Thinking about a german data offer (GPRS) from Klarmobil
Hi, I am still do not use my phone as a phone. Maybe some of the current distributions can be used. But what I am currently thinking of is a simple GPRS data offer to enable GPRS internet as either flat or volume based. Who knows about usable and cheap providers in germany to get at least a GPRS volume contract? Which sim cards will work in the FreeRunner? My current choice is a 0,19 Euro Cent per MB as I do not use the mobile data service much I think. Thanks Lothar -- | Rapid Prototyping | XSLT Codegeneration | http://www.lollisoft.de Lothar Behrens Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 73252 Lenningen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Good idea for other things - Was: Homemade USB gamepad (NeoPlay)
Am 14.12.2009 um 13:04 schrieb Neil Jerram: 2009/12/12 Lothar Behrens lothar.behr...@lollisoft.de: I always need to fiddle the USB cable into the neo and this could then avoided. I used to think that. I eventually realised that the real problem was that I have to force charging at 500mA. Could that be the case for you too? No, I simply have sometimes to fiddle the cable into the neo before starting the engine. It would be very nice if there are two contacts in the size of the small fingernail. Then one simply need to 'clip' it into a housing with counterpart contacts. The USB cable therefore is in the clip housing and it should have mounting device similar to those swan neg navigarion holder. Then the original device could be replaced by this device. Maybe someone could use blender to design such a device. I am only capable to design the electronics using KICAD. Another option would be a Wing drawing to be used as a electronic part for KICAD. I don't know if anyone has done similar parts to appear more like a housing. Regards, Lothar Regards, Neil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- | Rapid Prototyping | XSLT Codegeneration | http://www.lollisoft.de Lothar Behrens Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 73252 Lenningen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Good idea for other things - Was: Homemade USB gamepad (NeoPlay)
Am 14.12.2009 um 13:22 schrieb Christ van Willegen: On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 1:04 PM, Neil Jerram neiljer...@googlemail.com wrote: I used to think that. I eventually realised that the real problem was that I have to force charging at 500mA. Could that be the case for you too? I know that the OpenMoko adapter for the Neo has a resistor built-in to make detection possible. I wonder how easy/hard it would be to a) Have another standard R for '500 mA' defined in the software, and B) To fiddle an R in somewhere to let the Neo auto-detact 500 mA (if it's not connected to a USB bus). I haven an in-car adapter, with a USB port, that can source up to 650 mA, but I need to tell my Neo to charge at 500mA 'by hand' now... I have a 2 Ampere Cigarette adapter from my gas station near my home. It started working with a standard USB A - B cable and no extra resistor. As of the price sign it is a kombase 'USB-Ladestecker'. EAN: 4260098010084 It costs ~ 15.95 €. But I am unsure you get the same. I have tried and succeeded. Christ van Willegen -- 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- | Rapid Prototyping | XSLT Codegeneration | http://www.lollisoft.de Lothar Behrens Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 73252 Lenningen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Good idea for other things - Was: Homemade USB gamepad (NeoPlay)
Hi, it is an interesting idea, but also it would be a starting point to create additional power contacts to the adapter. Then a simple charging housing could be created to get rid of my troubles in my car adapter. I always need to fiddle the USB cable into the neo and this could then avoided. What about such an adapter? Lothar Am 08.12.2009 um 20:04 schrieb ANT: Hello! I developed a USB gamepad addon for Openmoko phones. It is tiny and thin. The electronical part is based on Raphaël Assénat's [1] USB game controller with 12 inputs [2] and uses the same firmware. Now Neo should beat Gizmondo and Tapwave Zodiac :D There is a YouTube video [3] and a page with photos at Openmoko Wiki [4]. [1] http://www.raphnet.net/ [2] http://www.raphnet.net/electronique/usb_game12/index_en.php [3] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8VRABmJKSw [4] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Gamepad_(NeoPlay) Cheers, Anton -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Homemade-USB-gamepad-NeoPlay-tp4134521p4134521.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- | Rapid Prototyping | XSLT Codegeneration | http://www.lollisoft.de Lothar Behrens Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 73252 Lenningen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Is sharing sound of mplayer output and speech-dispatcher to bluetooth device possible?
Hi, I would again ask if there has been any success to let navit speak to bluetooth headset? Or if anyone has got speech-dispatcher to use bluetooth device. I am able to play sound (mplayer + pm3 files) to A2DP. But I am not sure if both would work (when navit will speak, mplayer should pause). Below, you will see how I start playing mp3 files over A2DP. May it only missing something to do the same for navit? Could I share playing mp3 and navit speech? Can I extend the setup to also support redirecting speech-dispatcher output to bluetooth? Is eventually kill -STOP mplayer, spd-say ..., kill -CONT mplayer an option to recognize navit saying something? Start playing my playlist (random) #!/bin/sh killall -SIGQUIT mplayer /home/root/setup-bluetooth-audio.sh rm playlist-sorted.m3u rm playlist.m3u find /media/card/Musik -name *.mp3 /home/root/playlist-sorted.m3u /home/root/scramble.py /home/root/playlist-sorted.m3u /home/root/ playlist.m3u mplayer -ao alsa:device=bluetooth -playlist /home/root/playlist.m3u sleep 3 # Helps a little bit to avoid 'gaps' in the voice. But not all problems are gone. Especially in car (when it is very hot) the 'gaps' reappear?? renice -19 `ps ax | grep mplayer | grep -Ev grep|Unknown | awk -- 'BEGIN {}{ print $1;}'` renice -19 `ps ax | grep kmmcd | grep -Ev grep|Unknown | awk -- 'BEGIN {}{ print $1;}'` renice -19 `ps ax | grep -E SDIO Helper | grep -Ev grep|Unknown | awk -- 'BEGIN {}{ print $1;}'` #scramble.py #!/usr/bin/env python import sys, random filename = sys.argv[1] a = open(filename).read().strip().split(\n) random.shuffle(a) for i in a: print i #/home/root/setup-bluetooth-audio.sh !/bin/sh export DEVICE=00:1D:82:04:AA:40 /etc/init.d/bluetooth stop /etc/init.d/bluetooth start sleep 1 passkey-agent --default /home/root/SetHeadSetDefault.py #/home/root/SetHeadSetDefault.py !/usr/bin/python import dbus bus = dbus.SystemBus() manager = dbus.Interface(bus.get_object('org.bluez', '/org/bluez'), 'org.bluez.Manager') conn = manager.ActivateService('audio') audio = dbus.Interface(bus.get_object(conn, '/org/bluez/audio'), 'org.bluez.audio.Manager') path = audio.CreateDevice('00:1D:82:04:AA:40') audio.ChangeDefaultDevice(path) print path sink = dbus.Interface(bus.get_object(conn, path), 'org.bluez.audio.Sink') sink.Connect() It would be a nice feature :-) Thanks Lothar Am 18.02.2009 um 14:18 schrieb Lothar Behrens: See below... Am 15.02.2009 um 22:45 schrieb Rask Ingemann Lambertsen: On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 09:38:41PM +0100, Lothar Behrens wrote: Has no one got the output of speech-dispatcher into a bouetooth headset ? Using mplayer -ao alsa:device=bluetooth works, but not spd-say. It always comes out of the speaker. What does the speech-dispatcher documentation say about selecting a sound card for output? I havent found anyting usefull in the documentation or in the configuration files. Also try some of the stuff from the wiki: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/ Neo_1973_audio_subsystem#Driver_Status_3 Specifically these: http://wiki.openmoko.org/images/3/3d/Btcpu_gta02.state.txt http://handheldshell.com/bluetooth_pcm http://opensource.wolfsonmicro.com/~gg/bluetooth-pcm/bluetooth_pcm.c Usage would be something like this: $ alsactl restore -f Btcpu_gta02.state.txt $ ./bluetooth_pcm [play some sound here] using 'spd-say Hello' doesn't plays anything on my BT device. $ killall bluetooth_pcm Here it plays again on the internal speaker. The interesting controls of the state file are these: 20 'Sidetone Capture Volume' - 0 (increase as needed). 64 'Capture Right Mux' - 'Sidetone' to route playback mixer sound into right ADC. 66 'Capture Right Mixer' - 'Analogue Mix Right' to record right channel from right ADC. 67 'Capture Left Mixer' - 'Analogue Mix Right' to record left channel also from right ADC. 68 'Playback Mixer Voice Capture Sw' - false to not mix GSM output into the sidetone. 69 'Playback Mixer Left Capture Swi' - true to mix left output into the sidetone. 70 'Playback Mixer Right Capture Sw' - true to mix right output into the sidetone. (Maybe look at control 22 'Capture Volume' too?) Are the settings for the state file above working for you playing 'spd-say Hello' without modifying the contents from that link ? After looking into the code, is there a need for modifying the device respect to my neo ? This is because I call the following python script before I start mplayer with bt support. #!/usr/bin/python import dbus bus = dbus.SystemBus() manager = dbus.Interface(bus.get_object('org.bluez', '/org/bluez'), 'org.bluez.Manager') conn = manager.ActivateService('audio') audio = dbus.Interface(bus.get_object(conn, '/org/bluez/audio'), 'org.bluez.audio.Manager') path = audio.CreateDevice('00:1D:82:04:AA:40') audio.ChangeDefaultDevice(path) print path sink = dbus.Interface(bus.get_object
Not really yet usable. but an idea for multitouch
Hi, I have seen this video and due to a wide angle, a similar solution may be adaptable: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5s5EvhHy7eQfeature=related Any comments? Lothar -- | Rapid Prototyping | XSLT Codegeneration | http://www.lollisoft.de Lothar Behrens Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 73252 Lenningen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Developing wxWidgets applications?
Hi, a long time ago I was happy seeing the wxWidgets library on my neo. Now I have setup a development host for cross compiling my application that needs that library. Some of my important base libraries were built but I am missing wx-config to correctly build the wxWidgets based stuff. Searching in my directory tree gave the following result: lot...@mokodevelop:~/develop/Projects/CPP/BaseDevelopment sudo find / -name wx-config /usr/local/openmoko/arm/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/usr/bin/wx-config lot...@mokodevelop:~/develop/Projects/CPP/BaseDevelopment ls -l /usr/ local/openmoko/arm/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/usr/bin/wx-config lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 67 24. Jul 22:53 /usr/local/openmoko/arm/arm- angstrom-linux-gnueabi/usr/bin/wx-config - /usr/lib/wx/config/arm- angstrom-linux-gnueabi-gtk2-ansi-release-2.8 lot...@mokodevelop:~/develop/Projects/CPP/BaseDevelopment ls -l /usr/ lib/wx/config/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi-gtk2-ansi-release-2.8 ls: Zugriff auf /usr/lib/wx/config/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi-gtk2- ansi-release-2.8 nicht möglich: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden So the file is not installed whereas the library and the development libraries are installed: lot...@mokodevelop:~/develop/Projects/CPP/BaseDevelopment opkg-target list_installed | grep wxwidgets lot...@mokodevelop:~/develop/Projects/CPP/BaseDevelopment su Passwort: mokodevelop:/home/lothar/develop/Projects/CPP/BaseDevelopment # opkg- target list_installed | grep wxwidgets bash: opkg-target: command not found mokodevelop:/home/lothar/develop/Projects/CPP/BaseDevelopment # . /usr/ local/openmoko/arm/bin/setup-env mokodevelop:/home/lothar/develop/Projects/CPP/BaseDevelopment # opkg- target list_installed | grep wxwidgets wxwidgets - 2.8.9-r0 - wxwidgets-dev - 2.8.9-r0 - What am I missing? Has anyone successfully compiled the library and a sample application? Also I suspect getting trouble not having the unixODBC libraries. What is about the ODBC support? (At the beginning I thought I deactivate the support for ODBC in my code and only support Sqlite) Thanks Lothar -- | Rapid Prototyping | XSLT Codegeneration | http://www.lollisoft.de Lothar Behrens Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 73252 Lenningen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[Om 2008] Re: fixing bug #1024 successful reports?
Hi, I am also interested to get my daily phone :-) Why not just soldering another 10uF capacitor on top of the other. As I think soldering the capacitor to the shielding on the right yet requires an insulator. That way no long extra wires may be needed and no unsoldering is required. Some questions: I have read that making phone calls is impossible with that recamping, but I am able to do phone calls. I tried to start logging the battery with r...@om-gta02 ~ $ while true; do date mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.odeviced /org/freesmartphone/Device/ PowerSupply/battery org.freesmartphone.Device.PowerSupply.GetInfo sleep 5 done battery-data to compare the data, but I do not have mdbus command and it seems not to be installable with opkg (OM 2008). Where do I get it? What capacitor voltage is required or what capacitor could be used or where could I get a sample / buy one (22uF 0805 low-ESR)? I have no matching screwdriver, but an ESD save place to solder the capacitor with a Weller WECP 20. Is there any hardware fix party planned near stuttgart (I could provide the ESD equipment)? Is that ok? Thanks Lothar Am 22.07.2009 um 16:46 schrieb Daniel Willmann: Hi, On Tue, 21 Jul 2009 16:48:25 +0400 ivvmm unachieva...@gmail.com wrote: Hello list, were there any successful fixes since posting http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/hardware/2009-May/001192.html Is this the final solution? Please post here your reports. Since about 5 days I'm using my #1024 fixed device as my main phone (before I only used it with my test SIM) and so far stability is pretty good. I measured standby time (GSM on, phone in suspend) of around 140h which makes the Freerunner much more comfortable to use in my opinion. While increasing the capacitance does work to solve #1024 the actual problem is that the capacitor is not integrated in the regulator feedback loop (iirc). So while it's not the correct solution it's probably the best you can do without another hardware revision. Regards, Daniel Willmann ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- | Rapid Prototyping | XSLT Codegeneration | http://www.lollisoft.de Lothar Behrens Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 73252 Lenningen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om 2008] Re: fixing bug #1024 successful reports?
Am 23.07.2009 um 18:11 schrieb Al Johnson: On Thursday 23 July 2009, Lothar Behrens wrote: Hi, I am also interested to get my daily phone :-) Why not just soldering another 10uF capacitor on top of the other. As I think soldering the capacitor to the shielding on the right yet requires an insulator. I don't think there's enough space under the can. If there had been I doubt people would have been using the methods in this thread: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/hardware/2009-June/001230.html Ok, I don't know. As of reported to work I would do it as described. But I also wait about my reseller (pulster) if this is a warranty. Then I wouldn't do the work by my self :-) If not, I would like to see some pictures from that. Are there any around? That way no long extra wires may be needed and no unsoldering is required. The method in the post above avoids the long wire and unsoldering, but still needs insulation above and below. The insulation I think is better than not doing it :-) Some questions: I have read that making phone calls is impossible with that recamping, but I am able to do phone calls. You can't make or receive the call when the phone isn't registered, and in worst case the phone will spend ~1/3 of the time reregistering. Networks seem to handle reregistrations differently though - O2 UK sometimes thought the phone was switched off when I called it, while Orange and t-mobile always connected. This may have been luck though... I indeed had some reregistering and saw that by the symbol :-) I tried to start logging the battery with r...@om-gta02 ~ $ while true; do date mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.odeviced /org/freesmartphone/Device/ PowerSupply/battery org.freesmartphone.Device.PowerSupply.GetInfo sleep 5 done battery-data to compare the data, but I do not have mdbus command and it seems not to be installable with opkg (OM 2008). Where do I get it? It wouldn't help on om2008.x as it isn't using FSO. You should be able to use apm or the sysfs battery entry to get similar information though. See: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_sysfs I am look forward to update to a newer version of whatever. There I only need something: Working phone (calls/sms), working GPS (with navit), working WLAN (at least with scripts). A plus would be bluetooth with headset for car radio and optionally working hands free. Has the Om2009 such a feature set? Thanks Lothar -- | Rapid Prototyping | XSLT Codegeneration | http://www.lollisoft.de Lothar Behrens Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 73252 Lenningen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Toolchain-VM for C/Vala programs?
