Where is Qtopia image on qtopia.net for GTA01
Hello All, I wanted to try out the Qtopia image provided by trolltech on my Neo1973, but the only image I could find was for the freerunner here http://www.qtopia.net/modules/mydownloads/index.php Can I use the same one? If not then can anyone point me to correct location. Also, is this qtopia image similar to the one here http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/neo1973/200807/20080708/Openmoko-openmoko-qtopia-x11-image-glibc-ipk-P1-Snapshot-20080708-om-gta01.rootfs.jffs2 Thanks for your time. -- Pranav ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Where is Qtopia image on qtopia.net for GTA01
On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 11:43 AM, Lorn Potter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pranav Desai wrote: Hello All, I wanted to try out the Qtopia image provided by trolltech on my Neo1973, but the only image I could find was for the freerunner here http://www.qtopia.net/modules/mydownloads/index.php Can I use the same one? If not then can anyone point me to correct location. I will put a new image up for the 1973 today. Great ! Thanks -- Pranav Also, is this qtopia image similar to the one here http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/neo1973/200807/20080708/Openmoko-openmoko-qtopia-x11-image-glibc-ipk-P1-Snapshot-20080708-om-gta01.rootfs.jffs2 Thats not Qtopia, thats ASU from Openmoko. -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, Trolltech, a Nokia company ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Packaging third-party applications (Was: Meta Toolchain Release (2008 May))
On 5/29/08, Rod Whitby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pranav Desai wrote: On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 5:49 PM, Rod Whitby [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The usual way is to add the package to OpenEmbedded, and then add it's name to the task-openmoko-feed.bb http://task-openmoko-feed.bb recipe so that it automatically gets built, packaged and deployed to the official download site. But wouldn't that mean writing a recipe for all packages that we want to add? That is correct. Many third party apps already have a makefile setup, why do you want to change that ? Writing a recipe does not involve changing the existing Makefile. If the existing Makefile is written properly, then the recipe should be about 5 lines long. But the major reason to do this is the one I gave below, which you didn't comment on. Security and trust of third-party apps should be a very significant consideration for the Openmoko community. Also, I am much more likely to trust a package recipe that I can build and install myself using OpenEmbedded (or download from an official site where the package has been built from source by a trusted autobuild system), rather than downloading some unknown, possibly virus-tainted binary package from some random site ... I agree with that issue, but that choice should be left to the user, if they don't feel comfortable downloading a binary pkg, they are more than welcome to get the src and build it themselves. My attempt is to make existing opensource apps available for Openmoko. If I have rewrite or wrap around the existing build process just to fit the OE model then it seems a bit discouraging. Maybe its trivial to include apps into OE, but currently it seems more than that to me. And especially, with the toolchain out, it seems even more easier to build apps as-is and just putting out the binaries for people to use. -- Pranav -- Rod ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Meta Toolchain Release (2008 May)
On 5/29/08, John Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 06:44:42PM -0700, Pranav Desai wrote: On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 9:34 PM, John Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: libjana isn't packaged in toolchain by default. the default compopents are: libmokogsmd2, mokoui2, mokopanelui2, mokojournal2 and dependencies. we cannot package everything or it's going to be a huge toolchain. however, there are 2 interesting aliases in environment-setup: I understand, and you don't have to include all the libraries, but atleast the prerequisite for building a standard openmoko app should be included. That is exactly the problem. You see, if we put april software update into consideration (these are standard openmoko apps as well), the prerequisite will not be small for a toolchain. I'm still thinking Not sure what you mean, is it that the dependencies for the April software are different and hence the toolchains needs both April and May libs ? I have just looked at one app (dialer), so you guys know the dependencies a lot better than I do and maybe they do make the toolchain too big, but just for the dialer the toolchain was pretty reasonable size. about this out of my personal interest. Regards, John ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Meta Toolchain Release (2008 May)
