Re: [Shr-User] [ANNOUNCE] eStarDict
Hello! I released the seventh version of eStarDict (http://www.vaudano.eu/wiki/en/estardict), it should arrive soon in the SHR staging feed. It's a major release with a lot of improvements, in particular: - Manage definitions in html format with colors and images ( see images http://www.vaudano.eu/wiki/en/estardictScreenshots#Definition ) - Improvements on performance ( see table http://www.vaudano.eu/wiki/en/estardictTestedDictionaries#Performance) - Rework suggested word mechanism manage diacritics - Unit test regression and performance ( up till 10 dictionaries ) Regards Luca ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Shr-User] [ANNOUNCE] eStarDict
Hi! I released the sixth version of eStarDict (http://www.vaudano.eu/wiki/en/estardict), it should arrive soon in the SHR staging feed. As usual, any feedback is welcome. Best regards Luca ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Shr-User] [ANNOUNCE] eStarDict
On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 12:16 PM, urodelo urodelomuta...@yahoo.com wrote: Hello Thank you very much. You're welcome Any comment is appreciated Regards Luca ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [ANNOUNCE] eStarDict
Hi! After long time, i released the fifth version of eStarDict. http://www.vaudano.eu/wiki/en/estardict There are a lot of changes the most important is that you can now search multiple dictionaries at once Best regards Luca ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] CLEANMARKER node found [and something more I can't read]
I didn't see instructions for using ubi images. I used these instructions http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/UBIFS#Alternative and it works well cheers ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [ANNOUNCE] eStarDict
Hi! I released the fourth version of eStarDict. http://www.vaudano.eu/wiki/en/estardict Best regards Luca ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [ANNOUNCE] eStarDict
wow... so efficient :) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [ANNOUNCE] eStarDict
Hi! I released the third version of eStarDict. I just sent the recipe to the SHR-devel mainling list, so I think that it will be available soon. In the wiki there are more info: http://www.vaudano.eu/wiki/en/estardict If you use it, let me know here: https://www.ohloh.net/p/estardict If you want to add your native language you can use this Launchpad page: https://translations.launchpad.net/estardict Have a nice day! Ciao Luca ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [ANNOUNCE] eStarDict
On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 9:32 PM, Mike Crash m...@mikecrash.com wrote: Hello, It works good with Longman dictionary, but I have tried with czech-english dictionary, but it doesn't works, it says incompatible dictionary (or something like that). But it seems like good stardict dictionary, or not? [1] http://packages.debian.org/sid/stardict-english-czech Hi now the czech-english dictionary should work. I remind you that my program, right now, can manage only one dictionary per instance, so I divided the debian package in two files, you can retrieve them here: http://www.vaudano.eu/wiki/en/estardictTestedDictionaries Best regards Luca ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [ANNOUNCE] eStarDict
On Sun, May 23, 2010 at 7:04 PM, urodelo urodelomuta...@yahoo.com wrote: Thanks, I'll try to see if it can be ported on stardict I tried to write a guide for creating a dictionary for starDict http://www.vaudano.eu/wiki/en/development#How_to_create_your_own_dictionaries I didn't try it :P I just collected the information from Internet. Any feedback is welcomed ciao ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [ANNOUNCE] eStarDict
On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 9:32 PM, Mike Crash m...@mikecrash.com wrote: Hello, Hi Mike for Debian users, estardict is packaged for Neo at this repository: deb http://www.gps-routes.info/debian sid main Thanks, I added the link in the eStarDict wiki page. It works good with Longman dictionary, but I have tried with czech-english dictionary [1], but it doesn't works, it says incompatible dictionary (or something like that). But it seems like good stardict dictionary, or not? [1] http://packages.debian.org/sid/stardict-english-czech Yes the engine of the eStarDict program, for now, considers only the most popular dictionary type. The dictionary, that you want to use, is formatted in a Pango markup. I'll try to add the Pango rendering in the next eStarDict version. Best regards, Luca ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [ANNOUNCE] eStarDict
On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 8:02 PM, Fabian Schoelzel fabian.schoel...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi, thanks for the tool, fast and easy to use. Now i only need some dictionaries. :) Where the hell can i find some? I thought - hey, dictionaries, there must be loads of in teh interwebs. But... i don't find any usable sites for search and download. Where do you guys get your dicionaries from? Thanks in advance, Fabian Hi Fabian, maybe the best link is http://xdxf.revdanica.com/down/index.php (Download option must be StarDict) Ciao Luca ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: MC Navi
Italy Car Thanks, great job!!! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [ANNOUNCE] eStarDict
Hi! I released the second version of eStarDict. I just sent the recipe to the SHR-devel mainling list, so I think that it will be available soon. In the wiki there are more info: http://www.vaudano.eu/wiki/en/estardict If you use it, let me know here: https://www.ohloh.net/p/estardict If you want to add your native language you can use this Launchpad page: https://translations.launchpad.net/estardict Have a nice day! Ciao Luca ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [ANNOUNCE] eStarDict
