
bluez-utils-dev - 3.23-r4 - Linux Bluetooth Stack Userland Utilities.
bluez-utils-doc - 3.23-r4 - Linux Bluetooth Stack Userland Utilities.
bluez-utils-gst - 3.23-r4 - Linux Bluetooth Stack Userland Utilities.
bluez-utils-gst-dbg - 3.23-r4 - Linux Bluetooth Stack Userland  
Utilities.


I tried the marked one on my last installation, but no success (FSO  
image milestone 4.1).
Also in the feature comparsion table of the distributions, FSO marks  
bluetooth as not working.


Is that outdated information, or true (as I have at least seen my  
BT3030) ?


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Re: Jabra BT3030 experience anywhere ?

2009-01-19 Thread Lothar Behrens
Just a note:

I have no success on FDOM at the stage:

~#dbus-send --system --type=method_call --print-reply -- 
dest=org.bluez /org/bluez/audio org.bluez.audio.Manager.CreateDevice  
string:XX:XX:XX:XX:XX:XX
Error org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.UnknownMethod: Method CreateDevice  
with signature s on interface org.bluez.audio.Manager doesn't exist

I have installed bluez-utils-alsa, but that may not be the cause.

Ill try 2008.12 now.

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Re: Jabra BT3030 experience anywhere ?

2009-01-19 Thread Lothar Behrens

Hi,

now I have got the Jabra BT3030 working. Excelent sound, no crushing  
noices as experienced with my Mac OS X :-)


I also have successfully tested connection with a second phone to test  
incoming calls. I'll hear a ring and I could accept

and speak.

Once the mplayer didn't come back with sound. I'll figure out the  
cause if I have time. Restarting helped to solve.


The installation steps, Steven has explained, are correct, but on the  
2008.12 are some packages not installed.


I am using mplayer. And there is a working description as of post from  
Glen at 29. Dezember 2008 04:27:48 MEZ.
There was only an issue with the libgcc library that was too old, thus  
sdl couldn't be installed, what mplayer caused to

be not startable. (At least today)

After installing the following package, sdl was installable and  
mplayer would work.


http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/feeds/2008/ipk/glibc/armv4t/base/libgcc1_4.2.4-r5.1_armv4t.ipk

Also missing is the bluez-utils-alsa package. Mplayer couldn't find

These are my packets:

r...@om-gta02:~# opkg list_installed | grep blue
bluez-audio - 3.33-r3 -
bluez-hcidump - 1.42-r0 -
bluez-utils - 3.33-r3 -
bluez-utils-alsa - 3.33-r3 -
bluez-utils-compat - 3.33-r3 -
kernel-module-bluetooth -  
3:2.6.24+gitr76014+fb42ce6724576fc173faf8abfb04aa2c36d213b7-r2.01 -

libbluetooth2 - 3.33-r0 -

The other packages are as reported from Glen.

Here is my script to use the headset. (The bluetooth device must be  
activated, or added as a line):


#!/bin/sh

export DEVICE=XX:XX:XX:XX:XX:XX

/etc/init.d/bluetooth stop
/etc/init.d/bluetooth start

sleep 1
passkey-agent --default  

sleep 1
echo Create bonding
dbus-send --system --type=method_call --print-reply --dest=org.bluez / 
org/bluez/hci0 org.bluez.Adapter.CreateBonding string:$DEVICE


sleep 1
echo Activating service audio
dbus-send --system --print-reply --dest=org.bluez /org/bluez  
org.bluez.Manager.ActivateService string:audio


sleep 1
echo Creating device
dbus-send --system --type=method_call --print-reply --dest=org.bluez / 
org/bluez/audio org.bluez.audio.Manager.CreateDevice string:$DEVICE


sleep 1
echo Connecting sink
dbus-send --system --type=method_call --print-reply --dest=org.bluez / 
org/bluez/audio/device0 org.bluez.audio.Sink.Connect



To use the bluetooth audio device, the player has to started with the  
correct parameters.


Have fun - I have :-)

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Re: Jabra BT3030 experience anywhere ?

2009-01-19 Thread Lothar Behrens
I have choosen this to have one script and not another for bonding to  
be issued before. If the bonding is done, the output of that command

could simply ignored.

There are other samples for passkey gathering. I had no luck with the  
GUI (python, import gtk) because of propably missing python

libraries.

The best solution would be calling the GUI version of a passkey when  
there is no bonding. Also there are issues with the media player
that are have to passed special parameters not always required (if no  
bt device is in the field).


I suggest a config file written by the passkey agent that a bluetooth  
device should be used, then in the mplayer start scripts I posted some

time ago desicions could be made how to output the sound.

OTOH the sound system should do that, not the player :-)

BTW, that BT device and an FM transmitter would be quite a good car  
handsfree installation.


Using a 2 Ampere car USB adapter, also charging is no more an issue  
and the BT device could charged too :-)


Lothar

Am 19.01.2009 um 14:49 schrieb arne anka:

passkey-agent, ie pairing, should be necessary only the first time  
using a

bt device (except you removed the cache, by flashing or deleting, of
course).
can somebody, please, put these steps in the wiki?
if two people got a jawbone working with these steps, it is  
obviously far

better than anything else posted yet.

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Speech dispatcher output to bluetooth (navit) ?

2009-01-19 Thread Lothar Behrens

Hi,

as of the success of Jabra BT3030 I thought how to let speech  
dispatcher talk to the bluetooth device too.
But I didn't found anything in the documentation and the output  
modules in the speechd.conf file does not

seem to be able to.

Is there any way to redirect the output other than with a temporary  
file ?


My experience to play /opt/Qtopia/sounds/alarm.wav with mplayer takes  
about 12 secs to play these short three beeps.
That is to much time (ok I do an scp job, but that may be the cpu load  
simulation :-)


Using that in a script in combination with spd-say would probably not  
working for navit.


It would be great to use Jabra BT3030 for navit too :-)

Any ideas ?

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Playlist generator for mplayer or other players ?

2009-01-19 Thread Lothar Behrens

I know, there is one, but ... I didn't find it again :-(

Please help.

Thanks

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Re: Playlist generator for mplayer or other players ?

2009-01-19 Thread Lothar Behrens

Ohh,

I have read some similar for Windows, but thought it will be wrong for  
Linux.


Thanks, that simple.

Lothar

Am 19.01.2009 um 21:48 schrieb Greg Bonett:


try:
'find [directory with music]  playlist.m3u'


I know, there is one, but ... I didn't find it again :-(

Please help.

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Jabra BT3030 experience anywhere ?

2009-01-18 Thread Lothar Behrens

Hi,

I like to know if someone has used this bluetooth stereo headset and  
how the steps are to got it running.
Also I like to know what distributions are actually having a fully  
functional bluetooth.


