Re: [QtMoko] handset is (almost) unusable for voice calls with background noise

2010-06-15 Thread Peter Nijs
On Tuesday 15 June 2010 10:58:41 Joerg Reisenweber wrote:
 Some FR have a problem of 2 capacitors in path to earpiece reducing max 
 possible earpiece level, while others have a correct 2 pcs 0R wire
  instead.  Actually for those I heard several complaints earpiece is too
  loud :-)

I also have the problem the earpiece is too quiet. I set bypass and speaker 
volume to maximum in SHR-testing. Especially in China (china mobile) I 
couldn't use my FR because the operator seems to lower the volume drastically.

Can I expect the cap problem in the A5? And can I exchange these caps with 
'wire' (or a drop of tin myself?

Depeje

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parts for the buzzfix

2010-06-09 Thread Peter Nijs
Hello,

I'm searching for the parts for the buzz-fix so I could do it myself. I only 
find it quite difficult to difficult to find the needed components: 2K2 0402 
smd resistor and a small ceramic 100µF smd cap. On farnell you have to be a 
company and digikey charges 18 Euro transport costs :O. The local electronic 
shop doesn't have any of this components.

Is there anyone on this list who can send a cap and some resistors to 
somewhere near Leuven, Belgium in an envelope for a reasonable price?

Depeje

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Re: parts for the buzzfix

2010-06-09 Thread Peter Nijs
On Wednesday 09 June 2010 15:20:51 Paul Fertser wrote:
 Peter Nijs moko...@depeje.net writes:
  find it quite difficult to difficult to find the needed components: 2K2
  0402 smd resistor and a small ceramic 100µF smd cap.
 
 It'd be a bit too long for me to send you the parts but i can suggest
 using 0603 R (it fits there all right because one side of it should be
 connected to the ground plane anyway.) and a tantalum capacitor, those
 are much easier to source.
 
 HTH
 

Thanks for the tips. I already found them on rs-components (and I have 
contacts who can order there). But aren't tantalum cap's polarised? Or is the 
mic signal DC? Or is there another reason why this isn't a problem?

My coursebook states that they can withstand voltage reversal. I interpreted 
this line as: they're not designed for it, but if you do it once by accident, 
they won't break.

Peter

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Re: parts for the buzzfix

2010-06-09 Thread Peter Nijs
On Wednesday 09 June 2010 18:23:16 Jan Girlich wrote:
 Am Mittwoch, den 09.06.2010, 14:49 +0200 schrieb Peter Nijs:
  Is there anyone on this list who can send a cap and some resistors to
  somewhere near Leuven, Belgium in an envelope for a reasonable price?
 
 I should have some of the resistors left at home I'd send you just for
 the postage from Germany to Belgium.
 
 Tell me if you still want me to send those to you and I'll have a look.
 
 Cheers
 Jan


Thank you all for the tips and the offers. Unfortunately I don't have the time 
to search for the specific cap, nor do I have unused ethernet cards. So I 
ordered a tantalum cap together with the resistors, who are practically free, 
with a friend who can combine this order with a much bigger order.

I'll keep the tips of the network cards and harddrives in mind for the 1024 
fix and the bass rework which are of less importance right now. I'll do that 
in a couple of months when I have more time.

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Re: Fwd: [Shr-User] What's going on in SHR land

2009-12-04 Thread Peter Nijs
Hi,


On Monday 02 November 2009 10:59:42 Sander van Grieken wrote:
 Thanks for the update!
 
 Ever since I saw that the SHR feeds didn't get updated for a while I
  compiled SHR myself from the shr/import branch, so I already knew that
  there was a lot of activity going on under the radar.
 
 For me the usage of opimd for contacts is the nicest new feature. It has a
  VCF backend, so I could just scp my Kaddressbook contacts over to the FR
  and have all my contacts available. nice!

I'm using the latest testing image (4/12/2009) and I'm wondering where in the 
filesystem I have to put my vcf contacts. I'm having trouble installing pisi, 
and it actually isn't worth the trouble if I can just use your method. I just 
can't find out where I have to put my vcf.

Thanks in advance.

 
 Graphic speed felt a little slower though, and the interfacing with FSO was
  broken in some places, like the power management. Also the power button
  didn't bring up the popup menu. But these are all findings of a few weeks
  back, so most will probably be long fixed already.
 
 Thanks again, looking forward to the next stable unstable release of SHR!
 
 grtz,
 Sander
 
 On Sunday 01 November 2009 17:04:30 Thomas Zimmermann wrote:
  For the SHR users that aren't reading the SHR mailing lists i'm
  forwarding this message from spaetz:
 
 
 
  Betreff: [Shr-User] What's going on in SHR land
  Datum: Sonntag 01 November 2009
  Von: Sebastian Spaeth sebast...@sspaeth.de
  An: shr-de...@lists.shr-project.org, shr-u...@lists.shr-project.org
 
  Hi all, for those of you few that do not live 24/7 in IRC land, here is
  a not-so-brief update on what is happening in SHR land. No, we are not
  all dead :).
 
  There are a couple of major transitions that have slowed down new images
  or indeed any updates in the SHR feed. Let me try to sum up a few and  I
  am sure others will chime in and list whatever I have forgotten:
 
  - Transition from the obsolete kdrive-glamo driver to a proper xorg
  server infrastructure. This took some time, but it appears that it is
  working fine now. Don't expect any (initial) performance boosts, but
  being on a regular xorg server and having a driver that is actually
  being developed and maintained is a good thing for the future (thanks to
  Weiss and others for some really hard work here).
 
  - More fso...d goodness. Rather than having Mickey Lauer's python
  prototyped phone backend, we are starting to his re-written bits and
  pieces (coded in vala, which should give us a nice performance boost
  over python). For the beginning we have the resource handling
  (fsoresourced) on board and look forward to the next bits and pieces. I
  know very little about the state of things here, so others might have
  more information.
 
  -New phone apps: As if that were not enough changes, the core team
  (mrmoku, tasn, dos1, and others?) has started to redevelop the frontend
  applications for SHR. the old ophonekitd was initially developed by a
  guy called quickev who has been missing in action since quite some
  months now. Don't ask ME why, but apparently the now design allows for
  better/quicker/whatnot development. I'll let one of them speak out for
  themselves about the motivations. Besides lots of work,this gives us
  also a chance to redesign the screens and make the UI better. So goodbuy
  ophonekitd and libphone-efl, welcome phoneui, and libphoneui-shr.
 
  -Bernd Prünzler(spelling?) is kind enough to help out with some theme
  development (BTW, you did know there is a theme contest going on, do
  you? So, go and design and submit something already!). The default theme
  has been designed for powerful desktops, and is using more transparency
  and other fancy stuff than the slow graphics can do. He is developing a
  theme that should be much faster on the Freerunner (but don't expect
  miracles, the hardware will still be barely able to drive a full
  VGA-resolution screen). So expect a big fight between dos1 (niebee
  theme) and bernd (gry theme) for the fastest performance (while
  retaining good looks).
 
  Last but not least: what we had done the last few months, is basically
  taking a fork of OpenEmbedded and developing from that. While this gave
  us the stability to code apps without having others break our stuff (we
  are quite capabable of doing that ourselves it seems :-) ), this led to
  a quickly diverging SHR and OE tree. It was decided that we really
  should include our stuff into OpenEmbedded proper, rather than just
  doing our stuff in parallel. So we had first put all the stuff into an
  SHR/import git tree which is in the openembedded code repository.
  Next, mrmoku created the shr/merge tree which is kept in sync with the
  OpenEmbedded tree and we ported all our enhancements there. The plan is
  to take our bits and pieces from here and merge them into OE over time.
  This is where we currently stand, we want to keep using the shr/merge
  tree which gives us a current OE 

Re: [opimd] Call from opimd-contacts isn't working

2009-11-14 Thread Peter Nijs
On Monday 09 November 2009 14:38:45 Sebastian Krzyszkowiak wrote:
 On 11/9/09, Peter Nijs moko...@depeje.net wrote:
  Hello,
 
  I never succeed in calling someone from the opimd-contacts application.
  There
  is just no response. When you would expect the dailer (standard shr) to
  pop up, it doesn't. Running opimd-contacts from the commandline doesn't
  reveal much. At startup I just get:
 
  r...@fry ~ $ opimd-contacts
  Using **pending_return in dbus_connection_send_with_reply_setup() without
  pending_setup is deprecated and strongly discouraged
  /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/dbus/connection.py:242:
  DeprecationWarning: object.__init__() takes no parameters
super(Connection, self).__init__(*args, **kwargs)
 
  Using **pending_return in dbus_connection_send_with_reply_setup() without
  pending_setup is deprecated and strongly discouraged
  Using **pending_return in dbus_connection_send_with_reply_setup() without
  pending_setup is deprecated and strongly discouraged
  . And a bunch of them!
 
