Re: Take a look at these stupid people...
On 3 April 2013 13:01, Sebastian Reinhardt s...@lmv-hartmannsdorf.de wrote: If You have to buy an new smart-phone every two years to get new software, I think this is not fair, too. And this is not good for nature..to throw away an working phone. I agree that an artificial withholding of software updates is a ridiculous reason to buy a new phone. Fortunately iPhones and android phones have typically had a few years of software updates available, and with the android mods there's no reason that some older phones can't continue to get new features past the time that Google or the manufacturer want to stop supporting them. But there are other reasons: physical wear and tear, batteries don't work so well after a couple of years, and it's amazing how fast new features continue to be added even though we can start to expect smartphones to be a maturing category of device. Every year there have been more cores, faster clock speed, more memory, more storage, better GPU, better accelerometers, better touch, wacom stylus, better GPS, other types of sensors, NFC, maybe zigbee will come soon? At this point the smartphone is not mature because there's no end in sight. Next we can imagine using an eyetap and some new types of input devices to avoid having to carry the phone in one hand and touch with the other, which ties up both hands and requires you to look down and be out of touch with reality. Every generation of device, there's at least one new feature that you really want. So while I wish technology could have a longer life, it would have to mean a kind of stagnation too, or else such extreme leapfrogging that there is nothing else that you could want for several years while the competitors catch up (like Apple managed to do for a while). A small indie project has a vanishingly small chance of leapfrogging like that. The Neo phones were obsolete almost from the beginning because they didn't support multi-touch and full-screen GPU rendering, just at the time when you would really begin to want both; and on top of that it's bulky, has relatively poor industrial design and the price is too high. But there is room for open source efforts to add features and extend the life of existing devices, I think. New software features are easier to create than new innovative hardware, and revolutionary features are still relatively rare in software. It's just that the same type of person who wants to be a developer is probably also the one who always wants the latest hardware. (Except when that person is too poor to buy it, or when the category is actually mature, as has just about happened to PC's.) The nanotech refinement of 3d printing should eventually make it possible to homebrew custom devices, and upgrade them a piece at a time, but then we will be living in a scarier world with its own set of problems. And it's still a big piece of engineering; remains to be seen if volunteers can ever out-innovate the big guys. So I hope fairphone succeeds, but they will need shoulders of giants to stand on in both the hardware and software areas, otherwise it will be too little too late for too high a price again. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Microtouch
With an Atmel it sounds like a dancing bear to me; it has so little memory that you basically have to use it only for fixed purposes, like the games they show. No dynamic languages or possibility of downloading much content. And also no GPU. On 8 February 2012 14:29, Gay, John (GE Energy Services, Non-GE) john@ge.com wrote: On 02/07/2012 10:13 AM, Gay, John (GE Energy Services, Non-GE) wrote: Subject: Microtouch Just spotted on: http://blog.p2pfoundation.net Microtouch - The ultimate AVR-based iPhone killer! http://www.ladyada.net/products/microtouch/ SNIP Does anyone know how old this is? I've got ~$100 ready to buy it they get more in stock. The page says 3-5 days, but not when it was last updated. I hope the first batch wasn't the only batch. I'd really like to play with a$100 tablet. It looks like it was originally announced a little over a year ago (Jan 27, 2011.) http://www.adafruit.com/blog?s=microtouch is the blog search for posts related to the microtouch. Now I'm confused as to whether to get to $90 microtouch with it's cute touch screen and pocket size on an 8-bit microcontroller, or wait and get a raspberryPI for $35 and full Linux, but needs a TV for display??? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New $200 tablet?
It's just Plasma Active on top of a meego-derived distro, right? http://community.kde.org/Plasma/Active/Development You can boot a USB live image on some other touchscreen device to play around; I did that on my s10-3t last night. On 31 January 2012 14:31, Patryk Benderz patryk.bend...@esp.pl wrote: [cut] Also, there is NO SOURCE CODE available publicly (maybe with the exception of one github repository which seems to have at least some code) which means that all companies currently selling this device are violating the GPL. If you are sure above is true, it might be worth notifying [1],[2] and kernel guys. [1] http://www.softwarefreedom.org/ [2] http://gpl-violations.org/ -- Patryk LeadMan Benderz Linux Registered User #377521 () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Happy Programmers' Day!
On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 4:44 PM, Patryk Benderz patryk.bend...@esp.pl wrote: Best wishes to all of you guys writing code or filing bug reports for FreeRunner devices! :) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Programmer_Day wow,that's awesome in russia--an official holiday. to celebrating at 256th days per a year aint a bad idea.thank Patryk let us know happy hacking(writing)! -- GNU powered it... GPL protect it... God blessing it... regards Shawn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko Beagle Hybrid
On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 12:56 AM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@computer.org wrote: has fixed dimensions) and we can't afford to build plastic injection moulds (if someone has an idea how to reduce cost this is very welcome). So the easiest solution was to combine what we have: a given Beagleboard and the Freerunner case. Personally I don't see what the big deal is with mold-making. Anybody could start a business doing that if it's so lucrative: get a Harbor Freight or other cheap milling machine and some blocks of aluminum, and develop the skill to do sufficiently accurate machining. (I have tried a little milling but my skill level definitely needs a lot of improvement; maybe it will if I ever get around to doing enough of it.) Of course CNC would be nice, but again, what's the big deal...3 steppers or servo motors and a controller... As someone else mentioned the Chinese obviously aren't having too much trouble with mold-making. It's also within the realm of possibility to make your own injection molding machine. There is a book (Gingery) about how to do that, but there is nothing too exotic in that book either... it's just a heated cylinder and piston arrangement with a lever to apply the pressure. Hot plastic comes squirting out, and you have your mold clamped in place to receive it. Alternatives include building a RepRap, making the plastic parts directly, and putting up with rough, inaccurate results; buying a better rapid prototyping machine (FDM type or laser sintering or the type that builds up parts from thin laminates); or directly CNC-milling the cases (you could even use wood then). As a DIY/hacker type thing rather than commercial, it might fly. Maybe try to get a story in Make Magazine because there seems to be a trendy new crowd of DIY/hacker types nowadays, who weren't around a couple years ago. Or get it made at one of the rapid-prototyping shops. For every type of RP technology there are multiple shops doing on-demand prototypes. In any event, the case design could be posted on http://www.thingiverse.com/ and maybe someone who has a RepRap or similar can try to make a prototype. There was a design contest going on but I guess the time has passed: http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2010/04/makerbot_giveaway.html ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Looking to pick up a FreeRunner
I personally would 2nd the motion to try Android on Freerunner, had a great experience up until I couldn't afford to pay the phone bill and stopped playing around with it. On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 3:00 PM, Niels Heyvaert nielsheyva...@hotmail.comwrote: Anyway, I had a disappointing and frustrating experience with my FR too until I discovered QtMoko because all of the distros I tried before QtMoko (Om 2008.x, Om 2009, SHR (misnomer++;)) were unusable. swoody: If you get an FR, please try QtMoko first. That way, if you decide to try other distros later, you can at least compare them to something usable (QtMoko). Since it wasn't mentioned as an alternative, you could also try Anroird on Freerunner 0.2 RC1. No distro war, just another option you could try and see if it works out for you. Niels. _ Speel samen met je vrienden de spelletjes die Windows Live je aanbiedt! http://www.messengerbillboard.be/nl/play ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OM future
On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 2:05 AM, Mike Crash m...@mikecrash.com wrote: Actually, I don't know, why everybody needs a phone. The community should aim at simple PDA with GPS, WiFi, BT and camera. This all is without any license Personally I don't talk on the phone a lot, but it's nice to have an always-on wireless network rather than having to find WiFi access points (which use encryption or require some kind of sign-in way too often anyway). I use my iPhone to google stuff a lot, even though it's only edge (pretty slow). Most of the time when I'm away from home I'd rather put up with the slow edge network than mess around with connecting to an AP, figuring out why it doesn't work, and then having it go away when I'm out of range. Of course it depends on how much you pay for your GSM and whether the limits are reasonable. But it's easy to imagine the future, that say 10 years from now the internet is mostly wireless and your devices are nearly always connected, with transparent roaming... no need to manually scan and connect to networks. That's how it needs to be for the best usability. So these comments that a PDA is good enough sound luddite to me, although they do follow the pattern than the open-source world is usually behind the curve, repeating what has been done rather than innovating. Personally I don't like carrying multiple devices either. I use an iPhone because it just works, does everything that can be done on either a PDA or a phone so far (except multitasking), and I can develop for it too. (Too bad it's so darn closed though.) Maybe the next OM device ought to be on one of the next-gen networks like WiMax or LTE. I have no idea what kind of hardware is required for that, but early on I didn't get the impression that WiMax was any more of a closed architecture than usual (e.g. there would be multiple radio suppliers, and the spec is obtainable). Or even invent a new, open network. That would be far-out (in both senses: very cool, and quite the project). GnuRadio provides a starting point. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: how to port a scheme interpreter to om?
thanks, Neil.I will take it try after the compiling of openWRT is finished. OK, this just means that you're missing a prerequisite: development files (headers and libraries) for the libltdl library. On Debian these are in the libltdl-dev package; on other distros I'd look for libltdl-dev, or libtool-dev, or something like that. To save time, you may like to check the other prerequisite too, i.e. GMP, before trying to build again. You can find the details in the README file. Hope that helps! Neil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- GNU powered it... GPL protect it... God blessing it... regards HFG--Shawn the R0ck ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: how to port a scheme interpreter to om?
On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 8:57 AM, Shawn cit...@gmail.com wrote: hi guys, does anybody has try to port the scheme interpreter(guile,etc) to openMOKO? I have used Chicken on OM. You can even compile scheme to machine code right on the phone if you have gcc etc. installed. And I wrote an OE recipe for it too (which might mean there are packages being built... I haven't checked lately). http://chicken.wiki.br/cross-compilation-on-open-moko I think Chicken is way faster than Guile, and has a lot of libraries/extensions (called eggs) available. http://chicken.wiki.br/chicken-projects/egg-index-4.html ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
how to port a scheme interpreter to om?
hi guys, does anybody has try to port the scheme interpreter(guile,etc) to openMOKO? -- GNU powered it... GPL protect it... God blessing it... regards HFG--Shawn the R0ck ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: how to port a scheme interpreter to om?
for what distribution? I got om for a few days.Im downloading the openWRT distro right now. If it's for SHR try openembedded...there is a guile recipe,but verify that it's the same version than the one in org.openembedded.dev else it will fail with a libtool problem because it would require an old libtool. I have used the cross compiler arm-linux-gcc to compile guile but failed in libtool problem. I tried compile 2 versions of guile(1.4 and 1.8.7) but got same error about libtool.It's any way to take it out? Denis. thanks for your answer,Denis. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- GNU powered it... GPL protect it... God blessing it... regards HFG--Shawn the R0ck ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: how to port a scheme interpreter to om?
