another GPS idea - speed-sensitive voicemail
Use case: When I'm walking around, I'll answer the phone. When I'm driving, I won't (one phonecall == two beers worth of distraction)... but am willing to pull over if the caller thinks it's important enough. I shouldn't have to *tell* the phone what mode I'm in: GPS can provide velocity information. If my speed is over 10mph, the phone should pick up, dump a pre-recorded explanation to the caller, and let them press 1 to interrupt the driver, or just wait a few seconds and leave voicemail. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_Audio_Subsystem implies that call recording is possible, so the audio paths are there, right? If so, a lot of local voice-robot stuff is possible... (And if your thought is what if I'm a passenger - the answer is this feature is not for you, it's for me :-) (Also, if you're not an American, this feature probably isn't for you either :-) :-) ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 3G sim cards
and I am able to make outgoing calls successfully. Even got the audio working after some fuss ;) What fuss in particular? I can play audio with madplay, but have yet to get phone calls to use the speaker (the dialer connects and picks up fine...) ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Wiki application list.
In the meantime, here's what I'm finding works: Excellent list. Note that this varies build-to-build, or at least has in the last few days. I tried it out with my sim card, then moved it back to my old phone. I Same here - but after that (being in the US) I just dropped $10 cash at a T-mobile kiosk in a mall and walked away with a SIM card with a few minutes on it, so I can keep the real phone working. 3: How long does the device run on a battery? On an 850mAh nokia battery... maybe 3 hours mostly idle (not sure, I came back to find it dead.) Haven't timed it with the 1200mAh real battery, but basically, power management isn't really there yet. 4: is the uboot bootloader stable enough to make a basic model sufficient? Seems to be. I've had 0 problems with the boot loader. I followed the guidance on the wiki that says with a phase I phone, don't flash the boot loader unless you know what you're doing... so I'm not touching it until there's a substantially good reason. I've certainly replaced uImage and rootfs (you want to keep them in sync, the *modules* are all on the rootfs) a half dozen times using just the usb cable; the current uboot seems to be stable enough for the long term. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Fwd: Wiki application list.
I seem to have wiped out my GPS drivers and applications in my initial flash also. Had to - I didn't know of a way to back up before doing so. Same here - though given that the kernel couldn't find init, I'm not actually convinced that they *were* on the installed rootfs... Of course, I'd rather chime in on the reverse engineering effort, but http://projects.linuxtogo.org/projects/sphyrna is dead... ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: whee!
Andy Powell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Thursday 26 July 2007 17:08, Mark Eichin wrote: Advanced kit arrived, yay! Batteries and uSD cards were missing, boo! The phone doesn't appear to power up off of the USB cable by itself, either... Not that I want to treat you like a muppet, but you do know that there are 2 layers of stuff in the box don't you? You know like a ox of chocolates... :-) Mmmm, tasty linux chocolates. In fact, the second layer had the headset, the laser pointer, the strap, the flex-cable for the debug board, and the 2 usb cables (the debug board itself is in the upper level.) I note from the picture on http://openmoko.com/products-neo-advanced-00-develkit.html that there aren't cutouts for the batteries, either... ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: whee!
Frederic Kettelhoit [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Would it be possible to get some blueprints of the device? I don't need artist drawing, but it would be really really helpful to get the blueprints for the case (inside and outside) as soon as possible. There are reasonably high res pictures on the wiki already, aren't there? ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: whee!
Mark Eichin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Advanced kit arrived, yay! Batteries and uSD cards were missing, boo! Ok, now I feel stupid. Guess you get to call me a muppet after all :-} The batteries and cards were all wrapped together in one of the foam cutouts. I don't know how I missed it this morning, when I got home I went through every compartment to double check and they were right there. (I think I saw white, shiny and thought must be documentation. Or maybe I just hadn't had my coffee yet.) Apologies to all involved! ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Ubuntu Fiesty Kernel .deb package
Is gadgetfs separate enough that you can just use module-assistant to build it? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko_under_QEMU#Setting_up_USB_connection I'll note that the later Ubuntu kernels seem to have: CONFIG_USB_GADGET=m # CONFIG_USB_GADGET_DUMMY_HCD is not set CONFIG_USB_GADGETFS=m CONFIG_USB_FILE_STORAGE=m which is 3 of the 4 suggested (but DUMMY_HCD is probably the critical one for working with qemu.) (I'd also forgotten that module-assistant really only handles modules that are mostly outside of the kernel, so maybe it isn't much use here after all. Sorry for getting your hopes up...) ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: whee!
