Re: openmoko fans web site
My guess is that it's not up yet; he's yet to create it, and asking for our input as to what it should have. On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 9:03 AM, Mo Abrahams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: not working for me either... slashdotted? On Thu, 2008-05-08 at 08:53 -0500, Kosa wrote: not working... Kosa - Un mundo mejor es posible - luther escribió: all, we are prepare create the openmoko fans site, if anyone interest it ,or any ideal please tell me! the doman name is www.openmokofans.com Luther ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Software
Perhaps phone-cron needs to be written, to take anacron to the level of
task flexibility required for modern cell phones. Cron and anacron are
crusty old beasts - we need something fresh and sharp.
On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 6:42 PM, Bastian Muck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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Anachron can unfortunately run tasks once a day, which you can read at the
Drawback. I guess that tasks, with a remember-funktions canot really be
realized with anachron.
I don't know if there is a timer, which can send an wakeup-interupt, but
when it exists the next upcoming task could be searched an the time could be
passed to the timer. Does anybody knows of such timer?
If not i think it should be integrated in gta03.
Greetings Bastian
Torfinn Ingolfsen schrieb:
| Hi,
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| On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 9:26 AM, Mike Baroukh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
| About this, I was wondering if there was possibility to have cron like
| tasks even if the phone is suspended ?
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| You could always run something like anacron{1] on the phone. As long
| as yoy don't keep you phone suspended for a day or more that would
| work. :-)
|
| References:
| 1) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anacron
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Re: Group Sales Page
The page is still giving a 404 to me. On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 9:02 AM, Dirk Deimeke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, But for me, that link is 404 Not Found. The wiki seems to be down. Brenda mentioned in another thread that the wiki was being upgraded. I'm guessing that is in process and is the reason I can't access it. I was do to make a search and to find the link ... so upgrading should be finished, shouldn't it? Dirk ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: youtube freerunner vid is up
She says it's going to be thinner and then you hear faintly in the background somebody says No, it's not. On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 8:55 AM, Alexey Feldgendler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 14:39:07 +0200, steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U05kZfURPig Why do they say that they don't know what the final product will look like, but it's going to be thinner? Where did they get this from? -- Alexey Feldgendler [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ICQ: 115226275] http://feldgendler.livejournal.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Engineering Driven vs. Community Driven (was Re: Ugliness)
I never said anything about a conspiracy - I just thought I'd point out that it strikes me as strange to respond to somebody's call to open up a process and involve the community by asking that person to make their communications private! So according to you, it should not be possible to talk with people outside the mailing list? I did not say anything quite so bold, and you've completely missed my meaning. Please go back and read the thread again - my comment is purely a reaction the circumstances under which the request for secrecy arrived. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Engineering Driven vs. Community Driven (was Re: Ugliness)
Thanks for the response and clarification, steve. -Ryan On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 7:35 PM, steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Very simply If at this point in the delivery of freerunner I have to answer every posting about the next product, then the current product will not ship and the next will not ship. So I'm trying to structure a public dialog on the future product, in the future. On the other hand, I could of course stop everything I am doing on shipping freerunner and have nice long debates with everybody about what we should ship a year from now. Not going to do it So, I wanted to explain to him, I'm not ignoring his questions and explain a bit of the marketing background, basically personal stuff like what his experiences were and what my history was so we could communicate better. I don't like to thump my chest in public so I thought it better to share with him in private. Sorry that you took it the way you did. -- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Ryan Prior *Sent:* Sunday, April 27, 2008 4:46 PM *To:* List for Openmoko community discussion *Subject:* Re: Engineering Driven vs. Community Driven (was Re: Ugliness) A synopsis: Lowell: Let's make this project community-driven. Steve: Please talk to me about it privately. WTF? On Sun, Apr 27, 2008 at 2:48 PM, steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lowell, You can send me a personal mail and I will address your concerns. You are a valuable asset in the community and I value your opinion. Then you can feed that back to people, agreeing or disagreeing as you see fit. I'd rather take this offline with you, since the main focus here and now is how to get the product that is actually built into people's hands. -- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Lowell Higley *Sent:* Sunday, April 27, 2008 10:16 AM *To:* List for Openmoko community discussion *Subject:* Engineering Driven vs. Community Driven (was Re: Ugliness) On Sat, Apr 26, 2008 at 11:20 AM, Lowell Higley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Apr 26, 2008 at 5:58 AM, Stroller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So please don't be offended but saying I don't like it and neither do my friends is totally irrelevant - come back when you've interviewed a hundred different people and