Let's try : ri...@hackable1:~/leech$ sudo aptitude install guile-1.8 guile guile (version) 1.8.5 What distribution do you use, that comes without a prepackaged scheme ? my laptop distro is Fedora 9.om,i will try to put a openWRT into it. :-p ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- GNU powered it... GPL protect it... God blessing it... regards HFG--Shawn the R0ck ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: how to port a scheme interpreter to om?
Ah, the happy conjunction of my main free software interests... (I'm one of Guile's maintainers.) wowo~it's pleasure to meet you here dude~ If you want to send me details, I'm happy to try to help. But cross-compiling environments are tricky so it could take a few iterations. the 1.4 version of guile has been succeed compile.but got this below on board: [...@friendlyarm /shawn]# guile /bin/guile: /bin/guile: 1: Syntax error: ( unexpected and 1.8.7 failed(it's a little bit long) to compile: [st...@localhost guile-1.8.7]$ ./configure --prefix=/citypw/shawn-dev/port-guile-to-arm/guile-build --target=arm-linux-gcc --host=arm-linux configure: WARNING: If you wanted to set the --build type, don't use --host. If a cross compiler is detected then cross compile mode will be used. checking for a BSD-compatible install... /usr/bin/install -c checking whether build environment is sane... yes checking for arm-linux-strip... arm-linux-strip checking for a thread-safe mkdir -p... /bin/mkdir -p checking for gawk... gawk checking whether make sets $(MAKE)... yes checking build system type... i686-pc-linux-gnu checking host system type... arm-unknown-linux-gnu configure: autobuild project... guile configure: autobuild revision... 1.8.7 configure: autobuild hostname... localhost.localdomain configure: autobuild timestamp... 20091028T163227Z checking for a BSD-compatible install... /usr/bin/install -c checking for arm-linux-gcc... arm-linux-gcc checking for C compiler default output file name... a.out checking whether the C compiler works... yes checking whether we are cross compiling... yes checking for suffix of executables... checking for suffix of object files... o checking whether we are using the GNU C compiler... yes checking whether arm-linux-gcc accepts -g... yes checking for arm-linux-gcc option to accept ISO C89... none needed checking for style of include used by make... GNU checking dependency style of arm-linux-gcc... gcc3 checking how to run the C preprocessor... arm-linux-gcc -E checking for gawk... (cached) gawk checking for grep that handles long lines and -e... /bin/grep checking for egrep... /bin/grep -E checking for ANSI C header files... yes checking for sys/types.h... yes checking for sys/stat.h... yes checking for stdlib.h... yes checking for string.h... yes checking for memory.h... yes checking for strings.h... yes checking for inttypes.h... yes checking for stdint.h... yes checking for unistd.h... yes checking minix/config.h usability... no checking minix/config.h presence... no checking for minix/config.h... no checking whether it is safe to define __EXTENSIONS__... yes checking for arm-linux-gcc option to accept ISO C89... (cached) none needed checking whether arm-linux-gcc and cc understand -c and -o together... yes checking for a sed that does not truncate output... /bin/sed checking for fgrep... /bin/grep -F checking for ld used by arm-linux-gcc... /usr/local/arm/3.4.1/arm-linux/bin/ld checking if the linker (/usr/local/arm/3.4.1/arm-linux/bin/ld) is GNU ld... yes checking for BSD- or MS-compatible name lister (nm)... /usr/local/arm/3.4.1/bin/arm-linux-nm -B checking the name lister (/usr/local/arm/3.4.1/bin/arm-linux-nm -B) interface... BSD nm checking whether ln -s works... yes checking the maximum length of command line arguments... 1966080 checking whether the shell understands some XSI constructs... yes checking whether the shell understands +=... yes checking for /usr/local/arm/3.4.1/arm-linux/bin/ld option to reload object files... -r checking for arm-linux-objdump... objdump checking how to recognize dependent libraries... pass_all checking for arm-linux-ar... arm-linux-ar checking for arm-linux-strip... (cached) arm-linux-strip checking for arm-linux-ranlib... arm-linux-ranlib checking command to parse /usr/local/arm/3.4.1/bin/arm-linux-nm -B output from arm-linux-gcc object... ok checking for dlfcn.h... yes checking for objdir... .libs checking if arm-linux-gcc supports -fno-rtti -fno-exceptions... no checking for arm-linux-gcc option to produce PIC... -fPIC -DPIC checking if arm-linux-gcc PIC flag -fPIC -DPIC works... yes checking if arm-linux-gcc static flag -static works... yes checking if arm-linux-gcc supports -c -o file.o... yes checking if arm-linux-gcc supports -c -o file.o... (cached) yes checking whether the arm-linux-gcc linker (/usr/local/arm/3.4.1/arm-linux/bin/ld) supports shared libraries... yes checking whether -lc should be explicitly linked in... no checking dynamic linker characteristics... GNU/Linux ld.so checking how to hardcode library paths into programs... immediate checking for shl_load... no checking for shl_load in -ldld... no checking for dlopen... no checking for dlopen in -ldl... yes checking whether a program can dlopen itself... cross checking whether stripping libraries is possible... yes checking if libtool supports shared libraries... yes checking whether to build shared libraries... yes checking whether to build static libraries
Re: It Ain't funny [Was: Ain't it funny..]
On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 9:12 AM, Dale Maggee anti...@internode.on.net wrote: Generally when I hear the word nazi used, it means totalitarian, not monster or mass murderer - think of the soup nazi in Seinfeld. That's what I meant. Not the other. *At All*. Sorry. That just goes to show the meaning has gotten diluted from overuse, doesn't it. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [android] com.android.phone unexpectedly quits
On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 1:25 PM, Braydon Fuller cour...@braydon.com wrote: limx 5886 wrote: how do you install the android? i install it from sd card, didn't meet the error I also installed from the SD card. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community I installed from SD card and had this error, delete all APN's or fix one of them to have the correct information and delete the others. It is crashing due to an error in the APN settings most likely, that was the issue I ran into (B6, T-Mobile USA). ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: US Buzz/GPS Fix
Also would love to see one in salt lake city Utah area since my fr has the buzz On 4/22/09, Doug Jones dj...@frombob.to wrote: +1 I'm also in California. If somebody threw a Buzz Fix party anywhere in California, I would be there. Isn't Openmoko in California too? Fremont Buzz Fix Party, anyone? I do have soldering experience, but not with such small parts. (In my day, everything was the size of a Buick.) But I'm game. Russell Dwiggins wrote: I'm interested as well. I'm in the Southern California area. I'm sure there's someone with the expertise in the area / country who can perform these fixes. Anyone? Russell Dwiggins -Original Message- From: community-boun...@lists.openmoko.org [mailto:community-boun...@lists.openmoko.org] On Behalf Of Staley, Daniel L Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 11:01 AM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: US Buzz/GPS Fix Hi all, I keep hearing of these great Buzz Fix parties going on across Europe, and think it is great that the community is pulling together like that. Has there been any word of one of these events or just someone in the United States attempting the same thing? I'd love to get the fixes (Buzz and GPS for sureperhaps also the audio capacitor?) applied to my freerunner, but don't have the soldering tools or expertise requiredI'm more of a software guy. =P Thanks, -Dan Staley ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.12.1/2069 - Release Date: 04/20/09 10:36:00 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Sent from my mobile device ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 'dead' neo
On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 11:07 AM, Maksim 'max_posedon' Melnikau maxpose...@gmail.com wrote: Neo can be booted without battery at all, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Freerunner_Hardware_Issues Can't boot with discharged or missing battery 5 In short: 1. remove battery 2. press AUX 3. insert usb-cable 4. release AUX (yes, only now) 5. press AUX+POWER to boot in nor menu 6. boot your neo 7. insert battery - begin charging it No that's for the freerunner, doesn't work with the Neo AFAIK, which will make nasty noises and probably fry something if you connect USB without a battery installed. You should be able to install the battery, then without touching any buttons plug it into USB, and let it charge overnight at the 100mA rate. Next day (or maybe just in a couple hours) there will be enough charge to boot and then charge some more in fast mode. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Slashdotted
On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 5:34 AM, ri...@happyleptic.org wrote: Make a useable phone with inovative apps is what is needed to get new customers, not a fancy 3d chip nor a better screen or camera or whatever. For the hardware is already way much better than the software, IMHO. I agree. If the GTA03 was going to be less capable anyway, we can live without it. It's too bad having to put up with the Glamo, but oh well. How much longer can GTA02's remain in production? Any impending part obsolescence to worry about? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2.6.28 kernel and modutils
On 2/6/09, Al Johnson openm...@mazikeen.demon.co.uk wrote: On recent SHR and probably FSO (haven't got MS5 going yet) connman is taking control of usb0 and trying o use dhcp to get an address. Since I have a bridged configuration on the machine I plug it into this actually succeeds, but for most people it will fail to get an address. In either case ifdown usb0 then ifup usb0 gives it the configuration found in /etc/network/interfaces which is what people are used to seeing. I think that's a good idea in case you plug in multiple phones. I was just going to ask whether it would be considered to use DHCP over USB, so I'm glad to find your mail about it. :-) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Qt Software discontinues Qt Extended
On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 11:42 AM, Lorn Potter lpot...@trolltech.com wrote: http://www.qtsoftware.com/about/news/qt-software-discontinues-qt-extended It says some features will be migrated into Qt itself. I assume that means Nokia doesn't see a need for some of the low-level open-source phone-specific stuff (daemons etc), because they want to keep using their pre-existing versions instead? What about the applications? Is there a list of stuff that will be migrated and stuff that will disappear? It's good that it was at least GPLd prior to this, so whatever is worth saving can be merged into other projects. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Qt Software discontinues Qt Extended
On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 4:36 PM, Lorn Potter lpot...@trolltech.com wrote: No public list available, but probably none of the applications in Qt Extended will go into Qt. Just backend/classes kind of thing. What about the ability to run Qt on a framebuffer as opposed to X? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTA03 Touchscreen Capacitive (was Re: OT: iPhone howto)
Margo Koppelmann wrote: On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 9:01 AM, Shawn Trash Thompson mokowa...@projektenterprises.com wrote: Ever used an iPhone? their screen is nice, responsive and the gui is designed where a stylus isn't needed. I actually was rather fond of the iPhone screen and was very unimpressed with the GTA02's touchscreen in comparison. The difference between iphone and freerunner is that the software on iphone is specially designed and written for the iphone, but on freerunner you can run almost any linux software. How would you for example play Numpty Physics on a capacitive screen? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Point taken but my fat fingers work great on the iPhone and not so on the FR. Also it often registers my drag on the FR as a click whereas the Capacitive touchscreen of the iPhone and T-Mobile G1 easily distinguish between clicks or drags. I found that the only semi-accurate method of input on my FR is the stylus that is included, without it the phone is virtually useless to me and with it a pain to use. I continue to use my samsung 409 flip-phone because I can easily navigate and even using that annoying T9 input method is still 100x faster than my FR with or without the stylus. I'm glad to see the GTA03 going to capacitive, I might be able to make use of the screen for once. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTA03 Touchscreen Capacitive (was Re: OT: iPhone howto)
