Re: gta02 as gps/navigator (in 2016)

2016-01-26 Thread Nick
Quoth Davide Scaini:
> Another option would be buying something like the DragonBoard 410c​ and
> find a small touch screen to plug. Any idea about a
> cheap+decent+small+waterproof touchscreen?

Or get a mainstream satnav and put exclusively free software on it.  
That would probably be the cheapest option. Are there projects to do 
this?  I presume they all run Linux anyway, but maybe not enough 
people are interested.

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Re: greetings from the freecalypso project

2015-11-16 Thread Nick
Quoth m...@dmatthews.org:
> Please excuse touch of plug and slight bit of off-topic-ness, but just to let 
> anyone here with interest in free (as in source code available) baseband 
> firmware, that the freecalypso project is making strides.

Congratulations folks. I haven't had the time or energy to 
participate in the project at all, but I'm really glad you're making 
such good strides.

Keep it up! :)

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Re: GTA02 PCB layout files found!

2015-04-11 Thread Nick
Hi Spacefalcon,

Quoth Spacefalcon the Outlaw: 
 I am overjoyed to announce that the original PCB layout files for
 Openmoko GTA02 have been located and published. 

This is fantastic news, I'm very pleased!

Where does that leave the indiegogo campaign? Is the money not 
needed now? Eventually you'll need more funds, presumably, for the 
production parts of the project. Speaking of which, are you planning 
to sell the phones you produce yourself, eventually? Or outsource 
it?

Anyway, great news, horrah :)

Nick

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Re: Free phone: smart or not?

2015-03-17 Thread Nick
Quoth Spacefalcon the Outlaw: 
 But I just can't help but wonder:
 are you using your FR because it's free or because it's a smartphone?

I'm using it because it's free, plus I don't like replacing 
electronics which are still working. For me the FR is just an 
incredibly inefficient and somewhat hard to use dumbphone.

That said, I do like the idea of having access to strong encryption 
for SMS type messages and voice, but the way to do that which is 
compatible with what other people use is to use android apps that 
communicate over the internet. Which would require a much more 
complex device than a dumbphone, sadly.

Nick

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Re: OT: Ubuntu phone HTML5 / QML

2015-03-16 Thread Nick
Quoth g...@unixarea.de: 
 I'm using since 2008 the FR as my one and only cellphone. This is not
 lying, it is just a fact. And I do not know any other person from this
 list who is doing so.

I am too. The only thing that makes me tempted to switch phones is 
redphone or chatsecure, basically. The GTA02 sucks, in some ways, 
but I have no plans to buy a less free phone than it, so I'll stay 
where I am for now. If my GTA02 broke I'd probably get whatever 
phone was best supported by the replicant project, second hand, but 
it's a pleasingly solid piece of hardware :)

Nick


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FreeCalypso status

2014-09-19 Thread Nick
Hi Michael and others,

I just returned back to a land where I can actually use GSM (without 
switching network), so now seems like a good time to go back to my 
FreeRunner and give the FreeCalypso firmware a whirl.

The uSD slot in my freerunner is broken, so I figure these 
instructions would be best for me:
http://www.matthews.pm/freerunner/leo2moko-p3.html 

And am I correct in thinking that the latest revision of FreeCalypso 
is this: 
ftp://ftp.ifctf.org/pub/GSM/FreeCalypso/leo2moko-r1-bin.tar.bz2

Am I correct in thinking that once flashed, the phone should work 
indistinguishably to the official firmware? SMS  voice both fully 
work?

Do you still want calibration data? I can send it along if you like.

Finally, is there some way I can donate to you for this stuff?

Thanks,

Nick

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Re: [QtMoko] GSM not turning on / registering

2014-05-20 Thread Nick
Quoth Michael Spacefalcon: 
 Because I am the kind of guy who finds it easier to write his own
 program than to learn how to use one that already exists, I've been
 using my own ad hack tool called engcons to talk AT commands to the
 modem in my Neo FR.  The engcons.c source is appended at the end of
 this post; you'll need to compile and run it on your FR.  Use it like
 this:
 
 # stop QtMoko
 /etc/init.d/qtmoko-neo stop
 # power-cycle the modem
 echo 0  /sys/bus/platform/devices/gta02-pm-gsm.0/power_on
 echo 1  /sys/bus/platform/devices/gta02-pm-gsm.0/power_on
 # run engcons to talk AT commands
 engcons /dev/ttySAC0 r115200
 
 Once you do the above, you should be in a state where you can type AT
 commands and see the expected responses.  Try AT+CGMI, AT+CGMM, AT+CGMR,
 AT+CFUN=1, AT+COPS and AT+COPS=?, and post the results you get.

OK, I compiled engcons.c on my FR. It took a bit of doing, 'cos the 
uSD reader is broken, so I am very space-limited (so apt-get doesn't 
work), but eventually I got gcc  libc6-dev installed with dpkg.

Interesting results:

root@neo:~# ./engcons /dev/ttySAC0 r115200
Starting session
AT-Command Interpreter ready
OK
AT+CGMI
+CGMI: FIC/OpenMoko
OK
AT+CGMM
+CGMM: Neo1973 GTA01/GTA02 Embedded GSM Modem
OK
AT+CGMR
+CGMR: GSM: gsm_ac_gp_fd_pu_em_cph_ds_vc_cal35_ri_36_amd8_ts0-Moko11
OK
AT+CFUN=1
OK
AT+COPS=?
+COPS: (1,T-Mobile ,T-Mobile,310260)
OK

In a different session I ran AT+COPS, but it never seemed to return, so
I cycled the modem power and started again, and AT+COPS=? returned.

If I'm not mistaken the above means that only T-Mobile is found.  
Which I'm guessing implies that ATT have decided to turn off GSM 
here. Which would be ... annoying.

Nick

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Re: [QtMoko] GSM not turning on / registering

2014-05-19 Thread Nick
Quoth Michael Spacefalcon:
 Nick openmoko-commun...@njw.me.uk wrote:
 
  The phone that works is 3G, and it doesn't seem to have a 'force 2G' 
  option anywhere.
 
 The option in question often goes by different names: it may also be
 named network type or network selection etc, with the choices
 being GSM or WCDMA or both.  Try selecting GSM if you can find the
 elusive option.

Hmm, I didn't see anything like that even, but I'll take another 
look tonight.

  I'm in the Greater Boston area,
 
 Ahh - I didn't realize you were still here in the States - I remember
 you asking on this list a few months ago about GSM frequency bands in
 USA, with the intention of traveling to Boston area, but it was back
 in February, so I thought the trip was over and you were back home in
 the UK.

Yeah, I'm here for 6 months. It's a good place :)

 How long ago have you arrived in Boston?  Is the FR-not-working
 problem something that happened upon arrival in USA, or has it been
 working for you for a while in this part of the world?

No, it has worked fine (well, in fact) for the past couple of 
months, so it definitely *can* work here.

 Ahh, so you decided to be adventurous and use ATT instead of the more
 tried  tested T-Mobile.  Before we spend an inordinate amount of
 effort figuring out why your FR doesn't work on ATT in Boston,
 perhaps you could try a T-Mobile SIM card just as a quick test?  If
 you don't have one, just go into any T-Mobile store and ask them to
 borrow a SIM for a few minutes to test in your phone while inside
 their store.

I may end up doing that, but there isn't a T-Mobile store very 
conveniently located for me, so I'll at least try some fun logging 
of AT commands first.
 
 Also if there is any chance you might visit California before you go
 back to the UK, we could meet up and do some GSM hacking together. :)

Aah, that would be nice, but no, I don't think I'm going to get to 
the west coast this trip. It sounds like something well worth doing, 
and someday I'll make it there. I'll let you know if my plans change 
and I end up in California. Similarly, let me know if you come to 
Boston. :)

  Basically because I just want a dumbphone that works, really, so 
  tend towards laziness regarding my phone nowadays.
 
 If you are using your FR as an oversized dumbphone, have you considered
 using a real dumbphone instead?  You might want to grab a Mot C139 on
 ebay while they are still available - it is one of the models which I
 am using for FreeCalypso firmware bring-up (along with the Neo FR and
 Pirelli DP-L10) before building my own dumbphone hardware, and it has
 the advantage of being a very simple dumbphone with full schematics
 available (unlike the Pirelli).

Hmm... I'll consider it...

Thanks, and expect some nice AT output later.

Nick

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Re: [QtMoko] GSM not turning on / registering

2014-05-19 Thread Nick
Alright, I'll go to a T-Mobile shop (or reseller) in the next few 
days to get a test SIM.

In the meantime, I tried running the AT commands with socat, but 
didn't get very far. Maybe I'm using socat incorrectly - I haven't 
done it before, so forgive my ignorance. Following is the transcript 
from my console session (done over ssh from my laptop):

root@neo:~# socat - file:/dev/ttySAC0,crtscts,crnl
~
+CREG: 3
 ~~
ERROR
@~~
%CSQ:  18, 99, 2
 ~~
+CIEV: 1, 3
 ~AT+COPS=?
ATE1
~
%CSQ:  15, 99, 1
 ~~
+CIEV: 1, 2
 ~AT+CFUN=1
AT+CGMI

The commands 'AT+COPS=?', 'ATE1', 'AT+CFUN=1', 'AT+CGMI' were 
entered by me. I'm guessing I should have seen at least a 'OK' or 
'ERROR' message, so maybe I'm using socat incorrectly?

I don't have a 3G USB modem, unfortunately.

I'm pretty surprised that the carriers are decommissioning 2G in the 
USA. Crazy bastards.

Thanks for your continued help.

Nick

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Re: [QtMoko] GSM not turning on / registering

2014-05-18 Thread Nick
Apologies for not replying sooner. Thanks for the replies.

I tried the SIM in another phone and it does work, and another SIM 
in this one does not (both the same network).

Quoth Michael Spacefalcon:
 What modem firmware version is this?

Revision is:
GSM: gsm_ac_gp_fd_pu_em_cph_ds_vc_cal35_ri_36_amd8_ts0-Moko11

So Moko11, I guess ;)

 Since the GSM modem is no longer an impenetrable black box, you could
 try debugging the apparently misbehaving modem using standard Free
 Software debugging methods: study the source and the documentation,
 and make use of the modem debug interface accessible via the headset
 jack.
 
 Start by taking QtMoko high-level software out of the equation and
 talking AT commands directly to the modem:
 
 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_GSM
 
 Try the AT commands shown on that wiki page, and tell us the results.
 That right there might spot an issue.

That's a good idea. I'm hitting a snag before I get very far, 
though. Namely that I don't know which process is in charge of the 
GSM, so which one to kill to stop the phone accessing.

lsof would probably tell me, but I can't install it because it's 
tough to get the wifi to work (which I generally don't care about).  
Can somebody who knows QtMoko advise which process to kill?  There 
is no gsmd, as suggested on the OM wiki.

Thanks,

Nick

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Re: [QtMoko] GSM not turning on / registering

2014-05-18 Thread Nick
Quoth Michael Spacefalcon:
 Nick openmoko-commun...@njw.me.uk wrote: 
  I tried the SIM in another phone and it does work, and another SIM 
  in this one does not (both the same network).
 
 OK, good observation.  The problem is now narrowed down to the FR,
 rather than network coverage in your area, your service subscription
 or the SIM issued for it.
 
 There is one more thing we need to check before proceeding further,
 though.  That other phone you used to confirm your SIMs as good, what
 kind of phone is it?  Is it 2G or 3G?  If the latter, please look
 through its menus and see if there is an option to force 2G mode.
 The reason for this exploration is to eliminate the possibility that
 GSM (aka 2G) service in your geographical area stopped working,
 knocking out Free Firmware phones while closed proprietary Apple/
 Samsung/GTA04/etc still work on UMTS..

The phone that works is 3G, and it doesn't seem to have a 'force 2G' 
option anywhere. I'm in the Greater Boston area, so I can't imagine 
the phone company could just have turned off 2G here yet; there are 
too many subscribers around.

 Assuming that your email TLD matches your location, you are doing this
 in the UK, right?  Do you know if your service provider operates a
 900 MHz GSM network, a 1800 MHz one, or both?

As I said, I'm in the USA now, and I'm on ATT, FWIW.

  Revision is:
  GSM: gsm_ac_gp_fd_pu_em_cph_ds_vc_cal35_ri_36_amd8_ts0-Moko11
  So Moko11, I guess ;)
 
 Any particular reason you have not yet upgraded to leo2moko-r1 aka
 moko12?  While it is very unlikely that performing this fw update will
 fix the problem, running fw with a published Corresponding Source and
 a linker map listing will likely be a prerequisite for some of the
 more advanced troubleshooting steps, so you might as well do it now..

The only reason is laziness. I like following your work very much, 
and am glad you're doing it, and planned to upgrade eventually.

I might as well do it now indeed... Will do so tomorrow, when I 
debug this further.

   http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_GSM
  [...]
  That's a good idea. I'm hitting a snag before I get very far, 
  though. Namely that I don't know which process is in charge of the 
  GSM, so which one to kill to stop the phone accessing.
 
 According to this web page:
 
 http://winterveldt.co.za/leo2moko-p3.html
 
 the command you need is:
 
 /etc/init.d/qtmoko-neo stop
 
 (Whether the intent is to talk manual AT commands to the modem or to
  reflash it, the step of stopping QtMoko should be the same.)

Ah great, thanks, that sounds like just the ticket.

  lsof would probably tell me, but I can't install it because it's 
  tough to get the wifi to work (which I generally don't care about).  
 
 Huh?  WiFi?  While you do need an ssh connection into the Neo, why
 does it have to be WiFi?  Doesn't QtMoko support eth-over-usb
 networking like the others?

It does, I expect, I just haven't set it up to do that yet.  
Basically because I just want a dumbphone that works, really, so 
tend towards laziness regarding my phone nowadays.

 HTH,

It certainly does, thanks, I'll report back tomorrow.

Nick

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[QtMoko] GSM not turning on / registering

2014-05-16 Thread Nick
Hi all,

I haven't been using my phone much recently, but it's always been 
reasonably reliable when I have. Today I turned it on, and all day 
it has just said searching for network. I haven't moved, and I'm 
in an urban enough place that I don't think it's plausible for a 
tower to have gone down or something.

I'm not sure where to go or what to look for to debug this. I've 
restarted the phone multiple times without success.

Any advice?

Thanks,

Nick

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Re: [QtMoko] GSM not turning on / registering

2014-05-16 Thread Nick
Quoth Andrew Schenck:
 Does the info in System Info - Modem and SIM look reasonable?

It does, yes, to my untrained eye; no not found or anything like 
that. Is there anything specific I should be looking for?

Nick

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Forcing SMS from SIM to QtMoko

2014-03-01 Thread Nick
Hi all,

Today QtMoko came up with a message that there was a new SMS 
message, which I dismissed. However the message doesn't seem to have 
reached the Messages program. I suspect it's still on the SIM card 
for some reason. Is there a way of forcing QtMoko to download all of 
the messages from the SIM?

Quite possibly related, soon afterwards I got a warning saying that 
I was running out of disk space (~10% left). I freed some, so that's 
no longer an issue. It's annoying though, 'cos the uSD reader no 
longer works :(

Thanks in advance,

Nick

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Re: GSM frequency bands in the USA

2014-02-26 Thread Nick
First, please can you try to keep things civil and respectful (even 
if you feel provoked)? This list has become quite draining recently.

Quoth elhennig:
 And you really think this matters to users of phones which band the phone is
 currently using?

Well it matters to me, because 850MHz is unlikely to work 
particularly well with my GTA02. So I was very glad for the report.

Nick

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Re: GSM frequency bands in the USA

2014-02-25 Thread Nick
Thanks all for your responses.