On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 9:34 PM, John Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, May 25, 2008 at 04:19:37PM -0700, Pranav Desai wrote: I am still having trouble building openmoko-dialer2 with the toolchain. I can build openmoko-sample2 just fine. The toolchain seems to be missing libpulse. Initially, om-conf openmok-dialer2 gave both libebook and libpulse as missing. I found that libebook is present in the toolchain, but was missing the .pc file. After adding that it went ahead and only complained about libpulse. So I started building pulseaudio-0.9.10 with the toolchain. After resolving some dependencies like liboil and libsndfile, I was able to build libpulse. But now I stuck at libjana. checking pkg-config is at least version 0.9.0... yes checking for DIALER... yes checking for JANA... configure: error: Package requirements (libjana libjana-ecal libjana-gtk) were not met: No package 'libjana' found No package 'libjana-ecal' found No package 'libjana-gtk' found Any ideas, suggestions or can anyone provide with the required libraries ? Thanks -- Pranav libjana isn't packaged in toolchain by default. the default compopents are: libmokogsmd2, mokoui2, mokopanelui2, mokojournal2 and dependencies. we cannot package everything or it's going to be a huge toolchain. however, there are 2 interesting aliases in environment-setup: I understand, and you don't have to include all the libraries, but atleast the prerequisite for building a standard openmoko app should be included. alias opkg='LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/local/openmoko/arm/lib /usr/local/openmoko/arm/bin/opkg-cl -f /usr/local/openmoko/arm/etc/opkg-sdk.conf -o /usr/local/openmoko/arm' alias opkg-target='LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/local/openmoko/arm/lib /usr/local/openmoko/arm/bin/opkg-cl -f /usr/local/openmoko/arm/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/etc/opkg.conf -o /usr/local/openmoko/arm/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi' which means by opkg-target we can add the packages we need into the toolchain directory. at the moment the content of /usr/local/openmoko/arm/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/etc/opkg.conf is incorrectly pointed to local directories in build host. if we replace it by the corresponding URIs such as http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/ http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/all http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/armv4t http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/neo1973 http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/om-gta01 then _theoretically_ we can just do opkg-target update opkg-target install libjana-dev I haven't tried this approach before because OE suits me just fine. however, for those who just want to make apps I think it's an right way to start. Regards, John ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Packaging third-party applications (Was: Meta Toolchain Release (2008 May))
On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 5:49 PM, Rod Whitby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pranav Desai wrote: But that brings another question (which probably needs another thread), where do we store/host the ported apps if we have some? * Can we put it somewhere on downloads.openmoko.org http://downloads.openmoko.org * Should we create another project on project.openmoko.org http://project.openmoko.org. * Or do we put the responsibility on whoever ported it, to host the app. The usual way is to add the package to OpenEmbedded, and then add it's name to the task-openmoko-feed.bb recipe so that it automatically gets built, packaged and deployed to the official download site. But wouldn't that mean writing a recipe for all packages that we want to add? Many third party apps already have a makefile setup, why do you want to change that ? Especially, if they can be build easily enough with the toolchain. Packaging and publishing random applications here, there and everywhere is just going to fragment the set of applications available to users. Thats not going to stop anyway, but if we have a central place where people can put their packages, maybe it can be reduced. Also, I am much more likely to trust a package recipe that I can build and install myself using OpenEmbedded (or download from an official site where the package has been built from source by a trusted autobuild system), rather than downloading some unknown, possibly virus-tainted binary package from some random site ... -- Rod ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Meta Toolchain Release (2008 May)
On 5/26/08, Andy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | No package 'libjana' found | No package 'libjana-ecal' found | No package 'libjana-gtk' found | | Any ideas, suggestions or can anyone provide with the required libraries ? Presumably the actual target libs you want are sitting there in the OM distribution packages, and the includes and other bits and bobs are likewise just sitting there in the -dev OM distribution packages. I was able to package a working toolchain (atleast it builds openmoko-dialer2) which includes the missing libs mentioned above and few others. As you said most of the libs were included the OM dist. What we need is to enable to install these into the toolchain somehow, rather than make that a special do it at the factory operation to get things into toolchain. Agreed, but till that time if anyone is interested in the toolchain I can put it up somewhere. -- Pranav - -Andy -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkg6gWsACgkQOjLpvpq7dMr71ACfWlivwGdXgp6Y+Pwd0lU3diSS 0NsAn1xKw6LKHlCRzqjn+8UxjCDMmaNp =UQXh -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Meta Toolchain Release (2008 May)
