Re: Fwd: Re: Bestellung openmoko
Marcel [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Short translation: Your packet has begun its trip today! Christoph sent my Freerunner without even knowing for sure that he's getting the payment (but I told him that the bank transfer has been initiated [which is true]) - he suggested praising him on the ml and this is just what I want to do: Christoph, you're simply great! :) -Marcel Please, do not do that again. I nearly had a heart attack. I'm still waiting for a response that Pulster is going to process my order of the Neo Freerunner, (I'm most likely in the batch of July 27th) and I saw your message in the preview gmail window on netvibes, and I nearly died there, thinking that they had started to process my order, and were about to ship. :) Sadly, I still have to wait. :) But don't scare me like that anymore, please? :) Marcel de Jong, The Netherlands (in case you don't know my style of humour, this reply is meant in jest) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Group sale Netherlands
For those Dutch people who are interested in discussing the possible ways of importing the Neo Freerunner in a group sale. I have created a discussion on the talk page of the groupsale wiki page[1]. Current tally gives us already 11. So we've at least reached the 10 needed for the discounted shipment. But more would of course be nice. :) I hope to see the Neo in my hands soon. :) [1] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Talk:GroupSales#The_Netherlands Greetings, Marcel de Jong ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Group sale Netherlands
If I look at the wiki page of the group sales[1], the number seems to suggest that we already have 10, but I have a feeling that that is an incorrect assumption. Because the numbers are very incremental. ;) The 1/10 behind my name is 1 unit out of the possible 10 for the group sale. :) Perhaps the other Dutch buyers need to adjust the number to reflect their amount of phones they intend to buy? :) greetings, Marcel MadJo de Jong [1] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GroupSales#The_Netherlands ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Why you won't find me in the forum much
Ian Stirling [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Rod Whitby wrote: snip NNTP is another option - and there are NNTP-email gateways since forever. There is also much web-based NNTP readers out there. When you create a Google Group, can you then also set it to create a Usenet newsgroup? If so, that might be a solution. --- Marcel de Jong ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Switch to newsgroup
Geert Schuring [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hey all, I'd really like to switch to newsgroups for this kind of communication. Best way to do it if you ask me! No shitty webforums, offline message reading, and easy subscribing. So why not move to newsgroups? Indeed, for the forum lovers, then there are sites like Google Groups. :) And the newsgroup 'purists' can then use their favourite NNTP (and perhaps port/write one for the Neo.) :-) --- Marcel de Jong ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: PRESS: Hands-on with the OpenMoko Phone
On 7/25/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 24 Jul 2007, Joe Pfeiffer wrote: Jason Elwell writes: http://blog.wired.com/monkeybites/2007/07/hands-on-with-t.html Thanks for posting that -- certainly whetted my appetite. It's also interesting that the author of the article didn't quite understand which decisions have been made, and which are pending: he didn't seem to understand that next version *won't* have a camera. Sadly, not only the writer of the article got it wrong. Some of the commenters on the Wired blog are following the lines of people who get it wrong. (for instance, the 'no music' comment... A mediaplayer was in the works, right?) (and the Moko/Moco == Bugger in Spanish is getting old too) :) By the way, it was inspiring to see the interest in that community. A lot had not heard about this project and were very excited. I had about 70 paper copies of my instructions for how to get from Ubuntu to Openmoko (in 5 easy steps!) (http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User_talk:Michaelshiloh) and they were all taken. I encouraged everyone to join the community. Funny I see 7 steps. ;) It's great to hear that there are so many people interested in this thing. Gives me hope that this project has a chance. :) --- Marcel de Jong ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: well, that didn't take long
Well I must say that the free shipping does sound rather attractive, especially if you look at the high shipping costs to NL, if it's bought from the official store. (but sadly I don't have 400 dollars at present) :) On 7/15/07, Joe Pfeiffer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A Neo is being offered on ebay. With a buy-it-now price of $416.00. Item No. 170129612124 Let's hope the top bid is, oh, $150. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Charging the NEO1973
Tim Shannon [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: According to the wiki, charging the battery is always done through the USB socket. Does that mean that the NEO is only chargable from a computer, or is there a USB cord that plugs into a wall socket included. I don't know about everyone else, but I want want to bring my NEO to places where I don't want to lug around a computer I suppose the alternative is to buy a powered USB hug, and plug that into the wall, and the NEO into that. There are a lot of different USB chargers. For in wall sockets and for in your car. :) Just look on eBay, or perhaps your local electronics store. --- Marcel ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Nederlanders opgelet] Dutch newspaper blog about OpenMoko phone
On 7/12/07, Vincent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip een telefoon met fraaie afgeronde hoeken That's actually a compliment about the rounded corners, haven't heard that in a while ;-) snip Also, I guess when the author says navigational software shouldn't be a problem because TomTom runs Linux, he's wrong, right? (That was a weird sentence) No, TomTom runs on a flavor of Linux. -- Vincent In one of the recent episodes of the Dutch podcast ICTroddels.nl, they also mentioned the Neo1973, but they made a few factual errors. Which I hopefully corrected in their comments. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Nederlanders! Openmoko needs more attention
Now, I've opened a topic on the Openmoko at Tweakers.net again. Placed another post to that board. If they close that one too as spam, I don't care anymore for their 'Gathering of Tweakers'. If they can't see the awesomeness of this device, then I can't be bothered posting there. :P http://gathering.tweakers.net/forum/list_messages/1231380 :) ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Will the Neo have Wifi?
