Re: HP calculator on neo1973 - was: More HW from Openmoko
Indeed, very nice work. Please, do try to offer a bitbake recipe or standalone easy to use package. Btw, are there any licensing issues with this emulator? Rodolphe Le samedi 05 juillet 2008 à 15:12 +0200, Sander van Grieken a écrit : On Saturday 05 July 2008 09:34:55 Ken Young wrote: I've got the x48 HP 48 series calculator emulator running on my neo1973. It was very easy to port - I just had to re-arange the screen layout a bit to have it fit on a VGA window, and cross compile for the ARM CPU. A screen shot can be seen here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Image:HP48OnMoko.png If you want a copy of this program, email [EMAIL PROTECTED], and I'll mail it to you. Great work! Maybe you can mail the patch to the (devel) mailinglist, or even create a bitbake recipe. grtz, Sander ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: More HW from OpenMoko
Maybe you have to take into account the fact that computations could probably run for much longer on the 11/780 than what could be possible on a battery-powered FreeRunner. But well, as far as I remember, it was also pretty difficult to get the the Vax 11/780 into one's pocket. ;-) Rodolphe Le mardi 01 juillet 2008 à 16:20 -0400, Ken Young a écrit : Rodolphe Ortalo: Given the freerunner hw, you can certainly do much better than that! I would expect something like mathematica in your pocket... ;-) The neo1973 has ~8 times the floating point performance of a VAX 11/780 (double precision). The initial version of Mathematica was developed on a VAX 11/750 - the Freerunner should be about 20 times faster than that machine in floating point. It was also rare to run across an 11/750 with more than 4 MByte of RAM. Ken Young ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: More HW from OpenMoko
Probably not so much effort. But the real challenge imo is: - the UI and the communication between that UI and the backend (scientific-oriented) software - the wise specification of that backend (numerical vs. symbolic vs. both, reusing existing software vs. new thing, simple vs. complex) Personnally, I thought I would be targeting a brand new implementation of some scientific calculator targetted at second-grade students; but given the wonderful (and often much more ambitious) software already existing, I have been wondering for several months if that's not re-inventing the wheel (aka as a dead-end project). Rodolphe Le mardi 01 juillet 2008 à 22:28 +0200, Francesco Cat a écrit : How much would a Octave port take??? :) 2008/7/1 Ken Young [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Rodolphe Ortalo: Given the freerunner hw, you can certainly do much better than that! I would expect something like mathematica in your pocket... ;-) The neo1973 has ~8 times the floating point performance of a VAX 11/780 (double precision). The initial version of Mathematica was developed on a VAX 11/750 - the Freerunner should be about 20 times faster than that machine in floating point. It was also rare to run across an 11/750 with more than 4 MByte of RAM. Ken Young ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: More HW from OpenMoko
Thanks for the links. I agree the main challenge is the UI. I think there is another challenge in defining the limits of the target implementation and the (not-too-wrong) selection of the appropriate scientific software to reuse. There is plenty of existing implementations to get inspiration from for the UI (all the real scientific calculators everyone used during his own studies); but none of these had the computing power and available mathematical software that modern Unix systems can have readily available. Is it possible (realistic) to have an UI flexible enough to take advantage of all these opportunities? joke Ah, if only the Freerunner was a closed computing device with only one supplier of computational software... /joke Well, maybe we could ask to some real mathematician: do you think a student should have raw access to Matlab+Mathematica+Octave +any-other-thing-you-can-thinkof or should be given a more uniform shell for scientific computations (with its inherent limitations)? Professors would probably say: different software (for different students and different grades). But well, I would certainly try to avoid implementing several UIs... endless-dilemma Sadly, I am both an engineer and a teacher. Argh... /endless-dilemna