Pander wrote: Shawn Trash Thompson wrote: Margo Koppelmann wrote: On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 9:01 AM, Shawn Trash Thompson mokowa...@projektenterprises.com wrote: Ever used an iPhone? their screen is nice, responsive and the gui is designed where a stylus isn't needed. I actually was rather fond of the iPhone screen and was very unimpressed with the GTA02's touchscreen in comparison. The difference between iphone and freerunner is that the software on iphone is specially designed and written for the iphone, but on freerunner you can run almost any linux software. How would you for example play Numpty Physics on a capacitive screen? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Point taken but my fat fingers work great on the iPhone and not so on the FR. Also it often registers my drag on the FR as a click whereas the Capacitive touchscreen of the iPhone and T-Mobile G1 easily distinguish between clicks or drags. I found that the only semi-accurate method of input on my FR is the stylus that is included, without it the phone is virtually useless to me and with it a pain to use. I continue to use my samsung 409 flip-phone because I can easily navigate and even using that annoying T9 input method is still 100x faster than my FR with or without the stylus. I'm glad to see the GTA03 going to capacitive, I might be able to make use of the screen for once. Proposition: GTA03T = touch screen GTA03C = capacitive screen I could live with that, I prefer capacitive screens after having used both kinds. I'd by the 03C assuming it has had the major issues of the 02 fixed before it launches. Having payed the high price and not been able to use it as a daily phone for more than a few days at a time since purchase I'm about ready to put it back up for sale if improvements don't really keep rolling forward soon. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Looking to sell GTA02v5 in Salt Lake City area.
Hi Community, I have a used GTA02V5, 850 model, I would like to sell. If you are in the Salt Lake City area and want a GTA02 without paying full price or shipping then let me know off-list.* Please note at this time I am only offering local sale, CASH ONLY. If you cannot pick-up in person please do not respond.** *Price I paid was just over $400 shipped, asking $250 Included: -FreeRunner with SHR installed -SD-Card with adapter and case -Wall-Charger -Stylus E-mail me off list if you are interested. -Shawn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTA03 Touchscreen Capacitive (was Re: OT: iPhone howto)
Matthias Apitz wrote: El día Wednesday, February 25, 2009 a las 06:36:31PM +0100, Yorick Moko escribió: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Touchscreen#Resistive vs http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Touchscreen#Capacitive Thanks; But: Do we really want a GTA03 which can't be managed with a stylus pen? I can't imagine a 'Terminal' like keyboard (i.e. one having all keys like the actual Om2008.9 'Terminal', including Shift, SHift-Lock, ...) and using it with my finger tips; how should this work? Where this idea, GTA03 with Capacitive, comes from? :-(( matthias Ever used an iPhone? their screen is nice, responsive and the gui is designed where a stylus isn't needed. I actually was rather fond of the iPhone screen and was very unimpressed with the GTA02's touchscreen in comparison. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Need help flashing my freerunner for the first time
Adam Jimerson wrote: I just got my freerunner today and when I have been trying to flash it with OM 2008.12 now that it is charged (comparing my Home and the images on the wiki I don't even think it came with 2007 installed), according to http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing I should not set up a usb0 connection but dfu-util doesn't seem to be working with it. The dfu-util -l only sees it half the time and when I try to backup the Kernel with dfu-util -a kernel -R -U good-kernel.img the freerunner just times out. The host that I am using is openSUSE 11.1. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Adam, Are you using the super-user account? -Shawn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Need help flashing my freerunner for the first time
Adam Jimerson wrote: On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 10:50 PM, Shawn Trash Thompson mokowa...@projektenterprises.com mailto:mokowa...@projektenterprises.com wrote: Adam Jimerson wrote: I just got my freerunner today and when I have been trying to flash it with OM 2008.12 now that it is charged (comparing my Home and the images on the wiki I don't even think it came with 2007 installed), according to http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing I should not set up a usb0 connection but dfu-util doesn't seem to be working with it. The dfu-util -l only sees it half the time and when I try to backup the Kernel with dfu-util -a kernel -R -U good-kernel.img the freerunner just times out. The host that I am using is openSUSE 11.1. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Adam, Are you using the super-user account? -Shawn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Yes I am using the super-user account ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community hopefully someone else will have more info then, other than not using root priv or equivalent I'm out of ideas, all I've seen issues with is having multiple DFU capable devices but that doesn't sound like the problem either. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: bearstech SHR missing rootfs
Michael Shiloh wrote: According to the wiki http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Download#SHR_images_.28Stable_Hybrid_Release.29 SHR images are available here http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-testing/images/om-gta02/?C=M;O=D which contains the the kernel and modules but not the rootfs. I suggest this be fixed either by including the rootfs, or by including a readme.html that explains why the rootfs is missing, and where to find one. Comments? Michael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community SHR project currently resides at: http://shr-project.org/trac this link has instructions on getting and installing your SHR image. -Shawn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: bearstech SHR missing rootfs
Michael Shiloh wrote: Shawn Trash Thompson wrote: Michael Shiloh wrote: According to the wiki http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Download#SHR_images_.28Stable_Hybrid_Release.29 SHR images are available here http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-testing/images/om-gta02/?C=M;O=D which contains the the kernel and modules but not the rootfs. I suggest this be fixed either by including the rootfs, or by including a readme.html that explains why the rootfs is missing, and where to find one. Comments? Michael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community SHR project currently resides at: http://shr-project.org/trac this link has instructions on getting and installing your SHR image. -Shawn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Then the link on the wiki to bearstech is wrong. Shall I fix this? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Please do, I try to watch for errors if I have to browse the wiki also so correct links are great :) -Shawn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Report] - Buzz fix
Levy A. M. Sant'Anna wrote: On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 00:19, Steve Mosher st...@openmoko.com mailto:st...@openmoko.com wrote: For example I have never heard it. I live in SF and primarily use an 850 phone. Sean once visited to show me what the buzz actually sounded like. He produced a phone, we turned it on. No buzz. I've been told that the buzz is most prominent on 900Mz and that if your phone happens to connect on 850, 1800, or 1900 that the buzz is absent or less pronounced. I use an 850 phone here at Brazil and the buzz is THE MAJOR issue for me. I am a non DYI and want to fix my Freerunner :-( I also have the 850 and the buzz doesn't appear to me but my friends notice when i use that phone because i either echo or buzz, sometimes a nasty combination of both. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Report] - Buzz fix
Levy A. M. Sant'Anna wrote: On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 21:50, Shawn Trash Thompson mokowa...@projektenterprises.com mailto:mokowa...@projektenterprises.com wrote: I also have the 850 and the buzz doesn't appear to me but my friends notice when i use that phone because i either echo or buzz, sometimes a nasty combination of both. The same for me, I don't listen any buzz, but everyone say a lot of bad-words about the noise! I guess I am loosing friends, hehehe. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Guess it's ok though, right now my service is suspended so I can't talk to anyone right now anyway lol. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: I realy like them
On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 12:43 PM, drac2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Jokes http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Jokes:-p -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/I-realy-like-them-tp1563210p1563210.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Hilarious! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Re : Receiving empty sms after registration
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 6:47 AM, François Rigaudie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Same problem for me with the same french operator. I receive those SMS (_@ or _/\@) when I have a message in my voice-mailbox. Clearly they should be interpreted by the phone to indicate that a new message is waiting to be listened. I also have duplication of SMS messages in my FR every time I register. I don't know if this operator uses special protocol with this empty SMS or if the FR should interpret them. Does anybody knows something about that ? -- *De :* Alexandre Girard [EMAIL PROTECTED] *À :* List for Openmoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org *Envoyé le :* Vendredi, 31 Octobre 2008, 13h03mn 33s *Objet :* Receiving empty sms after registration T-mobile USA has the same problem but ours come from 129 if I remember correctly. Also when you delete the message you'll get another one that also appears blank. This was tested on 2008.9 and FDOM based on 2008.8-update. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: For Sale: Neo Freerunner
This phone is still for sale. Lowering price to $300 OBO. I'll include shipping inside the continental US. Thanks! shawn sullivan wrote: Gang, I'm selling my 850Mhz Neo Freerunner. This was part of the 10 pack that we bought, so it has the extra goodies. This will include: Phone wired headset neoprene case 512 card stylus charger usb connector for computer Full Body Invisible Protector (currently applied to the phone) There is absolutely nothing wrong with the phone. There is not a scratch on either the screen or the body. I simply don't have time to dedicate to it. I'm in Colorado at 80226. I would prefer to ship this only within the US. I'm asking $350. Please email me off list if you are interested or have questions. thanks! . . .Shawn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
For Sale: Neo Freerunner
Gang, I'm selling my 850Mhz Neo Freerunner. This was part of the 10 pack that we bought, so it has the extra goodies. This will include: Phone wired headset neoprene case 512 card stylus charger usb connector for computer Full Body Invisible Protector (currently applied to the phone) There is absolutely nothing wrong with the phone. There is not a scratch on either the screen or the body. I simply don't have time to dedicate to it. I'm in Colorado at 80226. I would prefer to ship this only within the US. I'm asking $350. Please email me off list if you are interested or have questions. thanks! . . .Shawn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTA03 - buttons or touchscreen