On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 1:00 AM, Andy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | On 5/26/08, Andy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Somebody in the thread at some point said: | | | No package 'libjana' found | | No package 'libjana-ecal' found | | No package 'libjana-gtk' found | | | | Any ideas, suggestions or can anyone provide with the required libraries ? | | Presumably the actual target libs you want are sitting there in the OM | distribution packages, and the includes and other bits and bobs are | likewise just sitting there in the -dev OM distribution packages. | | | I was able to package a working toolchain (atleast it builds | openmoko-dialer2) which includes the missing libs mentioned above and | few others. As you said most of the libs were included the OM dist. | | What we need is to enable to install these into the toolchain somehow, | rather than make that a special do it at the factory operation to get | things into toolchain. | | | Agreed, but till that time if anyone is interested in the toolchain I | can put it up somewhere. Hey good job Pranav. After 7 months of proposing this methodology I finally get a taker -- from outside OM. Maybe in another 7 months we can get a host-side opkg Hmm, so within OM you guys don't prefer/advise using pre-built toolchains? Any particular reason? For me, it seems too tedious to setup the OM dev env to build single app like the dialer or some other app like squid-cache. I think the toolchain is very useful, especially for small apps, test programs or even OM apps, which just needs a small personalized modification. Anyway, thats just my thought. But that brings another question (which probably needs another thread), where do we store/host the ported apps if we have some? * Can we put it somewhere on downloads.openmoko.org * Should we create another project on project.openmoko.org. * Or do we put the responsibility on whoever ported it, to host the app. -- Pranav or even unpack helper scripts as part of the toolchain so people can use it for building against their own packaged libs in a coherent way. - -Andy -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkg9EQ4ACgkQOjLpvpq7dMrX4wCfZ4XorL+QSzSO6yiXFmRqA9oX PfMAnAw2AsWMOHJogII3VFRFtfRw99bx =KutW -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Meta Toolchain Release (2008 May)
On Sat, May 24, 2008 at 7:53 AM, Julian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you friends, Right, We also found the problem after release. We should put pkg-config into meta-toolchain to solve it. John Lee is working this. :-) Cheers, -Julian Hi Friends, After John Lee's great working, I had upload the new meta-toolchain. And change the symbolic-link to refer the new one. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Toolchain Any comments are welcome :-) I am still having trouble building openmoko-dialer2 with the toolchain. I can build openmoko-sample2 just fine. The toolchain seems to be missing libpulse. Initially, om-conf openmok-dialer2 gave both libebook and libpulse as missing. I found that libebook is present in the toolchain, but was missing the .pc file. After adding that it went ahead and only complained about libpulse. So I started building pulseaudio-0.9.10 with the toolchain. After resolving some dependencies like liboil and libsndfile, I was able to build libpulse. But now I stuck at libjana. checking pkg-config is at least version 0.9.0... yes checking for DIALER... yes checking for JANA... configure: error: Package requirements (libjana libjana-ecal libjana-gtk) were not met: No package 'libjana' found No package 'libjana-ecal' found No package 'libjana-gtk' found Any ideas, suggestions or can anyone provide with the required libraries ? Thanks -- Pranav -Julian ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Meta Toolchain Release (2008 May)
On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 7:37 PM, Guillaume Chereau [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 2008-05-12 at 16:19 -0700, Pranav Desai wrote: On Sun, May 11, 2008 at 2:53 PM, Julian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, After fix some problems, I had put the newest meta toolchain to downloads.openmoko.org. If you are developing a single application, you can use meta-toolchain to build your onw application. I tried using this toolchain, but it fails with the following error on om-conf. The sample program works fine with the old toolchain. This is happening with the 32bit and 64bit versions of the new toolchain. Am I missing something here ? om-conf openmoko-sample2 configure: WARNING: In the future, Autoconf will not detect cross-tools whose name does not start with the host triplet. If you think this configuration is useful to you, please write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] checking pkg-config is at least version 0.9.0... yes checking for DEPENDENCIES... configure: error: Package requirements (libmokoui2 gconf-2.0) were not met: No package 'libmokoui2' found No package 'gconf-2.0' found Consider adjusting the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable if you installed software in a non-standard prefix. Alternatively, you may set the environment variables DEPENDENCIES_CFLAGS and DEPENDENCIES_LIBS to avoid the need to call pkg-config. See the pkg-config man page for more details. FATAL: oe_runconf failed Let me know if you need more information. -- Pranav please take a look of this Page. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Toolchain Best Regards, -Julian I had the same problem. I finally made it work by using the script : /usr/local/openmoko/arm/environment-setup instead of /usr/local/openmoko/arm/scripts/script-env Thanks! ... now it does configure, but does your make succeeds ? my make still fails with the following errors, so it seems like its still using the system files ... this is just the start of make error, but I think u get an idea. In file included from /usr/include/glib-2.0/glib/galloca.h:30, from /usr/include/glib-2.0/glib.h:30, from /usr/include/gtk-2.0/gdk/gdktypes.h:32, from /usr/include/gtk-2.0/gdk/gdkcolor.h:31, from /usr/include/gtk-2.0/gdk/gdkcairo.h:23, from /usr/include/gtk-2.0/gdk/gdk.h:30, from /usr/include/gtk-2.0/gtk/gtk.h:31, from sample-main.c:19: /usr/include/glib-2.0/glib/gtypes.h:30:24: error: glibconfig.h: No such file or directory In file included from /usr/include/glib-2.0/glib/galloca.h:30, from /usr/include/glib-2.0/glib.h:30, -- Pranav - Gui ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Meta Toolchain Release (2008 May)
On Sun, May 11, 2008 at 2:53 PM, Julian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, After fix some problems, I had put the newest meta toolchain to downloads.openmoko.org. If you are developing a single application, you can use meta-toolchain to build your onw application. I tried using this toolchain, but it fails with the following error on om-conf. The sample program works fine with the old toolchain. This is happening with the 32bit and 64bit versions of the new toolchain. Am I missing something here ? om-conf openmoko-sample2 configure: WARNING: In the future, Autoconf will not detect cross-tools whose name does not start with the host triplet. If you think this configuration is useful to you, please write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] checking pkg-config is at least version 0.9.0... yes checking for DEPENDENCIES... configure: error: Package requirements (libmokoui2 gconf-2.0) were not met: No package 'libmokoui2' found No package 'gconf-2.0' found Consider adjusting the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable if you installed software in a non-standard prefix. Alternatively, you may set the environment variables DEPENDENCIES_CFLAGS and DEPENDENCIES_LIBS to avoid the need to call pkg-config. See the pkg-config man page for more details. FATAL: oe_runconf failed Let me know if you need more information. -- Pranav please take a look of this Page. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Toolchain Best Regards, -Julian ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Meta Toolchain Release (2008 May)
On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 4:19 PM, Pranav Desai [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
On Sun, May 11, 2008 at 2:53 PM, Julian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi all,
After fix some problems, I had put the newest meta toolchain to
downloads.openmoko.org.
If you are developing a single application, you can use meta-toolchain
to build your onw application.
I tried using this toolchain, but it fails with the following error on
om-conf. The sample program works fine with the old toolchain. This is
happening with the 32bit and 64bit versions of the new toolchain. Am I
missing something here ?
om-conf openmoko-sample2
configure: WARNING: In the future, Autoconf will not detect cross-tools
whose name does not start with the host triplet. If you think this
configuration is useful to you, please write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
checking pkg-config is at least version 0.9.0... yes
checking for DEPENDENCIES... configure: error: Package requirements
(libmokoui2 gconf-2.0) were not met:
No package 'libmokoui2' found
No package 'gconf-2.0' found
Consider adjusting the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable if you
installed software in a non-standard prefix.
Alternatively, you may set the environment variables DEPENDENCIES_CFLAGS
and DEPENDENCIES_LIBS to avoid the need to call pkg-config.
See the pkg-config man page for more details.
FATAL: oe_runconf failed
Looks like the setup-env doesnt have the right paths set, it should be
.../usr/lib instead of .../lib
export
PKG_CONFIG_DIR=${OMTOOL_DIR}/arm/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/lib/pkgconfig
export
PKG_CONFIG_PATH=${OMTOOL_DIR}/arm/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/lib/pkgconfig
export LDFLAGS=-L${OMTOOL_DIR}/arm/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/lib
-Wl,-rpath-link,${OMTOOL_DIR}/arm/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/lib -Wl,-O1
Now it configures fine, but fails on make. Looks like the libmokoui2.pc file
is also not set correctly. The prefix is still referring to the system files
instead of the /usr/local/openmoko path ... the older toolchain has the
prefix correctly setup.
-- Pranav
Let me know if you need more information.
-- Pranav
please take a look of this Page.