Hi, I am interested too in this project, but I would suggest using a readonly base image and an additional writable to decrease the download size while development until to a stable. Is this possible? Thanks Lothar Am 30.06.2009 um 14:44 schrieb Christ van Willegen: On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 3:20 PM, Aapo Rantalainenaapo.rantalai...@gmail.com wrote: If I make VirtualBox virtualmachine containing installed om- toolchain, where I should upload it? It is sure that somebody wants something else than VirtualBox, but this it only what I can offer. That would be great, I've been trying _forever_ to get a reasonably small virtual host 'together' for building OM apps! It would make app starting a bugfixing so much easier! Regards, Christ van Willegen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- | Rapid Prototyping | XSLT Codegeneration | http://www.lollisoft.de Lothar Behrens Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 73252 Lenningen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: intone a2dp (bluetooth) support
Am 13.06.2009 um 09:16 schrieb GNUtoo: On Wed, 2009-06-10 at 10:08 -0500, The Digital Pioneer wrote: I play oggs with intone/a2dp, but I have to renice mplayer to -19 to keep it smooth. It still cuts occasionally, but that could just be connectivity. don't forget to edit mplayer's configuration in order to tell him to use tremor(fixed point ogg decider) Denis. I have discovered the same cuts and using mplayer using a2dp without any other frontend (reniced to -19). While trying to figure out the reason of the cuts I have these thougt's: The cuts come when I drive the car in sunny weather (hot) after a while. The cuts come when I charge the bettery (car/wall charger). The cuts goes away after a while holding the phone into the air con stream. It seems a temperature problem. So first I thought the SD card or the path from there is a problem. But that isn't as I have tested mplayer in ssh to see console output. No error messages. Also I got no bandwidth problems downloading planet.bin for navit while playing music. Now I have tried to renice some other processes while testing it with the omnewrotate while rotating. There are also these cuts and after renicing kmmcd to -19 these cuts dissapeared. But I ran navit while these tests and when calculating a route the cuts appeared. But this may also solved by playing with the other related processes. But what I think is a problem when a phone call comes into the phone while all this. If mplayer' is running the ring event or the like should pause any mp3 or ogg players :-) It's because I have figured out much response problems while this happens and a phone call may get unanswered. Beside of renicing kmmcd, SDIO Helper and mplayer I then got a problem with my WLAN connection. So it is a bit more work to get all working well. I'll now test navigarion in a car, but it is not that hot today. Lothar ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- | Rapid Prototyping | XSLT Codegeneration | http://www.lollisoft.de Lothar Behrens Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 73252 Lenningen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Navit internal GUI
Hi, I have used navit for a while now and today I have updated to svn-2314. It gets better and better, but I still have my problems with some parts of the internal GUI. When adding more bookmarks than the screen can display I have no option to scroll in the bookmark list. So more than a hand full of bookmarks are unusable. (If I am not missing any way to lookup the bookmarks) When displaying the route description a next and prev button is shown and this could be used for all list data. Thinking about bookmarks, why not adding a feature to the address book to start navit with the contact as destination? (Or correlate the data anyhow) Beside the problems and idea, congratulation. The route calculation seems much faster now ! Lothar -- | Rapid Prototyping | XSLT Codegeneration | http://www.lollisoft.de Lothar Behrens Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 73252 Lenningen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Neo to be used as a WLAN phone connected to a Linux server with an ISDN card possible?
Hi, I am asking if it would be possible to use my Neo FreeRunner to be a phone to be used instead of an ISDN dect phone? I have a Linux server, but not tried any of this. If possible, what packages do I need (on FreeRunner and openSuSE Linux 11.1) Thanks Lothar -- | Rapid Prototyping | XSLT Codegeneration | http://www.lollisoft.de Lothar Behrens Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 73252 Lenningen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Neo to be used as a WLAN phone connected to a Linux server with an ISDN card possible?
Ok, thanks. I have a AVM Fritz PCI ISDN card that works with the answering machine and the fax software hylafax. So I'll give it a try. The Fritz is as lspci -v told: 00:0c.0 Network controller: AVM GmbH A1 ISDN [Fritz] (rev 02) Subsystem: AVM GmbH FRITZ!Card ISDN Controller Flags: medium devsel, IRQ 10 Memory at fdb0 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=32] I/O ports at 9000 [size=32] Kernel modules: hisax_fcpcipnp, hisax Would that work? Lothar Am 07.05.2009 um 13:27 schrieb Timo Juhani Lindfors: Lothar Behrens lothar.behr...@lollisoft.de writes: I am asking if it would be possible to use my Neo FreeRunner to be a phone to be used instead of an ISDN dect phone? I have a Linux server, but not tried any of this. If possible, what packages do I need (on FreeRunner and openSuSE Linux 11.1) If asterisk can make calls using your ISDN line then this should be very easy. Just use linphone3 SIP client on FR and register to your asterisk. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- | Rapid Prototyping | XSLT Codegeneration | http://www.lollisoft.de Lothar Behrens Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 73252 Lenningen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Watching videos on neo freerunner (openmoko 2008.12) mplayer-glamo
Am 14.04.2009 um 23:08 schrieb drac2000: ... Hey and when you use vdr (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_Disk_Recorder ) and a plugin to transcode it for small screens, you could watch tv live! ... I am a big Vdr fun I am trying to make it work on vdr playback first When you say watch tv live what do you mean by that ? You're gonna kill me if you tell me that you are watching live Vdr on your FR I can watch german DVB-T stream live on my Neo :-) But not yet recorded videos, because I havent found a plugin for vdr to transcode recordings AND stream them. An option would be a client that browses a samba share of recorded videos, but then the transcodings must be processed anyhow beforehand. I have created a video about that showing it working in parallel to my Mac showing news. But the video is currently about 2Gig :-( Not compressed VGA size. There is also other report about the neo and it's usability - but german - I haven't yet translated the video to english. This + shrinking the size costs another day of work I think. What could I use to get it ready for youtube (Linux or mac)? I have created the video with my Nicon S500 camera and done the cut with HyperEngine-AV on my Mac. Not good, but you see it working :-) Some issues with navit I reported are not correct at all for now. so I think I will cut them out and create only a short one for vdr + neo issue. Lothar -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Watching-videos-on-neo-freerunner-%28openmoko-2008.12%29-mplayer-glamo-tp2141404p2635374.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- | Rapid Prototyping | XSLT Codegeneration | http://www.lollisoft.de Lothar Behrens Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 73252 Lenningen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Watching videos on neo freerunner (openmoko 2008.12) mplayer-glamo
This is really good news! I have measured about 70% to 80% with mplayer. Hey and when you use vdr (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_Disk_Recorder ) and a plugin to transcode it for small screens, you could watch tv live! I have tried that and it works very well. Now I have made a small video, recording the Neo and in paralell my Mac with sound. Indeed my sound on the neo is routed to my Jabra 3030 BT device, so it is a nice TV for looking in bed, before giong to sleep. What about the law to publish the video? How small should it be - 1 minute? It's german news from today at about 13:15 from ZDF. We could do such stuff - right and legal to demonstrate the features and try to bring such presentations to the press. As I read an article, most companies would be likely show only the positive things in their advertisement and wrap the not so good features with long technical specifications. This is a marketing trick. Here, the heise publisher reports about the tricks: http://www.heise.de/ct/Spar-Schweinereien--/artikel/135132 I don't know, if this article is also published in english. So keep on going to produce 'good' press materal and find sponsors to publish them! Or even simply keep staying legal with the content. What do you think? The video that is recorded is about 1GB. I can try to work on it, but I need some ideas about the length the TV recordings must be at maximum. Lothar Am 08.04.2009 um 11:50 schrieb Leonti Bielski: Denis, thanks a lot! I've put your config file on wiki. Now I can play video from memory card using only 15% of CPU! Leonti On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 11:50 PM, Denis Shulyaka shuly...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/4/8 Ivan Shirokov ivanshirok...@gmail.com: Does it work for FSO? Somehow it hangs up my FR. And there's something like Your system is too slow in the console =( Actually, the mplayer build that is suggested in the wiki uses mp3lib for decoding mp3 audio tracks by default. I suggest you adding afm=ffmpeg line to ~/.mplayer/config file to force using ffmpeg's internal mp3 decoder, or use a build without mp3lib support. It appears to be more than 3 times faster on my FR! Here is my ~/.mplayer/config file: vo=xover:glamo,x11 display=:0 afm=ffmpeg fs=1 quiet=1 osdlevel=0 noautosub=1 stop-xscreensaver=1 Hope it helps. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- | Rapid Prototyping | XSLT Codegeneration | http://www.lollisoft.de Lothar Behrens Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 73252 Lenningen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Watching videos on neo freerunner (openmoko 2008.12) mplayer-glamo
Not yet. I have grabbed the information from what was available. So maybe I seek the places and think about these descriptions to concentrate it or simply link them as the steps to do. Thus I have to backup my settings, grab those needed for the functionality and replay the setup procedure to approve it before writing from my stuff in brain. I vagually remember a mail I have sent about the Jabra BT issue here. I must search for it :-) Lothar Am 08.04.2009 um 14:10 schrieb Risto H. Kurppa: On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 2:40 PM, Lothar Behrens lothar.behr...@lollisoft.de wrote: Hey and when you use vdr (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_Disk_Recorder ) and a plugin to transcode it for small screens, you could watch tv live! I have tried that and it works very well. Now I have made a small video, recording the Neo and in paralell my Mac with sound. Indeed my sound on the neo is routed to my Jabra 3030 BT device, so it is a nice TV for looking in bed, before giong to sleep. Have you documented the setup somewhere (openmoko wiki?) , I'd like to see how do you do it.. r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- | Rapid Prototyping | XSLT Codegeneration | http://www.lollisoft.de Lothar Behrens Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 73252 Lenningen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Watching videos on neo freerunner (openmoko 2008.12) mplayer-glamo (Was Re: Jabra BT3030 experience anywhere ?)
Here it is, what I have published that time: Searching for 'Jabra' on the wiki gave no result and searching for 'Bluetooth' gave no headline regarding to Jabra, but I know, there is a A2DP page (http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/A2DP). The Jabra 3030 BT isn't reported there to work. So before I do, has it been put by someone at the wiki or anywhere? Lothar Am 19.01.2009 um 14:34 schrieb Lothar Behrens: Hi, now I have got the Jabra BT3030 working. Excelent sound, no crushing noices as experienced with my Mac OS X :-) I also have successfully tested connection with a second phone to test incoming calls. I'll hear a ring and I could accept and speak. Once the mplayer didn't come back with sound. I'll figure out the cause if I have time. Restarting helped to solve. The installation steps, Steven has explained, are correct, but on the 2008.12 are some packages not installed. I am using mplayer. And there is a working description as of post from Glen at 29. Dezember 2008 04:27:48 MEZ. There was only an issue with the libgcc library that was too old, thus sdl couldn't be installed, what mplayer caused to be not startable. (At least today) After installing the following package, sdl was installable and mplayer would work. http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/feeds/2008/ipk/glibc/armv4t/base/libgcc1_4.2.4-r5.1_armv4t.ipk Also missing is the bluez-utils-alsa package. Mplayer couldn't find These are my packets: r...@om-gta02:~# opkg list_installed | grep blue bluez-audio - 3.33-r3 - bluez-hcidump - 1.42-r0 - bluez-utils - 3.33-r3 - bluez-utils-alsa - 3.33-r3 - bluez-utils-compat - 3.33-r3 - kernel-module-bluetooth - 3:2.6.24+gitr76014+fb42ce6724576fc173faf8abfb04aa2c36d213b7-r2.01 - libbluetooth2 - 3.33-r0 - The other packages are as reported from Glen. Here is my script to use the headset. (The bluetooth device must be activated, or added as a line): #!/bin/sh export DEVICE=XX:XX:XX:XX:XX:XX /etc/init.d/bluetooth stop /etc/init.d/bluetooth start sleep 1 passkey-agent --default sleep 1 echo Create bonding dbus-send --system --type=method_call --print-reply -- dest=org.bluez /org/bluez/hci0 org.bluez.Adapter.CreateBonding string:$DEVICE sleep 1 echo Activating service audio dbus-send --system --print-reply --dest=org.bluez /org/bluez org.bluez.Manager.ActivateService string:audio sleep 1 echo Creating device dbus-send --system --type=method_call --print-reply -- dest=org.bluez /org/bluez/audio org.bluez.audio.Manager.CreateDevice string:$DEVICE sleep 1 echo Connecting sink dbus-send --system --type=method_call --print-reply --dest=org.bluez /org/bluez/audio/device0 org.bluez.audio.Sink.Connect To use the bluetooth audio device, the player has to started with the correct parameters. Have fun - I have :-) Lothar -- | Rapid Prototyping | XSLT Codegeneration | http://www.lollisoft.de Lothar Behrens Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 73252 Lenningen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- | Rapid Prototyping | XSLT Codegeneration | http://www.lollisoft.de Lothar Behrens Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 73252 Lenningen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Autorun for SD card mechanism?
There is an idea rattling in my head about the following issue: Given I have a micro SD card and that would have all here, what is about a bootstrap mechanism to post install packages that are laying on that card to be installed, when a new image is started at first time? Like the autorun of a CD, this would help to ease the distro switch but keep my usual applications that otherwise have to be installed manually. This would include SSH settings, WLAN settings, look and feel, and what ever may possible. What about it? -- | Rapid Prototyping | XSLT Codegeneration | http://www.lollisoft.de Lothar Behrens Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 73252 Lenningen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Autorun for SD card mechanism?
Ok, as the idea was good, more thoughts: 1.) Using the sd card to store jet installed application information is not good. Then it would only run the first distro switch. 2.) Keep in mind, that packages from the usual opkg may be installed in later releases. And it may or may not reinstalled. 3.) Using a database repository in the net to update a local database of applications that may installable without problems per distro. 4.) If a user add's an application with opkg, a choice could be made to activate autoinstall for later switches. 5.) If the application isn't in the database on the net, or the local copy, add it but mark it as untested. 6.) The database could be used for a hitlist of installed applications that would really used, because a reinstall could be counted. 7.) Untested applications that should be installed, could be complained about and a choice could be made. 8.) Feedback if successfully installed application makes problems. The user should be asked some time later and he/she may make choices as of like this: 'App1 is usable', 'App2 has problems on this distro' and so forth. That way, we get feedback of the most used applications, we see the quality in the installability and we may spot conflicts. Next, if a distro decides to add an application as default, it could be marked as installed by that distro. This leads propably to an update process per distro and thus a local copy (if there will be really some for offline installations) could either removed any time - by asking or the app on the card could also get updated. Keep in mind that there are issues with the applications data. If this data is not at least backed up to sd card, a distro switch may kill your data :-) Also keep in mind, that users don't want to give that feedback. We don't do it like some companies do collect their statistical :-) It is not easy and I don't like to only create a quick hack, that would not work at all. Lothar Am 08.04.2009 um 16:28 schrieb Pander: in the first boot, also make the most default choices of all when /media/card/post directory is found. e.g. English, Illume SHR theme, ..., next, next, next, finish ;) Johny Tenfinger wrote: Hmm... Maybe there is a place for some app... shr-firstboot :) It could also replace first boot creator from e17, which isn't very useful on Neos... 2009/4/8, Pander pan...@users.sourceforge.net: good idea. I already have all those files on SD but after each upgrade have to install them manually, which is annoying. I would suggest something like: 1) notify user to do an opkg update and opkg upgrade first 2) change to post installation directory cd /media/card/post 3) change to package directory and install all that is in there cd packages opkg install *.ipk *.opk cd .. 4) override files cd override [[copy all files to root of system, e.g. override/etc/blabla to /etc/blabla]] cd .. 5) path files cd patches [[apply all patchers to root of system]] cd .. off course documenting your changes via patches/diffs is preferred over overriding, allowing improvements in other parts of the files via opkg upgrade before you start. Johny Tenfinger wrote: Shortly: Let's write it ;) 2009/4/8, Lothar Behrens lothar.behr...@lollisoft.de: There is an idea rattling in my head about the following issue: Given I have a micro SD card and that would have all here, what is about a bootstrap mechanism to post install packages that are laying on that card to be installed, when a new image is started at first time? Like the autorun of a CD, this would help to ease the distro switch but keep my usual applications that otherwise have to be installed manually. This would include SSH settings, WLAN settings, look and feel, and what ever may possible. What about it? -- | Rapid Prototyping | XSLT Codegeneration | http://www.lollisoft.de Lothar Behrens Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 73252 Lenningen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- | Rapid Prototyping | XSLT Codegeneration | http://www.lollisoft.de Lothar Behrens Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2
Re: Autorun for SD card mechanism?
