Re: [debian] openmoko-panel-plugin 0.5
On 2008-11-07 16:33:09 +0100, arne anka wrote: > i still have no idea how an easily recognized icon for gps should > look like. Ideas I can think of: Map, satellite, globe, grid, radio-signal. A map is probably not easily recognizable at icon size. A satellite alone misses the point. Globe + satellite + signal + position indicator is already taken by TangoGPS and probably too complex anyway. Just a globe with a crosshair over it (as position indicator) would be pretty good, I think. hp -- _ | Peter J. Holzer| Openmoko has already embedded |_|_) | Sysadmin WSR | voting system. | | | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Named "If you want it -- write it" __/ | http://www.hjp.at/ | -- Ilja O. on community@lists.openmoko.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Sean: Please authorise the release of GTA01 schematics
On 2008-08-08 10:00:44 +0800, Joerg Reisenweber wrote: > Am Fr 8. August 2008 schrieb Joshua Broussard: > > Suggest you pull the GTA01 and properly strip out the material > > protected by NDA. I can see it in part by highlighting all text on > > page. > > Sorry, > I don't understand exactly what you're complaining about? I think he's able to make some invisible text (e.g., white print on white background) visible by selecting it and concludes that the "hidden" text is protected by NDA and was not intended to be published. Of course if he's right he should have contacted you privately instead of making cryptic remarks on a public list. hp PS: I can't read any of the text in http://downloads.openmoko.org/schematics/GTA01/Schematic_1973-GTA01_public_RC0.pdf My acrobat reader complains about the missing font "Tahoma". -- _ | Peter J. Holzer| Openmoko has already embedded |_|_) | Sysadmin WSR | voting system. | | | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Named "If you want it -- write it" __/ | http://www.hjp.at/ | -- Ilja O. on community@lists.openmoko.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner @ pulster.eu Shop
On 2008-07-02 10:36:00 +0200, Christoph Pulster wrote:
> many thanks for your big interest in our Freerunner 299 eur offer.
> We started sales Friday 9:00 and 10:30 all the units from our first
> batch are sold out. I really have to excuse myself to all the persons
> who made a order but did not get any reply until yet, sorry !
> You can be sure I will work 24h at the moment to come back to each
> of you with a confirmation of your order with delivery date etc.
An automated confirmation mail, just confirming that the order was
received, would be helpful. After a week I'm not even sure that my order
got through.
hp
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Re: Delay is getting worse...
On 2008-06-20 12:20:54 +0200, Peter Nijs wrote: > https://admin-trac.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1422 I tried to add this to the ticket, but apparently you can only do this if you have an account and I haven't figured out how to create one. So I'm posting it here. I plotted the delay (difference in the timestamps of the last two Received lines) versus time, and found that the delays were fairly short (a few minutes) until May 21st. Then there was an outage of about 16 hours, and after the service resumed on May 22nd, there was a constant, rather long delay (with a few large spikes): http://www.hjp.at/diverses/openmoko-delays.rxml hp -- _ | Peter J. Holzer| Openmoko has already embedded |_|_) | Sysadmin WSR | voting system. | | | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Named "If you want it -- write it" __/ | http://www.hjp.at/ | -- Ilja O. on community@lists.openmoko.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: warranty for 10 pack purchases
On 2008-06-20 23:06:13 -0600, Vinc Duran wrote: > And is the warranty really only 28 days as in this faq? > http://gettingstartedopenmoko.wordpress.com/2007/12/31/faq-frequently-asked-questions/ Good catch. If that's true it's a good argument for ordering from Pulster or some other distributor in the EU. They have to give you 2 years of warranty. hp -- _ | Peter J. Holzer| Openmoko has already embedded |_|_) | Sysadmin WSR | voting system. | | | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Named "If you want it -- write it" __/ | http://www.hjp.at/ | -- Ilja O. on community@lists.openmoko.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Anyone working on a cron port?