they've scored the Freerunner (alongside several other phones) in a range of 1 - 10 on size, colour, design attractiveness, comfort-to-hold and so on. You need to establish with each respondent why they chose their last phone - was price a factor? features? You can probably rule out everyone who got their phone free from their mobile supplier, because the Freerunner's market is those who are prepared to pay a premium for the features they want in a phone. Now interview another 100 people, those who are prepared to pay a premium for the features they want in a smart- or business-phone - do they find the Freerunner attractive or ugly? Do they care? I'm not sure if I agree or disagree with you so I'll just dump my thoughts and you decide.. I have spent the majority of my adult life in hi-tech, and much of that in product marketing. My specialty has been taking engineering driven projects and turning them into actual market driven products. I have come into multi-million dollar projects and bet the engineering team a month's salary that they would sell less than x products. Why? Because they had NO clue what the customers wanted. They just built what THEY wanted. Each time I made that bet, I won. No, I never collected the money but my point was made. When I see a product I like and it doesn't seem to have marketing polish I do a little informal research. I ask various people what they think. These people aren't my friends. Ok, some of them are but not many. No, it isn't a full focus group but I have learned over the years as a professional marketer than I can get a pretty good idea of how a product would sell based on the feedback I get from my little research projects. Just informal chats with people on their likes and dislikes. There was a statement someone made earlier about us techie types forcing complex phones with unwanted features down people's throats. VERY true statement. Unfortunately, the FreeRunner Consumer Edition will have to fight products like the iPhone head to head. Consumers see the bling of the iPhone and have very high expectations, all based on cosmetcis and the wow factor. To make matters even worse, if you can't get the FCE (FreeRunner Consumer Edition) into the phone shops (Orange, TMobile, etc.) it will never sell big numbers. In Europe I think there is a better chance of that happening. In the US, the carriers LOVE their closed, crippled phones. The deck is stacked against Openmoko ever making inroads as a major Treo, Blackberry or iPhone
Re: Engineering Driven vs. Community Driven (was Re: Ugliness)
A synopsis: Lowell: Let's make this project community-driven. Steve: Please talk to me about it privately. WTF? On Sun, Apr 27, 2008 at 2:48 PM, steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lowell, You can send me a personal mail and I will address your concerns. You are a valuable asset in the community and I value your opinion. Then you can feed that back to people, agreeing or disagreeing as you see fit. I'd rather take this offline with you, since the main focus here and now is how to get the product that is actually built into people's hands. -- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Lowell Higley *Sent:* Sunday, April 27, 2008 10:16 AM *To:* List for Openmoko community discussion *Subject:* Engineering Driven vs. Community Driven (was Re: Ugliness) On Sat, Apr 26, 2008 at 11:20 AM, Lowell Higley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Apr 26, 2008 at 5:58 AM, Stroller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So please don't be offended but saying I don't like it and neither do my friends is totally irrelevant - come back when you've interviewed a hundred different people and they've scored the Freerunner (alongside several other phones) in a range of 1 - 10 on size, colour, design attractiveness, comfort-to-hold and so on. You need to establish with each respondent why they chose their last phone - was price a factor? features? You can probably rule out everyone who got their phone free from their mobile supplier, because the Freerunner's market is those who are prepared to pay a premium for the features they want in a phone. Now interview another 100 people, those who are prepared to pay a premium for the features they want in a smart- or business-phone - do they find the Freerunner attractive or ugly? Do they care? I'm not sure if I agree or disagree with you so I'll just dump my thoughts and you decide.. I have spent the majority of my adult life in hi-tech, and much of that in product marketing. My specialty has been taking engineering driven projects and turning them into actual market driven products. I have come into multi-million dollar projects and bet the engineering team a month's salary that they would sell less than x products. Why? Because they had NO clue what the customers wanted. They just built what THEY wanted. Each time I made that bet, I won. No, I never collected the money but my point was made. When I see a product I like and it doesn't seem to have marketing polish I do a little informal research. I ask various people what they think. These people aren't my friends. Ok, some of them are but not many. No, it isn't a full focus group but I have learned over the years as a professional marketer than I can get a pretty good idea of how a product would sell based on the feedback I get from my little research projects. Just informal chats with people on their likes and dislikes. There was a statement someone made earlier about us techie types forcing complex phones with unwanted features down people's throats. VERY true statement. Unfortunately, the FreeRunner Consumer Edition will have to fight products like the iPhone head to head. Consumers see the bling of the iPhone and have very high expectations, all based on cosmetcis and the wow factor. To make matters even worse, if you can't get the FCE (FreeRunner Consumer Edition) into the phone shops (Orange, TMobile, etc.) it will never sell big numbers. In Europe I think there is a better chance of that happening. In the US, the carriers LOVE their closed, crippled phones. The deck is stacked against Openmoko ever making inroads as a major Treo, Blackberry or iPhone alternative. Maybe this niche market it perfect for them? To me, FreeRunner has the smell of being an engineering driven project. Shawn has put a lot of effort in making it marketing driven but I don't