Rodolphe Le mercredi 02 juillet 2008 à 12:41 +0200, Jose Manrique Lopez de la Fuente a écrit : That's the reason I was posting about XCAS[1], a Computer Algebra System that runs in ARM devices, and the main developer know about programming for restricted resources devices (calculators). The main challenge is the User Interface (hardware and software): - Hardware: keypad? - Software: It must be easy and fast for first time users There are many other options[2], [1] http://www-fourier.ujf-grenoble.fr/~parisse/giac.html [2] http://code.google.com/p/sympy/ 2008/7/1, steve [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Mathematica would be cool -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rodolphe Ortalo Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 10:16 AM To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: RE: More HW from OpenMoko Given the freerunner hw, you can certainly do much better than that! I would expect something like mathematica in your pocket... ;-) (In fact, you sort of have already the rpn calculator via dc.) Hey, that's what I wanted as a second project after doing the current simple calculator. But I was short of time for trying to do it (plus the fact that it is not easy do decide between doing something entirely new and porting an existing software). Rodolphe Le samedi 28 juin 2008 à 11:36 -0700, steve a écrit : RPN please. Actually it would be cool to do retro versions of the old HP prgrammable calcs ( 12 etc etc) Hehe, like donkey kong on the PC. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jose Manrique Lopez de la Fuente Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2008 8:39 AM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: More HW from OpenMoko Why not a powerful handeld graphic calculator? 2008/6/28, Al Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Saturday 28 June 2008, Robert Schuster wrote: Hi, Mickey writes: Openmoko is selling hardware products. Heck, why must OpenMoko only sell mobile phones? That's all they've sold direct so far, but it was said a long time ago that non-phone products may be in the pipeline I like Linux-based devices that are free as in freedom. So I would likely also buy a device from OpenMoko if it is a wireless router, a SOHO NAS (think NSLU2), a PDA or perhaps a gaming handheld. I would prefer Openmoko to fill holes where there aren't already free devices available. Most of the areas you mention already have hardware available that's as open as the Neo1973 and Freerunner: Routers - wireless or not: PC Engines ALIX series - http://www.pcengines.ch/ MicroTik RouterBOARDs - http://www.routerboard.com/comparison.html SOHO NAS: http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS5637467946.html Gaming handheld: Pandora Then there's the Neuros OSD which really needs a successor with a better output than composite video, but is otherwise rather nice. The PDA is one area there's a gap I would like filling. I want a modern incarnation of the Psion 5. I'll just have to see how the Freerunner plus a bluetooth keyboard do as a replacement. It might just be close enough... I would also like a less power-hungry version of the Chumby, available outside the US. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- J. Manrique López de la Fuente
RE: More HW from OpenMoko
Given the freerunner hw, you can certainly do much better than that! I would expect something like mathematica in your pocket... ;-) (In fact, you sort of have already the rpn calculator via dc.) Hey, that's what I wanted as a second project after doing the current simple calculator. But I was short of time for trying to do it (plus the fact that it is not easy do decide between doing something entirely new and porting an existing software). Rodolphe Le samedi 28 juin 2008 à 11:36 -0700, steve a écrit : RPN please. Actually it would be cool to do retro versions of the old HP prgrammable calcs ( 12 etc etc) Hehe, like donkey kong on the PC. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jose Manrique Lopez de la Fuente Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2008 8:39 AM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: More HW from OpenMoko Why not a powerful handeld graphic calculator? 