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Toolchain
Best Regards,
-Julian
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Reading contacts from SIM address book
Hello, I am working on April 21 Snapshot. I am not able to see the SIM card contacts in my Contacts list. I believe there was a bug #1238 assigned and resolved for this issue. So am I missing some steps or should it have been an automatic process ? I haven't tried this in any previous images, so I don't know if this issue existed before the April 21 image. Thanks for your time. -- Pranav ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Neo to act as a bluetooth remote control?
On 10/17/07, Björn Martensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I'm sorry if this is somewhere in the wiki already, but i don't have an internet connection atm as i'm moving and can only send and receive some email once a day, so i'd like to ask this: Are there any plans to make the Neo a usable bluetooth remote control for a media center pc for example? As there aren't any restrictions to hardware buttons, you could really create some nice rc, imho. You might want to give this a try. http://projects.openmoko.org/projects/btremote/ Its still under development. I will try to clean it up a bit and post some screenshots maybe later this week. -- Pranav greets, Björn ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- -- http://pd.dnsalias.org ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Bi-weekly OpenMoko community update
On 10/14/07, Robin Paulson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 15/10/2007, Pranav Desai [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Absolutely agrree. GPS was one of my main points for buying the phone. I dont really care about the source for the driver as long as I can get the co-ordinates. hmm. this an open phone with open hardware and (where legal) open drivers. not having the source code to something would defeat the whole purpose of what sean et al are doing, and not attract any of the community that's here - the neo would be just another smartphone/pda and we'd be back to square one. so no, we do want and require the source code to everything Even I would love to get the source, but if not getting the src is causing the device to be non-functional, then I would prefer to get it without the source as long as I can get the device to work, since I have paid for it. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- -- http://pd.dnsalias.org ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Bi-weekly OpenMoko community update
On 10/13/07, Shawn Rutledge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/12/07, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We're very happy with the u-blox/Atmel ATR0635 GPS Receiver, and thus have made the decision to use this chip. That sounds like good news. It's not open-source but sounds like it should be easier to interface with. However, FIC still needs to get us the gllin binaries for our GTA01's! I hope this isn't being forgotten just because you chose a new chip. It was advertised as a GPS phone and that was probably a big factor for many of us to purchase it. Personally I was looking forward very much to having this working, and the last update I remember seeing was a couple months ago when Sean said the license would all be worked out in a few more days! What's up with that? How many hundreds of phones are sitting around with idle GPS chips, hampering the development because of this licensing red tape! It's ridiculous that it has taken this long. Absolutely agrree. GPS was one of my main points for buying the phone. I dont really care about the source for the driver as long as I can get the co-ordinates. -- Pranav If the chip co. wants to charge a small fee I'd even pay it. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- -- http://pd.dnsalias.org ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Charger for neo1973
Hello All, I found this charger mentioned on wired. http://www.inflightpower.com/ Do you think it can be used to charge the neo ? Thanks -- Pranav P.S. I found a mention on the community list that the phase0 phones shipped with a wall charger, is that true and if so then was it discontinued for phase 1 ? Here is the photo of it. http://www.flickr.com/photos/hrwandil/413641858/in/photostream/ -- http://pd.dnsalias.org ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Charger for neo1973
On 9/11/07, Steven ** [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/11/07, Pranav Desai [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello All, I found this charger mentioned on wired. http://www.inflightpower.com/ Do you think it can be used to charge the neo ? I'm not sure if your goal is to actually use it in-flight, or just to charge from a battery. If it's the latter, see: http://www.instructables.com/id/EGBQJPLCB2EP287KTZ/ http://www.instructables.com/id/E1QBI60DAJEQZJHW8Y/ http://www.target.com/gp/detail.html/sr=1-4/qid=1189541560/ref=sr_1_4/602-0392629-9428653?ie=UTF8asin=B000IOKLZM its just to charge from a battery ... but do these devices have enough power to fast charge the neo ? P.S. I found a mention on the community list that the phase0 phones shipped with a wall charger, is that true and if so then was it discontinued for phase 1 ? Here is the photo of it. http://www.flickr.com/photos/hrwandil/413641858/in/photostream/ I'm not sure if they come with it or not. But they can be had for pretty cheap. You'll find a lot targeted for the iPod, but you can probably find others that may be cheaper (like http://www.target.com/gp/detail.html/sr=1-3/qid=1189541560/ref=sr_1_3/602-0392629-9428653?ie=UTF8asin=B000HZV67Y). thats good info ! thanks! -Steven ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- -- http://pd.dnsalias.org ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 3G sim cards
On 7/29/07, Andy Poling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Many people (including I) have not been able to get the att 3g sim card (the one with the 3g fireball) working in our neos. The older cingular ones do work (they are 64K smart chip). I can make calls using the cingular 3G sim card. I dont know much about SIM cards/networks but it says 3G on it and its by cingular. Is there a way to confirm that its 3G ? I have two cingular 64K smart chip SIMs that won't work in the neo1973 (CME 10), but they both work in both my razr and sierra ac860 card. Both SIMs are about 9-10 months old now - maybe they changed a while back while keeping similar markings? On the back, one says 3G (with a tiny c after it) and has the numbers 64205G and 3020. The other also has 3G(c) and has 64205O (capital o) and 4020. I dug up an old SIM (also cingular) that does work (so I know the GSM chip and SIM socket aren't faulty), but that account is no longer active. -Andy ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- -- http://pd.dnsalias.org ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
ssh to a phone ... thats awesome !!