On 2008-06-16 11:35:22 +, Lalo Martins wrote: > Also spracht Joerg Reisenweber (Sun, 15 Jun 2008 18:44:20 +0200): > > Am So 15. Juni 2008 schrieb arne anka: > >> anacron > > > > see: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anacron #Drawbacks Also anacron doesn't > > address the rtcwake topic. We should plan for something more versatile > > that's merging cron(/anacron), at/batch, rtcwake, and the other > > powermanagement and wake-from-suspend reasons to make a nice cute > > task-scheduler > > Not *all* of those tools, but: > > lalo:~> gaze what fcron 19:31 ada > fcron: Yes, fcron is probably the best starting point (judging from the features - I haven't looked at the code). Not only does it already do many of the things we would want, the config files have an extensible syntax - if we need some new option (e.g. for "wake up for this job"), it can be added. hp -- _ | Peter J. Holzer| It took a genius to create [TeX], |_|_) | Sysadmin WSR | and it takes a genius to maintain it. | | | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | That's not engineering, that's art. __/ | http://www.hjp.at/ |-- David Kastrup in comp.text.tex signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: delay in recieving mails
On 2008-06-15 23:26:56 +0200, arne anka wrote:
> i get every mail more or less 2h after it is sent (polling the account ist
> set to 15min), though the archive
> (http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-June/date.html)
> displays them much earlier.
Looks like most of the people with long delays (me too, btw) subscribed
only recently.
There are 1651 non-digested addresses subscribed to the list. I don't
know the setup of the mail server, but if it tries to deliver to these
addresses serially it is quite likely that it takes 2 hours to go through
the whole list, especially if some of them are unreachable.
So maybe the postmaster should do some tweaking.
hp
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Re: moko running everything as root
On 2008-06-15 21:15:40 +0200, arne anka wrote: > well, let's say we disagree in the classification of the om -- i think > it's a very powerfull mobile computer and thus should follow basically the > same idea of security. > the user's data can be backed up and thus restored if compromised or > destroyed. > the system itself may causes severe loss of money if compromised: sending > sms, calling those value-added numbers (what's the proper term in > english?), creating internet connections (and maybe sending spam). > accessing your pc if you connect to it to sync or so may corrupt your > computer (take a known vulnerabilty, create an exploit and put it on the > om -- if connected to your pc it could infiltrate). But all of these things a user has to be able to do - so if the user's account is compromised, the intruder can also do these things. I think there is some value in separating privileges even on a one-user device, but I don't think "the user" vs. "root" is a useful separation, because you will end up with a user who is essentially root and can do everything interesting. Separating applications may be more appropriate (e.g., the browser may not need to be able to send SMS), but that needs careful thought. hp -- _ | Peter J. Holzer| It took a genius to create [TeX], |_|_) | Sysadmin WSR | and it takes a genius to maintain it. | | | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | That's not engineering, that's art. __/ | http://www.hjp.at/ |-- David Kastrup in comp.text.tex signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Anyone working on a cron port?
On 2008-06-15 02:29:48 -0700, ian douglas wrote: > Suppose I could check the project page, but it's 2:30am and I'm tired > and lazy. I was updating and installing some software on my Freerunner > tonight to test mp3 playback and noticed again that there's still no > mention of a cron engine in the opkg library. > > Anybody know if it's being worked on? I think that'd be an especially > handy tool to have. I'd go so far as to call it 'essential', at least in > my circumstance. I think a straight port of cron would be simple but not very useful. Cron is really designed for computers which run 24/7. A cron-like tool for a phone (or any other device which is suspended most of the time) at least needs the ability to wake up the device in time for a scheduled job to run and go back to suspend mode after it has finished. But many jobs usually don't need to run at a fixed time. They can just run the next time the device is woken up by the user. Or the next time the device has AC power. hp -- _ | Peter J. Holzer| It took a genius to create [TeX], |_|_) | Sysadmin WSR | and it takes a genius to maintain it. | | | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | That's not engineering, that's art. __/ | http://www.hjp.at/ |-- David Kastrup in comp.text.tex signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: When it will be possible to buy OpenMoko?
