Re: 16th community update released

[Piotr Duda]

[...]

> We will try to find out what people want. Anybody still downloading the 
> GTA01 images? 

yes, me. and there are others. do not forget about us.

regards and best wishes.

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Re: questions about our mailinglists

[Piotr Duda]

well, I have to say Im terrified... I was quite busy lately and have a week
vacation so in my _community_ message box there is almost ~1400 unread mails...
ufff...


Sean Moss-Pultz pisze:
[...]
>1) Combine 'openmoko-devel' and 'distro-devel' into one list -- called
>  'devel'.

no problems with that...

> 
>2) Remove 'device-owners'.


from the very beginnig I liked this division, the _device-owner_ list was 
naturally
focused on neo's usage and sharing knowledge and experiences while _community_ 
list
was more about community staff and literally about everything... so it was quite
convenient to me to be up to date with _device_owner_ list and catch up with
_community_ list when I have some more free time than usually...

 >
 >3) Remove 'hardware'.

is there any difference between removing _hardware_list and combining it with
new _devel_ list? I hope that U still want to keep being open with hardware too 
:-D

Im happy gta01 owner and IIRC where firsts neos started to arrive into peoples 
hand
the _device-owner_ list was getting a lot of mails... maybe when freerunners 
start
to arrive this list will be live and kicking once again?
maybe it is a matter of advertising that we have more list than one only - maybe
a lot of new community members are not aware of that?

:-)

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Re: comparing Apples and Oranges $199 iPhone Freerunner GTA02

[Piotr Duda]

Robin Paulson pisze:
[..]
> i remember reading somewhere that the iphone's os can't run multiple
> applications at once - sorry no source for this. did i get this right,
> if i did, that's a major bonus to om/freerunner?


i think iPhone OSX allows to run multiple application at once (native,
system apps)... this is the SDK that not allows to write multitasking
applications AFAIK...

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Re: Free Runner price vs iphone 3G price

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ian douglas pisze:
[...]
> For example, I pay $39.99/month for 450 daytime minutes and 5000 
> evening/weekend minutes every month. I pay an additional $39.99 per 
> month for an unlimited data plan. My total monthly cost is $79.98 plus 
> taxes and fees, so let's round it up to $90 per month. Over the course 
> of two years, my $90/month totals $2,160.
> 
[...]
I cant believe that there is no cheaper plans when you are not buying
any phone with it? is this really a case? if it is so, blame your
operator/us mobile market/god or all of them... here in old Europe you
can buy plans which are significantly cheaper where you not buying
a new phone with it...


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Re: Click Feedback?

[Piotr Duda]

so do I, but not on mine gta01...
please remember that this is touch only phone and these feedback sounds
are a must here...

Piotr

Alexander Köb pisze:
> hi Mickey,
> 
>   click sound is normally the first thing I deactivate when I get a new
> phone that uses this.
> 
> thanks for asking BTW.
> 
> have fun
> k.
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Re: QVGA V/s VGA for GTA03 (was something about yummy CPU-GPU combos!)

[Piotr Duda]

Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) pisze:
[...]

> 
> maybe it just needs people to actually use it for a while and they might begin
> to see that a lower res screen may just be fine and not as bad as they think.
> the things you want to do are possible at lower resolutions.


well, as for now I have only 15 minutes experience with QVGA, and I have
already get used to my beautiful gta01 screen, so the result of this quick
comparison is very easy to predict...

I have a question for people who are digital photography enthusiasts
(personally I prefer old/traditional/dying photography so I can not tell
myself)...
The neo screen, has almost 300dpi and AFAIK most photolabs are printing
photos in 300dpi. Could it be useful for you guys, for some kind of preview?
One can scale the photo to some target size and check some, most interesting
parts of this photo on neo screen as it would be almost as good as on
resulting print. I think one can see that this part is not sharp enough and
this detail is not big enough and so on... Is it realistic use case or am
I only in love with this resolution and desperately looking for arguments :)

I think most digital cameras have no such good resolutions on their LCDs
(but again, Im not up to date) with the exception of course of some very
high-end SLR cameras. With some big SD cart, neo could be even used as
some lifesaving photobank (I know - usb1.1, but if qvga _can_ be usable
with tiny font, the same aplies here ;D )...