Hello All, I just got my Neo. Upgraded the kernel and rootfs and shortly I was ssh'ing in to a phone !! Now on to making a call :-) Enjoy! -- Pranav -- http://pd.dnsalias.org ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: voice command line (was: ssh to a phone ... thats awesome !!)
On 7/27/07, Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ssh is awesome, but in the future when your on the go it would be handy to have all the commands (shell commands, common keywords and programs in path) to be bindable to voice commands. Like voice dialing, but for a shell. I know full blown speech recognition is unlikely, but just commands seems doable. Does anyone have any experience with voice learning? Actually, I had used a tool called cvoicecontrol sometime back for exactly that, running scripts or cmds using voice. It wasnt very powerful in terms of how well it could recognize, but was functional enough. http://www.kiecza.net/daniel/linux/ What do you guys think? Mark On 7/27/07, Tim Shannon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We need video, or it didn't happing. Just kidding, though seriously, I want to see more video online of the NEO1973 and open moko in action. On 7/27/07, Pranav Desai [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello All, I just got my Neo. Upgraded the kernel and rootfs and shortly I was ssh'ing in to a phone !! Now on to making a call :-) Enjoy! -- Pranav -- http://pd.dnsalias.org ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- -- http://pd.dnsalias.org ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
PDA/portable keyboard that can be used with Neo1973
Hello All, Does anyone have any recommendations on keyboards that can be used with the Neo1973. bluetooth, USB, etc. I have seen some online, but most of them seems to be compatible with one or other type of PDA, so I am guessing a universal one would be better for Neo1973 .. Thanks -- Pranav -- http://pd.dnsalias.org ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Blank Page ... Was [Color choice, etc.]
On 7/8/07, Joe Pfeiffer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm one of the ones getting a blank page response -- checking the headers, I got an OK (200), but a 0-length message, back... even I am getting a blank page after entering the address and quantity info. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- -- http://pd.dnsalias.org ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Blank Page ... Was [Color choice, etc.]
On 7/8/07, Jae Stutzman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It seems that the state/province must be the 2 digit code...with all CAPS at least in US and Canada that seems to work, but I didnt get any choice of color ... ? On 7/8/07, Pranav Desai [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 7/8/07, Joe Pfeiffer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm one of the ones getting a blank page response -- checking the headers, I got an OK (200), but a 0-length message, back... even I am getting a blank page after entering the address and quantity info. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- -- http://pd.dnsalias.org ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- -- http://pd.dnsalias.org ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Color choice, etc.