On 7/8/07, lists [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Will the Neo have Wifi, sometime consider Wimax, a Sip client? Yes Neo1972 version2 (the one in October) will have WiFi. The one for sale now, doesn't. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Nederlanders! Openmoko needs more attention
Not just the Dutch. Slashdot needs some attention too. :) http://slashdot.org/firehose.pl?op=viewid=215821 BTW, too bad they already closed the Tweakers.net thread. And I can't find a way to suggest a news story there. On 7/8/07, ted braak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is a forumthread started on the tweakers forum http://gathering.tweakers.net/forum/list_messages/1231336 Very popular site for ICT news. Maybe a good idea to add some comments to get some more attention. I've searched on this site and there were no threads started, so according to the tweakers forum the openmoko project doesn't exist. It's about time that changed :) = Dentists Online Smile Center ! For Your Health. http://a8-asy.a8ww.net/a8-ads/adftrclick?redirectid=67c64dccfa9ec16aa85b2261544e5f5a -- Powered by Outblaze ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Some light ahead...
On 4/27/07, Ian Stirling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Duncan Hudson wrote: Jim Thompson wrote: snip 4) Relax... you're not going to be able to add features to an iPhone. OSX is unix based, so you and I both know that one will be able to add apps to the iPhone. We also both know that for it to succeed in the business environment they'll have to allow 3rd party apps. Know? That's a little strong. Custom u-boot, or something like it, that will only accept signed firmware images to upgrade. Properly setup security, with an installer that will only install signed apps. Kernel that will only run signed binaries. Oh - if you pay apple large amounts of money, sure. Free? Well I doubt it. I doubt that the Neo and the iPhone are real competitors. It's nice to compare the two, but that comparison is okewed, both devices cater to two different markets. And do you all really believe that mom would buy a phone that's as hideously expensive as the iPhone? In the US, you have to sign a two year contract with Cingular, whether you are a current customer or not! And if that weren't enough, also pay 500 US dollars for the cheapest version. (No, there is no discount on that) Now let's compare THAT with the Neo offering: - No need to sign a new contract if you already have GSM - And the price is 350 USD (plus shipping?) But let's be honest here, it's incredibly hard to get into the cellphone market, with those giant names as Nokia, Sony-Ericsson and the likes. The openess of the Neo is only a selling point for us 'geeks'. What the device needs is something that Joe from the street wants, nay, needs to use. And while you are correct that development will soar once the dev phones ship, I'm sure there are already people working on great software using the openmoko-makefile, and other dev-tools. But don't expect stellar sales from people not in the know. I doubt that I would be able to find the Neo at our local GSM shop. But that's just my opinion. greetings, Marcel de Jong ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Status update on the phones?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi all, I was wondering (along, I'm sure, with many others here on this list) what the current status is of the P1 phones. Is there 'light at the end of the tunnel' yet, for you guys? :) A few weeks ago, Sean mentioned some problems that might be quickly fixed, or might need another hardware spin. I'm curious what it eventually was/is. :) Also, can translators already start doing some work on (some of) the apps (aside from the Wiki that is), or are these apps still too much in flux? If we can start translating, is there somewhere a way to be able to grab the sources, and update the translation files? I tried the rsync instructions on this page: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko#Developer_Workstations But that didn't work out for me. (my coding skills are rusty, and I don't have much experience working with rsync or with svn.) Or do I need to use the Openmoko makefile to grab these files? sincerely, Marcel de Jong -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFGJpZslO32TmuZymsRAib0AJ0WPLu00EryEeMDUufcRhbxfSW2wQCdE7/s VJk/7Liyi57/ysu47Gqz6Sw= =c04U -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenMoko featured in Mac|Life
Ryan Kline [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hey Everyone-- OpenMoko's Neo1973 was featured in Mac | Life's March Issue in an article titled A Tale of Three Smartphones ...we temporarily forgot that two other touchscreen smartphones had previously been announced: LG's Prada phone and the Neo1973 smartphone, manufactured by Taiwan-based FIC and developed by OpenMoko, an open-source mobile movementwhile the OpenMoko device is a linux geek's you-know-what-dream... It also has a nice chart comparing iPhone, Neo1973, and PRADA. There is also an online editorial: http://www.maclife.com/article/is_three_a_crowd_in_the_touch_screen_phone_arena That article seems a bit scoffing towards the Neo1973, and has some mistakes in its information on which I've commented on the site. (I've added this article to the Wiki Press Coverage page (under February)) --- Marcel de Jong ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Itch3: Anti-lost/theft protection
On 3/4/07, t3st3r [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip FYI: just to let you know, an anti-thief\anti-lost system for phones already exists.Here is the story.Maybe someone already heard that proprietary Siemens mobile phones (x55 series based on 80C166 CPU and x65 and x75 series based on ARM9) were reverse-engineered deeply and people has bypassed boot loader protection (preventing user's code from being uploaded) so everyone can run it's own code on phone's CPU.Also I heard some other vendors were hacked successfully as well.Some SonyEricsson for example. One of the first firmware patches has been the anti-thief subsystem.How does it works?It does detects SIM card change (by IMSI checking IIRC) and then SMSes to predefined number(s) (should be someone of your family or friends of course).This reveals new phone number (allowing to take a legal actions) and can allow owner to regain remote control, get coordinates (actually, on Siemens phones you can get Cell ID at very most, funny enough anyway). But how does this affect resale of the device? Because then the new owner inserts a new SIMcard, and then this mechanism would go active, wouldn't it? I'm just curious, it sounds like an interesting idea. snip --- Marcel de Jong ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Shipment of phones
Hi Marc, * On 2/26/07, Marc Verwerft [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip There is an entry in the Wiki about shipping notes, but before I posted anything there I wanted to check/compare/confirm the above. Any comments or similar experiences with buying goods from outside EU anyone? I thought that FIC had a European distributor? I hope I'm not mistaken... --- Marcel ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: YouTube (was: Back from FOSDEM)
Hi Doug, * On 2/26/07, Doug Parker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is the easiest way to distribute the video? Dailymotion / YouTube They have bw to burn :) Great idea, and it's not just a YouTube video posting--it's an ongoing marketing effort, and one that can give lots of visibility to the project if done right. The right keywords in the search terms and descriptive paragraph (for example iPhone, iPod, etc.) can spark lots of interest in the platform. I'm not sure if using the words iPhone and iPod in the description will help much, if those are not in the video. :) (Might cause some backlash in the comments) There has to be enough geek-speak in the description to interest the hackers, yet not so much that the average person doesn't tune out, as well as enough meaningful consumer content, explanations, and buzzwords to catch the attention of the consumer crowd and make them want to forward it to their friends. But this is indeed something to think about, for people who put up videos of the phone on GooTube. :) --- Marcel ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: What service plan in New York City?