On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 12:26 AM, Xiangfu Liu xiangf...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Vaudano Luca we also work with the StarDict. I try to checkout the eStarDict source code but it's give me those error: $ svn co http://code.launchpad.net/estardict/trunk svn: Repository moved temporarily to 'https://code.launchpad.net/estardict/trunk'; please relocate $ svn co https://code.launchpad.net/estardict/trunk svn: Server sent unexpected return value (405 Method Not Allowed) in response to OPTIONS request for 'https://code.launchpad.net/estardict/trunk' we are using StarDict in ben NanoNote (http://www.qi-hardware.com) now it's work fine in NanoNote. just some error when quit the StarDict. also it's can display Chinese in NanoNote. some picutre: http://www.openmobilefree.net/?p=411 Hi! You got an error because this is a bazaar, not a svn repository, repository. By the way, all the instructions are here: http://www.vaudano.eu/wiki/en/estardictInstallation#Development_in_Ubuntu_Karmic I tried eStarDict with chinese charset and it works fine. If you need help for making it works on the Ben NanoNote, please ask me. If you success please post some screenshots :) Regards Luca ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[ANNOUNCE] eStarDict
Hi guys, I just release the first version of eStarDict, a offline dictionaries reader, for SHR, the babiloo-efl successor. http://www.vaudano.eu/wiki/en/estardict The big differences between eStarDict ( C ) with babiloo-efl ( Python ): 1) eStarDict doesn't support the sDictionary format 2) performance with the Longman dictionary (43.000 words) the loading time is: babiloo-efl 32 seconds eStarDict 2 seconds ( !!! ) Any comment on the application, source code and wiki is welcomed :) Ciao Luca ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[Community Updates] 2010-03-01 is out
Hello everybody, Recent Community Update is out. Take a look at News link in Community box on wiki pages to read it. For your convenience here is direct link: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/2010-03-01 and contribute to the new draft at: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/Draft_2010-04-01 Thanks to all contributors of this issue of CU: * Vanous * PaulWise * ZeusOne * Kukide * Abramo * Toams P.S. I don't know how update the 'Latest news' section in the Main Page ... :) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: MC Navi released
Yes I have belgium map :) if you want... On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 5:36 PM, Davide Scaini dsca...@gmail.com wrote: I uploaded it to: https://sourceforge.net/projects/mcnavimaps/files/ I think it's good... If someone is interested to share his nation's maps we can arrange to commit there... d ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: MC Navi released
On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 3:36 PM, Davide Scaini dsca...@gmail.com wrote: I built the map for Italy, if someone interested i'll find a way to share (if mike is interested I'll upload to his website) d Yes, I'm interested in it. Thanks! Did you install MC Navi on the SHR using http://3v8.net/~sander/openmoko/mcnavi_0.2.4-r0.4_armv4t.ipk? Does it work? ciao Luca ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: MC Navi released
Yes i tried that one... but i cannot zoom-unzoom nor set destination point in settings (i guess exists a panel like settings... ). It tooks me some hours to convert this map... I don't know where to place it, give me some hint please :P d How big is it? Megaupload, Rapidshare, Sendspace, ... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Shr-User] [Community Updates] 2010-01-14 released
Hello! A little note: the Openmoko homepage doesn't show this CU in the 'Latest news' section. Luca On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 6:40 PM, Patryk Benderz patryk.bend...@esp.pl wrote: Hello everybody, Recent Community Update is out. Take a look at News link in Community box on wiki pages to read it. For your convenience here is direct link: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/2010-01-14 and contribute to the new draft at: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/Draft_2010-01-28 Thanks to all contributors of this issue of CU: * PaulWise * Kichkasch * Multi * Baba melone * Vanous * Valos * Bt4 * Linuxxr * Deubeuliou -- Patryk LeadMan Benderz Linux Registered User #377521 () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments Email secured by Check Point ___ Shr-User mailing list shr-u...@lists.shr-project.org http://lists.shr-project.org/mailman/listinfo/shr-user ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Now someone REALLY has to help me!!
Hi, I said that I never had Android on my Freerunner so maybe it can cause some issue. But normally the installation on the internal memory it's very simple. Shortly: 1 Take the two files that you wrote in your email. They are fine: http://build.shr-project.org/shr-testing/images/om-gta02/full-om-gta02.jffs2 ( yes, Testing is more stable than unstable :) ) http://build.shr-project.org/shr-testing/images/om-gta02/uImage-om-gta02-latest.bin ( yes, only one file ) 2 Install DFU-utility software on a Ubuntu (I think you are using it) with this command from the shell: sudo aptitude install dfu-util 3 Enter in root mode in your desktop sudo -s 4 Connect the Neo to your computer via USB. 5 On your Neo: Press and hold AUX button Press the Power button until the boot menu comes up This menu is labelled *** BOOT MENU (NOR) *** http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Image:Menu15.jpg 6 Before this menu disappears, write in the desktop shell dfu-util -d 0x1d50:0x5119 -a kernel -R -D uImage-om-gta02-latest.bin 7 When finished., always in the desktop shell dfu-util -d 0x1d50:0x5119 -a rootfs -R -D full-om-gta02.jffs2 this operation takes time! 8 Finish! Now you can restart your Neo with SHR ciao Luca ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OT: Where can I meet a female companion with similar interests and personality /in person/?
