Re: [Shr-User] Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?
Risto H. Kurppa wrote: Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone? yes Do you use FR as your primary PDA? yes What distribution you run most of the time? SHR If you don't use FR as your daily phone/PDA, what phone did you change over to, and why? Thank you :) r ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New Life in Openmoko Phones
Dave Ball wrote: Max wrote: Are there plans to change uSD placeholder? No - changing uSD holder isn't part of the GTA02-core plans. In GTA02-core the intention is that the uSD card contains the full OS image including kernel. The NAND will only contain QI, and the expectation is that QI won't need to be re-flashed regularly. GTA02-core can't start if the card is missing, and there's no possibility of swapping out the card while the phone is switched on. Thus the uSD is rather like a standard PC's OS hard drive, and rather unlike 'removable' media types. This is how some folk are using the uSD at the moment, with one or multiple distro images on an uSD card. Upgrading a distribution, or fixing a broken install is then possible by removing the uSD and mounting it in a regular PC, without necessarily re-flashing through dfu. With GTA02-core, each distro can have a kernel ( modules etc) it's matched to, because the kernel is part of the distro's filesystem image. This also means that our internal storage is upgradable, as new uSD devices become economical etc. One thought is that future phones should include two uSD cards - one 'internal' for OS/kernel etc. and one that is 'removable' for data storage/exchange - although this is out of scope for GTA02-core. Or having a special USB HUB for the OpenMoko device that simultaneously can: - charge your device (via USB to laptop or via charger) by connecting master devices - connect slave devices as memory sticks and keyboards - connect with mini USB to the OpenMoko device and normal USB to master and sleve devices All the best, Dave ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: DON'T PANIC
Klaus 'mrmoku' Kurzmann wrote: Am Dienstag 19 Mai 2009 12:43:25 schrieb Johny Tenfinger: On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 11:41, Helge Hafting helge.haft...@hist.no wrote: Johny Tenfinger wrote: DON'T PANIC uBoot splashscreen If you are using SHR from microSD an Qi, you can use that bootsplash when whole system is booting just in just 2 steps: Is it necessary to boot off the microSD? I have SHR in the internal flash, as it fits nicely there. Helge Hafting With Qi - yes (unless you recompile Qi with other boot options). doesn't Qi check for /boot/append-GTA02 on flash too? With u-boot - no, but you have to add loglevel=0 splash to bootargs. Can default Qi be rebuild that displaying the splash screen is independent from where you boot? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
opkg: fork failed segmentation fault
Hi, I'm running on testing distro an opkg upgrade via wifi and get this at the end: opkg: fork failed Segmentation fault What is going on and how to fix this. Thanks, Pander ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Announce] Intel and Nokia announce open source telephony project (oFono)
Lorn Potter wrote: Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote: (Private note: I have this strange sense of Deja Vu :-), although it's been a long time since we had this argument :-) On Tuesday 12 May 2009 02:56:12 Lorn Potter wrote: Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote: Yeah, that's pretty sad. They should have picked FSO or even Pyneo or at least something that is already in development for quite a while. This way it looks like NIH syndrome. kettle calling the pot black... I always thought one of open source's strengths was choice. What sounds like an asset is a liability thanks to fragmentation. I'd rather chose among few great options than lots of medicre ones. Until now, trying to co-work with these guys typically went like yeah, you can take our APIs, if you want. No, we don't want to look at yours, thanks.. This is partly due to the fact that they planned the roadmap forward in years, not weeks or months, not to mention the waterfall development style they are probably using. It might have been developed internally for quite some time before this. Which doesn't make me more confident in their ability to shape the platform APIs _together_ with the application developers as opposed to merely impose it on them. If it continues to be like that, FSO has a bright life. In contrast to that, FSO rather embraces application developer's requests. Lets see what happens this time. You tell me, is Nokia opening up and really embracing open source? http://qt.gitorious.org/qt That's Qt and they have inherited this style from Trolltech. But it isn't Trolltech that gave the ok for this to go ahead. Nokia had to sign off on it too. The way Nokia has developed Maemo it was always about take it or leave it the way it is. True. But Nokia is paranoid about patents and copyrights and licenses and such things. Which might explain one reason why this has been true. Open source does not necessarily mean an open development process, you should know that better than me :) I think that most open source projects have a rather closed development process. Just some simplified thoughts (my 2 euro cents): Invitation to major companies: give lead developers of a certain open source technology you want to adopt an air plane ticket to your office and sit down for an afternoon. Those guys (and girls) can also work under a contract with/for you or you could assign some developers of your own to work with them. Just do lots of operational risk management to guarantee a successful outcome (=proper project management). I know it sounds a bit daring, because major companies cannot afford to have a zillion phones produced without properly working software to go with it. From the other side, complete automated test suits integrated in release management, like Android is using, is lacking in FSO/SHR. such a tighter procedure could be used to control the risks in releases and lower the threshold for outside investors. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Announce] Intel and Nokia announce open source telephony
Steve 'dillo Okay (Roadknight Mobility Labs) wrote: On May 11, 2009, at 13:26 , community-requ...@lists.openmoko.org wrote: On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 9:34 PM, David Reyes Samblas Martinez da...@tuxbrain.com wrote: Ok another api framework for smartphones,this time provided by big guys, but which hardware?, I haven't see any reference on that in the web site. any clue any one? OpenNoko anyone ? :) LOL Why don't they adapt what is already out there... Otherwise it would be OpenNono ---Steve ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Announce] Intel and Nokia announce open source telephony
Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote: On Wednesday 13 May 2009 00:17:26 Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 07:52:48AM +1000, Carsten Haitzler wrote: On Tue, 12 May 2009 16:40:48 +0200 Pander pan...@users.sourceforge.net said: Steve 'dillo Okay (Roadknight Mobility Labs) wrote: On May 11, 2009, at 13:26 , community-requ...@lists.openmoko.org wrote: On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 9:34 PM, David Reyes Samblas Martinez da...@tuxbrain.com wrote: Ok another api framework for smartphones,this time provided by big guys, but which hardware?, I haven't see any reference on that in the web site. any clue any one? OpenNoko anyone ? :) LOL Why don't they adapt what is already out there... Otherwise it would be OpenNono the simple version it seems is that they simply don't like fso's api. marcel holtmann said its too low-level and they don't see it as something they want. ask them for more details - but tat seems to be the gist of it. I'm a layman but that seems bonkers if that's their official argument... they could always add a layer above it :( Besides that a) it really isn't too low level -- it's rather an appropriate compromise between the 3GPP specs and what applications want to know -- and b) there's an even higher level already available in FSO called ophone. Perhaps they are aiming at this high level API: void do_it(void); :M: ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Illume keyboard questions
more info and keyboards can be found here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Illume#List_of_illume_keyboards Laszlo KREKACS wrote: Hi! I'm pretty impressed with the illume keyboard (and was a major part of my decision of buying the freerunner), and want to play with it a bit more. I would like to ask some questions and would like to propose two features. 1. What are the numbers in the dictionary? I assume they are some occurence in the given language (english by default). So how much is 200? Or what are the hundred percent number? So if I want to create a dictionary with only 40 words in it (and assuming there are no other (key)words in that language) what should be the numbers? 2. Does the alphabetical order counts? So If I write a dictionary like this: bash 200 cat 200 python 200 -- !!! here we go find 200 grep 200 kill 200 killall 200 ls 200 ps 200 top 200 Does it will recognize the word python, as they are *not* in alphabetical order? Feature request 1: I would like to have different dynamic dictionary for each dictionary. Currently we have only one dynamic dictionary under ~/.e/e/dicts-dynamic/personal.dic The problem with this setup, that if I create a dictionary for my own language and create an another one for special purpose (which contains only 40 words). And I regularly write english texts, native language texts and shell commands, they will pollute each other. So the keyboard will suggest english words in my native language and bash commands when I write english text. Feature request 2: I plan to write tables where one column will be english and the other an another language. So I would like to change the illume dictionary programatically. Is it possible currently? (I would like to use python for the program) Best regards, Laszlo ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Miscellaneous small SHR issues
Hi all,
I am running SHR unstable (with which I am very happy) but have some
small issues that could easily be fixed and improve SHR immediately.
1) Sending multipart SMS results in no SMS being received by receiving
party.
2) I don't car if it is Qi, kernel or distro, but can these messages
disappear at boot time:
'... Unknow boot option ...'
3) Almost the same question about the '... callback ...' messages
when suspending. I simply don't care about them.
4) I'm still using my Sony Ericsson SIM contacts in that have names in
the form Last;First/1 see https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/2085 A
simple:
semicolon = name.find(';')
type = name.find('/')
if semicolon != -1 and type != -1 and len(name) == type + 2:
name = name[semicolon+1:type] + ' ' + name[:type]
can fix displaying these contacts. Can this be applied for the lookup
mechanism in the dailer, messages, phonelog and contacts?
5) After today, upgrade, I get this warning:
Error loading module
... connman/linux-gnuabi-arm-ver-pre-svn-01/n ...
would you liketo unload this module
Is this module obsolete now or did something go wrong with my upgrade?
6) Many applications run in debug loggin level (.e.g. phonelog). What
would be a good script to set an entire unstabel distro and all its
applications from a debug/info/warning/error to a warning/erroronly level?
Thanks,
Pander
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Re: Debuzzing
Timo Jyrinki wrote: 2009/5/8 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@computer.org: The rework itself is essentially for free and Openmoko provides an additional free battery to make good your efforts and the time you don't have the Freerunner to use. I agree that this is _the_ deal for anyone in EU. Getting a new battery in practice covers even the postage costs. Purchased my rework already. Thank you a lot for making this happen, and also to Openmoko Inc for showing some support to an initiative like this. -Timo I had my phone recently fixed in a fix party in Germany. Do I also get a free battery? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: DON'T PANIC
David Reyes Samblas Martinez wrote: LOL It's a pitty Qi doesn't has bootsplash It really fits +1 2009/5/9 Joerg Reisenweber jo...@openmoko.org: DON'T PANIC uBoot splashscreen http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/bootsplash ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR-testing] create contact from pyphonelog entries
See this also table: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Stable_Hybrid_Release#Feature_overview Please update this table when you find new functionality of issues with existinf functionality. Bram Mertens wrote: Great, haven't seen that seen I've only subscribed to (only heard about it's exisitng) this week. Any idea when this would make it to testing? I seem to recall reading somewhere that SHR-testing is currently more recent than SHR-unstable. Is thta no longer true or is there another reason why this newer version of opimd is not in SHR-testing? Regards Bram On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 12:36 AM, Al Johnson openm...@mazikeen.demon.co.uk wrote: It can be done with elmphonelog, but requires new functionality from opimd that isn't in shr-testing. It works in shr-unstable though. This was announced on the shr-user list about a week ago. On Monday 04 May 2009, jeremy jozwik wrote: yes i would also like to know this one. the SHR phone log desperately needs this -- Forwarded message -- From: Bram Mertens mertensb.ma...@gmail.com Date: Mon, May 4, 2009 at 2:49 PM Subject: [SHR-testing] create contact from pyphonelog entries To: community@lists.openmoko.org Hi So far I've been unable to figure out how to access the list of contacts on my SIM so it looks like I'll need to enter them again or import them somehow. I already have a number of recieved/mised calls that I can access from pyphonelog. Is it possible to convert/export these somehow so I can create contacts out of this list? All phones I have owned/used/seen have a feature like this where you can use a number to create a contact, send an SMS message, etc. Going further being to do the same from number in SMS messages would be great too. Thanks in advance. Bram ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Ain't it funny..