I have had FSO image milestone 4.1 that at least was able to see the  
headset when scanning but I was
not able to do the bonding steps with the dbus command line samples,  
that I do not find today (link).


With that samples and the passkey-agent --default   I only got  
error messages that tell me
there is no reply to the dbus command. Removing the --print-replay  
didn't helped anyway.


Also I tried some python scripts that did not work due to a missing  
import (gtk). Where is the related module ?
I didn't found any with opkg list | grep gtk. There are some, but I  
don't know what to install. Any hints therefore ?


BTW, I updated my FSO image milestone 4.1 yesterday and got a brick :-)

There is an issue with the touch screen driver that doesn't function  
anymore. If someone updates, please capture

the output for review here (I haven't done it :-)

If there is any success with that pice I will know it.

I'll test another phone image today if I have time.

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TomTom Carcharger reported to just work and other car charger issues ...

2009-01-17 Thread Lothar Behrens

Hi,

today I have read about the car charger compatibility List that TomTom  
car charger (4N00.007) will just

work.

http://www.1a-handyshop.de/kfzladekabel-miniusb-1224v-tomtom-live-live-live-4n7-original-tomtom-p-89928.html

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_charger

So I wonder, that tomtom includes a car charger in the package as  
other do and openmoko didn't do so.


Why does openmoko did not sell one after it has proven to work to give  
a warranty ?


Wouldn't that stop all these car charger postings ?

Another option would be universal car to USB (A) charger like this:

http://www.handhirn.de/kfz-ladeadapter-fuer-usb-kabel-2-ampere-a1106.html?ref=shopinfo

Another idea would be an adapter (USB (A) female to USB (A) male) that  
contains a switch to activate

the ID resistor or simply with that resistor.

I think, this adapter will be very cheap and could be packaged with  
the FR using such an 2A Kfz USB adapter.


Another adapter seems to not fit into my cigarette jack (Hama USB-Kfz- 
Ladegerät 'Pico'). At least not in my Volvo V40 :-)

http://www.hama.de/portal/searchSelectedProduct*NO/articleId*166923/action*2563/searchMode*1/bySearch*00014094

It may fit in other cars, but the adapter form doesn't look like a  
cigarette plug.


There may be similar in other countries.

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About the BRLCAD files I have created some time ago ...

2009-01-16 Thread Lothar Behrens

Hi,

I wondered why there is no link to the BRLCAD files I have created and  
then located at the following

page: http://controls.ae.gatech.edu/claus/web/openmoko.html

I only found the page by searching the mailinglist about BRLCAD, but  
this is because I KNOW about

the existence of these files.

Wouldn't it be better to add a page with information more than only a  
list of files generated by the browser ?


http://downloads.openmoko.org/CAD/

Then there could added more stuff like editing the files to create  
more stuff. Should I, am I allowed to do so ?


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Dual touch display

2009-01-14 Thread Lothar Behrens

Hi,

if not yet posted: I have found a dual touch / multi touch input  
device for pens and fingers.


It may be interesting, if GTA3 design not finished yet. But I don't  
know about availability :-)


http://www.n-trig.com/Default.aspx

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[FSO-image milestone 4.1 from 08.01.2009] fso-gpsd not startable ?

2009-01-09 Thread Lothar Behrens

Hi,

I have flashed the last FSO image from here:

http://downloads.freesmartphone.org/fso-testing/images/om-gta02/openmoko-fso-image-glibc-ipk--20090108-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2

After flashing, I have removed gpsd and installed fso-gpsd. After  
installing I get this error message when starting fso-gpsd:


r...@om-gta02:~# /etc/init.d/fso-gpsd start
Starting freesmartphone.org gpsd compatibility daemon: start-stop- 
daemon: invalid option -- P

BusyBox v1.11.3 (2009-01-03 04:58:54 UTC) multi-call binary

Usage: start-stop-daemon [OPTIONS] [-S|-K] ... [-- arguments...]

(failed)

The same comes up directly after the installation.

Is there any workaround available ?

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Re: [FSO-image milestone 4.1 from 08.01.2009] fso-gpsd not startable ?

2009-01-09 Thread Lothar Behrens

Thank you,

that also worked for me. Is this 'bug' filed on freesmartphone's trac  
system ?


Lothar

Am 09.01.2009 um 12:57 schrieb BitKeeper:


Hi,

I edited /etc/init.d/fso-gps line 16 to be this.

start-stop-daemon --start --exec /usr/sbin/fso-gpsd -- -S  
localhost:gpsd -- -P /var/run/${NAME}.pid


It worked for me.

Hope it helps.

Bannon

2009/1/9 Lothar Behrens lothar.behr...@lollisoft.de
Hi,

I have flashed the last FSO image from here:

http://downloads.freesmartphone.org/fso-testing/images/om-gta02/openmoko-fso-image-glibc-ipk--20090108-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2

After flashing, I have removed gpsd and installed fso-gpsd. After  
installing I get this error message when starting fso-gpsd:


r...@om-gta02:~# /etc/init.d/fso-gpsd start
Starting freesmartphone.org gpsd compatibility daemon: start-stop- 
daemon: invalid option -- P

BusyBox v1.11.3 (2009-01-03 04:58:54 UTC) multi-call binary

Usage: start-stop-daemon [OPTIONS] [-S|-K] ... [-- arguments...]

(failed)

The same comes up directly after the installation.

Is there any workaround available ?

Thanks

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Re: Neo / FreeRunner 'stand'

2009-01-09 Thread Lothar Behrens
Would it also be useful to add a jack for a standard power supply or  
things to plug a standard cigarette lightener cable ?


I mean the doc could also to be used in a car. Therefore a well  
designed voltage regulator could be added to support

a wider range of input voltage.

Also a question: Did anybody know something about KICAD (ecad  
software) ?


It has support for 3D parts, thus it will probably help to visualize a  
board design in 3D.


What about the CAD drawings I sometime have posted in BRLCAD format ?

Lothar

Am 09.01.2009 um 13:20 schrieb Pander:

This can be achieved in two phases, first make a stand, than make a  
dock

with electronics.

As soon as
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Specialized_USB_cables#How_to_make_a_USB_cable_for_powering_attached_USB_devices_and_charging_the_Neo_while_in_host_mode
is available (as in for sale by some one), the stand can be upgraded  
to

a dock.

Christopher Friedt wrote:

Hmm...

This is all starting to sound surprisingly similar to a 'dock' ...

Here's a question for the USB / Power experts out there:

Assuming such a dock was constructed, that provided a powered USB  
hub,

is it possible for the Neo to simulatneously

1) run in host usb mode,
2) control a USB peripheral, e.g. keyboard, and also
3) to charge the battery from the powered USB hub

?
On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 4:35 AM, KaZeR ka...@altern.org wrote:

I like the idea.

Don't forget to include some place to stick an usb connector : i  
have a

similar desktop stand for my p990 and it's really useful.