I'll be going to the Boston area, so if you don't hear me 
complaining about it not working sometime soon, presume it's working 
fine ;)

 Yup, that's the band I've been using here for all my 
 cellphone-using
 life.  I have yet to use a phone with 850 MHz capability - this
 secondary USA band is a relatively recent addition (a spectrum
 reallocation from AMPS, it seems), and back in 2003 when I got my
 first Mot V66 (the subsequent ones have been from ebay), all phones
 officially sold in USA with carrier branding were 1900 MHz only or
 900/1800/1900 MHz world phones like that Mot V66!

It's interesting to hear that 850MHz is a quite recent addition, 
thanks, that makes me feel even more confident about my GTA02's 
chances.

Nick

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Re: QtMoko current status

2014-02-21 Thread Nick
On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 12:01:33PM +0100, Radek Polak wrote:
 Power while suspended has improved very much with 2.6.39. For me it is ~6mA 
 which makes nearly 200 hours in standby.

So what's the current status of QtMoko? Did removing the wifi module
make suspending reliable now? Is there anything else that is an
issue for using the phone everyday? v55 is adequate for me at
present, but I'd be very happy to upgrade to v58 if it's not likely
to just stop working when it suspends, sometimes.

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Re: changing IMEI

2014-02-20 Thread Nick
joerg Reisenweber wrote:
 On Thu 20 February 2014 15:27:33 Neal H. Walfield wrote:
  and am careful to tunnel all of my data
  via Tor

 Err, right. For that usecase it might work - until you do
 *anything* that gives away your ID

You still have location anonymity though. An adversary may identify
that someone is accessing an email account through the Tor network,
but not where they are.

 Recent tests have revealed that at least 20 nodes in Tor are trying to break 
 into your encrypted data transmission.

That issue was explained in more detail at:
https://blog.torproject.org/blog/what-spoiled-onions-paper-means-tor-users
The bad relays were blocked as soon as they were discovered. The Tor
project is damn good at discussing and presenting vulnerabilities in
the open, and figuring out best ways of mitigating / defeating them.

 It'd widely known that Tor is infiltrated by agencies.

From the Snowden disclosures so far, they actually have not been
very successful at breaking Tor at all. Far less so than most
people expected, really.

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Re: IMEI changing kit for GTA02

2014-02-19 Thread Nick
On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 10:19:12AM +0100, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
 According to http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2002/31/section/1 it is a 
 full (not semi) offence with up to 5 years in prison in the UK.
 
 And even possessing such a tool isn't allowed:
 
 http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2002/31/section/2

Eugh. What a horrible piece of legislation. What *should* happen is
that it should be repealed now that mobile phone theft is far less
than it was when it was drafted, and known abuses of surveillance
are far higher. I have precisely zero faith in anything like that
happening, particularly in the UK.

Although, reading section 1(3)(b) of the first legislation, it looks
like it's legal if the manufacturer permits it in writing. So someone
at OM should say yeah, sure, whatever, which would make us a
little safer ;)

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Re: Focus of development [was: IMEI changing kit for GTA02]

2014-02-19 Thread Nick
On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 10:55:05AM +0100, Matthias Apitz wrote:
 I use my GTA02 FR as my daily phone, running a SHR from 2012. I have no
 other cellphone (if I do not count the Nokia of my son or the Nokia of
 my wife), i.e. I _highly_ depend on working phone features (call, SMS).
 And IMHO this should be our primary focus for an OpenSource cellphone,
 because my FR sometimes fails in accepting calls, often fails in
 receiving SMS, not always works up from suspend, the people I call are
 blaming me for my poor voice, etc.

I'd recommend you give qtmoko a try. I used to run SHR, but have
found qtmoko more reliable. It still occasionally screws up (failing
to unsuspend [though this looks like it's fixed in the new version],
and once failing to make outgoing calls), but in general it's a
pretty good experience. Plus it's actually maintained.

 Maybe others have other focus, because they use whatever iPhone or
 Android for phone features and are more interested in such hacks. I do
 not (without underestimating the intelectual work).

This has always been a community interested in hacks ;)

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Re: Focus of development [was: IMEI changing kit for GTA02]

2014-02-19 Thread Nick
Quoth Michael Spacefalcon:
 Hence the solution is to build a new Free Dumb Phone that will be a
 semi-clone of this Pirelli DP-L10, with some additional freedom
 enhancements thrown in.

Any more hints as to what additional freedom enhancements you have 
planned?

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Re: Resume bug on 2.6.39 kernel identified! (was QTMoko v55 GTA02 flash issue)

2014-01-21 Thread Nick
On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 08:15:27AM +0100, Radek Polak wrote:
 I tried rmmod ar6000 and i cant reproduce my resume issues anymore! I had 
 running my dial script over night. Freerunner now shows 333 succesful 
 resumes, 
 while it used to fail after 30 resumes before.
 
 So please if you are using 2.6.39 kernel edit /etc/modules, remove or comment 
 out line with ar6000, reboot and report if your resume issues are gone.

Good news Radek, thanks for the update. I haven't upgraded from v55
to v58 yet, mostly because of the unreliable suspend issue, but I
shall certainly do so soon!

Thanks again for your continued work.

Nick

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Re: [Community] GTA04A5 / Letux 2804

2014-01-17 Thread Nick
Quoth Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller:
 Am 16.01.2014 um 21:31 schrieb Michael Spacefalcon:
 
  Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com wrote:
  
  Why do you assume that your (IMHO unlawful) procedure done to free the
  Calypso is not possible for a Qualcomm modem?
  
  Because all modern baseband processors (MTK, Qualcomm etc) have ROM
  bootloaders which perform cryptographic verification of downloaded fw
 
 I don't know, but isn't *that* something you should fight against instead of 
 modifying
 leaked firmware for a system that never has been locked?

It is something that should be fought, certainly, but I am more 
interested in having free firmware for one device than just 
complaining to manufacturers. Doing much of the latter will lead to 
you feeling disempowered, doing much of the former is quite the 
opposite.

Thanks Michael for your continued work in this area, and for the 
recent progress updates.

Nick

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Re: QtMoko v58 - best way to upgrade

2013-12-22 Thread Nick
Many thanks Radek for keeping QtMoko going! My FreeRunner has been 
my daily phone for about the last year thanks to it, and it 
generally works really well.

Can I upgrade to v58 by just doing a 'apt-get update  apt-get 
dist-upgrade', or should I flash it afresh?

Nick

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Re: First small steps toward free GSM firmware

2013-11-10 Thread Nick
Quoth Norayr Chilingarian:
 What I would write in wiki is step by step instructions how to build the
 firmware, free loader, and flash it.
 I don't think it can confuse someone in some way.
 
 What about moderation, then, well, what you are saying is against
 collaborative work, like it is in Wikipedia.
 Everyone, by even not having Wikipedia account could go and write
 everything he wants. However, as we see, there are more sane people
 rather than idiots, and Wikipedia is mostly correct.

I think Joerg was worried about you writing a page saying this 
firmware improves power consumption before more testing and 
consulting with more knowledgeable people. I'm sure we all agree 
that a place to discuss ideas and possibilities (as wrong as they 
may turn out to be) is valuable, but Joerg has no doubt been around 
long enough to have to deal with the fallout of those discussions / 
conjectures being left in places where people take theories that had 
been disproved elsewhere as fact, and shared the disinformation 
wider. Which ultimately can give a bad impression to a project, as 
well as bad experience to others.

Which is a long way of saying: the mailing list is the best place 
for discussion, and the wiki should be reserved for things which we 
are more sure about. So instructions on building and loading the 
firmware would be fine for the wiki, but speculations about its 
power saving (or sms receiving) improvements are best for the 
mailing list. Which I know is what you suggested, but that wasn't 
clear initially.

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Re: First small steps toward free GSM firmware

2013-10-16 Thread Nick
Quoth Balint Szente:
 On Wed, 16 Oct 2013 11:49:30 +0300
 Timo Juhani Lindfors timo.lindf...@iki.fi wrote:
 
  Norayr Chilingarian nor...@arnet.am writes:
   Sorry if my questions are a little bit off topic. Anyway I am very
   interested in free fw for my devices - OM gta-02 and n900.
  ^^^
  
  Afaik the firmware in question won't meet the FSF free software
  definition or OSI open source definition since you don't have a
  license that lets you share and change it legally. If you want free
  software firmware that runs on gta02 you can take a look at osmocombb.
 
 Isn't the situation the same with osmocombb as well?
 
 Based on what is written here:
 http://bb.osmocom.org/trac/wiki/LegalAspects#Usingmodifiedphonesoncarriernetworks
 can osmocombb considered free software in FSF's or OSI's definition?
 What is not clear for me is that can a software be FSF/OSI free but
 illegal to use?

The situation with osmocombb is similar, but not the same. In both 
cases the software is practically modifiable and redistributable, 
but not legally so. In the case of OsmocomBB, I think redistribution 
would be fine, it's just using it that would be forbidden. In the 
case of this firmware, it's forbidden to use it for the same reason, 
but there are also copyright claims which would disallow 
redistribution as well.

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Re: Building a new totally free phone

2013-09-03 Thread Nick
 by violence.

  With this in mind, I do wonder why the OsmocomBB work isn't 
  appropriate as a base for your work? Can you explain this a bit more 
  why it isn't?
 
 For two reasons:
 
  Is it just that they are quite a long way from 
  producing a complete firmware for a phone?
 
 That's one reason.  The other is a personal/moral one.  The leader of
 that project is Harald Welte, and I have strong reasons to suspect
 that many of its other major contributors are also members of that
 elite clique of people who are sitting on copies of the Closedmoko
 hoardware and not sharing.  I'm not going to contribute to a project
 led by such people.

I think it's a pity not to work with such people. They are still 
working to increase user freedom, albeit with more respect for NDAs 
than they perhaps deserve (as Joerg mentioned, ability to continue 
to get good employment doing free software likely plays a role, 
which is a pretty good reason). But anyway, I'll cheerlead and 
celebrate (and hopefully find a way to help) any work towards a 
fully free phone, and your focus on producing a handset is great.

Nick

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Re: Going outside - GTA04 website

2013-08-24 Thread Nick
Hi Sebastian,

Just a quick reply as I must dash.

Your draft design looks great, I really like it.

I'm not sure about the text about ethics of manufacturing - while it 
is assembled in Germany, the components are sourced from factories 
with potentially similar working conditions to other phones, they 
use materials that are sourced in horrible ways and conditions, and 
so on.

There has been some discussion here in the past about how we as a 
community absolutely don't have the leverage with suppliers (at 
least unless we were to grow a lot), so unfortunately I don't think 
this can change soon.

But this does look great - good work!

Nick

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Re: Building a new totally free phone

2013-08-23 Thread Nick
Your free phone idea appeals to me enormously, Michael. And I, 
(unlike I suspect some others on the list) very much like your 
framing of the issues, too. I fully support the idea that if a law 
makes private conversation illegal, it is a bad law, and regulatory 
blocks on GSM that forbid inspectable and modifiable cannot but be 
such.

However, can GSM really be a base for secure communication anyway?  
I've heard that the encryption used is really crappy, and while some 
things like MITM forced reregistration to disable encryption and 
ease surveillance could be countered by appropriate phone settings, 
if the best encryption algorithm available can be cracked by a home 
PC in a few days, you're still screwed.

A truly free phone is a worthy and very important thing for other 
reasons, but could such a thing be strongly secure too? Or is the 
only solution there to rely on something like ZRTP in voip, and give 
up wishing that GSM could provide security?

I've always been somewhat vague about how modems and their 
processors interact with other parts of a system. Am I correct in 
thinking that once the first firmware part of your project was 
complete, one could flash load that the GTA02 modem, and have a (far 
more 'smart' and Linux-y than you're ultimately planning) free 
openmoko phone? Or would the modem firmware have to be programmed 
differently for the GTA02 compared to your feature phone? While I am 
more interested in a feature phone than a 'smart' phone, I would be 
very happy to have a really free modem firmware on my GTA02 in the 
meantime.

It's interesting to think of the meanings of 'free' in your message.  
Because one of the nice things of free software traditionally has 
been the ability to say it's free software, so I can do what I like 
with it, and you can't invoke state violence against me for doing 
so, due to a careful 'respect' of the copyrights of people who 
don't want their stuff to be free. While regulatory reigimes 
seemingly make this impossible anyway with GSM, I don't relish the 
idea of essentially giving more power to other people to wield the 
law against the project or its' users. But I understand that writing 
a firmware from scratch for something like the Calypso would be a 
massive amount of work, and I would rather have a reusable and 
inspectable firmware that breaks copyright law, than none at all, 
particularly for something as directly dangerous to one's security 
as a phone.

With this in mind, I do wonder why the OsmocomBB work isn't 
appropriate as a base for your work? Can you explain this a bit more 
why it isn't? Is it just that they are quite a long way from 
producing a complete firmware for a phone?

 And because it is so totally incomprehensible to my mind how someone
 can be like you, and be able to live with yourself while watching
 someone else's life wither away because of your selfishness, I find
 myself at a complete loss as to how one should interact with people
 like you.

I do think you need to be more careful, kind, and forgiving of 
perceived differences, when speaking to others in the community.  
We're all in a similar position here, working towards helping people 
communicate freely. Sure, people have different things they will 
compromise in order to try to effect this, but ultimately I find it 
hard to believe that anybody in the openmoko community isn't here in 
large part because of their wish to see people able to freely 
communicate.

It's fine and healthy to not always agree with others about what 
compromises are appropriate, and to argue to try to figure out what 
the best course of action is, but it is unjust to assume malice,
and saying what I've quoted above (regardless of how true it may feel)
is likely to just turn people off to you. We need all the solidarity 
we can muster, and we need to celebrate the work people are doing, 
and try to respect them, and their differences. Even - nay, 
especially - if there are major differences that you can't 
understand.

I look forward very much to hearing your progress with your project.  
If there's something I as an enthusiastic but comparitively ignorant 
volunteer can do to help, let me know!

Nick

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OpenPhonix?

2012-06-12 Thread Nick Sheppard

On 02/06/12 17:36, pike wrote:



... We arent voting,
but if we were, Phonix would be my #1
(phone,unix,phoenix), and Phonux #2
(phone,linux,phoenix).



Actually I agree, OpenPhonix is good, better than OpenPhonux.

It's nearer to phoenix in English AND German (where it can be spelled 
with an o-umlaut instead of oe?) and broadening from linux to *nix in 
general can only be good. NetBSD anyone?  And in the future, maybe those 
new microkernels like L4 and Minix3?  But we do know it will be a *nix 
of some kind.


Also, if I say Phonux and Phonix, I find myself not pronouncing the 
second vowel very clearly. Because it's not stressed it comes out more 
as an uh sound than a clear vowel, and I think someone half-hearing me 
would be more likely to guess ix than ux. So I think the 
pronunciation suggests the spelling better with OpenPhonix, and it's 
easy to remember the correct spelling after only a quick glimpse of the 
word (not true of OpenPhoenux, I think ... :) ).


And, the other way round, I think native speakers of a lot of different 
languages would end up reading OpenPhonix aloud in the same way.  The 
fact that we English-speakers have just found out that we've been 
mispronouncing OpenPhoenux all this time means (I think) that there is 
room for improvement here.


And, to a stranger to the project, it presents the most important 
information first: it's an OpenPhone, using Unix.  Once they learn more, 
the fact that it sounds like phoenix said in German (most 
appropriate!) will emerge like a sort of good aftertaste.


So, we aren't voting, but if we were, I would be switching my vote to 
OpenPhonix.



On 11/06/12 22:58, pike wrote:
 Hi

...

 I feel sort of idiot trying to emphasize how important
 I think this is. But I do. Here I go again.

 It's the first impression. All the connotations that
 bubble up with the name, define, in a split second,
 just how much attention people are going to give it.
 And all those split seconds together could
 make the difference between a thriving userbase
 or a bunch of hardcore hobbyists.

 Both are great goals ofcourse. But if you want to
 change the world fundamentally, take the branding
 seriously all the way. Learning from Apple ?

 $2c,
 *-pike


I agree with all of this.  Words are important, and naming is important. 
 Worth a bit of discussion, anyway.