Marcel wrote: Am Dienstag, 5. Mai 2009 08:27:59 schrieb Risto H. Kurppa: OM2009 testing 2 was released some days ago. So far ~3 e-mails on the list about it. New version of Mokomaze was released some days ago, too. Around 50 mails. To me this tells that people are more interested in Mokomaze than OM2009. I just prefer Debian over all these opkg-based distros because I love apt and the huge Debian repositories (besides also having sid on my desktop). Opkg-packaged software is being spread over various repos which one shouldn't mix too much and opkg simply feels ... unfriendly. On the other hand the fso stuff for example (not even thinking about elementary) gets packaged for opkg first and later for Debian, but there's always a downside... :) For better compatability between deb and opkg, I am still in favour of using the debian/ubuntu categories in opkg. See this thread from December: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-December/038472.html and http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-December/038546.html -- Marcel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Finally buzz free and media attention
Hi all, I am very happy to announce that the buzz fix party in Germany from Daniel Willmann successfully fixed my FreeRunner. Thanks to all involved and I hope all FreeRunners can be fixed. Wouldn't it be nice to publish a success story on linux devices, freshmeat, digg, etc. I think it is quite unique and noteworthy that an open community is doing hardware fixes on such a global scale (community bugfixes is already trivial). OpenMoko's FreeRunner can use a bit of positive news. Pander ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: openmoko neo shape
Ed Kapitein wrote: SNIP PS: where should the stylus be inserted ? on the left hand side there is a small hole, just above the speaker. You can insert the stylus there, but it might take considerable force. Kind regards, Ed In the empty beer bottle ? Someone asked me if it was a shaving apparatus... Anyways, the devices good and the casing is robust. Luckily after the buzz fix, people don't ask me: Are you calling from inside a train? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Finally buzz free and media attention
Mile Davidovic wrote: Yes, this will be great idea. Is it possible to collect all hw fixes on one place? A Wiki page would be a good place. A nice complete story with some pictures and naming all the fix parties. Sites like digg, slashdot and linux device can then point to that page. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Draft of 17th community update
sushama wrote: Dear All, The draft of 17th community update is available here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/April_30%2C_2009 Please feel free to add/edit any information that I have missed out. This update is for the period from April 18th to April 30th.The update will be released on April 30th. Something to add for the PyFlash notice: PyFlash 0.5 will have flashcards for all katakana, hiragana and different groups of kanji, with increasing in difficulty. Regards, Sushama ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: News Openmoko Shop Pulster
Christoph Pulster wrote: Our price of Freerunner GTA02 is 249 eur. Buying two units its 229 eur. I like to support two-person-communities AKA Openmoko-friends. Second we add a small english booklet to each order for free. http://www.pulster.de/engl/images/medium/handbuch-engl.jpg Besides you can add a free laserpen to any order: http://www.pulster.de/engl/images/big/laserpen-1.jpg I have had two of these pens and for both the laser pointer and the LED were most of the time dimmed. This was probably because of bad conduction with the batteries. If I unscrew the pen they would sometimes light up at full power, when pressing the buttons. The idea is very good but the quality guarantee is, in my opinion, not so high. Feel free to do with this feedback as you please. Perhaps a poll would give a more objective insight in the quality of these devices. have fun, Chris Openmoko Shop www.pulster.eu ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Pulster Openmoko Shop - new: Bluetooth Keyboard
David Reyes Samblas Martinez wrote: 2009/4/22 arne anka openm...@ginguppin.de: But I was wondering it if it can be powered from USB when the battery is full. And if not, how efficient it is to charge and discharge the battery at the same time. yes, i thought as much -- and was wondering why that should be totally unreasonable (and why the idea did not occur to other peoples). I just think that if it will be wired together will be more energy efficient to have an usb keyboard than a bt keyboard+bt neo antenna+neo battery drained by the keyboard , nevertheless I will try to measure how high is that drainage on charge and when battery is full charged when I got some free time If you remove/disable/don't-use the caps lock, scroll lock and num lock LEDs, the power consumption of an external USB keyboard will be minimal. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Pulster Openmoko Shop - new: Bluetooth Keyboard
Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote: openm...@pulster.de (Christoph Pulster) writes: I am trying to expand range of accessories to the Openmoko Freerunner, I hope you enjoy it. Thank you very much. Any chance you could start selling Y-cables (USB cables that make it possible to charge neo while using usb devices at the same time)? This would be very useful when using usb 3G stick. I don't want to unplug it when I charge the phone since then I'd the connection would drop. +1 for a keyboard like this one that is connected via USB and offers an USB 'in' and USB 'out' port for simultaniously charging and using a 3G stick. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Why enlightenment?
are playing catch up. if all you want is your usual grey boxy normal widget ui - gtk is fine. but if you want to get interesting. if you want do do imaginative things with layout and layering and compositing... efl has it. it was built for it. no one stops you from using gtk - it still works and is there. you are free to use it if you simply prefer it or love it and wont try something else. yes. i didnt bring qt in (i eliminated it due to c++ and earlier at the start it was eliminated due to licensing). now what other major toolkits are there. fltk is pretty minor and most others are too so there you are not going to be choosing your toolkit by popularity as they are all more niche. note - i was invited to openmoko so i didnt CHOOSE efl. there was already deep interest before i came. i didn't just join then make it all e. Carsten, Thanks that you took the time to explain it more in depth. Could you (or others) give me some advise ragarding the following. I'm working on an application that was written by others in PyGTK. I like it because I can write in Python. Advantage of this GTK application is that I and others can run it easily on an Ubuntu desktop. Does something like 'PyEnlightenment' exist? Is this Paroli? If I was to port the application to Paroli or a 'PyEnlightenment', would it also work for noob users on desktops, i.e. can such a toolkit be installed via apt-get from the default Linux distribution repository? Thanks, Pander Effectively you are saying nothing else was good enough. But that is what everybody says when you ask them why they created something, they say I needed it, and it wasn't there already. Could you be more specific on which features you want, and why other toolkits can not deliver them? Or give an example of where other libraries where just to slow? Bram On Sun, 2009-04-19 at 11:28 +1000, Carsten Haitzler wrote: On Thu, 16 Apr 2009 17:11:37 +0200 Bram Neijt bne...@gmail.com said: as such the choice of enviornment, thanks to it running x, is not limited, you can use qt, gtk, sdl, fltk etc. e is a window manager - it happens to also have spawned toolkits that lend themesleves to unique custom ui's and much more flexibility than the larger toolkits. trust me on this - gtk's theme system comes courtesy of me - i wrote it years ago. i know how far you will be able to push gtk (without breaking it and effectively creating a new incompatible toolkit). qt until a few months ago has a major license issue - GPL for a library forces ALL apps to effectively be GPL. for the entire development of gta02 it was GPL. GPL inherently restricts the freedom of app developers to NOT make software GPL (MIT, BSD or any other license they choose). if you chose to ship with a GPL toolkit - then you limit what app developers can do. so qt was right out (and i know a whole bunch of developers who simply dont want todo c++ in order to use qt - they want to use c or something else). so gtk has its limits - also i have heard enough complaints of it being slow - and that is from commercial developers in big electronics houses. they really are not squeakingly happy with gtk and are hunting for other solutions. qt had the license problems until a few months ago. so what other choices do you have if you have eliminated qt for license reasons and you think gtk is just not up to snuff and is unlikely to get there easily without major breaks? True, I expected to like the Freerunner as a phone and thought the whole freedom would just be an added bonus. If the phone isn't that good, I could always fix small bugs and help out. However, it turns out that I can't understand the direction the mainstream development is going, and with this small community, the bugs in other distributions are not small at all. So I seem have to make a choice: put in allot of time, or stick with a product that I can't understand. The last option is just to sell the thing before the value drops to much and buy something else. As you say, choices had to be made and this is it. I don't think I'm closer to understanding the reasoning behind choosing for e, but maybe this is just an opinion, and we should leave it at that. In the meantime I think I'll just have to reset my expectations, and decide what I want to do with this phone. Thank you for your reply. Bram On Thu, 2009-04-16 at 15:02 +0200, arne anka wrote: So what if the company decided to use that money for something you do not want to be part of, or you think they are throwing away your money doing stupid things. Well, I think at that moment you should pawn the product, not endorse it (maybe even publicly denounce it) and then find another company or product you can be happy with. that's a constellation you have to cope with in every commercial product (and even in others, too, though you might not measure your investments in terms of money). what's more, with most companies you don't neither have
PyFlash 0.4 is out
Hi all, PyFlash 0.4 is out, see http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Pyflash Major change is that it has a default flashcard set with over 6000 kanji. Be carefull with rotating, this is still experimental and uses xrandr with the subsequent disadvantages of the current implementation (high pitch sound from screen and possible lock of the window manager). The code is hosted at sourceforge in case you would like to contribute to this application. Regards, Pander ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[SHR] keeping quality high
Hi all, Like Android's: http://freerunner.android.koolu.com/test-plans-and-results would it be usefull that SHR transforms this: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Stable_Hybrid_Release#Feature_overview into an online service with its own mechanism to guarantee quality Regards, Pander ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: cellhunter --- the state of development and future
Yorick Moko wrote: On Sun, Apr 19, 2009 at 12:13 PM, Onen onen...@free.fr wrote: Hi, ivvmm wrote: I wonder how quick is it developed and how much people are involved in? This brings three questions: 1. if you have big HPV-Dops, your position is not very precise. If you add to this that you have a high speed, then when you take your measure, the GPS position is very inaccurate. And the time you get notified that the GSM connection has changed, this adds to inaccuracy. My question is: do people think this argument makes sense? I do. joerg also said that TA (time advance?) was a good measure IIRC on basis of GPS data you could calculate a running average speed and based on that determine whether to use the measured data or not. y ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Improved PyFlash 0.3
Onen wrote: Hi, Pander wrote: Onen wrote: * is it compatible with flashcards collections from KDE tools? [1] Not yet but if you can provide a bunch of Japanese flashcard collections I will look into making it compatible with those. I think it would be great to have only one format for the cards, for desktop and phone applications. * do you reuse the engine of another flashcards application, and put a new GUI on top of it, or is it all new code? No it is all new code written mainly by Noufal Ibrahim with improvements from ezuall and me. Would it make sense to reuse the engine of other project? For what I have understood, this kind of software (and Parley) implement algorithms to schedule the cards proposed to you. These aim at optimising your learning, by asking you more often what you don't know, and less what you have already acquired. If you don't go for reuse, do you plan to implement such features? It is on the TODO list. Anyone that would like to dive into this is welcomed. Perhaps some libs or code of other flashcard applications can be ported to openmoko and reused by this application. Thanks, Onen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[SHR] GPRS, again
Hi all, Still I cannot get GPRS working on unstable, although I have gotten an subscription with GRPS about 4 months ago, hoping I could use it with SHR. I tried the settings menu but that did not work. Even manually editting shr_grps.py to the correct APN, login and password did not help. Manually, I have also tried: mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ogpsd /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device org.freesmartphone.GSM.PDP.ActivateContext internet (my provider has internet as APN and empty string as login and passwd) The result is: /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device: ActivateContext failed: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.UnknownMethod What is THE way to get GRPS working on SHR? Thanks, Pander ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] GPRS, again