-Message d'origine-
De : community-boun...@lists.openmoko.org
[mailto:community-boun...@lists.openmoko.org] De la part de Pander
Envoyé : mardi 6 janvier 2009 18:55
À : Christopher Friedt; List for Openmoko community discussion
Objet : Re: Neo / FreeRunner 'stand'

I'm planning to make an open hardware design for something
like this and have it manufactured by a 3D printer. Anyone
can have it manufactured at a place like http://www.shapeways.com/

At the moment I'm waiting to get some help to get started,
see
http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-December/03
8598.html

Christopher Friedt wrote:

Wouldn't it be great to have a moulded plastic stand that

would just

clip into place on the back of the FreeRunner or Neo1973,

so that you

could rest it on a table in widescreen mode, and have it sit at a
comfortable angle?

Maybe it's a good 'extra' to include int the box for GTA03 :)

Nokia has had a 'desk stand' on their internet tablets

since the N770.

In the mean time, I'm sure I can work out something using a small
triangular piece of wood, crazy glue, a slice from my girlfriend's
yoga mat, and velcro :)

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[FreeRunner / FSO] Still problems with getting a Fix (but not with agpsui) ?

2009-01-09 Thread Lothar Behrens

Hi,

I am still in trouble with getting GPS working properly.

My installed image is FSO-image milestone 4.1 and I have replaced gpsd  
with fso-gpsd.


Running fso-gpsd and trying to telnet localhost gpsd mostly fails to  
get a fix.


Yesterday I seem to get better results. Zhone showed up at least two  
signals (not a fix) but today it failed.

But today there is really a nice weather.

Today I tried to install openmoko-agpsui to see the signal strength  
and - see a fix in less than
two minutes (1.20 min) while holding the phone outside my window. That  
compared to zhone, I will guess
fso-gpsd and the backend is very unstable in getting a fix compared to  
what openmoko-agpsui shows me.


What makes there so much difference between openmoko-agpsui (running  
gllin as seen in console)

and the zhone or fso-gpsd with telnet or even tangogps ?

I read something about dropped GPS data by kernel. How to see them to  
get a feeling that this is the

cause (docu / link) ?

If that is not the problem, could I ignore fso-gpsd and set tangogps /  
navit to use gllin as an interim solution ?


My signal strength inside the room 3 meters away from window is about  
(avg/current) 19/20, 28/27, 23/20, 25/25, 24/25

while holding FR in my hand.

Sometimes a satellite gets lost but it comes back. Placing the phone  
on desk decreases the signal down to ~19.
Then sometimes the satellites get lost. If I take it back in my hand,  
agpsui get's back a fix.


This behaviour is well known to my conditions in my room. Are they ok  
as described (hardware / antenna quality) ?


Any help is welcome. I will read the agpsui stuff to take a more  
scientific measurement :-)


Where are the results of those measurements, if anyone has done that ?

While all that, my Sandisk 16GB microSD card is mounted, issuing many  
ls command on it seems not to interfer

the signal. Also WLAN is on.

Thanks

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Re: Booting from large microSD (SDHC) [success]

2008-12-21 Thread Lothar Behrens

As I have posted the output of fdisk I have the partition.

I was able to create the partition and see it afterwards. So I agree  
with you

that it may the u-boot and or kernel. Mine is 2.6.24.

I think it's time for flashing :-)

Lothar

Am 21.12.2008 um 01:54 schrieb arne anka:


I have rebooted after formatting /dev/mmcblk0


/dev/mmcblk0 is the raw device, you want /dev/mmcblk0p1.
look at the output from fdisk ...

if it is still not there, your u-boot/kernel might be too old.
are there any messages at boot?

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Question about a file I am not aware

2008-12-20 Thread Lothar Behrens

Hi,

I have got my new 16 GB SD card after waiting sometime and reading  
other success stories :-)


Now I like to backup the data from my old SD card, but I don't know  
for what this file is for:


/media/card/qtopia_db.sqlite

What application sits on it to stop before making an backup, because  
it seems to be a sqlite database :-)


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Re: Booting from large microSD (SDHC) [success]

2008-12-20 Thread Lothar Behrens

Hi,

I have now also a 16 GB SD card (SanDisk/SDSDQ-016G-E11M)
but I didn't get it run with my ASU 2008/9 from Tue, 16 Sep 2008 and
uboot 1.3.2-moko12.

Here is the problem: After fisrt boot I couldn't use fdisk, because it  
couldn't access anyhow.

Then after another reboot I was able to do it.

Here is my first partition:

r...@om-gta02:~# fdisk /dev/mmcblk0

The number of cylinders for this disk is set to 1936.
There is nothing wrong with that, but this is larger than 1024,
and could in certain setups cause problems with:
1) software that runs at boot time (e.g., old versions of LILO)
2) booting and partitioning software from other OSs
   (e.g., DOS FDISK, OS/2 FDISK)

Command (m for help): p

Disk /dev/mmcblk0: 15.9 GB, 15931539456 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 1936 cylinders
Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes

Device Boot  Start End  Blocks  Id System
/dev/mmcblk0p1   1 487 3911796  83 Linux

Command (m for help):

But I cannot mount it at /media/card because I haven't the device.

Isn't that device created automatically ?

How to create one (mknod, block type, but what mayor minor) ?

Thanks

Lothar

Am 10.11.2008 um 23:27 schrieb Marian Flor:


Am Montag, den 10.11.2008, 00:33 +0100 schrieb Lothar Behrens:


I had some more look about other cards about 8GB, but if there are
more users having success,
I will buy this card.


The iPhone and the N810 support 16GB microSD so why shouldn't the
Openmoko? was my guess and so I gave it a try.


Especially when the eaten MBR problem was only once a problem. Was
it ?


No. My MBR was never fragged (This would have been be fatal for me on
the next morning. Of course I mean the _card's_ MBR ;-) ). The
filesystem (ext2) got whacked by a suspend or unsynced halt command,
so that fdisk did not recover upon boot.

But I was able to fix the filesystem on the microSD by a manually  
fdisk
from the other linux on the internal flash memory. Switching to ext3  
may

also help, but make sure that your sd card supports wear leveling. In
the other case ext3 may shorten the lifecycle of the card. Also,
mounting the microSD with -noatime should lower the stress (and  
extend

the lifetime) of the card.

Anyhow. It seems a good advice to keep a copy (printed or dd) of the
microSD's MBR  in a warm and dry place apart from your Freerunner.

A kind closing note: Please place your answer _under_ the quoted text
next time.
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ#On_the_lists_on_lists.openmoko.org.2C_should_replies_be_added_above_or_below_the_original_text.3F

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Re: Booting from large microSD (SDHC) [success]

2008-12-20 Thread Lothar Behrens

That's done, but it doesn't create the device for partition 1.