Thanks Ben very useful for me! P.S. Maybe you never read this email :D ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: External blkid library not found
I saw the difference between the bitbake command and the command line command. From bitbake arm-oe-linux-gnueabi-pkg-config... /mnt/shr/shr-testing/tmp/staging/i686-linux/usr/bin/pkg-config from the command line (after the setup-env) checking for arm-oe-linux-gnueabi-pkg-config... /usr/bin/pkg-config, which is the correct one? and what can I do? Thanks regards Luca ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
External blkid library not found
Hello, I'm trying to compile a simple Elementary application against SHR-Testing with the bitbake system. I stuck on this error: http://lists.uclibc.org/pipermail/uclibc/2009-August/042875.html I installed libblkid-dev and uuid-dev packages but anything changed. Any hint? Thanks in advance Luca ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: External blkid library not found
No, I didn't. Now it's only DEPENDS = elementary. Thanks ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: External blkid library not found
My application doesn't depend directly on blkid. I don't get how you solve your problem in your buildhost. Thanks ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: External blkid library not found
Thanks, this evening at home, I will check it ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: External blkid library not found
Please check if that's the case (check/send that error - linker command). The log says: ../shr-testing/tmp/work/armv4t-oe-linux-gnueabi/e2fsprogs-libs-1.41.8-r0/e2fsprogs-libs-1.41.8/configure --build=i686-linux --host=arm-oe-linux-gnueabi --target=arm-oe-linux-gnueabi --prefix=/usr --exec_prefix=/usr --bindir=/usr/bin --sbindir=/usr/sbin --libexecdir=/usr/libexec --datadir=/usr/share --sysconfdir=/etc --sharedstatedir=/com --localstatedir=/var--libdir=/usr/lib --includedir=/usr/include --oldincludedir=/usr/include --infodir=/usr/share/info --mandir=/usr/share/man --disable-libblkid --disable-libuuid --enable-elf-shlibs ... and the error is checking for blkid_get_cache in -lblkid... no configure: error: external blkid library not found FATAL: oe_runconf failed The strange thing is that if I try to launch the previous command from the console works, but the bitbake gives me an error. (Maybe because the three dots in the end) Thanks regards Luca ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Babiloo 0.4
Hi, thanks! Sorry but for the moment I don't have any plan for implementing the multi dictionaries capability. By the way, my next objective is to re-code the program in C for improving the overall performance. After this, maybe I will look at this feature. Ciao Luca ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Shr-User] Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?
1) Yes 2) Yes 3) SHR-testing ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Building for SHR - toolchain?
Hi, I forward an email that is just arrived in the shr-user ML. Cheers Luca On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 10:10 PM, Klaus 'mrmoku' Kurzmann m...@mnet-online.de wrote: Hi, I just create a ticket in the shr trac http://shr-project.org/trac/ticket/764 Thanks, will take care of it. -- Klaus 'mrmoku' Kurzmann ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Babiloo 0.4
Hi, Babiloo with python-elementary code alignment is out. Source: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~vaudano/babiloo/efl/annotate/head%3A/doc/efl/releasedFiles/babiloo_2.0.9-4.tar.gz Package: http://www.opkg.org/packages/babiloo_2.0.9-4_all.ipk Ciao Luca ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Shr-User] Changing timeout settings thru dbus
Hi, yes take at look at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/SHR_User_Manual#Settings:_Power with the configuration file you can change (and keep forever) the settings :) On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 12:58 PM, Gmail forin...@gmail.com wrote: Hello list! For the latest SHR unstable image there is a minor bug: time out settings in the power menu does not kept after suspend. It is a very big pain for me to have only 10 sec idle timeout So, is there any possibility to manually increase (and forever keep it) timeouts with mdbus? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Shr-User] Changing timeout settings thru dbus
Hi, try to search in that file 'idle_dim', for example, that should be these lines. You don't have to add them. Remember after the change to restart the framework. On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 7:16 PM, foringer forin...@gmail.com wrote: Hi! It did not help. I add to /etc/frameworkd.conf lines: suspend = 20 lock = 2 idle_prelock = 12 idle = 10 idle_dim = 20 in the [odeviced.idlenotifier] section (there was only one line in it - ignoreinput=2,3) but timeouts did not changed В Втр, 01/12/2009 в 13:31 +0100, Vaudano Luca пишет: Hi, yes take at look at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/SHR_User_Manual#Settings:_Power with the configuration file you can change (and keep forever) the settings :) On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 12:58 PM, Gmail forin...@gmail.com wrote: Hello list! For the latest SHR unstable image there is a minor bug: time out settings in the power menu does not kept after suspend. It is a very big pain for me to have only 10 sec idle timeout So, is there any possibility to manually increase (and forever keep it) timeouts with mdbus? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Shr-User] Changing timeout settings thru dbus