Yes, I agree with that when data should be used from sdcard, if there are these files. That would be the quick hack in my mind. But I brought up my points in case if there are applications for specific distros and versions that may be incompatible to each other? I don't know if the issue will make the whole thing too complex, but I thought to discuss about it. I have had a case where I gone back to an older version, but it didn't worked any more and I didn't know, wich versions do fit together. Am 09.04.2009 um 01:02 schrieb Pander: A directory called /media/card/post/linked with e.g. files like /media/card/post/linked/root/.cellhunter /media/card/post/linked/root/Maps/ the original /root/.cellhunter file and /root/Maps directory will be deleted and a soft link will be created to the ones in linked directory. Lothar Behrens wrote: Ok, as the idea was good, more thoughts: 1.) Using the sd card to store jet installed application information is not good. Then it would only run the first distro switch. 2.) Keep in mind, that packages from the usual opkg may be installed in later releases. And it may or may not reinstalled. 3.) Using a database repository in the net to update a local database of applications that may installable without problems per distro. 4.) If a user add's an application with opkg, a choice could be made to activate autoinstall for later switches. 5.) If the application isn't in the database on the net, or the local copy, add it but mark it as untested. 6.) The database could be used for a hitlist of installed applications that would really used, because a reinstall could be counted. 7.) Untested applications that should be installed, could be complained about and a choice could be made. 8.) Feedback if successfully installed application makes problems. The user should be asked some time later and he/she may make choices as of like this: 'App1 is usable', 'App2 has problems on this distro' and so forth. That way, we get feedback of the most used applications, we see the quality in the installability and we may spot conflicts. Next, if a distro decides to add an application as default, it could be marked as installed by that distro. This leads propably to an update process per distro and thus a local copy (if there will be really some for offline installations) could either removed any time - by asking or the app on the card could also get updated. Keep in mind that there are issues with the applications data. If this data is not at least backed up to sd card, a distro switch may kill your data :-) Also keep in mind, that users don't want to give that feedback. We don't do it like some companies do collect their statistical :-) It is not easy and I don't like to only create a quick hack, that would not work at all. Lothar Am 08.04.2009 um 16:28 schrieb Pander: in the first boot, also make the most default choices of all when /media/card/post directory is found. e.g. English, Illume SHR theme, ..., next, next, next, finish ;) Johny Tenfinger wrote: Hmm... Maybe there is a place for some app... shr-firstboot :) It could also replace first boot creator from e17, which isn't very useful on Neos... 2009/4/8, Pander pan...@users.sourceforge.net: good idea. I already have all those files on SD but after each upgrade have to install them manually, which is annoying. I would suggest something like: 1) notify user to do an opkg update and opkg upgrade first 2) change to post installation directory cd /media/card/post 3) change to package directory and install all that is in there cd packages opkg install *.ipk *.opk cd .. 4) override files cd override [[copy all files to root of system, e.g. override/etc/blabla to /etc/blabla]] cd .. 5) path files cd patches [[apply all patchers to root of system]] cd .. off course documenting your changes via patches/diffs is preferred over overriding, allowing improvements in other parts of the files via opkg upgrade before you start. Johny Tenfinger wrote: Shortly: Let's write it ;) 2009/4/8, Lothar Behrens lothar.behr...@lollisoft.de: There is an idea rattling in my head about the following issue: Given I have a micro SD card and that would have all here, what is about a bootstrap mechanism to post install packages that are laying on that card to be installed, when a new image is started at first time? Like the autorun of a CD, this would help to ease the distro switch but keep my usual applications that otherwise have to be installed manually. This would include SSH settings, WLAN settings, look and feel, and what ever may possible. What about it? -- | Rapid Prototyping | XSLT Codegeneration | http://www.lollisoft.de Lothar Behrens Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 73252 Lenningen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community
Re: Hardware mods in India
Good link. I think we should collect them and learn from each other. Also making it an overview what about the movement is going on. At http://openblog.methril.net/ the work was adapted to a new device :-) Great. The more devices are supported the more possible developers get involved to make the distibution better. What else devices are available or is being developed for? Do you share my mind? Lothar Am 07.04.2009 um 12:28 schrieb Alok G. Singh: Is there a place in India, preferably Bangalore to get the GPS TTFF fix and the buzz fix as well ? I have no hardware skills. I did mail Ida Systems[1] (who are the resellers in India) but I did not get a reply. Footnotes: [1] http://www.idasystems.net/ -- Alok The most important things, each person must do for himself. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- | Rapid Prototyping | XSLT Codegeneration | http://www.lollisoft.de Lothar Behrens Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 73252 Lenningen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Slashdotted
Am 07.04.2009 um 14:11 schrieb Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman): because nokia make dozens of phones and are not stopping ALL of them. when a company stops its entire development of new products in a product line... in fact its ONLY product that is publically known (development meaning the next improved version) it does make new. it matters. it is the same as is nokia stopped making ALL phones and decided to start making shoes instead. that'd make news!. :) these things create a life of their own - if they are correct or not. the media interprets it in the way to make it as sensational as possible. sensation sells to readers. readers mean ads ... and ads are revenue. if half the worlds news was reported realistically in proportion.. you would have a pretty boring media. :) That's what was jumping around in my brain. It's lke the german sensation focused Bild newspaper :-) Lothar -- | Rapid Prototyping | XSLT Codegeneration | http://www.lollisoft.de Lothar Behrens Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 73252 Lenningen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Camera module as back case (was Re: Slashdotted)
The expansion spacer is exactly what could be done for a hands on hobby electronics playground :-) (http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wishlist/ExpansionSpacer) What I mean with the replacement back case, is that you don't need to screw up the torx and add the spacer. The end user don't like to fiddle with that. He simply wants to change the front and back covers by ones with other color. Adding a cam inside there would be doable without the risk of less stability of the back cover to keep the howsing closed. The issue is with the bigger or second battery. Does it still keep closed or could it easyly fall out due to the wight. Modifying the battery housing to be more likely a snap in for the bettery would solve this issue. With the higher cover also a different battery could be used and with the snap in mechanics it will hopefully no problem for the stability. The contacts for the signals, whatever is used, should be similar to the battery contacts. Using any jack like the USB on the outside is fiddling. I know it by fiddling my car holder for the neo to connect the usb power cable. For sample, we could use the connector aparatus like that from the SD card. Using a one side mounted plate with a spring behind the other side the 'SD card' would propably savely 'connect' to the SD card connector used as the jack. (If the usual spring based connector pins like the battery aren't enough) I don't know how stable the hinge would be as also the moving wires that goes to the cover's electronic, but it's worth a try. The snap in mechanism of the cover will help adjusting the place where the jack must be. Lothar Am 06.04.2009 um 12:49 schrieb Robin Paulson: 2009/4/6 Robin Paulson robin.paul...@gmail.com: there were a few tentative steps on the wiki some months back concerning alternate cases, and this was one suggested idea lots around here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Category:Hardware_ideas expansion back looks like it covers your camera module ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- | Rapid Prototyping | XSLT Codegeneration | http://www.lollisoft.de Lothar Behrens Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 73252 Lenningen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Camera module as back case (was Re: Slashdotted)
About the camera issue: I have read something about a small computer base case that has a jack or bus system ontop of it's case. That way it is extendable with cameras or what ever. I don't know where it was but it was cool. Why not think about a back case that includes a cam and using contacts in the inner housing to connect the cam to, say an I2C bus or even an USB hub (USB2)? If an USB jack is mounted that way, such a 'pimp my neo with a cam module' would propably a gatget one could buy. (Expected he want's a camera :-) The usual neo looks as before when this replacement back case isn't used and when used, there may also the possibility to add an extra battery. I asked some time ago, if it would be practical to have a database application on the neo (Database applications practical on mobile device ?). There was an interest, that may also involved to have a camera option: http://www.thehumanjourney.net/ Joseph Reeves argued that it would be very interesting to contribute or evaluate. As he is a member at the above link, the 'archaeology service' would propably benefit from such a cam gatget with extra battery, because they seem to make much pictures in the archaeology work, thus they need also long live usability. If the gatget didn't really be implementable with the USB connector in mind, it would be an option to connect with bluetooth and only connect the extra battery. Advantages: One gatget to track GPS locations, correlate directly the pictures with the GPS positions (I am struggling with my extra cam and the GPS traces), propably add voice notes that are GPS correlated. Development: The standard back case, could be used to mod it as a first prototype. I have seen a post with pictures that show something with an extra battery. (The second last picture from here: http://freeyourphone.de/portal_v1/gallery/views.php?start=20) That could be done colleraborately. The bluetooth camera: http://digitalcameras.engadget.com/2006/04/02/kodaks-bluetooth-camera-module/ Design: As thicker than one battery, As thicker than a cam module, As thicker than the supporting electronics. Using BRLCAD could be an option to create a preview, when possible components with their sizes are choosen. The database that may be the backend should be discussed separately. I am practicing the idea of model driven development and fast prototyping. I have seen wxWidgtes on my neo, but not yet found the time to start porting my code to it :-( But prototyping from a desktop would be possible for creating python CRUD applications at the end (code generation). Lothar Am 06.04.2009 um 10:29 schrieb David Reyes Samblas Martinez: I finally see your face :), I also add great voice Great excerpt of what's going on there in OM thanks steve. As Risto sais way to go :) 2009/4/6 Steve Mosher st...@openmoko.com: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_d8Tsvj2TdQ Hair straightener required. Risto H. Kurppa wrote: I'm just amazed to see this discussion, that actually someone from Openmoko (=Steve) is responding to the ideas, sharing their/his thoughts. As someone pointed already out earlier in this thread - this is what an open company is supposed to be doing. Way to go, keep up the good work, we're looking forward to see the freeopen hair-straightener with WLAN :) r ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- David Reyes Samblas Martinez http://www.tuxbrain.com Open ultraportable embedded solutions Openmoko, Openpandora, GP2X the Wiz, Letux 400, Arduino Hey, watch out!!! There's a linux in your pocket!!! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- | Rapid Prototyping | XSLT Codegeneration | http://www.lollisoft.de Lothar Behrens Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 73252 Lenningen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Camera module as back case (was Re: Slashdotted)
I read the issue with removing the hole. The space in that 'hole' could be used as the docking bay for extensions. Ok, the mic should somehow moved, or a 'voicepipe' could be used to direct the acustics. A good starting point to use the space somehow useful. Lothar Am 06.04.2009 um 12:49 schrieb Robin Paulson: 2009/4/6 Robin Paulson robin.paul...@gmail.com: there were a few tentative steps on the wiki some months back concerning alternate cases, and this was one suggested idea lots around here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Category:Hardware_ideas expansion back looks like it covers your camera module ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- | Rapid Prototyping | XSLT Codegeneration | http://www.lollisoft.de Lothar Behrens Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 73252 Lenningen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GPS emergency call standards
Besides all the discussion. Is this here really yet patented? http://www.brainshell.de/patentmarkt_ikt.php http://www.brainshell.de/upload/Openmoko_de01b9e8b4.pdf If a patent would disable an emergeny functionality like automating the alert in case of 'changing behaviour' (accels), or it makes the device a bit more expensive, because it helps save live, I must say patents are the wrong way. I think, such an important issue should not be patented, because it is a feature all phones should become and not only these whose manufacturer are willing to pay the patent licenses. Also, in my view, the amount of invention is not quite high to eligible for a patent. What do you think? Is there prior art? http://www.steiger-stiftung.de/GPS-Ortung-So-funktioniert-s.67.0.html An interactive location is established and is provided by many services, does an automation of them by a change in accelorometer behavior not be always the conclusion to be the best? Wouldn't that idea in someones head earlyer? Lothar Am 19.03.2009 um 01:18 schrieb Rask Ingemann Lambertsen: On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 02:58:10PM +0100, Tilman Baumann wrote: Harald Welte wrote: On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 12:06:20PM +0100, Tilman Baumann wrote: PS: According to Wikipedia, 112 works on all GSM networks no matter if the number is a emergency number in tie state. that depends on what the network operator does. Yep, but there seems to be some international agreement on the significance of 112. I don't have any quote yet, but as far as I understood it is even required to by the GSM standards. But that might be wrong. A D112 AT command is mentioned in the 3GPP TS 07.07 specification which you can get from here: http://www.3gpp.org/ftp/Specs/html-info/0707.htm Quoting section 8.3 Enter PIN +CPIN: NOTE: Commands which interact with ME that are accepted when ME is pending SIM PIN, SIM PUK, or PH‑SIM are: +CGMI, +CGMM, +CGMR, +CGSN, D112; (emergency call), +CPAS, +CFUN, +CPIN, +CDIS (read and test command only), and +CIND (read and test command only). I don't know where the D112 command is documented. I also haven't looked through the commands to see if there is a loophole such that you can dial 112 without making an emergency call. Btw, a few days ago danish media had a news story about unintended emergency calls. It appears that the answering machine offered by many telcos is partly to blame. What happens is that you press and hold 1 to speed dial your answering machine, press 1 to listen to a message and press 2 to delete a message. Doing so leaves the number 112 on the display... -- Rask Ingemann Lambertsen Danish law requires addresses in e-mail to be logged and stored for a year ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- | Rapid Prototyping | XSLT Codegeneration | http://www.lollisoft.de Lothar Behrens Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 73252 Lenningen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
CAD files and gCAD3D
Hi, I have just seen on the page http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/CAD_models that gCAD3D could be used for previewing the CAD models. Does it support boolean operations to derive other housings? Is this tool propably usable to export in other formats? I have tried to play with blender and it is a great animation tool. It also is relatively easy to use when some introductory videos or screen casts are followed. Also this application runs on Mac OS X I am mostly running. Thanks Lothar -- | Rapid Prototyping | XSLT Codegeneration | http://www.lollisoft.de Lothar Behrens Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 73252 Lenningen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Camera module as back case (was Re: Slashdotted)
Am 06.04.2009 um 21:03 schrieb Joerg Reisenweber: Am Mo 6. April 2009 schrieb Lothar Behrens: I read the issue with removing the hole. The space in that 'hole' could be used as the docking bay for extensions. Ok, the mic should somehow moved, or a 'voicepipe' could be used to direct the acustics. A good starting point to use the space somehow useful. This unused space is part of GSM-ant design and it isn't that easy to simply build some electronics to fit in there without detuning whole RF- design and/or having nasty EMI-problems in the newly created addon. Ahh ok. So beside this, a small sketch where addons could be placed would be helpfull to not fall in that traps. Are there save regions, say bottom layer to ground (HF shield) and SMD only on top of the board added? Lothar /j -- | Rapid Prototyping | XSLT Codegeneration | http://www.lollisoft.de Lothar Behrens Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 73252 Lenningen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Slashdotted
Am 06.04.2009 um 22:19 schrieb Max: so a switch to maemo ? Why switching. It's an internet tablet, not really usable as a mobile phone - in my mind. -- | Rapid Prototyping | XSLT Codegeneration | http://www.lollisoft.de Lothar Behrens Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 73252 Lenningen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Slashdotted
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Re: Slashdotted
Am 05.04.2009 um 18:14 schrieb Joerg Reisenweber: Am So 5. April 2009 schrieb Lothar Behrens: Hi, I am mostly reading and sometime writing here. If it was useful or useless - I don't know. But anyway. Isn't it possible to also develop hardware collaboratively? [...] Hi Lothar, nope this won't fly. It's basically the sw pov approach to hw development Steve mentioned in one of his current posts. I may read his post... Developing hw is more than creating a good looking schematics in Eagle, and tasks like layout are partially done by autorouter and the other half is a *close* *interactive* process between the layout gal, the EE guys, the RF guys, the ME dept, sourcing dept etc etc. It is indeed difficult. But otoh are many hw projects (http://opencores.org/ or http://opencollector.org/ for sample), or at least hw related. IIRC OM had some really nasty experience when outsourcing some layout task. Just because the layout didn't understand exactly what EE had in mind when creating the schem, and EE didn't closely check the work of layouters. I don't speak about outsourcing. I have made similar experiences with outsourcing: An EE project (motor control) should be outsourced, but the schematics were sent by faximile! The result was about writing an application to compare the netlists to compare the then distinct projects (different wire names and the like). So don't split any EE project or work with different versions without a CVS or SVN! But giving development boards or mobile phone development kits would be an option to broaden the idea behind open mobile phone. Say, a GSM kit could be used for the carPC hobby engineer. And there are really GSM modules sold by other companies. (http://www.gsm-modem.de/ ) Then you have the control about your pcb design, but propably broaden your product palette. Not all developers need a complete telephone. But you could indeed get more value if the 'components' of a mobile device also spread the globe - as a development kit or separately. for your Q about project files instead of pdf: OM is making money by selling hw, so there's not much sense in publishing data that doesn't help EE guys in community to understand the hw but instead is only needed for production purposes. In the end you can't do anything on a single-device basis with layout or schem proj data you couldn't do without it. Or are you the guy who's etching 8-layer at home and soldering uBGA by hand? ;-) You can't patch a ready-done 8layer PCB, no matter what your document files are (sw POV on hw!). And no company is going to invest in producing some dozen proto PCB done by anonymous community guys, without checking each and every trace and footprint again what in the end for sure is more work than doing it inhouse from scratch. I don't mean that you grab the prototypes blindly for your use. But didn't you think, the comunity will also help in hardware aspects? Maybe the devkit could be coubled with a contest, who develops the best mod or addon. Or as an early preview for developers of software (the display discussion for sample: Touchscreen Capacitive (was Re: OT: iPhone howto)). Did someone yet really implemented drivers for a multitouch display? Wouldn't it good to get one preassembled from OM to develop for it? Therefore a kit would be good. Also selling kits for parts only. Gerald: It is worth to publish the private post :-) Other companies tend to keep schematics closed to protect their IP, so we at OM at least don't want to give asian cloners a kickstart without adding *any* benefit for our customers. Do you really think, they don't get any value just from the PDF version? Time will tell us this. Other companies think about using the same idea behind open source for hardware. It's because of one big issue today: The technologie changes so fast, that individual development is too expensive. Opencores as mentioned above is impressing me. Another group is going similar steps in automotive. Even yet closed and membership is propably very expensive, But there is movement in how to develop technical products. Lothar -- | Rapid Prototyping | XSLT Codegeneration | http://www.lollisoft.de Lothar Behrens Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 73252 Lenningen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Slashdotted