  Nothing happens on the cli when I press the number to call from the
  contact. I
  use version 0.0.3+gitr133+11536ff92e44c956bb53af210fbe0ab806d8dcaf-r2 of
  opimd-utils.
 
  Is this still normal, or should this work by now?
 
  Depeje
 
 Check your ogsmd and ophonekitd/phonefsod. opimd-contacts is just
 calling InitiateCall method, nothing more, rest is to be done by other
 apps.
 

Hello,

Thanks for helping. I have looked around a little bit but cannot find 
anything. When running ophonekitd from the terminal, I don't even see any 
message comming up when trying to call someone from my addressbook.

I'm running the 'stable' unstable version of SHR from august. I have updated 
ophonekitd right now and that didn't change anything. Currently I'm runnging 
version 0.0.2+gitr759+767cc2cd22f5f15c69440018365d41980b1507aa-r18. I didn't 
find ogsmd. to find information or to update. It's hidden well. Also, 
resolving phonennumbers to names isn't working.

Depeje

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[opimd] Call from opimd-contacts isn't working

2009-11-08 Thread Peter Nijs
Hello,

I never succeed in calling someone from the opimd-contacts application. There 
is just no response. When you would expect the dailer (standard shr) to pop 
up, it doesn't. Running opimd-contacts from the commandline doesn't reveal 
much. At startup I just get:

r...@fry ~ $ opimd-contacts 
Using **pending_return in dbus_connection_send_with_reply_setup() without 
pending_setup is deprecated and strongly discouraged
/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/dbus/connection.py:242: DeprecationWarning: 
object.__init__() takes no parameters
  super(Connection, self).__init__(*args, **kwargs) 
  
Using **pending_return in dbus_connection_send_with_reply_setup() without 
pending_setup is deprecated and strongly discouraged
Using **pending_return in dbus_connection_send_with_reply_setup() without 
pending_setup is deprecated and strongly discouraged
. And a bunch of them!

Nothing happens on the cli when I press the number to call from the contact. I 
use version 0.0.3+gitr133+11536ff92e44c956bb53af210fbe0ab806d8dcaf-r2 of 
opimd-utils.

Is this still normal, or should this work by now?

Depeje

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Re: [OM2009] airplane mode

2009-06-20 Thread Peter Nijs
On Saturday 20 June 2009 16:00:10 Al Johnson wrote:
 On Friday 19 June 2009, Petr Vanek wrote:
  - FSO has a bug in reporting the speed - you will notice in speed
above 200km - check between shr settings and tango
  - FSO is quite unable to get a fix while in 1m altitude and (or)
high speed. it sees the satelites, get's a fix and then for some
reason something happens and no satelite is being seen anymore. this
will repeat fo as long as you leave it.

 The GPS has several modes optimised for different use cases. The default
 one is suitable for ground-based vehicles, and sanity checks its output
 including speed and altitude. In a plane you are at insane speed and
 altitude for a ground vehicle ;-) I don't think ogpsd has an option to
 change this, so a feature request may be in order.


Do you know what it would do with speeds of 300 km/h and altitudes of 2000 m 
in Belgium? I would like to be able to trust the gps logs of such events.


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Re: Fennec on TR4

2009-06-08 Thread Peter Nijs
Hey,

I've found more builds for arm here: 
ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/mobile/ .

I just copied the content of the archives (I've tried b1rc2, b1rc3 and the 
nightly build from 7 june 2009) in /usr/lib/ over the original (from pkg) 
folder. But running fennec then gives me:

r...@fry:/usr/lib# export DISPLAY=:0
r...@fry:/usr/lib# ./fennec/fennec
./fennec/fennec: libstdc++.so.6: no version information available (required by 
./fennec/fennec)
Illegal instruction
r...@fry:/usr/lib# 

Maybe someone knows how to work around that. I use Om2008.12 and with the 
original from pkg (Version: 1:0.9+1.0b2pre-r3) I also have the illigal 
instruction' problem.

best regards,
depeje

On Tuesday 26 May 2009 05:04:31 Warren Baird wrote:
 Thanks Victor - but I really don't have the time right now to set up a dev
 environment to build stuff for the FR...   If there's a build of it
 somewhere I can grab and install, I'd happily test it...

 Warren

 On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 9:49 PM, Victor Tang tangx5...@gmail.com wrote:
  --
  Hi Warren Baird,
  Try a stable version.E.g.
  tag=*FENNEC_B1https://hg.mozilla.org/mobile-browser/rev/9aa835472fed *
 
 
 
 
 
 
  thanks,
  Victor
 
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microsoft patent with idea's from this list

2009-02-03 Thread Peter Nijs
I've just read a (Dutch) news article 
(http://tweakers.net/nieuws/58158/microsoft-wil-brug-tussen-smartphone-en-pc-
patenteren.html) which describes a new patent microsoft filed. In the article 
is a link to an English description of the patent. 
(http://v3.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/description?CC=WONR=2009012344A2KC=A2FT=Ddate=20090122DB=EPODOClocale=en_US)

The patent describes a dock for a smartphone, which connects to external 
devices such as a keyboard, mouse, screen,... wired or wireless. Now I think 
Openmoko already does a lot of these things, and other things have already 
been thought of. We can already hook up wired and wireless devices (such as 
mice and keyboards) to the Freerunner. I'm almost sure someone suggested 
hooking up an external screen to it. That's technically not possible, but it's 
been thought of. Integrating the wired connection between FR and the external 
devices has also been thought of earlier in this list.

I'm not a lawyer, but since the patent was published on the 22th of January, I 
think for some parts of this patent, there is some sort of prior art 
involved. Also it wouldn't surprise me if Microsoft and Apple are 
eavesdropping on this list. (Note to Microsoft and Apple: Please don't steal 
our idea's. If you do: Please die a slow and painfull death.)

mvg,
depeje


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Re: microsoft patent with idea's from this list

2009-02-03 Thread Peter Nijs
On Tuesday 03 February 2009 15:11:40 Mathieu Rochette wrote:
 Peter Nijs wrote:
  I've just read a (Dutch) news article
  (http://tweakers.net/nieuws/58158/microsoft-wil-brug-tussen-smartphone-en
 -pc- patenteren.html) which describes a new patent microsoft filed. In the
  article is a link to an English description of the patent.
  (http://v3.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/description?CC=WONR=20090123
 44A2KC=A2FT=Ddate=20090122DB=EPODOClocale=en_US)
 
  The patent describes a dock for a smartphone, which connects to external
  devices such as a keyboard, mouse, screen,... wired or wireless. Now I
  think Openmoko already does a lot of these things, and other things have
  already been thought of. We can already hook up wired and wireless
  devices (such as mice and keyboards) to the Freerunner. I'm almost sure
  someone suggested hooking up an external screen to it. That's technically
  not possible, but it's been thought of. Integrating the wired connection
  between FR and the external devices has also been thought of earlier in
  this list.

 wikipedia says:
a patent application must include one or more claims defining the 
invention which must be new, inventive, and useful or industrially
applicable.

 one or more means that even if prior art exists, it can still be
 patented. This is different from intellectual property where anteriority
 prevent copyright. (at least in france)

But it also seas it must be new. Which it isn't because it has been suggested 
on this list before.