On 2/19/07, Mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What service plan should I sign up for in new york city in anticipation of the openmoko? In other words a plan that I can keep and switch to an openmoko phone with? I already know it has to be G3 and use sim cards. I want to know, specifically, what carrier will work? I'm in the largest city in america, surely some of the openmoko people will know what I can sign up for? No it's not G3, but GSM. (and GPRS, G2.5?) The two largest GSM players in the USA (that I know of) are Cingular and T-Mobile. And then the question is which has the biggest coverage. I believe that on t-mobile.com you can see a map with the coverage of them in your area. And I'm sure Cingular has a similar page. :) Please note, I'm not from the USA but I've read up on a few sources about this, and heard stories from friends. --- Marcel de Jong ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Help Adding A Picture/Video Behind Incoming Call Screen
Hi Ryan, On 2/16/07, Dr. Suess [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Could anyone help me with this (subject). Where are the images for the incoming calls screen? Do you mean something like this: http://people.openmoko.org/sean/specifications/images/dialer_incoming.png But I believe the images in those folders are just design indications,so it is of course subject to change. ;-) --- Marcel de Jong ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: And please use a emailclients with working Reference Re: gmail users CC'ing
Sorry for not replying at the bottom... Why the open hostility towards GMail users? You all tout we want freedom to choose and all that, but still you'd like to stifle the same level of freedom of others. I choose to use GMail, that's a deliberate choice, because it's one of the few great _webmail_ applications, with which I can access my mail anywhere I want. (I'm not always at home reading my mail) I've tried Yahoo mail, didn't like it, I even tried Fastmail in the past. (which was slow) Gmail is responsive for me, and has a lot of good features that I like and that I use. And so far I have yet to see any proof of Google actively scr*wing over their customers, by violating their privacy. Yes they add ads on the side of the page by scanning your email, like they also do with the ad-sense ads, there is no difference there, no human eyes are involved in that process. I have seen no proof of datamining, I rarely get spam in my inbox, and most of my mails are threaded. If you can't deal with gmail-messages, fine, block all gmail.com messages, that is your choice. It won't stop me from using Gmail. --- A very miffed Gmail-user, Marcel On 2/13/07, Robert Michel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Salve Richard, *! I full agree with you! But dubbel mails from gmail is IMHO not the worst - it is starting new threads with every answer be not using working Referneces or In-Replay-To On Tue, 13 Feb 2007, Richard Bennett wrote: Hi, Why so many people who believe in the ideals put forward by the Neo/Openmoko project are happy to use Gmail astounds me... tzz, locking forward to have more ICT freedom with OpenMoko/Neo1973 but wasting personal freedom and privatcy by using the datacollecting monster google A nyway, aside from that minirant, is it possible when sending mail from Gmail to not CC loads of people in the meantime? The gmailers here on the list are also _rowdily_ by not using an emailclient with supporting working References :(( Maybe they are so ICT unskilled that they do not know that good emailcinets support threading for efficient and civilised communication. So either someone of the gmail guys explains the other gmail ICT-noobs how to use an emailclient for a civilised participtation on a mailinglist, or I will gooing filter all mails comming from gmail.com. (Gmail users seems to become what AOL users has been known for) Nice hints like: S: Small hint: Your Email hasn't a working References: or In-Reply-To: in its header, so no email client could put it into the right thread. Please check if you can answer with Referneces. Seems not to be understood or respected. Sorry for my hard words,* but as we known there are over 800 people on the list and a mailinglist without respecting References in the emailheader will making an unneccessary mess in our inboxes, but also on the webarchives. So when you are using gmail and you know how to use gmail civilised on a mailinglist, please explain other gmailers how to do so Which gmail user can help? Thank you :)) rob ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Just a personal feedback - I'm just writing for me Re: And please use a emailclients with working Reference Re: gmail users CC'ing
Hello Robert my apologies too, I was somewhere in a bad mood at the moment I wrote that response, it was like adding oil on the flames, you couldn't know that either. On 2/13/07, Robert Michel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Salve Marcel,*! This is a personal answer from me - I'm very sorry to started this thread going into deep and I do not want to harm Openmoko by dissmotivating people to join... So, my style was not ok and I already asked for excuse me. Apology accepted. On Tue, 13 Feb 2007, Marcel de Jong wrote: Sorry for not replying at the bottom... Why the open hostility towards GMail users? You all tout we want freedom to choose and all that, but still you'd like to stifle the same level of freedom of others. I choose to use GMail, that's a deliberate choice, because it's one of the few great _webmail_ applications, with which I can access my mail anywhere I want. (I'm not always at home reading my mail) I've tried Yahoo mail, didn't like it, I even tried Fastmail in the past. (which was slow) Gmail is responsive for me, and has a lot of good features that I like and that I use. And so far I have yet to see any proof of Google actively scr*wing over their customers, by violating their privacy. Yes they add ads on the side of the page by scanning your email, Yes, google is scanning *my* email and selling adds fitting to the mail - maybe also selling informations about me to others... I know that there were privacy advocates in the beginning that were saying that, but I don't think that Google goes so far to do that, they'd waste a lot of goodwill that they have. You as gmail user has agreed that google is allowed to - scan *my* email - to save *my* email as long as google likes. Your ISP scans your email too, at least if you are not running your own mailserver. Who knows what happens there. I do not have a problem with this, as long it is only about emails going to a public mailinglist - but when I want to send a personal mail to that person the problems starts. like they also do with the ad-sense ads, there is no difference there, no human eyes are involved in that process. I have seen no proof of datamining, http://www.epic.org/privacy/gmail/faq.html What is their standpoint on adsense on webpages where you can contribute, such as wikis and for instance comments on weblogs. Then your content is subject to the same things that your emails are on gmail's servers. I don't see the difference there, agreed with