Nick Sheppard


PS:  Google gives only two hits for openphonix.  One is a misspelling 
for openphonyx, which is in use, and the other seems to be a Twitter id.


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Re: Phoenux, Phoneux, Phonux?

2012-06-11 Thread Nick Sheppard

On 11/06/12 07:15, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:



 it should be phon-ugs.



That's what I should have asked about - pronunciation rather than 
spelling.  Because (as an English speaker) I've been pronouncing 
OpenPhoenux as open-fee-nux (like the legendary phoenix, fee-nix or 
fii-nix in English).


I've only just realised (Duh!) that the oe is an o-umlaut and 
therefore more like an o sound.  But I think that most English 
speakers would make the same mistake.


That's why I thought the OpenPhonux spelling was good - it forces 
English speakers to say it your way.  (As well as looking more like 
Phone on paper.)


I'll be careful to say phon-ugs from now on!

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Phoenux, Phoneux, Phonux?

2012-06-02 Thread Nick Sheppard

On 31/05/12 16:36, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
...

 4. Nomenclature OpenPhoneux/GTA04

 There may be some confusion what GTA04 and OpenPhoneux
 are and what makes them different.

 We define:
 * GTA*: the next generation motherboard(s), i.e. electronics
 * OpenPhonux: the future independent mobile handheld project
 aiming at complete devices (i.e. GTA04 + case + components)

 Currently, we run the domains www.gta04.org and
 www.openphoenux.org. The Openphoenux.org home
 page will be made more prominent and content rich soon.


This was a really informative post - thanks!  But how are you going to 
spell the new baby's name?  I see Phoenux, Phoneux, and Phonux all 
within a few lines.


If we were voting, I'd go for OpenPhonux, because it's roughly equal 
parts Phone, Phoenix and Linux which seems about right.


Also, importantly I think, if you heard it spoken you'd probably be able 
to guess correctly how it's spelled, which helps with googling and 
word-of-mouth publicity.  And it has the sound phone in it which helps 
tell people what it is (Phoenux doesn't, at least in English).  And 
Phoneux looks as if it should be pronounced in French (or is that just 
me ...).


But of course it's the parents who should name the baby, and I'm really 
only a bystander, though soon-to-be GTA04 owner ...


Nick Sheppard


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Re: NetBSD-current for openmoko GTA02

2011-12-08 Thread Nick Sheppard

On 06/12/11 23:11, Peter Tworek wrote:

Hi,

For some time now I've been spending some of my free time on getting
NetBSD running on my Freerunner.


At last someone bringing NetBSD to the Freerunner!  I've been waiting 
for the day when I can point to my phone and casually say Of course it 
runs NetBSD   Thank you!


I'm only a tinkerer myself, but some years ago I enjoyed getting NetBSD 
running on an old Blue  White Mac G3. I was really impressed by the 
enthusiasm and helpfulness of the NetBSD community, and by their mission 
to make it run on every possible hardware, down to toasters if possible. 
It always seemed to me that the Freerunner would make a great project 
(if I only had the time and the skill). So I'm really happy to see what 
you're doing.


One question now - what about the GTA04?  Looking at NetBSD development, 
it seems that people are already working on ports to current OMAP and 
BeagleBoard type hardware.  Does this mean that a port to the GTA04 
would be relatively straightforward?  Or is this too good to be true?


Thanks again for letting us know what you're doing,

Nick Sheppard

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Re: Navit problem?

2011-04-11 Thread Nick
Gilles Filippini pini at debian.org writes:

 
 Hrabosh a écrit , Le 10/04/2011 19:36:
  Navit seems to run, but it is bigger than
  the screen (I can!t see part of the Navit keyboard, etc.) and I don!t
  have any Navit icon in QX.
 
 I can hardly help you further since I don't use the qtmoko distro. But
 you may want take a look at the wiki pages to find out how to fine tune
 your configuration using the navit.xml file:
 http://wiki.navit-project.org/
 
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Hi everybody,
freshly installed qtmoko_v35 on nand on a freerunner and tried 

1) to install navit via apt-get: doesn't work (apt-get didn't install the
navit.xml for example)

2) to install it via openmobile-zip file. After the map-configuration it starts,
I even get a map, but the gps doesn't work. Starting NeronGPS simultaneously
gives me a gps-signal on Neron but nor on Navit.
I dont get any routing as well.

Did anybody succeed in apt-get install navit ? Or is openmobile the only and
old-fashioned way ?

Where can I see the output from QX/navit ?

Oh gosh, QTmoko is really nice but without Navit .

Greetings,
Nick




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list strangeness

2011-02-03 Thread Nick Sheppard
Same here.  My last list message forwarded by email was timed 10:34 on
21st Jan.  Since then, nothing at all.

As an experiment I logged on to the list a couple of days ago and
requested a password reminder.  It said reminder sent but the reminder
never reached me - so whatever is stopping the list-forwarding must have
stopped that too.

Anyone else having this problem?

Nick Sheppard


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[All] A Chance for some exposure

2009-11-30 Thread Nick
I subscribe to a very popular YouTube channel
(http://www.youtube.com/user/phonedog) that does reviews for mobile phones
and other tech gadgets. They have recently posted a video asking for people
to submit their own video about their favourite gadget, with the best
reviewer having a chance of the getting on their home page.

I thought this would be a perfect opportunity for some exposure of the Neo
FreeRunner (or even WikiReader) device.

Does anyone with a YouTube account and who is motivated enough to produce a
review want to submit a video?

Have a look at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyCyVU4n6sY

Nick 


 


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Where to purchase a new screen?

2009-06-05 Thread Nick Van Fossen

I need to get a new screen for my Freerunner.  Anyone know where to purchase 
one?  I tried contacting a few of the local distributors here in North America, 
but after a week I haven't even received an e-mail reply.  

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Re: [Qt Extended Improved] Alarm wake up from suspend

2009-03-29 Thread Nick Matteo
On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 11:37 AM, Franky Van Liedekerke
liede...@telenet.be wrote:
 On Fri, 27 Mar 2009 14:23:28 -0700 (PDT)
 andrew howlett and...@howlett.net wrote:
 Just to let everybody know: Andrew (radagast) found the issue at hand,
 and it's a oneliner fix (something about not needing to use a
 monotonic clock) . See
 http://trac.karadog.net/qt-extended-improved/ticket/11

 I now have a qtextended 4.4.3 installation with the following extra:
 - working wifi (even after suspend/unsuspend)
 - alarms on time (for alarms app, but probably also for calender
  alarms)
 - mp3 support (albeit laggy if the touchscreen is used)
 - qterminal (I don't use it, but hey ...)

 Now the following issues remain:
 - better keyboard (for me, but that's not a real issue). I've already
  tweaked the settings a bit to get something better, see
  http://trac.karadog.net/qt-extended-improved/ticket/10
 - voice notes app not recording (seems to be an alsa-state thing)
 - voicemail service number not saved across reboots
 - 2.6.28 compatibility, for better battery usage and maybe some other
  fixes (please, somebody please tell me why 2.6.28 is better for the
  neo)

 I'm hoping to have a crack at the voicemail number problem, but see
 http://trac.karadog.net/qt-extended-improved/ticket/15

 If anybody is interested in my qtextended image, I can put a tar.gz
 file online if wanted ...

 Franky

I'd be interested.  Alarm during suspend has been an issue for me.
I've been meaning to investigate it, but I suppose I was hoping
someone else would do it first.  So I'm very grateful to Mr Howlett
;-)

Thanks,
Nick

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[2008.12] Yet more on the wrench, sorry

2009-03-03 Thread Nick Van Fossen

So I've been frustrated over the last few months just trying to get a working 
terminal keyboard under 2008.12.  I see the distro as borderline useless 
without this, and as a side point I'm completely baffled by the choice of 
making the wrench so difficult to get working when it worked fine in 2008.9.  

So right now I have a working qwerty button and a wrench icon that opens but 
none of the sub-menus contain anything.  I believe all I need to do now is get 
the keyboard selector menu within the wrench to let me select the default 
keyboard instead of None, and then I set QT to not export its keyboard and I 
should be good.  

My problem though is I can't seem to figure out where the hell the menu 
information for the wrench tool is located.  I have been looking in the e.cfg 
and related files and the freerunner.edc file within the asu theme, and the 
files within the illume theme, but I see no mention of the keyboard menu.  Also 
the preconfigured binaries on the enlightenment.cfg wiki page just bring me to 
a blank white screen, and when I try to use eet to view the source of the e.cfg 
file included it just says it cannot be opened for reading, so I'm thinking the 
files are just corrupt.  

Can anyone give me a pointer on where the wrench menu info is even stored?

Thanks,
Nick

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Re: OpenCellID (was OpenBmap logger (GSM positioning)])

2009-02-21 Thread Nick
Thomas,

I agree with you about the train and people in the train.
what about bad gps hdop,... ?

I agree your approach  will be probably enought for assited GPS.
(anyone knows the precision needed ?)

but I don't think this is the right one for the other services mentionned.

Thinking of a high quality my position service (google kind),
we will not achieve it not treating gps hdop, gps speed...

so to be constructive in order to merge our databases,
would you be ready to collect gps speed, gps (hvp)dop and make these 
info available
in your (very large) measures file ?

 From this, I could provide you with a new mapping manager that identify
the cells position calculated with gps (hvp)dop, gps speed when these 
values are available
the cells position calculated with no gps (hvp)dop, gps speed because 
these values are not available

We would have only one database with both quantity (the whole database)
and quality for some cells. (Hoping that the best quality,
would be available for all the cells in the future)

what do you think about it ?

regards,
Nick

Thomas Landspurg a écrit :


 2009/2/20 Nick realtimeb...@gmail.com mailto:realtimeb...@gmail.com

 Thomas,

 After trying to reach you a few times last year,
 i am really glad to have some news from you now.


   The easiest way is to use the email mentionned in the Web page! ;-)
  


 I am reponsible for the openBmap website. And yes, it would be a great
 thing to merge our projects !

 The number of logs you have is very impressive ! well done !

 My concern would be about the quality of your data .

 you still mention on the front page

 Note:If you want a professional CellID Database, I suggest you to
 go to
 Navizon
 who provides top services and databases.

 what do you mean ?



  Tihs mean that there are company that have created huge databases of 
 high quality by spendig a lot of money on it, and they make money by 
 selling these data. Navizon pays his users for this, and other are 
 throwing a lot of money on this too, by sending people doing measures, 
 or by buying operators database. That's exactly the same difference 
 between OpenStreetMap and Navteq/Teleatlas. OpenStreetMap is free, 
 provided by the community, but of a lower quality than their 
 commercial counterpart except on some specific area not covered by 
 these equivalents. Of course, the objective is to reach the same 
 quality, but this will take time.
  
  


 and after importing 800 000 of your gps points in january, I see that
 for instance
 gps speed,  gps hdop, gps pdop, gps vdop are not available
  (at least at the begining of this huge measures.txt file !),


 A bad pdop, vdop, hdop and i am positioned at 1 km from my real
 position ...
 What if i am in a high speed train at 300 km/h? or in plane ? (yes, it
 can work in planes...)



   Let's go back to the basics: the objective of these database if to 
 provied an positionning to create services using localisation on top 
 of this database. Let's take the sample of an high speed train: there 
 is high chances that all the sample will came from people in the train 
 itself, and not from the neighbour outside (train don't go at 300 km/h 
 in high density area). So this mean that the REAL position of the cell 
 will never be accuratly computed, which is not an issue, because the 
 only interesting information is the user position. So sampling mesures 
 even some errors is fine as long as it works fine to get user position.
   So the philosophy behing opencellid was to reach the 80/20 ratio: 
 acheiving the 80% of functionality will require only 20% of the time 
 needed to do these 100% functionality. So that's why we have a simple 
 and elegant API, that is used by different devices with different 
 capacities, while acheiving exactly this objective: providing an 
 accurate cell id positionning.



 In my opinion, considering the following services

 *** asisted gps
 *** cell id to google my position kind of service
 *** cell id to town name service



  the real questions are:
 what precision do we need for openmoko location service through
 gsm cell
 id ?
 what precision our possibly merged database would provide ?


 Assisted GPS does not require huge precision. I am not an expert, but 
 I would be curious to know what is the precision needed to get an 
 assisted GPS. Using triangulation is a different story, and this 
 obvisouly will work fine only in high density area, where you also 
 have high density cells. So again, there is a direct correlation 
 between the precision and the density of the area.
   Note also that OpenCellID use LAC (Local Area Code) to provide an 
 alternate positioning with a lower precision if a cell is not know, 
 but if the LAC is know. Typically other cells has been discovered in 
 the same area.
So once you get CellID positionning, you can use reverse geocoding

Re: OpenCellID (was OpenBmap logger (GSM positioning)])

2009-02-20 Thread Nick
Thomas,

After trying to reach you a few times last year,
i am really glad to have some news from you now.

I am reponsible for the openBmap website. And yes, it would be a great 
thing to merge our projects !

The number of logs you have is very impressive ! well done !

My concern would be about the quality of your data .

you still mention on the front page

Note:If you want a professional CellID Database, I suggest you to go to 
Navizon
who provides top services and databases.

what do you mean ?

and after importing 800 000 of your gps points in january, I see that 
for instance
gps speed,  gps hdop, gps pdop, gps vdop are not available
 (at least at the begining of this huge measures.txt file !),

A bad pdop, vdop, hdop and i am positioned at 1 km from my real position ...
What if i am in a high speed train at 300 km/h? or in plane ? (yes, it 
can work in planes...)


In my opinion, considering the following services

*** asisted gps
*** cell id to google my position kind of service
*** cell id to town name service

 the real questions are:
what precision do we need for openmoko location service through gsm cell 
id ?
what precision our possibly merged database would provide ?


what do you think about the above considerations ?

really glad to hear from you !

regards,
Nick

Thomas Landspurg a écrit :


 2009/2/20 Onen onen.om http://onen.om@free.fr http://free.fr

 Hi Thomas,

 Thomas Landspurg wrote:
 
Dear OpenMoko community (and thanks ed for pointing this out).
 
I am behind the opencellid.org http://opencellid.org
 http://opencellid.org project, and it
  seems that there are some discussion around it these day on the
 mailing
  list.
 

 Last month, and today, indeed.


 Yes, I've get to it today! It's a pity not to have been notified of 
 such discussion before. I've been through them, and I want to add some 
 clarification about difference between database:

 - OpenCellID can also store signal strengh. But one of the issue, is 
 heterogenity between datas. Some client don't have this information, 
 and this create some additional complexity. That's why this 
 information is for now only stored but not yet used. And in all was, 
 if you want it, it's in the measure table, and not in the cell table.

 - About the barycenter of the area/instead of barycenter: it's not 
 always the best way to do it, as it give more value to false datas. 
 while the simple barycenter reduce these. Another option would be to 
 exclude data that would be completely out of range

  And more general information about the databse: more than 500 
 developers have registered to get an API key. Obvisouly not 500 
 application are out, but show the interest of the community




So let me clarifiy:
 
  - As described in the web site, the license is under creative common
  share alike 3.0. I had several request today stating that just
 linking
  to the license was not clear enough, so I will re-clarify it on
 the web
  site, but also in this list.
 

 Last time I checked (and other people, see the post I pointed out
 earlier today), it was not clear. But today, as people had a look
 again,
 it seems to me pretty clear :-)


 Last time, it was written under creative common license, with a link 
 to the creative common share alike license. I am sorry if this was not 
 clear enough, but as you see, a simple mail is enough to get it corrected.

  


  - I am surprised to see statment that I did not answer to some
  questions. I've verified,and all openmoko request have been
 answered. I
  am not perfect, and may be some emails have been missed, but a
 search on
  openmoko on my mail box did not raise any pending question.
 

 Not sure what you mean by openmoko request... When I stated that
 neither
 us nor openmoko did get an answer, I should have written: If I recall
 correclty openmoko tried to reach opencellid, but I have not heard of
 any response. We tried to contact opencellid, but got no response. I
 personally have not tried to reach you. But Nick yes, without answer,
 for what I have understood.