  I'm not a lawyer, but since the patent was published on the 22th of
  January, I think for some parts of this patent, there is some sort of
  prior art involved. Also it wouldn't surprise me if Microsoft and Apple
  are eavesdropping on this list. (Note to Microsoft and Apple: Please
  don't steal our idea's. If you do: Please die a slow and painfull death.)
 
  mvg,
  depeje
 
 
  
 
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Re: microsoft patent with idea's from this list

2009-02-03 Thread Peter Nijs
On Tuesday 03 February 2009 20:10:08 arne anka wrote:
  (http://v3.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/description?CC=WONR=20090123
 44A2KC=A2FT=Ddate=20090122DB=EPODOClocale=en_US)

 i didn't read it fully, but how does that differ from a simple hub or the
 common docking station well known to notebook users? and it what respect
 exactly is it not obvious?
 btw: there's one of these foss organisations doing exactly what we want --
 looking for prior art and questioning patents. if anybody knows their
 address, drop 'em a note ...

Do you mean this one?

http://openinventionnetwork.com/


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Re: Dead FR: does not boot IT NOW DOES

2009-01-22 Thread Peter Nijs
Borrowing a nokia battery isn't difficult, but it's not good pr for the 
freerunner tho.

depeje

On Thursday 22 January 2009 16:25:37 Eildert Groeneveld wrote:
 Just to update all of you: meanwhile the FR is alive again. None of tricks
 mentioned here cut, except replacing the apparently totally drained battery
 with that from a compatible Nokia phone. After booting I connected my FR to
 power and exchanged the batteries agaian and charging went ahead as one
 would expect.

 So we do not really ever have a problem with our nice FR as long as there
 are friends around who are willing to lend a battery.

 greetings

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Re: Dead FR: does not boot

2009-01-19 Thread Peter Nijs
You could try hooking the battery connector of the freerunner directly to an 
alternative 4,5V source, like a battery. With the original battery in the 
freerunner you can check the polarity. Remove the original battery before 
connecting the alternative one. If, with a full 4,5 battery, your freerunner 
doesn't boot, and the cables, connectors,.. aren't broken, I would also guess 
something serious is wrong with your freerunner. When it boots, or partially 
boots, you know you can keep trying other combinations of 
usb/wall/laptop/power/aux/UBOOT (I think some uboot versions can handle the 
problem better). You can also completely boot withe alternative supply, plug 
in the wall charger and switch the alternative supply with the original 
battery. It will then start charging. If I remember correctly you can't see 
it's charging from the battery icon. #cat /proc/apm will tell you the truth.

depeje

On Monday 19 January 2009 10:57:45 Eildert Groeneveld wrote:
 Dear List
 the booting issue with a flat battery has been with us for some time, but
 allegedly also been solved.

 My FR seems to have a drained battery but no combination of aux/power and
 power/aux with usb/laptop and wallsocket could persuade it to enter life:
 it simply stays dead.

 Has this happended to anyone else? Perhaps the FR itself is broken?

 any suggestions?

 Eildert
 ps I have hackable1 (upto date last week) on it.
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Re: debian and openoffice

2009-01-17 Thread Peter Nijs
Are you running out of ram? I've already seen processes vanish when running 
out of ram and swap. Earlyer today I've seen a post about how to add swap 
space.

I've never used debian or openoffice on my freerunner, maybe it's possible, I 
haven't invesigated it. Openoffice seems just such a heavy program for the 
freerunner.

depeje

On Saturday 17 January 2009 21:05:55 Samuel Pereira wrote:
 Hi,

 Anyone can use openoffice with debian?

 I try to open, but the process starts and stop without error...

 Thanks,
 Samuel


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Re: results of a survey maemo vs openmoko

2009-01-16 Thread Peter Nijs
They wanted to only let active members take part in the survey if I remember 
correctly. By sending the mail to the mailinglist they can't prevent non-
active users not to participate.

depeje

On Thursday 15 January 2009 18:47:46 Joseph Reeves wrote:
 Did anyone else ignore the original survey as unsolicited spam? I'd
 have probably completed it if they'd sent a mail to the mailing list
 asking people to take part, but sending it to individual users seemed
 to be bad netiquette.

 Joseph

 2009/1/15 Yorick Moko yorickm...@gmail.com:
  http://public.smi.ethz.ch/files/MaemoOpenmoko/PublicDescriptiveStatistics
 .html
 
  it's also on the planet:
  http://risto.kurppa.fi/blog/maemo-openmoko-community-survey-results-publi
 shed/
 
  thought people would find it interesting
 
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Re: stupid networking question

2009-01-13 Thread Peter Nijs
Sadly, this doesn't work on my suse (/etc/sysconfig/...) based system.

depeje

On Thursday 08 January 2009 12:58:09 Thomas Otterbein wrote:
 FYI:

 On my kubuntu (ubuntu with KDE installed by default) using the KDE
 NetworkManager I followed the advices on
 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking#Debian.2C_Ubuntu_and_others

 but insereted auto usb0 into /etc/network/interfaces as suggested by
 arne. It looks now like that:

   auto lo
   iface lo inet loopback

   # freerunner
   auto usb0
   allow-hotplug usb0
   iface usb0 inet static
   address 192.168.0.200
   netmask 255.255.255.192
   post-up /etc/network/freerunner start
   pre-down /etc/network/freerunner stop

 After a reboot (NetworkManager did not want to play well i.e. did not adopt
 to the changes) I get Device usb0: unmanaged and everything works as
 expected: My FR get's configured by /etc/network/freerunner and my
 (W)LAN-connections a correctly handled by NetworkManager.

 I guess this solution solves the issue for Ubuntu and all it's derivates
 too. Probably for all KDE-Installations as it seems that the key is to make
 the NetworkManager ignore the usb0-Interface.

 Regards
   thomas


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Re: [2008.12] problem flashing u-boot

2009-01-10 Thread Peter Nijs
I also have a similar problem and an easy workaround.

I have the next files in the next folders:
flash/
flash/dfu-util
flash/2008.9/
flash/2008.9/uImage.bin
flash/2008.9/rootfs.jffs2
flash/2008.12/uImage.bin
flash/2008.12/rootfs.jffs2
flash/qtextended/.

When I do:
# cd flash
# ./dfu-util -a kernel -R -D 2008.12/uImage.bin

I also get No such Alternate Setting: kernel, but when I do this:

# cd 2008.12
# ../dfu-util -a kernel -R -D uImage.bin

it just works. For me this is true for -a kernel and -a rootfs. I haven't 
tried uboot the wrong way.

depeje

On Saturday 10 January 2009 05:55:21 Harry L. Lee wrote:
 this command line:
 ./dfu-util -a u-boot -R -D uboot.bin

 yields
 dfu-util - (C) 2007 by OpenMoko Inc.
 This program is Free Software and has ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY

 Opening USB Device 0x:0x...
 Claiming USB DFU Runtime Interface...
 Determining device status: state = dfuERROR, status = 14
 dfuERROR, clearing status
 not at least 2 device changes found ?!?
 Opening USB Device...
 No such Alternate Setting: u-boot
 r...@galaxy:/home/harry#


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Re: stupid networking question

2009-01-07 Thread Peter Nijs
On my opensuse 11.1 kde installation, Knetworkmanager also _seems_ to do this. 
What really happens is that knetworkmanager tries to also connect with the FR 
on interface usb0. This is because I have set up a rule to autoconnect to a 
wired network with dhcp. For some reason it also applies to usb0 and not only 
eth0. Also, knetworkmanager has only one icon, so it can only show the state 
of one interface at a time. Because of this I cannot see my wlan0 or eth0 
connection is still online, but mostly it is. Maybe your computer has the same 
problem.

What I have to do to connect to my FR is, pug it in and wait for 
knetworkmanager to stop trying to connect to it. Than I have to manually 
connect to it using the terminal.