regards to really personal emails, yes, you do not post them somewhere on a webserver, but still no other human eyes will see those, aside from you and the recipient. Just a machine that determines which ad could be placed along side it. (Google is a business like any other, they too want to earn money) :) Comparing with the spirit of the BBS times (with modems) a lot of interest of self-determined communication has been lost, people using skype and gmail because it is free - not caring what the price is that the have to pay or the people they are communicate with. I can't understand why people so close-fisted not spending some US$/Euros a year for a mailservice without advertisement and data mining. When more users would do this, better services would be on the market. But those systems aren't there, there isn't a nice easy to use webmail client, with a subscription-fee, that doesn't scan your email. (Hushmail scans your email on spam too, don't they?) And just agreed to Richards point: Why so many people who believe in the ideals put forward by the Neo/Openmoko project are happy to use Gmail astounds me.. If you can't deal with gmail-messages, fine, block all gmail.com My sound was wrong - I just want make you think that you are give away you and others privatcy for a free webmailservice. I don't think that your privacy is in any more danger than the internet already poses. And if it were, Google's webmail is I think the least of your worries (since its data isn't openly available). Anyone can find literally gigabytes of information on you, just by searching the web, and using commercial databases. (Go and look up Privacy is dead, get over it. This was a speech recently held by a private investigator for a 2600.org meeting in New York on the very subject of privacy and how the net threatens it.) And when the webmailer is also reason for trouble I hope my comments against gmail does only cost *me* sympathy points and *not* *OpenMoko* and I also hope that even when my sound was wrong, it creates reflection about decentral self controlled services instead of big-players data-mining solutions. I don't have the time to set up my own webserver, and even if I did, I don't have the machines to do so. So that is clearly not a solution for me, and any other solution would be impossible, if we look at your suggestion. Every other solution is namely a centralized service by a company that could be a data-miner. Sure, I love having
Re: [openmoko-announce] OpenMoko Challenges
On 2/12/07, Ryan Kline [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You have 845 people subscribed to this list who all support what you do 100%. Delays just make us want one more. All interested developers can purchase Neos starting late March. Do you have to be a developer to purchase in March? I am going to try to learn GTK+, but I doubt I will call myself a developer by then. No, every one can go buy one, just understand that the software on the device is still under revision at that point and we will hit some sharp edges I'm sure. Don't expect a 100% foolproof device that'll do everything perfectly, and you'll do just fine. :) -- Marcel de Jong ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Fake it at FOSDEM
On 2/9/07, Richard Bennett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, It's not that I have too much time on my hands or anything, I just finally got around to adding some stuff to the WIKI that I had lying around: http://www.linuxtogo.org/gowiki/OpenMoko/AtFOSDEM I actually had to rotate that image to find out what the text on the back said... :) But nicely done! Sadly I won't be at FOSDEM. :( Have a drink for me. Marcel de Jong ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: addon sleeves / casings - wish
On 1/27/07, Lars Hallberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: polz skrev: According to this image: http://www.areamobile.de/images/handies/FIC/Neo1973/200611081450Neo1973_Rot-Gruen.jpg, the Neo1973's casing is supposed to have two pairs of grooves on each side. If I look at the larger version of that picture: http://www.linuxdevices.com/files/misc/fic_traveler_handset_fic-gta001.jpg It seems more like it's a button. --- Marcel de Jong ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Possibilities for commercial software?
I'm sorry to stick my nose into this possible bees-nest. But I feel I have to object a little here. On 1/26/07, Dave Crossland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 26/01/07, Richard Boehme [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The point I bring from this is that if, for instance, TomTom has mapping software that I want to use, I shouldn't have to jump through hoops to get it. I should just be able to go into the market place, go to 'Non-Free Software', and buy the TomTom app. Your argument may be 'but every software for the phone really should be free - people will write it'. However, if someone hasn't come up with an absolutely free, modifiable mapping software, I should just be able to get the proprietary, closed version. It should be easier to do that than to look in the marketplace, conclude 'oh, this doesn't exist', and not get an OpenMoko phone because of it. You are expanding free to free to give up your freedom, which destroys the meaning of freedom with something like a Russell paradox. Freedom also means freedom to choose what software I want to run. If I want to run an OpenMoko version of the closed source program 'TomTom' for my navigation, then who are you to decide that I can't? Sure, it would be nice if every piece of software available for the OM was open sourced (under whatever licence), but we all know that there will be software that will not be opened (TomTom could be one of them). Not every person likes to be _restricted_ to only GPL-licenced software. I want to have the freedom to choose to install closed-source software as well as open sourced software, and if I have to pay for that, then that would be just fine. If you feel allowing proprietary, closed software in hurts the 'free your phone' spirit, and the market place is closed to them, it only hurts the amount of applications available for the phone. The amount of applications available for the phone is not the goal; the goal is to have a 100% free software phone. No, the goal is to have a usable phone. A phone that works, with software that people want and need. That the phone's completely free is also great, but please leave ME the freedom to choose to add closed-source to the stack too. You don't have to, but it's not up to you to say that I can't choose that. Freedom remember? (I just don't allow any DRM system to live on my machines, that is where I draw the line :)) I understand your line of reasoning, I just happen to disagree with you. I run Ubuntu here, on my home computer. But I do have Opera installed (not open-source, but still a great application), and I do have some closed sourced games installed (because there aren't a whole lot of good open source games that actually interest me). Just to name a few apps that I use regularly. -- Marcel ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Developers phone also fit for early adopters?