Am 05.04.2009 um 21:00 schrieb Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller: Hi Lothar, Jörg, Sean, Steve, and all others who are interested in a future GTA03, [snip] * funding of the project organization (e.g. we can set up a community funds or society or association or however the legal form has to be choosen). Funding levels could start at 5€ per year for students and go upwards for individuals and companies. And special services (e.g. managing the production of 100 customized units) could even provide more funding for the organization. And indeed we fund with the purchase of our phones. I mostly played with the navit package and done some bug reports. It's a hobby and thus it would also move someone to fund in comunity sub projects when there is a way of hand on soldering and the like. Also I played with the CAD files, wrote a script to convert some of them, that costs me about 1 day. It is a fund. The idea behind that was to make the CAD files available in more formats and thus propably push private case mods. A word to all those who think Hardware can not be developed by a community should take a look at: http://www.amsat.org/ Building, launching and operating not only 1 but approx. 50 satellites in the past 30 years is definitively more complex than building an open smartphone. Hmm. Then open source projects were not the first movements in the spirit of openess :-) This is a great sample. Here are some links about mobile equipment resellers: TFT displays: http://www.cartft.com/catalog/gl/111 USB display http://www.cartft.com/catalog/il/1057 carPC site (german): http://www.car-pc.info/ A link to books about building car PC's (linked in the carPC site): http://www.amazon.de/dp/0071468269?tag=cartftcom-21camp=1410creative=6378linkCode=as1creativeASIN=0071468269adid=044B8W2G03ATQDZ5ECZK; This is unrelated but there are always people who build their own :-) Lothar -- | Rapid Prototyping | XSLT Codegeneration | http://www.lollisoft.de Lothar Behrens Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 73252 Lenningen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Interesting gadget for navit application and a feature enabler (was Re: Slashdotted)
Just to mention here, also found at the car TFT site (GNS FM9 TMC receiver (miniUSB) *neu*): http://www.cartft.com/catalog/il/1016 This may be interesting for the navit project. Lothar ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Slashdotted
list at openmoko.org to get this started. We don't let the press in the glue we can't manage this. Beat them :-) -- | Rapid Prototyping | XSLT Codegeneration | http://www.lollisoft.de Lothar Behrens Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 73252 Lenningen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FatFingerShell vt with fullscreen keyboard
Hi, nice idea. Is it coupled only with a shell or could I use it for other applications? And do activation of it with the accelerometers. Also the idea with the overlay would be great. Still see what the application behint shows while entering commands. So for any applications, if the focus is on a control that requires the keyboard, shaking the neo would activate the overlay keyboard at the actual control... Then each application could benefit from it. Thanks and I'll try it if I have time. Lothar Am 27.03.2009 um 08:03 schrieb Rafael Ignacio Zurita: Hello people, it is a new virtual terminal for Openmoko, with a complete fullscreen keyboard and sound. You can set the colors and the transparency, set new keyboard layouts (hard yet) and replace the sounds. This terminal should be useful for bash/vi and other common console tools. The fullscreen keyboard should be comfortable for fat fingers. Check the videos to know the idea : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qR4FETGzkA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f67HKAkx61w How to test: - download the package: http://fz.hobby-site.org/om/fatfingershell/fatfingershell_0.1.tar.gz - install libsdl, libsdl_mixer, libsdl_ttf packages - add export TERM=vt100 into ~/.bashrc - you need installed bash tar xvzf fatfingershell_0.1.tar.gz cd fatfingershell/ ./fatfingershell.sh If you have problems check fatfingershell.sh script to realize out how to run this version manually. The package is an alpha version to check how well the ideas work. There are bugs, and lot of problems surely. The package and the source code have a README file with known problems, TODO list and other instructions. Other files: README: http://fz.hobby-site.org/om/fatfingershell/README.txt source code: http://fz.hobby-site.org/om/fatfingershell/fatfingershell-src_0.1.tar.gz Feedback, suggestions and ideas are welcome. Saludos!, Rafa -- Rafael Ignacio Zurita Buenos Aires, Argentina ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- | Rapid Prototyping | XSLT Codegeneration | http://www.lollisoft.de Lothar Behrens Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 73252 Lenningen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Lack of structured information
About all the discussion about documentation and searching them, what about using a knowledge management system ? If I do a search for 'api sleep' in the Openmoko wiki, I get 9 search results, If I search for 'api wakeup' I get 5 results. If I search for 'acpi' I get 3 results. All these seem not to bring up what I search for. Why ? I probably have searched with the wrong words. For me this may simply lack of knowledge if sysfs has any relation to the information about power management (especially where the device is currently powered from). But it may be related. With a knowledge system you would propably get a list of related keywords + short descriptions what is handled there. Then I do not need to read all the found articles to spot those who are really related to my search. So how about using a knowledge management system to link information semantically ? There is no need to put all the documentation in it, but each visitor who might found a relation not in the knowledge base system could add one linking in the article to the related content even it is not in the openmoko wiki. Each link may be weighted by a voting system thus it will increase the quality of the link - if that is possible with any knowledge management system. Lothar -- | Rapid Prototyping | XSLT Codegeneration | http://www.lollisoft.de Lothar Behrens Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 73252 Lenningen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
OT: iPhone howto
I came across this nice video: http://www.bikinirama.de/img/user/Videos/BIKINIRAMA_iPhone_011_3224.mov Have fun :-) Lothar -- | Rapid Prototyping | XSLT Codegeneration | http://www.lollisoft.de Lothar Behrens Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 73252 Lenningen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GPS emergency call standards
Even if the GPS location is not actually got, the phone software in that case could activate GPS automatically. When GPS has a fix the app could assist in taking another call or, if no reaction of the user do it automatically. Navit could be used to locate the city and street near the location and this could be spd-say'ed. The human in danger then only has to accept to do the followup call, nothing more. In case all is fine he/she could dismiss. Doing all the combination of locating and navit, will help in the typical situation one isn't really in the position to 'think' about what to tell to the operator. There are several articles and at least one I have read or have seen about doing emergency calls in carcrash for sample with the car - GPS application. Would that help ? Lothar Am 24.02.2009 um 15:30 schrieb Pander: Tilman Baumann wrote: Am 24.02.2009 um 12:38 schrieb Helge Hafting: Tilman Baumann wrote: Hi, I'm just wondering if there are any open standards for emergency services for location. I'm thinking about services like http://www.steiger-stiftung.de (European, websites in other languages should be available) A SMS to the respective emergency (112, 911) number containing the GPS position could be a start, but then someone has to read it. I would guess there is a standard for a computer readable format. Building a emergency call app would be a nice thing to have. PS: According to Wikipedia, 112 works on all GSM networks no matter if the number is a emergency number in tie state. If you have the gps coordinates, just tell them over the phone as you make the call. They will use it if they have gps eqipment, which is likely. As log as you are able to do so. I'm more thinking about something like a machine readable side channel paralel to a regular emergency call. BTW. the German ADAC is completely helpless if you provide them GPS coordinates. Automating this seems dangerous in that your SMS to the emergency service is delayed by a few minutes as the phone struggle to get the first fix. When you talk, you can fall back on other descriptions of the place (addresses, road names) if coordinates aren't available. Depends, when a GPS fix is made it will be much more precise and quicker. And there seems to be a standard for cars to make automatic emergency calls on accidents. It is called eCall and no technical information is to be found... :) The notification part sending data can be reused with/from http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Anti-Theft_Mode Uploading GSM cell info, GPS coordinates, USB IDs, voice recordings, etc. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- | Rapid Prototyping | XSLT Codegeneration | http://www.lollisoft.de Lothar Behrens Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 73252 Lenningen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OT: iPhone howto
I think, the following page explains more about the video's they produce. http://it-republik.de/zonen/portale/psecom,id,99,news,39646,.html Sorry german. They state about the consum and the advertising of the companies to consume more and more. (A mobile phone is out dated after 1-2 years) So after that time you *may* do the same with your device, if the company doesn't offer any useful upgrade or the like. In contrast to this, openmoko gives us the opportunity to keep using the phone. This is simply because we have access to the software and even to the hardware. We don't need to trash our phone into the bin, because we got a new one, it's open so we can reuse it for what ever (servo remote control, remoko, navigation only, ...) I had fun with that video, because I am not that fan of iPhone, it's closed, you only could develop in intel based Mac OS X - as my last information. An advertisement could point that out by visually 'cite' that video and state, our phone is even usable if retired :-) Lothar Am 24.02.2009 um 18:31 schrieb fla...@correo.ugr.es: I came across this nice video: http://www.bikinirama.de/img/user/Videos/BIKINIRAMA_iPhone_011_3224.mov Have fun :-) Lothar What was that about? I don't understand the narrator. The only thing that comes my mind is: JAILBREAKING. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- | Rapid Prototyping | XSLT Codegeneration | http://www.lollisoft.de Lothar Behrens Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 73252 Lenningen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OT: iPhone howto
This is the translation about what they want to 'tell'. http://de.babelfish.yahoo.com/translate_url?doit=donett=urlintl=1fr=bf-hometrurl=http%3A%2F%2Fav.rds.yahoo.com%2F_ylt%3DA0geulgzOaRJk0AAbjqTLaMX%3B_ylu%3DX3oDMTBvdmM3bGlxBHBndANhdl93ZWJfcmVzdWx0BHNlYwNzcg--%2FSIG%3D12lm9u62v%2FEXP%3D1235585715%2F**http%253a%2F%2Fit-republik.de%2Fzonen%2Fportale%2Fpsecom%2Cid%2C99%2Cnews%2C39646%2C.htmllp=de_enbtnTrUrl=Übersetzen Am 24.02.2009 um 16:23 schrieb Lothar Behrens: I came across this nice video: http://www.bikinirama.de/img/user/Videos/BIKINIRAMA_iPhone_011_3224.mov Have fun :-) Lothar -- | Rapid Prototyping | XSLT Codegeneration | http://www.lollisoft.de Lothar Behrens Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 73252 Lenningen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- | Rapid Prototyping | XSLT Codegeneration | http://www.lollisoft.de Lothar Behrens Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 73252 Lenningen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Speech dispatcher output to bluetooth (navit) ?
See below... Am 15.02.2009 um 22:45 schrieb Rask Ingemann Lambertsen: On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 09:38:41PM +0100, Lothar Behrens wrote: Has no one got the output of speech-dispatcher into a bouetooth headset ? Using mplayer -ao alsa:device=bluetooth works, but not spd-say. It always comes out of the speaker. What does the speech-dispatcher documentation say about selecting a sound card for output? I havent found anyting usefull in the documentation or in the configuration files. Also try some of the stuff from the wiki: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_1973_audio_subsystem#Driver_Status_3 Specifically these: http://wiki.openmoko.org/images/3/3d/Btcpu_gta02.state.txt http://handheldshell.com/bluetooth_pcm http://opensource.wolfsonmicro.com/~gg/bluetooth-pcm/bluetooth_pcm.c Usage would be something like this: $ alsactl restore -f Btcpu_gta02.state.txt $ ./bluetooth_pcm [play some sound here] using 'spd-say Hello' doesn't plays anything on my BT device. $ killall bluetooth_pcm Here it plays again on the internal speaker. The interesting controls of the state file are these: 20 'Sidetone Capture Volume' - 0 (increase as needed). 64 'Capture Right Mux' - 'Sidetone' to route playback mixer sound into right ADC. 66 'Capture Right Mixer' - 'Analogue Mix Right' to record right channel from right ADC. 67 'Capture Left Mixer' - 'Analogue Mix Right' to record left channel also from right ADC. 68 'Playback Mixer Voice Capture Sw' - false to not mix GSM output into the sidetone. 69 'Playback Mixer Left Capture Swi' - true to mix left output into the sidetone. 70 'Playback Mixer Right Capture Sw' - true to mix right output into the sidetone. (Maybe look at control 22 'Capture Volume' too?) Are the settings for the state file above working for you playing 'spd- say Hello' without modifying the contents from that link ? After looking into the code, is there a need for modifying the device respect to my neo ? This is because I call the following python script before I start mplayer with bt support. #!/usr/bin/python import dbus bus = dbus.SystemBus() manager = dbus.Interface(bus.get_object('org.bluez', '/org/bluez'), 'org.bluez.Manager') conn = manager.ActivateService('audio') audio = dbus.Interface(bus.get_object(conn, '/org/bluez/audio'), 'org.bluez.audio.Manager') path = audio.CreateDevice('00:1D:82:04:AA:40') audio.ChangeDefaultDevice(path) print path sink = dbus.Interface(bus.get_object(conn, path), 'org.bluez.audio.Sink') sink.Connect() Lothar -- | Rapid Prototyping | XSLT Codegeneration | http://www.lollisoft.de Lothar Behrens Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 73252 Lenningen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Someone stole my Neo Freerunner... :(
Hi, sorry for you all that lost your phone, stolen or lost anyhow by being careless. I also had lost a phone, but not my FR :-) I read the thread, and think about my contract. I have no gprs as of my old phone didn't let me opening web or wap pages. I have some questions and ideas that are in my brain :-) Is there any way to use analog modem connections ? I don't know how much CPU power is needed but when possible a phone could send more data to a dedicated number we could provide for that. If a real modem connection couldn't be used, what about creating a tone modulation for the data to be send as a 'spoken' message to be send back to a number as a voice recorder. The voice recorder then (a Linux PC :-) could decode the data and store the data. All the data could be collected on a web service to probably get the bad guys behind to give that information to the police. The web service also could provide information about stolen devices, thus when a phone gets any wlan connection, it could check for stolen state. This is not that spoof able I think, because the web sevice may be as usual password protected. But the server could provide sms, mms or phone gateways for fallback options. More gateways could be provided by us. The new gateway information could be uploaded by interacting with the user (software updates :-) If a phone didn't have gprs, sms, mms, or wlan, sending prepared 'data voices' would be an option. It didn't need to send much at first to get an answer about the stolen state in that way. I think the recorded data could be decoded in both directions, you don't need much cpu power, because it will be unidirectional, or let the 'protocol' enough time between packed sent and anser packets for decoding. Doing an active voice call may save us the cost of callbacks or sending back sms. With a proper longtime protocol with long pauses or a better solution a lot could be done. Usually you could activate this when the sim card get's changed without any notice to the user. He should still use the phone a while to collect information. We then could start a preinstalled application to authenticate the sim card change. If not options are many. The PIN entry of the normal card could be replaced by the PIN you provide. The user then wouldn't realize it, but claims to enter the correct, we simply accept, but start the timer for the above actions. Or we leave the user in claim that the documentation of it's sim card provider doesn't seem to be correct and he/she must issue a call with the service provider. At that point, the service provider couldn't help for that special phone. The new 'user' HAS to contact the manufacturer and so on you probably get your phone back, because the manufacturer should request for sending back the phone. Getting the state of stolen, the phone could anyway send a message to a police station near the user with spd-say, after the 'anti-theft' server has located the next police station's telephone number with any of the above options sent back to the phone. (Maybe with manual data entry of the phone numbers by us users with POI collection, hehe tangoGPS :-) That way the phone could help actively. Not only 'data voices' could be sent. Also the collected wlan, phone towers, GPS, voice, phone numbers and what else could help to locate the guys behind, as the phones will walk up to the key guys before it would reselled. (Where they all are located would be very nice POI data) With that data, we could help the police. A note about the attack to people currently having your phone: They may not know, that they have a stolen phone, thus you get to be a 'criminal' and beware, you may also get reatacked by the person :-) Giving the police the collected data, would propably help much more. What about all my stupid brain stuff ? Discuss about the possibilities - even stupid ideas as the old 'acustic coupler'. You don't really need all the modern GPRS stuff :-) If that is possible also the cost of operation is not very high I think - even you change your card (you know to start a separate unlocker) Lothar -- | Rapid Prototyping | XSLT Codegeneration | http://www.lollisoft.de Lothar Behrens Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 73252 Lenningen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Speech dispatcher output to bluetooth (navit) ?