2008/6/28, Al Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Saturday 28 June 2008, Robert Schuster wrote: Hi, Mickey writes: Openmoko is selling hardware products. Heck, why must OpenMoko only sell mobile phones? That's all they've sold direct so far, but it was said a long time ago that non-phone products may be in the pipeline I like Linux-based devices that are free as in freedom. So I would likely also buy a device from OpenMoko if it is a wireless router, a SOHO NAS (think NSLU2), a PDA or perhaps a gaming handheld. I would prefer Openmoko to fill holes where there aren't already free devices available. Most of the areas you mention already have hardware available that's as open as the Neo1973 and Freerunner: Routers - wireless or not: PC Engines ALIX series - http://www.pcengines.ch/ MicroTik RouterBOARDs - http://www.routerboard.com/comparison.html SOHO NAS: http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS5637467946.html Gaming handheld: Pandora Then there's the Neuros OSD which really needs a successor with a better output than composite video, but is otherwise rather nice. The PDA is one area there's a gap I would like filling. I want a modern incarnation of the Psion 5. I'll just have to see how the Freerunner plus a bluetooth keyboard do as a replacement. It might just be close enough... I would also like a less power-hungry version of the Chumby, available outside the US. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- J. Manrique López de la Fuente http://www.jsmanrique.es ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Acceleration in our pockets
Le vendredi 13 juin 2008 à 17:04 +0800, Carsten Haitzler a écrit : [...initial parts deleted for brevity...] no problems. what i don't want is people to get their hopes up. this was in the context of people asking if they can play vga video and me going good luck!. there is reality - and you can sit and hack away spend lots of time and get 1 case to work, and work well. as i said - it will depend on codec, bitrate, quality etc. mpeg4 decode in hw is great - but remember it is also limiting to just mp4 - all your mpeg1, ogg, etc. videos will not work. also as long as mplayer is accessing glamo hardware it must run as root. admittedly we run everything as root - but come the day when we don't... this is trouble. [...final parts deleted for brevity...] With the glamo hw you can do mpeg4 decoding acceleration but not mpeg1/2? Isn't mpeg4 in hw theoretically more difficult (from the raw computing point of view) than mpeg1/mpeg2 decoding? Just for curiosity of course. Anyway, out the video playback issue, I looked at some of this hw-specific code in the mplayer git branch or in Xglamo, it sounds pretty interesting. (I have played a lot with some graphic cards accel in the late 90s: Matrox or Cirrus Logic primarily.) 2D accel for example should really help the overall phone UI operation no? What is the overall objective on the Neo: have a glamo-specific X server using XAA and the like (hence an X driver), or implement most of the hw acceleration in the framebuffer device and use Xfbdev (hence a kernel driver), or something else (possibly more recent than my experience with this area ;-)? Rodolphe ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: atomic clock / radio-receiver chip
IHMO, Doris and Poséidon precision is also pretty astounding, albeit not so well-known ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DORIS_(geodesy) . Rodolphe Le dimanche 01 juin 2008 à 23:04 +0200, Philippe Guillebert a écrit : cdr wrote: the atomic clock(s) arent orbiting the earth, Hey, According to wikipedia ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GPS ), every GPS satellite carries an atomic clock, providing every receiver on earth with really precise clock. The radio clock systems you describe are different and kinda useless when you have GPS onboard. As an engineer I'm stunned by the level of performance achieved of the GPS system : the description of Einstein's relativity compensation on the WP article is really scary :) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Europe Distribution
Bonjour! Tiens tiens... voilà une adresse email qui me rappelle quelque chose; bien que je n'ai pas remis les pieds a l'école depuis un sacré bout de temps. (Ouf, déjà...!) Merci pour le lien vers le revendeur local en tout cas. Rodolphe Ortalo (1994) ;-) Le mercredi 21 mai 2008 à 08:53 +0200, Philippe Guillebert a écrit : Rodolphe Ortalo wrote: Then it is probably time to ask the question: from a european user perspective, will it be better to place (single-unit) orders directly at Openmoko via the website or go via Pulster (official distributor no?)? Hey, About distribution in Europe : Bearstech ( [French] http://bearstech.com/openmoko/register ) is a french company that seem to be wanting to distribute FreeRunner. But the page hasn't been updated for a while... Did they contact someone at Openmoko Inc ? Anybody heard of something ? Thanks ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Europe Distribution