Hello all, I was wondering. I'm not a developer, at least not by profession; I do have a degree in it but my coding skills are very rusty, I'm a software tester (TMAP, but not yet certified). So I'm not really a developer, but I'd still like to get me a phone in March. (can't wait till November or what was it again) :) Will the developers phone be ready for usage for non-developers too? greetings, Marcel de Jong ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Free This Mailing List! (was Re: GNU discussion (was re:Free your phone))
I think we've heard the viewpoints of both sides... In my humble opinion, this whole discussion (while it showed some good viewpoints on both sides) is a bit premature. We haven't seen any documentation from the Openmoko team that suggests that they use one notation or the other. As Sean already stated; they will acknowledge the importance of GNU; how they do that is their decision. So please, let this discussion die. sincerely, Marcel de Jong On 1/25/07, Renaissance Man [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are you denying that you lied about people making demands? No one has made any demands. It is not a personal attack to point out that this is a bald faced lie. It appears farcical that you keep adding to this thread while complaining that it is being continued. If you don't like the discussion, stay out of it. But I understand why you want to drag the discussion into the gutter; you can't argue your point of view rationally so you attempt to drag the discussion down, accuse your opponents of religious fervour, and then declare the discussion silly and over. Renaissance Man On 25 Jan 2007, at 9:32 pm, David Schlesinger wrote: It might help things if you didn't continue to make bald face lies David. Not as much it would help things if you'd stop behaving like a four-year-old, and stop wasting everyone's time with exactly the sort of personal attacks you were whining about just a couple of days ago. You (still) seem to be the one who's most guilty of making them. Consistency isn't your strong suit, is it? ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Possibilities for commercial software?
Hello Ortwin, On 1/25/07, Ortwin Regel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I like open source and stuff but some things, especially games, are closed in many cases. What are the possibilities for selling closed software for OpenMoko devices? Will there be a central online marketplace? I think that there will be places for people to sell closed software. What about DRM, is there a way to bind a program to a sync ID like it's usually done with PalmOS or to a device ID? (It should be possible to bind it to an SD card ID, right?) Any creative ideas how to solve the usual issues people have with stupid DRM systems etc. and still being able to get money for software development? It's pretty clear that DRM does not work (just look at the recent 'cracking' of HDDVD and BluRay discs by one person). And I personally hope that there will be no DRM on this device. (which would be pretty hard, considering that almost everything about the phone is open source) My experience with DRM'ed products is that they only hinder your honest customers, and not the pirates. If someone wants to get your software for free, chance are (s)he can get it. The best way is just to trust your customers. sincerely, Marcel de Jong ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Developers phone also fit for early adopters?
On 1/26/07, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Marcel de Jong wrote: Hello all, I was wondering. I'm not a developer, at least not by profession; I do have a degree in it but my coding skills are very rusty, I'm a software tester (TMAP, but not yet certified). So I'm not really a developer, but I'd still like to get me a phone in March. (can't wait till November or what was it again) :) Will the developers phone be ready for usage for non-developers too? Absolutely not, sorry. This is really release early and often. It will definitely be too rough for non-developers -- that's why we are targetting September for mass market. But the software needs to be tested, right? You can't exactly expect the public to be your beta testers. (though in this 'web2.0'-age that seems to be the general approach) --- Marcel de Jong ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Developers phone also fit for early adopters?
On 1/26/07, Joe Pfeiffer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Marcel de Jong writes: On 1/26/07, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Marcel de Jong wrote: I was wondering. I'm not a developer, at least not by profession; I do have a degree in it but my coding skills are very rusty, I'm a software tester (TMAP, but not yet certified). So I'm not really a developer, but I'd still like to get me a phone in March. (can't wait till November or what was it again) :) Will the developers phone be ready for usage for non-developers too? Absolutely not, sorry. This is really release early and often. It will definitely be too rough for non-developers -- that's why we are targetting September for mass market. But the software needs to be tested, right? You can't exactly expect the public to be your beta testers. (though in this 'web2.0'-age that seems to be the general approach) Those of us drooling for one of the early phones, knowing what we're letting ourselves in for, are the beta testers... Heh, you've got a point there. I know I'm drooling for one of those. And if we can somehow backup the phone to do some testing, that'd would be great. --- Marcel de Jong ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Possibilities for commercial software?