Good! and please correct the wiki :) On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 7:38 PM, foringer forin...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks! It works now. Parameters are under [fsodevice.kernel_idle] section. There is a mistake in the wiki В Втр, 01/12/2009 в 19:22 +0100, Vaudano Luca пишет: Hi, try to search in that file 'idle_dim', for example, that should be these lines. You don't have to add them. Remember after the change to restart the framework. On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 7:16 PM, foringer forin...@gmail.com wrote: Hi! It did not help. I add to /etc/frameworkd.conf lines: suspend = 20 lock = 2 idle_prelock = 12 idle = 10 idle_dim = 20 in the [odeviced.idlenotifier] section (there was only one line in it - ignoreinput=2,3) but timeouts did not changed В Втр, 01/12/2009 в 13:31 +0100, Vaudano Luca пишет: Hi, yes take at look at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/SHR_User_Manual#Settings:_Power with the configuration file you can change (and keep forever) the settings :) On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 12:58 PM, Gmail forin...@gmail.com wrote: Hello list! For the latest SHR unstable image there is a minor bug: time out settings in the power menu does not kept after suspend. It is a very big pain for me to have only 10 sec idle timeout So, is there any possibility to manually increase (and forever keep it) timeouts with mdbus? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Shr-User] Babiloo on Openmoko - Second milestone
I saw now the SHR recipe. I don't know why, but it is on revision 288 instead of 294. The latest version without problems, it is on opkg website. (I solved also the 'Invalid magic' problem) Ciao Luca On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 1:51 PM, David Garabana Barro da...@garabana.com wrote: On Tuesday 24 November 2009 16:55:14 Vaudano Luca wrote: I solved the second problem, messages always on top, and I released the file 2.0.9-2b as usual in the opkg website. The one on shr feeds still have these problems. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Shr-User] Babiloo on Openmoko - Second milestone
Oh sorry my bad! Thanks for including my project in the feed! Ciao Luca On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 3:07 PM, Thomas Zimmermann m...@vdm-design.de wrote: Am Freitag 27 November 2009 14:48:26 schrieb Vaudano Luca: I saw now the SHR recipe. I don't know why, but it is on revision 288 instead of 294. The latest version without problems, it is on opkg website. (I solved also the 'Invalid magic' problem) Ciao Luca On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 1:51 PM, David Garabana Barro da...@garabana.com wrote: On Tuesday 24 November 2009 16:55:14 Vaudano Luca wrote: I solved the second problem, messages always on top, and I released the file 2.0.9-2b as usual in the opkg website. The one on shr feeds still have these problems. I looked at you site and there you've written: Second Milestone - Current Babiloo version 2.0.9 Bazaar revision: 288 So i took this ;) JaMa is already trying to update it, but bitbake seems to have some problems with bazaar... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Shr-User] Babiloo on Openmoko - Second milestone
It would be nice if you could use distutils or setuputils to install babiloo. Because now i copied all files and directorys to the package, without creating any .pyc. This way the recipe is a bit ugly and will breake if you change anything :) I will work on it... :) Additionally it would be nice if you can host the source tarball somewhere else, because the URL to the bazaar tarball isn't nice to handle. Could you please suggest me some place? I don't use the git repository because they are blocked in my working place :) And as last point: including the locals and the needed docs in the tarball would be nice too :) Temporary I pushed it in Launchpad: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~vaudano/babiloo/efl/annotate/head%3A/doc/efl/releasedFiles/babiloo_2.0.9-3.tar.gz ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Shr-User] Babiloo on Openmoko - Second milestone
I solved the missing characters problem. It was related with some change in the Elementary library. Now Babiloo 2.0.9-2a should work with the new Elementary library (SHR after 19Nov), Babiloo 2.0.9-2 works with SHR before 19Nov. You can find the new version on opkg website and all the previous releases here: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~vaudano/babiloo/efl/files/head:/doc/efl/releasedFiles/ For the second problem, message always on top, I'm working on it. Note that when SHR will release the new python-elementary the program will broke again, due a major change in the Elementary python bindings. The change on my side are only find / replace but there is not retro-compatibility, therefore as soon as I know that SHR will make the update I will do my modifications. Thanks for you feedback. Ciao Luca On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 8:27 AM, Lowell Higley higle...@gmail.com wrote: First of all, great app. However, I am having some troubles with the latest Neo milestone. I am using the 19Nov SHR-Unstable image (with packages updated as of this morning) and Babiloo Second Milestone (2.0.9-2). Problem: Search only uses first or first two characters of a the word in any search. Example, I search on hello and babiloo responds with word h not found. I have tried multiple dictionaries and many different words, all with the same problem. What am I doing wrong? Other comments Any message babiloo displays always stay on top. If I switch to another app or to the desktop, any message babiloo might display (such as loading dictionary.. stays on top. Even on the lock screen. Thanks! ___ Shr-User mailing list shr-u...@lists.shr-project.org http://lists.shr-project.org/mailman/listinfo/shr-user ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Shr-User] Babiloo on Openmoko - Second milestone
I solved the second problem, messages always on top, and I released the file 2.0.9-2b as usual in the opkg website. By the way, I noticed that now the loading time for a dictionary is incremented from 36 seconds to 48 seconds, same code, same dictionary.. :-/ Cheers Luca On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 2:46 PM, Vaudano Luca vaud...@gmail.com wrote: I solved the missing characters problem. It was related with some change in the Elementary library. Now Babiloo 2.0.9-2a should work with the new Elementary library (SHR after 19Nov), Babiloo 2.0.9-2 works with SHR before 19Nov. You can find the new version on opkg website and all the previous releases here: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~vaudano/babiloo/efl/files/head:/doc/efl/releasedFiles/ For the second problem, message always on top, I'm working on it. Note that when SHR will release the new python-elementary the program will broke again, due a major change in the Elementary python bindings. The change on my side are only find / replace but there is not retro-compatibility, therefore as soon as I know that SHR will make the update I will do my modifications. Thanks for you feedback. Ciao Luca On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 8:27 AM, Lowell Higley higle...