see the conclusive results. (Forgive me Shawn) I do acknowledge at this point that we are NOT targeting consumers. That's ok. But if we all want this product to REALLY succeed, we have to at some point. Who knows, perhaps Shawn has a business case that involves just the niche market of hobbiests and developers such as ourselves. At one point I asked on this list how the design was derived. I received no response from the core team but did get a heresay response that a company approached FIC to make a prototype, which they did. That company then decided not to go forward, Shawn got a hold of the prototype and Openmoko was born. If that story is true, I don't see any overt marketing involved there on FIC's part. Marketing is much more than holding focus groups and creating sales copy. There is competitive analysis, business cases, marketing requirements, negotiating with engineering over the final product, schedule.. and the list goes on. My point is, as I look at things and put the picture together, I see no
Re: Engineering Driven vs. Community Driven (was Re: Ugliness)
The community list is for getting phones into peoples' hands? Where has the actual community discussion gone, then? If there is need for a special purpose list to get phones into peoples' hands, it would not be hard to create one. Besides, it's not hard to share mailing list bandwidth between various purposes. I simply can't buy the notion that the community mailing list is not suited to community discussion at this time. I never said anything about a conspiracy - I just thought I'd point out that it strikes me as strange to respond to somebody's call to open up a process and involve the community by asking that person to make their communications private! On Sun, Apr 27, 2008 at 7:26 PM, Ian Darwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ryan Prior wrote: A synopsis: Lowell: Let's make this project community-driven. Steve: Please talk to me about it privately. WTF? Perhaps you didn't read this part: I'd rather take this offline with you, since the main focus here [meaning, on this discussion list, at this time] and now is how to get the product that is [already] built into people's hands. Then you can feed that back to people, agreeing or disagreeing as you see fit. Stop looking for conspiracies - there aren't any here. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: support win mobile
This really shows how little the OpenMoko community understands the Neo. Why port Windows Mobile when we could be porting Windows 3.1? Windows 3.1 is a lightweight OS which has excellent application support from a broad and stable base of industry, and which has successors which we know to be of excellent quality. As the capabilities of future Neo phones increase, we have an upgrade path which we know to be successful and an ever-expanding number of applications supported. The future is DOS - Windows 3.1 On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 8:59 AM, Andy Powell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 01 April 2008 07:05, John Lee wrote: Dear Community, A decision has been made _today_ that Openmoko is going to support Windows mobile. We, the distribution team, want to provide our customers the maximum freedom in choosing whatever platform they want, even the close source ones. We will make necessary modifications to wine, thus enable win mobile on neo. One specific Openmoko hardware is going to support Windows mobile. It's the Neo Pocky. A prototype has been made and placed in our meeting room for quite a while. Please check this url for intro and photos: http://walkingice.twbbs.org/blog/?p=336 Regards, John Lee Wow, I've just ported Windows mobile to the neo1973 perhaps you can license that too? Andy /yes I know //no really, I do. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Unbutu mobile
I'm hoping to see small and cool things coming out of Nokia/Trolltech, Intel, Motorola, Asus, and friends these next few years. As the sub-sub-subnotebooks become tinier and skinnier, and the ultramobiles and smartphones get bigger and more powerful, the underlying technologies may converge enough that an initiative in the right place at the right time -- say, OpenMoko and Ubuntu Mobile -- may be able to span those technologies. Here's hoping! I'd love to have a Mobile Internet Device, but as of now they're too expensive and underpowered for my liking. I'm really looking forward to the FreeRunner, though! ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko wallpaper
I don't see what the picture has to do with OpenMoko. It's a neat shot to be sure, but I don't get the correlation. On Jan 8, 2008 12:41 PM, Marcel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I've been playing around with my camera at late night and once took an (in my opinion) quite nice shot. Now, browsing the moko wiki, I thought the om logo could look really good together with one of them. Here's the result, waiting for comments: http://www.tanuva.de/files/mokocars_at_night.png Left at a high resolution to be able to cut it down to different aspect ratios. What do you think about this? Marcel ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
How exciting. :-) Let's give OpenMoko a killer GUI, okay? BTW -- does this mean Enlightenment glitz for the Moko UI? On 11/1/07, Sean Moss-Pultz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Community, I'm extremely excited to announce that Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) has joined OpenMoko, Inc. The man hardly needs an introduction. Please just give him a warm welcome to our community / company ;-) Sean ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Trolltech drops greenphone for OpenMoko (Neo)
Now what I really want to see is a candy bar form factor for an OpenMoko phone from FIC. That would allow the multitudes of developers still interested in that form factor to develop for OpenMoko or QTopia and have a high-quality, open handset to work and innovate on. On 10/23/07, Gerald A [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Link to story: http://news.zdnet.com/2100-1035_22-6214641.html I'm actually sad to hear this. While it's great to have a number of options running on the Neo, it would be nice to have OpenMoko run on a variety of devices, but the greenphone won't be in the running. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: My head hurts...