On 1/26/07, Ortwin Regel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I share your opinions but try to tell that to some developers... :-/ They feel safer if they can bind their program to only work with one hotsync ID, one device, one SD card... Even if it does not work. It would be nice if some more developers could be convinced that selling without restrictions can work. However, that makes a central marketplace even more important: It has to be easier to find a legal copy of the game than to find a pirated one. I think that most developers that are on this list have a pretty strong opinion against DRM. --- Marcel de Jong ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Linux vs. GNU/Linux
On 1/21/07, Ole Tange [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The discussion whether to call it Linux or GNU/Linux has been going on for some time and now it is also on this mailinglist. May I suggest a compromise: If you want to call it GNU/Linux, then call it GNU/Linux, but stop bothering people that calls it Linux. If you want to call it Linux, then call it Linux, but stop bothering people that calls it GNU/Linux. Amen! If we want to make this phone a success we should not bicker on such a trivial subject, who cares if I call it Linux or GNU/Linux. I know a lot of people who call it Lunix, because they don't know it very well. You can try to tell them that it's Linux or something like that, but in my experience that doesn't work. Same with this discussion on GNU yes/no... If we want our mom and pop buy this thing it doesn't matter if they call it Lunix/Linux/GNU/Linux, as long as they call with the phone. Let's put that energy more in making the Openmoko the best phone there is, with applications that everyone wants/needs. If people ask you why you chose the one then answer them politely by personal email. /Ole -- Marcel ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
GNU discussion (was re:Free your phone)
Hello all, On this recent discussion on yes/no GNU/Linux, I saw this and that popped up a question for me: On 1/21/07, Dave Crossland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip If more people are aware of why freedom and community matter, then they will buy more products that support freedom and community, like more Neos. snip How does adding three more letters and a / increase people's knowledge on free and open software? Let's look at an example: Joe Schmoe goes into a store to buy a new phone. He sees a large selection of phones in the store. He's in the market of a smartphone, so he choses the department of smartphones. And then goes looking at the specs and the software bundled with the phone. He sees that he can choose between phones that run Microsoft Windows Mobile, Symbian, PalmOS, Nokia proprietary OS, Sony/Ericsson proprietary OS, and GNU/Linux. Then looks at the software. Okay, Windows has a nice layout, and has some really nice apps. PalmOS' UI is nicely integrated, all apps look decent, though the input system is something to get used to. Symbian looks dated and both S/E's as well as Nokia's system look clunky. The GNU/Linux package looks nice too, and look this one even has GPS built-in, and has all accessories added in the bundle for merely $350! That looks like a great system. I'll take it. Joe Schmoe doesn't care whether it's GNU/Linux or 'just' Linux. It's not as if he's going to Google GNU/Linux while he's in the store to find out the core-principles of the software. What he does care about is that It Just Works(tm). If he takes it out of the box, and charges the unit does the phone work, can he call his buddies to tell about his new acquisition, can he text his mates, can he use the calendar? It should just work, and easily without having to hack the system. (this should especially hold true for the 'consumer phone' that was announced in Openmoko's press release) Sure, credit where credit is due, and I don't see any problem with having the manual refer to GNU/Linux (but I also have no qualms if it doesn't). But I think it's a bit farfetched to attribute 3 letters and a / to all-customer awareness of the principles behind it. If someone buys the phone merely on the grounds that it runs Linux, chances are he or she is already aware of the history and ideals behind GNU and Linux. Let's not get lost in this bottomless pit of misconceptions and well-intended suggestions. And let's focus our efforts on making this phone a device which Just Works! :) This has been my two cents. -- Marcel de Jong ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Neither iPhone or OpenMoko are revolutionary
Hi renaissance man On 1/18/07, Renaissance Man [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, thanks for the interesting discussion. Sorry for riling a few people (happens when you challenge people's preconceptions). Look forward with eager anticipation to the Neo v2. Hopefully I wouldn't have been sucked into the iPhone ecosystem before then. And, to those who think I'm wrong about the combination of GSM and WiFi/VoIP in a mobile device, you're just wrong and I'll be emailing this list in 2-3 years time (with a link to this discussion) to gloat, because so many of us will be using such devices and saving millions on our phone bills. :) Renaissance Man Gloat all you want, but I ask you, who will pay the bandwidth bills? (take a guess... Yes, that's right... the user of the network, ie YOU) Sure you might save millions on phone bills, but you spend almost as much money on bandwidth bills (do you really think that municipal WiFi also means free VOIP? There is no such thing as a free lunch. Everything comes at a cost) I don't think that 'saving some money on phone bills' is a killer app. Yes, Wifi on the Neo is cool, though it would slurp battery life. Given the choice, I'd rather have a long battery life (at least 24 hours) and no Wifi, then have Wifi and only be able to use my phone for 5 hours (the estimated battery life of the iphone). Second thing. For a revolution you need people who stand behind that revolution. If Neo rev.1 would come out with Wifi, but has no or a small audience, I'd hardly call that a revolution. Let's first be sure that this isn't vaporware, get people developing for the platform, creating real killer apps, and then look into this wifi-thing. Get more users attracted to the phone, because it has this awesome program that everyone really needs, and oh yeah, it also has VOIP possibilities because of the built-in wifi... then you can claim 'revolution', but not solely on the Wifi. Currently there already are wifi enabled phones. For instance Skype phones etc. And those aren't really selling like hotcakes. Okay, indeed most aren't GSM phones, but still they have Wifi, they will also save you phone bills... Those are just my two cents, Marcel ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Neither iPhone or OpenMoko are revolutionary