kimaidou wrote: Have you tried to update the module with ppp-generic : echo ppp-generic /etc/modutils/ppp-generic update-modules shutdown -r now thanks! finally it works :D Can this be included in the default SHR build? This works great for me. For debuggin and connecting via terminal, I use : mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ogsmd /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device org.freesmartphone.GSM.PDP.ActivateContext mygprs x x Replace mygprs with your provider adress. You must leave the double x at the end : they are here for no user and password needed Kimaidou 2009/4/14 Pander pan...@users.sourceforge.net mailto:pan...@users.sourceforge.net Hi all, Still I cannot get GPRS working on unstable, although I have gotten an subscription with GRPS about 4 months ago, hoping I could use it with SHR. I tried the settings menu but that did not work. Even manually editting shr_grps.py to the correct APN, login and password did not help. Manually, I have also tried: mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ogpsd /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device org.freesmartphone.GSM.PDP.ActivateContext internet (my provider has internet as APN and empty string as login and passwd) The result is: /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device: ActivateContext failed: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.UnknownMethod What is THE way to get GRPS working on SHR? Thanks, Pander ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] GPRS, again
kimaidou wrote: 2009/4/14 Pander pan...@users.sourceforge.net mailto:pan...@users.sourceforge.net kimaidou wrote: Have you tried to update the module with ppp-generic : echo ppp-generic /etc/modutils/ppp-generic update-modules shutdown -r now thanks! finally it works :D It must work from the SHR setting too. now it does, before not. I have a recent unstable release with all the updates. Just the missing: echo ppp-generic /etc/modutils/ppp-generic Can this be included in the default SHR build? +1 for this ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
PyFlash at SourceForge
Hi all, PyFlash has now a SF project here: https://sourceforge.net/projects/pyflash/ while its website remains here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Pyflash because it is an application which is *very* suitable for FreeRunner. If you need developer access to the project, please let me know and I will add you. Regards, Pander ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Improved PyFlash 0.3
Noufal Ibrahim wrote: Pander wrote: [..] Here you can find the source: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Pyflash download the opk and extract the source code as mentioned I will do that. Is there a bug tracker and an SCM repository for the no, not yet. do you have any preference for sourceforge, openmokoproject, savanna? project? The opkg bundle is 150MB. It's tedious to have to download the package manager just to extract some source files. you only need http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=%2Fusr%2Fbin%2Farsearchon=contentsarch=anysection=all to extract the source code ar x pyflashopk tar zxf data.tar.gz [..] If you have an flashcard collection that can be packaged with it, please let me know. I don't have any new card collections. I designed it just to train myself on verbal conjugations. If there are any outstanding bugs/enhancements, please let me know (which is why I asked about the SCM and bug tracker). If it does't have one, perhaps we should put it up on Google code or some place see above, I prefer sourceforge Thanks ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Autorun for SD card mechanism?
Lothar Behrens wrote: Yes, I agree with that when data should be used from sdcard, if there are these files. That would be the quick hack in my mind. But I brought up my points in case if there are applications for specific distros and versions that may be incompatible to each other? I don't know if the issue will make the whole thing too complex, but I thought to discuss about it. I have had a case where I gone back to an older version, but it didn't worked any more and I didn't know, wich versions do fit together. risk of the user ;) I would only install packages with stuff like fonts, keyboards etc. and only if they are not available in the default repositories. let's keep it simple. Am 09.04.2009 um 01:02 schrieb Pander: A directory called /media/card/post/linked with e.g. files like /media/card/post/linked/root/.cellhunter /media/card/post/linked/root/Maps/ the original /root/.cellhunter file and /root/Maps directory will be deleted and a soft link will be created to the ones in linked directory. Lothar Behrens wrote: Ok, as the idea was good, more thoughts: 1.) Using the sd card to store jet installed application information is not good. Then it would only run the first distro switch. 2.) Keep in mind, that packages from the usual opkg may be installed in later releases. And it may or may not reinstalled. 3.) Using a database repository in the net to update a local database of applications that may installable without problems per distro. 4.) If a user add's an application with opkg, a choice could be made to activate autoinstall for later switches. 5.) If the application isn't in the database on the net, or the local copy, add it but mark it as untested. 6.) The database could be used for a hitlist of installed applications that would really used, because a reinstall could be counted. 7.) Untested applications that should be installed, could be complained about and a choice could be made. 8.) Feedback if successfully installed application makes problems. The user should be asked some time later and he/she may make choices as of like this: 'App1 is usable', 'App2 has problems on this distro' and so forth. That way, we get feedback of the most used applications, we see the quality in the installability and we may spot conflicts. Next, if a distro decides to add an application as default, it could be marked as installed by that distro. This leads propably to an update process per distro and thus a local copy (if there will be really some for offline installations) could either removed any time - by asking or the app on the card could also get updated. Keep in mind that there are issues with the applications data. If this data is not at least backed up to sd card, a distro switch may kill your data :-) Also keep in mind, that users don't want to give that feedback. We don't do it like some companies do collect their statistical :-) It is not easy and I don't like to only create a quick hack, that would not work at all. Lothar Am 08.04.2009 um 16:28 schrieb Pander: in the first boot, also make the most default choices of all when /media/card/post directory is found. e.g. English, Illume SHR theme, ..., next, next, next, finish ;) Johny Tenfinger wrote: Hmm... Maybe there is a place for some app... shr-firstboot :) It could also replace first boot creator from e17, which isn't very useful on Neos... 2009/4/8, Pander pan...@users.sourceforge.net: good idea. I already have all those files on SD but after each upgrade have to install them manually, which is annoying. I would suggest something like: 1) notify user to do an opkg update and opkg upgrade first 2) change to post installation directory cd /media/card/post 3) change to package directory and install all that is in there cd packages opkg install *.ipk *.opk cd .. 4) override files cd override [[copy all files to root of system, e.g. override/etc/blabla to /etc/blabla]] cd .. 5) path files cd patches [[apply all patchers to root of system]] cd .. off course documenting your changes via patches/diffs is preferred over overriding, allowing improvements in other parts of the files via opkg upgrade before you start. Johny Tenfinger wrote: Shortly: Let's write it ;) 2009/4/8, Lothar Behrens lothar.behr...@lollisoft.de: There is an idea rattling in my head about the following issue: Given I have a micro SD card and that would have all here, what is about a bootstrap mechanism to post install packages that are laying on that card to be installed, when a new image is started at first time? Like the autorun of a CD, this would help to ease the distro switch but keep my usual applications that otherwise have to be installed manually. This would include SSH settings, WLAN settings, look and feel, and what ever may possible. What about it? -- | Rapid Prototyping | XSLT Codegeneration
[SHR] How to make launcher icons in style
Hi all, What are the steps to take in order to create new launcher icons which are exactly in SHR style. So far I have noticed: - green backgroun: normal application - purple background: navigation application - green/brown background: telephone application - blue background: Internet application - grey background: system application - they reside in: /usr/share/icons/shr/86x86/apps - are 86x86 PNG with RGBA Questions I have are: - where can I find empty coloured backgrounds (or the original SVG if these exist) - how do I create that shiny look/overlay, see the arc in the middle of the icon Who can help me out with this? Pander ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] How to make launcher icons in style
Pander wrote: Hi all, What are the steps to take in order to create new launcher icons which are exactly in SHR style. So far I have noticed: - green backgroun: normal application - purple background: navigation application - green/brown background: telephone application - blue background: Internet application - grey background: system application - red background: multimedia application - they reside in: /usr/share/icons/shr/86x86/apps - are 86x86 PNG with RGBA Questions I have are: - where can I find empty coloured backgrounds (or the original SVG if these exist) - how do I create that shiny look/overlay, see the arc in the middle of the icon Who can help me out with this? Pander ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Improved PyFlash 0.3
Hi all, An improved PyFlash application for learning words, sentences and other factual data via flashcards on your OpenMoko is out. However still in development, it can be installed and tested, see: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Pyflash and http://www.opkg.org/package_198.html It also works on your laptop or desktop. Feel free to send feedback, or beter yet, contribute collections of flashcards that can be packaged with it. Regards, Pander ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Improved PyFlash 0.3
Onen wrote: Hi, thanks for your work on this! * is it compatible with flashcards collections from KDE tools? [1] Not yet but if you can provide a bunch of Japanese flashcard collections I will look into making it compatible with those. * do you reuse the engine of another flashcards application, and put a new GUI on top of it, or is it all new code? No it is all new code written mainly by Noufal Ibrahim with improvements from ezuall and me. Thanks, Onen [1] http://edu.kde.org/parley/ Pander wrote: Hi all, An improved PyFlash application for learning words, sentences and other factual data via flashcards on your OpenMoko is out. However still in development, it can be installed and tested, see: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Pyflash and http://www.opkg.org/package_198.html It also works on your laptop or desktop. Feel free to send feedback, or beter yet, contribute collections of flashcards that can be packaged with it. Regards, Pander ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Improved PyFlash 0.3
George Brooke wrote: On Thursday 09 April 2009 16:16:22 Pander wrote: Hi all, An improved PyFlash application for learning words, sentences and other factual data via flashcards on your OpenMoko is out. However still in development, it can be installed and tested, see: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Pyflash and http://www.opkg.org/package_198.html It also works on your laptop or desktop. Feel free to send feedback, or beter yet, contribute collections of flashcards that can be packaged with it. Regards, Pander Could you make the ipk not require the extra fonts packages but just inform people that they will need them to view certain languages? all the package requirements have moved to package suggestions, fixed in 0.4 Also could you make the pronunciation field line wrap please. it is onthe TODO list for after Easter thanks solar.george ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Improved PyFlash 0.3
Noufal Ibrahim wrote: Pander wrote: Hi all, An improved PyFlash application for learning words, sentences and other factual data via flashcards on your OpenMoko is out. However still in development, it can be installed and tested, see: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Pyflash and http://www.opkg.org/package_198.html It also works on your laptop or desktop. Feel free to send feedback, or beter yet, contribute collections of flashcards that can be packaged with it. It warms my heart to know that my little project is helping you guys out. :) thanks for doing the bulk of the work I'd like to help in contributing fixes/enhancements to the product. I've never really developed anything for the openmoko platform. I couldn't find the sources for the app which was advertised on the links above. Are there any developer guidelines? The source code should work on all PyGTK platforms. Personally I develop with Eclipse + PyDev + PyLint (the current PyLint residual warnings are here to stay). The colon and semicolon format of the flashcard files should be as flexible as possible and the application should be able to deal with most combinations or omissions in a flexible way. the example with kanji is very extensive, most of the flashcards will be represented in a more simple way. Here you can find the source: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Pyflash download the opk and extract the source code as mentioned I have a 0.4 version with some improvements but I always have the problem with opkg.org that I can only upload when I create a new package, not when I edit one. Very annoying. I will mail it to the maintainer and he will upload it for me. That is the only way. I will do that after Easter. If someone has improvements, please email them. If you have an flashcard collection that can be packaged with it, please let me know. Regards, Pander Thanks. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Autorun for SD card mechanism?