@gmail.com wrote: First of all, great app. However, I am having some troubles with the latest Neo milestone. I am using the 19Nov SHR-Unstable image (with packages updated as of this morning) and Babiloo Second Milestone (2.0.9-2). Problem: Search only uses first or first two characters of a the word in any search. Example, I search on hello and babiloo responds with word h not found. I have tried multiple dictionaries and many different words, all with the same problem. What am I doing wrong? Other comments Any message babiloo displays always stay on top. If I switch to another app or to the desktop, any message babiloo might display (such as loading dictionary.. stays on top. Even on the lock screen. Thanks! ___ Shr-User mailing list shr-u...@lists.shr-project.org http://lists.shr-project.org/mailman/listinfo/shr-user ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Shr-User] Babiloo on Openmoko - Second milestone
Yes, I know also to me opkg gives me this error.. but the application works. Maybe my way for creating the ipk package is not 100% compliant. Could you confirm that the application work? ciao Luca On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 10:13 PM, David Garabana Barro da...@garabana.com wrote: O Martes, 24 de Novembro de 2009, Vaudano Luca escribiu: I solved the second problem, messages always on top, and I released the file 2.0.9-2b as usual in the opkg website. I get the following error when installing: opkg install http://bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Evaudano/babiloo/efl/annotate/head%3A/doc/efl/releasedFiles/babiloo_2.0.9-2b _all.ipk Downloading http://bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Evaudano/babiloo/efl/annotate/head%3A/doc/efl/releasedFiles/babiloo_2.0.9-2b_all.ipk opkg: invalid magic I remember to have suffered this same error some time ago, but I cannot remember the solution! -- David Garabana Barro jabber google talk ID: da...@garabana.com Clave pública PGP/GPG: http://davide.garabana.com/pgp.html ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Fwd: [E-devel] Important change in python elementary
Hi guys, I think that it's a good thing forward the following email here! Ciao Luca -- Forwarded message -- From: Boris 'billiob' Faure bill...@gmail.com Date: Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 10:28 PM Subject: [E-devel] Important change in python elementary To: enlightenment-de...@lists.sourceforge.net I've committed some changes to how callbacks are handled in python elementary. If you use it, your application is now broken, I'm sorry. However, it's better now than letter :) So, what have changed? You used to bind a callback to the clicked of a button this way: bt.clicked = my_func or bt.clicked = (my_func, my_data) The signature of the callback was always: my_func(obj, event, data) even if you had not set any data! What if you wanted to perform 2 actions? How could you remove the callback? Now, in order to connect a function to an event, let say 'clicked', you use: bt.callback_clicked_add(func, *args, **kwargs) The required signature is my_func(obj, *args, **kwargs) or my_func(obj, it, *args, **kwargs) if an item is given, for example when an item in a toolbar is clicked. If you want to disconnect this function to the event, you call: bt.callback_clicked_remove(func, *args, **kwargs) if func is None, all the events bound to 'clicked' are removed. args and kwargs must be the same as those given when the callback was set. Now, this is possible: def destroy(win, str1, str2, str3, str4): print :str1='%s', str2='%s', str3='%s', str4='%s' %( str1, str2, str3, str4) win.callback_destroy_add(destroy, test1, test2, str3=test3, str4=test4) To sum up: when you used: obj.EVENT = XXX now you should use: obj.callback_EVENT_add(XXX) I've updated the testing file. I hope to have patched correctly editje. -- Boris 'billiob' Faure -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-de...@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [E-devel] Important change in python elementary
The revisions affected by the change are from 43900. Bye Luca On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 9:30 AM, Vaudano Luca vaud...@gmail.com wrote: Hi guys, I think that it's a good thing forward the following email here! Ciao Luca -- Forwarded message -- From: Boris 'billiob' Faure bill...@gmail.com Date: Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 10:28 PM Subject: [E-devel] Important change in python elementary To: enlightenment-de...@lists.sourceforge.net I've committed some changes to how callbacks are handled in python elementary. If you use it, your application is now broken, I'm sorry. However, it's better now than letter :) So, what have changed? You used to bind a callback to the clicked of a button this way: bt.clicked = my_func or bt.clicked = (my_func, my_data) The signature of the callback was always: my_func(obj, event, data) even if you had not set any data! What if you wanted to perform 2 actions? How could you remove the callback? Now, in order to connect a function to an event, let say 'clicked', you use: bt.callback_clicked_add(func, *args, **kwargs) The required signature is my_func(obj, *args, **kwargs) or my_func(obj, it, *args, **kwargs) if an item is given, for example when an item in a toolbar is clicked. If you want to disconnect this function to the event, you call: bt.callback_clicked_remove(func, *args, **kwargs) if func is None, all the events bound to 'clicked' are removed. args and kwargs must be the same as those given when the callback was set. Now, this is possible: def destroy(win, str1, str2, str3, str4): print :str1='%s', str2='%s', str3='%s', str4='%s' %( str1, str2, str3, str4) win.callback_destroy_add(destroy, test1, test2, str3=test3, str4=test4) To sum up: when you used: obj.EVENT = XXX now you should use: obj.callback_EVENT_add(XXX) I've updated the testing file. I hope to have patched correctly editje. -- Boris 'billiob' Faure -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-de...@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Babiloo on Openmoko - Second milestone