Marco Barreno [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm looking at that picture, and it looks to me like there are two white batteries in the lower level right by the case handle, next to the MicroSD card(s). If those two white things aren't batteries, what are they? Those look like the batteries, right. Or are you saying just that those batteries in the picture are sitting on top of the foam without cutouts, and they weren't there in your kit? That's it - the foam cutouts are a little different than in that picture... but the laser pointer in its tin has a cutout across the bottom which isn't seen in that picture either, and it looks like the batteries are sitting on top of foam. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: whee!
Jason Elwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Mark, You will find out very soon that the rootfs image you used is badly broken. gta01-20070704215706 has a bug that causes gsmd to not respond. The issue has been corrected in later builds. You can either build it yourself, or I have made a recent recent build available at http://chooseopen.com/openmoko/build/ until buildhost can catch up. Cool, thanks. (I should get my own end-to-end builds done, but having the image for showing it off to people today is useful :-) ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: whee!
Oh, right, doesn't need the debug board (which I left at home) to just install a new root filesystem: % wget http://buildhost.openmoko.org/tmp/deploy/images/openmoko-devel-image-fic-gta01-20070704215706.rootfs.jffs2 % sudo ./src/host/dfu-util/src/dfu-util -a 5 -R -D ./openmoko-devel-image-fic-gta01-20070704215706.rootfs.jffs2 dfu-util - (C) 2007 by OpenMoko Inc. This program is Free Software and has ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY Opening USB Device 0x:0x... Claiming USB DFU Runtime Interface... Determining device status: state = appIDLE, status = 0 Device really in Runtime Mode, send DFU detach request... Resetting USB... Opening USB Device... Found Runtime: [0x1457:0x5119] devnum=6, cfg=0, intf=0, alt=5, name=rootfs Claiming USB DFU Interface... Setting Alternate Setting ... Determining device status: state = dfuIDLE, status = 0 dfuIDLE, continuing Transfer Size = 0x1000 bytes_per_hash=645201 Starting download: [##] finished! state(2) = dfuIDLE, status(0) = No error condition is present Done! Resetting USB to switch back to runtime mode % (back a the uboot menu, select boot, watch text scrolling for a while) Welcome to OpenMoko! ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: whee!
Giles Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: They never do work on USB with no battery, it's just how the electronics are designed. That's good to know. Shame about the missing bits, this may be of interest however: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_Battery The battery is a one 3.7V (nominal) cell. It has internal protection circuitry, and a capacity of 1200mAh. It is apparently compatible with the Nokia BL-5C See this mailing list post These are available very inexpensively from ebay. Though quality will of course vary. However, currently Neo1973 won't charge BL-5C batteries. Hah, turns out that my Nokia 6630 uses the BL-5C as well, so I was able to boot it using one of those. That'll be enough to do a firmware update, and get them to ship a replacement... ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: whee!
Peter Trapp [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Have you checked this wiki? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/SH1 Before you start The software installed on your device is a factory variant with very limited functionality. In fact, it may not even boot Linux. Therefore, before you start, please ... (update kernel? and rootfs) There should be also a link, which describes the procedure to power it up!!! That's the way I like! Before you can start you've to HACK into!! That's why the K is in openmoko :) Well, it does boot to Kernel panic - not syncing: No init found. But it has a penguin on-screen :-) ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Broken Sim Card Reader?