good idea. I already have all those files on SD but after each upgrade have to install them manually, which is annoying. I would suggest something like: 1) notify user to do an opkg update and opkg upgrade first 2) change to post installation directory cd /media/card/post 3) change to package directory and install all that is in there cd packages opkg install *.ipk *.opk cd .. 4) override files cd override [[copy all files to root of system, e.g. override/etc/blabla to /etc/blabla]] cd .. 5) path files cd patches [[apply all patchers to root of system]] cd .. off course documenting your changes via patches/diffs is preferred over overriding, allowing improvements in other parts of the files via opkg upgrade before you start. Johny Tenfinger wrote: Shortly: Let's write it ;) 2009/4/8, Lothar Behrens lothar.behr...@lollisoft.de: There is an idea rattling in my head about the following issue: Given I have a micro SD card and that would have all here, what is about a bootstrap mechanism to post install packages that are laying on that card to be installed, when a new image is started at first time? Like the autorun of a CD, this would help to ease the distro switch but keep my usual applications that otherwise have to be installed manually. This would include SSH settings, WLAN settings, look and feel, and what ever may possible. What about it? -- | Rapid Prototyping | XSLT Codegeneration | http://www.lollisoft.de Lothar Behrens Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 73252 Lenningen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Autorun for SD card mechanism?
in the first boot, also make the most default choices of all when /media/card/post directory is found. e.g. English, Illume SHR theme, ..., next, next, next, finish ;) Johny Tenfinger wrote: Hmm... Maybe there is a place for some app... shr-firstboot :) It could also replace first boot creator from e17, which isn't very useful on Neos... 2009/4/8, Pander pan...@users.sourceforge.net: good idea. I already have all those files on SD but after each upgrade have to install them manually, which is annoying. I would suggest something like: 1) notify user to do an opkg update and opkg upgrade first 2) change to post installation directory cd /media/card/post 3) change to package directory and install all that is in there cd packages opkg install *.ipk *.opk cd .. 4) override files cd override [[copy all files to root of system, e.g. override/etc/blabla to /etc/blabla]] cd .. 5) path files cd patches [[apply all patchers to root of system]] cd .. off course documenting your changes via patches/diffs is preferred over overriding, allowing improvements in other parts of the files via opkg upgrade before you start. Johny Tenfinger wrote: Shortly: Let's write it ;) 2009/4/8, Lothar Behrens lothar.behr...@lollisoft.de: There is an idea rattling in my head about the following issue: Given I have a micro SD card and that would have all here, what is about a bootstrap mechanism to post install packages that are laying on that card to be installed, when a new image is started at first time? Like the autorun of a CD, this would help to ease the distro switch but keep my usual applications that otherwise have to be installed manually. This would include SSH settings, WLAN settings, look and feel, and what ever may possible. What about it? -- | Rapid Prototyping | XSLT Codegeneration | http://www.lollisoft.de Lothar Behrens Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 73252 Lenningen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] Packaging extra fonts
Olof Sjobergh wrote: On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 10:56 AM, Pander pan...@users.sourceforge.net wrote: Hi all, I need some extra fonts to display kanji. I have manged to copy some .ttf files manually and that works. Now, I would like to package these fonts in an .opkg file. do I need to call some executables to properly register the ttf files or is putting the files in the correct directory suffiecient? Hi, If you want Japanese fonts, the following two fonts are already available and packaged for SHR: ttf-sazanami-mincho ttf-sazanami-gothic You can just install them with opkg. Thanks I've added ttf-arabeyes: http://www.opkg.org/package_197.html which also supports Japanese glyphs. I think an automated repackaging by SHR can be done for most of the Ubuntu font packages. Best regards, Olof Sjöbergh ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Autorun for SD card mechanism?
A directory called /media/card/post/linked with e.g. files like /media/card/post/linked/root/.cellhunter /media/card/post/linked/root/Maps/ the original /root/.cellhunter file and /root/Maps directory will be deleted and a soft link will be created to the ones in linked directory. Lothar Behrens wrote: Ok, as the idea was good, more thoughts: 1.) Using the sd card to store jet installed application information is not good. Then it would only run the first distro switch. 2.) Keep in mind, that packages from the usual opkg may be installed in later releases. And it may or may not reinstalled. 3.) Using a database repository in the net to update a local database of applications that may installable without problems per distro. 4.) If a user add's an application with opkg, a choice could be made to activate autoinstall for later switches. 5.) If the application isn't in the database on the net, or the local copy, add it but mark it as untested. 6.) The database could be used for a hitlist of installed applications that would really used, because a reinstall could be counted. 7.) Untested applications that should be installed, could be complained about and a choice could be made. 8.) Feedback if successfully installed application makes problems. The user should be asked some time later and he/she may make choices as of like this: 'App1 is usable', 'App2 has problems on this distro' and so forth. That way, we get feedback of the most used applications, we see the quality in the installability and we may spot conflicts. Next, if a distro decides to add an application as default, it could be marked as installed by that distro. This leads propably to an update process per distro and thus a local copy (if there will be really some for offline installations) could either removed any time - by asking or the app on the card could also get updated. Keep in mind that there are issues with the applications data. If this data is not at least backed up to sd card, a distro switch may kill your data :-) Also keep in mind, that users don't want to give that feedback. We don't do it like some companies do collect their statistical :-) It is not easy and I don't like to only create a quick hack, that would not work at all. Lothar Am 08.04.2009 um 16:28 schrieb Pander: in the first boot, also make the most default choices of all when /media/card/post directory is found. e.g. English, Illume SHR theme, ..., next, next, next, finish ;) Johny Tenfinger wrote: Hmm... Maybe there is a place for some app... shr-firstboot :) It could also replace first boot creator from e17, which isn't very useful on Neos... 2009/4/8, Pander pan...@users.sourceforge.net: good idea. I already have all those files on SD but after each upgrade have to install them manually, which is annoying. I would suggest something like: 1) notify user to do an opkg update and opkg upgrade first 2) change to post installation directory cd /media/card/post 3) change to package directory and install all that is in there cd packages opkg install *.ipk *.opk cd .. 4) override files cd override [[copy all files to root of system, e.g. override/etc/blabla to /etc/blabla]] cd .. 5) path files cd patches [[apply all patchers to root of system]] cd .. off course documenting your changes via patches/diffs is preferred over overriding, allowing improvements in other parts of the files via opkg upgrade before you start. Johny Tenfinger wrote: Shortly: Let's write it ;) 2009/4/8, Lothar Behrens lothar.behr...@lollisoft.de: There is an idea rattling in my head about the following issue: Given I have a micro SD card and that would have all here, what is about a bootstrap mechanism to post install packages that are laying on that card to be installed, when a new image is started at first time? Like the autorun of a CD, this would help to ease the distro switch but keep my usual applications that otherwise have to be installed manually. This would include SSH settings, WLAN settings, look and feel, and what ever may possible. What about it? -- | Rapid Prototyping | XSLT Codegeneration | http://www.lollisoft.de Lothar Behrens Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 73252 Lenningen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http
[SHR] Packaging extra fonts
Hi all, I need some extra fonts to display kanji. I have manged to copy some .ttf files manually and that works. Now, I would like to package these fonts in an .opkg file. do I need to call some executables to properly register the ttf files or is putting the files in the correct directory suffiecient? Regards, Pander ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Complete overview of CAD files and software for custom cases
Hi all, As Lothar already noticed when I was editing the Wiki, multiple applications exist for viewing or manipulating the CAD model files that make up the case as a whole and the individual parts. It took some effort to scrape all the knowledge together but now an overview of the downloadable files, formats applications and parts is now out there for all to use and extend. Please see: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/CAD_models and I hope many contributions will be made. Regards, Pander ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GPS emergency call standards
Perhaps you can also merge the functionality with http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Anti-Theft_Mode and avoid the patent thing. Lothar Behrens wrote: Besides all the discussion. Is this here really yet patented? http://www.brainshell.de/patentmarkt_ikt.php http://www.brainshell.de/upload/Openmoko_de01b9e8b4.pdf If a patent would disable an emergeny functionality like automating the alert in case of 'changing behaviour' (accels), or it makes the device a bit more expensive, because it helps save live, I must say patents are the wrong way. I think, such an important issue should not be patented, because it is a feature all phones should become and not only these whose manufacturer are willing to pay the patent licenses. Also, in my view, the amount of invention is not quite high to eligible for a patent. What do you think? Is there prior art? http://www.steiger-stiftung.de/GPS-Ortung-So-funktioniert-s.67.0.html An interactive location is established and is provided by many services, does an automation of them by a change in accelorometer behavior not be always the conclusion to be the best? Wouldn't that idea in someones head earlyer? Lothar Am 19.03.2009 um 01:18 schrieb Rask Ingemann Lambertsen: On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 02:58:10PM +0100, Tilman Baumann wrote: Harald Welte wrote: On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 12:06:20PM +0100, Tilman Baumann wrote: PS: According to Wikipedia, 112 works on all GSM networks no matter if the number is a emergency number in tie state. that depends on what the network operator does. Yep, but there seems to be some international agreement on the significance of 112. I don't have any quote yet, but as far as I understood it is even required to by the GSM standards. But that might be wrong. A D112 AT command is mentioned in the 3GPP TS 07.07 specification which you can get from here: http://www.3gpp.org/ftp/Specs/html-info/0707.htm Quoting section 8.3 Enter PIN +CPIN: NOTE: Commands which interact with ME that are accepted when ME is pending SIM PIN, SIM PUK, or PH‑SIM are: +CGMI, +CGMM, +CGMR, +CGSN, D112; (emergency call), +CPAS, +CFUN, +CPIN, +CDIS (read and test command only), and +CIND (read and test command only). I don't know where the D112 command is documented. I also haven't looked through the commands to see if there is a loophole such that you can dial 112 without making an emergency call. Btw, a few days ago danish media had a news story about unintended emergency calls. It appears that the answering machine offered by many telcos is partly to blame. What happens is that you press and hold 1 to speed dial your answering machine, press 1 to listen to a message and press 2 to delete a message. Doing so leaves the number 112 on the display... -- Rask Ingemann Lambertsen Danish law requires addresses in e-mail to be logged and stored for a year ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- | Rapid Prototyping | XSLT Codegeneration | http://www.lollisoft.de Lothar Behrens Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 73252 Lenningen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Three different databases for gsm celltower locations
I have some more examples with some test data I still have to publish. Project is here: http://athirne.sourceforge.net/ Database is well designed, I will make a post when I have the code out there. Onen wrote: Hi, Stefan Schmidt wrote: On Sat, 2009-04-04 at 15:03, Onen wrote: Another point is the other signals than GSM. Our initial vision was to build a database of communicating objects, WiFi, Bluetooth, etc... Can anybody give me some ideas how BT should be useful here? From what I know there are very little fixed BT accesspoints around. Likely to be killed by wifi anyway. I associate with bluetooth something that is mobile itself therefor not useful to get an idea rom your current location from. Well maybe Bluetooth was not the best example. I wanted to put the emphasis that the original idea of openBmap was to get a map of all communicating objects (RFID, future things, ...). Nevertheless here are some examples of static BT points we may encounter pretty soon: * some experiments have been carried on in Paris subway about BT beacons which help blind people find their ways in the labyrinth. They have a special device at the ear, which says where they are, and if they go in the wrong direction, etc... * ad panels in the subway, or on the street, may have bluetooth to distribute details to phones * in Paris, there are BT stations on the street, you can get connected to with your phone, and download maps and or details of the area you currently are. A reason why BT may still last over WiFi may be the power needed to have BT on in comparison of WiFi, don't you think? If anybody sees more examples... Onen ___ devel mailing list de...@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/devel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Sean's speech at ESC about making a 3G device