Would be curious to have his email just to check. I am quite sure 
 I've answered to all demands like this.


  There is more than 100 000 cells covered, with 5.5 millions of
  measure, and more cells will be donated soon. We expect to
 reach 200
  000 cells in the coming weeks thanks to a new project donation.
 There is
  also more than 10 different clients (windows mobile, symbian,
  blackberry, j2me,...) gathering the database.
 

 Is there different countries?


 Yes, the stats page show all countries:

 http://www.opencellid.org/cell/stats
  


 Good to see there is no client for openmoko, otherwise I may have
 worked
 for nothing ;-)


  Yes, I've heard that other where working on such client too

Re: Best thing to run on Freerunner and Neo1973 machines today?

2009-02-19 Thread nick d.
Daniel,

Can you detail further how you got this GPS position thing working?
What client/server did you use?

Cheers


On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 6:52 AM, Daniel Benoy dan...@benoy.name wrote:
 I'm having lots of fun with Debian.  I put an 8GB card in my freerunner, and 
 put Debian, zhone, and illume on it.  (Illume is a fairly recent development, 
 and it still doesn't work quite right.  Here's how you install it if you're 
 interested: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Debian#Illume)

 Some spiffy projects once you get your OS going:
 - Bluetooth headsets
 - GPRS internet access
 - GPS (I made a page on my Blog that plots my position when the phone is 
 online.  It involved setting up dynamic DNS using bind on my personal server. 
  Fun stuff!)
 - Maybe some games like ScummVM

 I'm also interested trying to set up some VoIP stuff but I've yet to find any 
 really suitable software.

 On Wednesday 18 February 2009 06:33:56 you wrote:
 Hiya gang,

 After a few months of ignoring the OpenMoko scene while I concentrated
 on other things (beagleboard/openpandora) I find myself looking at my
 neo1973 and freerunner gear, and thinking its time to do something
 interesting with these devices again.  But I have no idea what is
 going on with the FR these days ..

 So, I turn to you guys: what would you recommend I put on both/either
 of these machines for a bit of fun today? FDOM, SHR, something else?
 In terms of easy-to-get fun factor, what do you guys suggest?

 ;
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[Om2008.12] Adding swap space can stop app crashes

2009-01-16 Thread Nick Van Fossen

Just as a helpful note, adding swap space seems to help against application 
crashes.  I've always had issues with 
tangoGPS and the various webbrower apps crashing.  Looking into it a little 
more I notice that this was occurring when the 
puny 128MB of memory was getting filled up.  So, I added a swap file onto my 
microSD card and have had these problems 
practically clear up.  Anyone else had any similar experiences?  If this is a 
true fix this should probably go onto the wiki.  

So, I'm a bit lazy so instead of going through the trouble of adding a swap 
partition, I just created a swap file.  My microSD 
card is mounted at /media/nickcard so change the below accordingly.  I set mine 
up for 1GB, but that seems like way 
overkill, so here is a quick command list to create a 1/2GB swap.  

Create the swap file on the mounted microSD card (count is the number of 
megabytes, change accordingly):
dd if=/dev/zero of=/media/nickcard/swapfile.img bs=1024k count=512

Format the swap file:
mkswap /media/nickcard/swapfile.img

Add the swap file to your running system:
swapon /media/nickcard/swapfile.img

use free -m to verify that the swap is going

Now like I said I am lazy, so I didn't want to bother remembering how fstab 
worked so that it would auto-start that way, 
so I just added that last command to the startup.  I read that you would just 
add 
/media/nickcard/swapfile.img none swap sw 0 0 to /etc/fstab but don't sue me 
if that part don't work.  :)

-Nick

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[2008.12] Anyone get iptables working?

2009-01-08 Thread Nick Van Fossen

So, with 2008.9 I was using iptables to tether my ubuntu laptop to my 
freerunner's gprs connection.  
But as of 2008.12 I'm getting an Illegal instruction error each time I run 
the iptables command.  

Commands I run on the freerunner to enable tethering after gprs connection:
iptables -v -A POSTROUTING -t nat -j MASQUERADE -s 192.168.0.0/24
sysctl -w net.ipv4.ip_forward=1

I've noticed that most but not all iptables commands generate the same Illegal 
instruction error as well.  
Has anyone got around this yet?

I've installed iptables, iptables-utils, and upgraded libgcc1 to v4.2.4-r5.1 
from the angstrom repository.  

-Nick

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[2008.12] Anyone get iptables working?

2009-01-08 Thread Nick Van Fossen

Which instruction is it? Use the following to find out

1) gdb --args iptables -v -A POSTROUTING -t nat -j MASQUERADE -s 
192.168.0.0/24
2) run
3) backtrace
4) x/5i $pc
5) info register

Better Cc: me on your reply since I might not notice your reply on the
mailing list due to heavy traffic :-)

---

Thanks for the response.  Below is the output.  

-Nick

r...@om-gta02:~# gdb --args iptables -v -A POSTROUTING -t nat -j MASQUERADE -s 1
92.168.0.0/24
GNU gdb 6.8
Copyright (C) 2008 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
License GPLv3+: GNU GPL version 3 or later http://gnu.org/licenses/gpl.html
This is free software: you are free to change and redistribute it.
There is NO WARRANTY, to the extent permitted by law.  Type show copying
and show warranty for details.
This GDB was configured as arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi...
(no debugging symbols found)
(gdb) run
Starting program: /usr/sbin/iptables -v -A POSTROUTING -t nat -j MASQUERADE -s 
192.168.0.0/24
(no debugging symbols found)
(no debugging symbols found)
(no debugging symbols found)

Program received signal SIGILL, Illegal instruction.
0x9834 in ?? ()
(gdb) backtrace
#0  0x9834 in ?? ()
Cannot access memory at address 0x2
(gdb) x/5i $pc
0x9834 __strtoull_internal+1088:  teqeq   pc, r5, asr r6
0x9838 __strtoull_internal+1092:  cfstrsnemvf4, [r0], #-316
0x983c __strtoull_internal+1096:  ldcne   6, cr2, [r12]
0x9840 __strtoull_internal+1100:  ldrtmi  r3, [r4], r12, lsl #8
0x9844 __strtoull_internal+1104:  blcc0x3108d8
(gdb) info register
r0 0x2b048  176200
r1 0x2895c  166236
r2 0x8002   2147483650
r3 0x19084  102532
r4 0x2a1f8  172536
r5 0x2876c  165740
r6 0x2  2
r7 0x1f0496
r8 0x2a1e4  172516
r9 0x2b048  176200
r100x1f 31
r110x2  2
r120x10 16
sp 0xbe866ab8   0xbe866ab8
lr 0x67 103
pc 0x9834   0x9834 __strtoull_internal+1088
fps0x100100016781312
cpsr   0x4010   1073741840
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RE: [2008.12] Anyone get iptables working?

2009-01-08 Thread Nick Van Fossen



 From: timo.lindf...@iki.fi
 To: stix...@hotmail.com
 CC: community@lists.openmoko.org; timo.lindf...@iki.fi
 Subject: Re: [2008.12] Anyone get iptables working?
 Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 23:23:00 +0200
 
 Nick Van Fossen stix...@hotmail.com writes:
  Program received signal SIGILL, Illegal instruction.
  0x9834 in ?? ()
  (gdb) backtrace
  #0  0x9834 in ?? ()
  Cannot access memory at address 0x2
  (gdb) x/5i $pc
  0x9834 __strtoull_internal+1088:  teqeq   pc, r5, asr r6
 
 Very odd. teq should be perfectly legal instructions that is available
 on all architecture versions and does not involve exceptions.
 
  0x9838 __strtoull_internal+1092:  cfstrsnemvf4, [r0], #-316
 
 What is this? Google finds this in a list about Cirrus Maverick
 co-processor support for GCC.
 
the following are patches for gas, ld, opcodes, and bfd-- for the
 Cirrus DSP arm copprocessor (arm9e).
 
/* Cirrus DSP instructions.  */
 
 +   {cfstrs,0x0c000400, NULL,   NULL,   ARM_EXT_MAVERIK, 
 do_c_ldst_1},
 
 -- http://sources.redhat.com/ml/binutils/2001-10/msg00134.html
 
 Where did you get these? :-) Please run
 
 1) gdb --args iptables -v -A POSTROUTING -t nat -j MASQUERADE -s 
 192.168.0.0/24
 2) run
 3) shell cat /proc/`pidof iptables`/maps
 
 so that we see what library comes with this __strtoull_internal
 implementation.

Like I said, I got iptables and iptables-utils from angstrom by adding the 
angstrom repo using instructions at
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Repositories by creating the 
/etc/opkg/angstrom-feed.conf file per the 2008.8 instructions
near the top.  Then I used commands opkg update followed by opkg install 
iptables iptables-utils.  This also 
updated the libgcc1 package, since iptables required a newer version than the 
openmoko repo contained.  (this includes the libgcc_s.so.1 file mentioned below)

-Nick

r...@om-gta02:/etc/opkg# gdb --args iptables -v -A POSTROUTING -t nat -j 
MASQUERADE -s 192.168.0.0/24
GNU gdb 6.8
Copyright (C) 2008 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
License GPLv3+: GNU GPL version 3 or later http://gnu.org/licenses/gpl.html
This is free software: you are free to change and redistribute it.
There is NO WARRANTY, to the extent permitted by law.  Type show copying
and show warranty for details.
This GDB was configured as arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi...
(no debugging symbols found)
(gdb) run
Starting program: /usr/sbin/iptables -v -A POSTROUTING -t nat -j MASQUERADE -s 
192.168.0.0/24
(no debugging symbols found)
(no debugging symbols found)
(no debugging symbols found)

Program received signal SIGILL, Illegal instruction.
0x9834 in ?? ()
(gdb) shell cat /proc/`pidof iptables`/maps
8000-00021000 r-xp  1f:06 14560  /usr/sbin/iptables
00028000-0002b000 rw-p 00018000 1f:06 14560  /usr/sbin/iptables
0002b000-0004c000 rwxp 0002b000 00:00 0  [heap]
4000-4001c000 r-xp  1f:06 582/lib/ld-2.6.1.so
4002-40022000 rw-p 4002 00:00 0 
40023000-40025000 rw-p 0001b000 1f:06 582/lib/ld-2.6.1.so
40025000-4002f000 r-xp  1f:06 14557  /lib/libgcc_s.so.1
4002f000-40036000 ---p a000 1f:06 14557  /lib/libgcc_s.so.1
40036000-40037000 rw-p 9000 1f:06 14557  /lib/libgcc_s.so.1
40037000-40148000 r-xp  1f:06 588/lib/libc-2.6.1.so
40148000-4015 ---p 00111000 1f:06 588/lib/libc-2.6.1.so
4015-40151000 r--p 00111000 1f:06 588/lib/libc-2.6.1.so
40151000-40153000 rw-p 00112000 1f:06 588/lib/libc-2.6.1.so
40153000-40156000 rw-p 40153000 00:00 0 
be85-be865000 rwxp befeb000 00:00 0  [stack]
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RE: [2008.12] Anyone get iptables working?

2009-01-08 Thread Nick Van Fossen

Thanks again, I'll give that a try!

-Nick

 From: timo.lindf...@iki.fi
 To: stix...@hotmail.com
 CC: timo.lindf...@iki.fi; community@lists.openmoko.org
 Subject: Re: [2008.12] Anyone get iptables working?
 Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 00:00:09 +0200
 
 Nick Van Fossen stix...@hotmail.com writes:
  8000-00021000 r-xp  1f:06 14560  /usr/sbin/iptables
 
 Ok so the address 0x9838 is indeed inside the iptables binary which
 thus has been compiled for wrong instruction set. Go build it for
 armv4 or get a distro that has it prebuilt :-)
 
 
 

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RE: [2008.12] Anyone get iptables working?

2009-01-08 Thread Nick Van Fossen

Ahh dang I should have checked my e-mail again earlier.  I followed Timo's 
suggestion to rebuild from source, and that worked like a charm.  But your fix 
would have saved me a bit of time.  If anyone wants an ipk of iptables v1.4.2 
let me know :)

Thanks everyone

-Nick

 Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 18:15:48 -0500
 From: freerun...@newkirk.us
 To: community@lists.openmoko.org
 CC: stix...@hotmail.com
 Subject: RE: [2008.12] Anyone get iptables working?
 
 Try opkg remove iptables followed by opkg install
 http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/testing/armv4t/iptables_1.3.8-r4_armv4t.opk;
 
 ;)
 
 j
 
 On Thu, 8 Jan 2009 13:47:56 -0800, Nick Van Fossen stix...@hotmail.com
 wrote:
  
  
  
  From: timo.lindf...@iki.fi
  To: stix...@hotmail.com
  CC: community@lists.openmoko.org; timo.lindf...@iki.fi
  Subject: Re: [2008.12] Anyone get iptables working?
  Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 23:23:00 +0200
  
  Nick Van Fossen stix...@hotmail.com writes:
   Program received signal SIGILL, Illegal instruction.
   0x9834 in ?? ()
   (gdb) backtrace
   #0  0x9834 in ?? ()
   Cannot access memory at address 0x2
   (gdb) x/5i $pc
   0x9834 __strtoull_internal+1088:   teqeq   pc, r5, asr r6
  
  Very odd. teq should be perfectly legal instructions that is available
  on all architecture versions and does not involve exceptions.
  
   0x9838 __strtoull_internal+1092:   cfstrsnemvf4, [r0], 
   #-316
  
  What is this? Google finds this in a list about Cirrus Maverick
  co-processor support for GCC.
  
 the following are patches for gas, ld, opcodes, and bfd-- for the
  Cirrus DSP arm copprocessor (arm9e).
  
 /* Cirrus DSP instructions.  */
  
  +   {cfstrs,0x0c000400, NULL,   NULL,  
  ARM_EXT_MAVERIK, do_c_ldst_1},
  
  -- http://sources.redhat.com/ml/binutils/2001-10/msg00134.html
  
  Where did you get these? :-) Please run
  
  1) gdb --args iptables -v -A POSTROUTING -t nat -j MASQUERADE -s
  192.168.0.0/24
  2) run
  3) shell cat /proc/`pidof iptables`/maps
  
  so that we see what library comes with this __strtoull_internal
  implementation.
  