Then it is probably time to ask the question: from a european user perspective, will it be better to place (single-unit) orders directly at Openmoko via the website or go via Pulster (official distributor no?)? Rodolphe Le mardi 20 mai 2008 à 13:48 -0700, steve a écrit : The phone is in production. The samples people are getting are production samples. The biggest hurdle now is getting the factory to let us open the floodgates. It's annoying but also utterly normal. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Al Johnson Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 3:58 PM To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Re: Europe Distribution One of the resellers in Germany appeared to be accepting orders last I looked, but production handsets aren't shipping yet. See Steve's post from this evening for an official update on timescales. Some key developers have recently received preproduction handsets, so someone may have mistaken this for them being on sale. On Monday 19 May 2008, Samuel Melrose wrote: Oh right, well thank you =]. You say selling, sorry to take your words so seriously... but are they already on sale? I've heard a few people say that they are on sale in the US, but I've seen nothing. Has anyone got anything on this please? I know its probably on the mailing list somewhere, just can't for the life of me find a definite answer. Thanks very much, Samuel Melrose [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 19 May 2008, at 17:50, enaut wrote: Samuel Melrose schrieb: Hey everyone, I noticed on the wiki that there was some discussion about a distribution center in Europe to make it easier for people over here to purchase Neo phones (well, I'm sure I remember reading it somewhere, unless it was a very weird dream, but nevermind =S). If I am correct, it said that it was looked into but came over as too expensive? Or not viable for the company? http://www.pr-inside.com/openmoko-signs-deal-with-german-distributor-r384 865.htm - thats pretty official I think :) plus there are multiple webstores selling the Freerunner. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: To everybody! Brenda -Full time editor on board
Welcome on board Brenda! Rodolphe ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Status of resellers (Was: GTA02 preorder please?)
Do you mean the office is at [1] (lat,lon)=(43.7,3.73); [2] (lat,lon)=(46.8,3.73) or [3] elsewhere. Note that, from my (possibly subjective) point of view, [1] is not eligible as south of France. [2] would be interesting for me. NB, I think I am at 43.594353,1.47967. I wonder if portable computing device with geolocalization devices would not be convenient sometimes to exchange such information? ;-)) Rodolphe Le jeudi 24 janvier 2008 à 02:06 +0100, Steven Le Roux a écrit : On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 20:54:08 +0100, Rodolphe Ortalo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Joseph, as a matter of fact, where exactly in the south of France? (The longitude should be okay for me too, but what about the lattitude? :-) Rodolphe Here it is : http://informationfreeway.org/?lat=46.80035049849701lon=3.7363181789030766zoom=6layers=B000F000F Look at 43.70 for example... Le mardi 22 janvier 2008 à 11:23 +, Joseph Reeves a écrit : Hi Gilles, I work for a UK based company with an office in the south of France. We plan to use the FreeRunner as a business tool are actively looking to become a reseller in the areas that we operate. Hopefully we'll be able to provide you with a phone at some point :) Thanks, Joseph On 22/01/2008, Gilles Casse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Michael, So direct pre-orders to OpenMoko.com are unlikely but in fact, I guess that some of us (in Europe for example) would prefer local resellers. Btw, what is the status of local resellers for France? Thank you Gilles ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Status of resellers (Was: GTA02 preorder please?)