I have rebooted after formatting /dev/mmcblk0

I need to create the device nodes for the partitions before I can  
mount on it and I think

I should then format these devices before I mount.

Lothar

Am 21.12.2008 um 00:54 schrieb arne anka:


you need to format!
mke2fs is your friend.

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gpspipe format

2008-12-18 Thread Lothar Behrens

Hi,

I want to use a script to generate gpx formatted traces. How must I  
convert the data taken from gpspipe ?


Thanks

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Navit city search ?

2008-12-17 Thread Lothar Behrens

Hi,

has someone an example of searching a city and a street that works  
with the germany map when it was downloaded from the quicklink
as of the page here lists: http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/OpenStreetMaps 
 ?


Or why can I only enter capital letters, but on bookmarks also non  
capital letters ?


Or is there any description how the internal GUI (for FR) should  
behave if it works (some screenshots) ?


Thanks

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Re: Navit city search ?

2008-12-17 Thread Lothar Behrens

Yes,

I have found it too.

If someone has interest, I am currently create an XSLT template to  
extract the relevant data of villages / cities and streets with their  
lon / lat coordinates.


If I have it I try to setup a database to be a possible base for  
searching :-)


Lothar

Am 17.12.2008 um 17:51 schrieb Tilman Baumann:


Lothar Behrens wrote:

Hi,

has someone an example of searching a city and a street that works  
with

the germany map when it was downloaded from the quicklink
as of the page here
lists: http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/OpenStreetMaps ?


http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/OpenStreetMaps#Search_doesn.27t_work_in_most_countries
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Re: Acustic 'empty battery warning' ?

2008-12-17 Thread Lothar Behrens

Hmm,

using the clock to wake me up in the morning would be an option to  
check the

battery.

It even wakes up, or boots, if I have shut down the phone :-)

If the clock is not at a really alarm time (to wake me up :-),
it could configure the next wakeup to check the battery.

Is that a solution if PMU doesn't support us with another solution ?

Lothar

Am 17.12.2008 um 13:35 schrieb William Kenworthy:


Doesnt it already do that - I know that in the middle of the night I
used to get regularly awakened by a sht sound from the Fr as the
battery ran out - oh wait, you mean before ...

:)

Its actually a good idea - I use a couple of perl scripts to flash the
leds in various colours/rates to indicate charge.  Doesnt help when  
shut

down though.  Perhaps a cron job to wake every hour and check the
charge, then go back to sleep?  Does cron work on the FR these days?

BillK


On Wed, 2008-12-17 at 14:16 +0200, Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote:

Lothar Behrens lothar.behr...@lollisoft.de writes:

Is there a way to do this ?


while true; do
 if [ `capacity` -lt 10 ]; then
 alert
 fi
 sleep 120
done

Is there also a way when the device is in suspend mode, to wakeup  
and

do this warning ?


I'm guessing yes but I do not know the PMU stuff well.


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Re: Acustic 'empty battery warning' ?

2008-12-17 Thread Lothar Behrens


Am 17.12.2008 um 13:16 schrieb Timo Juhani Lindfors:


Lothar Behrens lothar.behr...@lollisoft.de writes:

Is there a way to do this ?


while true; do
 if [ `capacity` -lt 10 ]; then
 alert
 fi
 sleep 120
done



this is a starting point :-)


Is there also a way when the device is in suspend mode, to wakeup and
do this warning ?


I'm guessing yes but I do not know the PMU stuff well.


Is there any documentation for PMU ?





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Acustic 'empty battery warning' ?

2008-12-17 Thread Lothar Behrens

Hi,

I am asking me if it is not possible to get an acustic 'empty battery'  
warning some time before my phone really get's down.


Is there a way to do this ?

Is there also a way when the device is in suspend mode, to wakeup and  
do this warning ?


Hope there is a solution. Other mobile phones do this :-)

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Re: Navit city search ?

2008-12-17 Thread Lothar Behrens

Hi,

I have got a basic database and was able to fill it with a map area of  
about 2.7 MB data.


But this is very less compared to germany with about 3.5 GB. So when  
trying to get the database
out of germany xsltproc gets killed due to memory problems. I  
currently only have 1 GB :-)


The processing should be tailored into smaller regions.

But about the data and the search:

I think I would do search that way:

1.) Find the villages and its lon / lat by a SQL query by given first  
characters entered (minimum = 3).
2.) Find all streetnames by given first characters entered (minimum =  
3).

3.) Display streets to villages sorted by distance

If the data is in the database, this should be very fast. Then, when  
the user selects a street, it's position

could be used to center the display to.

Is this practical ?

Lothar

Am 17.12.2008 um 19:53 schrieb Lothar Behrens:


Yes,

I have found it too.

If someone has interest, I am currently create an XSLT template to  
extract the relevant data of villages / cities and streets with  
their lon / lat coordinates.


If I have it I try to setup a database to be a possible base for  
searching :-)


Lothar

Am 17.12.2008 um 17:51 schrieb Tilman Baumann:


Lothar Behrens wrote:

Hi,

has someone an example of searching a city and a street that works  
with

the germany map when it was downloaded from the quicklink
as of the page here
lists: http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/OpenStreetMaps ?


http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/OpenStreetMaps#Search_doesn.27t_work_in_most_countries
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Re: Acustic 'empty battery warning' ?

2008-12-17 Thread Lothar Behrens

It's only an idea. Indeed I currently have ASU 2008/9.

Lothar

Am 18.12.2008 um 01:10 schrieb W.Kenworthy:


What distro? - clock doesnt work on 2008.9 through to the current
testing.

BillK


On Wed, 2008-12-17 at 14:12 +0100, Lothar Behrens wrote:

Hmm,


using the clock to wake me up in the morning would be an option to
check the
battery.


It even wakes up, or boots, if I have shut down the phone :-)


If the clock is not at a really alarm time (to wake me up :-),
it could configure the next wakeup to check the battery.


Is that a solution if PMU doesn't support us with another solution ?


Lothar


Am 17.12.2008 um 13:35 schrieb William Kenworthy:


Doesnt it already do that - I know that in the middle of the night I
used to get regularly awakened by a sht sound from the Fr as
the
battery ran out - oh wait, you mean before ...

:)

Its actually a good idea - I use a couple of perl scripts to flash
the
leds in various colours/rates to indicate charge.  Doesnt help when
shut
down though.  Perhaps a cron job to wake every hour and check the
charge, then go back to sleep?  Does cron work on the FR these days?

BillK


On Wed, 2008-12-17 at 14:16 +0200, Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote:

Lothar Behrens lothar.behr...@lollisoft.de writes:

Is there a way to do this ?


while true; do
if [ `capacity` -lt 10 ]; then
alert
fi
sleep 120
done


Is there also a way when the device is in suspend mode, to
wakeup and
do this warning ?


I'm guessing yes but I do not know the PMU stuff well.


