Re: Free Runner price vs iphone 3G price

2008-06-11 Thread Sander Hoentjen
On Tue, 2008-06-10 at 18:08 -0700, ian douglas wrote:
 Robert Taylor wrote:
  If you want to compare the total cost, compare the total cost of buying 
  the new iphone UNLOCKED at retail cost (you can't) plus the data package 
  and THEN we can talk.
 But the consumer isn't asked to pay the full unlocked price of the 
 iPhone. Just because ATT subsidizes the phone by lessening the profit 
 they make on the $100/month you'll pay them for using their service, the 
 consumer isn't paying more for the phone since they'd still have to 
 pay for the same voice/data service to use a Freerunner. It just means 
 ATT makes more profit on the voice/data plan because they haven't 
 subsidized anything.
 And you still haven't followed up with how you calculated the iPhone to 
 cost 'twice' as much as the Freerunner.
I took the following approach (I am in The Netherlands):
compare the price difference for a 24month contract with or without an
iPhone (16GB) (Yes this is not the new one, but i suspect it will not
differ too much).

Price for 24 mo with iPhone: 719,- eur
with HTC Touch Diamond (just for comparison): 541,-
without phone: 163,10 eur

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Re: [GSM] Geolocating

2008-04-23 Thread Sander Hoentjen
On Wed, 2008-04-23 at 14:17 +0200, Marc-Olivier Barre wrote:
 On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 1:57 PM, Lucas Bonnet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Hello guys,
during one of my presentation of the Openmoko project, I mentionned
   the ability to know which GSM cell the Neo is connected to. This allows
   some approximate geolocating, provided you know the position of the GSM
   cells. It could be useful in an urban environment, where GPS isn't very
   helpful (walls, narrow streets, etc.).
 Well the key concept here is provided you know the position of the
 GSM cells. Now, you might try to call you operators customer support
 asking them Hi, could you send me a copy of your hardware database
 please ?, but I doubt you would get a positive answer, *if* they even
 bother to answer...

I think is trying to solve this problem.


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Re: Openmoko sounds, Motto

2008-04-22 Thread Sander Hoentjen
On Mon, 2008-04-21 at 23:13 +0200, ramsesoriginal wrote:
 I recalled there was already some discussion about this, and after
 reading through something like 300 mails ( xD ) i found this thread:
 So, free your phone could be dangerous.

What about: Pay 399 and get a free phone :)

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