If there is anyone who knows how to stop knetworkmanager from trying to 
connect to usb0, or how to set up knetworkmanager so it does NAT for my FR, 
plaese share your wisdom. But this problem isn't that urgent.

depeje

On Wednesday 07 January 2009 02:09:14 Harry L. Lee wrote:
 I have an  eeepcwifi'd into the Net, running ubuntu,but when i plug the
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Re: Using mplayer with seme desktop symbols for streaming stations and wlan :-)

2009-01-04 Thread Peter Nijs
I've seen one in the angstom-distribution's repo.

depeje

On Sunday 04 January 2009 15:30:13 lollisoft wrote:
 Hi,

 I am sad. The new version in testing from today does not contain an
 installable mplayer.
 Where must I go to download one for my FR ?

 Thanks

 Lothar

 kimaidou wrote:
  Hi Guys
  I am using a shell script on Ubuntu which uses mplayer to play internet
  (streaming) radio stations. I attached the script in this email. I
  haven't yet tried it on the freerunner, but I should probably work. It
  has been written by french people, so the radio are french ones, but it
  can be adapted.
 
  Happy new year
 
 
  2009/1/4 lollisoft lothar.behr...@lollisoft.de
 
  I think that the problem of the error message is not killing mplayer,
  but the
  outer
  script gets reported to stop unexpectly. Propably there should be
  implemented a
  signal handler.
 
  Lothar
 
  Chris Samuel wrote:
   On Sun, 4 Jan 2009 11:17:56 am Daniel Nöthen wrote:
   What you probably mean is the killall -SIGKILL command which kills
   the process without giving it the chance for run any cleanup
   routines.
  
   It depends on what the programmer has specified signal handlers for,
   so
 
  if
 
   they'd coded something just to deal with a user getting disconnected
   (SIGHUP)
   but not for ^C (SIGTERM) then you're better off sending that program
   SIGHUP
   rather than SIGTERM.
  
   Not to mention submitting a patch make it handle SIGTERM too.. ;-)
  
   Fortunately mplayer does the right thing in this case.
  
   --
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   This email may come with a PGP signature as a file. Do not panic.
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wifi using GUI in 2008.9

2008-12-07 Thread Peter Nijs
Hi,

The wiki says that I can use the gui in the settings-application to even 
connect to a wpa2 protected network. Now I tried that with an open network 
and it works. (except for rerouting, which I still have to do using terminal. 
It also thinks it failed even when it succeeded.) But I was never able to 
connect to my protected network, probably because I type in the PSK wrong. 
Isn't there a way to preload the neo with the key via ssh in a config file? 
Because having to type it is really a pain in the rear. Also I have noticed 
the gui doesn't store the password, but maybe it's because it thinks the 
connection failed.

I want to use the gui because it otherwise seems to interfere with mofi or 
lint (or the ifup, wpa_supplicant). It is also the nearest to usable tool to 
connect to a network. The only things I would like to see improved are:
-a config, or config files for each AP
-reroute through eth0
-know when it is connected and don't say it failed when it succeeded.

In a further stadium 802.1x would be nice.

greetings,
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Re: wifi using GUI in 2008.9

2008-12-07 Thread Peter Nijs
On Sunday 07 December 2008 12:17:19 arne anka wrote:
  Isn't there a way to preload the neo with the key via ssh in a config
  file?

 /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf

My accesspoint is configured in wpa_supplicant, but the gui keeps asking me 
for the key. Should I just not fill it in then?

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Re: power-on without battery!

2008-11-11 Thread Peter Nijs
I think you should be more concerned with the clips that hold the back cover 
on your phone. I only remove the cover (very carefully) when my phone 
freezes).

It's also easier to find a new battery insted of finding a new back cover for 
the freerunner.

depeje

Op Tuesday 11 November 2008 11:13:26 schreef Tony Berth:
 On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 11:03 AM, Christian Adams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
  Hash: SHA1
 
  Am 11.11.2008 um 10:35 schrieb Tony Berth:
   Hi,
  
   I was trying to power-on my FR but having the battery removed and
   didn't succeed! Goes up to a point and then stops! Is a reason for
   that?
  
   Thanks
  
   Tony
 
  on booting the FR needs more than 100mA - and that's the limit as
  long as no system is running yet
 
  ciao,
 christian (morlac) adams
  - --

  so USB connection doesn't provide enough 'juice' to boot? The reason was
 to save on battery. Trying to avoid the memory effect!

 Thanks

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Re: (OM2008.9) Weird death on connecting USB

2008-11-09 Thread Peter Nijs
I have that same behaviour when connecting my freerunner to a zingg hub dynamo 
charger.

mvg,
depeje

Op Sunday 19 October 2008 19:14:34 schreef Paul:
 Hi all,

 Been running OM2008.9 for a while (from uSD) and that's pretty okay.
 Just now however I noticed:
 After having the FR on for about a day, I connected the USB cable to the
 PC. The FR screen showed for a moment, went black and remained that way.
 I had to pull the battery to force a reboot.

 Is this known behaviour? Will that not happen when I flash the FR with
 this?

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minimo segfaults when surfing to ssl sites with non-standard ports

2008-11-09 Thread Peter Nijs
To be able to use the wireless lan in my college I have to authenticate myself 
thrue an ssl encrypted site. When I use minimo for that (the only browser 
that knows something about ssl on the freerunner) it segfaults.

Attached to this mail is the output file of #wget http://www.google.be . You 
can see the browser will be redirected to an ssl-encrypted site on port 8081, 
at which point minimo segfaults. I don't get the chance to see the 
authentication form.

When I am completely connected to the internet and i surf to a self hosted 
ssl-site on port 44344 it also segfaults.

This is particularly nasty because now I can't use the internet at all in my 
college. Does anybody know where I should start looking for a solution, or 
anybody who knows a workaround to get authenticated?

sincerly yours,
depeje
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Re: Use gps for clock correction

2008-08-17 Thread Peter Nijs
That works, thanks!

Op Friday 15 August 2008 13:59:17 schreef vale:
 gpssight can do that:

 opkg install
 http://projects.openmoko.org/frs/download.php/227/gpssight_0.8.4_freerunner
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Re: Use gps for clock correction

2008-08-17 Thread Peter Nijs
I've put this solution in the wiki.

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Setting_Date_and_Time#Setting_the_date.2Ftime_automatically_with_gps

Peter

Op Friday 15 August 2008 13:59:17 schreef vale:
 gpssight can do that:

 opkg install
 http://projects.openmoko.org/frs/download.php/227/gpssight_0.8.4_freerunner
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Use gps for clock correction

2008-08-14 Thread Peter Nijs
Is there a way to use the clock of the gps to correct the hardware clock of 
the neo? A button sync hw clock in agpsui would be nice. Maybe later it 
could be a daemon (like ntpd) that does this as soon as the gps chip knows 
the gps time.

Peter


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Re: opkg: Could not obtain administrative lock (Om2008.8)

2008-08-09 Thread Peter Nijs
The graphical installer uses packagekit. This doesn't close when you close the 
installer. So if you want to use opkg after having used the installer, 
run killall packagekit first.

Peter

Op Saturday 09 August 2008 06:03:32 schreef Nathan Kinkade:
 Installed the Om2008.8 images announced today and so far I'm very
 impressed.  I think this is probably good enough for me to start using
 the Freerunner as my daily mobile device.

 However, I just ran into a small issue that I thought I'd post here in
 case someone else runs across it.  To test the graphical installer
 app, I launched it and installed something ... it worked nicely.  I
 then went to a terminal to install something else but I was getting
 this message:

 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# opkg list
 Collected errors:
  * Could not obtain administrative lock

 I then found this thread:
 http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td680875

 I expected my problem to be the same, but it wasn't:

 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# fuser /usr/lib/opkg/lock
 1872
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# ps up 1872
 USER   PID %CPU %MEMVSZ   RSS TTY  STAT START   TIME COMMAND
 root  1872 11.7  2.4  16732  2976 ?SLsl 19:25   9:07
 /usr/bin/pulseaudio sniped

 I have no idea what pulseaudio was doing with opkg ... maybe updating
 itself or some component?  Anyway, maybe this will help someone else.