On 7/8/07, andrej w. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Omg. I was so enthusiastic about ordering the neo, that I completely ignored those comment boxes. It would be great to get another chance to chose the prefered color. I don't want to end up with an orange neo inside a black toolbox. ;) Andrej Brad Pitcher schrieb: There is a comment box on the pages where you input your shipping address. I suggest you specify your choice there, although I suppose it's too late for you to exercise that option. I missed that option too ... can we specify it to someone now in order to get the correct color ... ? -- pranav On 7/8/07, *Emre Turkay* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I ordered one but later I realized that I didn't choose a color. And I see two different headsets, it didn't ask me about it either. Well, I guess the question is obvious. Is it just random, hehe? emre ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- -- http://pd.dnsalias.org ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New Oceans
On 6/30/07, Sean Moss-Pultz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 1, 2007, at 1:25 AM, Pranav Desai wrote: On 6/30/07, Gabriel Ambuehl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Saturday 30 June 2007 18:39:27 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: +1 to this unbundled approach. Also maybe add replacement touchscreen as this is probably #1 part most likely to get busted? Another vote for the unbundled approach. A number of us hardware types are discussing various gadgets that would hack into the neo for CPU and connectivity. A pity to waste a whole phone (and the $$s) if the case and screen is not needed. +1 for both. (I think I suggested that one months ago, already ;) Thats a great idea ! So if the boards are sold separately, then will it be possible to use the GTA02 board with the phone screen and case that we are getting in July. That would help someone like me who dont want to buy a complete new phone in October, but would certainly like the wifi in the GTAv02 board for much less than $450. hehe...well I didn't really think of it that way. But yes, that would be one possible upgrade plan. I don't think we plan on making changes to the tooling. That's _really_ expensive. So this should work. Let me double check on Monday. You just got to think outside the case !! ... :-)) I hope it works that way. Thanks -- Pranav -Sean -- -- http://pd.dnsalias.org ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New Oceans
On 6/30/07, Gabriel Ambuehl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Saturday 30 June 2007 18:39:27 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: +1 to this unbundled approach. Also maybe add replacement touchscreen as this is probably #1 part most likely to get busted? Another vote for the unbundled approach. A number of us hardware types are discussing various gadgets that would hack into the neo for CPU and connectivity. A pity to waste a whole phone (and the $$s) if the case and screen is not needed. +1 for both. (I think I suggested that one months ago, already ;) Thats a great idea ! So if the boards are sold separately, then will it be possible to use the GTA02 board with the phone screen and case that we are getting in July. That would help someone like me who dont want to buy a complete new phone in October, but would certainly like the wifi in the GTAv02 board for much less than $450. -- Pranav ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- -- http://pd.dnsalias.org ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Neologics
On 3/1/07, Sean Moss-Pultz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Community, For those of you who couldn't make it FOSDEM or Etel, I've posted our presentation here: http://www.openmoko.com/files/OpenMoko_Neologics.pdf Hello Sean, Thanks for the link. In the presentation its mentioned that the debug board will cost an additional $200. How important is the debug board for phase 1 phones ? Can we update the firmware drivers and put software, kernel, etc. on it without the board? For future versions of the phone (phase 2+), is this a necessary piece of hardware for any kind of development work ? Thanks -- Pranav Happy reading! -Sean ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- -- http://pd.dnsalias.org ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Warranty on phase 1 phones
Hey All, Is there any warranty on phase 1 phones ? If the screen is bad, some input ports don't work, etc. what will be the process then ? Thanks -- Pranav ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Hardware changes between phases ?
On 2/9/07, Sean Moss-Pultz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 2007-02-09 at 18:02 +, Ian Stirling wrote: Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: On Thu, 2007-02-08 at 12:06 -0800, Pranav Desai wrote: Are there going to hardware changes between Phase1 and Phase2 ... from this posting it sounds like that, just wanted to verify. Yes. Are we talking: Cosmetic changes - option of coloured covers, a 24K gold neckchain, ... Minor changes - limited power on the USB port, another couple of buttons, maybe an accelerometer chip jammed in somewhere. Major changes - entire new subsystems. Everything changes - it's a completely different phone, with some more features, and source only compatibility? I understand you may not be able to answer :) Counting the days. I'll be talking more about this stuff in the coming months. I just don't want to say anything at this point. But don't worry about being an early adopter. If we come out with something cool we'll make sure you guys can get it at a discount if you already have a developers version. Thats what I wanted to hear ... :-) -Sean -- -- http://pd.dnsalias.org ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Hardware changes between phases ?
Hello All, Are there going to hardware changes between Phase1 and Phase2 ... from this posting it sounds like that, just wanted to verify. http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/announce/2007-January/00.html 2007-03-11 Phase 1: Official Developer Launch We will sell the Neo1973 direct from openmoko.com for US$350 plus shipping. Sales and orders will be worldwide. We are specifically targeting open source community developers. 2007-09-11 Phase 2: Mass Market Sale Online sales will continue. We will also be available in a retail stores and selected carriers around the world. At this point, we hope your mom and dad will want to buy a Neo1973, too. The 2nd generation OpenMoko device will also be introduced at this time. We have something special in the works, but again, you will help shape this device. Thanks -- Pranav -- http://pd.dnsalias.org ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Developers phone also fit for early adopters?