Harrison Metzger [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dear community, I received my neo today and have been playing around with it a bunch. I can get any of the phone part of the phone to work. I have been playing around with the GSM AT command set and issuing commands to the modem manually and from the gsm tool. However I could not register it on the network. I looked further into it and I when i do: AT+CNUM it returns CME ERROR 10, and I looked at what that meant in the the GSM proto manual and it means SIM card not inserted. The sim card is inserted. Its an ATT prepaid simcard. I have tried it in other phones and it works, ive also tried other working sim cards (from ATT) in the neo and its a no go. I know the SIMs work, so I figure it is the neo. There was talk on IRC about 3.3v sims vs 5v, but I have no idea what to do with that. I'm stuck. I *dont* think I have a defective device, but I can't think of what else it would be. I just bought a T-Mobile (US) pay-as-you-go SIM (for hacking with until I decide to switch the old 6630 over.) Like the (ancient *OMNIPOINT*) SIM in the other phone, it didn't work the first time. Then I tapped the antenna icon with the stylus, got 3 choices - power on gsm antenna, auto register with network, power off gsm antenna. I picked power on gsm antenna... and the whole icon bar crashed :-) Then I hard powercycled it (hold down power button until the screen blanks, no menu comes up because that part is crashed) and when it came up, it was talking to the network... I know that sounds mystical, but if the pattern works for you, then maybe there's something worth diagnosing... Note: I'm using the rootfs posted earlier from http://chooseopen.com/openmoko/build/openmoko-devel-image-fic-gta01-20070726000624.rootfs.jffs2 I still haven't gotten sound out of it, but it does make and accept calls. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Ubuntu Fiesty Kernel .deb package
Is gadgetfs separate enough that you can just use module-assistant to build it? William Voorhees [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Since Ubuntu Fiesty is a pretty common distribution which doesn't encourage custom kernel building is their any possibility of having someone wrap up a .deb package based on the -generic kernel with the appropriate changes (gadgetfs) to enable USB networking? -Will ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
whee!
Advanced kit arrived, yay! Batteries and uSD cards were missing, boo! The phone doesn't appear to power up off of the USB cable by itself, either... ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: whee!
I'm sory to hear that $450 advanced set does not have everything it has to. I wonder if this could be more common thing. Did you try to contact anyone at openmoko? I responded to the RT ticket, reopening it. Hopefully that's a good enough starting point; I was also curious if anyone else saw the problem... ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Camera on GTA02
It's not the megapixels that matter, it's the quality of the lens and the quality of the CCD/CMOS. Right. My simple version of this is Cameras have lenses - phones, for the most part, don't. This is why, for me, being able to do USB *host* is a killer feature, so I can take *real* pictures and caption and flickr them, without carrying around a laptop... ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Camera on GTA02
Eric van Horssen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Mark Eichin wrote: It's not the megapixels that matter, it's the quality of the lens and the quality of the CCD/CMOS. Right. My simple version of this is Cameras have lenses - phones, for the most part, don't. This is why, for me, being able to do USB *host* is a killer feature, so I can take *real* pictures and caption and flickr them, without carrying around a laptop... Camera's with Bleutooth filetransfer would solve this problem. Yep they would. However, there are only 2 or 3 models in existance, and none of them are particularly good cameras (where approximately *all* digital cameras that already exist have a USB interface, and the FIC1973 GTA01 *can* do USB host, with a little tweaking...) and can solve the problem now :-) ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Camera on GTA02
Joshua Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I agree 100% with Coomac. Sure it would be nice if we had a Digital SLR with us at all times but that is completely impractical. Unless you are some sort of weirdo chances are you are not going to be carrying that large camera around with you everywhere you go. How rude :-) And also unobservant - subcompact point-and-shoots are coming with 10MP sensors and 10x zoom lenses with IS these days, and they're about the size of the larger phones, and have *hugely* better quality than even the N90 - and lots of people *do* carry them everywhere. The point of a camera phone is for those cases where an SLR is not available. I am also in that whole 20-something college bracket and when I had my MDA (HTC Wizard) I used my camera on a near daily basis. The same goes for a lot of people I work with, go to school with etc etc. I hear so much talk on these lists about how this is supposed to be a mass market phone and crap like it is an iPhone killer, but none of that is ever gonna happen when you are catering to a niche market. Your mistake is, perhaps, *believing* any of that (this is a very enthusiastic community but not a hugely reality-based one :-) The GTA01 is absolutely not an iPhone killer in the short term (with over a million iPhones already sold) - but there are certainly some people for whom it solves problems that the iPhone can't touch (as mentioned, USB host is the big one for me...) Let's face it maybe 0.5% of people aren't allowed to bring phones with cameras to work. Where as I bet 20-30% of people can't live with out it and the rest just don't care. I think your (made-up, uncited?) statistics are failing to take into account that the people who can't bring cameras to work (a growing number) are going to be a disproportionately large percentage of the people who *actually pay for phones* and *want smartphones in the first place*... if you look at the link posted earlier, http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/06/25/mobile_devices_who_decides/ it's more like 30% who can't have them, 15% who can't live without, and the remaining 55% who don't care... ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Multi-touch, ...