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Re: Android on Freerunner ... Would it be possible ?

[Piotr Duda]

Mikko Rauhala pisze:
[...]

Being a VM platform that just happens to run Linux at the bottom,
probably their jitter will require some work in addition to simple
recompilation, but shouldn't be an unreasonable amount of work.



I think that it could be more work that it seems at first glance.
Yes, Android is VM platform and yes it runs linux at the bottom, but
AFAIK its native libs (libc for example) is not taken from gnu/linux
as they are.
I read that libc is BSD based and is tuned/modified/completely
rewritten (depending where you read it from) by google... what does
this mean, dont know now yet... I hope that it is not very different
from that what we know

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Re: 2.5mm or 3.5mm

[Piotr Duda]

2.5mm.  I'd rather be able to take any of my old phones headsets I have laying
around and use them for music and calling. ;)
And it saves place and is less prone to damage.

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Re: multi-tutch?

[Piotr Duda]

also they used to claim that windows is best operating system ever :-)
so be careful ;-)

Piotr

ramsesoriginal pisze:

More or less I knew that, but, as you can see in the video/read in the
news, microsoft stated tat the Windows 7 Multitouch works on "standard
touchscreens"..




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Re: Android (Re: Qtopia Vs. GTK or both?)

[Piotr Duda]

Arnout Engelen pisze:
[...]

Hmm, do you have any references to support that claim? That'd suck,
Dalvik looks pretty interesting (also for Openmoko).



IIRC, it was promised by Google to be open... Im not following Android very
carefully, so Im not up to date with this... maybe it is already open, or
maybe not yet... or maybe google will not keep promises and never opens it,
only time can tell...

And for those who claim that Android is 'java-based crap', I think it is
to early to say, because Android is not java based...
1. it uses java syntax (and java tools like compilers and IDE etc) but its
at the end compiled not to java bytecode but for new google's Dalvik
bytecode...
2. it does not also use SUN's SE libs but Android's own SE implementations
(well, not exactly Android's own, i think this is Apache Harmony)...
3. it runs on mentioned Google's own Dalvik Virtual Machine

you can use java standard edition to develop application for Android on your
PC, but you dont need any of sun's java on the mobile...

there is some kind of association: java + mobile = crap (it does not matter
is it right or not here) but I dont think this should be extended on Android...
at least not yet... we will see, if this is really promissing, where first
Android devices will arrive (or someone compiles Dalvik for Neo, when source
code will be available)...

Android can easily attract megazylion of world java developers, and lot of
code and application (written in java) can be very easily ported to Android...
there is even a tool to convert compiled to sun's bytecode java classes to
to Dalvik bytecode classes (.dex files? or sth like that) without need to have
source code nearby...

It would be great if I could run also Android from one of my SD cards :-)

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Re: Will GTK be used in Openmoko?

[Piotr Duda]

if this is a management decision, this means to me that this is a business
decision, so there is no place for community here IMHO, unless openmoko
wants to know community opinion...

all we can ask is to keep us updated with such important changes...


Marco Trevisan (Treviño) pisze:
[...]
I know and I appreciate it... I'd just like more if they would have a 
better communication with us and with 3rd party developers (anyway this 
is an old issue)!


Sometimes it seems we've just "rumors" like on closed companies!
I do love this project, I believe on it and I'll support with no 
hesitations, but I think that some things should be improved!




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Re: Will GTK be used in Openmoko?

[Piotr Duda]

Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) belkocze:
[...]

please READ THE EMAIL. suddenly the use of efl means "We are efl based". the
non-use of shipepd gtk apps means "we dont support gtk" and so on are all
bizarre views people hold and are espousing on these lists. they are not true.
we use EFL for certain apps and uses. 