I vote for option 3 (everything else on the market is now a touch screen, we can't take a step back) JW wrote: Ok Community, vote and tell OM what you want for the next phone [also realise this is still a long time away and Freerunner is available to buy now!] 1) touchscreen (no qwerty buttons) - freerunner, HTC Orbit, iphone 2) qwerty keyboard and tracker ball - blackberry curve 3) combination touchscreen plus qwerty - G1 *** Please don't write endless pages about why - just indicate which one YOU want. *** For myself my vote is 1) no, my HTC orbit experience was horrible (yes, i realise there are better) 2) yes, my preferred user input method - intuitive, fast, flexible 3) no, i think combo is too much to ask from OM right now ciao JW ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTA03 - buttons or touchscreen
On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 9:39 AM, JW [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1) touchscreen (no qwerty buttons) - freerunner, HTC Orbit, iphone 2) qwerty keyboard and tracker ball - blackberry curve 3) combination touchscreen plus qwerty - G1 Would prefer 3, touchscreen plus KB, but only if it doesn't make the phone bulky. Otherwise touchscreen only is good enough. Should plan on switching to multi-touch rather than resistive as soon as chips to do that become available. It's important to keep the high-res touchscreen. And it would be nice to also have more buttons, e.g. green and red buttons (hangup/esc and answer/dial). ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Android open sourced
Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 07:43:00PM -0600, Shawn prjktdtnt Thompson wrote: people who I do not have their number memorized and it is almost impossible to text via finger on 200x.x. I would love to see a good keyboard, reliable SMS and phone calls, at that point I'll be more than satisfied with my investment, right now I'm happy but feel that things have a long way to go. After understanding the predictiveness and creating a portuguese dictionary, I haven't ever written an SMS *ever*since* with a stylus, just the finger... Rui I understand the predictive keyboard and have it mastered with a stylus but it is still insane, sadly when it comes to SMS I'd say that IMO the iPhone wins, I'd be happier wit a number pad like the dialer that just did T9 input frankly. Also to find a contact since the scrolling never works with the use of a finger I have to whip out my stylus to scroll down to who I want to call, if I don't have their # memorized. I love my FreeRunner don't get me wrong but those two things drive me up a wall so quickly that on occasion if I know it's going to be a day filled with lots of SMSing I have been known to grab my old Samsung T409 cause I can text so much faster on it, but that's rare cause I much prefer using my OM. -Shawn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Debian] installer script
Matthew Lane wrote: Hey all, I'm trying to install Debian on the freerunner using the install.sh script. I keep getting stuck at Calling ioctl() to re-read partition table. and then my script exits. I've tried individually installing, but after the install step the script fails to install. I've added a u-boot environment boot option to lower the clock to 10,000,000 as instructed on the bug report here: https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1743 After booting with this option, without going into suspend, and after killing qpe: DASH_BINSH=false SD_PART1_FS=vfat ./install.sh all The script terminates after the partition stage. I'm using a SanDisk 8GB uSDHC card. I'm using the latest GTA02v5_and_up NAND u-boot. I think I remember seeing some more instructions, but I can't seem to find them anywhere. Anyone have an idea of how to proceed from here? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Have you tried on the 512MB that the majority of FreeRunner's ship with? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [FDOM] charging problem?
Matthew Lane wrote: I'm running FDOM and I'm trying to charge off the wall charger, but my AUX light doesn't light up, and my battery meter doesn't change to the bolt; essentially my phone won't charge. It will, however, charge from the computer. Is this a known issue? Also, I have posted three times about the Debian installer script and have gotten no replies, does ANYONE know anything about this script before I try to personally e-mail the guys that wrote it? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community same problem with 2008.9 release updated using opkg although even when connected to PC it shows that it is not connecting although the force charging shell script reports it is charging. -Shawn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: consider buying Neo Freerunner
William Kenworthy wrote: No, you are in the vast majority I think - those who can reliably make phone and sms calls are in the minority - if they even exist. BillK ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Those of use using reliably are minority but we do exist. Occasionally the phone will coma on me and require a hard restart (remove battery and reinsert) but this happens less than once a week in most cases. -Shawn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Debian] installer script
Matthew Lane wrote: No, I have not tried the 512mb card (it's at home and I'm at college). I'm not sure how to do what you're talking about arne, but you're suggesting that I can install a base system and put Debian on that? Can you point me in the correct direction? He was saying if you had your 512 to install debian on the 512 and the copy the data from that to your 8gb card -Shawn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Android open sourced
Jim Morris wrote: Cédric Berger wrote: Here we are http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2008/10/android-open-source-cell-phone.html time to port to Neo ! Maybe we should setup a Neo branch on Androids GIT, and start to collaborate on the port? Anyone else interested? I'm no programmer but I'd love to test out daily builds and report back my findings. -Shawn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Google Android on Neo Freerunner?
Jake Beard wrote: Hi, this is my first post to the list. Now that Google has released the source code of Android, are there any plans to port it to the Neo Freerunner? Thanks, Jake ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Jake, There's already a whole thread about this titled Android open sourced. It appears that talks about porting have already started. -Shawn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Android open sourced
Sam Kuper wrote: 2008/10/21 The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] you'd probably need to port androids display system to run under x11. ie a android window/surface == x11 window. also emulate any other things via icccm/netwm etc. this would actually be cool. you can run any desktop you like (2007.x matchbox style, e+illume, xfce... or anything else AND run android app AND run qt apps AND run gtk apps.. AND EFL, AND java... AND C#/mono, AND...) That sounds awesome. If this worked, and was stable, the OpenMoko phones could become the ultimate pocket devices: more flexible than the phones designed for (and quite possibly limited to) Android. The scope for increasing one's productivity with such a monster is great indeed, and given that it's this kind of potential for productivity increases that draws me to PDAs, I'm pretty excited by the prospect. spk ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community The biggest question I have is would we finally get a decent keyboard for finger usage? I have to use a stylus even to just make calls to people who I do not have their number memorized and it is almost impossible to text via finger on 200x.x. I would love to see a good keyboard, reliable SMS and phone calls, at that point I'll be more than satisfied with my investment, right now I'm happy but feel that things have a long way to go. -Shawn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: consider buying Neo Freerunner
Not everyone has those problems, I experienced those problems only a couple times myself but not every call. I actually use mine daily and rarely switch back to my old phone. Only on days where battery life is crucial (such as long road trips without a car charger) although even that is rare for me. -Shawn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I consider buying Neo Freerunner, and would like to use it with Debian (since its what I have on my PC). I intend to use it as my primary cellphone and not merely as PDA. My problem is the Hardware bugs, mainly concerning audio quality during call, listed here http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_Hardware_Issues#Poor_Audio_Quality : # Caller hears a loud echo of their own voice #1267 # Buzzing noise caused by GSM radio interference #883 #1352 My question is - would those hardware bugs be fixed in some revision of GTA2 or do I have to wait until GTA3? If it is going to be fixed in GTA2 how long could it presumably take before new revision will be available for purchase, and if not, the same question regarding presumable release of GTA3? If neither option will be availabe soon - do you know some alternatives - a smartphone with option to install debian on it, so it could be usable? I ask because of this recent post: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Improving_user_experience#Overview : Won't work on om2007 stack. Won't do hardware. thank you in advance Zeev ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Back to the basics: improving user experience
Paul wrote: I agree. Having a solid functional phone is the prime objective. Paul I second this. Right now, I am frustrated because I miss probably half my calls because the phone freezes coming out of suspend. . . . shawn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: numptyphisics
Previdi Roberto wrote: Hello community. I have a non technical but important question: is there a way to reset a screen of the numptyphisics game when you have filled it with heavy rocks and there is no more chance to put the red in the yellow or viceversa? A secondary question is: is there a way to make a calibration of the pen input? because often i found that the point i draw is shifted of nearly 1 millimeter from the pen, and it's very difficult to press the little arrow to change screen :) btw, many compliments to the author/authors of this fantastic game, maybe if nobody is on it i will try to read the code and see if i can make something for it.. roby ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Roby, If you have installed the raster type keyboard (with the qwerty button in the upper left) then hit qwerty and then when the keyboard pops up hit the letter 'r' and you should be good to go. -Shawn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: gsmhandset state file to test
David Samblas wrote: Hi there on of our colleges[1] of the spanish list has provided us with an gsmhanset state file that solves low volume on call reciver , I have barelly tested it alone with a phone en each ear :). I will test it further along the day and post the results, any one else willing to try is wellcome to do it. from neo or ssh console cd /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/ mv gsmhandset.state gsmhandset.state.original wget http://n2.nabble.com/attachment/1129707/0/gsmhandset.state [1]The original post http://n2.nabble.com/-Fwd%3A-eco-y-audio--tc1129707ef1958.html ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community People aren't having any problems hearing me with this state file but I can't hear anything on the already quiet speaker. -Shawn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [debian] Top bar does not appear
Denis Galvão wrote: On 02/10/2008, at 16:53, arne anka wrote: no. but fso has it's own life independent of debian -- otoh debian on fr makes only sense when using fso. So, the FSO are a bunch o deb packages for Debian to communicate with the Dbus. Right? well, it _is_ a bit confusing, but the wiki has at least one page explaining the different terms and their relationships. Im really eating the wiki, maybe this why Im confused. Will continue learning... Thanks, -- Denis Galvão AsteriskBrasil.org Ajude a comunidade AsteriskBrasil.org, compre uma camiseta! http://www.voipmania.com.br ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community I'll go down the list to give a quick overview where possible. FSO is a framework distribution. It is not actually related to debian specifically. Debian made its port of the armv4 branch compatible and added the FSO packages to make it run on the FR. FSO can actually be run as it's own system without Debian installed. OM200X.Y are distributions focused more on creating the UI for the phone. If it can be done in FSO it might not be in OM and vice-versa. The other distributions haven't come up in this thread so I'll not add any additional confusion by talking about any other software for the phone. -Shawn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: dead battery