Hello Joseph, as a matter of fact, where exactly in the south of France? (The longitude should be okay for me too, but what about the lattitude? :-) Rodolphe Le mardi 22 janvier 2008 à 11:23 +, Joseph Reeves a écrit : Hi Gilles, I work for a UK based company with an office in the south of France. We plan to use the FreeRunner as a business tool are actively looking to become a reseller in the areas that we operate. Hopefully we'll be able to provide you with a phone at some point :) Thanks, Joseph On 22/01/2008, Gilles Casse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Michael, So direct pre-orders to OpenMoko.com are unlikely but in fact, I guess that some of us (in Europe for example) would prefer local resellers. Btw, what is the status of local resellers for France? Thank you Gilles ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Please help me with the openmoko-devel-image build issue
Le mardi 18 décembre 2007 à 07:24 +0100, Pierre Hébert a écrit : On Sunday 16 December 2007, Xie Chaohong wrote: I'd like to know whether you can boot up the openmoko system or not, because according to your previous mail, you encountered the same issue as me but you didn't have time to build another one. After replacing dash with bash, it worked fine till the end (I started the build process from the beginning). After all I think that if you want to build openmoko apps for x86, the instructions at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_OpenMoko_working_on_host_with_Xoo are better suited for this purpose (faster and lighter). If you want to build on the host, you may also be interested in the patch I submitted under Bugzilla enhancement entry 543 which allows to build most of the tree more easily (you still have to find the dependencies on your distrib however). See: http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=543 (BTW maybe the patch is not valid for a recent SVN checkout, but I can provide a new one if needed). Rodolphe ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New future user :) of OpenMoko presentation
Le samedi 08 décembre 2007 à 13:57 +0100, François TOURDE a écrit : Hi .*, Bienvenue à bord! (== Welcome onboard!) I've subscribed announce, community, devel, apps. Thanks in advance for pointing me some MLs. framework-devel and gsm-devel are also interesting. Rodolphe ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GPS driver for GTA01 available
Hello, nice progress indeed. Just by curiosity, is it known if the power consumption of a GPS component (active) is important (wrt other components of the phone, like LCD screen, GSM, etc.) Rodolphe ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GPS driver for GTA01 available
Thanks! (Did not know that page.) Rodolphe Le vendredi 30 novembre 2007 à 10:14 +1300, Robin Paulson a écrit : On 30/11/2007, Rodolphe Ortalo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, nice progress indeed. Just by curiosity, is it known if the power consumption of a GPS component (active) is important (wrt other components of the phone, like LCD screen, GSM, etc.) http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_GTA01_Power_Management#Approximate_power_draw_of_various_subsystems ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Security in OpenMoko
Le samedi 06 octobre 2007 à 23:57 +0200, Torfinn Ingolfsen a écrit : Hello, On 10/6/07, Cailan Halliday [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey everybody, I just found this device: http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS4756295876.html I don't know anything about it really, but it's security related and This seems to be a HSM[1] device, it provides a hardware crypto accelerator and a secure key store. HSM's are commonly used on web and / or application servers for secure internet applications. And in PKI solutions. Useful if anybody comes up with application(s) that needs hardware-secured crypto keys on the mobile device. Hmmm. Might be useful in fact. I have always dreamed that I could use the smartcard in my phone to do some real authentication with a third party computer. However, the conventional SIM card is pretty much locked by the operator (and well, even if you can reasonably expect the phone itself to be unlocked, it becomes much more questionable to ask the operator to share the smart card capabilities too...). If another private smart card can fit in the micro sd slot, well, I find that it opens interesting opportunities, and the Neo itself would be a nice engine for trying to ensure compatibility with a non-smartcard aware environment... Well, just my 0.02, but thanks for the link. Rodolphe PS: One could imagine doing the same thing with keys directly stored on the Neo. I dreamed of this too, but well, that's not the same security level. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New TOP SECRET OM device??
Le lundi 08 octobre 2007 à 09:18 -0500, Jonathon Suggs a écrit : Rodolphe Ortalo wrote: Yes, that's pointless. Let's get back to more productive debates, like the respective merits of using emacs or vi for $your_favorite_task_here, or even maybe python or perl as a default scripting language for the Neo. Ok. Only real programmers use vi. Only real programmers use perl. Anything else and you are just kidding yourself. Well now thats done are you ready to go back to speculating? Hmmm. Does it mean that (all real programmers use vi and all real programmers use perl) or that (a programmer using vi is real and a programmer using perl is real) or that (a programmer not using vi or not using perl is virtual)? Am I ok wrt to speculations at least? (To be real or to be virtual? That is the question...) Rodolphe ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New TOP SECRET OM device??