I do not know details about what this certain apps are, but one can assume that
these would be apps I called "main" (dialer, phonebook etc.)... If thats not 
true
please tell me, I dont think that was said clearly on this ML... if it is true,
then we can argue what means "based on" but I cant see any reason to argue about
that... ;-)

it's good at certain things.

like I said, Im not trying to judge this...


to keep
supporting gtk and all other toolkits we have gone to effort to support it
under X11. we still use X - all toolkits still work.


Im very happy with that, even more that it seemed to me that some time ago it
was not supposed to be like that (I dont have time to dig ml archives to recall
if it was clearly stated by OM team, during gtk vs qt flamewar and its totally
unimportant now)


shachar *IS* asking for work. he's saying "use gtk! dont use efl! it doesnt
support hebrew and arabic and farsi... bidi". that means WORK for US. we nave
to re-implement from basics the things EFL then does for us already.  


I just said that I couldnt find where Shachar demands for support hebrew and
arabic and farsi from the OM team... Im not so close to OM development process
like you and dont know the status of the development when it was aimed on
gtk, so like many others in this community I can just assume something, for
example that a lot of work was put already there - and this could bring some
questions and some doubts and some disappointments (like Shachar's)...
also, i cant remember it was clearly announced (the move from gtk only to
efl and gtk and qt) its looks like it came to the surface itself, but still
one could feel surprised (like Michael Shiloh seemed to be ;-)

_I strongly believe that you know what you are doing, please dont assume that
you have to convince me to anything..._

Im not trying to continue this thread, Im not trying to start any flame wars
about one toolkit vs another... Im very sorry if it looked like this - it was
no my intention... :-)

peace...
Piotr


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Re: Will GTK be used in Openmoko?

[Piotr Duda]

maybe Im missing something but I couldnt find where Shachar demands from
openmoko to give him support for his language it looks like he is
disappointed with decision of moving from gtk to efl (just because the
first one has some ready to use tools to implement support for his
language)...
well, IIRC from the beginning openmoko was supposed to be based on gtk
(I can remember the flame war gtk vs qt some time ago) and I can imagine
that he could have found this project interesting just because of that...
and now, unexpectedly, we have such a big change... If Im right, I think
he has right to feel disappointed
I know that gtk will be there also, but main openmoko apps, the one which
will officially be supported, will be not based on it and this makes
a *big* difference...


Im definitively not in position to judge this decision now and this is not
my point... ;-P


good luck for OM team with bringing the first free phone to us, and good
luck for Shachar in his search for some alternative solutions...

Piotr


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Re: Alarmclock puzzle

[Piotr Duda]

with all these crazy ideas Im begining to think, that maybe OM alarm
clock should be pluginable... so everyone can use snooze plugin she/he
likes the most, and even change it from time to time to outsmart her/his
"sleep mode"... 8-)

Piotr

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Re: A few questions about the games

[Piotr Duda]

I've seen a game like this on someone's iPhone (well, some chinese iPhone 
clone)...
I must admit it was shocking realistic...

I saw once a game like this in real life with real marble but a little 
different...
because the maze was round and placed vertically, and attached to something in 
the
center and the goal was tu put the marble in the middle by cranking all the 
maze...

it was some educational toy in some store, but no kids was able to play when I 
was
around :-D

it is surely harder to implement, but maybe someone should give a try... ;-)

ian douglas pisze:
There's another real-world game involving getting a marble through a 
maze without dropping through holes by tilting the maze-board to get the 
marble to the end of the maze.


Sounds like it'd be a good game for accelerometers...

steve wrote:

make  pacman rip off using the acelleromters



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Re: Loosing your moko

[Piotr Duda]

Tim Newsom pisze:
[...]


On Wed, April 9, 2008 2:39 pm, Sebastian Billaudelle wrote:


Yes, i think a "normal" hijacker has no skills to flash the image -


But hijacker most probably will turn the Neo off once he gets it into
his dirty hands. Then he will sell it to some fence. And fence could
have skills like this or know some person who does if he is in trading
with "hot" mobiles.