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Navit and espeak trouble

2008-12-16 Thread Lothar Behrens

Hi,

I think I have figured out why navit sometimes seems to hang (except  
it calculates big routes).


After killing my last navit session I have seen espeak still running,  
but it did not say anithing :-)


Is this a known problem ?

I am currently using ASU 2008/8 with a timestamp at 16, Nov 2008.
Navit is the latest 0.1.0 release.

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Navit actions menu layout ?

2008-12-14 Thread Lothar Behrens

Hi,

today I have installed the current release from navit and it looks  
much better. But I have a question about the layout of the buttons in  
the actions panel.


How to change the layout from horizontal to vertical ?

The problem: I do not see all of the buttons :-(

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Re: Navit actions menu layout ?

2008-12-14 Thread Lothar Behrens

Yes,

there is a + on bottom right, a - on bottom left, a compas on top left  
and a eta on top right as I activated them.


The plain map display is mostly ok (the info picture in the bottom  
left may be a bit bigger to easier see it :-)


Am 14.12.2008 um 14:59 schrieb KaZeR:


Yorick Moko a écrit :

i did that but i get:
r...@om-gta02 ~ $ DISPLAY=:0 navit
navit:convert_to_attrs:failed to create attribute 'icons_xs' with  
value '60'

vehicle_gpsd:vehicle_gpsd_try_open:Connected to gpsd fd=4
iochan=0x8a078 watch=0x2
navit:main:Using '/home/root/.navit/navit.xml'

and see no buttons (except for the zoom in and out button, but when i
press the top of the screen i do get into a settings-screen)




Using internal gui, it's intended to have no buttons when you are
viewing the map, in order to use most space for the map.
Touching the map should bring you a black screen with 3 buttons :
actions, settings and tools, each one with an icon.
Does that work for you?


It works, but what I mean, is, these are partly out of screen:

*=*
| |
| |
  **  **  **
  ||  ||  ||
  ||  ||  ||
  **  **  **
| |
| |
| |
  **  **  **
  ||  ||  ||
  ||  ||  ||
  **  **  **
| |
| |
*=*

Can these buttons moved by configuration ?

BTW, I now have tested the navigation with my car. It works reasonable  
good.

But some crashes - while speaking I think - stops navit to work.

I need a simulation car. Could I create such a car by getting the  
calculated route ?


I haven't activated tracking for my car definition in my last test :-(

Thanks

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Re: Booting from large microSD (SDHC) [success]

2008-11-09 Thread Lothar Behrens

Thanks,

I had some more look about other cards about 8GB, but if there are  
more users having success,

I will buy this card.

Especially when the eaten MBR problem was only once a problem. Was it ?

Thanks

Lothar


Am 08.11.2008 um 12:47 schrieb Marian Flor:


Hello list members,
here another FR success story: Booting and usage of a large 16GB SDHC
works!

My configuration and recipe:
- QtExtend on flash
- Debian on microSD (ext2+ext2) [1]
- u-boot daily (8 Nov 2008) from [2]
- Applied configure-uboot.sh from [3]
- Kernel for Debian from [4] (but the kernel should not matter)
- microSD card:
 Vendor: SanDisk
 Model: SDSDQ-016G-E11M
 Size: 16GB
 Speed: Class2

With this configuration I encountered first this error (output from
minicom, /dev/ttyACM0) when I tried to boot directly (i.e. just  
pressed

power on the FR):

--- 8 --- snip ---

Card Type:  SD 2.0 SDHC
Manufacturer:   0x03, OEM SD
Product name:   SU16G, revision 8.0
Serial number:  2684394330
Manufacturing date: 8/2008
MMC/SD size:3MiB
cmd 0x10, arg 0x200 flags 0x15
Error after cmd: 0xfffc
cmd 0x11, arg 0x0 flags 0x235
Error after cmd: 0xfffc
bad MBR sector signature 0x
** Bad partition 1 **
Wrong Image Format for bootm command
ERROR: can't get kernel image!

--- 8 --- snap ---

Note that mmcinit reports a false size [5].
Booting manually from that point worked well:

--- 8 --- snip ---

GTA02v6 # boot
Card Type:  SD 2.0 SDHC
Manufacturer:   0x03, OEM SD
Product name:   SU16G, revision 8.0
Serial number:  2684394330
Manufacturing date: 8/2008
MMC/SD size:3MiB

1939024 bytes read
## Booting kernel from Legacy Image at 3200 ...
  Image Name:   Openmoko Freerunner Kernel
  Created:  2008-10-03  15:57:45 UTC
  Image Type:   ARM Linux Kernel Image (uncompressed)
  Data Size:1938960 Bytes =  1at MB
  Load Address: 30008000
  Entry Point:  30008000
  Verifying Checksum ... OK

--- 8 --- snap ---

Then I modified the configure-uboot.sh, entered some idle time to let
the SDHC card settle after mmcinit and applied configure-uboot.sh  
again

to the FR:

--- 8 --- snip ---

--- configure-uboot.sh  2008-08-15 16:01:06.0 +0200
+++ configure-uboot-delay.sh2008-11-08 11:36:20.0 +0100
@@ -37,6 +37,7 @@
${bootargs_base} ${mtdparts}
rootfstype=ext2 root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 rootdelay=5;
  mmcinit;
+  sleep 2;
  ext2load mmc 1 0x3200 ${sd_image_name};
  bootm 0x3200

--- 8 --- snap ---

Two seconds settle time is suitable for all boot situations (warm and
cold boot, powered by usb or on battery). Tested. Works. :-D

Note: There is still an issue with the suspend mode [6]. But my MBR  
was

not eaten (until now ;-) ). I was able to fix a mangled filesystem on
the card with a fsck.ext2 -y /dev/mmcblk0p2 after booting the Linux  
from

flash.

Enjoy!

Greetings from switzerland,
Marian

[1] http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnFreeRunner
[2] http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/gta02v5_and_up-u-boot.bin
[3] http://pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org/freerunner/configure-uboot.sh
[4] http://moko.mwester.net/dl.html#kernels
[5] https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1815
[6]
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_from_SD#Booting_from_SDHC_.2F_suspend_problems


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Re: Navit questions...

2008-10-30 Thread Lothar Behrens

Hi,

now I have played around a little with navit and tried to reduce the  
recalculation when speed is under 4.
It's my assumption that a walk is at last about 5 km/h, thus I added  
some lines of code to handle this case.


But before I am really do too much that propably has been done I would  
ask here.


The speed that triggers a recalculation of the displayed map is about  
more as 2.


Should this be done a little bit more ?

Or could it be done by a 'lowpass' that increases the trigger about  
half the average speed (three or four times measured)

if the average is more than the result of the increase ?

The decrease should be done similar (about some below the average).

This will reduce the amount of recalculations a lot I think.