  Like I said, I got iptables and iptables-utils from angstrom by adding
 the
  angstrom repo using instructions at
  http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Repositories by creating the
  /etc/opkg/angstrom-feed.conf file per the 2008.8 instructions
  near the top.  Then I used commands opkg update followed by opkg
  install iptables iptables-utils.  This also 
  updated the libgcc1 package, since iptables required a newer version than
  the openmoko repo contained.  (this includes the libgcc_s.so.1 file
  mentioned below)
  
  -Nick
  
  r...@om-gta02:/etc/opkg# gdb --args iptables -v -A POSTROUTING -t nat -j
  MASQUERADE -s 192.168.0.0/24
  GNU gdb 6.8
  Copyright (C) 2008 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
  License GPLv3+: GNU GPL version 3 or later
  http://gnu.org/licenses/gpl.html
  This is free software: you are free to change and redistribute it.
  There is NO WARRANTY, to the extent permitted by law.  Type show
 copying
  and show warranty for details.
  This GDB was configured as arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi...
  (no debugging symbols found)
  (gdb) run
  Starting program: /usr/sbin/iptables -v -A POSTROUTING -t nat -j
  MASQUERADE -s 192.168.0.0/24
  (no debugging symbols found)
  (no debugging symbols found)
  (no debugging symbols found)
  
  Program received signal SIGILL, Illegal instruction.
  0x9834 in ?? ()
  (gdb) shell cat /proc/`pidof iptables`/maps
  8000-00021000 r-xp  1f:06 14560  /usr/sbin/iptables
  00028000-0002b000 rw-p 00018000 1f:06 14560  /usr/sbin/iptables
  0002b000-0004c000 rwxp 0002b000 00:00 0  [heap]
  4000-4001c000 r-xp  1f:06 582/lib/ld-2.6.1.so
  4002-40022000 rw-p 4002 00:00 0 
  40023000-40025000 rw-p 0001b000 1f:06 582/lib/ld-2.6.1.so
  40025000-4002f000 r-xp  1f:06 14557  /lib/libgcc_s.so.1
  4002f000-40036000 ---p a000 1f:06 14557  /lib/libgcc_s.so.1
  40036000-40037000 rw-p 9000 1f:06 14557  /lib/libgcc_s.so.1
  40037000-40148000 r-xp  1f:06 588/lib/libc-2.6.1.so
  40148000-4015 ---p 00111000 1f:06 588/lib/libc-2.6.1.so
  4015-40151000 r--p 00111000 1f:06 588/lib/libc-2.6.1.so
  40151000-40153000 rw-p 00112000 1f:06 588/lib/libc-2.6.1.so
  40153000-40156000 rw-p 40153000 00:00 0 
  be85-be865000 rwxp befeb000 00:00 0  [stack]
  (gdb) 
  
  
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[2008.* | Qtopia and whatever else uses Qtopia PIM] Sqlite DB speed trick

2009-01-07 Thread nick d.
Saw this on reddit the other day and thought it might help [1].

sqlite3 has a vacuum command which does a few nifty things to
compact your database [2] in which the example shows you can do it to
your firefox 3 sqlite db files to increase performance (in things like
the awesome bar etc). I thought I might try this on my phone as I know
the qtopia PIM suite uses sqlite3. So to do this on 2008.* (and
assuming this works on Qtopia distro):

0. make sure you have sqlite3 and lsof installed
 opkg install sqlite3 lsof

1. check your file sizes for comparison:
  ls -l ~/Applications/qtmail/qtopia_db.sqlite
  ls -l  ~/Applications/Qtopia/qtopia_db.sqlite

2. stop your xserver to remove the lock on the db files:
   /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm stop

3. check to make sure nothing is using the files
  lsof ~/Applications/qtmail/qtopia_db.sqlite
  lsof ~/Applications/Qtopia/qtopia_db.sqlite

4. Compact
 sqlite3 ~/Applications/qtmail/qtopia_db.sqlite
 sqlite3 ~/Applications/Qtopia/qtopia_db.sqlite

5. Restart X
 /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm start

6. Check file sizes again
 ls -l ~/Applications/qtmail/qtopia_db.sqlite
  ls -l  ~/Applications/Qtopia/qtopia_db.sqlite

7. ???

8. Profit!


This reduced my filesize from 195584 to 97280 for my
qtmail/qtopia_db.sqlite file. I can't work out how to test performance
other than experientially because of my lack of knowledge of qtopia
debugging. Hopefully this means less files to load in memory which
should equate to slightly quicker performance. It certainly worked for
my firefox.

 Do at your own risk! Although I'm sure that sqlite's own locking
mechanisms will stop you from nuking your db files. Good luck! And let
me know of your success (definitely not failure)! :P

-Nick


Refs

1.http://www.gettingclever.com/2008/06/vacuum-your-firefox-3.html
2. http://www.sqlite.org/lang_vacuum.html

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Re: Abwesenheitsnotiz community Digest, Vol 110, Issue 85

2008-12-21 Thread nick d.
I can't get enough of these! Keep us posted!

/s

2008/12/21 Oguz Varol oguz.va...@wgzbank.de


 Betrifft: Ihre Nachricht vom 21.12.08 12:00:02


 Ich bin ab dem 29.12.08 wieder im Hause der WGZ Bank erreichbar. In
 dringenden Fällen wenden
 Sie sich bitte an meine Kollegen aus dem IT-PM.

 I am currently out of office and will be back the 29.12.2008. For any
 urgent matter, please contact
 the usual suspects.


 Mit freundlichem Gruß / Best Regards
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Re: New home for the New FDOM

2008-10-30 Thread nick d.
A screen should show up. It won't if your accelerometers aren't working. To
check this run:

hexdump /dev/input/event2

which should give you output from the accelerometer that openmoocow uses.

If you're using FDOM try replacing neod with a different copy to see if that
solves it. Some people have reported accelerometers starting only once every
few boots so try rebooting. Here's a neod that works for me:

cd /tmp
wget http://westhoffswelt.de/data/blog/moko_eightball/neod
cp neod /usr/bin/neod
chmod u+x /usr/bin/neod

Happy mooing!

-Nick

On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 9:49 AM, Jonathan Schultz [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:

  I believe it is a combination of inestability of accelerometers and
  sound if any of those elementes doesn't work mookow, still silent on
  even it doesn't open at all, it uses to work with the Neo just rebooted.
  as experiment you can  execute the Moocow throug  terminal and if no
  detect any sound device it will log the moos in the terminal.

 When I execute openmoocow through the terminal I see no output
 whatsoever.  Is it supposed to open a screen or does it only do sound?

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Re: Contacts - Fdom vs. OM2008.8

2008-10-28 Thread nick d.
Hmm i found that too Yaroslav. Would definitely be handy. Also the keyboard
is almost incompatible. When you type in a name and select it, the keyboard
puts in a space character which yields no results until you backspace. Is
there a way to get the keyboard to lose predictive text so it can sort on
the fly?

-nick

On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 3:11 PM, Yaroslav Halchenko site-openmoko.org@
onerussian.com wrote:

   ps : well , fdom is not V om , those guys are working on stability
 thing ,
   we are working on feature , funny , fat and dirty things!
  One of those dirty things is change config files, the standard 2008.9
  has this feature you only have tell it to not be so shy and show it :)
  If you look at the FDOMizer. script you will find all the dirty thing we
  have done to it :)
 according to git log and
 http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/commitlog/2008-September/006060.html

 holger enabled it in qtopia build in september ... but for some reason
 it wasn't enabled by default

 also it seems to be not 'patched' in the view of contacts whenever it is
 called from the dialer (person icon) -- and that is the most often
 place where I look for contacts... now I will need to start contacts
 first I guess, heh heh

 or may be Holger would add 1 more patch in the right spot? ;-)

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Re: Android open sourced

2008-10-28 Thread nick d.
Sign up to Koolu's forum [1] and see what's going on there. Cfriedt also has
a spreadsheet of progress that seems to have been updated frequently [2].
Last time I check there were a few to go but now, not so much. See also [3].

Nick

1. http://forum.koolu.org/
2. http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pzDEXnU19gkeTjpD28t-7fw
3. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Android


See also:

http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td1361683

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Re: GPS sensitivity

2008-10-27 Thread nick d.
Online mode: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_GPS#Assist_Online

I've signed up for an account but not sure if the scripts worked for me or
not. Haven't tested it fully.

Make sure you update the wiki if you have any success or more information.

-Nick

On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 6:24 AM, Johny Tenfinger [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:

  So, given that both the Neo 1973, and the Freerunner apparently
  have AGPS capabilities, I think that what needs to be figured
  out is how to send out AGPS data from community servers. Anyone
  with any thoughts on this?

 Neo1973 doesn't have AGPS capability, but FreeRunner has, and some
 time ago on this mailist was program to do GPS assistance in online
 mode - I don't know if it works, but when I have fix and I'm doing
 warm reset of FR GPS, it gets fix in ~5 seconds, so I'm think this
 result is also possible with working AGPS.
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Re: Fdom speed (was Re: New home for the New FDOM)

2008-10-27 Thread nick d.
Denis is right. It's trying to do a reverse DNS lookup. This plauges all
incorrectly configured linux distros. At least every so often on any one I
use.

Gestures daemon does use a bit but only 5% I believe. Just check with top. I
turn it off anyway as I don't use it at the moment:

update-rc.d -f gesd-neo2 remove

I think...
-Nick

On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 5:18 AM, Leonti Bielski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I think something is lowing down FDOM, maybe this is gestures daemon
 (someone at some point said it eats a lot of CPU power)?
 And another thing - it takes years to login via ssh to Freerunner with
 FDOM.
 With other distributions I just enter 'ssh [EMAIL PROTECTED]', press
 Enter and immediately press Enter when it asks for password.
 But with FDOM I actually have to wait till it gives me password promt.
 This happens not only with the lates distribution but with all FDOM I
 tried.
 But I still use sometimes to check for new things available for Freerunner.
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Re: Auto-reject incoming phone calls

2008-10-27 Thread nick d.
lanzo I don't believe FDOM (2008.x) uses FSO as middleware...yet.

-Nick

On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 8:59 AM, lanzo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:




 member kamituel wrote:
 
  script works on the FSO and is using Call and SMS DBus interfaces.
 
  Kamil
 
  #!/usr/bin/python
  import dbus
  [...]
 

 I am trying executing this script in FDOM but i get lots of errors (see
 below)...
 is there an easy way to make it work with this distro too?

 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# ./auto-reject.py
 Traceback (most recent call last):
  File ./auto-reject.py, line 14, in module
gsm_device_obj = bus.get_object( 'org.freesmartphone.ogsmd',
 '/org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device' )
  File /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/dbus/bus.py, line 244, in
 get_object
follow_name_owner_changes=follow_name_owner_changes)
  File /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/dbus/proxies.py, line 241, in
 __init__
self._named_service = conn.activate_name_owner(bus_name)
  File /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/dbus/bus.py, line 183, in
 activate_name_owner
self.start_service_by_name(bus_name)
  File /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/dbus/bus.py, line 281, in
 start_service_by_name
'su', (bus_name, flags)))
  File /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/dbus/connection.py, line 607, in
 call_blocking
message, timeout)
 dbus.exceptions.DBusException: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown:
 The name org.freesmartphone.ogsmd was not provided by any .service files
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~#


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Re: led blinking during suspend?

2008-10-27 Thread nick d.
Marcel,
Andy has already spoken of this. The second CPU is called a PMU and would be
troublesome with user-access, in that the user would have access to upgrade
the PMU and consequently be able to brick it. Difficult in an open scenario
such as the Freerunner I guess.

-Nick

On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 5:30 AM, Marcel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Am Monday 27 October 2008 20:14:29 schrieb Richy:
  As far as I understood, you should be able to have the LEDs _on_ even
  during suspend.
  AFAIK the cell phone wakes up, when receiving a call. So you could
  signalize missing calls with LED on and SMS with different colors or
  something like that..

 But a permanently turned on LED would drain (how much?) power, too. Maybe
 we
 would need some really low power second cpu that is only there to flash
 LEDs
 etc - I've read about that technique somewhere, didn't the N810 have it?

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Re: JTAG interface board

2008-10-16 Thread nick loeve
Hi

On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 3:49 PM, Pete [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 9:22 AM, Leo McManus [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:

 Am looking at buying a Freerunner for use on a embedded course.

 When I looked at buying last year the phone came with a developer
 board...and a pretty case!

 If I buy a freerunner now it will not come with the interface board.

 What restrictions will this put on my development. Will I be unable to
 modify the U-Boot code. Can I flash all the blocks within the flash?

 TA

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 You can update uboot and install new kernels and rootfs using openmoko's
 dlf-util program.  But if you mess up programming uboot, your going to brick
 you phone.

You can flash u-boot in NAND via dfu-util, but you can only alter
u-boot in NOR with the debug board. So without the board you can still
play around with bootloader, kernel and rootfs, and if you stuff up,
then the u-boot in NOR will still be available to use to reflash and
recover.

Cheers


 They sell a JTAB / serial port board for the freerunner.  This board is nice
 because it can work on any arm system that has the 20 pin JTAG connector.
 Openmoko still sells the Dboard on the US direct site
 http://us.direct.openmoko.com/.  Basicly its a FTDI high speed usb to serial
 interface chip wired up to be a JTAG. Its nice because its a simple open
 jtag system, that programs like xilinx and openOCD can operate.

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Fun using power button LEDs as battery indicator

2008-10-10 Thread Nick Van Fossen

Some of you probably knew this, but I just found out that the Freerunner 
actually has a couple LEDs under the power button, but they don't seem to be 
used yet in 2008.9 stable.  So, I thought it would be helpful to use them as an 
external battery power indicator.  If you are like me, I let my phone screen go 
black after 60 seconds and go to suspend by button press only, so this is also 
helpful to tell if the Freerunner is in suspend or powered on with the screen 
off.  

Power button blue for high battery, purple for medium, and orange for low.  

Perl script and simple instructions:
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FreeRunner/Buttons_and_LEDs#Led_Power_Status_Perl_Script

By the way, suspend mode and the phone itself are working great for me after 
figuring out that pulseaudio was causing major problems.  Don't install the 
mediaplayer, and if you did...  get rid of pulseaudio and the phone starts 
working pretty good.  

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Re: Charging a Neo battery in a Nokia charger or phone (was: Re: dead battery)

2008-09-30 Thread Nick Matteo
On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 5:11 PM, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Exactly right. My understanding is this:

 Nokia devices (phones and stand-alone chargers) will not charge
 non-Nokia batteries, most likely because they can't be sure they have
 the correct charging parameters.

 Most after-market or no-name brands of Nokia-compatible chargers don't
 test the make of the battery, most likely because adding the capability
 to perform this test would add to the cost of the charger.

 Thus:

 * You can use a Nokia or Nokia-compatible BL-4C, BL-5C, or BL-6C in the Neo

 * You can charge the Neo battery in a Nokia-compatible charger that is
 not Nokia branded

 * You can NOT charge the Neo battery in a Nokia branded phone or charger

 Michael

Thanks for this helpfully complete characterization.
Do you happen to know if a Nokia battery (such as the BL-5c) will
charge in the FreeRunner?

Thanks,
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Cincinnati Bell Wireless

2008-08-21 Thread Nick Matteo
Hello,
I intend to buy a FreeRunner.  This will be my first time owning a
cell phone, though.
My service plan is offered through my university by Cincinnati Bell
Wireless, and includes a free phone.  Can I expect that removing the
SIM card from the free phone and placing it in the FreeRunner will
work?  (IE, allow calls and SMS.  I'd do any data over wifi.)

Thanks,
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RE: openvpn?

2008-08-20 Thread Nick Van Fossen

Thanks a lot!  My problem was with the openssl dependencies, which are resolved 
by using the openssl-dev package you referenced.  I was now able to create an 
.ipk package and it works flawlessly with 2008.8.  Now I can actually use my 
phone at work to connect to other work machines through our wifi network...  
all the iPhone users here are going to drool now.  

-Nick


 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: community@lists.openmoko.org
 Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 20:54:04 -0400
 Subject: Re: openvpn?
 
 What are you having trouble with?  I was able to
 cross-compile
 http://openvpn.net/release/openvpn-2.1_rc9.tar.gz on the
 first attempt with .
 /usr/local/openmoko/arm/setup-env;./configure
 --host=arm-angstrom-linux;make after easing
 http://people.openmoko.org/~zecke/om2008.8-dev/armv4t/openssl-dev_0.9.7g-r7_armv4t.opk
 into
 /usr/local/openmoko/arm/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/usr/lib. 
 I've not tested it yet.
 
 j
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Nick Van Fossen 
 To: 
 Subject: openvpn?
 Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 14:42:49 -0700
 
 I'm trying to compile openvpn for my FreeRunner, which is
 running 2008.8, but so far I haven't been successful.  Has
 anyone else tried to do this yet?  If so I'd appreciate
 any info on how you were able to.  
 
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openvpn?

2008-08-19 Thread Nick Van Fossen

I'm trying to compile openvpn for my FreeRunner, which is running 2008.8, but 
so far I haven't been successful.  Has anyone else tried to do this yet?  If so 
I'd appreciate any info on how you were able to.  

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RE: Om2008.8 comments and questions

2008-08-12 Thread Nick Van Fossen

I can't speak for the Openmoko developers, but it is fairly well known that the 
openmoko software is a work in progress with things breaking and being fixed 
very often.  I believe most people who have the Neo phones have them to be part 
of something new that hasn't been done before on a phone, test and play with 
something exciting yet still unfinished, and possibly even contribute to making 
the phone  software even better.  These people also understand that the 
software is a work in progress, and that nothing at this stage in the game is 
guaranteed not to break.  