I had my FreeRunner replaced (under guarantee) by broken mini USB connector. These things are much more vulnerable than normal USB. Hence, I vote for normal USB. Matthias Apitz wrote: El día Friday, April 03, 2009 a las 09:48:51AM +0200, Sander escribió: What about a FR without 3G but with a 'normal' size USB2.0 port in which you can plug a 3G dongle? This has several advantages: o FR would be more free o FR would be less expensive o only one expensive heavy duty 3G contract for both your FR and your laptop o upgrading of 3G without the need for upgrading the FR FR would still have GPRS in this scenario. The USB port would be on the edge of the FR where we find the AUX button now. This would make the dongle point more or less upwards in both landscape and portrait mode. Related to this I'm looking for a converter between the small USB port on the FR and a 3G USB dongle (or a USB keyboard). I've searched but not found any. Any tips? Interesting. I have an USB dongle Huawei E220 which I'm using for my EeePC laptop to go to Internet via UMTS. This E220 is a small puck with a small USB connector, comes with a short (10cm) cable to connect it to a normal USB port of a laptop. I was already thinking in buying a short cable with small USB connectors on both ends (or even just something like a stick having small USB connectors on both ends without any cable) to connect this E220 as well to my FR and use the pppd in the FR... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huawei_E220 matthias ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Learning with flashcards - granule
Thanks! It already works with kanji and am collecting/converting flashcards to the format for this version. the result will be on opkg.org soon If more people are interested in a flashcard application for openmoko and want to contribute in any way (testing, card files, etc.) please let me know. I have made some changes/improvements. One question, the answer is horizontally aligned in the center and when it is larger than the screen is is left aligned. All well, but can I also have it wrap around when it is too long and how do I do that? ezuall wrote: Hi there, I found it, but I haven't been able to test it on my Freerunner, because I'm testing android on it at the moment. You can grab it here in the next 24 hours (remember that I did warn you about the changes not being pretty): http://pastebin.com/d3b742c7f The format for the card files are as follows: word/question : answer : pronunciation/other notes Let me know how it goes. ezuall On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 8:30 AM, Johan Badenhorst ezu...@gmail.com wrote: Pander, I'll have to have a dig for the code, it won't be pretty, as I stitched it together for a quick overview of Italian before a trip last year. I don't know if the Japanese character set is supported. I'll send it through as soon as I find it, may be 24 hours though ezuall On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 8:26 AM, Pander-2 (via Nabble) ml-user+35848-1247512...@n2.nabble.comml-user%2b35848-1247512...@n2.nabble.com wrote: Hi Ezuall, Do you still have the code or the changes you applied? Could you send them to me? By the way, which language was it? If it is Japanese, I'm also interested in the data files. Thanks, Pander ezuall wrote: Hi there, Last year I used PyFlash, but I'm not sure which distribution I was running at that time. I know it was easy to get it running, only a few chages were necesarry. I was using it for learning language at the time, so I added a line for pronunciation as well, which worked better in landscape mode for learning phrases. Cheers ezuall ___ Openmoko community mailing list commun...@...http://n2.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=nodenode=2567597i=0 http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- This email is a reply to your post @ http://n2.nabble.com/Learning-with-flashcards---granule-tp2564322p2567597.html You can reply by email or by visting the link above. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Illume keyboard alternatives (to be default in distro?)
Hi all, At the moment some alternatives exist for the default Illume keyboards, see: - illume-keyboards-default-alt http://www.opkg.org/package_180.html - illume-keyboards-numeric-alt http://www.opkg.org/package_106.html - illume-keyboards-browse http://www.opkg.org/package_144.html All being finger friendly Also a styles terminal keyboard has been added that will support most of north-western European languages: illume-keyboards-terminal-dutch-nl http://www.opkg.org/package_179.html I hope these can be included in SHR or even the default Illume build soon. tickets for exist in both SHR and Illume trac but I hope this posting can also accelerate things a bit. Currently a post install and pre remove script will automatically hide the default keyboard for which the installed one is an alternative. Try them, judge for yourself and provide feedback if they are better than de default one or where they can be improved. Regards, Pander ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Learning with flashcards - granule
Hi Ezuall, Do you still have the code or the changes you applied? Could you send them to me? By the way, which language was it? If it is Japanese, I'm also interested in the data files. Thanks, Pander ezuall wrote: Hi there, Last year I used PyFlash, but I'm not sure which distribution I was running at that time. I know it was easy to get it running, only a few chages were necesarry. I was using it for learning language at the time, so I added a line for pronunciation as well, which worked better in landscape mode for learning phrases. Cheers ezuall ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Learning with flashcards - granule
Ezuall, Thanks, don't worry about the prettiness. I'll fix it up and package it. Regards and thanks in advance, Pander ezuall wrote: Pander, I'll have to have a dig for the code, it won't be pretty, as I stitched it together for a quick overview of Italian before a trip last year. I don't know if the Japanese character set is supported. I'll send it through as soon as I find it, may be 24 hours though ezuall On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 8:26 AM, Pander-2 (via Nabble) ml-user+35848-1247512...@n2.nabble.comml-user%2b35848-1247512...@n2.nabble.com wrote: Hi Ezuall, Do you still have the code or the changes you applied? Could you send them to me? By the way, which language was it? If it is Japanese, I'm also interested in the data files. Thanks, Pander ezuall wrote: Hi there, Last year I used PyFlash, but I'm not sure which distribution I was running at that time. I know it was easy to get it running, only a few chages were necesarry. I was using it for learning language at the time, so I added a line for pronunciation as well, which worked better in landscape mode for learning phrases. Cheers ezuall ___ Openmoko community mailing list commun...@...http://n2.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=nodenode=2567597i=0 http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- This email is a reply to your post @ http://n2.nabble.com/Learning-with-flashcards---granule-tp2564322p2567597.html You can reply by email or by visting the link above. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GSM buzz-fix party in Braunschweig, Germany
Hi all, For me from centre of the Netherlands it is 413 km, 4 hours by car. I have been of the list for a while. When is the exact date for this fix party? Any one else from the Netherlands or Belgium thinking about going there by car? Perhaps car pulling is an option. Four OpenMoko geeks will have plenty to talk about in 4 hours of driving ;) Possibly we could bring even more devices to fix. What about the resellers, are they having their stock fixed? Regards, Pander ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[SHR] GPRS Telfort Netherlands
Does anyone have improvements on the data here: http://trac.freesmartphone.org/ticket/394 Especially the authentication type and QoS need verification. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] GPRS Telfort Netherlands
Sander wrote: Hi Pander, Pander wrote (ao): Does anyone have improvements on the data here: http://trac.freesmartphone.org/ticket/394 Especially the authentication type and QoS need verification. I have no clue to what you mean or what you need, but I use Telfort GPRS. I connect with: perhaps that part is not needed mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ogsmd /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device org.freesmartphone.GSM.PDP.ActivateContext internet x x On SHR the reply is: /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device: ActivateContext failed: org.freesmartphone.GSM.MUX.NoChannel when I change shr_gprs.py to set the login and password to empty string, also via the settings-connection-gprs settings menu, it is nog possible to connect. and it Just Works(tm) (on FSO). Is this of any help, or can I provide you with any info? With kind regards, Sander ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Learning with flashcards - granule
Hi all, What flashcard applications exist for FSO/SHR? If non exist, which candidates are out there that could be ported? I have found references to granule ports but not a place for an FSO/SHR opk to download. Regards, Pander ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GPS emergency call standards
arne anka wrote: Yep, but there seems to be some international agreement on the significance of 112. at least in all states of the eu 112 has to work -- the last member to implement it only recently was bulgaria (see http://www.heise.de/newsticker/Eine-Notrufnummer-fuer-alle-27-EU-Laender--/meldung/132427). though, in germany in future emergency calls are possible only _with_ a sim card inserted (http://www.heise.de/newsticker/Kein-Notruf-ohne-SIM-Karte--/meldung/132539). inhowfar that is a way to remedy the alleged misuses of emergency numbers seems rather questionable -- will probably kill more people than it saves. Well it can go either way. Many costs are made when reacting to false calls and less resources are available for serious calls. Also, who is using a phone without a SIM card anyway? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
How to record calls
Hi all, Someone has created a dictaphone application, but is it also possible to record directly from (within) the (SHR=FSO?) dailer? Use cases would be: 1) record received sound only 2) record transmitting sound only (dictaphone) 3) record conversation, both receiving and transmitting sound Would it be viable to add this functionality to dailer, then a dictaphone will be provided by dailer and an external dictaphone application would not be needed or the functionality could be shared. Secondly, what format would be desirable to record into? OGG? Thanks, Pander ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How to record calls
matthias felsche wrote: Hello, I'd prefer speex-encoding. If you'd like to record voice, this codec is the most appropriate choice, I think. As I read throughout my search for an alternative to wav-recording, ogg encoding is quite slow. But I haven't tried out the performance of speex-encoding. Any experiences? Nope but you can give it a try via: http://www.freenet.org.nz/python/pySpeex/ Matthias Pander schrieb: Hi all, Someone has created a dictaphone application, but is it also possible to record directly from (within) the (SHR=FSO?) dailer? Use cases would be: 1) record received sound only 2) record transmitting sound only (dictaphone) 3) record conversation, both receiving and transmitting sound Would it be viable to add this functionality to dailer, then a dictaphone will be provided by dailer and an external dictaphone application would not be needed or the functionality could be shared. Secondly, what format would be desirable to record into? OGG? Thanks, Pander ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[SHR] Howto configure GPRS
Hi all, Many information is available on GPRS but the things I've tested scripts from the Wiki were probably outdated, or I used them wrongly because I was/am in the woods on debugging or tracing GPRS software. So, ... How can one configure GPRS on SHR (latest testing). I'm willing to make good and tested documentation for the Wiki if someone can tell me how to get started and what to do exactly plus describing how to test each step. Also, what will happen if you have network via usb, wifi and GPRS at the same time? Will SHR be able to cope with all that or do you as a user should avoid such a situation for now? In which order will the network connection be selected? Thanks, Pander ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FreeRunner, most used distributions
Perhaps all the distribution should have linux counter as a default package, see earlier posts on this. This way you will have acurate numbers of who is using what and when. I've switched over to SHR testing, hope you all do the same ;) Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio wrote: Hi, From that table I came up with two conclusions: - There is a large number of FreeRunners running Om 2008.X - Apparently it'snot too dificult to have a couple distributions installed and choose one of them each time you reboot the phone. That's great news for me! Thanks a lot Juan Lucas On Friday 13 March 2009 11:06:37 Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio wrote: Hello, I was wondering: anyone has an idea or stats about which distributions are used by the FreeRunners out there? Something like: === Om 2007.x: 50% Om 2008.x: 20% SHR: 10% [...] Other hacks: 5% === Regards, Juan Lucas I created a survey once: http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=p2ZQdcRSVg9XfYLwBVsZicg and a Map with FR-Locations, so a potential buyer could have a look at it before buying one: http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8hl=enmsa=0msid=115352610340426907999.000461ec26b35ac3fad63z=7 http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8hl=enmsa=0msid=115352610340426907999.000461ec26b35ac3fad63z=7 Both, the survey and the map are freely available to anyone and of course also to the bad guys that may be using the given data to send you offers for other mobile phones. :-) Which may be the reason why participation did not reach a level in any way comparable to responses on some postings on the mailing list. So it might not representative at all. For example it seems that there is only one FR sold to the US while not even one is available around Taipeh. ;-) To take part in the survey use this link: http://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?key=p2ZQdcRSVg9XfYLwBVsZicg I believe after taking part you get a nice summary, showing pretty graphs with percentages. At least I can see it but I couldn't manage to share it to anyone not logged in with a Google account. However I could print it to a file and publish it here if someone is interessted. Regards thomas ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
New splash screen with lots of logos
Hi all, A new custom splash screen with lots of logos can be found here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Configuring_the_boot_splash_screens#Alternative_instructions Regards, Pander ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner GSM Buzz fix, warranty and hopes...