Sometimes, these miracles happen. :-) On 10/17/07, Ian Darwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Or should I say, my head is still spinning. I filed a bug report at 10:59 this morning (bug 947). At 11:12 there was a response (Thanks Soeren!) that not only addressed both issues I raised, but provided a fix that worked first time. When was the last time you got that kind of response from Adobe, Microsoft, or Apple? Way to go, team! ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Bi-weekly OpenMoko community update
I'd like to see a package of simply, fully working, high-quality example applications, including tutorials on cross-compiling and linking against different versions of the various OpenMoko libraries. It would provide an excellent starting point for developers such as myself who want to dive in but usually get bogged down in code that is written to do work, not to look pretty and demonstrate the principals of how the system is put together. Documentation is great, but if it's dense it will only benefit the more hardcore hackers. I hope to eventually become one of those more hardcore hackers, but I feel like I need an entry point. :-) On 10/13/07, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello everyone, I have some updates for you, and a question. First the updates: The GTA01 units that were shipped in the past two weeks have satisfied the back orders for GTA01. There continues to be demand for GTA01 so we are building some more. GTA02 Wifi hardware has been working for about a week, so work can proceed on the driver, which is currently in a pretty minimal state. We're very happy with the u-blox/Atmel ATR0635 GPS Receiver, and thus have made the decision to use this chip. GTA02v3, the third revision of GTA02, is still being verified and tested. This will take another couple of weeks, at which point we'll make GTA02v4. Now the question: We want to make it easier for developers to work with OpenMoko. We realize that many of our resources (e.g. wiki, website, development tools) are decidedly not user friendly at the moment and that other resources (e.g. documentation) are missing. I'm going to start putting a lot more energy into this, and I'd like to hear your thoughts in general and in particular what should be tackled first. You may reply either to the list or to me personally, as you wish. Sincerely, Michael ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: I'm new in this list
Nope, no trick. QTopia just doesn't have support for power saving on Neo1973 last I heard, so the battery you're life is the battery life everybody's getting. It is an issue that will be resolved, though. On 10/13/07, Joseph Heenan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Graham Williams wrote: However, I have been using the Neo as my main phone for making and receiving phone calls and messaging for a couple of weeks now using the Qtopia image (http://www.qtopia.net/modules/devices/openmoko.php). Possibly silly question, but how did you manage this? For me, the qtopia images seemed to completely empty the battery within about 5 hours without even making any calls so I feel I'm missing an obvious trick :) Cheers, Joseph ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: I'm new in this list
The phone still can't be relied on to make calls. At this point, if you're looking for a phone that you can call with in an emergency or can rely on for business use, OpenMoko is not ready. What is ready is the software stack that will let you hack on the different components and get things working better. Usually the process of getting things to work better involves breaking those things at some level, so if you do decide to jump into development, you've got have a backup phone to make those important calls. Hope this info is helpful. -Ryan On 10/12/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hello, I'm new in this list. I have a question. Is possible to make a call with neo1793? they where an article on the wiki http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Developer_preview i read what you CAN NOT expect yet #reliable means of making phone calls, esp. not from the UI #reliable means of sending/receiving SMS, esp. not from the UI #integrated GPRS data access but the page was written on July 07... tnk by leo ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: R: I'm new in this list
surprise! It's october 07 right now and the GTA02 is nowhere on the horizon. Again, I am not connected to FIC, but it seems apparent to me that we won't see GTA02s ship within the next 6 months. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: I'm new in this list
The fact is that the first version was put out early so that hardware hackers and developers could get their hands on the phone in advance. The hardware is simply not ready for consumers, but hopefully with the help of all the people who have bought the hardware and are hacking on it we will have a good product when GTA02 is launched. GTA02 will use the same software, and the things that benefit the GTA01 will carry over to the GTA02 -- the difference is that the GTA02 will have better hardware, allowing it to be more useful and competitive in the marketplace. More hardware options is a good thing, and the software will improve -- so buy a phone now and get hacking, start writing software on your own computer and wait to buy hardware, or just sit it out and wait for the consumer-ready product to come out (in about a year, by my relatively uneducated estimation). Hope that clears up the current state of things a bit. On 10/12/07, Doug Sutherland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have not purchased a Neo yet but I bid on one and ebay and lost. Just wanted to say, I hope that the focus on making calls is top on the priority list. It seems a bit bizarre that there is another version in the works when you can't make calls on the first. It would make more sense to get the basics of calling working on version one before even talking about WIFI and accelerometers. A phone that cannot make calls: not a phone! -- Doug ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New TOP SECRET OM device??