Has no one got the output of speech-dispatcher into a bouetooth headset ? Using mplayer -ao alsa:device=bluetooth works, but not spd-say. It always comes out of the speaker. When I use espeak -w file, the file comes with rubbish - or too fast. I assume it is not 44100. Also doing so takes a while more to be transformed and may not well suited for navit. Even when I take my working mplayer script that automatically connects to the bluetooth device, it seems to be required to explicitly using -ao alsa:device=bluetooth to get bluetooth working. Without that the sound comes from the internal speaker. Is it right that then speech-dispatcher must be modified to support bluetooth device ? Thanks Lothar Am 19.01.2009 um 20:55 schrieb Lothar Behrens: Hi, as of the success of Jabra BT3030 I thought how to let speech dispatcher talk to the bluetooth device too. But I didn't found anything in the documentation and the output modules in the speechd.conf file does not seem to be able to. Is there any way to redirect the output other than with a temporary file ? My experience to play /opt/Qtopia/sounds/alarm.wav with mplayer takes about 12 secs to play these short three beeps. That is to much time (ok I do an scp job, but that may be the cpu load simulation :-) Using that in a script in combination with spd-say would probably not working for navit. It would be great to use Jabra BT3030 for navit too :-) Any ideas ? Thanks Lothar -- | Rapid Prototyping | XSLT Codegeneration | http://www.lollisoft.de Lothar Behrens Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 73252 Lenningen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- | Rapid Prototyping | XSLT Codegeneration | http://www.lollisoft.de Lothar Behrens Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 73252 Lenningen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
mencoder converts, but no sound ?
Hi, I am trying to convert a recorded VDR video with mencoder, but my FR gives no sound. Playing mp3 files works. Here is the command that I have from another post: mencoder $1 -ovc lavc -lavcopts vcodec=mpeg4:vhq:vbitrate=300 -vf scale=320:240,eq2=1.2:0.5:-0.25,rotate=2 -oac mp3lame -ofps 15 - lameopts br=64:cbr -o $2 What am I doing wrong ? Thanks Lothar -- | Rapid Prototyping | XSLT Codegeneration | http://www.lollisoft.de Lothar Behrens Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 73252 Lenningen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: mencoder converts, but no sound ?
I have used a special version with qlamo support. That version probably does not support sound ?? Now I am using the orginal version (2008.12) with the fbdev parameter instead. It is ok now. I have some breakouts that may come from mplayer, but also may from memcoder. (I have a DVB-T USB stick) Also I have a little bad signal strength. So it may mencoder to be the cause for the breakout. I am collecting the logs of mencoder. But in general, sound is available (using bluetooth). All that streamed over WLAN from my VDR server :-) FR is cool. Lothar Am 21.01.2009 um 20:41 schrieb Leonti Bielski: What does mplayer says (in command line) about this while playing? Leonti On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 3:03 PM, Lothar Behrens lothar.behr...@lollisoft.de wrote: Hi, I am trying to convert a recorded VDR video with mencoder, but my FR gives no sound. Playing mp3 files works. Here is the command that I have from another post: mencoder $1 -ovc lavc -lavcopts vcodec=mpeg4:vhq:vbitrate=300 -vf scale=320:240,eq2=1.2:0.5:-0.25,rotate=2 -oac mp3lame -ofps 15 - lameopts br=64:cbr -o $2 What am I doing wrong ? Thanks Lothar -- | Rapid Prototyping | XSLT Codegeneration | http:// www.lollisoft.de Lothar Behrens Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 73252 Lenningen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- | Rapid Prototyping | XSLT Codegeneration | http://www.lollisoft.de Lothar Behrens Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 73252 Lenningen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [2008.12] Pause mplayer on call ?
I don't know if -19 is pause and -18 may be resume. That may be the how. But I don't know the when (the triggering of the kill command). I know that qpe is the 'server' that handles the stuff, but I don't know yet how to 'connect' to the events. On Frameworkd there are some yaml files. Are there similar things for 2008.12 ? Lothar Am 21.01.2009 um 20:57 schrieb Sander: Michal Brzozowski wrote (ao): 2009/1/20 Dylan Reilly [1]drei...@atariland.net Pausing mplayer is probably going to be problematic without re-writing it. Firstly, you would have to run it in slave mode so that you could write to the process using a pipe. How about pausing and starting on a signal? No need to read from a pipe. Probably a simple hack would do it. You kan kill it with -19 to pause and -18 to resume. Would that help? With kind regards, Sander -- Humilis IT Services and Solutions http://www.humilis.net -- | Rapid Prototyping | XSLT Codegeneration | http://www.lollisoft.de Lothar Behrens Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 73252 Lenningen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[2008.12] Pause mplayer on call ?
Hi, I have played a bit with mplayer, with has great sount from my BT3030 :-) But is there any way to pause mplayer when there is a call coming in (qpe) ? I currently do not use any GUI for it, so mplayer may only killed with any usefull signal to pause. Then how to restart it again. This is not only to mute the music, but also to propably safe cpu time while the call - especially when mplayer is reniced to -19. I had a look into the qpe config file, but I have noting got out of it to enable such a scenario. Are there any event's I could attent on instead tweaking any application ? Thanks Lothar -- | Rapid Prototyping | XSLT Codegeneration | http://www.lollisoft.de Lothar Behrens Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 73252 Lenningen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
How to scramble a playlist ?
Hi, I have seen two applications that could scramble text files. http://www.vanheusden.com/unsort/ and http://ch.tudelft.nl/~arthur/rl/ Is anyone on a similar solution to port it onto OpenMoko ? Or are there shellscript solutions ? Thanks Lothar -- | Rapid Prototyping | XSLT Codegeneration | http://www.lollisoft.de Lothar Behrens Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 73252 Lenningen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How to scramble a playlist ?
Great, that works. Now I have a random jukebox with just one click (with a desktop file). Lothar Here is my script to get it working onto my bluetooth device: #!/bin/sh killall -SIGQUIT mplayer /home/root/setup-bluetooth-audio.sh rm playlist-sorted.m3u rm playlist.m3u find /media/card/Musik -name *.mp3 /home/root/playlist-sorted.m3u /home/root/scramble.py /home/root/playlist-sorted.m3u /home/root/ playlist.m3u mplayer -ao alsa:device=bluetooth -playlist /home/root/playlist.m3u #mplayer -ao alsa:device=bluetooth http://yp.shoutcast.com/sbin/tunein-station.pls?id=2408 sleep 3 renice -19 `ps ax | grep mplayer | grep -Ev grep|Unknown | awk -- 'BEGIN {}{ print $1;}'` setup-bluetooth-audio.sh: #!/bin/sh # Your device export DEVICE=XX:XX:XX:XX:XX:XX /etc/init.d/bluetooth stop /etc/init.d/bluetooth start sleep 1 passkey-agent --default sleep 1 echo Create bonding dbus-send --system --type=method_call --print-reply --dest=org.bluez / org/bluez/hci0 org.bluez.Adapter.CreateBonding string sleep 1 echo Activating service audio dbus-send --system --print-reply --dest=org.bluez /org/bluez org.bluez.Manager.ActivateService string:audio sleep 1 echo Creating device dbus-send --system --type=method_call --print-reply --dest=org.bluez / org/bluez/audio org.bluez.audio.Manager.CreateDevice sleep 1 echo Connecting sink dbus-send --system --type=method_call --print-reply --dest=org.bluez / org/bluez/audio/device0 org.bluez.audio.Sink.Connec Am 20.01.2009 um 22:09 schrieb e...@ericanddebbie.com: Here's a way to do it in python: #!/usr/bin/env python import sys, random filename = sys.argv[1] a = open(filename).read().strip().split(\n) random.shuffle(a) for i in a: print i If you're not famililar with shell stuff: Save that to a file like scramble and then do: python scramble myfile You can just type scramble myfile after you've done chmod +x scramble Probably you want to redirect the list into a file: python scramble myplaylist.txt /tmp/shuffledplaylist.txt or you can add python code to accept another argument for an outfilename and write the file -- with a check to make sure you're not overwriting an existing file (don't want you to overwrite your playlist on accident :) Eric ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- | Rapid Prototyping | XSLT Codegeneration | http://www.lollisoft.de Lothar Behrens Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 73252 Lenningen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Jabra BT3030 experience anywhere ?
Hi, Am 19.01.2009 um 02:11 schrieb Steven King: snip the sequence was something like: ~# opkg install bluez-audio blue-util I currently have FDOM. Is there a difference in package name or is it not available there ? ~#opkg list | grep bluez bluez-hcidump - 1.38-r0 - Linux Bluetooth Stack HCI Debugger Tool. bluez-hcidump-dbg - 1.38-r0 - Linux Bluetooth Stack HCI Debugger Tool. bluez-hcidump-dev - 1.38-r0 - Linux Bluetooth Stack HCI Debugger Tool. bluez-hcidump-doc - 1.38-r0 - Linux Bluetooth Stack HCI Debugger Tool. bluez-utils - 3.23-r4 - Linux Bluetooth Stack Userland Utilities. * bluez-utils-alsa - 3.23-r2 - Linux Bluetooth Stack Userland Utilities. bluez-utils-alsa-dbg - 3.23-r2 - Linux Bluetooth Stack Userland Utilities. bluez-utils-alsa-dev - 3.23-r2 - Linux Bluetooth Stack Userland Utilities. bluez-utils-compat - 3.23-r4 - Linux Bluetooth Stack Userland Utilities. bluez-utils-dbg - 3.23-r4 - Linux Bluetooth Stack Userland Utilities. bluez-utils-dev - 3.23-r4 - Linux Bluetooth Stack Userland Utilities. bluez-utils-doc - 3.23-r4 - Linux Bluetooth Stack Userland Utilities. bluez-utils-gst - 3.23-r4 - Linux Bluetooth Stack Userland Utilities. bluez-utils-gst-dbg - 3.23-r4 - Linux Bluetooth Stack Userland Utilities. I tried the marked one on my last installation, but no success (FSO image milestone 4.1). Also in the feature comparsion table of the distributions, FSO marks bluetooth as not working. Is that outdated information, or true (as I have at least seen my BT3030) ? Thanks Lothar -- | Rapid Prototyping | XSLT Codegeneration | http://www.lollisoft.de Lothar Behrens Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 73252 Lenningen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Jabra BT3030 experience anywhere ?
Just a note: I have no success on FDOM at the stage: ~#dbus-send --system --type=method_call --print-reply -- dest=org.bluez /org/bluez/audio org.bluez.audio.Manager.CreateDevice string:XX:XX:XX:XX:XX:XX Error org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.UnknownMethod: Method CreateDevice with signature s on interface org.bluez.audio.Manager doesn't exist I have installed bluez-utils-alsa, but that may not be the cause. Ill try 2008.12 now. Lothar ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Jabra BT3030 experience anywhere ?
Hi, now I have got the Jabra BT3030 working. Excelent sound, no crushing noices as experienced with my Mac OS X :-) I also have successfully tested connection with a second phone to test incoming calls. I'll hear a ring and I could accept and speak. Once the mplayer didn't come back with sound. I'll figure out the cause if I have time. Restarting helped to solve. The installation steps, Steven has explained, are correct, but on the 2008.12 are some packages not installed. I am using mplayer. And there is a working description as of post from Glen at 29. Dezember 2008 04:27:48 MEZ. There was only an issue with the libgcc library that was too old, thus sdl couldn't be installed, what mplayer caused to be not startable. (At least today) After installing the following package, sdl was installable and mplayer would work. http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/feeds/2008/ipk/glibc/armv4t/base/libgcc1_4.2.4-r5.1_armv4t.ipk Also missing is the bluez-utils-alsa package. Mplayer couldn't find These are my packets: r...@om-gta02:~# opkg list_installed | grep blue bluez-audio - 3.33-r3 - bluez-hcidump - 1.42-r0 - bluez-utils - 3.33-r3 - bluez-utils-alsa - 3.33-r3 - bluez-utils-compat - 3.33-r3 - kernel-module-bluetooth - 3:2.6.24+gitr76014+fb42ce6724576fc173faf8abfb04aa2c36d213b7-r2.01 - libbluetooth2 - 3.33-r0 - The other packages are as reported from Glen. Here is my script to use the headset. (The bluetooth device must be activated, or added as a line): #!/bin/sh export DEVICE=XX:XX:XX:XX:XX:XX /etc/init.d/bluetooth stop /etc/init.d/bluetooth start sleep 1 passkey-agent --default sleep 1 echo Create bonding dbus-send --system --type=method_call --print-reply --dest=org.bluez / org/bluez/hci0 org.bluez.Adapter.CreateBonding string:$DEVICE sleep 1 echo Activating service audio dbus-send --system --print-reply --dest=org.bluez /org/bluez org.bluez.Manager.ActivateService string:audio sleep 1 echo Creating device dbus-send --system --type=method_call --print-reply --dest=org.bluez / org/bluez/audio org.bluez.audio.Manager.CreateDevice string:$DEVICE sleep 1 echo Connecting sink dbus-send --system --type=method_call --print-reply --dest=org.bluez / org/bluez/audio/device0 org.bluez.audio.Sink.Connect To use the bluetooth audio device, the player has to started with the correct parameters. Have fun - I have :-) Lothar -- | Rapid Prototyping | XSLT Codegeneration | http://www.lollisoft.de Lothar Behrens Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 73252 Lenningen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Jabra BT3030 experience anywhere ?
I have choosen this to have one script and not another for bonding to be issued before. If the bonding is done, the output of that command could simply ignored. There are other samples for passkey gathering. I had no luck with the GUI (python, import gtk) because of propably missing python libraries. The best solution would be calling the GUI version of a passkey when there is no bonding. Also there are issues with the media player that are have to passed special parameters not always required (if no bt device is in the field). I suggest a config file written by the passkey agent that a bluetooth device should be used, then in the mplayer start scripts I posted some time ago desicions could be made how to output the sound. OTOH the sound system should do that, not the player :-) BTW, that BT device and an FM transmitter would be quite a good car handsfree installation. Using a 2 Ampere car USB adapter, also charging is no more an issue and the BT device could charged too :-) Lothar Am 19.01.2009 um 14:49 schrieb arne anka: passkey-agent, ie pairing, should be necessary only the first time using a bt device (except you removed the cache, by flashing or deleting, of course). can somebody, please, put these steps in the wiki? if two people got a jawbone working with these steps, it is obviously far better than anything else posted yet. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- | Rapid Prototyping | XSLT Codegeneration | http://www.lollisoft.de Lothar Behrens Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 73252 Lenningen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Speech dispatcher output to bluetooth (navit) ?
Hi, as of the success of Jabra BT3030 I thought how to let speech dispatcher talk to the bluetooth device too. But I didn't found anything in the documentation and the output modules in the speechd.conf file does not seem to be able to. Is there any way to redirect the output other than with a temporary file ? My experience to play /opt/Qtopia/sounds/alarm.wav with mplayer takes about 12 secs to play these short three beeps. That is to much time (ok I do an scp job, but that may be the cpu load simulation :-) Using that in a script in combination with spd-say would probably not working for navit. It would be great to use Jabra BT3030 for navit too :-) Any ideas ? Thanks Lothar -- | Rapid Prototyping | XSLT Codegeneration | http://www.lollisoft.de Lothar Behrens Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 73252 Lenningen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Playlist generator for mplayer or other players ?
I know, there is one, but ... I didn't find it again :-( Please help. Thanks Lothar -- | Rapid Prototyping | XSLT Codegeneration | http://www.lollisoft.de Lothar Behrens Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 73252 Lenningen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Playlist generator for mplayer or other players ?