If your needs actually are a solid and easy phone, with few hiccups, and good 
linux compatibility...  I'm guessing you purchased about a year too early in 
its development.  Remember that opensource development != proprietary 
development, as opensource software is often available to users/developers 
years in advance of it being stable enough to do the work expected of the final 
version... where proprietary software (like the iPhone you mention) is hidden 
from users for years during the stage of development openmoko is currently.  

This is like trying to use the iPhone a year before it was released to the 
public.  It would have been exciting, but few things would have worked 
perfectly, with regressions and inconsistencies between builds just the same.  

Be excited you are part of something new, but to expect solid performance today 
is a bit premature.  I can't wait for mine to arrive next week, working 
features be damned! :)

-Nick



 Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 13:55:39 -0400
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: community@lists.openmoko.org
 Subject: Om2008.8 comments and questions
 
 Hi Openmoko cummunity (and developmen team),
 
 I'm a little bit concerned about how priorities are set and handled and would 
 like to read your opinion.
 
 2 weeks ago I got my Neo Freerunner with Om2007. I was able to get it up and 
 running, even importing my contacts from my old phone wasn't really an issue. 
 WiFi worked ok too.
 
 Then I flashed my phone with Om2008.8.
 
 Call me oldfashioned, but I'm one of the guys who wants to use his phone for 
 the 
 reason it was actually built in the first place: making phone calls.
 I expect only 3 things from a phone (which are the most basic things a phone 
 should be able to accomplish):
 
 1) making and receiving calls
 2) managing contacts
 3) alarm function
 
 I will go in more detail regarding these 3 points in a moment. I know that 
 the 
 phone has overwhelming features and I would like to see them in action, but 
 first I should be able to use it as a phone. I don't care about GPS, games or 
 a 
 graphical installer right now.
 
 ad 2) I was not able to migrate my phonebook from om2007 to om2008. I had a 
 backup from my home dir and I had the .vcf files on my sd card. Well, 
 entering 
 my 500 contacts is not an option. The keyboard is more or less useless, since 
 it 
 takes at least 'number of character' times 2 seconds to enter a word, which 
 cannot be guessed by the keyboard 'logic'.
 What about sending contacts via Bluetooth? What about importing vcf files?
 
 ad 3) this does not work either. sometimes I can see an alarm icon, but no 
 alarm 
 tone. hmmm, not much of an alarm then.
 
 These are basic functions which do not work and people are talking about 
 GTA03, 
 cameras, GPS mapping functions.
 I don't get it. First of all the phone should be able to do at least things 
 that 
 a 50$ phone can do.
 
 I bought the openmoko phone, because I'm using Linux and I thought that it 
 would 
 be easier to sync contact and calendar data with my workstation.
 I was definitely wrong. The data is not even compatible between Om releases.
 Furthermore it seems to me that a propriatary system is developed which makes 
 it 
 even harder to communicate with standard Linux distros.
 In that case I could have bought the iPhone as well. At least that phone 
 works.
 
 As long as the priorities are not focused on basic features as I described 
 above, this phone will not be useable for quite a while.
 
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Any opinions on purchasing from Koolu?

2008-08-07 Thread Nick Van Fossen

I've been trying to purchase a new 850 Freerunner for almost 2 weeks now, but 
as you already know the openmoko online store still says they are to arrive on 
July 25th...  The only two US distributors are Koolu, and gp2xstore.com.  
Gp2xstore.com only lists the Neo 1973 - not freerunner, and has been ignoring 
my e-mails for a week and a half, so I guess my only choice is Koolu.  

But, Koolu looks like they want to go a different direction with their phones 
than Openmoko does by installing Android, Google Apps, and some other goodies 
that I have no interest in.  I've been hesitant to purchase from them because 
of this, but I'm wondering if anyone else has purchased an 850 Freerunner from 
Koolu and how that went?  Did you get your phone?  Have any problems with 
Koolu?  Do you have any problems installing any of the openmoko builds/stacks?  

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Re: Reason for GPS problems found!

2008-07-17 Thread nick loeve
Hi again,

On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 5:26 PM, nick loeve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi Andy (nice work BTW, you and the rest of the team)

 On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 5:02 PM, Andy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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 Somebody in the thread at some point said:

 | FWIW i just flashed
 |
 http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200807/20080715/uImage-om-gta02-latest.bin
 | today and i got a fix outside with my sd card inserted. Previously i
 | never saw a satellite unless i took it out.
 |
 | Did that build have the patches i see at
 | http://git.openmoko.org/?p=kernel.git;a=shortlog;h=andy ?

 Those guys are built off stable branch going by the git hash, it
 doesn't have the latest patches in yet that are in andy.

 The only GPS-related patch it should have is one that stops power from
 idle / high UART TX pin leaking into GPS section when it is 'off', but
 that isn't directly suspected.

 So I dunno why your GPS is all happy after being happy the first time,
 but long may it last :-)


 Yeah this is nice, but strange... as I have tried for more than the
 last week to even see a satellite, in a range of conditions, and
 positions, and sometimes for hours at a time.

 Oh well, not complaining... :)

I just tried the latest mwebster-andy kernel from
http://moko.mwester.net/dl.html#kernels which has the sdcard clock
patches, and now i get even better signals, and fix from cold start
outside in 48secs.

So the voltage patch certainly helped, and the sdcard clock patches
seemed to have made it even better.

I have not tried accessing maps from sdcard while using GPS, but i
will try and test that later.

Cheers, and thanks for the good work!


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Re: Reason for GPS problems found!

2008-07-16 Thread nick loeve
Hi

On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 9:33 AM, Alexey Feldgendler
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Tue, 15 Jul 2008 22:41:44 +0200, ian douglas
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 The note attached said:
 GPS internal antenna issue appears to respond positively to cranking
 RF_3V to 3.6V from 3.0V.

 it is a SNR issue for sure, and to boost SNR you either
 boost signal (which is what voltage raise does) or you reduce noise
 (which what removal of SD card seems to be doing).

 Andy submitted another patch within the last day or so that toyed with
 the voltage levels of the SD circuitry, but his notes indicate that it's
 more to do with data stability than noise/interference with the GPS unit.

 I'd love to test with that patch. Is it in a daily build?

FWIW i just flashed
http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200807/20080715/uImage-om-gta02-latest.bin
today and i got a fix outside with my sd card inserted. Previously i
never saw a satellite unless i took it out.

Did that build have the patches i see at
http://git.openmoko.org/?p=kernel.git;a=shortlog;h=andy ?

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Re: Reason for GPS problems found!

2008-07-16 Thread nick loeve
Hi Andy (nice work BTW, you and the rest of the team)

On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 5:02 PM, Andy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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 Somebody in the thread at some point said:

 | FWIW i just flashed
 |
 http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200807/20080715/uImage-om-gta02-latest.bin
 | today and i got a fix outside with my sd card inserted. Previously i
 | never saw a satellite unless i took it out.
 |
 | Did that build have the patches i see at
 | http://git.openmoko.org/?p=kernel.git;a=shortlog;h=andy ?

 Those guys are built off stable branch going by the git hash, it
 doesn't have the latest patches in yet that are in andy.

 The only GPS-related patch it should have is one that stops power from
 idle / high UART TX pin leaking into GPS section when it is 'off', but
 that isn't directly suspected.

 So I dunno why your GPS is all happy after being happy the first time,
 but long may it last :-)


Yeah this is nice, but strange... as I have tried for more than the
last week to even see a satellite, in a range of conditions, and
positions, and sometimes for hours at a time.

Oh well, not complaining... :)

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Re: Replacing ASU/Qtopia keyboard with matchbox keyboard?

2008-07-15 Thread nick loeve
Hi

On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 1:17 PM, thomasg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 1:14 PM, Ken Restivo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I've installed the matchbox keyboard on my ASU installation, and I love
 it.

 matchbox-keyboard-im - 0.0+svnr1910-r10 -
 matchbox-keyboard-inputmethod - 0.0+svnr1910-r10 -
 qtopia-phone-x11-libinputmatch -
 4.3.2+git3+876ed02211e50547856491ad54a75299b62efe4c-r31 -

 Only problem is, how can I get the apps to use it as an input method
 instead of its own built-in QWERTY keyboard?

 Actually clicking on the keyboard's icon in the launcher is a disaster; it
 gives me three instances of the keyboard and fills up the screen so much
 that there's no way to open any other app, the only solution is to reboot
 the phone.

 Thanks.

 -ken

 I think the matchbox keyboard only works in matchbox without changes.

You might wanna checkout the work the guys at INdT are doing for the
mamona distro in regards to input methods and matchbox-keyboard

http://dev.openbossa.org/mamona/gitweb
http://dev.openbossa.org/mamona/gitweb?p=mamona.git;a=commit;h=78e9f72d21842297e29c2b627fed9e1f3e495a0d

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Re: Reason for GPS problems found!

2008-07-15 Thread nick loeve
Hi

On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 5:05 PM, arne anka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Maybe we should only insert the card once the fix is acquired. At
 least at times where we want to use both GPS and SD. Not much of a
 solution, but it still act as a workaround (provided the GPS is able
 to keep the fix once the SD is re-inserted).


 inserting the sd card requires the batter to be removed -- thus forcing th
 gps to a cold start ...
 i think we're back at the point where feeding data to the chip is
 meaningful ...

I do this using the utility at
http://svn.openmoko.org/developers/matt_hsu/agps-online/

Using my account details and current location i can get agps data
loaded, but it still makes no difference for me getting a fix if the
sd card is still in place.

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Re: Replacing ASU/Qtopia keyboard with matchbox keyboard?

2008-07-15 Thread nick loeve
Hi

On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 8:43 PM, Ken Restivo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 04:04:11PM +0200, nick loeve wrote:
 Hi

 On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 1:17 PM, thomasg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 1:14 PM, Ken Restivo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  I've installed the matchbox keyboard on my ASU installation, and I love
  it.
 
  matchbox-keyboard-im - 0.0+svnr1910-r10 -
  matchbox-keyboard-inputmethod - 0.0+svnr1910-r10 -
  qtopia-phone-x11-libinputmatch -
  4.3.2+git3+876ed02211e50547856491ad54a75299b62efe4c-r31 -
 
  Only problem is, how can I get the apps to use it as an input method
  instead of its own built-in QWERTY keyboard?
 
  Actually clicking on the keyboard's icon in the launcher is a disaster; it
  gives me three instances of the keyboard and fills up the screen so much
  that there's no way to open any other app, the only solution is to reboot
  the phone.
 
  Thanks.
 
  -ken
 
  I think the matchbox keyboard only works in matchbox without changes.

 You might wanna checkout the work the guys at INdT are doing for the
 mamona distro in regards to input methods and matchbox-keyboard

 http://dev.openbossa.org/mamona/gitweb
 http://dev.openbossa.org/mamona/gitweb?p=mamona.git;a=commit;h=78e9f72d21842297e29c2b627fed9e1f3e495a0d


 Another distro?! *sigh* The bane of Open Source-- everyone working on his or 
 her own sandbox instead of together on getting one distro solid and complete.

 Thanks. I didn't see this one listed in the distros Wiki page. Should I add 
 it?

Well it is not targeted at the OM devices, at least at the moment it
is primarily for nokia internet tablets.

But they have been working on some similar issues with
matchbox-keyboard and different UI toolkits and window managers


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Re: Value of headsets and pouches for 10 pack orders?

2008-05-17 Thread nick d.
Hi Aus people,

Neil: the info I got was referred to me by another Brisbane guy who pointed
me to the Buying over the internet page [1] which is where I got the 5%
from (check the table down the bottom).

Dennis: I did the UPS one and it came to around $170 which is drastically
different from $70 so maybe I did something wrong there. Nice work
interrogating Customs btw ;)

In summary, I'm clueless as to a definitive answer. Alex you work for the
ADO, so you must speak government-ese, maybe you can bring some clarity to
our situation...

-Nick

[1] http://www.customs.gov.au/site/page.cfm?u=5549


On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 9:37 PM, NeilBrown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Fri, May 16, 2008 3:59 pm, nickd wrote:
  That's strange. I'm in Brisbane and it worked out cheaper to buy in
  bulk. I estimated the postage as $70 for the bulk and $50 for individual
  (using AusPost's Int. parcel calculator). What was your
  postage/calculations? I've attached the worksheet I used to come to my
  amount.
 

 Maybe I'm missing something obvious, but where did you get the
 5% figure from?

 Looking at the different tariff classes in

 http://www.customs.gov.au/site/page.cfm?u=4273

 The openmoko could only possibly fall in section 16 and chapter 85.

 Of those the closest fit seems to be item 8517.
 (See http://www.customs.gov.au/webdata/resources/tariff/chapter85notes.pdf
 )
 According to
  http://www.customs.gov.au/webdata/resources/tariff/chapter85goods_b.pdf
 there are several subclasses of 8517, but the closest seems to be
 8517.12.00 - Telephones for cellular networks or for other
wireless networks

 which is Free of import duty.

 However I couldn't find Computer or PDA in Chapter 85, so
 maybe I'm missing something.

 But the above suggests that if the package is marked that it contains
 Cellular Telephony Devices (sounds more impressive than 'mobile phones')
 they should be customs-free ???

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Re: Our new Main page of wiki

2008-05-01 Thread Nick Guenther
It's not just the titles that are awkward, all the text sounds kind of
awkward. Brenda, don't be offended at this, but your first language is
not English is it? Perhaps you should leave the content of the
consumer-facing pages (at least, the ones that are in english) to
someone who has English intuition. I know, Openmoko is supposed to be
about Openness, but this is a little ridiculous.

On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 11:24 PM, Brenda Wang [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Here is the design environment I used.
  Attached file is the the look of main page design.
  My resolution is 1024*768
  Under Windows XP IE 6.0, Mac salaries  will look like the attached
 file.(1024*768 windows )
  Under Linux Firefox 2.0.0.13/Mac  Firefox 3.1, the  title  will turn to
 black. (My setting is use the default color)
  The wiki skin I used is Openmoko (default).

  Brenda



  Flemming Richter Mikkelsen wrote:

  On 4/18/08, Bastian Muck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
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   Too big? Which resolution do you use? 300x200? Ok, with 1920x1200 many
   things can be too small (specially flash videos and fixed sized hps) but
 I
   think this is also in an usual resolution too small.The solution to make
 it
   bigger at my browser is not the right way i think. Many people don't
 have
   good eyes and they should also can read the menu.
  
  
  
 
  This is a compromise between too big and including people which use
  too high resolution. If you have this big resolution, and you don't
  have any problems on other web pages, you don't have a problem here,
  right?
 
  Adjusting the font size is easy (ctrl-+), except if you use IE (you
  have to go on View - Text size - Largest if you use IE).
 
  Some people use special glasses when they use the computer... you
  cannot expect this wiki to use 24pt text. People like to see more than
  just a few words at a time. I want to see the whole page without
  horizontal scrolling and the whole index table without vertical
  scrolling. I think I am not the only one.
 
  I do not have larger resolution that 800x600 here (very little
  screen), and really hate too large fonts.
 
  That is just my opinion.
 
 
 

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Re: Ugliness (was Re: 10 PACK UPDATE!!!)

2008-04-26 Thread Nick Guenther
On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 4:15 PM, Stroller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  On 25 Apr 2008, at 16:25, Lowell Higley wrote:


  Nine out of ten typical consumers I show it to think it's ugly and
 wouldn't buy it because of looks alone.  If I show it to a techie type, I
 get the what are the specs? question.  Lesson?  To the consumer, beauty is
 only skin deep.

Perhaps, but consider also that most consumers hate cellphones because
they are too convoluted to use; perhaps a lot of them buy based on
looks, then, not because they are shallow, but because techies (like
us) force complexity down their throats that they never asked for and
so refuse to deal with deciding between.
Let's not look down from an ivory tower upon the unwashed masses of
consumers (especially since we are trying to win 'them' over to the
open way)!