On 10/6/07, Rodolphe Ortalo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Le vendredi 05 octobre 2007 à 11:35 -0700, Michael Shiloh a écrit : Ok, that does it. No more pictures for my presentations! From now on my presentation tool will be vi. Hmmm, I wonder if using emacs would not be a better idea for putting an end to all these speculations? [...] I know that to some extent the community tries to infer as much as possible out of every word we utter and picture we show because we have not been good at getting information to you. Again, my job is to improve this, and I really intend to make this better. Yes, that's pointless. Let's get back to more productive debates, like the respective merits of using emacs or vi for $your_favorite_task_here, or even maybe python or perl as a default scripting language for the Neo. ruby, srsly :-)) Rodolphe ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Neo1973 drawings
The openclipart library needs stuff like this! Good submission. On 10/4/07, Ryan Lerch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, if the wiki took SVG, I would have uploaded them there instead of the openclipart library. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:community- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Shawn Rutledge Sent: Friday, 5 October 2007 10:06 AM To: List for OpenMoko community discussion Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Neo1973 drawings On 10/4/07, Ryan Lerch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If anyone is interested, I have uploaded a few simple drawings of the neo1973 to the openclipart library. Cool. I made links on the wiki. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Dual-boot? (was Re: Qtopia coming for Neo1973)
Is there a bootloader option for the Neo that could let developers decide whether to boot into OpenMoko or QTopia? If so, it could provide a convenient fallback option in case tinkering with one of the systems caused it to stop working. You could boot into QTopia to surf the net and debug the OpenMoko partition, and vice versa. On 9/18/07, Mauro Iazzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: before someone beats me to it. http://trolltech.com/company/newsroom/announcements/press.2007-09-17.9260755578 and http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS5429713730.html In short: Qtopia is going to be fully GPL'd (telephony applications included, which weren't) and is being ported to Neo1973. Some comments (personal, I can be wrong...): 1) I hope this stops the Qtopia dismissal because not-GPL'd arguments. No one can doubt of Trolltech commitment to Open Source world, whether you like them being commercial or not. 2) collaboration can be complete now, if not sharing the source (at least not fully, because of the different stacks), at least in borrowing design patterns. 3) this could be seen also as a temporary solution for those which want to use the Neo _right_now_ (despite it still being developers-only) 4) it stresses the no-software-lock-in that Neo wants to have, in contrast to all other phones. This is freedom. Seems to me a great step in making the Neo a big platform. I can't wait to see it. cheers, mauro ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: dialer suggestion
I think that would be awesome... that's all have to add, though. If anybody wants to make a fun cosmetic change to the Dialer, this could be a really cool one! On 9/17/07, Joshua Layne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: kinda tongue-in-cheek, but... so kinetic scrolling works now and all the 'dialer' does is capture numbers to send to the GSM chip. what about an old-school dialer? OK, maybe 'retro' is a better name at this point. ROTARY baby! kitsch. flare. nobodyelsehasit. (maybe there is a reason for that last one) I dunno - crazy idea, but it could look really cool - what the H are you doing? - I'm dialing my cell phone, jeez I have no photoshop skillz, so all I can tell you is: find an old rotary dial phone - make it look like that. - like a virtual of these: http://www.makezine.com/blog/archive/2005/06/portable_rotary.html (just the dialer) priority (1 is high): 99 or 999 it's at least as important as TV. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: asking for project
I tend to think that a call router that works via a wifi hotspot would be a really excellent solution. If you can make it work technically, I would go for it. On 9/12/07, Vittoria Cozza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, here again group of computer science student from University of Bari-Itay. still not clear for us what better to implement. What about these ideas: 1)to offer sms and/or phone call services not just by GSM network, but with WIFI,bluethoot, and so on, in transparent way from the end user point of view. We mean: when a person want to make a call, our program should choose which is the faster and cheaper way to route the call (WIFI, gsm). This idea is based on walkie talkie idea in wish list. 2)to implement a tool to support music wifi streaming/sharing (it reminds to P2P applications) 3)from wish list: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wishlist#Printing_Support 4) mobile MESH to create a decentralized network Wait for your opinions and suggestions. Vittoria Cozza PHD student Bari University- Italy ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Ubuntu embedded/mobile
The Ubuntu stack is not necessarily designed for phones - it is targeted first at ultramobile PCs and tablet PCs. However, many of the programs that Ubuntu has started should be of benefit to the OpenMoko project. On 9/3/07, Hans van der Merwe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Not sure if this has been posted before, but will it be possible in the future to support the Ubuntu embedded stack on the neo? I see on the Ubuntu wiki they support the Intel's MID (Mobile Internet Device) platform - so it will need some porting. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded Hans E-Mail disclaimer: http://www.sunspace.co.za/emaildisclaimer.htm ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Not the free phone
I like the tagline Your phone, your way. The idea is that we are putting the consumer in control - this line may mean different things to a techie and non-techie, but that's okay - it ties in with the spirit of freedom. On 7/16/07, Mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ian Darwin wrote: Call it something else in the consumer market. The Flexible Phone. The Does-what-you-want-not-what the big corporations want. I don't know. How about The Freedom Phone. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Not the free phone