Ohh, I have read some similar for Windows, but thought it will be wrong for Linux. Thanks, that simple. Lothar Am 19.01.2009 um 21:48 schrieb Greg Bonett: try: 'find [directory with music] playlist.m3u' I know, there is one, but ... I didn't find it again :-( Please help. Thanks Lothar -- | Rapid Prototyping | XSLT Codegeneration | http:// www.lollisoft.de Lothar Behrens Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 73252 Lenningen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- | Rapid Prototyping | XSLT Codegeneration | http://www.lollisoft.de Lothar Behrens Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 73252 Lenningen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Jabra BT3030 experience anywhere ?
Hi, I like to know if someone has used this bluetooth stereo headset and how the steps are to got it running. Also I like to know what distributions are actually having a fully functional bluetooth. I have had FSO image milestone 4.1 that at least was able to see the headset when scanning but I was not able to do the bonding steps with the dbus command line samples, that I do not find today (link). With that samples and the passkey-agent --default I only got error messages that tell me there is no reply to the dbus command. Removing the --print-replay didn't helped anyway. Also I tried some python scripts that did not work due to a missing import (gtk). Where is the related module ? I didn't found any with opkg list | grep gtk. There are some, but I don't know what to install. Any hints therefore ? BTW, I updated my FSO image milestone 4.1 yesterday and got a brick :-) There is an issue with the touch screen driver that doesn't function anymore. If someone updates, please capture the output for review here (I haven't done it :-) If there is any success with that pice I will know it. I'll test another phone image today if I have time. Thanks Lothar -- | Rapid Prototyping | XSLT Codegeneration | http://www.lollisoft.de Lothar Behrens Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 73252 Lenningen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
TomTom Carcharger reported to just work and other car charger issues ...
Hi, today I have read about the car charger compatibility List that TomTom car charger (4N00.007) will just work. http://www.1a-handyshop.de/kfzladekabel-miniusb-1224v-tomtom-live-live-live-4n7-original-tomtom-p-89928.html http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_charger So I wonder, that tomtom includes a car charger in the package as other do and openmoko didn't do so. Why does openmoko did not sell one after it has proven to work to give a warranty ? Wouldn't that stop all these car charger postings ? Another option would be universal car to USB (A) charger like this: http://www.handhirn.de/kfz-ladeadapter-fuer-usb-kabel-2-ampere-a1106.html?ref=shopinfo Another idea would be an adapter (USB (A) female to USB (A) male) that contains a switch to activate the ID resistor or simply with that resistor. I think, this adapter will be very cheap and could be packaged with the FR using such an 2A Kfz USB adapter. Another adapter seems to not fit into my cigarette jack (Hama USB-Kfz- Ladegerät 'Pico'). At least not in my Volvo V40 :-) http://www.hama.de/portal/searchSelectedProduct*NO/articleId*166923/action*2563/searchMode*1/bySearch*00014094 It may fit in other cars, but the adapter form doesn't look like a cigarette plug. There may be similar in other countries. Lothar -- | Rapid Prototyping | XSLT Codegeneration | http://www.lollisoft.de Lothar Behrens Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 73252 Lenningen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
About the BRLCAD files I have created some time ago ...
Hi, I wondered why there is no link to the BRLCAD files I have created and then located at the following page: http://controls.ae.gatech.edu/claus/web/openmoko.html I only found the page by searching the mailinglist about BRLCAD, but this is because I KNOW about the existence of these files. Wouldn't it be better to add a page with information more than only a list of files generated by the browser ? http://downloads.openmoko.org/CAD/ Then there could added more stuff like editing the files to create more stuff. Should I, am I allowed to do so ? Thanks Lothar -- | Rapid Prototyping | XSLT Codegeneration | http://www.lollisoft.de Lothar Behrens Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 73252 Lenningen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Dual touch display
Hi, if not yet posted: I have found a dual touch / multi touch input device for pens and fingers. It may be interesting, if GTA3 design not finished yet. But I don't know about availability :-) http://www.n-trig.com/Default.aspx Lothar -- | Rapid Prototyping | XSLT Codegeneration | http://www.lollisoft.de Lothar Behrens Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 73252 Lenningen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[FSO-image milestone 4.1 from 08.01.2009] fso-gpsd not startable ?
Hi, I have flashed the last FSO image from here: http://downloads.freesmartphone.org/fso-testing/images/om-gta02/openmoko-fso-image-glibc-ipk--20090108-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 After flashing, I have removed gpsd and installed fso-gpsd. After installing I get this error message when starting fso-gpsd: r...@om-gta02:~# /etc/init.d/fso-gpsd start Starting freesmartphone.org gpsd compatibility daemon: start-stop- daemon: invalid option -- P BusyBox v1.11.3 (2009-01-03 04:58:54 UTC) multi-call binary Usage: start-stop-daemon [OPTIONS] [-S|-K] ... [-- arguments...] (failed) The same comes up directly after the installation. Is there any workaround available ? Thanks Lothar -- | Rapid Prototyping | XSLT Codegeneration | http://www.lollisoft.de Lothar Behrens Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 73252 Lenningen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [FSO-image milestone 4.1 from 08.01.2009] fso-gpsd not startable ?
Thank you, that also worked for me. Is this 'bug' filed on freesmartphone's trac system ? Lothar Am 09.01.2009 um 12:57 schrieb BitKeeper: Hi, I edited /etc/init.d/fso-gps line 16 to be this. start-stop-daemon --start --exec /usr/sbin/fso-gpsd -- -S localhost:gpsd -- -P /var/run/${NAME}.pid It worked for me. Hope it helps. Bannon 2009/1/9 Lothar Behrens lothar.behr...@lollisoft.de Hi, I have flashed the last FSO image from here: http://downloads.freesmartphone.org/fso-testing/images/om-gta02/openmoko-fso-image-glibc-ipk--20090108-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 After flashing, I have removed gpsd and installed fso-gpsd. After installing I get this error message when starting fso-gpsd: r...@om-gta02:~# /etc/init.d/fso-gpsd start Starting freesmartphone.org gpsd compatibility daemon: start-stop- daemon: invalid option -- P BusyBox v1.11.3 (2009-01-03 04:58:54 UTC) multi-call binary Usage: start-stop-daemon [OPTIONS] [-S|-K] ... [-- arguments...] (failed) The same comes up directly after the installation. Is there any workaround available ? Thanks Lothar -- | Rapid Prototyping | XSLT Codegeneration | http://www.lollisoft.de Lothar Behrens Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 73252 Lenningen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- | Rapid Prototyping | XSLT Codegeneration | http://www.lollisoft.de Lothar Behrens Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 73252 Lenningen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Neo / FreeRunner 'stand'
Would it also be useful to add a jack for a standard power supply or things to plug a standard cigarette lightener cable ? I mean the doc could also to be used in a car. Therefore a well designed voltage regulator could be added to support a wider range of input voltage. Also a question: Did anybody know something about KICAD (ecad software) ? It has support for 3D parts, thus it will probably help to visualize a board design in 3D. What about the CAD drawings I sometime have posted in BRLCAD format ? Lothar Am 09.01.2009 um 13:20 schrieb Pander: This can be achieved in two phases, first make a stand, than make a dock with electronics. As soon as http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Specialized_USB_cables#How_to_make_a_USB_cable_for_powering_attached_USB_devices_and_charging_the_Neo_while_in_host_mode is available (as in for sale by some one), the stand can be upgraded to a dock. Christopher Friedt wrote: Hmm... This is all starting to sound surprisingly similar to a 'dock' ... Here's a question for the USB / Power experts out there: Assuming such a dock was constructed, that provided a powered USB hub, is it possible for the Neo to simulatneously 1) run in host usb mode, 2) control a USB peripheral, e.g. keyboard, and also 3) to charge the battery from the powered USB hub ? On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 4:35 AM, KaZeR ka...@altern.org wrote: I like the idea. Don't forget to include some place to stick an usb connector : i have a similar desktop stand for my p990 and it's really useful. -Message d'origine- De : community-boun...@lists.openmoko.org [mailto:community-boun...@lists.openmoko.org] De la part de Pander Envoyé : mardi 6 janvier 2009 18:55 À : Christopher Friedt; List for Openmoko community discussion Objet : Re: Neo / FreeRunner 'stand' I'm planning to make an open hardware design for something like this and have it manufactured by a 3D printer. Anyone can have it manufactured at a place like http://www.shapeways.com/ At the moment I'm waiting to get some help to get started, see http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-December/03 8598.html Christopher Friedt wrote: Wouldn't it be great to have a moulded plastic stand that would just clip into place on the back of the FreeRunner or Neo1973, so that you could rest it on a table in widescreen mode, and have it sit at a comfortable angle? Maybe it's a good 'extra' to include int the box for GTA03 :) Nokia has had a 'desk stand' on their internet tablets since the N770. In the mean time, I'm sure I can work out something using a small triangular piece of wood, crazy glue, a slice from my girlfriend's yoga mat, and velcro :) C ___ devel mailing list de...@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/devel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- | Rapid Prototyping | XSLT Codegeneration | http://www.lollisoft.de Lothar Behrens Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 73252 Lenningen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[FreeRunner / FSO] Still problems with getting a Fix (but not with agpsui) ?
Hi, I am still in trouble with getting GPS working properly. My installed image is FSO-image milestone 4.1 and I have replaced gpsd with fso-gpsd. Running fso-gpsd and trying to telnet localhost gpsd mostly fails to get a fix. Yesterday I seem to get better results. Zhone showed up at least two signals (not a fix) but today it failed. But today there is really a nice weather. Today I tried to install openmoko-agpsui to see the signal strength and - see a fix in less than two minutes (1.20 min) while holding the phone outside my window. That compared to zhone, I will guess fso-gpsd and the backend is very unstable in getting a fix compared to what openmoko-agpsui shows me. What makes there so much difference between openmoko-agpsui (running gllin as seen in console) and the zhone or fso-gpsd with telnet or even tangogps ? I read something about dropped GPS data by kernel. How to see them to get a feeling that this is the cause (docu / link) ? If that is not the problem, could I ignore fso-gpsd and set tangogps / navit to use gllin as an interim solution ? My signal strength inside the room 3 meters away from window is about (avg/current) 19/20, 28/27, 23/20, 25/25, 24/25 while holding FR in my hand. Sometimes a satellite gets lost but it comes back. Placing the phone on desk decreases the signal down to ~19. Then sometimes the satellites get lost. If I take it back in my hand, agpsui get's back a fix. This behaviour is well known to my conditions in my room. Are they ok as described (hardware / antenna quality) ? Any help is welcome. I will read the agpsui stuff to take a more scientific measurement :-) Where are the results of those measurements, if anyone has done that ? While all that, my Sandisk 16GB microSD card is mounted, issuing many ls command on it seems not to interfer the signal. Also WLAN is on. Thanks Lothar -- | Rapid Prototyping | XSLT Codegeneration | http://www.lollisoft.de Lothar Behrens Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 73252 Lenningen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Booting from large microSD (SDHC) [success]
As I have posted the output of fdisk I have the partition. I was able to create the partition and see it afterwards. So I agree with you that it may the u-boot and or kernel. Mine is 2.6.24. I think it's time for flashing :-) Lothar Am 21.12.2008 um 01:54 schrieb arne anka: I have rebooted after formatting /dev/mmcblk0 /dev/mmcblk0 is the raw device, you want /dev/mmcblk0p1. look at the output from fdisk ... if it is still not there, your u-boot/kernel might be too old. are there any messages at boot? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- | Rapid Prototyping | XSLT Codegeneration | http://www.lollisoft.de Lothar Behrens Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 73252 Lenningen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Question about a file I am not aware
Hi, I have got my new 16 GB SD card after waiting sometime and reading other success stories :-) Now I like to backup the data from my old SD card, but I don't know for what this file is for: /media/card/qtopia_db.sqlite What application sits on it to stop before making an backup, because it seems to be a sqlite database :-) Thanks Lothar -- | Rapid Prototyping | XSLT Codegeneration | http://www.lollisoft.de Lothar Behrens Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 73252 Lenningen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Booting from large microSD (SDHC) [success]
Hi, I have now also a 16 GB SD card (SanDisk/SDSDQ-016G-E11M) but I didn't get it run with my ASU 2008/9 from Tue, 16 Sep 2008 and uboot 1.3.2-moko12. Here is the problem: After fisrt boot I couldn't use fdisk, because it couldn't access anyhow. Then after another reboot I was able to do it. Here is my first partition: r...@om-gta02:~# fdisk /dev/mmcblk0 The number of cylinders for this disk is set to 1936. There is nothing wrong with that, but this is larger than 1024, and could in certain setups cause problems with: 1) software that runs at boot time (e.g., old versions of LILO) 2) booting and partitioning software from other OSs (e.g., DOS FDISK, OS/2 FDISK) Command (m for help): p Disk /dev/mmcblk0: 15.9 GB, 15931539456 bytes 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 1936 cylinders Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/mmcblk0p1 1 487 3911796 83 Linux Command (m for help): But I cannot mount it at /media/card because I haven't the device. Isn't that device created automatically ? How to create one (mknod, block type, but what mayor minor) ? Thanks Lothar Am 10.11.2008 um 23:27 schrieb Marian Flor: Am Montag, den 10.11.2008, 00:33 +0100 schrieb Lothar Behrens: I had some more look about other cards about 8GB, but if there are more users having success, I will buy this card. The iPhone and the N810 support 16GB microSD so why shouldn't the Openmoko? was my guess and so I gave it a try. Especially when the eaten MBR problem was only once a problem. Was it ? No. My MBR was never fragged (This would have been be fatal for me on the next morning. Of course I mean the _card's_ MBR ;-) ). The filesystem (ext2) got whacked by a suspend or unsynced halt command, so that fdisk did not recover upon boot. But I was able to fix the filesystem on the microSD by a manually fdisk from the other linux on the internal flash memory. Switching to ext3 may also help, but make sure that your sd card supports wear leveling. In the other case ext3 may shorten the lifecycle of the card. Also, mounting the microSD with -noatime should lower the stress (and extend the lifetime) of the card. Anyhow. It seems a good advice to keep a copy (printed or dd) of the microSD's MBR in a warm and dry place apart from your Freerunner. A kind closing note: Please place your answer _under_ the quoted text next time. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ#On_the_lists_on_lists.openmoko.org.2C_should_replies_be_added_above_or_below_the_original_text.3F regards, Marian ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- | Rapid Prototyping | XSLT Codegeneration | http://www.lollisoft.de Lothar Behrens Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 73252 Lenningen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Booting from large microSD (SDHC) [success]
That's done, but it doesn't create the device for partition 1. I have rebooted after formatting /dev/mmcblk0 I need to create the device nodes for the partitions before I can mount on it and I think I should then format these devices before I mount. Lothar Am 21.12.2008 um 00:54 schrieb arne anka: you need to format! mke2fs is your friend. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- | Rapid Prototyping | XSLT Codegeneration | http://www.lollisoft.de Lothar Behrens Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 73252 Lenningen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
gpspipe format
Hi, I want to use a script to generate gpx formatted traces. How must I convert the data taken from gpspipe ? Thanks Lothar -- | Rapid Prototyping | XSLT Codegeneration | http://www.lollisoft.de Lothar Behrens Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 73252 Lenningen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Navit city search ?
Hi, has someone an example of searching a city and a street that works with the germany map when it was downloaded from the quicklink as of the page here lists: http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/OpenStreetMaps ? Or why can I only enter capital letters, but on bookmarks also non capital letters ? Or is there any description how the internal GUI (for FR) should behave if it works (some screenshots) ? Thanks Lothar -- | Rapid Prototyping | XSLT Codegeneration | http://www.lollisoft.de Lothar Behrens Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 73252 Lenningen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Navit city search ?
Yes, I have found it too. If someone has interest, I am currently create an XSLT template to extract the relevant data of villages / cities and streets with their lon / lat coordinates. If I have it I try to setup a database to be a possible base for searching :-) Lothar Am 17.12.2008 um 17:51 schrieb Tilman Baumann: Lothar Behrens wrote: Hi, has someone an example of searching a city and a street that works with the germany map when it was downloaded from the quicklink as of the page here lists: http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/OpenStreetMaps ? http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/OpenStreetMaps#Search_doesn.27t_work_in_most_countries and following... -- Drucken Sie diese Mail bitte nur auf Recyclingpapier aus. Please print this mail only on recycled paper. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- | Rapid Prototyping | XSLT Codegeneration | http://www.lollisoft.de Lothar Behrens Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 73252 Lenningen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Acustic 'empty battery warning' ?