 

  This is typical of the consumer, though (and of the place the mobile phone
 has taken in the mainstream, of reflecting the owner's personality).

To be fair, everything is about this though, not just mobiles. Cars
and homes and food choices and on and on.


  At the end of the day, there are a hundred mobile phone designs on the
 market - and for probably this reason. Substantially all mobile phones do
 the same thing - make  receive calls - and I guess appearance is a primary
 differentiation. If your one consumer in ten finds the Freerunner acceptable
 (or even, shudder!, attractive) enough to that they'll buy it, then
 Freerunner surely has a far greater market interest than most mobiles! It's
 all a matter of taste and I'll bet there are very few phones on the market
 which would be _universally_ considered non-ugly.

  We should also remember that OpenMoko is probably not aiming at the
 girlie market, of consumers for whom appearance and daintiness is the
 primary concern. I am reminded of a girl I knew two or three years ago who
 was pleased with her new mobile - it was a small clamshell design with a
 second screen on the outside; the outer screen showed the time or, when it
 rang, the caller's name or number. A screen saver was available for both
 screens - floating pink  pastel bubbles were chosen.

  When making calls is the only function then I do like small phones, but the
 aforementioned girlie phone had no features that appealed to me over any of
 the other clamshell designs available on the market for the past decade. The
 Freerunner is surely aimed to compete with phones based on Windows Moble 
 Symbian - phones on which email, calendaring  media playback are important
 features (it may even compete, then, with the PSP).

  The Freerunner will be replacing a Sony Ericsson P990i
 http://www.cellphonebeat.com/images/p990i_.jpg here - now THAT'S a phone
 which could barely be more ugly, but nevertheless it sold well on its
 features (and besides, ugliness is STILL only an opinion).

Personally I think the neo looks great. It looks much more slick and
refined than any stupid gaudy clamshell that I see a lot of my friends
with. (too bad the software isn't as slick yet). I have one friend who
said that the neo is the only phone that really feels comfortable in
his hand. Smallsmall phones (and iPods, and whathaveyou for that
matter) are just easier to break; they're diamond-encrusted stupid.

And there's no reason Openmoko couldn't appeal to a female demographic.

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Re: 99

2008-04-20 Thread Nick Guenther
It's not about paying more, it's about transparency and setting a
standard for others to follow.
I vote for 400$ also.

On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 7:27 PM, Kevin Dean [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I'm happy paying $399 for all ye who feel the need to pay $400 to make
  it even. :P Though, I'll hop on the even bandwagon if it's dropped as
  long as Openmoko makes profit. :)

  If you really want to pay more, you could set up a Tip a Developer 
 program...

  -Kevin



  On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 7:13 PM, Daniel Selinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 23:11:59 +0200
Alexey Feldgendler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  

 The prices for GTA02 and the debug board are $399 and $99,
 respectively. While there's nothing wrong with charging exactly 99
 dollars for something, the practice of reducing a round price by one
 dollar, AKA http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_pricing is
 often associated with cheap marketing tricks, trying to make the
 price look less than it is and so on. In my opinion, admitting that a
 hundred is a hundred and charging $400 and $100 for GTA02 and the
 debug board would fit better into the OpenMoko spirit of openness and
 transparency. Especially when most of the other prices out there end
 with 95 or 99, a round price tag will send a message: We're honest
 with you and aren't messing with your mind like others do.


  
nice thought
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Re: 99

2008-04-20 Thread Nick Guenther
On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 8:19 PM, Brandon Kruger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Sun April 20 2008 7:27:06 pm Kevin Dean wrote:
   I'm happy paying $399 for all ye who feel the need to pay $400 to make
   it even. :P Though, I'll hop on the even bandwagon if it's dropped as
   long as Openmoko makes profit. :)
  
   If you really want to pay more, you could set up a Tip a Developer
   program...
  
   -Kevin
  
   On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 7:13 PM, Daniel Selinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 23:11:59 +0200
   
 Alexey Feldgendler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  The prices for GTA02 and the debug board are $399 and $99,
  respectively. While there's nothing wrong with charging exactly 99
  dollars for something, the practice of reducing a round price by one
  dollar, AKA http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_pricing is
  often associated with cheap marketing tricks, trying to make the
  price look less than it is and so on. In my opinion, admitting that a
  hundred is a hundred and charging $400 and $100 for GTA02 and the
  debug board would fit better into the OpenMoko spirit of openness and
  transparency. Especially when most of the other prices out there end
  with 95 or 99, a round price tag will send a message: We're honest
  with you and aren't messing with your mind like others do.
   
 nice thought
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  This tip a programmer idea is very interesting.  What does the community
  think about setting up a site where people can say We'll each donate x
  amount once y feature is integrated or something of the sort.  This way,
  Openmoko can see what features are most important to the community and the
  community would be able to donate to OM to help develop and research future
  products.


No, don't do this! For one, the overhead of managing that is and
making sure all the details are fair to everyone is too much for what
it'll pull in. For two, it'll mean that features get implemented, but
not implemented well, and the coverage of features will be to the
preferences of whoever (linux-land hacker, remember) pays the most,
instead of what this phone needs to succeed commercially.
Seriously, stay on track guys.
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Re: I just want a free phone

2008-04-14 Thread Nick Guenther
On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 10:19 AM, Breakable [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi there,
 I read some discussions about the accessories to GTA02. In my humble opinion
 the community should not expect the OpenMoko Inc to provide all the
 accessories, as soon as the phone is released, especially for the
 non-consumer version yet. For now i would be happy to get the phone itself,
 and would bare with the inconvienience of searching for accessories in ebay,
 or anywhere else. I hope the communyti will start building and documenting
 whatever accesories are available. It might take some time, but the
 FreeRunner will popup in the local phone shops after a while, and then I
 would expect to have a full range of compatible accesories avalable locally.

 Regards,
 Breakable


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Re: Smart LCD birght/dim...

2008-04-12 Thread Nick Guenther
In particular, the wifi/gprs connection is going to suck a lot more
power than the dimming, and weather sites are never accurate to the
minute anyway (which *is* what you really need for this to be any
better than just having a readily accessible brightness slider).

On Sat, Apr 12, 2008 at 6:52 AM, Ortwin Regel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Exactly my thoughts: This sounds way too complicated to actually be
  useful. I'd rather adjust my brightness manually.



  On 4/12/08, Nick Guenther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 8:50 PM, Marco Trevisan (Treviño)
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Since Freerunner won't have an hardware light sensor to set its LCD
brightness, I got some ideas about smartly changing the luminance of the
GTA02 screen to save its battery (still with an unknown life time :/).
 Of course they aren't and never will be precise as an hardware sensor 
 is,
but it's the only thing we have:
   
 1) Setting the brightness following the hour of the day: also if the
   phone
can't know if it's sunny or cloudy, neither if you're indoor or outdoor,
it's clear that just knowing the hour of the day, the date and your
   latitude
(to be set once via GPS) the phone can easily know when the sun will rise
and set, and so it will be possible increasing or reducing the LCD
brightness.
 Also if you're indoor, I guess that when the sun is gone you won't 
 need
so much luminance...
   
 2) Using personal profiles that follow your habits: you could define, 
 for
each hour of each week day the presumed luminance, using something like
   a
calendar. I mean, if on working-days I generally stay indoor every day
   from
8:30 to 13:00 and from 15:00 to the 19:00 I figure that on these 
 intervals
   I
don't need all the LCD power, so I'll set in my calendar that on such
interval I'll be indoor...
 I guess that many of you would follow a routine durning the week, why
   don't
educate your phone for it!?
   
 3) Setting the luminance following the weather. Of course I've no light
sensors, neither a barometer :P, but if I've a working connection
   available
I could use the weather data downloaded every few minutes (60, for
   example)
from internet to change my screen brightness (of course merging these
informations with points 1 and 2)
   
 What do you think about them?
 I do think that they are really simple to implement, and that also if
   they
won't guarantee a perferct result, they could be a smart workaround.
   
 --
 Treviño's World - Life and Linux
 http://www.3v1n0.net/
   
  
  
   Or you could just... dim it after a few seconds and go blank after a
   minute like every other phone does. If we try to solve this by complex
   heuristics we're
   1) going to get it wrong
   2) going to end up wasting more battery in doing the computations than
   we save by them.
  
  
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Re: LCD protector

2008-04-12 Thread Nick Guenther
On Sat, Apr 12, 2008 at 5:13 PM, Ajit Natarajan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hello,

  A friend of mine who owns an iPhone purchased an LCD protector.  It is a
 sheet of clear material cut to the dimensions of the LCD screen.  When
 affixed to the screen, it doesn't affect touch screen operation. However, it
 resists scratching and fingerprints can simply be wiped off.

  Is this something that will be needed on the Freerunner?  Or does the
 Freerunner come with a scratch resistant screen/coating?  If a protector is
 needed, will there be an option to purchase it?

  My friend told me that one needs to be careful when affixing the protector,
 or ``bubbles'' will result.  It would be great if instructions could be
 included with the protector on the best technique to affix it.

I sliced off the edges of some of my old Palm protectors and stuck it
to my Neo. It gets bubbles at first but after some use they just
disappear.
-Nick

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Re: Smart LCD birght/dim...

2008-04-11 Thread Nick Guenther
On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 8:50 PM, Marco Trevisan (Treviño)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Since Freerunner won't have an hardware light sensor to set its LCD
 brightness, I got some ideas about smartly changing the luminance of the
 GTA02 screen to save its battery (still with an unknown life time :/).
  Of course they aren't and never will be precise as an hardware sensor is,
 but it's the only thing we have:

  1) Setting the brightness following the hour of the day: also if the phone
 can't know if it's sunny or cloudy, neither if you're indoor or outdoor,
 it's clear that just knowing the hour of the day, the date and your latitude
 (to be set once via GPS) the phone can easily know when the sun will rise
 and set, and so it will be possible increasing or reducing the LCD
 brightness.
  Also if you're indoor, I guess that when the sun is gone you won't need
 so much luminance...

  2) Using personal profiles that follow your habits: you could define, for
 each hour of each week day the presumed luminance, using something like a
 calendar. I mean, if on working-days I generally stay indoor every day from
 8:30 to 13:00 and from 15:00 to the 19:00 I figure that on these intervals I
 don't need all the LCD power, so I'll set in my calendar that on such
 interval I'll be indoor...
  I guess that many of you would follow a routine durning the week, why don't
 educate your phone for it!?

  3) Setting the luminance following the weather. Of course I've no light
 sensors, neither a barometer :P, but if I've a working connection available
 I could use the weather data downloaded every few minutes (60, for example)
 from internet to change my screen brightness (of course merging these
 informations with points 1 and 2)

  What do you think about them?
  I do think that they are really simple to implement, and that also if they
 won't guarantee a perferct result, they could be a smart workaround.

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Or you could just... dim it after a few seconds and go blank after a
minute like every other phone does. If we try to solve this by complex
heuristics we're
1) going to get it wrong
2) going to end up wasting more battery in doing the computations than
we save by them.


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Re: customized CPE

2008-04-04 Thread Nick Guenther
On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 11:32 PM, khang [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Taiwan  CPE  developers of  WiMax (etc..) are  looking  for  a new
 OS/plateform ,
 so  their  applications  won't   be  limited .
   We  are  planning
 1.City  surveillance (live  project) ---  installing  digital  camera
 wirelessly  sending   clear   image  back  to  control  center.
 2.Remote  medical  care --- sending  medical  data / warning  signals
 wirelessly  to  Hospital / doctors
 3.Home  security   ---  remote  monitoring  home  status  including  old
 people  and  child  safty
   using   WiMax  network ( mobile  Internet ) .
 Is  OpenMoko CPE   a  good  choice  for  niche  or  special   applications
 or  not ???
 Any  ideas ?
 If   not , many   of  the  developers  will   go  for  Android .  That  is
 not  good .

Let them. I don't particularly want our community work to be used to
implement Big Brother.
-Nick

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Re: (no subject)

2008-03-31 Thread Nick Guenther
On 3/31/08, Thinesh thusinthaka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I need to get into the community...

 add me in..


Why?

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Re: 3 nets

2008-03-30 Thread Nick Guenther
On 3/30/08, khang [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I would like  to  have an openmoko device (GTA0?)
 which can access  to 3 nets :Internet (email ,VoIP
 wikipedia etc..),phonenet(3G,GPRS..) and cablenet
 (IPTV, vedio on demand .. ).
 Is  it  possible ?

If you'd searched for news articles on Openmoko or the wiki, you would
know that GTA02 has a GSM chip for your 'phonenet' and an atheros wifi
chip for internet (or you can get internet via GPRS). As for cable.. I
doubt it. This thing is too tiny to have a coaxial connection, and the
processing power is probably too weak. This is a phone, not an
everything, keep on target please.

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Re: 3 nets

2008-03-30 Thread Nick Guenther
Probably. The neo is roughly about as powered as a zaurus, and I've
run mplayer on a zaurus before without too much degradation.

On Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 12:19 PM, Alexander Frøyseth
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Well
  Just one question, will it be able to watch movies on it?


  joerg skrev:

  Am So 30. März 2008 schrieb Nick Guenther:


  On 3/30/08, khang [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


  and cablenet
 (IPTV, vedio on demand .. ).
 Is it possible ?

  This thing is too tiny to have a coaxial connection, and the
 processing power is probably too weak. This is a phone, not an
 everything, keep on target please.

  Well I guess there are a lot of cable modems with WLAN.
 NEO is no phone, but only a something like a 300MHz/128MB computer. You
 won't
 find any in this class to do tricks like IPTV :-D (at least w/o a graphics
 video accelerator card, or other dedicated video hardware)

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Re: 2.6.24 kernel RNDIS is not work when I use the same NeoRndis.inf

2008-03-17 Thread Nick Guenther
On 3/17/08, polz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Monday 17 March 2008 10:03:04 Xiangfu Liu wrote:
   hi
  
   i flash my NEO1973 with the new kernel
   when i connect to the Windows XP
   it 's not  work
   i can see the Device in the computer but it is not work
   but it's work with Ubuntu.

 Have you installed the neccessary drvers ?

  Neo1973 presents itself as a USB ethernet card to the computer. Without the
  neccessary drivers, it can't work. The drivers are included with Ubuntu, For
  Windows, you're on your own.

  You'll also need a program to connect to your Neo. I suggest you use putty.


That's what NeoRndis.inf is for. So he has the driver installed,
that's not the problem. I think it seems like he knows what he's
doing, but just.. something is broken.

Xiangfu: do you see the Neo showing up in Network Connections or not?
Perhaps you need to uninstall the driver first and then plug the Neo
back in and let WinXP reinstall it and at the same time update some of
the many bits of secret Windows-data it uses to track devices?

-Nick

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Re: Coolest thing at ETech (other than Openmoko :-) ): Fireeagle

2008-03-05 Thread Nick Guenther
Big Brother much?

On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 4:48 PM, Dean Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 What its going to be.. is a series of api's to allow you to;

  'provide' your physical location (manual web entry-sms-gps phone
  app)

  'promote or interact out onto other platforms (facebook,blog, widgets
  etc) your location automaticgically.




  Regards,

  Dean Collins
  Cognation Pty Ltd
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  +1-212-203-4357
  +61-2-9016-5642 (Sydney in-dial).


   -Original Message-
   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:community-

  [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ivo Anjo
   Sent: Wednesday, 5 March 2008 4:25 PM
   To: List for OpenMoko community discussion


  Subject: Re: Coolest thing at ETech (other than Openmoko :-) ):
  Fireeagle
  
   I couldn't find a great deal of info about it. What is it really? Can
   anyone elaborate further?
  
   Ivo Anjo
  
   On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 9:17 PM, Dean Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  wrote:
I received a beta invite to it yesterday.
   
 I thought wow sounds neathmmm maybe not - there are no actual
 applications available and only supports manual web page entry of
  your
 location.
   