Vince M. Clark wrote: No it is definitely the power button (the round one below the usb plug) staying lit red. I'm running the FSO image. - Original Message - From: Angus Ainslie [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: List for Openmoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org Sent: Thursday, October 2, 2008 12:28:19 PM (GMT-0700) America/Denver Subject: Re: dead battery On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 12:04 PM, Vince M. Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I ran down to Batteries Plus and picked up a Rayovac replacement that fits. It doesn't come charged but has enough charge to at least jump start my fr. I put in the new battery, plugged in the usb cable, and was able to boot. Then I took out the Rayovac battery and put the original battery back in. Device stayed running and I am hoping the battery is charging. The power button is staying illuminated and is red. Any idea what that means? I think you mean the AUX button is staying lit. That means its charging. The power button is the round one. Angus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community If you're running FSO the Power button turns orange while charging where in ASU the AUX button lights while charging. -Shawn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: dead battery
Vince M. Clark wrote: My battery is completely drained so I cannot boot to charge it. The following thread offered three possible solutions: http://n2.nabble.com/Can%27t-boot-Freerunner-without-battery---Was:-Re:-unable-to-start-up-freerunner-after-batterie-was-full-down-td526783.html Does anyone know where I can get an external charger that will work with the Freerunner battery? Vince Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] (303) 493-6723 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Vince, When my battery died I plugged my phone into the OpenMoko supplied charger, started it using NOR boot, leaving it at the boot menu until it timed out (repeat that twice) then I was about to select boot from the NOR menu and after a few extra seconds the phone booted. -Shawn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: dead battery
Vince M. Clark wrote: Thanks Shawn. I have tried NOR boot (holding aux button while pressing power button, then releasing aux button.) I cannot even get that far. I'm going to leave it plugged into the wall charger overnight and see what happens. In the meantime i ordered an after market Nokia battery charger. They are cheap but it looks like it may take a week or so to get it. - Original Message - From: Shawn \prjktdtnt\ Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: List for Openmoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 5:31:17 PM (GMT-0700) America/Denver Subject: Re: dead battery Vince M. Clark wrote: My battery is completely drained so I cannot boot to charge it. The following thread offered three possible solutions: http://n2.nabble.com/Can%27t-boot-Freerunner-without-battery---Was:-Re:-unable-to-start-up-freerunner-after-batterie-was-full-down-td526783.html Does anyone know where I can get an external charger that will work with the Freerunner battery? Vince Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] (303) 493-6723 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Vince, When my battery died I plugged my phone into the OpenMoko supplied charger, started it using NOR boot, leaving it at the boot menu until it timed out (repeat that twice) then I was about to select boot from the NOR menu and after a few extra seconds the phone booted. -Shawn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community When trying to get into NOR do you already have it plugged into your charger? That is how I was able to finally get mine to boot, you only need the actual OpenMoko charger until it starts up then you can use whatever USB charger you prefer. Just plug into wall-socket and phone, start NOR twice, viola. -Shawn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: dead battery
Vince M. Clark wrote: Yes. I have my fr plugged into the OpenMoko wall charger. Then I try NOR boot but nothing happens. I have tried NOR boot plugged in and not plugged in. - Original Message - From: Shawn \prjktdtnt\ Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: List for Openmoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 5:37:22 PM (GMT-0700) America/Denver Subject: Re: dead battery Vince M. Clark wrote: Thanks Shawn. I have tried NOR boot (holding aux button while pressing power button, then releasing aux button.) I cannot even get that far. I'm going to leave it plugged into the wall charger overnight and see what happens. In the meantime i ordered an after market Nokia battery charger. They are cheap but it looks like it may take a week or so to get it. - Original Message - From: Shawn \prjktdtnt\ Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: List for Openmoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 5:31:17 PM (GMT-0700) America/Denver Subject: Re: dead battery Vince M. Clark wrote: My battery is completely drained so I cannot boot to charge it. The following thread offered three possible solutions: http://n2.nabble.com/Can%27t-boot-Freerunner-without-battery---Was:-Re:-unable-to-start-up-freerunner-after-batterie-was-full-down-td526783.html Does anyone know where I can get an external charger that will work with the Freerunner battery? Vince Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] (303) 493-6723 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Vince, When my battery died I plugged my phone into the OpenMoko supplied charger, started it using NOR boot, leaving it at the boot menu until it timed out (repeat that twice) then I was about to select boot from the NOR menu and after a few extra seconds the phone booted. -Shawn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community When trying to get into NOR do you already have it plugged into your charger? That is how I was able to finally get mine to boot, you only need the actual OpenMoko charger until it starts up then you can use whatever USB charger you prefer. Just plug into wall-socket and phone, start NOR twice, viola. -Shawn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Odd. Sadly that is the only way I was able to get mine going again, would be nice to see a patch that corrects the issue somehow so that people don't have to use workarounds in the future. -Shawn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: dead battery
Sarton O'Brien wrote: On Wednesday 01 October 2008 09:45:08 Shawn prjktdtnt Thompson wrote: Odd. Sadly that is the only way I was able to get mine going again, would be nice to see a patch that corrects the issue somehow so that people don't have to use workarounds in the future. -Shawn I don't think it is as complicated as that. I think it's merely the amount of charge the FR is able to negotiate when powered off. Depending on the level of 'dead' determines how long you need to trickle charge it before anything useful occurs. I'd say battery maintenance and usage patterns may contribute also. From what I have seen on this list, I don't think this situation will change in a hurry, if ever. Sarton ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community What I had meant is that I hope they find away to allow 1000mA charging while powered off so that you don't have to let it tricle charge for the entire night to power it on at only partial power. Of all the phones I've owned none of them had this problem and it's probably the most annoying problem I can think of with the OpenMoko. Lucikly for me I'm the type to plug in my phone daily so it isn't a problem but I could see it becoming one in the future when more and more people start using the OpenMoko products. -Shawn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: dead battery
Vince M. Clark wrote: As long as it eventually comes back on I'm fine. I didn't realize that the wall charger would eventually get enough charge in the battery to boot it. My impression from the other thread was that once the battery was dead you were screwed without an external charger or extra battery. - Original Message - From: Sarton O'Brien [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: List for Openmoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 5:52:32 PM (GMT-0700) America/Denver Subject: Re: dead battery On Wednesday 01 October 2008 09:45:08 Shawn prjktdtnt Thompson wrote: Odd. Sadly that is the only way I was able to get mine going again, would be nice to see a patch that corrects the issue somehow so that people don't have to use workarounds in the future. -Shawn I don't think it is as complicated as that. I think it's merely the amount of charge the FR is able to negotiate when powered off. Depending on the level of 'dead' determines how long you need to trickle charge it before anything useful occurs. I'd say battery maintenance and usage patterns may contribute also. From what I have seen on this list, I don't think this situation will change in a hurry, if ever. Sarton ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Nope, don't need the external, but if it is flat dead to where NOR won't start you'll be a few hours (charges at 50mA IIRC) before you can even try again. -Shawn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Stable OM distro
Maciej Piechotka wrote: What's currently the most stable? I'd need to: - Entry pin (I haven't manage to do it in 2008.8 despite moving pen up) - Phone/Recive SMS - Have GPS/WiFi - Have USB Networking for initial setup FSO: Not stable (breakes calls, not recive sms etc.) 2008.8: Can't enter pin 2007.11: Breakes after update (cannot boot) celtune: usb0: no such device I had perfectly set-up phone but it had broken and I had it replaced. Regards Maciej, Have you given Qtopia a shot? Also try the trick with 2008 again, sometimes if you slide the pen up on the keyboard it doesn't register, took me a few tries to get it two switch keyboards. Also give FDOM a shot, it's like 2008 but has extra programs by default and the keyboard has an easier selection method. -Shawn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: email
nickd wrote: Have you tried to use the default Qtopia Messages client? I see it has room for emails but I havne't tested it myself. -Nick ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community I tried it myself, don't know if Bill has, and didn't get it to work right. It apparently has issues with SSL so it doesn't work with my google apps, wanted to start receiving the mailing lists to my phone but without SSL support it isn't possible. -Shawn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: email
W.Kenworthy wrote: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qtmail might help to get SSL working. BillK ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Worked like a charm for incoming, didn't check outbound though. -Shawn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: email
Well it was working perfectly but as Bill has pointed out this application is painfully slow, would it be possible to get thunderbird ported for mail and get a dedicated SMS app? -Shawn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [FDOM] new release 20080927
Peter Neubauer wrote: Hi there, trying to flash the new releases ...jffs as roofs, I get an exception not being able to flash from dfu-util and on the FreeRunner, End of write exceeds particion end. Anything in my setup that is wrong? /peter GTalk:neubauer.peter Skypepeter.neubauer ICQ18762544 Phone +46704 106975 LinkedIn http://www.linkedin.com/in/neubauer Twitter http://twitter.com/peterneubauer http://www.neo4j.org - New Energy for Data - the Graph Database. http://www.ops4j.org - New Energy for OSS Communities - Open Participation Software. http://www.qi4j.org- New Energy for Java - Domain Driven Development. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Might be writing it to the wrong alternative. Using dfu-util the alternative should be rootfs. Also make sure it is writing to the openmoko, there is the possibility, like with my laptop, that you'll have multiple dfu capable devices. -Shawn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New to Freerunner!!
Kishore wrote: Currently downloading image So i should use the same kernel image as the 2008.8 but only reflash the rootfs i presume? FDOM does look interesting. I flashed both myself and haven't had any major problems, every now and then I'll have to reboot or it may get stuck in suspend but nothing major and not often either. -Shawn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New to Freerunner!!