Le vendredi 05 octobre 2007 à 11:35 -0700, Michael Shiloh a écrit : Ok, that does it. No more pictures for my presentations! From now on my presentation tool will be vi. Hmmm, I wonder if using emacs would not be a better idea for putting an end to all these speculations? [...] I know that to some extent the community tries to infer as much as possible out of every word we utter and picture we show because we have not been good at getting information to you. Again, my job is to improve this, and I really intend to make this better. Yes, that's pointless. Let's get back to more productive debates, like the respective merits of using emacs or vi for $your_favorite_task_here, or even maybe python or perl as a default scripting language for the Neo. :-)) Rodolphe ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: I got charged ;) -me too!
Le dimanche 22 juillet 2007 à 09:04 +0200, Martin Straub a écrit : [...] C'mon I am #3560 and 54 years old. Will I live to receive it ? I' afraid my last words will be: Did it arrive ? No ? Aargh. (dies). ;-) ? Martin Hmmm. That's the optimistic scenario. Imagine the worst case: Did it arrive ? Yes!?! Aargh. (dies anyway). ;-)) Rodolphe ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Shipping, Billing, etc
FYI, I am #2575 because I am generally a wise and patient man... (Grr!!! I made my order less than 24hours after the opening) Rodolphe Le jeudi 19 juillet 2007 à 22:13 +0200, Peter Trapp a écrit : YES_I_DID :) or better we = group purchasing :) From our side everything went fine (#1952 - also not that fare away from Jason (#1820) if this mean something at all). I'm just curios... Rodolphe Ortalo schrieb: Hmm, btw, I did not even get a YES_I_DO message personnally... has everyone on the list received one against their order? ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Shipping, Billing, etc
Le jeudi 19 juillet 2007 à 13:35 -0700, Daniel Robinson a écrit : My number was 3585. Does that mean there are 1747 nerds ahead of me? Hmm, possible. But maybe there are even more after you... Comforting no? ;-) ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Bonus Order
Le vendredi 20 juillet 2007 à 02:08 +0200, Esben Stien a écrit : Isn't there like a bonus order if you order 5 neos'?, for the whole family?;) Wow... A whole family of linux-based mobile phone _developers_? Happy man, indeed. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Marketing...
I am not even sure they need to know about Open if only they are aware
of the Moko.
Look at this other buzz word: Linux, MMme Dupond do not really
understand what it relates to. (Unix, free, freedom, even Mac
sometimes...;-)
_We_ need to know that it's actually Linux, or sometimes
{Free,Open,Net}BSD or X.org or GNU or etc.
I suspect we should only ask the average people to follow us [1], not to
understand the full software stack. That may even be beneficial in the
end.
Rodolphe
[1] Or possibly question the motivations of our participation more than
the various interpretations, a reaction that could prove even more
challenging if average Joe or Jane is really interested... ;-)
Le vendredi 20 juillet 2007 à 08:34 -0700, Ted Lemon a écrit :
People who are interested in marketing OpenMoko might want to read
this article:
http://www.treehugger.com/files/2007/07/
just_because_it_saves_the_world.php
It speaks to exactly the problem that we will have marketing
OpenMoko: how to get Joe and Jane Average to think of the Open in
OpenMoko as something they care about.
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Re: Shipping, Billing, etc
Le jeudi 19 juillet 2007 à 18:04 +0100, Ian Stirling a écrit : [...] At worst - if nobodies pressed the button, and the production time is 6 weeks, and this doesn't happen till they get the first batch out the door, we might be looking at the first days of November. [...] Sob. (Snif in original language.) Well, that's not such bad news if there are lots of orders... BOOUUUHH... Rodolphe I will really need to to write yet another toy app to wait until then, any ideas? ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Shipping, Billing, etc
Hmm, btw, I did not even get a YES_I_DO message personnally... has everyone on the list received one against their order? Rodolphe ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Reason for openmoko - bugsafe?