[...]

 I don't know if it legal to track the
position of a person without his/her permission - even if he/she has
stolen my phone... 


If it is legal in your country to use some tracking system in cars
(both for stolen vehicles recovering or fleet car tracking) it is
probably also legal to use this kind of software in phone. Remember
that your intention is to track the device not the person who is,
illegally, in its possession.

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Re: FreeRunner delayed a further 6 months?!?!??

[Piotr Duda]

Mark pisze:
[...]

...in other words, it *is* intended strictly as a developer's plaything,
and you have no interest whatsoever in selling to consumers. Because
with these attitudes, even if you do eventually come out with a
consumer version, they won't be interested. This has been my point all
along: what is your goal? If you ever want to sell this thing to
consumers, you're going to have to aim in their direction, not strictly
at developers. If you think you can suddenly start wooing consumers
after all the development is done, you have a rude awakening ahead...



common... why cant U understand that aiming to consumer when hardware is NOT
ready & verified (not mentioning where is the software) is such stupid idea
like paring your nails with chain saw... maybe you achieve success, but for
sure, only once...
imagine some car manufacturer or any company in any industry selling cars or
anything without enough safety/reliability tests... this really have to be
avoided... believe me, U dont want to live in a world when something like that
is common... Ive been there, so U can believe me...

this is the place for developers and supporting community, neo is at THIS
STAGE and at THIS MOMENT also for developers and FOSS enthusiasts... it needs
TIME and lot of LOVE to become consumer device... and most of us hopes and
believes that it will be one day... for now Im sure that if somehow some
end-user gets here, he will quickly find out that it is not place for
her/him...  YET...

regards
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Re: Very basic and fundamental question about the Neo

[Piotr Duda]

[...]

Look at the answer from Mickey on the post with subject 'Neo faulty?'
from Jan, 1st.
It explains what you're looking for.


no, it doesn't. It only explains "power leaking when Neo is off" problem.
Nicolas is asking why the Neo sucks the power so fast when it is on.
Nicolas check this one out:
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_GTA01_Power_Management
The page is saying that the power management software is in very beginning
stage. Lets hope that this is only a software and no another hidden bug
in hardware.

regards,
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Re: /. : Feds Have Access To Cellphone Tracking On Request

[Piotr Duda]

Ian Darwin pisze:
[...]

> And you can power off any cell phone, [...]


This could not be enough. At the beginning of this list there was some 
discussion about a case
where feds recorded chats of some mafia guy with his own car's mobile, which 
was turned off.
IIRC that was possible because they remotely changed his phone firmware in the 
first place...


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Re: still having trouble getting Neo to boot Qtopia from SD

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Ortwin Regel pisze:
> I tried pretty much exactly the steps you described but I can't get
> booting from SD card to work, neither for Qtopia not for OpenMoko I
> must be missing something. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_from_SD
> seems to suggest that you need to use a specially prepared kernel. Is
> this so? Any ideas what else could be the problem? Unfortunately the Neo
> resets so fast when trying to boot from SD that I can't really read
> what's going on.
> 
> Ortwin

Have no idea, how to help you...
I have used kernel uImage-2.6.22.5-moko11-r2-fic-gta01.bin file, I have 
downloaded
from http://buildhost.openmoko.org/... so I didnt have to modify or/and compile
anything...

Piotr

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Re: still having trouble getting Neo to boot Qtopia from SD

[Piotr Duda]

well, it is very simple to make sound to work, I need to update kernel
modules for this... :-)

Piotr Duda pisze:
[...]
> Still
> don't have working sound in Qtopia and no time to play with it now. Please
> notice that I used kernel not from Qtopia site, but most recent I have
> downloaded for Openmoko.