Kishore wrote: I am new to this community. I just got myself the freerunner a couple of days back. I am a fairly experienced user of Linux/Debian/Kubuntu on the desktop and this is my first experience with something like the freerunner. Anyway i am happy with the hardware and i have been through the wiki and am still trying to make my way through the amount of information available in there. The first thing i did after the free runner landed was i reflashed the firmware to the 2008.8. I have it boothing but i have not go tit to do anything useful. Wifi does not connect and the GPS does not work. There exists no filemanager/ media player by default and so essentially i still have nothing usable. I would appreciate anyone guiding me or pointing me to a location where i can get the needed information. What i need to being is 1) Get the wifi to connect. It currently invariably always says something like Error: Unable to connect to the network 2) Get my GPS working. TangoGPS says no GPS found and locations says unable to get a fix. 3) How do i exchange data between my PC and the FR so that i could push my MP3's and documents etc. 4) A good music player, web browser and PDF reader. Thanks to everyone who made this product what it is. Over the next couple of months i wish to have my Qt apps i've written for the desktop ported to this platform. In that regard i have not read anywhere about it but i hope the USB port operates in host mode and i would need it to interface with certain USB (1.1) hardware. Try flashing FDOM, has a lot of little fixes in it. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [2008.9] Getting rid of the bottom bar
Charles-Henri Gros wrote: The bottom bar is pretty useless and takes up valuable real estate. Is there a way to disable it? (I already managed to remove the installer from it) Thanks, Charles, I have been trying to find out the answer to this question for quite some time now. -Shawn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [2008.9] Getting rid of the bottom bar
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: On Wed, 24 Sep 2008 19:26:02 -0700 Charles-Henri Gros charles-henri.gros [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: The bottom bar is pretty useless and takes up valuable real estate. Is there a way to disable it? (I already managed to remove the installer from it) you would need to hide the theme elements for it but that wont make it not use space as the space is always allocated for it. this is what om's design wanted. they want those 3 boxes at the bottom of every screen. its part of the design. as such i should make all these things optional and probably into gadgets - i just didnt have the time to before to do it properly. With it being open I would have loved to have seen them modularize the entirety of it (including top/bottom bars. Maybe I want to move the menu to the bottom and remove the triple-box all-together? I'd like to see how to remove the bottom bar and use the extra space for everyday uses. Also illume-config doesn't allow me to set terminal keyboard as the default for texts so if the keyboard crashes (I'm using FDOM which is modified 2008.X) then it goes back to default instead of terminal. -Shawn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2008.9 Basic questions
Nishit Dave wrote: On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 5:03 PM, Nishit Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 4:55 PM, Fox Mulder [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When i ordered the phone the reseller said on the website that the phone isn't useable for daily use and is only for enthusiasts. And this information was everywhere in the net even at july when i ordered my phone. So don't say you didn't noticed this when you ordered your phone. Or did you just click-buy without researching anything about the things you want to buy? ;) See: http://www.idasystems.net/ and http://www.idasystems.net/freerunner They have updated the website, raised the FR's price (because they didn't figure out octroi earlier?) but still no mention of it not being usable for daily use. In fact, when I bought it, they had a 30 day return policy, which I did not invoke, considering I should support the effort and trust Openmoko to deliver. Now they seem to have removed the return policy. And by the way, what do Openmoko have to say about the FR? http://www.openmoko.com/product.html# The only (implied) warning one could have come across in the early days of the launch was the *Community Portal*, which is the wiki, saying that this was a developer release of the FR. So how many phone purchase decisions are made on the basis of a *community portal's* hint, when the corporate and reseller websites do not point out that it is an experimental device at all? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community I fail to see the purpose of this argument. With the right level of enthusiasm, a little configuration and remembering to plug it in when you're not there to manually suspend it, the phone works as a phone with 2008.8 just fine. I use mine every day and since receiving it have not turned on my old phone, not even once! Before I get flamed though I will state I am an avid Linux user. I am comfortable with command line or GUI, and actually tend to prefer the CLI. For those who are very new to Linux or are still scared of the command line might I suggest studying and becoming comfortable with CLI first for now since, until the software has been stabilized further, these complains will continue to exist. -Shawn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2008.9 Basic questions
Nishit Dave wrote: On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 5:15 PM, Shawn prjktdtnt Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I fail to see the purpose of this argument. With the right level of enthusiasm, a little configuration and remembering to plug it in when you're not there to manually suspend it, the phone works as a phone with 2008.8 just fine. I use mine every day and since receiving it have not turned on my old phone, not even once! More power to you! Before I get flamed though I will state I am an avid Linux user. I am comfortable with command line or GUI, and actually tend to prefer the CLI. For those who are very new to Linux or are still scared of the command line might I suggest studying and becoming comfortable with CLI first for now since, until the software has been stabilized further, these complains will continue to exist. I will wait avidly for the day, but I don't think I should be holding my breath. In the mean time, I hope the people at OM get their hands on a proper Linux phone, so they can see how really usable and bug-free it can be. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community I'd like to see one that isn't based heavily on Java other than openmoko. I had been waiting for this phone for 3 years because it just happened to be my forte. I know it's current usage as a phone can be daunting or limited but from the advancements I've seen just since I've started watching the community I can't wait to see what happens before the year is even over. Usability has improved, according to what I've read before I purchased my FR, by leaps and bounds in the past 6 months, I wait to see what the next 6 months hold. Also the OpenMoko software is going to change by leaps and bounds when FSO becomes stabilized. Software will have a base platform from which to build upon. It will be up to the developer to choose a front end and a language but the calls will all go to dbus. I do agree, the people who run that vendor's site SHOULD state it is still a developer centric release as of right now but there's nothing that will change what has already happened. If you're not impressed then please submit bug reports, feature requests, etc to the mailing lists, bug tracker or even the IRC chat. If there's one thing I have learned since joining the OpenMoko community, it is that people love to help in any way they can. I have worked with two developers so far to work on making a gui for flashing or managing your openmoko. I haven't contributed much code if any but I was just happy to help. Isn't that the point of open source and free software, /to share the knowledge you have with someone who has knowledge you might not/? -Shawn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: NeoTool v1.1 is available
Tomasz Melcer wrote: On 2008-09-17, Dale Maggee wrote: - Backup has been radically enhanced, and now supports configurable backup filenames, as well as the ability to backup everything via a combination of the mkfs-jffs2 and dfu -U methods. Does the dfu upload work for you? I tried to do some uploads, but either dfu-util returned an error, or even if it didn't, the backup was unusable --- there were filesystem errors after flashing FR with them. Tomasz Melcer ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Tomasz, From what I remember reading, somewhere in the wiki, that dfu-util has a bug in the upload feature currently that causes that. -Shawn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [FDOM 080909] - Suspend not working
Linus Gasser wrote: Hello list, I'm trying to get my phone into suspend mode, and out of it. But for the moment it seems it doesn't even get into it. If I ssh into it and do # apm --suspend the log (in /var/log/messages) shows me: Sep 17 06:41:19 om-gta02 daemon.notice apmd[1343]: Suspending now Sep 17 06:41:19 om-gta02 user.notice root: AtChat : N : +CREG: 0 Sep 17 06:41:20 om-gta02 user.notice root: AtChat : N : %CSQ: 99, 99, 0 Sep 17 06:41:21 om-gta02 user.notice root: AtChat : N : +CREG: 1,0064,0402 Sep 17 06:41:23 om-gta02 user.notice root: AtChat : N : %CSQ: 20, 99, 2 Sep 17 06:41:34 om-gta02 user.notice root: AtChat : N : +CREG: 1,0064,03FD Sep 17 06:41:37 om-gta02 user.notice root: AtChat : N : %CSQ: 15, 99, 1 Sep 17 06:41:57 om-gta02 user.notice root: AtChat : N : +CREG: 1,0064,03FF Sep 17 06:42:05 om-gta02 user.notice root: AtChat : N : %CSQ: 18, 99, 2 Sep 17 06:42:29 om-gta02 authpriv.info dropbear[1615]: Child connection from 192.168.0.200:50413 Sep 17 06:42:31 om-gta02 user.notice root: AtChat : N : %CSQ: 99, 99, 0 Sep 17 06:42:31 om-gta02 user.notice root: AtChat : N : +CREG: 0 Sep 17 06:42:34 om-gta02 user.notice root: AtChat : N : +CREG: 1,0064,0402 Sep 17 06:42:36 om-gta02 user.notice root: AtChat : N : %CSQ: 20, 99, 2 Sep 17 06:42:52 om-gta02 user.notice root: AtChat : N : %CSQ: 99, 99, 0 Sep 17 06:42:52 om-gta02 user.notice root: AtChat : N : +CREG: 0 Sep 17 06:42:55 om-gta02 user.notice root: AtChat : N : +CREG: 1,0064,0402 Sep 17 06:42:57 om-gta02 user.notice root: AtChat : N : %CSQ: 20, 99, 2 Which seems to me like the modem doesn't want to go into suspend-mode. Does anybody have any clue? The kernel is # uname -a Linux om-gta02 2.6.24 #1 PREEMPT Wed Sep 3 19:01:18 CST 2008 armv4tl unknown Thanks for any help that doesn't include download newest FDOM, as internet is expensive and very slow here... Linus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community If you have GPRS turned on you may want to try turning that off, that is the only known issue I can think of. -Shawn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: NeoTool v1.1 is available
Dale Maggee wrote: I've been hard at work again, and a new version my utility is now available... I've renamed it (again) to NeoTool. Download it from [1] I've also created a wiki page for it at [2], and linked to it from the Flash and Backup wiki pages. Major new features include: - Support for multiple DFU-capable devices - you'll see a menu asking you to choose which device if you have more than one attached - Backup has been radically enhanced, and now supports configurable backup filenames, as well as the ability to backup everything via a combination of the mkfs-jffs2 and dfu -U methods. There are also other improvements and changes which are documented on the wiki page. [1] http://users.on.net/~antisol/neotool [2] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/NeoTool enjoy! -Dale ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Dale, This is some great work! Thank you for letting me work with you on this to support multiple devices. -Shawn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Fast dfu-util for Mac?