Hi guys, Babiloo ( http://babiloo-project.org/wiki/index.php/Babiloo:Neo ) seems work well on the latest SHR Unstable (thanks SHR team!!!) Any comments are welcomed. Cheers Luca On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 2:11 PM, Vaudano Luca vaud...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for the feedback Yeah I made some tuning on the dictionaries engine... the other guys didn't pay a lot of attention on it because they only test it on the desktop. From 1 second to 4 seconds it is fine for the desktop application but from 7 seconds to 76 secs is a hell for our openmoko! :) On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 1:01 PM, David Garabana Barro da...@garabana.com wrote: On Tuesday 03 November 2009 12:47:31 Vaudano Luca wrote: Hi guys, I just release the second milestone of Babiloo, a offline dictionaries reader, for SHR. WOW According to data on wiki, performance improvements seems HUGE! Thanks for this (very) useful program! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Babiloo on Openmoko - Second milestone
Hi guys, I just release the second milestone of Babiloo, a offline dictionaries reader, for SHR. Please note that it works only with MrMoku SHR branch. Babiloo for Neo page: http://babiloo-project.org/wiki/index.php/Babiloo:Neo Ciao Luca ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Babiloo on Openmoko - Second milestone
Thanks for the feedback Yeah I made some tuning on the dictionaries engine... the other guys didn't pay a lot of attention on it because they only test it on the desktop. From 1 second to 4 seconds it is fine for the desktop application but from 7 seconds to 76 secs is a hell for our openmoko! :) On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 1:01 PM, David Garabana Barro da...@garabana.com wrote: On Tuesday 03 November 2009 12:47:31 Vaudano Luca wrote: Hi guys, I just release the second milestone of Babiloo, a offline dictionaries reader, for SHR. WOW According to data on wiki, performance improvements seems HUGE! Thanks for this (very) useful program! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[FSO] flash the FSO filesystem
As found on the documentation, I need to flash on FSO the .jfss2 file on my Freerunner (so I need the om-gta2 file). At this URL http://downloads.openmoko.org/framework/milestone3/ I found not a jfss2 file but a jfss2.summary file. Is this the same thing? What I need to flash? Thanks! -- -- luca ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[FSO] FSO repositories
I finally installed the FSO on my FR. First of all It seems that the repositories called when I run the opkg update aren't correct. I need to change those as I did for the ASU release? URL used are something like: http://my-distribution.org/remote-feed//om-gta02/Packages.gz I need some fix? -- -- luca ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [FSO] flash the FSO filesystem
FIXED (I think) The .summary file worked. On Sat, Oct 4, 2008 at 11:29 AM, Luca [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As found on the documentation, I need to flash on FSO the .jfss2 file on my Freerunner (so I need the om-gta2 file). At this URL http://downloads.openmoko.org/framework/milestone3/ I found not a jfss2 file but a jfss2.summary file. Is this the same thing? What I need to flash? Thanks! -- -- luca -- -- luca ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Sending SMS: python
On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 4:47 AM, Marco Trevisan (Treviño) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Marcel wrote: Am Wednesday 17 September 2008 21:45:16 schrieb Luca: I don't know about frameworkd on ASU, but you could simply flashing the FSO image. It should be possible using gsm0710muxd as at interface in qtopia. Isn't it? Some weeks ago I got something like that... I downloaded the gsm0170muxd package and daemon before begin this discussion, but I'm not able to find documentation about it... How to use? I fear its a very-low-level interface, not simple as the old gsmd (and again: how to use it?!) -- -- luca ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[2008.8] retry with PIN request
Hi all. Sometimes the SIM PIN request fail (in facts: the GUI continue to say Verifying the SIM Pin) on my freerunner. The only thing that I can do is restart the system. There's a way to reask the PIN? If I try to make a call I get only Sim not registered or something like this. -- -- luca ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Sending SMS: python
On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 9:11 PM, Marcel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know about the situation on the other stacks, but FSO (freesmartphone.org) is a project to imlement the fso specifications of an API for access to the device's hardware. Maybe you can somehow interface with qpe which seems to be a central control daemon in qtopia... After looking around for a while I really found nothing! My Neo Freerunner is new and so I've no important data on it, I can re-flash something other! What can I try to obtain the freesmartphone.org layer you are talking about? For what I can test using python on my ASU, I've the dbus library available! Something like... import dbus from dbus.mainloop.glib import DBusGMainLoop DBusGMainLoop(set_as_default=True) ...works - (example taken from http://www.freesmartphone.org/index.php/Tutorials/GSM_python). -- -- luca ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Sending SMS: python
I all. I'm looking for a common method to send SMS using python on the ASU release. Is the example of the SMSTool good or deprecated? I also read about pygsmd but seems unsupported. Other suggestion really welcome! -- -- luca ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Sending SMS: python
On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 8:14 PM, Marcel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For such things I would redirect you to FSO which has the dbus framework, but I doubt the frameworkd being available for 2008.8... I don't really understand what FSO is, sorry! So there's no way to do this? As I read now the use of gsmd and gsmd-tool is for 2007.xx only, not qtopia (the wiki say that things can conflict). The SMSTool use this way as I see looking in the code. BTW: Since you're addressing especially at Om2008.8, please prefix your topic with [2008.8] :) thanks, am a newbie poster here! -- -- luca ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Possible Input method -- press and drag