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Re: Om 2008.8 doesn't ask for my pin so no gsm available

2008-08-09 Thread Peter Nijs
In an attempt to make it work (which failed btw) I installed these packages 
from the standard repos:
-gsm0710mux
-libgsmd
-gsmd-plugins
-libmokogsmd2-0
-qtopia-phone-x11-libgsm

+ all dependency's

Since it still doesn't work, the question is if they are necessary to be able 
to use the openmoko as a phone. If they are not necessary, arn't they going 
to interfere with the packages that are used now to make phone calls?

Peter

Op Friday 08 August 2008 23:16:29 schreef Peter Mogensen:
   I flashed the new kernel and image but if I boot now I'm not getting
   asked for a pin. There's no gsm in 2008.8 for me...

 This seem to be a common problem.
 The PIN-dialog does come up once in a while though. Restarting the
 X-server can make it appear.
 But even though to enter the correct PIN and the dialog closes without
 error, there's no GMS available.

 Trying to talk AT to the modem manually doesn't seem to work either. It
 just hangs.
 I tried move the SIM to an old phone an it still works OK. Somehow the
 FreeRunner seemded to have disabled PIN on the SIM though, so I had to
 re-enable.

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Re: Freerunner-powered bike ride

2008-08-08 Thread Peter Nijs
You can find water-proof cases here. 
http://www.otterbox.be/index1.html?lang=nlgclid=CJ3C0v_B_pQCFROI1Qod-hyCqg I 
haven't checked if it actually fits.

Peter Nijs

Op Monday 04 August 2008 05:27:14 schreef Tim Erwin:
  I took some photos and uploaded them to my blog:
  http://andre.web-yard.de/blog/2008/08/03/neo-freerunner-rocks-hard-rides-
 free/

 That looks great! Add a weather proof case/cover and a dynamo charger
 and that will make for some awesome riding.

 Cheers,

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Re: Freerunner ?hibernates? while flashing?

2008-08-08 Thread Peter Nijs
I also have experienced this annoing shutdowns while I was in U-Boot, but not 
during flashing.

Peter

Op Thursday 07 August 2008 22:36:27 schreef Christophe Badoit:
 Rorschach a écrit :
  Hi, when I go into the NOR-Flash to flash my rootfs or the kernel and
  I do

 nothing for ~30 sec the screen gets dark. What happens? Is it just
 hibernating or shutting down?

  I have to press the aux-button a lot but this is really annonying.
  But

 the real question: what happens if I flash an image and do not press the
 aux-button all the time? The same like I'm just normal in the menu? So
 does it shutdown and abort the flashing while the transfer?

 I read in the wiki (don't know where / when) that :

 - uboot shuts down after 30s of inactivity
 - transferring via dfu prevents shutting down




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Re: Fast questions (email, GPRS, WiFi...)

2008-07-26 Thread Peter Nijs
After a while it became clear it was only reproducible when my neo can visibly 
see my router. When there's concrete in between it doesn't work for my neo. 
My notebook on the other hand reports 60% signal strength and can connect in 
seconds.

When udhcpc is sending discovers I can see on my router it is receiving 
these discovers and is assigning my neo an ip. Unfortunatly udhcpc keeps 
sending discovers as if it doesn't hear my router's respons.

Sometimes udhcpc outputs a couple of this lines Sending select for 
192.168.1.92 At these moments I can see on my router the lease time for 
that ip is forever. But after udhcpc outputted a couple of these lines it 
reverts to sending discovers.

When I leave udhcpc running for like 10 minutes it finally also receives a 
lease time which is quite forever (140773632 seconds). My router reports it 
as forever.

Here's my iwconfig output if it can be of any use:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# iwconfig
lono wireless extensions.

usb0  no wireless extensions.

eth0  AR6000 802.11g  ESSID:PN
  Mode:Managed  Frequency:2.462 GHz  Access Point: 00:0E:2E:BA:1E:51
  Bit Rate=1 Mb/s   Tx-Power=15 dBm   Sensitivity=0/3
  Retry:on
  Encryption key:off
  Power Management:off
  Link Quality:172/94  Signal level:-179 dBm  Noise level:-96 dBm
  Rx invalid nwid:0  Rx invalid crypt:0  Rx invalid frag:0
  Tx excessive retries:39  Invalid misc:0   Missed beacon:0

I think it's mainly a bug in udhcpc which maibe isn't fully compatible with my 
edimax router and dhcp server.

Peter Nijs

Op Friday 25 July 2008 01:27:58 schreef Peter Nijs:
 With udhcpc eth0 immediatly after ifup eth0 I seem to get an IP
 (reproducably!). I also did ifdown usb0 now before I did ifup eth0. I was
 planning to that _after_ I got an IP on eth0. Thanks for the help!

 Peter Nijs

 Op Thursday 24 July 2008 23:09:12 schreef Jim Morris:
  Make sure you do ifdown usb0 before ifup eth0
 
  Then if dhcp does not get a lease first time through (which for me is
  about 50/50) then you can do this from the console which always gets the
  lease for me.
 
udhcpc eth0
 
  After that wifi should work.
 
  Peter Nijs wrote:
   After a whole lot of tweaking I still cannot get an IP from my wireless
   router. My current setup looks like this:
  
   /etc/network/interfaces:---
   # /etc/network/interfaces -- configuration file for ifup(8), ifdown(8)
  
   # The loopback interface
   auto lo
   iface lo inet loopback
  
   # Wireless interfaces
   iface wlan0 inet dhcp
   wireless_mode managed
   wireless_essid any
   iface atml0 inet dhcp
  
   # Wired or wireless interfaces
   iface eth0 inet dhcp
  wpa-conf /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf
  
   iface eth1 inet dhcp
  
   # Ethernet/RNDIS gadget (g_ether)
   # ... or on host side, usbnet and random hwaddr
   auto usb0
   iface usb0 inet static
 address 192.168.0.202
 netmask 255.255.255.0
 network 192.168.0.0
 gateway 192.168.0.200
 up echo nameserver 192.168.0.200 /etc/resolv.conf
  
   # Bluetooth networking
   iface bnep0 inet dhcp
  
  
   /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant:
  --  ctrl_interface=/var/run/wpa_supplicant
   ctrl_interface_group=0
   eapol_version=1
   ap_scan=1
   fast_reauth=0
  
   network={
ssid=PN
scan_ssid=1
key_mgmt=NONE
wep_tx_keyidx=0
  
wep_key0=I'm not showing that!
priority=8
   }
  
  
   Now here's what I do:
   [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# ifup eth0
   sed: unrecognized option `--quiet'
   BusyBox v1.11.1 (2008-07-18 00:49:01 CEST) multi-call binary
  
   Usage: sed [-efinr] pattern [files...]
  
   WPA: Configuring Interface
   ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODEEXT]: Operation not supported
   ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODEEXT]: Operation not supported
   ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODEEXT]: Operation not supported
   ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODEEXT]: Operation not supported
   udhcpc (v1.11.1) started
   run-parts: /etc/udhcpc.d/00avahi-autoipd exited with code 1
   Sending discover...
   Sending discover...
   Sending discover...
   No lease, failing
   [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# iwconfig
   lono wireless extensions.
  
   usb0  no wireless extensions.
  
   eth0  AR6000 802.11g  ESSID:PN
 Mode:Managed  Frequency:2.462 GHz  Access Point:
   00:0E:2E:BA:1E:51 Bit Rate=36 Mb/s   Tx-Power=15 dBm   Sensitivity=0/3
 Retry:on
 Encryption key:897B-9067-4C99-1AC7-B433-AABB-01   Security
   mode:open Power Management:off
 Link Quality:180/94  Signal level:-171 dBm  Noise level:-96
   dBm Rx invalid nwid:0  Rx invalid crypt:0  Rx invalid frag:0 Tx
   excessive retries:7  Invalid misc:0   Missed beacon:1
  
   [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# ifconfig eth0
   eth0  Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:12:CF:8E:E6:8D
 UP BROADCAST MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
 RX

Re: Fast questions (email, GPRS, WiFi...)