That is absolutely true! No amount of marketing to non-techies will help until we have a solid software stack which includes UI responsiveness and a tested user interface. The idea is not to start a ad campaign immediately -- the idea is to be ready when the time for advertising comes! Speaking of which, does anybody from FIC's marketing division read this list? If not, perhaps we could invite somebody? On 7/16/07, Giles Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 16 Jul 2007, at 19:49, Ryan Prior wrote: I like the tagline Your phone, your way. The idea is that we are putting the consumer in control - this line may mean different things to a techie and non-techie, but that's okay - it ties in with the spirit of freedom. Maybe, but then I think all the marketing is academic without the software being there and working. Good planing is needed in the development stage as well as at the point where you sell the product :) ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: gmail.com problems and this list
Are my emails getting sent twice somehow? I'm using gmail, but have not noticed any duplication or errors. On 7/7/07, David Ford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If anyone has noticed.. Those of you posting from Gmail accounts are having your emails re-sent every 60-90 minutes. It is decidedly Gmail that is at fault: Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id f47so897990pye for community@lists.openmoko.org; Sat, 07 Jul 2007 01:51:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.28.12 with SMTP id f12mr400730rvj.1183792229565; Sat, 07 Jul 2007 00:10:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.67.18 with HTTP; Sat, 7 Jul 2007 00:10:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 19:10:29 +1200 From: Robin Paulson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id f47so916804pye for community@lists.openmoko.org; Sat, 07 Jul 2007 02:45:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.28.12 with SMTP id f12mr400730rvj.1183792229565; Sat, 07 Jul 2007 00:10:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id f47so940109pye for community@lists.openmoko.org; Sat, 07 Jul 2007 03:56:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.28.12 with SMTP id f12mr400730rvj.1183792229565; Sat, 07 Jul 2007 00:10:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id f47so970703pye for community@lists.openmoko.org; Sat, 07 Jul 2007 05:26:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.28.12 with SMTP id f12mr400730rvj.1183792229565; Sat, 07 Jul 2007 00:10:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by nz-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id j2so400452nzf for community@lists.openmoko.org; Sat, 07 Jul 2007 07:37:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.28.12 with SMTP id f12mr400730rvj.1183792229565; Sat, 07 Jul 2007 00:10:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id f47so1058407pye for community@lists.openmoko.org; Sat, 07 Jul 2007 09:41:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.28.12 with SMTP id f12mr400730rvj.1183792229565; Sat, 07 Jul 2007 00:10:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id f47so1086601pye for community@lists.openmoko.org; Sat, 07 Jul 2007 11:05:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.28.12 with SMTP id f12mr400730rvj.1183792229565; Sat, 07 Jul 2007 00:10:29 -0700 (PDT) The message-id remains the same so those of you that control your mail server can filter out duplicate message-ids. This is just an FYI for those of you that use Gmail and have been emailing people the last few days. -david ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Backside Interface for Hand-Held devices
A standard drawing pad, such as those used by an artist, is a good example of Claim 1. As a touch-sensitive input device, it causes a change in cursor position and state corresponding with the position at which it is touched. All that differs in Claim 1 of this patent is the stipulation that it is used in a mobile electronic device, as opposed a relatively less mobile desktop or laptop computer, such as those used by artists. Since the other claims simply hinge on claim 1, the whole patent is basically bunk. I couldn't, for example, patent the idea of a computer mouse designed for a mobile electronic device just because it's (presumably) never been done before. It's simply porting an already well-understood concept from the desktop world to the embedded world - there is no new idea, just a new implementation. Peace, fight the power, and say no to bad patents, Ryan On 7/4/07, Frederic Kettelhoit [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello together, there is one patent application called Backside Interface for Hand-Held devices with the patent number 20070103454. It has been published on 10th May 2007 and isn't granted yet. Does anyone know how long such a process might last? And are there realistic chances that this patent will be granted? Because I think it would also be pretty cool for OpenMoko phones. http://www.latestpatents.com/category/apple/feed/ http://appft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2Sect2=HITOFFp=1u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-bool.htmlr=1f=Gl=50co1=ANDd=PG01s1=20070103454.PGNR.OS=DN/20070103454RS=DN/20070103454 ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Come see OpenMoko at Ubuntu Live
On 7/3/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey! I just noticed that we are listed on the conference homepage! http://www.ubuntulive.com/ Hopefully this will increase awareness and interest. That probably means that FIC / OpenMoko paid Canonical / Ubuntu a bunch of money -- evidently matching the contributions of the likes of Intel, Dell, and Sun. Way to go! ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Come see OpenMoko at Ubuntu Live