Obviously multi-touch existed a few years ago (FingerWorks was around Note that Apple *bought* FingerWorks for this technology, and presumably the associated patents. (I have some of the FingerWorks keyboards, they're a great technology on the gesturing side, but as an experienced touch-typist, they're *awful* as keyboards - I think the tech are much more suited to the iPhone than it ever was for normal keyboards, having tried both...) ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Unusual Bluetooth Gadgets?
Ben [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On 7/19/07, Mark Eichin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jeff Rush [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I was thinking this phone has so many possibilities, and one of them is neat bluetooth gadgets we could make use of. But searching I don't see a lot of innovative bluetooth gadgets to buy. It may have something to do with the license fees payable to Sony Ericsson. That might keep the chipsets expensive, but they're probably going to be expensive anyway... Has anyone seen a small bluetooth camera you can wear on your lapel? Even if it was the size of a bluetooth earpiece, it would work as a piece of jewelry on a collar. Not enough bandwidth. ?? Bluetooth 2.0 is 3Mbps. Ben Good point - for a while there Bluetooth 2.0 was mac-only and thus irrelevant, I'd missed that it had actually gotten some uptake. So far all I can find are pdas/computers, and audio devices taking advantage of the faster negotiation time (and claiming lower power use) though. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Support for Left handers
Gilles Casse [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Le dimanche 15 juillet 2007 à 20:43 +0100, Giles Jones a écrit : I don't think the visually impaired would be able to use the device anyway. It is not obvious, but I am confident that with good willing people it will become a reality. The touchscreen is more of a problem than anything else; a friend of mine uses a Nokia with some Symbian app that speaks the UI and SMSes, and he can feel the keys just fine... if the wheel can be clicked too, that might be enough, maybe. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Neo1973 Update!
Well, GTA-01 is now definitely dead on arrival. Without finished software is hasn't any chance. My bet: it won't be sold at all, nobody would buy it now. GTA-02 will be the first model on sale. Am I correct? Not a chance. It's a common mistake (sometimes called The Osborne Mistake after Osborne self-cannibalized (around 1982) by releasing upgrade specs for a future machine that they didn't survive long enough to sell) but it isn't one that applies here: * the GTA-01 is late enough that noone is going to expect the GTA-02 before 2008 (or maybe 2009 :-} ) * the market for the early-adopter -01 wasn't that big anyway, and they'll probably still sell every unit they make, because they haven't made that many - but they'll sell to the right people to make the next models more interesting to the broader audience * people we trust on this list have been very forthcoming about the process (after all, if we *didn't* expect a much improved GTA-02 why would anyone take the GTA-01 seriously as a platform?) ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
USB host connector? (was Re: Battery powered charging/USB hub)
Speaking of USB -- the openmoko has a USB device port on the side (that's being discussed in this thread) and internally has a USB host, according to http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Category:Neo1973_Hardware#USB_Host but I what I haven't seen clarified - is the USB host port brought outside at all? (At a high level, my use case is take pictures from my real camera and upload them directly to flickr :-) That requires either an SD slot, or USB host to talk to the card directly (or USB to talk to the camera, but that's less portable.) I'm trying to see if I can do this with the FIC1973, possibly with simple warrantee violating hardware enhancements...) ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