On 10/2/07, Derek Pressnall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've had an idea for a novel input method that would work on touch screen devices. The idea is to present a graphic that is similar to a standard phone keypad layout, with standard lettering and number positions. To enter a specific letter, you touch the button associated with that letter and drag your finger/stylus in a particular direction to indicate which letter to choose. For example, to enter an a, press the number 2, then drag to the left and release. A b would be press 2, drag upwards and release, and a c would be press 2, drag right then release. And so on. To enter the number 2, just press and release without dragging. To be easily usable, the method shouldn't require you to drag completely off the button, but should also require a minimum drag length. What does everyone think about the usability of this type of method? Once I get up to speed on GTK programming, I can take a stab at it, but it may be a bit before I get time for it. So if someone else wants to give it a shot, go ahead. I don't know how much this idea is novel. It should be a kind of revisitation on the pie-menu, which is supposed to enable quicker access to more GUI commands. I think it could be usable. On 10/2/07, Robin Paulson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i think this has been done already, sort of. see: http://www.micropp.se/openmoko/ Already done, or just proposed? --Luca ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
gpsd and AGPS
Hi all, I am trying to understand how AGPS can work with gpsd daemon. In my undestanding, when I have an UMTS/GSM module and a GPS module supporting AGPS, I can retrieve Assistance Data for AGPS from UMTS/GSM. I believe this can be done through an AGPS control software running on a host processor. All this collected Data should be passed to GPS module through gpsd, I believe. At this point I'd like to understand, if it is really possible to do it through gpsd and in which way this can be done. Someone please help me to understand the way in which AGPS actually works. Thanks in advance, Luca Cabriolu ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: gpsd and AGPS
Hi Ian, thanks for your answer. I'd like to know how AGPS is currently supported on the NEO 1973. Can you help me to understand how it works from a software and a hardware point of view? Thanks. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Earliest possible release date for GTA02 - is it past October?
On 8/26/07, Ian Stirling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Steven ** wrote: On 8/25/07, *Ian Stirling* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It would be nice to have some information on this. Is it still plausible that if everything falls right, GTA02 can be produced in volume, in time for purchased units to be supplied in volume to developers in October? See http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2007-August/009491.html I missed that somehow. Which answers it - assuming that Phase 1 is shipping to developers. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Release schedule GTA-2
On 8/19/07, Harald Welte [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Aug 17, 2007 at 12:39:14PM +0200, Jurian Sluiman wrote: I was wondering when the GTA-2 Neo comes out. Before GTA-1 everyone said it would be October, but after a while it became September. Some wiki pages are still saying September, others October. depends on what you think. GTA02 phase-1 will probably be october. In the wiki there are pages that seem to equate GTA01 = phase 1 GTA02 = phase 2 What is GTA02 phase-1 ? ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Earliest possible release date for GTA02 - is it past October?
In the wiki there are pages that seem to equate GTA01 = phase 1 GTA02 = phase 2 What is GTA02 phase-1 ? ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
What's the real scope of hardware openness?
If I understand correctly, the real big problem, as for legal issues and technical issues, is the GSM protocol. Using WiFi for a similar goal should be fine, though. The problem is that you can reach much shorter distances without the help of someone else's spot. Suppose we would have such a great adoption of NEO or similar openmoko phones, in some areas at least, that we could do well even without the use of access points. It should be the point of this wishlist post: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wishlist:Mesh_Networking Suppose also that the needed software gets deployed such as BATMAN, Netsukuku, whatsoever. Then we could get closer to the goal. (get rid of the bastards, you remember?) Do I mistake again? ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: What's the real scope of hardware openness?
On 8/7/07, Luca Dionisi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If the mesh protocol is smart, I think the consumption problem could be worked out. And, BTW, I think that having to recharge the phone batteries once a day is a price that I would pay if it allows for a free communication channel with a whole city. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: What's the real scope of hardware openness?
On 8/7/07, Giles Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Luca Dionisi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote : Yep. Anyway I would insist in finding a solution that doesn't rely heavily in access points. It would be a showstopper. IMHO we could reach the needed adoption level only if the mobile phone (that everyone nowadays carries with him) is the only needed spot. If the mesh protocol is smart, I think the consumption problem could be worked out. Are you sure that I'm advocating the wrong way to go? It's not just consumption of power, transmission strength as well. Would you really feel safe placing a mobile device to your head that is transmitting a signal 10 or more times stronger than with GSM? Not such an issue if you mandate a headset, but it's still a health concern. When you make a call (or answer) then the phone could go automatically in a mode that doesn't participate in the mesh. Solved. Or the signal is so much stronger also when it serves only you? Then working with a laptop on wifi for 8 hours is dangerous? I think there is some FUD in this issue. And the bastards (you know who I mean) spread it well. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
What's the real scope of hardware openness?