2008-07-24 Thread Peter Nijs
After a whole lot of tweaking I still cannot get an IP from my wireless 
router. My current setup looks like this:

/etc/network/interfaces:---
# /etc/network/interfaces -- configuration file for ifup(8), ifdown(8)
 
# The loopback interface
auto lo
iface lo inet loopback

# Wireless interfaces
iface wlan0 inet dhcp
wireless_mode managed
wireless_essid any
iface atml0 inet dhcp

# Wired or wireless interfaces
iface eth0 inet dhcp
   wpa-conf /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf

iface eth1 inet dhcp

# Ethernet/RNDIS gadget (g_ether)
# ... or on host side, usbnet and random hwaddr
auto usb0
iface usb0 inet static
address 192.168.0.202
netmask 255.255.255.0
network 192.168.0.0
gateway 192.168.0.200
up echo nameserver 192.168.0.200 /etc/resolv.conf

# Bluetooth networking
iface bnep0 inet dhcp


/etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant:--
ctrl_interface=/var/run/wpa_supplicant
ctrl_interface_group=0
eapol_version=1
ap_scan=1
fast_reauth=0

network={
 ssid=PN
 scan_ssid=1
 key_mgmt=NONE
 wep_tx_keyidx=0

 wep_key0=I'm not showing that!
 priority=8
}


Now here's what I do:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# ifup eth0
sed: unrecognized option `--quiet'
BusyBox v1.11.1 (2008-07-18 00:49:01 CEST) multi-call binary

Usage: sed [-efinr] pattern [files...]

WPA: Configuring Interface
ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODEEXT]: Operation not supported
ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODEEXT]: Operation not supported
ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODEEXT]: Operation not supported
ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODEEXT]: Operation not supported
udhcpc (v1.11.1) started
run-parts: /etc/udhcpc.d/00avahi-autoipd exited with code 1
Sending discover...
Sending discover...
Sending discover...
No lease, failing
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# iwconfig
lono wireless extensions.

usb0  no wireless extensions.

eth0  AR6000 802.11g  ESSID:PN
  Mode:Managed  Frequency:2.462 GHz  Access Point: 00:0E:2E:BA:1E:51
  Bit Rate=36 Mb/s   Tx-Power=15 dBm   Sensitivity=0/3
  Retry:on
  Encryption key:897B-9067-4C99-1AC7-B433-AABB-01   Security mode:open
  Power Management:off
  Link Quality:180/94  Signal level:-171 dBm  Noise level:-96 dBm
  Rx invalid nwid:0  Rx invalid crypt:0  Rx invalid frag:0
  Tx excessive retries:7  Invalid misc:0   Missed beacon:1

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# ifconfig eth0
eth0  Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:12:CF:8E:E6:8D
  UP BROADCAST MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
  RX packets:646 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
  TX packets:419 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
  collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
  RX bytes:278955 (272.4 KiB)  TX bytes:20950 (20.4 KiB)

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~#

While udhcpc is sending discovers I can see my router is leasing my neo a 
valid ip for 60 seconds each sending discover.

Sometimes, in very rare cases I can get a decent lease. But that is not 
reproducible. I think it's happened three times to me the last three days.

Anyone knows how I could get an IP reliably?

Peter Nijs

Op Sunday 13 July 2008 01:05:12 schreef Jim Morris:
 arne anka wrote:
  well, i did what
  http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_wlan
  says -- adding
 
  iface eth0 inet dhcp
  wpa-conf /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf

 Ok that worked, although I have some routing issues now. The manual method
 did not work though.

   iwconfig

 eth0  AR6000 802.11g  ESSID:morrisnetwork2
Mode:Managed  Frequency:2.422 GHz  Access Point:
 00:1D:5A:BB:FA:A9 Bit Rate=48 Mb/s   Tx-Power=16 dBm   Sensitivity=0/3
Retry:on
Encryption key:off
Power Management:off
Link Quality:207/94  Signal level:-144 dBm  Noise level:-96 dBm
Rx invalid nwid:0  Rx invalid crypt:0  Rx invalid frag:0
Tx excessive retries:17  Invalid misc:0   Missed beacon:11

 Although it says encryption key off, but I presume wpa_supplicant is
 handling that.

   ifconfig

 eth0  Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:12:CF:74:20:A8
inet addr:192.168.1.70  Bcast:192.168.1.255  Mask:255.255.255.0
UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
RX packets:1657 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
TX packets:832 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
RX bytes:725595 (708.5 KiB)  TX bytes:37892 (37.0 KiB)


 So its connected to my access point, and I turned off eth0, but I cannot
 ping the wireless, I'll work on that it may be routing or it may be
 encryption.

 Thanks all.




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Re: Fast questions (email, GPRS, WiFi...)

2008-07-24 Thread Peter Nijs
With udhcpc eth0 immediatly after ifup eth0 I seem to get an IP 
(reproducably!). I also did ifdown usb0 now before I did ifup eth0. I was 
planning to that _after_ I got an IP on eth0. Thanks for the help!

Peter Nijs

Op Thursday 24 July 2008 23:09:12 schreef Jim Morris:
 Make sure you do ifdown usb0 before ifup eth0

 Then if dhcp does not get a lease first time through (which for me is about
 50/50) then you can do this from the console which always gets the lease
 for me.

   udhcpc eth0

 After that wifi should work.

 Peter Nijs wrote:
  After a whole lot of tweaking I still cannot get an IP from my wireless
  router. My current setup looks like this:
 
  /etc/network/interfaces:---
  # /etc/network/interfaces -- configuration file for ifup(8), ifdown(8)
 
  # The loopback interface
  auto lo
  iface lo inet loopback
 
  # Wireless interfaces
  iface wlan0 inet dhcp
  wireless_mode managed
  wireless_essid any
  iface atml0 inet dhcp
 
  # Wired or wireless interfaces
  iface eth0 inet dhcp
 wpa-conf /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf
 
  iface eth1 inet dhcp
 
  # Ethernet/RNDIS gadget (g_ether)
  # ... or on host side, usbnet and random hwaddr
  auto usb0
  iface usb0 inet static
  address 192.168.0.202
  netmask 255.255.255.0
  network 192.168.0.0
  gateway 192.168.0.200
  up echo nameserver 192.168.0.200 /etc/resolv.conf
 
  # Bluetooth networking
  iface bnep0 inet dhcp
 
 
  /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant:--
  ctrl_interface=/var/run/wpa_supplicant
  ctrl_interface_group=0
  eapol_version=1
  ap_scan=1
  fast_reauth=0
 
  network={
   ssid=PN
   scan_ssid=1
   key_mgmt=NONE
   wep_tx_keyidx=0
 
   wep_key0=I'm not showing that!
   priority=8
  }
 
 
  Now here's what I do:
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# ifup eth0
  sed: unrecognized option `--quiet'
  BusyBox v1.11.1 (2008-07-18 00:49:01 CEST) multi-call binary
 
  Usage: sed [-efinr] pattern [files...]
 
  WPA: Configuring Interface
  ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODEEXT]: Operation not supported
  ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODEEXT]: Operation not supported
  ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODEEXT]: Operation not supported
  ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODEEXT]: Operation not supported
  udhcpc (v1.11.1) started
  run-parts: /etc/udhcpc.d/00avahi-autoipd exited with code 1
  Sending discover...
  Sending discover...
  Sending discover...
  No lease, failing
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# iwconfig
  lono wireless extensions.
 
  usb0  no wireless extensions.
 
  eth0  AR6000 802.11g  ESSID:PN
Mode:Managed  Frequency:2.462 GHz  Access Point:
  00:0E:2E:BA:1E:51 Bit Rate=36 Mb/s   Tx-Power=15 dBm   Sensitivity=0/3
Retry:on
Encryption key:897B-9067-4C99-1AC7-B433-AABB-01   Security
  mode:open Power Management:off
Link Quality:180/94  Signal level:-171 dBm  Noise level:-96 dBm
Rx invalid nwid:0  Rx invalid crypt:0  Rx invalid frag:0
Tx excessive retries:7  Invalid misc:0   Missed beacon:1
 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# ifconfig eth0
  eth0  Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:12:CF:8E:E6:8D
UP BROADCAST MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
RX packets:646 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
TX packets:419 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
RX bytes:278955 (272.4 KiB)  TX bytes:20950 (20.4 KiB)
 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~#
 
  While udhcpc is sending discovers I can see my router is leasing my neo a
  valid ip for 60 seconds each sending discover.
 