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Re: still having trouble getting Neo to boot Qtopia from SD

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ian douglas pisze:
[...]
> So Piotr, could you maybe please post your bash_history for us to see
> what exactly you did, to get this going? I'd be happy to edit the wiki
> page for Qtopia on the Neo for booting from SD if I can just get this
> going -- but experimentation is just frustrating when others obviously
> have already tried Qtopia on the Neo.
> 
> Thanks,
> Ian

I have repeated all the steps once again, and below is everything I had to do
(as I wrote earlier, I didn't have to add uboot menu). I have verified that
both Qtopia from SDcard and Openmoko from nand memory are booting. Still
don't have working sound in Qtopia and no time to play with it now. Please
notice that I used kernel not from Qtopia site, but most recent I have
downloaded for Openmoko.

[root: ~] # modprobe mmc_block
[root: ~] # modprobe mmc_core
[root: ~] # modprobe sdhci
[root: ~] #
[root: ~] # ls -l /dev/mmcblk0*
brw-r- 1 root disk 252, 0 wrz 27 20:08 /dev/mmcblk0
brw-r- 1 root disk 252, 1 wrz 27 20:08 /dev/mmcblk0p1
[root: ~] #
[root: ~] #
[root: ~] #
[root: ~] # mkfs.ext3 /dev/mmcblk0p1
mke2fs 1.38 (30-Jun-2005)
Etykieta systemu plików=
Typ OS: Linux
Rozmiar bloku=1024 (log=0)
Rozmiar fragmentu=1024 (log=0)
123952 i-węzłów, 495460 bloków
24773 bloków (5.00%) zarezerwowanych dla superużytkownika
Pierwszy blok danych=1
Maksymalna liczba bloków systemu plików=67633152
61 grup bloków
8192 bloków w grupie, 8192 fragmentów w grupie
2032 i-węzłów w grupie
Kopie zapasowe superbloku zapisane w blokach:
8193, 24577, 40961, 57345, 73729, 204801, 221185, 401409

Zapis tablicy i-węzłów: zakończono
Tworzenie kroniki (8192 bloków): wykonano
Zapis superbloków i podsumowania systemu plików: wykonano

Ten system plików będzie automatycznie sprawdzany co każde 33 montowań
lub co 180 dni, zależnie co nastąpi pierwsze. Można to zmienić poprzez
tune2fs -c lub -i.
[root: ~] #
[root: ~] #
[root: ~] #
[root: ~] # mount /dev/mmcblk0p1 /media/card
[root: ~] #
[root: ~] #
[root: ~] #
[root: ~] # ls -l /media/card/
razem 12
drwx-- 2 root root 12288 wrz 27 20:17 lost+found
[root: ~] #
[root: ~] #
[root: ~] # tar -C /media/card/ -xzf 
Download/ficgta01-qtopia-developer-rootfs.tgz
[root: ~] #
[root: ~] #
[root: ~] #
[root: ~] #
[root: ~] #
[root: ~] # ls  /media/card/
bin  boot  dev  etc  home  lib  lost+found  media  mnt  opt  proc  sbin  sys  
tmp  usr  var
[root: ~] #
[root: ~] # ls  /media/card/boot/
zImage
[root: ~] #
[root: ~] #
[root: ~] # cp Download/uImage-2.6.22.5-moko11-r2-fic-gta01.bin 
/media/card/boot/
[root: ~] #
[root: ~] #
[root: ~] # cd /media/card/boot/
[root: /media/card/boot] # ls -l
razem 1608
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1637614 wrz 27 20:29 
uImage-2.6.22.5-moko11-r2-fic-gta01.bin
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root  22 wrz 27 20:27 zImage -> zImage-2.6.21.6-moko11
[root: /media/card/boot] # ln -s uImage-2.6.22.5-moko11-r2-fic-gta01.bin uImage
[root: /media/card/boot] #
[root: /media/card/boot] #
[root: /media/card/boot] #
[root: /media/card/boot] # ls -l
razem 1608
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root  39 wrz 27 20:30 uImage -> 
uImage-2.6.22.5-moko11-r2-fic-gta01.bin
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1637614 wrz 27 20:29 
uImage-2.6.22.5-moko11-r2-fic-gta01.bin
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root  22 wrz 27 20:27 zImage -> zImage-2.6.21.6-moko11
[root: /media/card/boot] #
[root: /media/card/boot] #
[root: /media/card/boot] #
[root: /media/card/boot] # cd
[root: ~] #
[root: ~] #
[root: ~] # umount /media/card
[root: ~] #
[root: ~] #

and that's it...
Piotr

P.S. sorry for output in polish, but it is nothing important... good luck

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Re: Is neo1973 dual boot possible?