On 1/25/07, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Marcel de Jong wrote: Hello all, I was wondering. I'm not a developer, at least not by profession; I do have a degree in it but my coding skills are very rusty, I'm a software tester (TMAP, but not yet certified). So I'm not really a developer, but I'd still like to get me a phone in March. (can't wait till November or what was it again) :) Will the developers phone be ready for usage for non-developers too? Absolutely not, sorry. This is really release early and often. It will definitely be too rough for non-developers -- that's why we are targetting September for mass market. What about the hardware, will that be the same for March and September ? or can that also change, due to some issue with the developer phones. I am not a developer in the embedded space, but I dont mind updating the phone with new software (kernel, apps, etc.), whenever one is released. And I am also fine with it not working sometimes, but it will be difficult to buy a new phone in September, coz some chip in the developer version doesnt work as expected. Thanks -- Pranav Regards, :M: -- Michael 'Mickey' Lauer | IT-Freelancer | http://www.vanille-media.de ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- -- http://pd.dnsalias.org ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Ready For Prime Time?
On 1/24/07, Dave Crossland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 24/01/07, Duncan Hudson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm starting to get excited about the phone, and I really don't want to see my hopes dashed. Has an FCC filing been made, is the phone ready to go? I believe so. From http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2007-January/001586.html : 2007-03-11 Phase 1: Official Developer Launch We will sell the Neo1973 direct from openmoko.com for US$350 plus shipping. Sales and orders will be worldwide. We are specifically targeting open source community developers. Does that mean that in the case of high demand or low supply (especially for the Phase 1) ... the members of this list have a higher priority :-) What about the multi-point touch screen? It's wonderful, but doesn't Apple have a patent on that? Kinda. http://hrmpf.com/wordpress/48/new-apple-patents/ http://hrmpf.com/wordpress/51/apple-multipoint-touchscreen/ Of particular interest to OpenMoko developers will be http://www.fingerworks.com/gesture_guide_mouse.html :-) Good background story at http://crunchgear.com/2007/01/15/multi-touch-technology-and-where-its-going-nextoh-and-apple-didnt-invent-it-either/ -- Regards, Dave ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- -- http://pd.dnsalias.org ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Idea: Use headphone output as a remote control (infrared: control TV, stereo, etc)
On 1/19/07, MartinG [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This might have been suggested before, if so - ignore it ;) The idea is simply to use the (stereo) mini jack sound output of the Neo to control two infrared leds, in order to control whatever device that can be controlled by a remote control. Why two leds and stereo? I guess this is required in order to reach the high frequency conventional remote controls use. Read more here: http://features.engadget.com/2004/07/27/how-to-turn-your-ipod-in-to-a-universal-infrared-remote-control/ that is cool !! I had heard of ppl using the treo 650 as remote with the addon IR transmitter, but this is much nicer ... It will be great if we can get something similar for the Neo1973. -- Pranav Does anyone know if this would be possible with the sound module in the Neo1973? Maybe an idea for the Neo extras store? best regards, looking forward to whatever-date-in-february -MartinG ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- -- http://pd.dnsalias.org ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Unpowered USB as a data drive?
Hello All, From some info on the list I gather that the SD card will have no more that 4GB, so will I be able to use a USB flash drive with 'X' GB storage for media files e.g. I am asking since I am not sure what implication does the Unpowered aspect have on USB devices. Related to media files, will the initial version have some media player (mplayer) on it, or is it upto the user to compile and use it. Thanks for your input. -- Pranav ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Few questions regarding phone
Hello All, I have been following the list and seem like a very interesting project and I very excited about getting this device. I do have a few questions: - Will this be a ready to use phone, out of the box ? as long as i have a sim card. - What is the final status on bluetooth. I have been reading that is there, not there ... - What does it mean to be open source, will I be able to write my own hello world ? Can run a bash shell and a ssh client? Will I be able to run some sort of mobile firefox? or does it already have some browser. - Will it have support for USB WiFi devices, since I assume there is no wifi in the initial version. Thanks -- Pranav ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