  Sometimes, in very rare cases I can get a decent lease. But that is not
  reproducible. I think it's happened three times to me the last three
  days.
 
  Anyone knows how I could get an IP reliably?
 
  Peter Nijs
 
  Op Sunday 13 July 2008 01:05:12 schreef Jim Morris:
  arne anka wrote:
  well, i did what
  http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_wlan
  says -- adding
 
  iface eth0 inet dhcp
  wpa-conf /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf
 
  Ok that worked, although I have some routing issues now. The manual
  method did not work though.
 
iwconfig
 
  eth0  AR6000 802.11g  ESSID:morrisnetwork2
 Mode:Managed  Frequency:2.422 GHz  Access Point:
  00:1D:5A:BB:FA:A9 Bit Rate=48 Mb/s   Tx-Power=16 dBm   Sensitivity=0/3
 Retry:on
 Encryption key:off
 Power Management:off
 Link Quality:207/94  Signal level:-144 dBm  Noise level:-96
  dBm Rx invalid nwid:0  Rx invalid crypt:0  Rx invalid frag:0 Tx
  excessive retries:17  Invalid misc:0   Missed beacon:11
 
  Although it says encryption key off, but I presume wpa_supplicant is
  handling that.
 
ifconfig
 
  eth0  Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:12:CF:74:20:A8
 inet addr:192.168.1.70  Bcast:192.168.1.255 
  Mask:255.255.255.0 UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
 RX packets:1657

Re: Delay is getting worse...

2008-06-20 Thread Peter Nijs
Done

https://admin-trac.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1422

Peter

Op Friday 20 June 2008 02:07:03 schreef Steven Kurylo:
 Here it is:
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 The message is recieved by openmoko at 20:54:07 +0200, but doesn't
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 You should file a bug report to ensure someone looks into it.

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Re: Why not use forum?

2008-06-19 Thread Peter Nijs
Op Thursday 19 June 2008 08:40:58 schreef Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller:
 Am 18.06.2008 um 21:08 schrieb Stroller:
  On 18 Jun 2008, at 12:45, Ewan Marshall wrote:
  ...
  Also how do you get unread message notification on forums?
  ... forums only do whole threads, not individual post in thread.
 
  I've started using a new forum recently, there being no mailing-lists
  I can find for this particular subject, and am reminded how damned
  irritating this is.

 Which forum software is there in use? There are differnt ones.

  The forum software shows which threads have new messages, but when I
  click on them I'm shown the whole page of upto 40 messages. I scroll
  through them and find something interesting, only to realise that I
  already read that message yesterday. I then have to scroll all the
  way to the bottom of the page to work out which messages within the
  thread are new. If the thread is a long one I have to then go to the
  next page  do the same thing again.
 
  This is the fundamental failing of forums, IMO, but the lack of

 Is the generalization to all fora software systems valid?

I know in phpBB there's a link to the messages from the specified thread you 
haven't read yet.


  automatic quoting is also a considerable hindrance. As the thread

 I know many fora which have automatic quoting.

  drifts away from the original topic you can't tell who is replying to
  whom. It is impossible to know what someone is referring to when they
  make a short post such as I have that one too, and it's great - is
  it the original device described in the message topic, or the
  alternative suggested by Dave a few posts in?

 That is the same with mails (IMHO even worse).

 My conclusion of all those discussions is:

   We need both in parallel.
   Each system has its benefits and let's decide
   users themselves.

 So please let this mailing list exist!

 And if (and only if) you are interested in a forum or someone asks you
 why not to use a forum,
 please refer to existing fora as e.g.:
   http://forums.makeopensource.com

   http://www.oesf.org/forum/index.php?showforum=161

   http://www.neo1973-germany.de (German)

 Please also note that fora become more valuable by heavy useage.

 Nikolaus




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Re: Delay is getting worse...

2008-06-19 Thread Peter Nijs
I received this mail around 22:40 UTC+1. (the time I downloaded my pop mail). 
I saw on the list archive someone asked for the headers, so here are they. I 
haven't gotten that mail already though. I have checked my mail every half 
hour this evening.

Peter

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It is 13:41 here in Mexico City, and the last
mail I got from the list arrived at 5:23, it is
from DR. H. Nikolaus Schaller. (Re: Why not use
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Op Thursday 19 June 2008 20:48:33 schreef Kosa:
 It is 13:41 here in Mexico City, and the last
 mail I got from the list arrived at 5:23, it is
 from DR. H. Nikolaus Schaller. (Re: Why not use
 forum)

 I check this box at leas once an hour and I can
 tell this is not good. I've been in this list for
 a while and I used to get the messages as soon as
 posted. Pleas, do somehing about it. Even my own
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Re: SV: delay in recieving mails

2008-06-16 Thread Peter Nijs
I've also got the delay. And I've only got the delay for this list. All other 
mails sent from anywhere in the world get to my mailbox immediatly.

Peter

Op Monday 16 June 2008 00:32:24 schreef Jörgen Lidholm:
 I get them very fast, my guess is it's probably something with your service
 provider.

 Regards,
   Jörgen

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  Till: community@lists.openmoko.org
  Ämne: delay in recieving mails
 
  i get every mail more or less 2h after it is sent (polling the account
  ist set to 15min), though the archive
  (http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-June/date.html)
  displays them much earlier.
  is this intended?
 
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Re: bluetooth proximity

2008-06-16 Thread Peter Nijs
One can also measure the signal strength. I don't know how accurate that is. 
KDE has a tool that locks the desktop if you (and your bluetooth phone 
ofcourse)  are to far away.

Peter

Op Monday 16 June 2008 15:59:45 schreef Alexey Feldgendler:
 On Mon, 16 Jun 2008 12:24:27 +0200, W. B. Kranendonk

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  I wondered, can two bluetooth devices ping each other and find out their
  distance or relative speeds?

 Not that I know of, but two cooperating Freerunners can exchange
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Re: Acceleration in our pockets

2008-06-13 Thread Peter Nijs
]
  
   Asunto: Re: Acceleration in our pockets
   Para: community@lists.openmoko.org
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   Fecha: jueves, 12 junio, 2008 2:37
   Am Do  12. Juni 2008 schrieb Peter
  
   Nijs:
Isn't the shared bus an
  
   advantage
  
 because now it

   can use DMA? Maybe that's
  
why
it is possible to hook up an
  
   sd-card to the
  
 glamo

   anyway. I see no other
  
explanation why one would put an
  
   sd
  
 cardreader in a

   graphics ship. Please
  
tell me if and why I'm wrong.
   
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   Good point. Would make perfect sense...
  
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Re: [OT] compiz and other unproductive candy

2008-06-12 Thread Peter Nijs
Op Thursday 12 June 2008 09:15:10 schreef Cedric Cellier:
 -[ Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 04:13:19PM +0100, Andy Powell ]

   And better yet for productivity, at least for a developper : do not use
   any workspace that require management. :-)
 
  Sorry, but that just doesn't make sense at all. If I'm doing web
  development I'll open multiple windows, a browser a couple of shells, if
  I'm doing c work I'll have a couple of shells, possibly glade running...
  these are all tools of the trade and compiz allows good clean management
  of those windows which can be spread over however many faces on your
  'cube' you decide to have.

 Stop kidding yourself. All these things are not computing but plain
 entertainment.