 Sure there's a bunch of 'potential alpha' api codes but nothing you
 couldn't hack together yourself.
   
 Like I said neat concept but came out of beta way way too early.
   
   
   
 Regards,
   
 Dean Collins
 Cognation Pty Ltd
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 +1-212-203-4357
 +61-2-9016-5642 (Sydney in-dial).
   
   
   
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  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:community-
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Shiloh
  Sent: Wednesday, 5 March 2008 3:47 PM
  To: List for OpenMoko community discussion
  Subject: Coolest thing at ETech (other than Openmoko :-) ):
  Fireeagle
 
  Take a look at this and think about what we can do on Openmoko
  with
 this:
 
  www.fireeagle.com
 
  Still in beta. Drop me a line if you want an invitation.
 
  Michael
 
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Re: Warning. Don't remove battery with usb power

2008-03-04 Thread Nick Guenther
Okay, thanks for the clarification. I was just concerned about hearsay
on the list. Thanks for the science.
-Nick


On Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 10:43 PM, Ben Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hey Nick,

  I've not looked at the electronics inside the neo myself but the sound
  is typical in the electronics world of a switchmode power supply under
  grate strain.

  I was told by someone on the irc channel that OM folks recommend you
  don't do it and
  being an electronics engineer myself i recommend this too. The sound is not
  something the phone should be emitting in normal operation.


  Nick Guenther wrote:
   On Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 7:45 PM, Ben Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   Hey,
  
Just a reminder to everyone *NOT* to pull out the battery while the neo
has USB power.
  
You may not have heard it but the phone gets quite angry. As evident by
a quiet scream the phone emits as the components in its power system
begin to vibrate closer to magic smoke land.
  
  
   Is this true? I haven't been worrying about the scream at all myself.
   how do you know the whine is from power components?
  
   -Nick
  


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Re: Warning. Don't remove battery with usb power

2008-03-03 Thread Nick Guenther
On Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 7:45 PM, Ben Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hey,

  Just a reminder to everyone *NOT* to pull out the battery while the neo
  has USB power.

  You may not have heard it but the phone gets quite angry. As evident by
  a quiet scream the phone emits as the components in its power system
  begin to vibrate closer to magic smoke land.

Is this true? I haven't been worrying about the scream at all myself.
how do you know the whine is from power components?

-Nick

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Re: OSX issue: Anyone successful to config RNDIS/Ethernet Gadget on 10.5.2

2008-02-29 Thread Nick Guenther
On 2/29/08, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi,
  I have now upgraded my Mac to 10.5.2 and tried to connect the OpenMoko
  through RNDIS.

  Opening the System Settings shows a new interface called RNDIS/
  Ethernet Gadget but it is shown as a Phone Modem. So, I can configure
  a phone number but no LAN address...

  Any success/idesas to save some time? As soon as it works, I can
  update the MacOSX wiki pages.

  Nikolaus


When are you plugging the phone in? If you plug it in at bootloader
maybe Leopard is remembering the device it saw there, and not the
ethernet gadget that the kernel presents.

-Nick

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Re: Idea of a voice mail application

2008-02-29 Thread Nick Guenther
On 2/29/08, Dean Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 ... and if your boss heard a message like this - come Monday you'd be 
 looking for a new job.

  Can I suggest that you don't really have the processing power onboard the 
 neo to perform a real intelligent call routing application (and yes I'm about 
 to be shot down yet again for suggesting that FIC build a web services 
 component to their product offering) - this should be handled off deck in 
 conjunction with an on handset processing capability.

hahahahaha, web services? The processing power needed to parse the XML
(or even the JSON) is going to be more than it takes to determine
these voicemail profiles. They just have to be small scripts that get
passed a call and decide receive or hang up. There could even be a
library of such community-submitted scripts for different sorts of
lifestyles.

  For an example of what I'm proposing check out www.iotum.com and their 
 blackberry intelligent call routing application.

  Oh and if an VC reads this and wants to discuss further I have a full mockup 
 of a number of web services applications that should be bundled into the FIC 
 platform.

What are they written in?

-Nick

   -Original Message-
   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:community-
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marco Trevisan (Treviño)
   Sent: Friday, 29 February 2008 12:34 PM
   To: community@lists.openmoko.org
   Subject: Re: Idea of a voice mail application
  
   siaPeter Trapp ha scritto:
Hi everybody,
   
I thought about the possibility of a voice mail installed on the neo.  
 The
idea is to let the application decide if you are reachable for the 
 caller or
not. The decision will be done on profiles (time, who is calling, what 
 to do
(let it ring or answer directly) ).
   
Eg:
Saturday 10:00pm and your boss is calling (and you have a signal)
Neo is aware that it is weekend and who is calling. It just turns on 
 the
voice mail...
   
Dear Boss, actually it is weekend and I just don't want to get some work 
 right
now. Sorry, my neo will not even inform me that you've called. So don't 
 try
again later. It would not help until Monday 9am! Have a nice weekend
   
  --- without the possibility to leave a message  ;)
  
   Cool, but your caller will pay for this.. So maybe it won't be so happy :P
  
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Re: Bootin from SD

2008-02-29 Thread Nick Guenther
Rewriting the u-boot is not /that/ dangerous. I don't have a debug
board either and I've done it about 10 times now. Just make sure all
your batteries have full power, and your USB cords are plugged in
snugly, and don't trip onto your neo while doing it.

On 2/29/08, Emre Turkay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 (Sorry for the previous digest reply..)

 On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 12:03 PM, Emre Turkay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
  By the way, I don't have a debug board and I would prefer to not rewrite
 the uboot. The uboot on the device is the one intalled by FIC before I got
 it. It's from May.19.2007.
 
  
   From: Mike Montour [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   To: community@lists.openmoko.org
   Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 19:24:34 -0800
   Subject: Re: Booting from SD
   Ortwin Regel wrote:
The problem might be your u-boot version. Try this one:
   
 http://buildhost.automated.it/u-boot-good-for-sd-boot-r13_0_2632_0.bin
It's what I've been using successfully. I never could get it to work
with other u-boot versions I tried.
  
   SD-booting in u-boot was broken for several months but as of late
   January it is fixed (or at least worked-around; the root cause of the
   bug has not yet been identified). The link you posted will boot from SD,
   but it has other bugs that have been fixed in later versions.
  
   Regarding the original problem, it is likely related to the 2.6.24
   kernel. The GTA01 SD-card driver was broken for a while. My
   understanding is that it is now functional, but that it is still
   configured to emit a large amount of debugging information. Things
   should work fine with a 2.6.22.5 kernel as long as you have the
   corresponding modules installed on your root filesystem.
  
  
 


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Re: FAX2PDF with OpenMoko?

2008-02-26 Thread Nick Guenther
On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 12:02 PM, kenneth marken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Tuesday 26 February 2008 17:46:28 Tilman Baumann wrote:
   Nils Faerber wrote:
   Fax is dead.
  

  yep, instead one should start to see printers with a built in mailing system
  so that one could assign a mail address to it, and have it auto-print said
  mail, complete with attachments of it came in pdf or odf...


Or you know.. we could just use email, like we already do, and save the paper.
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Re: Question for OpenMoko: can we please buy just a battery?

2008-02-21 Thread Nick Guenther
Okay, but let's not get distracted: can we *just* buy a battery?
((Some of us don't have skills with a soldering iron (yet).))

-Nick

On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 12:00 PM, Kyle Bassett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I can second this.  I have used a similar design in some mobile handheld
 prototypes, holds up quite well!  Much more efficient.

 -Kyle



 On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 5:13 AM, Marcus Bauer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:

 
  For those with a soldering iron I can recommend mintyboost [1]
 
  Works great here, two AA batteries extend the life of the Neo for about
  two hours.
 
  As it is a dumb charger you need to manually activate fast charge,
  otherwise the Neo will only pull 100mA.
 
  Make sure you test the output voltage with a voltmeter before connecting
  it to the Neo for the first time. Mine gives perfect 5.02V.
 
  [1] http://www.ladyada.net/make/mintyboost/
 
 
 
 
 
  On Wed, 2008-02-20 at 17:31 -0800, ian douglas wrote:
   I raised this question to Michael at SCALE 6x and wanted to publicly ask
   it as well but had forgotten until the latest list of messages on the
   device-users list about battery life times and charging.
  
   Is it possible to purchase *just* a battery from you guys?
  
   Thanks,
   Ian
 
 
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Re: GTA02 Battery Capacity (Was: Re: More about the GTA02)

2008-02-08 Thread Nick Guenther
On Feb 8, 2008 4:04 AM, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hello,

 I've researched this a little, and this is what I've learned:

 1. We are still looking at a number of different batteries, so there is
 no final capacity or feature set determined yet.

 2. The capacity will most likely be around 1200mA.

 If you find any place on the wiki that says something other than 1200mA,
 can you please make the correction? You may reference this email.

Oh. That's... really disappointing. The battery life is already
unusable, and the faster processor and wifi will just make this even
worse.

-Nick

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Re: New to OpenMoko

2008-01-17 Thread Nick Guenther
On 1/16/08, andy selby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On 16/01/2008, Wilkinson, Alex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Ok, OpenMoko newb (waiting for FreeRunner release) - so bare with me.
 
  Why would I use Qtopia images as opposed to OpenMoko images ?

 I haven't flashed an openmoko image in a while so I'm not sure how
 easy it is to get it usable as a phone but qtopia worked straight away
 and..

 *I like the UI
 *There is a gps app on qtopia
 *Usable with fingers (I lost my stylus)
 * ..Err help me out here Lorn

 Unfortunatly

 *there is no terminal
 *if it doesnt register to the network the phone stays locked

When this happens to me I just reboot it and the next time it works
(stays unregistered but I can use the apps).

 * battery life of ~ 5hours

Isn't this a hardware problem? The max idling time is about 7 hours
for the OpenMoko software; for actually using it as a phone, probably
5 hours.

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Re: New to OpenMoko

2008-01-17 Thread Nick Guenther
On 1/17/08, Barry Steele [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi Folks,
 I've flashed the rootfs and a new kernel.

 So then I got all excited and inserted my SIM into it and powered up.

 Turns out I should have read some more.  My current phone (Nokia N80 -
 can I run openmoko on that?), is a 3G phone and it seems that the neo
 doesn't like it.

 I then stole one of my teams SIM and it fired up fine.  I get a GSM
 signal but cant make phone calls.

 I am still finding my way around the phone.

 I noticed that the icons disappeared from the home page, anyway I'm off
 to investigate the machine.

Sometimes they crash.
Use Qtopia.

 One thing though

 cu -l /dev/ttyACM0

 Only gives errors at present
 cu: open (/dev/ttyACM0): Permission denied
 cu: /dev/ttyACM0: Line in use


cu is finicky. Do `chown uucp.uucp /dev/ttyACM0`

 My Linux systems skills obviously need honing.

 Anyway, I'll head off and study now.

 Stay well,
 Barry

 Michael Shiloh wrote:
  Welcome to OpenMoko, Barry!
 
  All you need to do is flash a new kernel and file system. Get the
  latest from
 
  http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/neo1973/deploy/glibc/images/neo1973/
 
  Good luck and let us know how it goes,
 
  Michael
 
 
  Barry Steele wrote:
  Hi,
  I just took delivery of a neo1973 (I'm in Australia btw, Sydney).
  I have inserted the microSD and SIM cards and booted the machine up.
 
  I get the boot logo and then Linux tries to start but I get the
  following:
 
  Kernel Panic- not syncing: No init found.  Try passing init= option
  to kernel
 
  While I have a fair bit of Linux experience, I have no idea how to
  connect to the machine or edit files or whatever.
 
  I am looking on the Openmoko site, but I would really appreciate any
  advice.
 
  I am very excited by this.
 
  Stay well,
  Barry
 
 
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Re: OpenMoko will be at SVHMPC meeting TONIGHT in Menlo Park

2008-01-17 Thread Nick Guenther
On 1/16/08, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Good question, Jeffrey, and you suggest a question that I'd like to ask
 you, the community:

 Why do you chose to develop on OpenMoko, rather than on Android? Or do
 you do both?

 (Beside the lack of Android hardware)

 Michael

I could butter it up but it comes down to this: OpenMoko is
disorganized but Google is Evil.

In particular, the Android license
http://code.google.com/android/terms.html does not sit well with me:
 9.3 Google may at any time, terminate this License Agreement with you if:
[...]
(C) the partner with whom Google offered certain parts of SDK (such as
APIs) to you has terminated its relationship with Google or ceased to
offer certain parts of the SDK to you; or

(D) Google decides to no longer providing the SDK or certain parts of
the SDK to users in the country in which you are resident or from
which you use the service, or the provision of the SDK or certain SDK
services to you by Google is, in Google's sole discretion, no longer
commercially viable. 


But that's just me
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Re: NO VOICE WHEN USING VOIP IN QTOPIA

2008-01-17 Thread Nick Guenther
On 1/17/08, Mikael Lammentausta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  2008/1/16, 左 国坤 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  Hi, Lorn,
 
  I have tried
  alsactl -f /etc/alsa/capturehandset.state restore
  but no any improvement.
 
  can you please tell me when you release your improved snapshot?
 
  Regards.
 
  George
 
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   件名: RE: NO VOICE WHEN USING VOIP IN QTOPIA
   From: LORN POTTER [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ,LIST FOR OPENMOKO COMMUNITY
 DISCUSSION
  community@lists.openmoko.org
   日付: 15-01-2008 10:39 am
  
  
   左 国坤 wrote:
Hi, all
   
I am using VOIP by compile Qtopia 4.3.1 Open source for Neo1973
 Phase1.
I need your help to clear some problems.
   
1, Incoming call
 ringtone OK, Answer OK, Hold OK, But No VOICE from Caller, and vice
  versa.
   
2, Out Call
 Keeping with 'Dialing' status, NO Call Tone, No connection to the
 other
end
   
I am a newbie in using Qtopia, maybe something missed in setting when
building.
  
   Nope. something is missing from Qtopia :)
   We are currently working on this, I think I will post a new snapshot
   image when voip is working.
  
   You man manually run alsactl -f /etc/alsa/capturehandset.state restore
   and try that.
  

 You can also try this:


 mount the qtopia image, insert this into /etc/init.d/qpe on line 64: alsactl
 -f /etc/gsmhandset.state restore



 Save the image to a jffs2 file and re-flash the device.

 I've no idea how this differs from the instructions you had earlier, but I
 don't think it hurts either. Worked for me.


It's probably a timing issue tied to when the GSM chip is powered up.

-Nick

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Re: NO VOICE WHEN USING VOIP IN QTOPIA

2008-01-17 Thread Nick Guenther
2008/1/17 左 国坤 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 Hi, Nick

 tks for your advice.

Oh! Oh no, don't be thankful. It was totally a guess. I ONE HUNDRED
PERCENT disclaim that I know about anything I'm talking about.
Try what Mikael suggested first and report back.
 (btw you can edit qpe.sh onboard the neo, just ssh into it and use
vi--there's no need to reflash the entire image)

 how can i kill the gsm function in software level?
 if using openmoko fw, the gsm can be turned down easily, but when using
 Qtopia, it seems no menu to kill
 gsm module or process. Maybe I have to do some configure before build Qtopia
 source, if it is, how to do it?

I'll respond to this for the curiousity, not for giving actual helpful
advice: I'm not sure. Maybe buried in Main Menu-Settings-Call
Networks-GSM somewhere. Or maybe if you go into Home
Screen-Options-Options-Airplane Safe Mode and out again.

 By the way, I am using a USB connection to internet via bridging host PC
 ethernet, but not GSM, when
  using VoIP.


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Re: office

2008-01-15 Thread Nick Guenther
On Jan 15, 2008 5:45 PM, Tim Shannon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Is anyone aware of any office apps being developed for openmoko.  I'm not so
 much concerned with editing as I am viewing.  Are there any lightweight
 office viewing apps that would be compatible with open office, and m$
 office?

None that I know of. My first guess would be a port of Abiword.

-Nick

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