On 7/3/07, Ryan Prior [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 7/3/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey! I just noticed that we are listed on the conference homepage! http://www.ubuntulive.com/ Hopefully this will increase awareness and interest. That probably means that FIC / OpenMoko paid Canonical / Ubuntu a bunch of money -- evidently matching the contributions of the likes of Intel, Dell, and Sun. Way to go! Update: I found out that FIC/OpenMoko must have paid at least $15,000 for their Gold Sponsorship position. It gives them privileges including their booth, 4 session passes, a 45-minute speaking opportunity, and a half-page color ad in the program guide. Since they'll be in the exhibit hall, I might try to fly out. Hope to see you guys there! Source: http://www.ubuntulive.com/ubuntu/prospectus.pdf -- It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society. - Krishnamurti ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Come see OpenMoko at Ubuntu Live
On 7/3/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OpenMoko was offered a custom Sponsorship which includes a booth but not a speaking opportunity. However, we are free to organize a BoF. I presume there is interest in such? If so, I'll go ahead and schedule one. I'll go ahead and throw in a Yes, but mine isn't worth much since I haven't actually made solid plans to be there yet! Thanks for putting the effort forth to network with Ubuntu users -- I'm definitely interested in building packages for Ubuntu and OpenMoko that enable seamless sync and integration features! ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Advertising/hype
Cool idea. I think we should get the press machine turning on the inside, and then set it loose when the Phase 2 is released and ready for prime time. On 7/1/07, Nick Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Which brings me to a sudden (though premature) thought I had. I read one or two other posts in the archives about advertising/hype, and it occurred to me that the contrast between the iPhone and the OpenMoko is like night and day. Even better, Apple have a very successful advertising campaign that's just begging to be spoofed. I like the idea of net-distributed ads targeted at programmers. These could be hyped in Slashdot-like circles even before GTA02 is out and before the software is mature - the idea is to attract hackers. Black background. Things come on screen in their unpolished current state, glitches and all. Lines in quotes are voiceovers. This is turning it on. We see Tux and initscript messages scrolling down the screen. This is the internet. Show browser displaying Slashdot or kernel.org or something. This is your music... Show terminal with: cd /home/bob/multimedia/music ls They Might Be Giants The White Stripes The Red Hot Chili Peppers The Killers [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is the package manager . . . Show package manager displaying pending updates. . . . that installs the updates . . . User selects an update and clicks Install. . . . that you write for your Neo. Incoming call interrupts package manager, call is taken. Female voice from phone: Hey there. Fade to black, display centered text FIC Neo1973 + OpenMoko Get your hack on. That's my idea for a commercial which calls the iPhone commercials to mind, but which are targeted at a different audience and don't raise expectations unreasonably high! Cheers, Ryan ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Anti theft protection of our cherished device.
We could do this with GPS, too. You could have the phone export encrypted GPS location data every hour or so, and if you lose your phone then you can use your key to decode the GPS and find it. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Guitar Tuner
Whoever gets to it first -- if left up to the core developers, everything more critical than it gets precedence. If somebody from the community (say, a guitar player) decides to take the project and develop it, we'll get the tuner all the sooner. (I'm a poet and didn't even realize it!) ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Clarification Rant
Right, the only tough part is deciding whether to buy GTA01 hardware when I know that WiFi is coming, and I can still do development without the hardware. It would be really nice to have a phone, but I want to buy the one that I'd want to use the most. If I had plenty of money, or if I worked for a mobile development company or something, it would be no problem. On 6/27/07, Joe Pfeiffer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ryan Prior writes: If FIC/OpenMoko could run some sort of deal where I could buy the GTA01 for $300 and send it back in for a $150 or $200 upgrade when the GTA02 comes out, I would buy into that. I wouldn't be making decisions at that point -- it'd be an absolute no-brainer. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society. - Krishnamurti ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Hi There
On 6/26/07, Rui Moreira [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi : My name is Rui Moreira and i am a very enthusiastic linux user, i am starting to play around with openmoko using qemu. I am running it on a Fedora 7 box, and the system is very slow... any pointers ? These are suggestions for QEMU use in general, so if you are already familiar with QEMU and are wondering specifically about making OpenMoko more sprightly, you'll have to be more specific (and perhaps ask on the devel list, where the deep magic happens). QEMU is CPU-bound and a memory hog, so make sure you are giving it as much memory as you can. OpenMoko shouldn't need a ton of memory, but I don't think it would hurt to give it more than it needs - say, a gigabyte. If you need to put more memory into your computer, this would be a good time. If you are using a processor with hyperthreading, ensure that the QEMU process is running on real cores and not a virtual core. QEMU necessarily has some overhead because of the way that it is designed, but there is a kernel module called kqemu that overcomes the overhead, making the VM run at nearly the speed it would on bare metal. Best of luck wrangling QEMU into shape! ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Clarification Rant
On 6/6/07, Gabriel Ambuehl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wednesday 06 June 2007 01:12:18 Ryan Prior wrote: I'm in the same situation. I need a phone, no question. The Neo 1973 is the phone I want, no question. The question is this: will the Neo1973 with WiFi be available by the time I cannot live without a phone for any longer? How about getting the cheapest phone you can find? Around here there are 15EUR phones without contract (but sim locked to one carrier)... That's my plan for now - I need a reliable phone to use alongside my GTA01 (if I buy one - it's hard to justify buying a GTA01 when the GTA02 will have WiFi, something I will use a lot.) If FIC/OpenMoko could run some sort of deal where I could buy the GTA01 for $300 and send it back in for a $150 or $200 upgrade when the GTA02 comes out, I would buy into that. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Preorder