Abdelrazak, I would love to know how to make it act in this manner, I'd love to not wait so long to finish flashing some days. -Shawn Abdelrazak Younes wrote: Shawn prjktdtnt Thompson wrote: Linus, 15 minutes is average for flashing my FR with anything I've tried so far. From what I found on the wiki the device is only USB1.1 so it isn't going to get any faster than that until a revision which moves to USB2.0. Well, 97MB is 776Mbit, USB1.1 is capable of either 1.5 Mbit/s (Low-Speed) and 12 Mbit/s (Full-Speed). So flashing it should take less than 9 minutes with low speed and a bit more than a minute with full-speed. Maybe I am wrong but my conclusion is that the Freerunner only use the low speed protocol of USB. If I am right, there is room to get 8 times faster on Linux too. Abdel. -Shawn Linus Gasser wrote: Hello all, another question: if I boot the jffs from FDOM (97MB), it takes nearly 15 minutes on my Mac with the dfu-util from http://www.dsitri.de/wiki.php?page=Openmoko%20Flasher I heard somebody complain about the same issue on Windows. Is there another solution than to install Linux on my Mac? Anybody? Linus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Startup/Xstart image replacement (How to remove the boots?!)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, The boot splash should be flashed in its own partition. It was mentioned on the -devel list that it is apparently going to be part of the next upgrade. I posted the link to that message on the list last week IIRC, suggesting to add it to the zenity interface. Minh ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Minh, That is the u-boot splash image that is on its own partition, not the kernel's bootsplash or x-start-splash. -Shawn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Startup/Xstart image replacement (How to remove the boots?!)
Minh Ha Duong wrote: Le mardi 16 septembre 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : Wasn't that info already in http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Splash_screen ? Yes. The wiki is not searchable and findable enough, both Shawn and I missed that page. Minh Minh, I saw that page and flashed a new image to the u-boot's splash but I cannot find how to rid my phone of the boots and make my own. -Shawn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FDOM -- Gestures program not working?
Kelvie Wong wrote: In the latest (20080913) FDOM, it comes with a Gestures program; but I haven't been able to get it to train any gestures. Is anyone else seeing this problem? Anyone know the root cause (or a fix?) I can choose an item, and it will ask me to make the gesture, but no matter how much I shake it, it will not respond. Take a look at the gestures page on the wiki, you have to manually start the gestures daemons from what I remember. -Shawn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Predictive keyboard not actually predictive?
Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: On Sun, Sep 14, 2008 at 12:07:52PM +0200, Neil Jerram wrote: Hello everyone, this is my first openmoko email, so please be gentle! It seems clear to me that the so-called predictive keyboard is not actually predictive at all; it is actually fuzzy, in terms of how it maps your stylus or finger position to a set of possible intended letters. In particular, surely this text in the wiki - The word recognition will try to guess the next inputs and displays the word it thinks you want to write. - is just nonsense, isn't it? I've never seen it guess at any letters beyond those that I've already pressed. I'm ready to register and update the wiki to say something closer to reality - but I just want to check first that I'm not missing or misunderstanding something. I actually think of it as restrictive instead of predictive because it only allows me to write what it thinks I want, and should give up as soon as it couldn't match a word. Having to wait 2s per letter for it to write what I want instead of what it thinks I want sucks :) Rui I'd have to agree with Rui, I've installed FDOM which has raster's terminal keyboard so I just don't worry about it anymore -Shawn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: DFUScript v0.1 - Script to help flashing
Dale, I would be honored to see my code used in a project that serves a wider audience. I wrote the script mainly for my own use and figured I would submit it as a community project for those who wanted to use and/or improve upon it. To find multiple DFU devices I would have to type dfu-util -l then pass dfu-util -d hexcode -a alternate -R -D imagefile.bin or some similar command to flash my device. Now I type ./dfuscript device alternate file.bin which takes me about half of what it did since I no longer need to list to grab the hex or type in additional arguments such as -R or -D. The hex codes should be static for all Neo1973 or Neo FreeRunners as far as I'm aware. If anyone knows otherwise please correct me. I think that adding the option to select your device type and then what images you would like to update would be great, a setup menu, as you suggested, would work for this also. One feature I would love to see is the option you mentioned of updating multiple sections at once. Ex: if I have a new kernel and rootfs, instead of doing them separately I would be able to select, via a checkbox instead of radio-button, both of them, select each file, confirm that is what I want to flash to each section and finally be advised that I should power into NAND/NOR and press ok for it to loop through each section. My script doesn't have this ability but it was something I considered as it would make life quite a bit faster in that regard. If I knew more about coding I would love to contribute additional code but for now all I can offer is what I have done so far. If any of my code could be useful to your script please use it. The fact that two open source fans can build upon each-other's work is why I love and back open-source wherever I can. I'm looking forward to seeing more improvements to the gui and hopefully eventually seeing my script being made completely obsolete or even integrated into your program in some form. -Shawn prjktdtnt Thompson Dale Maggee wrote: Shawn, I don't have multiple devices which support DFU, but I'd love to add support for this in my utility, so can you give me some advice on how this might work? - is there a way to list attached devices which are DFU-capable? - how are these hex codes obtained? - since you have them hardcoded, I assume they're an identifier code which is the same for all FR's and all 1973s (i.e the code identifies the type of device)? - is the hex code an argument you always need to pass if you're flashing a 1973 (i.e if you only have 1 device attached and it's a 1973, do you still need to give it the hex code or does it detect the 1973 and flash it without the hex code)? One thought which might be the easiest method is to implement it as an item in the 'setup' menu which allows you to choose between a freerunner and a 1973 and provides the appropriate hex code. but it would be nice if I could detect that you have 2 devices attached and show an 'which device do you want to flash?' screen with a list of detected devices. this way if you only have one device attached it doesn't matter whether it's a 1973 or a freerunner. I am planning on adding command line support for my script, which should make you happy. I may 'borrow' some of your code to implement this ;) I will also add a 'flashing u-boot on a 1973 may give you a paperweight' warning to my tool. I should probably also change all references to 'freerunner' in my script to say 'neo'. as for the 'only have 30 seconds' thing, this is why I have the 'now is the time to turn on your device and activate the nand/nor menu' screen - the idea is that you select your desired flashing option, then get into the nand/nor menu on your device, then press OK and it starts. this is also why I included the ability to flash multiple images at once - so that for example you can flash rootfs and kernel without having the thing power off while you're typing the second command [I also type quicker than I click, but I don't do either particularly quickly ;) ] Shawn prjktdtnt Thompson wrote: Minh, I am aware of Dale's work but if you have multiple devices that support DFU then the gui will error out. I have seen the UI and it does look very promising. I may stop using my script and go back to Dale's gui when it supports the ability to select a specific device. I am kind of a CLI enthusiast because I type much faster than I can click, which is good when you've only got 30 seconds to issue a command. Thanks for the suggestion, I will add the link now. -Shawn Minh Ha Duong wrote: Shawn: are you aware of Dale's work ? May I suggest also a link to the script's page from: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_the_Neo_FreeRunner#A_script_to_do_all_this_from_a_nice_GUI... Minh ___ Openmoko community mailing list
Re: DFUScript v0.1 - Script to help flashing
Dale, After looking at the source I may actually be able to assist in adding some of the code. I have work today so it would have to be later on. Also a suggestion is instead of telling someone to turn on their device and press ok, allow them to also cancel this action (for people like me who are only testing the program) ;) First here is the hex codes to select: Freerunner: 0x1d50:0x5119 Neo1973: 0x1457:0x5119 Flash kernel on freerunner: dfu-util -d 0x1d50:0x5119 -a kernel -R -D ./kernel.image.bin The output of dfu-util -l looks like this (the hardware you see is not my phone but my laptop's built in bluetooth). dfu-util - (C) 2007 by OpenMoko Inc. This program is Free Software and has ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY Found Runtime: [0x413c:0x8126] devnum=0, cfg=0, intf=3, alt=0, name=UNDEFINED I'll look through the source of your gui and see what I can add in terms of selecting multiple devices and such. Will it add only the Neo1973 and Freerunner or allow it to do any listed device but just have the freerunner and neo1973 auto recognize? For me the reason I hard coded mine is because I am horrible with regex ;) Hope this info helps. -Shawn Dale Maggee wrote: Shawn, replies inline. Shawn prjktdtnt Thompson wrote: Dale, I would be honored to see my code used in a project that serves a wider audience. I wrote the script mainly for my own use and figured I would submit it as a community project for those who wanted to use and/or improve upon it. hehe, same here - I modified the original script for my own use, and decided to put it out there. fortunately for the 'wider audience' you mention, I'm part of that wider audience insofar as I'm have been known to make stupid mistakes every now and then, and I like to protect myself from them! When I say 'Idiot-proofing', I'm usually talking about myself! ;) To find multiple DFU devices I would have to type dfu-util -l then pass dfu-util -d hexcode -a alternate -R -D imagefile.bin or some similar command to flash my device. Now I type ./dfuscript device alternate file.bin which takes me about half of what it did since I no longer need to list to grab the hex or type in additional arguments such as -R or -D. The hex codes should be static for all Neo1973 or Neo FreeRunners as far as I'm aware. If anyone knows otherwise please correct me. thanks for the info. Adding this to my utility will be a priority once I get the dfu-util -l output from Bill (you could send it too if you like) I think that adding the option to select your device type and then what images you would like to update would be great, a setup menu, as you suggested, would work for this also. have you checked out the latest version of my utility? see [1]. The current version has a setup menu already, I'm thinking that this would be the place to put this option. but if dfu-util -l gives hex codes I'll make it an option which will appear if multiple dfu-capable devices are attached, and it will list the devices and allow you to choose which one to flash. One feature I would love to see is the option you mentioned of updating multiple sections at once. Ex: if I have a new kernel and rootfs, instead of doing them separately I would be able to select, via a checkbox instead of radio-button, both of them, select each file, confirm that is what I want to flash to each section and finally be advised that I should power into NAND/NOR and press ok for it to loop through each section. My script doesn't have this ability but it was something I considered as it would make life quite a bit faster in that regard. This is exactly what my utility does - it has checkboxes instead of radio buttons, you choose what to flash, then the file(s) you want to flash, then it shows you a confirmation screen which also advises you to go to NAND/NOR, you press OK, and it flashes everything you chose. my tool is (now very loosely) based on the script by rorschach. This is the one which had radio buttons. I suspect that you're thinking of his script and not my version. The reason I modified it was to be able to flash multiple images at once... Then I kept thinking of other things to add ;) (the original list of things I did to rorschach's script can be found at [2]) if you can make it through all my rambling at [1], you'll see that I make mention of being able to use my tool via the command-line. This would also support flashing multiple files at once I envision something like this: frutil --flash kernel=/path/to/kernelfile.bin rootfs=/path/to/rootfsfile.jffs2 splash=/path/to/splashfile.tar.gz If I knew more about coding I would love to contribute additional code but for now all I can offer is what I have done so far. If any of my code could be useful to your script please use
Re: DFUScript v0.1 - Script to help flashing
Minh, I am aware of Dale's work but if you have multiple devices that support DFU then the gui will error out. I have seen the UI and it does look very promising. I may stop using my script and go back to Dale's gui when it supports the ability to select a specific device. I am kind of a CLI enthusiast because I type much faster than I can click, which is good when you've only got 30 seconds to issue a command. Thanks for the suggestion, I will add the link now. -Shawn Minh Ha Duong wrote: Shawn: are you aware of Dale's work ? May I suggest also a link to the script's page from: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_the_Neo_FreeRunner#A_script_to_do_all_this_from_a_nice_GUI... Minh ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko planet language.