A question beside. I want to try my changes on my FreeRunner for a  
live test:


How to get changes into the MokoMakefile built of navit.
Should I create a patch to be applied in a prebuild step ?

I have seen several directories per user that do something I don't  
understand yet.


Any further help out there ?

Another idea: What about a real voice, recorded from someone to  
replace the synthetic voice ?

(There are not so much combinations I think)

Thanks

Lothar

Am 19.10.2008 um 04:57 schrieb Marco Trevisan (Treviño):


KaZeR wrote:

(i finally ordered and received a Freerunner :) )


Nice, are you a navit dev?
I guess you are (especially looking at your site)... :P


Lothar Behrens a écrit :

Hi,

I got installed navit and after some tries I got the correct
germany.bin file by downloading it with a wget -O germany.bin ...
quicklink.

For a brief feedback: Very good !

Thanks :)


I do agree... I've but changed a little the (gtk) interface to make it
fit better to the openmoko, and I've to increase the cursor size  
(not so

easy to see while driving!


If navit needs to calculate a big route, isn't it good to display a
hint window or a status message instead leaving the user unknown  
and let

even the whole GUI stay blocked like with a message box when tapping
on the screen and let the calculations done in a background thread ?

This issue has been around for some time :
http://trac.navit-project.org/ticket/15
It used to work, then was removed because code was changed, and it
hasn't been reimplemented yet.


I'm waiting for this too

It seems that this comes also into play when the position is  
changed,

thus a recalculation would propably triggered ?

If you go outside of the planned route, a new route is computed, yes


Well, in my experience it is recalculated but too late imho. Maybe the
voice sinthetizer says it but while driving it's not easy to heard my
freerunner (the speaker is to low to be heard in the traffic or if I'm
listening some music), while often I've to force the refresh from the
interface.


I am also a programmer, but this seems to be a untrivial issue for a
newbie for that code.

If you're willing to help, feel free to contact me or join #navit on
freenode. You will get there all the help you should need :)


Nice. I'd like also to ask you a thing about the SDL interface... I've
not tried to compile it in my toolchain/OE build due to the fact  
that I

had no time to port/compile the missing libraries, but would it work
well in the Freerunner (that has not 3d hardware acceleration)?

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Re: Development environment suggestion ?

2008-09-28 Thread Lothar Behrens
I had the same idea but not yet asked here, because the ability to try  
it on older Linux versions would normally fail.
My problem is exactly the problem that my box is too old and more work  
to upgrade to a newer version.


What about qemu to be used ?

How fast is virtualbox compared to qemu ?

Lothar

Am 27.09.2008 um 21:45 schrieb Andreas Wallin:


Hello community lists !
I just read the mail call for community action

I would make som suggestions for making developing openmoko software
more easy.
Why not create some virtual machines with all compilingtools and  
needed

software installed to get ready for bugfixing/developing openmoko
softwares.

This may be virtualbox images.. Nothing fancy, just ubuntu with
toolchain, maybe even a ready eclipse version. Publish this by
torrents, Maybe even with good to go software used during  
development.
I spent lots of time before i got a working environment to develop/ 
debug

my openmoko in.

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Re: CAD conversion and editing

2008-09-25 Thread Lothar Behrens

Hi Michael,

as Claus has posted, the files are currently located here: 
http://controls.ae.gatech.edu/claus/web/openmoko.html

Lothar

Am 25.09.2008 um 19:44 schrieb Michael Shiloh:


Lothar Behrens wrote:

Hi,

I have converted as much as possible from the CAD files into BRLCAD  
files.


Propably I have forgotten to tell Michael Shiloh where the converted
files are.
(As of I had eMail contact to him)




Hi Lothar,

Yes, tell me where the files are, and we'll gladly host them on
downloads.openmoko.org.

Michael

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Re: CAD conversion and editing

2008-09-24 Thread Lothar Behrens

Hi,

I have converted as much as possible from the CAD files into BRLCAD  
files.


Propably I have forgotten to tell Michael Shiloh where the converted  
files are.

(As of I had eMail contact to him)

Also I am not much familar with the BRL CAD and I also could not compare
the files to their orginal versions.

Where could I put the tgz file that contains all the others (~ 16 MB) ?

The file also contains a script. (How I have converted the igs files)

Regards,

Lothar

Am 24.09.2008 um 16:09 schrieb Claus Christmann:


Please see inline and below...

On Wednesday 24 September 2008 08:59:12 am Breakable wrote:

Hi,
Anybody got any success for editing CAD files for the phone case?
Basically I am trying to get them open in brlcad (which seems to be  
the

best free CAD software ever),
without any success yet.
I had some success in VariCad demo (proprietary) where parts of the  
design
are imported using STEP format, but it does not seem good enough,  
as I see

about 50% of the shapes usually.
IGES on the other hand seems like a total dissaster.
The IGES files I created seemed to work in Pro/E and CATIA V5. Can  
you figure
out if the files are corrupted or if it is a non-working import  
filter in

brlcad that does not work?
Have you tried opening a single file and not the complete assembly?

The only solution I currently see is buying or pirating the Pro/ 
ENGINEER to

edit or convert them  to brlcad .g format using the Pro/E to BRLCAD
converter plugin for Pro/ENGINEER from the brlcad suite. Buying or  
pirating

for this task is not the option I like.
Anybody that has a  Pro/ENGINEER license can assist with that?
There is a nice description how to do it in
http://brlcad.org/w/images/6/66/Converting_Geometry.pdf
in section 4.9 page 27 of pdf.
I have access to a Pro/E licencense and can look into that. However,  
it won't

happen till the weekend...

After this is done properly, maybe the BRLCAD to DXF converter can  
be used

to
improve accessibility of design files for those that have AutoCad.
DXF is essentially a 2D format. Since there is no conversion from 3D  
to 2D
that does not lose information, a usefull conversion heavily  
depends on the

need of the user of those 2D DXF files.

IF the list could agree on a limited number of planes/slices through  
the 3D

model I might be willing to put the time into creating them.


If this issue wont be resolved I don't believe a community effort  
to build

on the openness
of the device will ever succeed.

Regards,
Ignas


As said above, I will look into this brlcad over the weekend and  
look into the
conversion of the files into the appropriate format. However, I  
can't promise

anything... (BTW, I have never heard of brlcad, but I also hardly use
anything else than CATIA these days...)

Regards,

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Re: CAD conversion and editing

2008-09-24 Thread Lothar Behrens
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Am 24.09.2008 um 16:58 schrieb Lothar Behrens:


Hi,

I have converted as much as possible from the CAD files into BRLCAD  
files.


Propably I have forgotten to tell Michael Shiloh where the converted  
files are.

(As of I had eMail contact to him)

Also I am not much familar with the BRL CAD and I also could not  
compare

the files to their orginal versions.

Where could I put the tgz file that contains all the others (~ 16  
MB) ?