On 2008-06-15 10:57:22 +0200, Michele Renda wrote: > I am a OMmer but I can help you because I studied a bit the cost to sell > the OM in Europe. > > 399 $ is the price of FR in US. > > We can image that EU reseller can buy FR in 10 pack, so 369 $ for unit > (I don't know how much tehy pay, It is a supposition done to help calc) > > 369 $ => 240 Euro Note that this amount contains the cost of shipping to the US, US customs, and the margin for the US seller. [extra costs are more than 60 Euro] > Pulster say that is able to sell FR at 299 Euro. I think they are magician! I imagine that Pulster won't import 10-packs from the US. They will probably order larger quantities directly in China, so instead of paying for shipping to the US, paying US customs, then shipping to Europe and paying European customs, they only have to pay for shipping to Europe and pay European customs. So that makes it quite a bit cheaper already. And the bigger quantities should help too. Even if they import from the US, I'm sure they get a much better price for 100 10-packs than we get for a single 10-pack. > In every case I think is a good price. Yep. hp -- _ | Peter J. Holzer| It took a genius to create [TeX], |_|_) | Sysadmin WSR | and it takes a genius to maintain it. | | | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | That's not engineering, that's art. __/ | http://www.hjp.at/ |-- David Kastrup in comp.text.tex signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTA03: New case? Bigger screen!
On 2008-06-15 14:54:27 +1000, Nigel Cunningham wrote: > I want it to be useful for a long time. 3G seems to me ignorant mind > to fit that bill better than GSM. (They've just switched off CDMA here > in Aussie; I don't know anything for certain, but assume that it won't > be too many years before GSM goes the same way). Or maybe I am just > ignorant. Can you do sending and receiving email and so on with GSM, > or is that 3G only? To send and receive mail you need IP (well, not really, you could use UUCP, but all the common protocols for reading and writing mails today (POP, IMAP, SMTP/Submission, HTTP) need IP). IP doesn't care much about the lower layers: It works on GSM as well as on UMTS (only slower), just as it doesn't care whether you've got 4 Mbit token ring or 1000 Gbit Ethernet. As long as your provider gives you an IP address, it will work. As for the lifetime of GSM/GPRS: I have no idea when the telekom companies will drop GSM. No doubt they will at some time, but since many PDAs/Smartphones sold today (for example the Palm Centro) still don't have UMTS, and UMTS coverage is still bad in many regions, it will be some time. So I'm not worried about the GTA02 not supporting UMTS. The GTA03 probably won't need it either, but if the GTA04 is still only 2G it might be the only one when it is released - and that might be the point where telekom companies could turn off GSM. hp -- _ | Peter J. Holzer| It took a genius to create [TeX], |_|_) | Sysadmin WSR | and it takes a genius to maintain it. | | | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | That's not engineering, that's art. __/ | http://www.hjp.at/ |-- David Kastrup in comp.text.tex signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QVGA V/s VGA for GTA03 (was something about yummy CPU-GPU combos!)
On 2008-06-09 09:09:15 -0400, Ken Young wrote: > The question should be "Are you willing to give up the benefits of a > VGA screen in order to have smooth animation and fast video on a QVGA > screen, and a lower cost?". It seems to me that the vast majority of > the people who have reponded here have said no, that's a poor > engineering trade off. I don't have an openmoko yet, so I don't know how the display actually looks or how slow it is. I also don't know what I will use the freerunner for once I get it. But I image that the majority of uses involves text (email, news, ssh) which should really be displayed at 80 chars/line. Probably simple graphics, too (e.g., maps). But I don't think I'll use it to watch videos or play 3d games - so high video performance isn't a high priority for me. My gut feeling is that 640x480 at 2.8" is awfully small (I've printed a screen-shot of an 80x25 windows (with mutt displaying a message from this list) at that size - I can read it, but I think reading longer messages at that font size would be a pain). So I think the direction openmoko should be going in later models (GTA04?) is towards a larger display with at least the same resolution (maybe 640x480 at 4.2", or maybe a wider display (800x480?)) hp -- _ | Peter J. Holzer| It took a genius to create [TeX], |_|_) | Sysadmin WSR | and it takes a genius to maintain it. | | | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | That's not engineering, that's art. __/ | http://www.hjp.at/ |-- David Kastrup in comp.text.tex signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