Helge Hafting wrote: Mike (mwester) wrote: [...] Good email, and good questions. But apparently, the only answer is total silence from Openmoko and the resellers. The term here would be stone-walling. So, Openmoko -- any answers? Or nothing but continued silence? Can you at least tell us why you have nothing to say? -Mike (mwester) (But, hey, at least this original email didn't get the normal flaming responses from the fanboys, which usually run along the lines of: You should be happy that Openmoko gives you anything, it's such hard work, and you have no right to expect that it actually works as advertised!, with the occasional personal insult that people who cannot do surface-mount soldering should not have purchased the phone in the first place. Sigh.) A question is what exactly what advertised. I read this page before buying: http://openmoko.com/product.html It says there is an audio output, so one shuld expect it to work. There is nothing about hi-fi sound quality though, so perhaps they get away with the weak bass. Talking works, .oggs work although the quality isn't excellent. As for the buzz, it depends on how bad it is. If the other end can't hear you properly then it is a defect. If they get some background noise that don't prevent the use as a phone, then it merely is a phone of low but useable quality. In my opinion and that of the people I have on the other end of the line: lower quality then one might expect for a modern day telephone. E.g. for business conversation or important calls that need normal quality, I have to use another telephone. when people ask me what the buzz is, I feel reluctant to tell it is an Openmoko device because of the bad publicity. I'm trusting OpenMoko will come forth with a proper solution. Helge Hafting ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Troubles with opkg.org repo
Hi all, I have for now disabled the opkg.org repo on my FreeRunner. It kept disturbing opkg update and opkg upgrade. It also offers packages like cellhunter which are not hosted on opkg.org, are identical in files, but result in segmentation fault of opkg. So back to normal and explicit opkg inst http:// until (hopefull soon) opkg.org repo is not causing so much crashes of opkg. Regards, Pander ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Cellhunter]
If I submit data, when is it available on the online database and OSM/Google maps? Tony Berth wrote: On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 6:49 PM, Petr Vanek van...@penguin.cz mailto:van...@penguin.cz wrote: On Thu, 5 Mar 2009 17:58:11 +0100 Tony Berth tonybe...@googlemail.com mailto:tonybe...@googlemail.com (TB) wrote: it seems that there is no log generated! I'm using the latest package on the latest SHR unstable image! Thanks Tony You have to press three buttons for offline function: auto check auto submit offline -- Petr Vaněk yes indeed. Thank you. Sorry I didn't see that before sending that e-mail :( ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[SHR] which webbrowser in testing
Hi all, What is the webbrowser to use in testing? Dillo is a bit old and the new dillo will not install due to missing packages. How to solve this or what alternatives exist? Regards, Pander ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[Cellhunter] no neighbouring cells
I verify that with the new SHR testing and the same cellhunter version, that cellhunter it is not reporting on neighbouring cells. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Cellhunter] no neighbouring cells
Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote: Am Freitag, den 06.03.2009, 17:45 +0100 schrieb Pander: I verify that with the new SHR testing and the same cellhunter version, that cellhunter it is not reporting on neighbouring cells. Please take a look at fso/milestone5.5 branch, Jan added a patch that makes it work again with the latest framework. Hopefully that will be soon available via opkg upgrade. ;) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Free email to SMS
HAs anyone tried this one yet? http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/email-to-sms/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [All] To build a better music player
Yaroslav Halchenko wrote:
As I mentioned before, I am planning to add some sort of session
management. It might be too IO intensive to cache all the tag data (as
opposed to simply remembering file name), but it is a possibility.
actually I think that storing them along with filenames in those
'sessions' would speed this up since separate files would not need to be
processed for id3 extraction upon loading of the session file. id3 tags
within a loaded session might be updated upon user request or whenever a
corresponding file is played/queued/whatever ;)
Possible implementation for sorting on ID3:
contents of .pythmrc:
ID3Sort={%artist - }{%year - }{%album - }{%discnumber}{%tracknumber
}{%title}{ (%length)}{ %genre}{ %rating}
or also possible
ID3Sort={%a - }{%y - }{%b - }{%d}{%n}{%t}{ (%l)}{ %g}{ %r}
The ID3 tag with extra surrounding characters in between the {} will not
be displayed when the value is not set (Null of empty string). This
entire ID3Sort definition will be read on startup of pythm and will be
used for sorting tracks.
The tags used in the definition also dictate the order and contents of
the columns in the overview. In this case begin:
Artist, Year, Album, DiscNmbr, TrackNmbr, Title, Length, Genre, Rating
Possibly a second definition in .pythmrc can be used for custom column
order. e.g.:
ID3OverviewColumns=%a,%y,%b,%d%n,%t,%l,%g,%r
or also possible
ID3OverviewColumns=%artist,%year,%album,%discnumber%tracknumber,%title,%length,%genre,%rating
In this example disc number and track number are combined in the same
column and will simply be concatenated. The header will be emtpy of on
detection of this special case be simply 'Number' of '#'
Also to customist this, a third definition can be specified. e.g.:
ID3OverviewHeaders=Artiest,Jaar,Album,#,Titel,mm:ss,Genre,Rating
And at the same time this third definition allows for localisation.
So the use of the following optional definitions in .pythmrc:
ID3Sort
ID3OverviewColumns
ID3OverviewHeaders
which are customised by the user will allow for ID3 sorting and
presentation catering everyone's wildest ID3 needs.
More people interested in implementing this?