Hmm, using the clock to wake me up in the morning would be an option to check the battery. It even wakes up, or boots, if I have shut down the phone :-) If the clock is not at a really alarm time (to wake me up :-), it could configure the next wakeup to check the battery. Is that a solution if PMU doesn't support us with another solution ? Lothar Am 17.12.2008 um 13:35 schrieb William Kenworthy: Doesnt it already do that - I know that in the middle of the night I used to get regularly awakened by a sht sound from the Fr as the battery ran out - oh wait, you mean before ... :) Its actually a good idea - I use a couple of perl scripts to flash the leds in various colours/rates to indicate charge. Doesnt help when shut down though. Perhaps a cron job to wake every hour and check the charge, then go back to sleep? Does cron work on the FR these days? BillK On Wed, 2008-12-17 at 14:16 +0200, Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote: Lothar Behrens lothar.behr...@lollisoft.de writes: Is there a way to do this ? while true; do if [ `capacity` -lt 10 ]; then alert fi sleep 120 done Is there also a way when the device is in suspend mode, to wakeup and do this warning ? I'm guessing yes but I do not know the PMU stuff well. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- William Kenworthy bi...@iinet.net.au Home in Perth! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- | Rapid Prototyping | XSLT Codegeneration | http://www.lollisoft.de Lothar Behrens Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 73252 Lenningen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Acustic 'empty battery warning' ?
Am 17.12.2008 um 13:16 schrieb Timo Juhani Lindfors: Lothar Behrens lothar.behr...@lollisoft.de writes: Is there a way to do this ? while true; do if [ `capacity` -lt 10 ]; then alert fi sleep 120 done this is a starting point :-) Is there also a way when the device is in suspend mode, to wakeup and do this warning ? I'm guessing yes but I do not know the PMU stuff well. Is there any documentation for PMU ? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- | Rapid Prototyping | XSLT Codegeneration | http://www.lollisoft.de Lothar Behrens Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 73252 Lenningen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Acustic 'empty battery warning' ?
Hi, I am asking me if it is not possible to get an acustic 'empty battery' warning some time before my phone really get's down. Is there a way to do this ? Is there also a way when the device is in suspend mode, to wakeup and do this warning ? Hope there is a solution. Other mobile phones do this :-) Thanks Lothar -- | Rapid Prototyping | XSLT Codegeneration | http://www.lollisoft.de Lothar Behrens Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 73252 Lenningen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Navit city search ?
Hi, I have got a basic database and was able to fill it with a map area of about 2.7 MB data. But this is very less compared to germany with about 3.5 GB. So when trying to get the database out of germany xsltproc gets killed due to memory problems. I currently only have 1 GB :-) The processing should be tailored into smaller regions. But about the data and the search: I think I would do search that way: 1.) Find the villages and its lon / lat by a SQL query by given first characters entered (minimum = 3). 2.) Find all streetnames by given first characters entered (minimum = 3). 3.) Display streets to villages sorted by distance If the data is in the database, this should be very fast. Then, when the user selects a street, it's position could be used to center the display to. Is this practical ? Lothar Am 17.12.2008 um 19:53 schrieb Lothar Behrens: Yes, I have found it too. If someone has interest, I am currently create an XSLT template to extract the relevant data of villages / cities and streets with their lon / lat coordinates. If I have it I try to setup a database to be a possible base for searching :-) Lothar Am 17.12.2008 um 17:51 schrieb Tilman Baumann: Lothar Behrens wrote: Hi, has someone an example of searching a city and a street that works with the germany map when it was downloaded from the quicklink as of the page here lists: http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/OpenStreetMaps ? http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/OpenStreetMaps#Search_doesn.27t_work_in_most_countries and following... -- Drucken Sie diese Mail bitte nur auf Recyclingpapier aus. Please print this mail only on recycled paper. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- | Rapid Prototyping | XSLT Codegeneration | http://www.lollisoft.de Lothar Behrens Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 73252 Lenningen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- | Rapid Prototyping | XSLT Codegeneration | http://www.lollisoft.de Lothar Behrens Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 73252 Lenningen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Acustic 'empty battery warning' ?
It's only an idea. Indeed I currently have ASU 2008/9. Lothar Am 18.12.2008 um 01:10 schrieb W.Kenworthy: What distro? - clock doesnt work on 2008.9 through to the current testing. BillK On Wed, 2008-12-17 at 14:12 +0100, Lothar Behrens wrote: Hmm, using the clock to wake me up in the morning would be an option to check the battery. It even wakes up, or boots, if I have shut down the phone :-) If the clock is not at a really alarm time (to wake me up :-), it could configure the next wakeup to check the battery. Is that a solution if PMU doesn't support us with another solution ? Lothar Am 17.12.2008 um 13:35 schrieb William Kenworthy: Doesnt it already do that - I know that in the middle of the night I used to get regularly awakened by a sht sound from the Fr as the battery ran out - oh wait, you mean before ... :) Its actually a good idea - I use a couple of perl scripts to flash the leds in various colours/rates to indicate charge. Doesnt help when shut down though. Perhaps a cron job to wake every hour and check the charge, then go back to sleep? Does cron work on the FR these days? BillK On Wed, 2008-12-17 at 14:16 +0200, Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote: Lothar Behrens lothar.behr...@lollisoft.de writes: Is there a way to do this ? while true; do if [ `capacity` -lt 10 ]; then alert fi sleep 120 done Is there also a way when the device is in suspend mode, to wakeup and do this warning ? I'm guessing yes but I do not know the PMU stuff well. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- William Kenworthy bi...@iinet.net.au Home in Perth! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- | Rapid Prototyping | XSLT Codegeneration | http:// www.lollisoft.de Lothar Behrens Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 73252 Lenningen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- | Rapid Prototyping | XSLT Codegeneration | http://www.lollisoft.de Lothar Behrens Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 73252 Lenningen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Navit and espeak trouble
Hi, I think I have figured out why navit sometimes seems to hang (except it calculates big routes). After killing my last navit session I have seen espeak still running, but it did not say anithing :-) Is this a known problem ? I am currently using ASU 2008/8 with a timestamp at 16, Nov 2008. Navit is the latest 0.1.0 release. Lothar -- | Rapid Prototyping | XSLT Codegeneration | http://www.lollisoft.de Lothar Behrens Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 73252 Lenningen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Navit actions menu layout ?
Hi, today I have installed the current release from navit and it looks much better. But I have a question about the layout of the buttons in the actions panel. How to change the layout from horizontal to vertical ? The problem: I do not see all of the buttons :-( Thanks Lothar -- | Rapid Prototyping | XSLT Codegeneration | http://www.lollisoft.de Lothar Behrens Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 73252 Lenningen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Navit actions menu layout ?
Yes, there is a + on bottom right, a - on bottom left, a compas on top left and a eta on top right as I activated them. The plain map display is mostly ok (the info picture in the bottom left may be a bit bigger to easier see it :-) Am 14.12.2008 um 14:59 schrieb KaZeR: Yorick Moko a écrit : i did that but i get: r...@om-gta02 ~ $ DISPLAY=:0 navit navit:convert_to_attrs:failed to create attribute 'icons_xs' with value '60' vehicle_gpsd:vehicle_gpsd_try_open:Connected to gpsd fd=4 iochan=0x8a078 watch=0x2 navit:main:Using '/home/root/.navit/navit.xml' and see no buttons (except for the zoom in and out button, but when i press the top of the screen i do get into a settings-screen) Using internal gui, it's intended to have no buttons when you are viewing the map, in order to use most space for the map. Touching the map should bring you a black screen with 3 buttons : actions, settings and tools, each one with an icon. Does that work for you? It works, but what I mean, is, these are partly out of screen: *=* | | | | ** ** ** || || || || || || ** ** ** | | | | | | ** ** ** || || || || || || ** ** ** | | | | *=* Can these buttons moved by configuration ? BTW, I now have tested the navigation with my car. It works reasonable good. But some crashes - while speaking I think - stops navit to work. I need a simulation car. Could I create such a car by getting the calculated route ? I haven't activated tracking for my car definition in my last test :-( Thanks Lothar ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- | Rapid Prototyping | XSLT Codegeneration | http://www.lollisoft.de Lothar Behrens Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 73252 Lenningen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Booting from large microSD (SDHC) [success]
Thanks, I had some more look about other cards about 8GB, but if there are more users having success, I will buy this card. Especially when the eaten MBR problem was only once a problem. Was it ? Thanks Lothar Am 08.11.2008 um 12:47 schrieb Marian Flor: Hello list members, here another FR success story: Booting and usage of a large 16GB SDHC works! My configuration and recipe: - QtExtend on flash - Debian on microSD (ext2+ext2) [1] - u-boot daily (8 Nov 2008) from [2] - Applied configure-uboot.sh from [3] - Kernel for Debian from [4] (but the kernel should not matter) - microSD card: Vendor: SanDisk Model: SDSDQ-016G-E11M Size: 16GB Speed: Class2 With this configuration I encountered first this error (output from minicom, /dev/ttyACM0) when I tried to boot directly (i.e. just pressed power on the FR): --- 8 --- snip --- Card Type: SD 2.0 SDHC Manufacturer: 0x03, OEM SD Product name: SU16G, revision 8.0 Serial number: 2684394330 Manufacturing date: 8/2008 MMC/SD size:3MiB cmd 0x10, arg 0x200 flags 0x15 Error after cmd: 0xfffc cmd 0x11, arg 0x0 flags 0x235 Error after cmd: 0xfffc bad MBR sector signature 0x ** Bad partition 1 ** Wrong Image Format for bootm command ERROR: can't get kernel image! --- 8 --- snap --- Note that mmcinit reports a false size [5]. Booting manually from that point worked well: --- 8 --- snip --- GTA02v6 # boot Card Type: SD 2.0 SDHC Manufacturer: 0x03, OEM SD Product name: SU16G, revision 8.0 Serial number: 2684394330 Manufacturing date: 8/2008 MMC/SD size:3MiB 1939024 bytes read ## Booting kernel from Legacy Image at 3200 ... Image Name: Openmoko Freerunner Kernel Created: 2008-10-03 15:57:45 UTC Image Type: ARM Linux Kernel Image (uncompressed) Data Size:1938960 Bytes = 1at MB Load Address: 30008000 Entry Point: 30008000 Verifying Checksum ... OK --- 8 --- snap --- Then I modified the configure-uboot.sh, entered some idle time to let the SDHC card settle after mmcinit and applied configure-uboot.sh again to the FR: --- 8 --- snip --- --- configure-uboot.sh 2008-08-15 16:01:06.0 +0200 +++ configure-uboot-delay.sh2008-11-08 11:36:20.0 +0100 @@ -37,6 +37,7 @@ ${bootargs_base} ${mtdparts} rootfstype=ext2 root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 rootdelay=5; mmcinit; + sleep 2; ext2load mmc 1 0x3200 ${sd_image_name}; bootm 0x3200 --- 8 --- snap --- Two seconds settle time is suitable for all boot situations (warm and cold boot, powered by usb or on battery). Tested. Works. :-D Note: There is still an issue with the suspend mode [6]. But my MBR was not eaten (until now ;-) ). I was able to fix a mangled filesystem on the card with a fsck.ext2 -y /dev/mmcblk0p2 after booting the Linux from flash. Enjoy! Greetings from switzerland, Marian [1] http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnFreeRunner [2] http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/gta02v5_and_up-u-boot.bin [3] http://pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org/freerunner/configure-uboot.sh [4] http://moko.mwester.net/dl.html#kernels [5] https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1815 [6] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_from_SD#Booting_from_SDHC_.2F_suspend_problems ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- | Rapid Prototyping | XSLT Codegeneration | http://www.lollisoft.de Lothar Behrens Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 73252 Lenningen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Navit questions...
Hi, now I have played around a little with navit and tried to reduce the recalculation when speed is under 4. It's my assumption that a walk is at last about 5 km/h, thus I added some lines of code to handle this case. But before I am really do too much that propably has been done I would ask here. The speed that triggers a recalculation of the displayed map is about more as 2. Should this be done a little bit more ? Or could it be done by a 'lowpass' that increases the trigger about half the average speed (three or four times measured) if the average is more than the result of the increase ? The decrease should be done similar (about some below the average). This will reduce the amount of recalculations a lot I think. A question beside. I want to try my changes on my FreeRunner for a live test: How to get changes into the MokoMakefile built of navit. Should I create a patch to be applied in a prebuild step ? I have seen several directories per user that do something I don't understand yet. Any further help out there ? Another idea: What about a real voice, recorded from someone to replace the synthetic voice ? (There are not so much combinations I think) Thanks Lothar Am 19.10.2008 um 04:57 schrieb Marco Trevisan (Treviño): KaZeR wrote: (i finally ordered and received a Freerunner :) ) Nice, are you a navit dev? I guess you are (especially looking at your site)... :P Lothar Behrens a écrit : Hi, I got installed navit and after some tries I got the correct germany.bin file by downloading it with a wget -O germany.bin ... quicklink. For a brief feedback: Very good ! Thanks :) I do agree... I've but changed a little the (gtk) interface to make it fit better to the openmoko, and I've to increase the cursor size (not so easy to see while driving! If navit needs to calculate a big route, isn't it good to display a hint window or a status message instead leaving the user unknown and let even the whole GUI stay blocked like with a message box when tapping on the screen and let the calculations done in a background thread ? This issue has been around for some time : http://trac.navit-project.org/ticket/15 It used to work, then was removed because code was changed, and it hasn't been reimplemented yet. I'm waiting for this too It seems that this comes also into play when the position is changed, thus a recalculation would propably triggered ? If you go outside of the planned route, a new route is computed, yes Well, in my experience it is recalculated but too late imho. Maybe the voice sinthetizer says it but while driving it's not easy to heard my freerunner (the speaker is to low to be heard in the traffic or if I'm listening some music), while often I've to force the refresh from the interface. I am also a programmer, but this seems to be a untrivial issue for a newbie for that code. If you're willing to help, feel free to contact me or join #navit on freenode. You will get there all the help you should need :) Nice. I'd like also to ask you a thing about the SDL interface... I've not tried to compile it in my toolchain/OE build due to the fact that I had no time to port/compile the missing libraries, but would it work well in the Freerunner (that has not 3d hardware acceleration)? -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- | Rapid Prototyping | XSLT Codegeneration | http://www.lollisoft.de Lothar Behrens Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 73252 Lenningen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Development environment suggestion ?