[Piotr Duda]

I've just verified positively that it also works when I use
rootfs from qtopia-4.3.0-preview-neo-flash.tgz with the same kernel..
regards

Piotr Duda pisze:
> ok... I dig my bash history and I found out that I used rootfs from
> ficgta01-qtopia-developer-rootfs.tgz file... sorry for this mistake...
> 


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Re: Is neo1973 dual boot possible?

[Piotr Duda]

ok... I dig my bash history and I found out that I used rootfs from
ficgta01-qtopia-developer-rootfs.tgz file... sorry for this mistake...

but on second thought I had the same error when I used wrong kernel, so maybe
U should also try with another one first

regards...
Piotr

> This didn't work for me. I followed these exact steps, but when I tell
> uboot to boot from SD, I get a kernel panic. Here are the last few lines:
> 
> 
> Waiting 5sec before mounting root device...
> Root-NFS: No NFS server available, giving up.
> NFS: Unable to mount root fs via NFS, trying floppy.
> NFS: Cannot open root device "mmcblk0p1" or unknown-block(0,2)
> Please append a correct "root=" boot option
> Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on
> unknown-block(0,2)
> 
> 
> ... and have to remove the battery as even holding the power button in
> for a number of seconds won't power down the Neo.
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Re: Is neo1973 dual boot possible?

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Krzysztof Kajkowski pisze:
> Hi!
>
> Is it possible to have both Qtopia and OM environments on one phone?

I've done dual boot on my neo in following steps:

1. format my SD card with ext3 and mount it (on laptop)
2. unpacked rootfs from qtopia-4.3.0-preview-neo-flash.tgz to SD card
3. copied the uImage-2.6.22.5-moko11-r2-fic-gta01.bin kernel to the boot/
on SD card and rename it to uImage
4. umount and take out SD card from the laptop
5. I already have the 'Boot from SD' menu item in uboot menu, check out the wiki
here http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_from_SD#Step_3:_Add_uboot_boot_entry
if U dont have one
6. SD card goes into the Neo, then uboot, Boot from SD and here U are...

I have to admit qtopia is quite nice (sounds does not work for me right now and
Ive managed to hang it after first 10min of intense clicking;) but I vote for
the Openmoko, for the openness never seen before in mobiles, from the very 
begining
and not from the moment where competition arrives...
its only my opinion and I dont want to argue with anyone :-)
but I agree also that its all about having a choice so have fun... ;-D

Piotr



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Re: community Digest, Vol 36, Issue 45

[Piotr Duda]

well, I need some sleep... :-)
it should be:
http://openmoko.nemezis.eu/files/google4openmoko.xml

Piotr Duda pisze:
> sloppy but working... :)
> for firefox 2... save it to 
> ~/.mozilla/firefox/.default/searchplugins/ and restart firefox...
> 
> http://72.9.241.114/files/google4openmoko.xml


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Re: community Digest, Vol 36, Issue 45

[Piotr Duda]

sloppy but working... :)
for firefox 2... save it to 
~/.mozilla/firefox/.default/searchplugins/ and restart firefox...

http://72.9.241.114/files/google4openmoko.xml

Joe Pfeiffer pisze:
> Alessandro Iurlano writes:
>> If you want to search for information you can try my Google custom
>> search engine. It is available at
>> http://aiurlano.netsons.org/OpenMoko/
>>
>> It can search into the wiki, mailing lists and the other official
>> sites in a single query.
> 
> Nice!  Hmmm, if it were only available in the "search engine" box
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Re: Charging the NEO1973