Le dimanche 15 juillet 2007 à 11:35 -0500, Simon a écrit : and the phone being able to be remotely turned on without the users knowledge, to act as a bug. Would that be some sort of manipulation of private property ? This notion of property of the phone could be manipulated too via properly arranged operators contracts that's not the main point. IMHO, the issue here is that it constitutes an invasion of your personal privacy which, if I am not mistaken, is related to a basic human right. Ref: (sorry, using a French source, but I guess you will recognize easily its origin) Art. XII de la Déclaration Universelle des Droits de l'Homme: Nul ne sera l'objet d'immixtions arbitraires dans sa vie privée, son domicile ou sa correspondance... (UNO, december 1948). IANAL etc. of course. And of course, I guess this basic right receive variable treatment in various countries. Rodolphe ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Reason for openmoko - bugsafe?
Le dimanche 15 juillet 2007 à 18:46 +0200, Fabien a écrit : [...] Finally, you can't do anything against geolocation either: your carrier needs to know where you are in order to route calls to you, so state agencies can retrieve that information directly from the carrier, whatever your phone is, as soon as it's on. Technically yes. However, legally, they cannot do this *arbitrarily*. (Please note that going further into a definition of what is or is not arbitrary will probably lead us off-topic... :-) Rodolphe ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Unable to place order right now
Is there a technical problem on the shop website or is it just world domination proceeding as usual? Rodolphe (not-so-late huh?) ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New Oceans
Le jeudi 28 juin 2007 à 05:31 +0800, Sean Moss-Pultz a écrit : Dear Community, Andre Gide once said, Man cannot discover new oceans unless he has the courage to lose sight of the shore. [...] OK, straight right into the sea then captain. From what I understood of 2nd officer Harald, that leads us right to the east it seems (from my point of view at least)... Well, anyway, it seems we'll need a new application for Phase-1: a compass. (Might be a little more tricky than the calculator...;-) Rodolphe ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: rough seas
Le jeudi 21 juin 2007 à 00:15 +0800, Sean Moss-Pultz a écrit : So please wish us luck. We're just about at the tipping point. At your orders, captain. Rodolphe ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: also people.openmoko.org Re: Wiki is open
Le mercredi 14 février 2007 à 18:14 +0100, Robert Michel a écrit : [...] What a pitty that it haven't be anounced at the 3GSM, but with a active community activity and feedback the public will notice it, at last the ICT people ;) And the technical details on the openmoko.org webserver is absolutly great stuff! sob It still times out from France too... /sob Rodolphe ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: planet.openmoko.org and openmoko-devel mailinglist
Le vendredi 26 janvier 2007 à 19:21 +0100, Harald Welte a écrit : Hi! It is my pleaasure to announce two new resources of the OpenMoko project: Thanks for taking the time to setup these two new resources. Rodolphe ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How to get involved (HELP!!!)
Le mercredi 24 janvier 2007 à 14:34 -0600, Jonathon Suggs a écrit : I'm a computer engineer and want to get involved. All I'm seeing coming across this mailing list is feature requests, basic inquiries, etc. Is there another list that is focused more on the development side of things? I expect a devel-oriented mailing list to be opened too soon. But before launch, I guess that FIC work forces are focussed on doing the launch. And that's probably appropriate. I'm a little lost on how this project is structured. Can someone please either respond back to this list or email me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] with more info. As someone else said, we've been asked to do some homework with the OpenEmbedded.org build system. Maybe that was just to reserve adequate space on the hard drive... (takes a lot!) Furthermore, xoo (http://projects.o-hand.com/xoo/) should be useful for application simulation (apparently, a full qemu-like emulation is not mandatory). I guess reading the documentation of bitbake and monotone might be useful too wrt openembedded, as well as studying some of the GPE suite applications. But well, maybe just wait until there's more information available concerning the openmoko-specific APIs. Rodolphe ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Next build env step (Was: Let us not forget to give every new one a *very* warm welcome - Let us write a welcome message to all new subscriber! How....)