I had the same idea but not yet asked here, because the ability to try it on older Linux versions would normally fail. My problem is exactly the problem that my box is too old and more work to upgrade to a newer version. What about qemu to be used ? How fast is virtualbox compared to qemu ? Lothar Am 27.09.2008 um 21:45 schrieb Andreas Wallin: Hello community lists ! I just read the mail call for community action I would make som suggestions for making developing openmoko software more easy. Why not create some virtual machines with all compilingtools and needed software installed to get ready for bugfixing/developing openmoko softwares. This may be virtualbox images.. Nothing fancy, just ubuntu with toolchain, maybe even a ready eclipse version. Publish this by torrents, Maybe even with good to go software used during development. I spent lots of time before i got a working environment to develop/ debug my openmoko in. greetings ! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- | Rapid Prototyping | XSLT Codegeneration | http://www.lollisoft.de Lothar Behrens Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 73252 Lenningen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: CAD conversion and editing
Hi Michael, as Claus has posted, the files are currently located here: http://controls.ae.gatech.edu/claus/web/openmoko.html Lothar Am 25.09.2008 um 19:44 schrieb Michael Shiloh: Lothar Behrens wrote: Hi, I have converted as much as possible from the CAD files into BRLCAD files. Propably I have forgotten to tell Michael Shiloh where the converted files are. (As of I had eMail contact to him) Hi Lothar, Yes, tell me where the files are, and we'll gladly host them on downloads.openmoko.org. Michael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- | Rapid Prototyping | XSLT Codegeneration | http://www.lollisoft.de Lothar Behrens Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 73252 Lenningen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: CAD conversion and editing
Hi, I have converted as much as possible from the CAD files into BRLCAD files. Propably I have forgotten to tell Michael Shiloh where the converted files are. (As of I had eMail contact to him) Also I am not much familar with the BRL CAD and I also could not compare the files to their orginal versions. Where could I put the tgz file that contains all the others (~ 16 MB) ? The file also contains a script. (How I have converted the igs files) Regards, Lothar Am 24.09.2008 um 16:09 schrieb Claus Christmann: Please see inline and below... On Wednesday 24 September 2008 08:59:12 am Breakable wrote: Hi, Anybody got any success for editing CAD files for the phone case? Basically I am trying to get them open in brlcad (which seems to be the best free CAD software ever), without any success yet. I had some success in VariCad demo (proprietary) where parts of the design are imported using STEP format, but it does not seem good enough, as I see about 50% of the shapes usually. IGES on the other hand seems like a total dissaster. The IGES files I created seemed to work in Pro/E and CATIA V5. Can you figure out if the files are corrupted or if it is a non-working import filter in brlcad that does not work? Have you tried opening a single file and not the complete assembly? The only solution I currently see is buying or pirating the Pro/ ENGINEER to edit or convert them to brlcad .g format using the Pro/E to BRLCAD converter plugin for Pro/ENGINEER from the brlcad suite. Buying or pirating for this task is not the option I like. Anybody that has a Pro/ENGINEER license can assist with that? There is a nice description how to do it in http://brlcad.org/w/images/6/66/Converting_Geometry.pdf in section 4.9 page 27 of pdf. I have access to a Pro/E licencense and can look into that. However, it won't happen till the weekend... After this is done properly, maybe the BRLCAD to DXF converter can be used to improve accessibility of design files for those that have AutoCad. DXF is essentially a 2D format. Since there is no conversion from 3D to 2D that does not lose information, a usefull conversion heavily depends on the need of the user of those 2D DXF files. IF the list could agree on a limited number of planes/slices through the 3D model I might be willing to put the time into creating them. If this issue wont be resolved I don't believe a community effort to build on the openness of the device will ever succeed. Regards, Ignas As said above, I will look into this brlcad over the weekend and look into the conversion of the files into the appropriate format. However, I can't promise anything... (BTW, I have never heard of brlcad, but I also hardly use anything else than CATIA these days...) Regards, Claus -- Claus Christmann Graduate Research Assistant Georgia Institute of Technology 270 Ferst Drive Atlanta, GA 30332-0150, USA http://uav.ae.gatech.edu ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- | Rapid Prototyping | XSLT Codegeneration | http://www.lollisoft.de Lothar Behrens Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 73252 Lenningen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: CAD conversion and editing
83 92!Ñ8892-90092 \03498492\034. 92!·,... q = (char **) 0x0 term = (void (*)()) 0 #15 0x1d54 in start () System characteristics: Darwin mac.behrens.de 9.0.0 Darwin Kernel Version 9.0.0: Tue Oct 9 21:37:58 PDT 2007; root:xnu-1228~1/RELEASE_PPC Power Macintosh powerpc Am 24.09.2008 um 16:58 schrieb Lothar Behrens: Hi, I have converted as much as possible from the CAD files into BRLCAD files. Propably I have forgotten to tell Michael Shiloh where the converted files are. (As of I had eMail contact to him) Also I am not much familar with the BRL CAD and I also could not compare the files to their orginal versions. Where could I put the tgz file that contains all the others (~ 16 MB) ? The file also contains a script. (How I have converted the igs files) Regards, Lothar Am 24.09.2008 um 16:09 schrieb Claus Christmann: Please see inline and below... On Wednesday 24 September 2008 08:59:12 am Breakable wrote: Hi, Anybody got any success for editing CAD files for the phone case? Basically I am trying to get them open in brlcad (which seems to be the best free CAD software ever), without any success yet. I had some success in VariCad demo (proprietary) where parts of the design are imported using STEP format, but it does not seem good enough, as I see about 50% of the shapes usually. IGES on the other hand seems like a total dissaster. The IGES files I created seemed to work in Pro/E and CATIA V5. Can you figure out if the files are corrupted or if it is a non-working import filter in brlcad that does not work? Have you tried opening a single file and not the complete assembly? The only solution I currently see is buying or pirating the Pro/ ENGINEER to edit or convert them to brlcad .g format using the Pro/E to BRLCAD converter plugin for Pro/ENGINEER from the brlcad suite. Buying or pirating for this task is not the option I like. Anybody that has a Pro/ENGINEER license can assist with that? There is a nice description how to do it in http://brlcad.org/w/images/6/66/Converting_Geometry.pdf in section 4.9 page 27 of pdf. I have access to a Pro/E licencense and can look into that. However, it won't happen till the weekend... After this is done properly, maybe the BRLCAD to DXF converter can be used to improve accessibility of design files for those that have AutoCad. DXF is essentially a 2D format. Since there is no conversion from 3D to 2D that does not lose information, a usefull conversion heavily depends on the need of the user of those 2D DXF files. IF the list could agree on a limited number of planes/slices through the 3D model I might be willing to put the time into creating them. If this issue wont be resolved I don't believe a community effort to build on the openness of the device will ever succeed. Regards, Ignas As said above, I will look into this brlcad over the weekend and look into the conversion of the files into the appropriate format. However, I can't promise anything... (BTW, I have never heard of brlcad, but I also hardly use anything else than CATIA these days...) Regards, Claus -- Claus Christmann Graduate Research Assistant Georgia Institute of Technology 270 Ferst Drive Atlanta, GA 30332-0150, USA http://uav.ae.gatech.edu ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- | Rapid Prototyping | XSLT Codegeneration | http://www.lollisoft.de Lothar Behrens Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 73252 Lenningen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- | Rapid Prototyping | XSLT Codegeneration | http://www.lollisoft.de Lothar Behrens Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 73252 Lenningen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Neo FreeRunner / Om 2008 - 8: WLAN problem
Hi, I have always the problem, when WLAN starts, that I do not get configured /etc/resolv.conf automatically. Are there any tips around that helps this problem to get fixed ? Thanks, Lothar -- | Rapid Prototyping | XSLT Codegeneration | http://www.lollisoft.de Lothar Behrens Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 73252 Lenningen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Neo FreeRunner / Om 2008 - 8: No sound, can't use phone to take phone calls
Hi, yesterday I have installed a the Asu Stable built at Tue, 16 Sep 2008 08:25:15 +0800. The version seems to look very nice, but I cannot hear me on the phone. Are there any notes I have to read before using this version ? Also the audio subsystem seems not to be available as of reportings os mplayer trying to play a song. Any hints are welcome. Thanks Lothar -- | Rapid Prototyping | XSLT Codegeneration | http://www.lollisoft.de Lothar Behrens Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 73252 Lenningen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Neo FreeRunner / Om 2008 - 8: WLAN problem
Am 17.09.2008 um 12:25 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Does this[1] work? [1]http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wifi#Using_the_GUI_on_2008.8 After connecting using the GUI, you may also need to run udhcpc eth0 manually in the terminal to get DNS entries added to your resolv.conf. You may also need to run ifdown usb0 to remove the routing issue caused by having both interfaces up at the same time. I have seen documentation on howto make manually the changes in resolv.conf out of the wpa_supplicatnt script. but this would be the better line of code to be insertted into that file :-) Maybe this is a note for the wiki page ? Thanks Lothar Hi, I have always the problem, when WLAN starts, that I do not get configured /etc/resolv.conf automatically. Are there any tips around that helps this problem to get fixed ? Thanks, Lothar -- | Rapid Prototyping | XSLT Codegeneration | http:// www.lollisoft.de Lothar Behrens Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 73252 Lenningen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- | Rapid Prototyping | XSLT Codegeneration | http://www.lollisoft.de Lothar Behrens Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 73252 Lenningen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Neo FreeRunner / Om 2008 - 8: WLAN problem
Am 17.09.2008 um 12:57 schrieb Lothar Behrens: Am 17.09.2008 um 12:25 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Does this[1] work? [1]http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wifi#Using_the_GUI_on_2008.8 After connecting using the GUI, you may also need to run udhcpc eth0 manually in the terminal to get DNS entries added to your resolv.conf. You may also need to run ifdown usb0 to remove the routing issue caused by having both interfaces up at the same time. I have seen documentation on howto make manually the changes in resolv.conf out of the wpa_supplicatnt script. but this would be the better line of code to be insertted into that file :-) Maybe this is a note for the wiki page ? The command seems to be better in /etc/network/interfaces :-) Sample I have tested with # ifdown eth0 ifup eth0 # Wireless interfaces iface wlan0 inet dhcp udhcpc eth0 wireless_mode managed wireless_essid any Lothar Thanks Lothar Hi, I have always the problem, when WLAN starts, that I do not get configured /etc/resolv.conf automatically. Are there any tips around that helps this problem to get fixed ? Thanks, Lothar -- | Rapid Prototyping | XSLT Codegeneration | http://www.lollisoft.de Lothar Behrens Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 73252 Lenningen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- | Rapid Prototyping | XSLT Codegeneration | http://www.lollisoft.de Lothar Behrens Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 73252 Lenningen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- | Rapid Prototyping | XSLT Codegeneration | http://www.lollisoft.de Lothar Behrens Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 73252 Lenningen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Emergency call at boot time functionality (was Re: Windows CE on freerunner)
Am Samstag, den 23.08.2008, 10:42 +0200 schrieb Federico Lorenzi: On Sat, Aug 23, 2008 at 10:29 AM, Clemens Kirchgatterer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IIRC GSM audio can be routed directly through without using the CPU. Also if you had to program an emergency number before hand, you wouldn't need the display. I think, too, it should be possible to create a mini OS only for emergency calls. The number to be called could be passed as a poot parameter, thus the boot configuration may be modified by a setup application. A mini OS: Maybe any open OS that is fast booting (freeDOS ???) Configuring in a DOS partition would also be possible from Linux I think. Is this possible ? Lothar ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Configuring Today ?
Hi, I am trying to get a clock on my homepage, but following the instructions in the documentation for Today the following is the result: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# gconftool-2 --type bool --set /desktop/poky/interface/reduced false (gconftool-2:1648): GConf-WARNING **: Client failed to connect to the D-BUS daemon: dbus-launch failed to autolaunch D-Bus session: Autolaunch requested, but X11 support not compiled in. Cannot continue. Error setting value: No D-BUS daemon running [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# /etc/init.d/d /etc/init.d/dbus-1 /etc/init.d/devpts.sh /etc/init.d/devices/etc/init.d/dropbear [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# /etc/init.d/dbus-1 start system message bus already started; not starting. Starting system message bus: /usr/bin/dbus-daemon is already running 1308 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# I am running 2007.2 updated at 22.08.2008 Any ideas ? Thanks Lothar ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Emergency call at boot time functionality (was Re: Windows CE on freerunner)
Am 23.08.2008 um 11:15 schrieb robin paulson: I have talked about boot options. At this time there is no locking screen. Simply there should be a button to bypass the normal boot by pressing and go into an emergency mode. This way only 8 seconds may be remaining until a emergency call would be possible. Not 2 minutes. The unlock screen may have a top left area and a top right area. Right would be normal unlock and left maybe emergency call. You must have a lock, since otherwise you may accidantly issue an emergency call. the point i was making is that when people are in stressful situations they panic; even something as simple as selecting a different option at boot-time becomes difficult. the point about the screen lock was an example to illustrate my main point. there are many more i could have chosen, but picked one related to mobile phones The boot menu should in this case be ONLY an emergency button. Shown for about 3 seconds or the like, it could be pressed to bypass the normal boot sequence. If the button is not pressed the normal boot will occur. The uboot menu should not be used, because you have to press also the AUX button. This is unusual for the normal user thus they forgot about it. I have just pressed at the aux button from screen locked state. Is there a way to replace the usual 'buttons' by one 'Take Emergency call' or better an icon for it. The small dismiss button should stay at the mottom to go back into screen lock. This could then well documented. Also the power button could be used in paralell for the same issue. There is only a need to detect, that the phone was in screen lock mode. Lothar -- Lothar Behrens |Rapid Prototyping ... Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 |XSLT Codegeneration 73252 Lenningen |www.lollisoft.de ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Emergency call at boot time functionality (was Re: Windows CE on freerunner)
Am 22.08.2008 um 03:20 schrieb Vikas Saurabh: Totally agreed but it would still be fun have my own hello world program running. Can I have a HelloWorld named as uImage.bin and which can be loaded by uboot. Wait I would try that out myselfshould be interesting :) Hi, besides of WindowsCE and I don't like it on my phone for dayly use, I like to ask another question: There were some comments when booting Linux it take about 2-3 minutes. And the commentary was 'How to take an emergency call ?' Would such a specialized uImage.bin able to manage such an emergency call ? If so, why not developing such a secondary image and change the power on screen by adding an emergency button and let the user the change to do so ? I think, this is very important. Lothar -- Lothar Behrens |Rapid Prototyping ... Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 |XSLT Codegeneration 73252 Lenningen |www.lollisoft.de ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Emergency call at boot time functionality (was Re: Windows CE on freerunner)
Am Freitag, den 22.08.2008, 21:48 +1200 schrieb robin paulson: Lothar Behrens wrote: besides of WindowsCE and I don't like it on my phone for dayly use, I like to ask another question: There were some comments when booting Linux it take about 2-3 minutes. And the commentary was 'How to take an emergency call ?' Would such a specialized uImage.bin able to manage such an emergency call ? If so, why not developing such a secondary image and change the power on screen by adding an emergency button and let the user the change to do so ? I think, this is very important. it's a nice idea, something like the splashtop[1] BIOS used in asus motherboards? problem is, you're relying on people thinking clearly, being able to make good logical decisions and correctly choosing the environment to boot into on startup. unfortunately, this is the last thing most people can do in the sort of high-stress situation which typically demands an emergency call. if you study some mobiles, they are able to make emergency calls without unlocking the screen, because manufacturers realise people can't even manage that simple task when they panic, even something they may do 20 times a day [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Splashtop I have talked about boot options. At this time there is no locking screen. Simply there should be a button to bypass the normal boot by pressing and go into an emergency mode. This way only 8 seconds may be remaining until a emergency call would be possible. Not 2 minutes. The unlock screen may have a top left area and a top right area. Right would be normal unlock and left maybe emergency call. You must have a lock, since otherwise you may accidantly issue an emergency call. Lothar ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner CAD Files - IGES ans STEP formats availalbe - Who wants to test them?
Am Donnerstag, den 21.08.2008, 13:55 +0200 schrieb Lothar Behrens: Hi, just a note: I knew about another CAD software, that will convert IGES or ProE format and is Open Source. See this link for more information: http://brlcad.org/ Hi, I do currently convert these iges files into g files that could be read directly by mged of the BRL-CAD package. If someone is interested, I could upload a tgz file to anywhere if the conversion is ready. The CAD package also was compileable without any problems on my Debian Etch (PPC) Regards Lothar ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Compiling single package
Hi, after some tries to compile the complete distribution (2007.2) on my openSuSE 11.0, I must say that either my notebook has a hardware problem or openSuSE 11.0 is not as stable as my old 9.1 installation. It freezes after long time in screen saving mode while compiling (over night) It freezes while copying much data to my USB HDD. Does someone here has successfully compiled a distribution with openSuSE 11.0 ? The main question: Is it possible to start with mokomakefile only compiling navit ipk package, for sample (from scratch) ? Thanks Lothar ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Extended battery pack
Hi, this are very interesting resources. Has anyone had also the idea to create a 'docking station' that would propably also contains batteries ? I mean to dock it on the side with the USB connector having 2/3 of the openmoko FR device in negative form, so the FR could snap into the docking station. I would create a 3D sketch if it isn't done anywhere else. Lothar -- Lothar Behrens |Rapid Prototyping ... Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 |XSLT Codegeneration 73252 Lenningen |www.lollisoft.de ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner CAD Files - IGES ans STEP formats availalbe - Who wants to test them?
Hi, just a note: I knew about another CAD software, that will convert IGES or ProE format and is Open Source. See this link for more information: http://brlcad.org/ Regards Lothar -- Lothar Behrens |Rapid Prototyping ... Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 |XSLT Codegeneration 73252 Lenningen |www.lollisoft.de ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Try to install MokoMake on openSuSE 11 fails
Am Dienstag, den 19.08.2008, 09:30 +0930 schrieb Rod Whitby: Lothar Behrens wrote: The difference is that I am using openSuSE 11 instead of 10.3. Which (of the many, redundant, mostly out of date, non-executable) instructions did you use? Your subject says MokoMake (which I assume means MokoMakefile) but you talk below about manually installing bitbake (which the MokoMakefile does for you automatically). Yes, that was the documentation I used. I have read the note about using bitbake as I have to install it before. There was nothing about it does that for me :-) I'll give it a retry today. Thanks One package was not installable via Yast (help2man) = Downloaded orginal source tgz and built it. Ok Installing BitBake was also not possible via Yast. Downloaded the package from BerlinOS. Try http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoMakefile -- Rod ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community