On 6/7/07, Hans van der Merwe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Other issues worry me - Im in South Africa - whats the PP going to be? Is the price tag really going to be $350? ($50 here or there may break my enthusiasm) I always thought South Africans could drop 3000 rand on a phone and not even flinch. =P ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Clarification Rant
I'm in the same situation. I need a phone, no question. The Neo 1973 is the phone I want, no question. The question is this: will the Neo1973 with WiFi be available by the time I cannot live without a phone for any longer? If the answer is no, I will be really disappointed, and it will probably be another two years before I will be able to economically justify a Neo1973. It isn't that I'm threatening anything... I love the concept of OpenMoko and plan to develop software for it, even if I can't get my hands on one. I wish the hardware team the best of luck, and I look forward to life in the trenches with the software team. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FIC Fanboys
Any chance we can buy colorful FIC / OpenMoko shirts to display our affection? Cheers, Ryan ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Fwd: picture viewer
-- Forwarded message -- From: Ryan Prior [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Apr 20, 2007 12:40 PM Subject: Re: picture viewer To: Florent THIERY [EMAIL PROTECTED] If we're going to have a mokofingerwheel on the map interface, why not allow finger wheel up to zoom out and finger wheel down to zoom in? This would be a lot easier to implement than double-touch a la iphone, and I believe it would be easier to use. Two fingers can be tough to manipulate, and it's hard to get precision when you're focusing on moving two fingers at once. A double-tap on the map to zoom in on that location would not be a bad feature in addition to the zoom wheel interface, and since the wheel can be toggled, it doesn't really take use of the wheel away from other possibilities either. -- It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society. - Krishnamurti ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Looking for a mentor for Google SoC - interested in GPS-smart app devel
Dear OpenMoko community, I plan on writing and extending OpenMoko apps to take best advantage of GPS data, providing support to all OpenMoko apps via d-bus and providing useful built-in functions in the base Moko apps. My primary objectives are: 1) Write a library or daemon that provides simple geographically related data to Moko apps, such as creation and management of GPS points, distance between the phone and a point, finding the nearest point, generating a list of all points within a certain distance, etc. 2) Write a daemon that reports events based on geographical location or location relative to defined GPS nodes. This allows the phone to automatically perform tasks based on GPS data without each having to poll the GPS module by providing an event-driven geolocation architecture. 3) Write a GPS-smart todo list application that can give reminders based on location, generate a pared-down todo list based on location, and provides an API to other apps for parsing various structures (especially plain text, as might be received in an email or typed with the stylus, and info imported from calendars) into a todo list complete with geographic info. 4) Write GPS intelligence into a profile switching app, allowing automatic reconfiguration of the phone depending on geographical location or location relative to defined GPS points. Useful features include automatically going into drive-mode when driving, silent-mode when inside a theatre or symphony hall, silent mode (or disabled communications mode) when inside a public school, etc. 5) Integrate the above into an auto-task manager that can automatically perform tasks such as Sync with my latest email and calendar data as I walk/drive to work or Put music player at top of my commonly used apps list when I get to track practice. The same task manager can also incorporate data such as current time, number of emails in inbox, which day of the week, etc. The goal of this application is to allow sophisticated control over phone automation for power users and give a number of sane, useful options to basic phone users. Scope of the Summer of Code project: implement 1 and 2 solidly, laying the framework for the next ones; implement 3 4 and 5 as far as time allows, focusing more on function than polish (though with the OpenMoko application framework, polish isn't exactly hard to come by!) About me: I am 18 years old and a USA resident. I have been tinkering with computers all my life, but only started programming at 11. My name is Ryan and my primary interests are computers, microbiology, and world travel (I'm writing this from Europe). I enjoy long walks on the beach and longer hacking sessions afterwards. My development experience: The languages I am best with are Python, Scheme, and JavaScript. I am willing to (and know that I have to) learn C/C++, and I know a smattering of Perl, PHP, and Java. I have worked with a number of application frameworks including GTK+ and have spent a lot of time using (and being frustrated with) mobile phones. I am comfortable developing on a Linux computer, and use a Linux laptop as my primary development tool. I have written a bunch of programs but I have never contributed to open source projects before. I'm looking forward to the experience! I have used many open-source project management tools but I have never used CVS before. I'm good at picking these things things up and I have strong online communication skills, so I am optimistic that I can learn the ropes quickly. Thanks for reading -- if anybody is interested in mentoring me, please help me get the ball rolling for summer 2007! I'm really excited to watch OpenMoko development unfold and I am itching to be a part of it. Cheers, Ryan aka PirateHead ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