Agreed. Also, it seems to me that we are starting to feel the need for a development-oriented mailing list. E.g., thanks to some previous messages on this list, I did my homework this week-end to setup an OpenEmbedded build environment and (probably) managed to build some targets (nano, gpe-today, gpe-image and the like); but I'd like some more advice if possible now: how to check that the binaries I built are somehow operational, at least on the building host, maybe on a hardware emulator? Etc., etc. That's not top-level development, but (IMHO of course) it would be nice to have such topics separated from more general ones. Rodolphe Le lundi 22 janvier 2007 à 13:02 +0100, Robert Michel a écrit : Salve Jose and all new or old subscriber of this list! [...] One welcome message, written by us - maybe as webpage on openmoko.org and/or welcome mail for all new subscriber of the list would be a good thing - IMHO. [...] ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenMoko development environment (was: Re: Built in PIM app source?)
Is there a usable emulator for the environment too? Btw, once the openmoko-specific source code is available, how will it be available (as an extension of openembedded?)? Are there any details somewhere on how we will be supposed to start developping new applications and test them (in an emulator for convenience if possible)? Sorry if some of these questions look simplistic for an experienced mobile phone developper... (I am not one evidently.) Rodolphe Le vendredi 19 janvier 2007 à 12:55 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : On Thu, 18 Jan 2007, Koen Kooi wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Mark McClellan schreef: Thanks Koen, I'll start looking at the backend. Of course my next question will be, how do I setup a dev environmnet for openmoko? But i'll wait on that one since it's been asked 100 times so far on the list :) Follow the instructions on http://openembedded.org, MACHINE=ep93xx, DISTRO=generic should build compatible binaries. Developers: you have the chance get used to the build system *right now*, so use it. Excellent! Thanks Koen. This will be my project for the weekend. My first Neo 1973 app! Michael ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Fun with Stolen/Lost Phones..
Save some power of the battery for normal usage please! :-) Rodolphe ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Fun with Stolen/Lost Phones..
Le mardi 12 décembre 2006 à 20:41 +0100, Robert Michel a écrit :
Salve Rodolphe!
On Tue, 12 Dec 2006, Rodolphe Ortalo wrote:
Save some power of the battery for normal usage please!
:-) Rodolphe
The Stolen/Lost modus would be only activated optional,
so in normal usage it would not cost battery. ;)
Well, so, on behalf of the legitimate user activation, let's get even
more efficient. IMHO, a direct message to the thief could be sufficient.
You know, something like: This phone is a Neo1973 and as such is under
the protection of the world wide open-source hackers community. Please,
from now on, stop smoking, drop all weapons, and handle this device
*especially* carefully. Then, head {north,east,west,south} on this
street, take the second on your left and enter the {police
station,jail,tribunal,military installation} to confess your offence.
Immediate conformance to these instructions is expected before
appropriate retaliation is launched. (Appropriate countdown
starting...)
Thought to something even simpler before the countdown: Resistance is
futile. but maybe thieves need detailed explanations? (Plus, we should
*really* try to show off with the AGPS chipset.)
;-)
Rod
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Security/voicemail idea
Hello everyone, while reading various posts, I remembered a presentation I attended once on a different topic (security management) that included an interesting idea for (mobile phone incoming calls) access control. It seems related to some ideas already raised on this list with respect to automatic answering. You will find the reference here: http://www.laas.fr/~esorics/notices/Rannenberg2000.html I dunno if the full paper is available somewhere. However, I remember the author saying that his specific audience (primarily in the health care sector: praticians, doctors, etc.) became addicted to his addons pretty fast. Rodolphe PS: After looking for a while, I found a ref to the full paper here: http://www.wiiw.de/publikationen/MultilateralSecurityAconcepta433.pdf PPS: The author is apparently working now for http://www.whatismobile.de/; (!). ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/community