 Ken Thompson, who once punched the first Unix in a month, is believed to
 have said that one don't need to see the state of a file when editing
 it (refering to full screen editors).

 I don't mean that no graphics is usefull, but there sure is something
 rotten in here. That is entertainment that drives UI, not usefullness
 (except in some degree what comes from Apple).

 Friendly,

A little entertainment while working doesn't hurt me. Why do offices have 
pictures on the wall? They aren't necessary either, but they improve the 
atmosphere, and they improve the productivity. Why else would employers put 
these pictures there?

And is OM wants to sell phones to other people than Ken Tompson and other 
geeks, they will need a nice UI. I've seen a statement somewhere on the OM 
site that they hoped GTA2 would be bought by our parents... These are people 
who would happily invest some electricity in the rendering of a UI. So I 
think it's in everyones interest that OM is standard supplied with a nice UI. 
That would make the OM profitable and only than they will be able to make 
GTA3 to GTAxx. Geeks who don't need/want the nice UI can always switch it 
off. That's the beauty of Linux. Just press CTRL-AT-F1 and you're rid of 
KDE/GNOME/Fluxbox... I don't think it would be any harder on the OM.

Peter


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Re: Acceleration in our pockets

2008-06-12 Thread Peter Nijs
Op Tuesday 10 June 2008 10:11:23 schreef Andy Green:
 Somebody in the thread at some point said:
 | I have seen it this morning in the planet.openmoko.com,
 | http://unadventure.wordpress.com/2008/06/08/accelerating-in-my-pocket/
 |  Andrzej balrog-kun Zaborowski was able to use mplayer with glamo
 | hardware acceleration Not all is lost to have some decent(not
 | excelent but barelly usable is enough) video playback, or Rasterman
 | has bad news again? ;)
 |
 | Of course I understand than use sd-card as storage will be not an
 | option(shared bus issue) but a nfs mounted volume or a streaming mp4
 | source can be an option I guess

 Wah that was really good progress from Andrzej.

 I wouldn't give up on SD card as storage without trying it: if I
 understood what goes on then only the MP4 compressed stream is being
 sent to the Glamo by mplayer... I guess it means 100 - 200KBytes/sec
 which is way below the point we choke the Glamo memory bus.  So we
 should be able to be pulling 200 - 300KBytes/sec (including audio) at
 the same from from SD.

 The wildcard is what the MPEG decoder unit in the Glamo is doing from
 the inside in terms of hogging the internal memory.

 -Andy

Isn't the shared bus an advantage because now it can use DMA? Maybe that's why 
it is possible to hook up an sd-card to the glamo anyway. I see no other 
explanation why one would put an sd cardreader in a graphics ship. Please 
tell me if and why I'm wrong.

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Re: Free Runner price vs iphone 3G price

2008-06-11 Thread Peter Nijs
I pay my carrier €50 per year on avarage. And buying an OM will not increase 
that amount.

Peter

On Tuesday 10 June 2008 19:56:44 ian douglas write:
 Robert Taylor wrote:
  You pay through the nose for it because you HAVETO sign up for a 2 year
  contract minimum.

 Granted, the Apple and ATT partnership greatly subsidizes the cost,
 because of the $960 ($40/mo unlimited data plan for 2 yrs) to $2400
 ($100/mo unlimited voice/data for 2 yrs) that you'd spend with ATT also
 helps cover the hidden cost of the hardware.

 And while I personally don't care much for the iPhone, you also have to
 sign up for a voice/data plan to use the Freerunner... You're still
 paying the $960-$2400 over two years, but there's not offset of cost of
 the hardware to the consumer. The monthly fees you pay that doesn't pay
 for the actual use of the cell network is 100% profit to ATT instead of
 going to Apple to help pay for the hardware.

 Same with TMobile, and I imagine any other carrier who offsets the price
 of their phones to lock you into a contract.

 Just my $0.02.

 What you're paying the extra money for, for the Freerunner, is the
 freedom of doing whatever you want with your phone. Sure, the iPhone has
 their SDK released, but all applications still have to go through Apple
 to operate on your phone -- I don't know if the SDK even allows you to
 build an application just for your own iPhone to test it. Also, their
 mobile OS is closed source -- you have no access to hack or tweak it to
 do *exactly* what you want it to. You can't change the applications that
 come with the phone, you can't do a lot of things. Sure, they have lots
 of eye candy and some solid-looking applications, but once we as a
 community port applications to the Freerunner hardware to run on
 OpenMoko, we'll be leaps and bounds ahead of the iPhone software.

 That, to me, is worth the extra purchase price.

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Re: Free Runner price vs Meizu M8 price

2008-06-11 Thread Peter Nijs
U also have to know that running linux doesn't mean it's open. Some Telenet 
digiboxes (The onlything in Belgium that can receive the encrypted DBV-C) run 
Linux, but they are the most closed devices I've ever seen, and they also 
fail in what they are designed to do. I assume they where designed to receive 
DVB-C and not to empty peoples pockets, as how Telenet actually uses them. 
But that's another story.

 I don't know what the situation is with these iRivers and Meizus. A device 
doesn't get my attention by running Linux. It gets my attention by being 
open.

Peter

Op Wednesday 11 June 2008 00:58:01 schreef cdr:
 On Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 08:38:30PM +0200, Ortwin Regel wrote:
  There are cheaper contracts if you don't get a phone with them in
  Germany. No idea what the situation in the US is. (It's probably
  godawful... :-/) Personally, I use a prepaid SIM card so I pay no
  monthly fees at all. Much cheaper for me than any contract. So for me
  the price advantage over an iPhone is very real.

 although both vapor, iRiver and Meizu both have phones in the pipeline

 at least iRivers 'runs linux' as well.

 apple is nowhere near as cost competitive as either of them..

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Re: QVGA V/s VGA for GTA03 (was something about yummy CPU-GPU combos!)

2008-06-08 Thread Peter Nijs
Op Sunday 08 June 2008 14:25:35 schreef Carsten Haitzler:
 On Sun, 8 Jun 2008 09:02:03 +0200 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
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 babbled:
   but there is definitely a i want as insane a dpi as i can get
   group here.
   this is for sure. the question is - is it really the majority of
   users. :)
 
  Hm. You can't answer that before defining who the user is (choose
  between: me, you, this community, worldwide population)?
  Discussing the QVGA vs. VGA vs. new CPU question before answering the
  above question can't find an end...
 
  BTW: If we go to the level There appears to be a small 'i want as
  insane cheap display i can get' group here., this will become
  opinion bashing because it shows up different personal targets.
  Marketing science has invented the concept of target groups
  and plurality in product offerings to cover that problem. And the role
  of a Product Manager to balance and decide that (I have
  done such a job for 10 years).

 i am sure it has - but given that the target group is not well defined - i
 have yet to see a definition, nor see any research or statistics, nor
 anything else concrete - it is all conjecture.

 we could just not ever even ask you guys and you get what you are given.
 too bad. no input at all. i've opened up the floor for input - but i'm
 trying to dig specific things out of it - not things that smell ofi just
 want higher specs. or keeping up with the joneses. i want real use case
 scenarios that make real sense. :)

I think I've got a real use case scenario. I don't have extraordinarily 
eye-sight. In fact, with two eyes combined I've got just under 10/10 with 
quite strong glasses. (Not good enough to become a commercial pilot.)

I've don a little test with my current smartphone. It has a 2.8 inch qvga 
display. I've also searched for the smallest, comfortably readable printed 
text. I found it on the back of my first pda. It's the text tested to comply 
with. Than I've opened word mobile on my current smartphone and typed a 
little text. I made it as small as the printed text on the back of my oldest 
pda. The text in word wasn't readable anymore. It was reduced to a random 
bunch of black and white pixels.

Also watching pictures on the qvga screen isn't such a pleasure, but I've 
never had trouble watching movies. Another reason why I'm happy watching 
qvga movies is because they are much smaller for your phone's memory.

Conclusion: I'm certainly a big VGA proponent. Especially when browsing the 
internet and watching pictures.


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