On 8/7/07, John Seghers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Luca Dionisi wrote: Many NEOs - many batteries. Few NEOs - few power need. Scaleable, isn't it? I know I'm simplifying. I'm not saying it's trivial. The main problem here is that the WiFi hardware was not designed for the ultra-low-power modes required to extend the standby time. Note how most phones today can go for days without recharging while waiting for a call, but get only a few hours of talk time. GSM and CDMA radio systems are designed to use an absolute minimum of power when in standby. They broadcast location occasionally, but most of the time they are just listening--and listening only to the housekeeping channel. In a mesh network using WiFi, however, the nodes need to be active any time they are being used for data transfer. Even topological negotiation is going to require data transfer. E.g. the previously mentioned link says: Netsukuku is designed to handle an unlimited number of nodes with minimal CPU and memory resources. Unfortunately this doesn't say anything about power requirements. - John John, thanks a lot for the light. Now I see. Sad. I will step back and think. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: What's the real scope of hardware openness?
On 8/6/07, Giles Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What you propose is illegal due to the restrictions on radio transmissions. ... The problem is you would be relying on someone near to you, ... Also, the power drain of having a radio transmitter (eg. Wifi) switched on all the time... Ok, good points for sure. But similar points have not stopped an incremental adoption of emule. For the legal aspect, since our representatives have demonstrated that they care about consumers' interests less than zero, I hope in a movement starting from the base. On 8/6/07, Sébastien Lorquet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I feel that building a network architecture relying on others users to transmit critical data streams could raise a lot of security and speed issues. There are protocols for anonymity. On 8/6/07, Mikko J Rauhala [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What you can't do is use the GSM frequencies for this kind of thing, first because you don't have access to the GSM chip firmware, ... Well, then it IS a matter of hardware openness too. On 8/6/07, Torfinn Ingolfsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, for the GSM network at least, the current devices simply cannot talk to each other directly, ech needs to talk to a base station. Is this a existing limitation also for GPRS or UMTS? ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: What's the real scope of hardware openness?
On 8/6/07, Giles Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Luca Dionisi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote : Ok, good points for sure. But similar points have not stopped an incremental adoption of emule. Yes, but on a mobile device? For the legal aspect, since our representatives have demonstrated that they care about consumers' interests less than zero, I hope in a movement starting from the base. Simple fact is if you produce an open mobile and start breaking laws with it then its days are numbered. I was thinking of a door left open for third-party apps. Well, then it IS a matter of hardware openness too. Partly, but the chips are often built around a protocol. So if you are changing the protocol then you can't use a device that implements a protocol in hardware. Is this a existing limitation also for GPRS or UMTS? Limitation of the silicon. It's like trying to use a sound chip for graphics, or a dial up model for ADSL. Sad. I was sure it was a silly question. Well, then the openmoko revolution is not as big a revolution as I thought. Still it is big! ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: What's the real scope of hardware openness?
On 8/6/07, Mikko J Rauhala [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The point is that you must be a 1) criminal 2) sociopath to even want to do this thing with the GSM radio in particular, even if you could. The wifi on GTA02 on the other hand will be capable of this sort of thing (legally and ethically), therefore not really a hardware openness issue, IMAO. Just that there would still be the practical problems indicated by me and others. Ok for techie problems and we have to stick with the reality of closed firmware. I don't agree with the idea of waiting for what we'll be able to do legally and ethically with wifi. What about WiMax? What if (quite likely) the telcos win the WiMax auctions? Bye bye ethics! I would support a cooperative network solution. Speed and bandwidth issues would be worked out soon. But I guess at the moment it is just a dream. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
What's the real scope of hardware openness?
I'm definitely willing to believe that there are tech problems, the GPS protocol into the chips we are using, closed firmware and all the rest. And I admit I really know nothing about mobile comm problems. Anyway, there seems to be some FUD here to me. But then I am probably wrong. Could you confirm these problems? On 8/6/07, Ian Stirling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you are on average 20 nodes away from the destination, then on average, (neglecting routing problems) you, and all the nodes you route through, are sharing their bandwidth with 20 other users. Isn't that the same that having many users sharing the aerial bandwidth when communicating with the same big GSM antenna? Because users are not evenly spread, there are 'hot' links, which are links between 'islands' of relatively isolated users. This means that a vastly disproportionate amount of traffic goes to them. Couldn't this problem be worked out? Some powerful (wired?) connection between the 'islands'. I mean, if you are talking about big group of users, say a town or a big building. Even neglecting users who are abusing the network, the noise floor goes up significantly, because everyone is 'shouting' at once. Emule does a great job in avoiding the abusers. Once you get a few people that decide that streaming video from their webcams to their office is a fun app, they utterly screw the people using the same frequency in the same range. Again, the protocol should take care of who gets what part of the bandwidth. The problem _is_ the sociopaths. With an open protocol, and open devices, and shared radio frequency it is simply impossible to stop them interfering with other users. Maybe mine is a naive idea, but I don't agree. If the protocol is well designed. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