On 1/18/07, Renaissance Man [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 18 Jan 2007, at 10:23 pm, Marcel de Jong wrote: I ask you, who will pay the bandwidth bills? The bandwidth bills are largely already paid (home and work are flat rate), plus free hotspots, plus there's flat rate hotspot schemes like The Cloud in Europe. Only in limited spaces, hardly a blanket over a whole country. In NL it's only at certain hotspots, and even then it's very limited bandwidth. (and expensive) Yes, Wifi on the Neo is cool, though it would slurp battery life. Given the choice, I'd rather have a long battery life (at least 24 hours) and no Wifi, then have Wifi and only be able to use my phone for 5 hours (the estimated battery life of the iphone). No, that's the estimated battery time for continuous talking, video or web browsing. They say 16 hours for continuous music playback. But no word on standby time. Presumably more than 16 hours. I don't want to play music on my phone. I just want to make calls... so for me that's about 5 or 6 hours of calling time. (sidenote: standby time is also drastically cut when you have your wifi turned on, those things can be real power consumers, my Nintendo DS can normally play for about 16 hours non-stop, when I turn on the wifi, suddenly I can only play about 8 hours non-stop, not that I do that very much) You might also be interested in reading the Truphone FAQ How is the battery life affected when using Truphone? from this page (pasted below): http://www.truphone.com/scn/blog/faq.truHow is the battery life affected when using Truphone? Truphone uses Wireless LAN (WiFi) radio as well as GSM radio in the handset, so usually you can expect that the battery life when using Truphone in 'Always on' mode is approximately half that of normal cellular (GSM and 3G) operation; for example about 2 days (rather than 4) on an E60. Talk time is usually a bit longer on WiFi than on GSM. Half of 5 hours is how much? (to go on with the iphone example) Right... 2.5 hours of talking time. And that's for the service of truphone alone... that's not including the draining that's done by the wifi-chip. BTW, do you own stock of Truphone? Or are you in any other way affiliated with that product? Just curious. Standby times are greatly affected by GSM / 2G and 3G signal strength: - Good signal 3G connections use slightly more battery than good 2G connections. - Poor signal 3G connections use much more battery than good 2G connections (when a handset is in poor coverage areas it increases its transmission power). - Very poor 3G connections that switch back and forth to 2G use more battery than a stable connection. and so on... Standby time using Truphone on Wireless LAN is not generally affected as strongly by the Wireless LAN signal strength. You can increase the battery life for Wireless LAN use by setting the phone to 'offline' - press the power button briefly and you will get a menu. Don't forget to set it back to 'General' or another active profile before you wish to make GSM calls! So they admit that there is a drop in battery life when using the product. Because, to preserve battery-life you have to turn WLAN off. Also it may be so that Truphone doesn't really affect standby time, but Truphone is only the product you use. It's not the Wifi chip that's in your phone. And it's that Wifi chip that's causing the drainage, it needs to sync regularly with your wireless router or whatever accesspoint you have. Besides it's a moot point, there is currently *no* open source low-power wifi-chip. And Sean and the rest of the OpenMoko team has indicated that they have no interest in adding a closed-source closed-spec'ed piece of hardware in there almost completely open phone. (What would then be the use of making the rest of it completely open, if they did?) I don't think anybody thinks you're wrong about it happening, and happening soon. I think if you read through you'll find quite a few comments along that line Joe. No, we just think it's improper to demand that the OpenMoko team should go back to the drawing table to add a proprietary wifi chip on the board. Completely destroying months (or perhaps years) work, and demand that they do it in a few months! (you give me the impression that you think it's no big deal to just add a little chip in it, and that they absolutely right now have to do it.) --- Marcel de Jong ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Neither iPhone or OpenMoko are revolutionary
One more thing.. let's get this perfectly clear. I'm not against Wifi-support in the Neo, some time in the future. I'd love to use it, to communicate with my pc, as a sort of fileserver or something like that. And it would make upgrading the phone a breeze. But it is not a must-have for me. It's a nice-to-have. If my wallet allows it, I will get a rev. 1 of the Neo1971. Because the wifi is not a dealbreaker for me. -- Marcel On 1/19/07, Marcel de Jong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 1/18/07, Renaissance Man [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 18 Jan 2007, at 10:23 pm, Marcel de Jong wrote: I ask you, who will pay the bandwidth bills? The bandwidth bills are largely already paid (home and work are flat rate), plus free hotspots, plus there's flat rate hotspot schemes like The Cloud in Europe. Only in limited spaces, hardly a blanket over a whole country. In NL it's only at certain hotspots, and even then it's very limited bandwidth. (and expensive) Yes, Wifi on the Neo is cool, though it would slurp battery life. Given the choice, I'd rather have a long battery life (at least 24 hours) and no Wifi, then have Wifi and only be able to use my phone for 5 hours (the estimated battery life of the iphone). No, that's the estimated battery time for continuous talking, video or web browsing. They say 16 hours for continuous music playback. But no word on standby time. Presumably more than 16 hours. I don't want to play music on my phone. I just want to make calls... so for me that's about 5 or 6 hours of calling time. (sidenote: standby time is also drastically cut when you have your wifi turned on, those things can be real power consumers, my Nintendo DS can normally play for about 16 hours non-stop, when I turn on the wifi, suddenly I can only play about 8 hours non-stop, not that I do that very much) You might also be interested in reading the Truphone FAQ How is the battery life affected when using Truphone? from this page (pasted below): http://www.truphone.com/scn/blog/faq.truHow is the battery life affected when using Truphone? Truphone uses Wireless LAN (WiFi) radio as well as GSM radio in the handset, so usually you can expect that the battery life when using Truphone in 'Always on' mode is approximately half that of normal cellular (GSM and 3G) operation; for example about 2 days (rather than 4) on an E60. Talk time is usually a bit longer on WiFi than on GSM. Half of 5 hours is how much? (to go on with the iphone example) Right... 2.5 hours of talking time. And that's for the service of truphone alone... that's not including the draining that's done by the wifi-chip. BTW, do you own stock of Truphone? Or are you in any other way affiliated with that product? Just curious. Standby times are greatly affected by GSM / 2G and 3G signal strength: - Good signal 3G connections use slightly more battery than good 2G connections. - Poor signal 3G connections use much more battery than good 2G connections (when a handset is in poor coverage areas it increases its transmission power). - Very poor 3G connections that switch back and forth to 2G use more battery than a stable connection. and so on... Standby time using Truphone on Wireless LAN is not generally affected as strongly by the Wireless LAN signal strength. You can increase the battery life for Wireless LAN use by setting the phone to 'offline' - press the power button briefly and you will get a menu. Don't forget to set it back to 'General' or another active profile before you wish to make GSM calls! So they admit that there is a drop in battery life when using the product. Because, to preserve battery-life you have to turn WLAN off. Also it may be so that Truphone doesn't really affect standby time, but Truphone is only the product you use. It's not the Wifi chip that's in your phone. And it's that Wifi chip that's causing the drainage, it needs to sync regularly with your wireless router or whatever accesspoint you have. Besides it's a moot point, there is currently *no* open source low-power wifi-chip. And Sean and the rest of the OpenMoko team has indicated that they have no interest in adding a closed-source closed-spec'ed piece of hardware in there almost completely open phone. (What would then be the use of making the rest of it completely open, if they did?) I don't think anybody thinks you're wrong about it happening, and happening soon. I think if you read through you'll find quite a few comments along that line Joe. No, we just think it's improper to demand that the OpenMoko team should go back to the drawing table to add a proprietary wifi chip on the board. Completely destroying months (or perhaps years) work, and demand that they do it in a few months! (you give me the impression that you think it's no big deal to just add a little chip in it, and that they absolutely right now have to do it.) --- Marcel de Jong