Regards,
Pander
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Re: [All] To build a better music player
Stefan Monnier wrote: Actually, if you only use ID3 info, it's very difficult to do a good job of sorting files: it's basically impossible to reliably figure out which songs are part of the same album and which aren't. You can use I've solved all those problems the first times I opened amarok, and now it's a pleasure searching for some song, artist, disk, track... heuristics which will work OK in many cases, but sooner or later you'll bump into some songs whose album tag says (say) Anthology and which are really divided into 4 different albums, some of which are well When you find one, you can allways change track's id3 :) Except that those ID3 tags have a clear meaning, and fixing them to get the sorting to work may imply breaking them in the sense that the info they carry is not quite correct any more. Tho, I guess it depends on the details: in which way did you change the ID3 info to solve such problems? behaved (same artist and year for all their songs), and the others are compilations where every song has a different year/genre/artist. Sorting by name has also problems. No doubt. If you have songs from several disks or a double album in the same folder, you can finish with this playlist: - track 1, disk 1 - track 1, disk 2 ... - track 1, disk n - track 2, disk 1 - track 2, disk 2 ... I name them DISK-TRACK TITLE and it works great ;-) sorting by file name really turns out to be a very good solution. Not for me ;) Because you find changing ID3 tags to be simpler than changing file names. I still think that offering several sortings is the way to go Well, ... it's more work. An algorithm that uses both ID3 tags and filenames (mostly just directory names, actually) should be able to accomodate all situations. Since many people use ID3 differently and place importance on the tags in different ways, this needs to be configurable. Please see my post with the comment that the filename (path without intelligent breaking down into artist, album etc.) should be used a fall back when no ID3 tags are available. To encourage the use of proper ID3 tags, I would not want to encourage the interpretation of the path naming schemes but propose that customisable way (see other post) of placing highest importance on the ID3 info. Stefan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Feature overview out of the box SHR unstable distribution
Nacho Seijo wrote: I agree, with Phone Log you have an overview log. That's great! But this is the only way you have to realize you have missed calls. Could it be possible to notify missed calls by a notification screen? Or even better, could it be possible to notify them by an icon on top shelf? Some new top shelf gadget as clock, wifi or gsm. Raster, could this gadget be possible in illume? :) And maybe another icon to notify unread sms, instead of see the unread sms' content in the screen. Since anybody near the Freerunner can read it. In the Wiki was talk about differnt kind of LED flash scheme's. A simple flash-flash scheme of the power buttpn LED could be an indicator for a missed call or recieved message. Regards ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] Flickering and no PIN dialog
Andy Green wrote: Somebody in the thread at some point said: | Hi all, | | Are more people experiencing on latest SHR unstable (built feb 28): | - screen flickering | - instable wifi connection | - no PIN dialog popping up when booting from Qi, it does come up when | booting from uboot (NOR?) | | I like SHR a lot but really really really hope a (more) stable release | of some sort will come forward. Sorry, I had to say this, just a bit of | frustration on my behalf that my device is still not working properly | and in the past it was better. If you use the latest Qi from http://people.openmoko.org/andy , it should work OK with the older kernel you have there and the GSM stuff will work again. So that should be one down, two to go :-) I used this one qi-s3c2442-master-hist_3b8513d8b3d9615e.udfu already :S What actually happens different about the WLAN? -Andy ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Word processing application
Leonti Bielski wrote: Hi! I'm looking for some kind of word processing application. I want to use my Freerunner in a library so I would not have to bring laptop with me - only the keyboard. I've heard of AbiWord, but can't manage to find an ipk package for it. Also, is there emacs package for Freerunner available? Can someone suggest something else for text editing? Write XeLaTeX in whichever of the following is to your likings and is available on FreeRunner: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JED_(text_editor) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe%27s_Own_Editor http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vim http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nano_(text_editor) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gedit On you laptop compile the .tex file into a PDF. Regards, Pander Leonti ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Feature overview out of the box SHR unstable distribution
Helge Hafting wrote: Pander wrote: Hi all, I have started a feature overview for out of the box SHR unstable distribution. This will show the current status of the functionality you get after installing SHR and using only the high level GUI to use and manage it. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Stable_Hybrid_Release#Feature_overview This overview is both reflecting the currect status, as is it focussing on basic functionality which should be available on Neo FreeRunner. The page indicates that flight mode isn't available. But one can use SHR settings and turn the GSM modem off. That is flight mode by another name - other equipment shouldn't see radio interference. The phone even works after turning GSM on again, although this takes some time. It is more that it is available via easy to controls, i.e. my mother could use it. Hence that the table indicates that it is not yet available. But many things are not yet available, let the table evolve as time over time :) Helge Hafting ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Feature overview out of the box SHR unstable distribution
Hi all, I have started a feature overview for out of the box SHR unstable distribution. This will show the current status of the functionality you get after installing SHR and using only the high level GUI to use and manage it. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Stable_Hybrid_Release#Feature_overview This overview is both reflecting the currect status, as is it focussing on basic functionality which should be available on Neo FreeRunner. Regards, Pander ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Feature overview out of the box SHR unstable distribution
Petr Vanek wrote: On Sun, 1 Mar 2009 15:09:10 +0100 (CET) Richy klemms...@gmail.com (R) wrote: Concering GPS: It is true, that it isn't turned on at boot, but it is turned on automatically if needed. The article sounds like it's a must to turn it on manually if you want to use it. i think this causes confusion all the time, but in reality works great: you don't turn anything on or off, daemon runs all the time automatically from init scripts and if client (TangoGPS) connects to it, gps is auto turned on, after TangoGPS disconnects, gps is turned off. as is documented here http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Stable_Hybrid_Release#Feature_overview -- Petr Vaněk ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Feature overview out of the box SHR unstable distribution
Johny Tenfinger wrote: Slow suspend isn't distro issue - it is your bootloader. Will this be fixed in the boot loader? (ticket) Should one already use Qi with current SHR unstable distro? If you will set loglevel=1 in kernel cmdline, suspend/resume would be much faster. I assume this won't be necessary once the bootloader is fixed regarding this? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Finger friendly browse keyboard
John Sullivan wrote: Pander pan...@users.sourceforge.net writes: Hi all, Someone mentioned a finger friendly browse keoyboard, and I just could not resist making one myself. the result is here: http://www.opkg.org/package_144.html Nice, is there any way to remove the box that usually shows the words that are being typed at the top? Since no words are being typed, that'd be a nice way to save space, but I guess if it were easy to remove it you would have done so already. The box and dictionary selection are not interesting with this keyboard as you describe. However, you need them because on the right you have the keyboard switcher which you always need. As far as I know at this moment, there is no way of hiding the first two and keeping the latter. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: illume keyboard - only navigate buttons
see also http://www.opkg.org/package_144.html Leonti Bielski wrote: Thanks! It's even better than I expected to find! Valuable info. Leonti On 2/26/09, Helge Hafting helge.haft...@hist.no wrote: Leonti Bielski wrote: Some time ago on scap.linuxtogo.org I've seen illume keyboard only with navigate buttons - right, left, up, down and some others. I would like to use it for navigation in browsers - right know I use terminal keyboard to navigate through web-page in links-x11. Does anyone know where I can find it? A custom keyboard isn't that difficult to make. An illume keyboard is just a textual list of keys: Coordinates for where the key is, how big it is, what function (letter or cursor key) it performs. So you can copy the terminal keyboard file, /usr/lib/enlightenment/modules/illume/keyboards/Terminal.kbd Then you simply delete the keys you don't need from the copy. Finally, make the remaining keys bigger by adjusting their coordinates. To use your new keyboard, save the new file as: /usr/lib/enlightenment/modules/illume/keyboards/Navigation.kbd Bring up the illume keyboard, press the little qwerty icon in the upper right corner, and select your special keyboard from the list. It will be there if you saved the file to the correct folder. Helge Hafting ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Introducing CellHunter (Update 0.4.1)
Could you publish this also on opkg.org so that many user can install it directly? Sebastian Hammerl wrote: Henri Valta schrieb: On Wednesday 25 February 2009 00:38:36 Sebastian Hammerl wrote: Soon after releasing i found a bug causes cellhunter to freeze. Sorry for that, the fixed version 0.4.1 is out now! check out http://cellhunter.omoco.de Sebastian Any possibility for updated debian package as well? -Henri Hi, because I don't know about debian I asked petabyte if he could create the package again. Until now I have no answer from him. I will upload it as soon i get it. Sebastian ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Introducing CellHunter (Update 0.4.1)
no, the ipk, which I hope gets renamed to opk Sebastian Hammerl wrote: Pander schrieb: Could you publish this also on opkg.org so that many user can install it directly? the debian package? i thought its for opkg's only. the opkg files is published there but i don't think the debian package has to be there. Sebastian Sebastian Hammerl wrote: Henri Valta schrieb: On Wednesday 25 February 2009 00:38:36 Sebastian Hammerl wrote: Soon after releasing i found a bug causes cellhunter to freeze. Sorry for that, the fixed version 0.4.1 is out now! check out http://cellhunter.omoco.de Sebastian Any possibility for updated debian package as well? -Henri Hi, because I don't know about debian I asked petabyte if he could create the package again. Until now I have no answer from him. I will upload it as soon i get it. Sebastian ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Introducing CellHunter (Update 0.4.1)
Sebastian Hammerl wrote: you find it here: http://www.opkg.org/package_111.html what do you want more? sorry, missed it in my search, human error ;) thanks ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FR as wireless mouse
Gunnar Aastrand Grimnes wrote: I am sorry to ruin your dreams, but the accelerometer is nowhere accurate enough for this to work. It only really works well for rotations (since the gravity then changes). But you could use it by rotating as in iput device for http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BnLbv6QYcAfeature=channel ;) See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Accelerometer_Fundamentals - Gunnar The Digital Pioneer wrote: OK, so it's been on the wiki for a while now, to use the FR and accelerometers as a wireless mouse. I even bought a bluetooth USB adapter so I could use it as such, since I was under the impression it was already done in Remoko. It's not, all I got was a wireless touchpad. I already HAVE a touchpad on my laptop, thank you. :P So is anyone ever going to do this? -- Thanks, The Digital Pioneer ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: SHR first impression : it's slow ?
Helge Hafting wrote: Xavier Cremaschi wrote: Helge Hafting a écrit : Remove the file /etc/freesmartphone/persist/ogpsd.pickle then, restart frameword or just reboot. (Restarting frameworkd sometimes cause trouble with the phone side instead). ogpsd.pickle is where gps information is saved in order to speed up the next activation of the gps unit. It goes bad sometimes, particularly after starting a newly flashed SHR unstable. If this file goes bad enough, you wont get a fix - ever! Deleting the file forces the gps to cold start, which may take an extra minute or two. But it works reliably. When you stop using the gps unit, a new ogpsd.pickle file is created - this time with good data. Helge Hafting Already done, no fix at all after 40min. Then I don't know - deleting the pickle file was the fix for me. You may want to take a look at the mailing list archives, there are various procedures for checking that the gps has power and such. For example: telnet localhost gpsd r You should get at least one message per second after hitting enter after the r - whether you have a fix or not. If this works, then things are mostly ok you just don't have a fix. If you get nothing, then there are communication or power problems that prevents the gps unit from working. You may also want to try grep ogpsd /var/log/frameworkd.log check if there are any messages indicating trouble. this particular one is normal, although it looks like a problem: 2009.02.25 22:47:06 ogpsdWARNING (could not write to '/sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-gps.0/power_on': [Errno 2] No such file or directory:'/sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-gps.0/power_on') Is openmoko-agpsui still an up to date tool for SHR to manage the GPS operation? Helge Hafting ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTA03 Touchscreen Capacitive (was Re: OT: iPhone howto)
Matthias Apitz wrote: El día Thursday, February 26, 2009 a las 11:23:48AM +0100, Johny Tenfinger escribió: On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 11:20, Matthias Apitz g...@unixarea.de wrote: Default: unuseable for terminal/UNIX input Numbers: unuseable for terminal/UNIX, not even for SMS Terminal: useable for terminal/UNIX, but only with stylus that's the situation at the moment; But... it's normal, good situation. Isn't it? Sorry no having expressed this: yes, it is a good situation! and I don't want to have changed it; BTW. I'm using Terminal layout without stylus. It isn't difficult ;P I've tried it; it does not work with my fingers; how do you do that? do you have some movie of this? Use the tip of the nail of your index finger. matthias ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Finger friendly browse keyboard
Hi all, Someone mentioned a finger friendly browse keoyboard, and I just could not resist making one myself. the result is here: http://www.opkg.org/package_144.html Note that the type is NUMERIC, let me know if another type better suites this keyboard. It is also referenced here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Illume#List_of_illume_keyboards Regards, Pander ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Finger friendly browse keyboard
Yorick Moko wrote: looks good, maybe one little comment: I would have have put ctrl as the lower left button Then I'd have to put the TAB in the place where CTRL is now next to the ALT, which is a bit odd. Either way it is always a bit strange. when playing action games for example: arrows: move Its already like this, not? space: open/jump ctrl: shoot I have place for two extra 'fire' buttons as you can see. But I have to attach an Illume keyboard 'key'-command to them. If you can figure out what the joystick shoot/jump is. But usually it is the other way around, in the game you can configure your keys. So I could place a (left and right) shift/ctrl/alt key which can be used as shoot/jump. As I see it now, Illume has no left or right shift/ctrl/alt, and also no auto release for shift/ctrl/alt. See trac issue http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/ticket/228 For now, I will keep the browse keybaord as is. Thanks for your feedback. Pander On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 2:52 PM, Pander pan...@users.sourceforge.net wrote: Hi all, Someone mentioned a finger friendly browse keoyboard, and I just could not resist making one myself. the result is here: http://www.opkg.org/package_144.html Note that the type is NUMERIC, let me know if another type better suites this keyboard. It is also referenced here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Illume#List_of_illume_keyboards Regards, Pander ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Register your FreeRunner at Linux Counter
Hi all, Please register your device at http://counter.li.org I filled out these details, please let me know if you have better details: system class: handheld Neo FreeRunner GTA02 cpu: single other 400 ARM920T v41 memory: 128 MB disk: 512 MB network: wireless and ethernet as secondary (over USB) distro: other unstable SHR source: FTP shr.bearstech.com mailer: no mailserver users: 1 accounts: 1 I've asked the maintainer to add some more options like ARM processor and distros like SHR, FSO, OM, FDOM, etc. Perhaps some one is interested in packaging the linux couter tool in an opk? Regards, Pander ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR - latest unstable] endless ringing
Francesco de Virgilio wrote: Joel Newkirk ha scritto: Ergo, the problem appears to be fixed upstream and should arrive in SHR when frameworkd there is updated to match M5 FSO. j And when will this more or less happen, according to your ideas? :) When you let it ring for about 5 seconds or so, it goes into endless ringing ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GPS emergency call standards
Tilman Baumann wrote: Am 24.02.2009 um 12:38 schrieb Helge Hafting: Tilman Baumann wrote: Hi, I'm just wondering if there are any open standards for emergency services for location. I'm thinking about services like http://www.steiger-stiftung.de (European, websites in other languages should be available) A SMS to the respective emergency (112, 911) number containing the GPS position could be a start, but then someone has to read it. I would guess there is a standard for a computer readable format. Building a emergency call app would be a nice thing to have. PS: According to Wikipedia, 112 works on all GSM networks no matter if the number is a emergency number in tie state. If you have the gps coordinates, just tell them over the phone as you make the call. They will use it if they have gps eqipment, which is likely. As log as you are able to do so. I'm more thinking about something like a machine readable side channel paralel to a regular emergency call. BTW. the German ADAC is completely helpless if you provide them GPS coordinates. Automating this seems dangerous in that your SMS to the emergency service is delayed by a few minutes as the phone struggle to get the first fix. When you talk, you can fall back on other descriptions of the place (addresses, road names) if coordinates aren't available. Depends, when a GPS fix is made it will be much more precise and quicker. And there seems to be a standard for cars to make automatic emergency calls on accidents. It is called eCall and no technical information is to be found... :) The notification part sending data can be reused with/from http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Anti-Theft_Mode Uploading GSM cell info, GPS coordinates, USB IDs, voice recordings, etc. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: SHR first impression : it's slow ?