The file also contains a script. (How I have converted the igs files)

Regards,

Lothar

Am 24.09.2008 um 16:09 schrieb Claus Christmann:


Please see inline and below...

On Wednesday 24 September 2008 08:59:12 am Breakable wrote:

Hi,
Anybody got any success for editing CAD files for the phone case?
Basically I am trying to get them open in brlcad (which seems to  
be the

best free CAD software ever),
without any success yet.
I had some success in VariCad demo (proprietary) where parts of  
the design
are imported using STEP format, but it does not seem good enough,  
as I see

about 50% of the shapes usually.
IGES on the other hand seems like a total dissaster.
The IGES files I created seemed to work in Pro/E and CATIA V5. Can  
you figure
out if the files are corrupted or if it is a non-working import  
filter in

brlcad that does not work?
Have you tried opening a single file and not the complete assembly?

The only solution I currently see is buying or pirating the Pro/ 
ENGINEER to

edit or convert them  to brlcad .g format using the Pro/E to BRLCAD
converter plugin for Pro/ENGINEER from the brlcad suite. Buying or  
pirating

for this task is not the option I like.
Anybody that has a  Pro/ENGINEER license can assist with that?
There is a nice description how to do it in
http://brlcad.org/w/images/6/66/Converting_Geometry.pdf
in section 4.9 page 27 of pdf.
I have access to a Pro/E licencense and can look into that.  
However, it won't

happen till the weekend...

After this is done properly, maybe the BRLCAD to DXF converter can  
be used

to
improve accessibility of design files for those that have AutoCad.
DXF is essentially a 2D format. Since there is no conversion from  
3D to 2D
that does not lose information, a usefull conversion heavily  
depends on the

need of the user of those 2D DXF files.

IF the list could agree on a limited number of planes/slices  
through the 3D

model I might be willing to put the time into creating them.


If this issue wont be resolved I don't believe a community effort  
to build

on the openness
of the device will ever succeed.

Regards,
Ignas


As said above, I will look into this brlcad over the weekend and  
look into the
conversion of the files into the appropriate format. However, I  
can't promise

anything... (BTW, I have never heard of brlcad, but I also hardly use
anything else than CATIA these days...)

Regards,

Claus

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Neo FreeRunner / Om 2008 - 8: WLAN problem

2008-09-17 Thread Lothar Behrens

Hi,

I have always the problem, when WLAN starts, that I do not get  
configured /etc/resolv.conf automatically.


Are there any tips around that helps this problem to get fixed ?

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Neo FreeRunner / Om 2008 - 8: No sound, can't use phone to take phone calls

2008-09-17 Thread Lothar Behrens

Hi,

yesterday I have installed a the Asu Stable built at Tue, 16 Sep 2008  
08:25:15 +0800.


The version seems to look very nice, but I cannot hear me on the  
phone. Are there any notes I have to read

before using this version ?

Also the audio subsystem seems not to be available as of reportings os  
mplayer trying to play a song.


Any hints are welcome.

Thanks

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Re: Neo FreeRunner / Om 2008 - 8: WLAN problem

2008-09-17 Thread Lothar Behrens


Am 17.09.2008 um 12:25 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]:


Does this[1] work?

[1]http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wifi#Using_the_GUI_on_2008.8


After connecting using the GUI, you may also need to run udhcpc eth0
manually in the terminal to get DNS entries added to your  
resolv.conf. You
may also need to run ifdown usb0 to remove the routing issue  
caused by

having both interfaces up at the same time.




I have seen documentation on howto make manually the changes in  
resolv.conf
out of the wpa_supplicatnt script. but this would be the better line  
of code to be

insertted into that file :-)

Maybe this is a note for the wiki page ?

Thanks

Lothar




Hi,

I have always the problem, when WLAN starts, that I do not get
configured /etc/resolv.conf automatically.

Are there any tips around that helps this problem to get fixed ?

Thanks, Lothar

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Re: Neo FreeRunner / Om 2008 - 8: WLAN problem

2008-09-17 Thread Lothar Behrens


Am 17.09.2008 um 12:57 schrieb Lothar Behrens:



Am 17.09.2008 um 12:25 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]:


Does this[1] work?

[1]http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wifi#Using_the_GUI_on_2008.8


After connecting using the GUI, you may also need to run udhcpc  
eth0
manually in the terminal to get DNS entries added to your  
resolv.conf. You
may also need to run ifdown usb0 to remove the routing issue  
caused by

having both interfaces up at the same time.




I have seen documentation on howto make manually the changes in  
resolv.conf
out of the wpa_supplicatnt script. but this would be the better line  
of code to be

insertted into that file :-)

Maybe this is a note for the wiki page ?



The command seems to be better in /etc/network/interfaces :-)

Sample I have tested with

# ifdown eth0  ifup eth0 

# Wireless interfaces
iface wlan0 inet dhcp
udhcpc eth0
wireless_mode managed
wireless_essid any

Lothar


Thanks

Lothar




Hi,

I have always the problem, when WLAN starts, that I do not get
configured /etc/resolv.conf automatically.

Are there any tips around that helps this problem to get fixed ?

Thanks, Lothar

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Re: Emergency call at boot time functionality (was Re: Windows CE on freerunner)

2008-08-23 Thread Lothar Behrens
Am Samstag, den 23.08.2008, 10:42 +0200 schrieb Federico Lorenzi:
 On Sat, Aug 23, 2008 at 10:29 AM, Clemens Kirchgatterer
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 IIRC GSM audio can be routed directly through without using the CPU.
 Also if you had to program an emergency number before hand, you
 wouldn't need the display.
 

I think, too, it should be possible to create a mini OS only for
emergency calls. The number to be called could be passed as a poot
parameter, thus the boot configuration may be modified by a setup
application.

A mini OS: Maybe any open OS that is fast booting (freeDOS ???)
Configuring in a DOS partition would also be possible from Linux I
think.

Is this possible ?

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Configuring Today ?

2008-08-23 Thread Lothar Behrens
Hi,

I am trying to get a clock on my homepage, but following the
instructions in the documentation for Today the following is
the result:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# gconftool-2 --type bool
--set /desktop/poky/interface/reduced false

(gconftool-2:1648): GConf-WARNING **: Client failed to connect to the
D-BUS daemon:
dbus-launch failed to autolaunch D-Bus session: Autolaunch requested,
but X11 support not compiled in.
Cannot continue.

Error setting value: No D-BUS daemon running

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# /etc/init.d/d
/etc/init.d/dbus-1 /etc/init.d/devpts.sh
/etc/init.d/devices/etc/init.d/dropbear
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# /etc/init.d/dbus-1 start
system message bus already started; not starting.
Starting system message bus: /usr/bin/dbus-daemon is already running
1308
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~#

I am running 2007.2 updated at 22.08.2008

Any ideas ?