Re: Fwd: OpenMoko in my area?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Paul Bohme wrote: Mike wrote: Marcel de Jong wrote: ps. I really don't like the fact that 'reply' doesn't work on this mailinglist. I have to add the mailaddress myself. (this is the only mailinglist that I know, that does that this way) You'll want to be careful here - is an odd thing that people get really bent out of shape about.. Have no idea why. Interesting discussion: http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html What I'm missing in that 'discussion' is a valid alternative. A Thunderbird is no Elm. Sure it may work great with his email-reader(s), it sure as heck doesn't in mine. :-( oh well.. *shrug* :) greetings, Marcel -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFrBRdlO32TmuZymsRAqecAJwN4+1driWY+RmnmTiKIeqnz+crrACgjKk/ koUWT0Gu5lQchWuo8ODpzik= =b6D5 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Gaming oportunities
If the Neo has a multi touch touchscreen, we really should think outside of the box. Look at this demonstration by mr. Jeff Han to see an example of what might be possible :) http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5195605778138598326 And look at what Nintendo did with their DS. (though of course we do not have the amount of money that Nintendo has to spend on game development) - Marcel On 1/16/07, el jefe delito [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some of the easier ideas could be: 1. Tic-Tac-Toe: grid changes colour for the Red player's turn, or Blue player's turn 2. Connect Four: grid also changes colour 3. Checkers 4. Chess 5. Gem Drop (already GPL, some info here http://www.tucows.com/preview/9259 ) 6. that addictive Photo game where you have to spot the 5 differences in x seconds 7. KMines or something like MS's Minesweeper 8. Tron? :) On 1/16/07, Wil Chung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, this is my first time posting, I'm just been lurking so far. Looks like everyone, including myself is excited about openmoko. Engin's recent post on controls had me thinking: Why do we have buttons in games? But I think we had buttons to control games because early game makers didn't have direct interactivity with the game elements, and the closest thing they had were the buttons as controls. But now that we're a step closer to direct manipulation of game objects, we want to put buttons on it. I'm not sure this is the right way to go, because it seems like we're trying to retrofit things. I have to admit, tactile feedback is pretty important in how we interact with our devices. However, when it comes to playing games, I see no reason to put direction buttons, shoot and jump button as artifacts on the screen. Why not use the touchscreen as a way to directly manipulate game elements? NintendoDS could be a guide here. Just as a suggestion for first-person shooters, couldn't the tracing of the finger on the screen correspond to where the player character is looking, and a tap to shoot? And the soccer game that you just mentioned, couldn't the dribbler of the ball move to where your finger is, and pass or shoot to where you tap? the main problem with touch screen controls is you cannot give the user my hands fits on this button feeling. this feeling makes the players comfortable about controlling the characters, etc. on th screen. as i said before, also virrtual keypads can be used, or just touching can be a great idea for games... we had some experiences with touchscreen gaming, and the users mainly don't like to playimg doom-like games with a touchscreen, they feel more comfortable with arcade style games... gamers mostly used to a controlling device like joypads, mouse, or keyboards nowadays. and as we experienced, gamers like the analog joysticks of gamepads most. because it gives the feeling of really controlling the character on the screen. but with ipod usage, people used to control simple and touch input device... and now they like mainly no button idea. so that this is an advantage for touch screen games. and also people nowadays like playing arcade games on every playform (even the next-gen gaming consoles). maybe another problem is the response time of the touch screens. this could effect the gameplay experience. the main problem can be the usage of the screen. this is what Nokia N-Gage bumps onto wall. they didn't used a psp like widescreenish screen for gaming. and this became a huge limitation for game developers. If there is a vertical usage oportunity in games, then the games can be more attractive for people. i want to tell you about one of my experiences. we've developed two soccer games for mobile phones (a j2me game, not a s60 game). in the first edition we used the screen as n-gage used, people liked the game but in the second edition we usd the screen in vertical position. then the number pad became like a joypad for right hand. and the area of usage became incredibly beatiful. it triple the first edition downloads and people returned incredibly beatiful comments to us. because there was no (maybe 1-2 more) games that uses the screen of mobile phones vertical. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- be seeing you. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Wish: easy connecting with linux
I'd like it if I could connect the phone to my Linux box and share my internet connection with the phone. Previous attempts with different devices failed for me. If this process could be simplified with the Openmoko, that would be great. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Fwd: OpenMoko in my area?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Paul Bohme wrote: Mike wrote: Marcel de Jong wrote: ps. I really don't like the fact that 'reply' doesn't work on this mailinglist. I have to add the mailaddress myself. (this is the only mailinglist that I know, that does that this way) You'll want to be careful here - is an odd thing that people get really bent out of shape about.. Have no idea why. Interesting discussion: http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html Okay, indeed very interesting, but still, currently I have to click Reply All (that's two steps in Gmail) if I want to reply to the list, and then cut and paste the list email address over to the To address field (to overwrite address from the person whose message you are responding to), two more steps. That's a total of 4 steps just to reply to one message. Sue me, I'm lazy (as should be all software developers and testers) But I'll just follow those 4 steps, though it makes it kinda hard to reply to this list via a mobile phone. (you don't want to know how much KBs get wasted in those transactions) :-) - -- Marcel -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFrBIzlO32TmuZymsRAukZAJ4+MtUfOE2s3hRp/IUH/j5WR18aZACghpbY txqmohq7CelB9TqH74b60Sk= =krr2 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: What will you do with yours?
Hi all, Gmail doesn't really work with mailinglists like this :) (clicking 'reply' will have you replying with the author instead of the list itself) The intended use of the Neo1973, for me, would be pure from the end-user side. I'm not really a developer, yes I do have a degree in informatics, and I can develop software, but that's not what I intend to do with it. I want to use it as a regular user would. :) Install software and testing it. Currently I have a PDA that simply refuses to connect with my home Linux box. Which renders it useless for me. So hopefully the Neo will solve that problem for me. greetings from The Netherlands, Marcel de Jong ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/community