Nicola Mfb wrote: 2009/2/23, Johny Tenfinger seba.d...@gmail.com: [...] About another things - change render mode to software_16, unload drop shadow module and maybe change framerate. This is becoming boring... why is it not the default? Could somebody please collect all these optimisations and set them in the configs used in the SHR and FSO build process? Thanks Nicola ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: SHR first impression : it's slow ?
Which ones are good candidates? - disable drop shadow - framerate to 25 or 24 (whar is default for movies?) - Leonti Bielski wrote: I'm not sure It's a good idea for everyone. Personally I prefer SOFTWARE engine and not SOFTWARE_16 because of quality of image. Leonti On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 5:40 PM, Pander pan...@users.sourceforge.net wrote: Nicola Mfb wrote: 2009/2/23, Johny Tenfinger seba.d...@gmail.com: [...] About another things - change render mode to software_16, unload drop shadow module and maybe change framerate. This is becoming boring... why is it not the default? Could somebody please collect all these optimisations and set them in the configs used in the SHR and FSO build process? Thanks Nicola ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Report] - Buzz fix
Kosa wrote: I also have the 850 and the buzz doesn't appear to me but my friends notice when i use that phone because i either echo or buzz, sometimes a nasty combination of both. The same for me, I don't listen any buzz, but everyone say a lot of bad-words about the noise! I guess I am loosing friends, hehehe. For me, the buzz is absolutly strength signal related. Here in my room, I hear a very very very low buzz, but the other side complains about it. Well, not really, they say there's a buzz only when I ask about it. On the other hand, if I'm on the street, or at the roof, and I ask, many people say they have never heard a clearer cellphone call. I'm nox exagerating: that's what they say. Echo apears only if I turn up the volume. The other side hears it, but I don't. My brother keeps suggesting I dump the devicve in a bucket of water and my friends always ask me: Are you in a train or something? I hope soon a solution will be there, either as an officially endorsed DIY GOP or in other way. On the software side, I hope SHR will offer a dailer app that provides proper/working volume control for the headset+mic. Kosa ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR-unstable] unable to get gprs working
vale wrote: solved ... read this: http://trac.freesmartphone.org/ticket/354 What is a good step by step howto to configure GPRS in SHR unstable? I've managed to figure out the settings for my provider but am a bit lost via the wiki on how to set this up. Especially on where to configure the provider details. My provider is able to send via SMS the GPRS configuration, However, this needs functionality on both the device side to pick up these settings and probably on the side of the provider too. I've already been able to choose Neo 1973 as device type in my online account at my provider (Telfort Netherlands). I'm sure they are willing to implement settings for Neo FreeRunner. Does anyone have experience with this? Do we need to provide them with special FreeRunner settings or can they simply copy the 1973 profile? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR - Latest unstable] navit
Tony Berth wrote: Dear List when trying to install navit (= opkg install navit) I get following error: Collected errors: * ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for navit: * gtk+-fastscaling (= 2.10.14) * Please take into account that following source: http://download.navit-project.org/navit/openmoko/svn/Packages is already in the opkg conf file icluded! More packages experience this problem while it is not a problem for the Om2008.x releases. gtk+-fastscaling (= 2.10.14) should be included ion the SHR repos. Thanks Tony ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[SHR] opkg upgrade unsatisfied recommendation
Hi all, On SHR after opkg update; opkg upgrade, I see the following: task-base-usbhost: unsatisfied recommendation for kernel-module-uhci-hcd task-base-usbhost: unsatisfied recommendation for kernel-module-ehci-hcd task-base-usbhost: unsatisfied recommendation for kernel-module-usbcore task-base-usbhost: unsatisfied recommendation for kernel-module-usbhid task-base-usbhost: unsatisfied recommendation for kernel-module-usbnet task-base-usbhost: unsatisfied recommendation for kernel-module-usbmouse task-base-usbhost: unsatisfied recommendation for kernel-module-mousedev What should I do with this information? Thanks, Pander ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] opkg upgrade unsatisfied recommendation
And also how to deal with this: Collected errors: * ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for vala-terminal: * gtk+-fastscaling (= 2.10.14) * * Package bluez-utils wants to install file /etc/init.d/bluetooth But that file is already provided by package * bluez4 * Package bluez-utils wants to install file /etc/dbus-1/system.d/bluetooth.conf But that file is already provided by package * bluez4 Pander wrote: Hi all, On SHR after opkg update; opkg upgrade, I see the following: task-base-usbhost: unsatisfied recommendation for kernel-module-uhci-hcd task-base-usbhost: unsatisfied recommendation for kernel-module-ehci-hcd task-base-usbhost: unsatisfied recommendation for kernel-module-usbcore task-base-usbhost: unsatisfied recommendation for kernel-module-usbhid task-base-usbhost: unsatisfied recommendation for kernel-module-usbnet task-base-usbhost: unsatisfied recommendation for kernel-module-usbmouse task-base-usbhost: unsatisfied recommendation for kernel-module-mousedev What should I do with this information? Thanks, Pander ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: YAIKT - Yet Another Illume Keyboard Thread
Michael Zanetti wrote: Hi all! I'm using the illume keyboard on my OM2008.12 powered Freerunner. I have created my own keyboard layouts that perfectly fit to my needs: 1. qwerty without any special characters - Finger friendly illume-keyboards-numbers-alt http://www.opkg.org/package_106.html 2. Numbers and most special chars - Finger friendly 3. Full-featured notebook-like with all the crap you never need - Stylus friendly you can take this one as inspiration illume-keyboards-dutch-nl http://www.opkg.org/package_87.html the characters with diacritics are optimised for dutch language according to character histograms but it is perfect for stylus ful feature work. When using my FR as on the go, I constantly need the first two layouts. And I have to switch quite often beween them but I never use the third one. When I'm at home and fiddle around with lots of terminals and stuff like that, it happens that I need the third layout. But then, I have a stylus. The problem now is, that when I'm writing a message using my thumb and switch between the different layouts I need to slide the keyboard up once to switch from the qwerty layout to the numbers but I have to slide up twice to get back to the qwerty one. This is because I have to hop over the full-featured layout that I cannot use with my fingers. The idea is this: It would be great to be able to define if a layout should be addressed when sliding the finger up. This way, only the finger-friendly keyboards would be visible when using the FR only with your fingers. When using a stylus one could still open the terminal-keyboard using the menu on the upper right of the keyboard. This could be done by defining a property in the keyboard file just like for example the property for enabling/disabling the dictionary. IMHO this is not the ultra-mind-blowing idea, but would be a little step closer to the worlds best on-screen-keyboard. What do you think? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Buzz hardware fix in the Netherlands/Belgium (perhaps at FOSDEM)
Hi all, Anyone in the Netherlands or Belgium that as applied the buzz hardware fix? Anyone in the Netherlands or Belgium planning to apply the buzz hardware fix and is interested in doing this collectively? Perhaps on the 6th, 7th or 8th because of FOSDEM at an electronics lab/shop/club in Brussels or even at FOSDEM itself. Then others that are there, with the necessary experience could also attend. Send me a message if you want to take part in this organising this local hardware buzz fix session. Regards, Pander ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Conference] FOSDEM 09 - who is going?
I might go. For those who are too lazy too look, it is in Brussels, Belgium. So all you Dutch and Belgium OpenMoko lovers, let it ponder for a while and simply go. ;) Tim Dobson wrote: Biggest F/LOSS conference in Europe is happening in a few weeks time... Who is going? It'd be great to put names to mailing list faces, meet people doing cool things with their devices and help people who are feeling a bit stuck get started. I'm going; this will be my first FOSDEM. Cheers Tim P.S. I know some OM community members have strong opinions about FOSDEM (which I somewhat sympathise with) and if you want to chat about the political bits, please fork the thread. :) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] Miscellanious minor issues
Johny Tenfinger wrote: 3) Today (29 Jan 2009) I did an opkg update and opkg upgrade and Mofi Wifi hangs when I run it, even before the menu comes up. Is this known? What could be a fix? Will wicd be ported to SHR? With new frameworkd you firstly have to set WiFi to on in shr-settings. Would it be more 'natural' to have it switched on when needed, and switched of when it is not needed any more? This would be similar to the implementation GPS already is powered on and off. 4) Sometimes the scroll bar on the left is gold (see contacts) and sometimes it is black (see settings). Scrollbar from contacts is from etk theme; scrollbar from shr-settings is from elementary theme. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