[Piotr Duda]

You do not need to buy anything, the package should include USB charger:
(http://www.flickr.com/photos/hrwandil/413641858/in/photostream/)

Piotr

Tim Shannon pisze:
> According to the wiki, charging the battery is always done through the
> USB socket.  Does that mean that the NEO is only chargable from a
> computer, or is there a USB cord that plugs into a wall socket
> included.  I don't know about everyone else, but I want want to bring my
> NEO to places where I don't want to lug around a computer
> 
> I suppose the alternative is to buy a powered USB hug, and plug that
> into the wall, and the NEO into that.
> 
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Re: New wishlist item: Side-mounted touch strip sensor

[Piotr Duda]

well, i didn't like 'touch strip/pad' idea at first, but maybe it can be used 
for some kind of poor
multi-touch feature ;-) hold one finger in some point of the screen and slide 
with another finger on
touch strip and screen rotates/images zoom in/mp3 rewinds... a key for 
usability of this idea would
be a position of the touch strip on the Neo...
just a thought... :-)

P.

Joe Friedrichsen pisze:
[..]
> 
> Futuristic for some countries :-)
> 
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Re: FCC Approval

[Piotr Duda]

Sorry guys, but what do you want to certify? P1 device? P1+'s hardware is 
supposed to change and
P2's hardware is supposed to be the same like P1+, but what if not. I do not 
know certification
rules, I can only guess that it needs working device, isn't it? :-)

Piotr

Duncan Hudson napisał(a):
> Sean Moss-Pultz wrote:
[...]
>> The NEO will be FCC certified.
> I don't think that anyone is questioning whether or not it will be FCC
> certified - that's required, we all know that.  The question is, has the
> certification process even begun?
> 
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Re: First impressions of Neo1973

[Piotr Duda]

>From all phones I saw being sold in Europe (and few years ago in Asia) only 
>Motorola (and not in all
models) use the reject-on-left and answer-on-right style. Maybe Im mistaken but 
I always tought that
all others just do the oposite? Have no idea where did it come from, 
considering that first mobile
phones was made in Motorola as I believe, and others perhaps should follow. But 
since the most
phones use answer-on-left and reject-on-right style, it should be more 
intuitive for most users
(despite that as right-handed I prefer Motorola style).
Maybe in future someone will implement some configuration or maybe some 
different themes/skins will
be enough to choose which style is best for me. :-)

Piotr

Steven ** napisał(a):
> On 5/14/07, *Ole Tange* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > wrote:
> 
> So to me the following actions should be put on the left side:
> 
> left, undo, back, cancel, previous, no, reject-call
> 
> and these should be put on the right hand side:
> 
> right, apply, forward, OK, next, yes, answer-call, do-it 
> 
> 
> 
> I just want to point out that the Neo wouldn't be the only phone to put
> "answer-call" on the left and "reject-call/end" on the right.  I'm
> pretty sure every phone I've ever had did it that way as well. 
> Definitely the phone I have right now has it that way.  So, for
> consistency, it makes sense to leave it that way.
> 
> It also occurs to me that in an OK/Cancel dialog, OK is always on the
> left.  So again, consistency would suggest leaving it that way.
> 
> -Steven
> 
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Re: Wiki is open

[Piotr Duda]

and so bugzilla:
http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/

but I suppose that everybody knows that - it is working so slow ;-)

Tomasz Zielinski napisał(a):
> It looks like http://wiki.openmoko.org is open to public :-)
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Re: Speakerphone

[Piotr Duda]

Hi,

U can buy USB headset with microphone, I googled this:
http://www.abeier.com/product/headset/usb/usb.htm?gclid=CN_eoNSPhIoCFQaUXgodtl0dMQ
(or even some USB audio adapter like this 1 on the bottom of the page)... I hope
there are some more suitable for the mobile phone also ;-)

and U have BT headset for mobiles as well...

Robert Michel napisał(a):

[...]

> 
> Realy no chance for a mic/audio in jack?
> 
> Greetings
> rob
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