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Re: Emergency call at boot time functionality (was Re: Windows CE on freerunner)

2008-08-23 Thread Lothar Behrens


Am 23.08.2008 um 11:15 schrieb robin paulson:


I have talked about boot options. At this time there is no locking
screen. Simply there should be a button to bypass the normal boot by
pressing and go into an emergency mode.

This way only 8 seconds may be remaining until a emergency call  
would be

possible. Not 2 minutes.

The unlock screen may have a top left area and a top right area.  
Right

would be normal unlock and left maybe emergency call.

You must have a lock, since otherwise you may accidantly issue an
emergency call.



the point i was making is that when people are in stressful situations
they panic; even something as simple as selecting a different option  
at

boot-time becomes difficult.

the point about the screen lock was an example to illustrate my main
point. there are many more i could have chosen, but picked one related
to mobile phones



The boot menu should in this case be ONLY an emergency button. Shown for
about 3 seconds or the like, it could be pressed to bypass the normal  
boot sequence.


If the button is not pressed the normal boot will occur.

The uboot menu should not be used, because you have to press also the  
AUX button.

This is unusual for the normal user thus they forgot about it.

I have just pressed at the aux button from screen locked state. Is  
there a way to replace
the usual 'buttons' by one 'Take Emergency call' or better an icon for  
it.


The small dismiss button should stay at the mottom to go back into  
screen lock.


This could then well documented.

Also the power button could be used in paralell for the same issue.  
There is only a need to

detect, that the phone was in screen lock mode.

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Emergency call at boot time functionality (was Re: Windows CE on freerunner)

2008-08-22 Thread Lothar Behrens


Am 22.08.2008 um 03:20 schrieb Vikas Saurabh:

Totally agreed but it would still be fun have my own hello world  
program running. Can I have a HelloWorld named as uImage.bin and  
which can be loaded by uboot.

Wait I would try that out myselfshould be interesting :)


Hi,

besides of WindowsCE and I don't like it on my phone for dayly use, I  
like to ask another question:


There were some comments when booting Linux it take about 2-3 minutes.  
And the commentary was

'How to take an emergency call ?'

Would such a specialized uImage.bin able to manage such an emergency  
call ?


If so, why not developing such a secondary image and change the power  
on screen by adding an emergency

button and let the user the change to do so ?

I think, this is very important.

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Re: Emergency call at boot time functionality (was Re: Windows CE on freerunner)

2008-08-22 Thread Lothar Behrens
Am Freitag, den 22.08.2008, 21:48 +1200 schrieb robin paulson:
 Lothar Behrens wrote:
  besides of WindowsCE and I don't like it on my phone for dayly use, I 
  like to ask another question:
  
  There were some comments when booting Linux it take about 2-3 minutes. 
  And the commentary was
  'How to take an emergency call ?'
  
  Would such a specialized uImage.bin able to manage such an emergency call ?
  
  If so, why not developing such a secondary image and change the power on 
  screen by adding an emergency
  button and let the user the change to do so ?
  
  I think, this is very important.
 
 
 it's a nice idea, something like the splashtop[1] BIOS used in asus 
 motherboards?
 
 problem is, you're relying on people thinking clearly, being able to 
 make good logical decisions and correctly choosing the environment to 
 boot into on startup. unfortunately, this is the last thing most people 
 can do in the sort of high-stress situation which typically demands an 
 emergency call.
 
 if you study some mobiles, they are able to make emergency calls without 
 unlocking the screen, because manufacturers realise people can't even 
 manage that simple task when they panic, even something they may do 20 
 times a day
 
 [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Splashtop
 

I have talked about boot options. At this time there is no locking
screen. Simply there should be a button to bypass the normal boot by
pressing and go into an emergency mode.

This way only 8 seconds may be remaining until a emergency call would be
possible. Not 2 minutes.

The unlock screen may have a top left area and a top right area. Right
would be normal unlock and left maybe emergency call.

You must have a lock, since otherwise you may accidantly issue an
emergency call.

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Re: Freerunner CAD Files - IGES ans STEP formats availalbe - Who wants to test them?

2008-08-22 Thread Lothar Behrens
Am Donnerstag, den 21.08.2008, 13:55 +0200 schrieb Lothar Behrens:
 Hi,
 
 
 just a note: I knew about another CAD software, that will convert IGES
 or ProE format and is Open Source.
 
 
 See this link for more information: http://brlcad.org/
 

Hi,

I do currently convert these iges files into g files that could be read
directly by mged of the BRL-CAD package. If someone is interested, I
could upload a tgz file to anywhere if the conversion is ready.

The CAD package also was compileable without any problems on my Debian
Etch (PPC)

Regards

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Compiling single package

2008-08-22 Thread Lothar Behrens
Hi,

after some tries to compile the complete distribution (2007.2) on my
openSuSE 11.0, I must say that either my notebook has a hardware problem
or openSuSE 11.0 is not as stable as my old 9.1 installation.

It freezes after long time in screen saving mode while compiling (over
night)
It freezes while copying much data to my USB HDD.

Does someone here has successfully compiled a distribution with openSuSE
11.0 ?

The main question: Is it possible to start with mokomakefile only
compiling navit ipk package, for sample (from scratch) ?

Thanks

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Re: Extended battery pack

2008-08-21 Thread Lothar Behrens

Hi,

this are very interesting resources.

Has anyone had also the idea to create a 'docking station' that would  
propably also contains batteries ?


I mean to dock it on the side with the USB connector having 2/3 of the  
openmoko FR device in negative form,

so the FR could snap into the docking station.

I would create a 3D sketch if it isn't done anywhere else.

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Re: Freerunner CAD Files - IGES ans STEP formats availalbe - Who wants to test them?

2008-08-21 Thread Lothar Behrens

Hi,

just a note: I knew about another CAD software, that will convert IGES  
or ProE format and is Open Source.


See this link for more information: http://brlcad.org/

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Re: Try to install MokoMake on openSuSE 11 fails

2008-08-19 Thread Lothar Behrens
Am Dienstag, den 19.08.2008, 09:30 +0930 schrieb Rod Whitby:
 Lothar Behrens wrote:
  The difference is that I am using openSuSE 11 instead of 10.3.
 
 Which (of the many, redundant, mostly out of date, non-executable)
 instructions did you use?  Your subject says MokoMake (which I assume
 means MokoMakefile) but you talk below about manually installing bitbake
 (which the MokoMakefile does for you automatically).

Yes, that was the documentation I used. I have read the note about using
bitbake as I have to install it before. There was nothing about it does 
that for me :-)

I'll give it a retry today.

Thanks

  One package was not installable via Yast (help2man) = Downloaded
  orginal source tgz and built it. Ok
  
  Installing BitBake was also not possible via Yast. Downloaded the
  package from BerlinOS.
 
 Try http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoMakefile
 
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