Maciej, In other words you'd like to be able to pull versions of planet that are english only or french only, etc, etc? I would like to second that motion if it is possible, I only read the english posts since all the rest are nothing I understand at all. -Shawn Maciej Ligenza wrote: Hi all, Would it be possible to make openmoko planet an aggregation of feeds in english language? Or possibly there could be introduced feeds like: planet.openmoko.org/en/rss20.xml, planet.openmoko.org/de/rss20.xml and planet.openmoko.org/rss20.xml to aggregate them all. I'm not capable of reading in german or french so posts in these languages (not to mention ?chineese?) are cluttering the channel for me. I want to make clear that I don't suggest that these are worthless. In addition to that channel descritpion in planet.openmoko.org/rss20.xml states that the channel is in english language. thanks Maciek ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
DFUScript v0.1 - Script to help flashing
Community, I got a little bored today and somewhat inspired to write a script to help those flashing their freerunner or 1973 often. dfu-utils has to have a -d argument if you have multiple DFU capable devices on your computer. I got tired of typing out the -d and hex code or copy and paste so I wrote a nifty script that does that part of it for you. To use this script just login to your linux-machine as root and make sure that dfu-utils is in your path, if not go ahead and edit the PATH= line by appending :/path/to/your/script/folder to the end of that line. Example usage: ./dfuscript.sh fr kernel uImage-something.image.bin Please note this does NOT check to see if you are using a valid .image.bin, .bin, or .jffs2 so make sure that all file names are correct before pressing enter. The script will be on GForge soon but for now the script is available at http://projektenterprises.com/openmoko/dfuscript.sh -Shawn prjktdtnt Thompson ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: DFUScript v0.1 - Script to help flashing
Quick update: Thanks to Rod Whitby (rwhitby) I corrected some errors on the wiki page and the script itself (FreeRunner not subject to being bricked by u-boot update, etc). The new updated script can be downloaded from http://projects.openmoko.org/projects/dfuscript/ A wiki page with documentation has also been added at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/DFUScript Thanks, Shawn prjktdtnt Thompson Shawn Thompson wrote: Community, I got a little bored today and somewhat inspired to write a script to help those flashing their freerunner or 1973 often. dfu-utils has to have a -d argument if you have multiple DFU capable devices on your computer. I got tired of typing out the -d and hex code or copy and paste so I wrote a nifty script that does that part of it for you. To use this script just login to your linux-machine as root and make sure that dfu-utils is in your path, if not go ahead and edit the PATH= line by appending :/path/to/your/script/folder to the end of that line. Example usage: ./dfuscript.sh fr kernel uImage-something.image.bin Please note this does NOT check to see if you are using a valid .image.bin, .bin, or .jffs2 so make sure that all file names are correct before pressing enter. The script will be on GForge soon but for now the script is available at http://projektenterprises.com/openmoko/dfuscript.sh -Shawn prjktdtnt Thompson ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
850Mhz Neo Freerunner for sale in Colorado
I have 1 850Mhz Neo Freerunner from a 10 pack that I am now needing to sell. This has never been taken out of the box, and will come with the pouch and the headset (plus all the regular phone stuff). $370 + shipping. I'm in Denver, Colorado and can make deliveries to the Denver metro area. Please email me off list with questions! Thanks. . . .Shawn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FDOM (FAT and Dirty Openmoko) Distribution ready to download
David, This looks like a great image idea for having a prepackaged all-in-one. The only problem I found is that for some reason I kept getting kernel panics so I'm back off to stock OM2008.8 for now but will try downloading and flashing again tonight. -Shawn David Samblas wrote: Hi there, you have aviable on http://compartida.net/openmoko/FDOM a rootfs/kenel image ready to flash of an OM2008.08-updates distribution with some apps already installed and some fixes posted in the lists done. here you have more detailed information http://compartida.net/openmoko/FDOM/README.txt I recommend you to use wget -c to retrieve the files because of the server seems to cut the connection time to time, a most robust mirror is on the way Sugesstions , comments, and anything else will be welcome Regards and a hug David Samblas ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FDOM (FAT and Dirty Openmoko) Distribution ready to download
Tomas, I'm pretty sure I would have caught it if I had just compared MD5's lol. Going to re-download when I get home where there is more bandwidth and then try again. Also added GPRS to my T-Mobile account tonight so we'll see if I can get that working too :). -Shawn Tomas Riveros Schober wrote: I used to have kernel panics too, and it was due to an incomplete download on my side. finished the download with wget -c and flashed again and everything was working great. hope its something like that and you solve your issue Shawn Thompson escribió: David, This looks like a great image idea for having a prepackaged all-in-one. The only problem I found is that for some reason I kept getting kernel panics so I'm back off to stock OM2008.8 for now but will try downloading and flashing again tonight. -Shawn David Samblas wrote: Hi there, you have aviable on http://compartida.net/openmoko/FDOM a rootfs/kenel image ready to flash of an OM2008.08-updates distribution with some apps already installed and some fixes posted in the lists done. here you have more detailed information http://compartida.net/openmoko/FDOM/README.txt I recommend you to use wget -c to retrieve the files because of the server seems to cut the connection time to time, a most robust mirror is on the way Sugesstions , comments, and anything else will be welcome Regards and a hug David Samblas ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Duke Nukem 3D on Openmoko Neo
Thanks for the info :) -Shawn Dale Maggee wrote: I suspect that it won't run on 2007.2, because the accelerometers seem to be broken. I get Unknown Multivoc error code. when i try to run it in 2007.2. -Dale Shawn Thompson wrote: I'm SO installing that when my openmoko shows up! That is freakin sweet!. Will it run on 2007.2 or do you have to upgrade to 2008.8 and above? -Shawn Rafael Ignacio Zurita wrote: Hello people, I want to share a simple duke nukem 3d port for Neo which you can play using the accelerometer :) You can get all the files at: http://fz.hobby-site.org/om/duke-nukem-3d/ and the link below has the instructions: http://fz.hobby-site.org/om/duke-nukem-3d/readme-openmoko.txt Ah, if you have doubts about how to play, please check http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=260Kpiqv9_U and this: http://fz.hobby-site.org/om/duke-nukem-3d/how-to-play-duke.png Have fun! Rafa -- Rafael Ignacio Zurita Buenos Aires, Argentina ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Duke Nukem 3D on Openmoko Neo
I'm SO installing that when my openmoko shows up! That is freakin sweet!. Will it run on 2007.2 or do you have to upgrade to 2008.8 and above? -Shawn Rafael Ignacio Zurita wrote: Hello people, I want to share a simple duke nukem 3d port for Neo which you can play using the accelerometer :) You can get all the files at: http://fz.hobby-site.org/om/duke-nukem-3d/ and the link below has the instructions: http://fz.hobby-site.org/om/duke-nukem-3d/readme-openmoko.txt Ah, if you have doubts about how to play, please check http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=260Kpiqv9_U and this: http://fz.hobby-site.org/om/duke-nukem-3d/how-to-play-duke.png Have fun! Rafa -- Rafael Ignacio Zurita Buenos Aires, Argentina ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Mofi on FR
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nishit Dave wrote: On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 9:40 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nishit Dave wrote: Why doesn't somebody fix the charmed file in the repos? This change has also been recommended in the GPRS with GSM Multiplexing and GUI subsection on the wiki. What happens in a real-world scenario is people trying to use vi on the phone's tiny screen estate, standing around wifi hotspots, if they know they have to change init() to _init(). Finding line 82 is very difficult unless you are a vi wizard. The tiny letters on the keyboard (and that's hoping it is raster's kbd, not the original one) make it even worse. vi command to locate line 82: :82 Then enter. Alakazam! hehe Sarton Cute! I only wish I had that information when I was fooling around on the FR looking like the ultimate geek in a public place. Oh, for the want of a proper text editor... I understand. There are very few commands that are required in order to use vi effectively but I know from experience, I was lucky to have learned these very early on in my *nix career. The best one I find is the ability to suck in output from an external command: !!grep value ./defaults/config A life saver when you have no copy and paste! Sarton ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Is there an opkg package for emacs? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Mofi on FR
Rod Whitby wrote: Shawn Thompson wrote: Is there an opkg package for emacs? I've just added emacs (and tichy, pidgin, epdfview, microcom and midori) to task-openmoko-feed, so any properly-set-up feed for Openmoko (such as shr.bearstech.com) should have it after the next autobuild run. -- Rod ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Awesome, I'm supposed to receive my phone on sept 11th so I am looking forward to using emacs from my phone's terminal :) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Sold out ahh
Justin Wong wrote: I thought this might be useful. I created a page on the wiki, so no device will go unused. That would be a shame. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Classifieds Cheers! Justin On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 5:52 AM, Shawn Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well I placed my order with Koolu, should be here within the next 2 weeks I hope. -Shawn On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 12:56 AM, arne anka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Like I said, no dramas ... I was just hoping I'd get a lanyard, it's in the pictures :( could you post a link to that pics? i absotively cannot remember any mention of a lanyard ... (except in lanyard hole) Don't tell me we forgot to ship you the lanyard hole! That would be a severe oversight on our part. well, that would be comparably easy to fix, wouldn't it? Forgot to add that if we did, let me know - I think I have a spare one in my pocket :-) you got a lanyard hole in your pocket? who's your tailor? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Ordered friday, received my shipping notification today, should be here within 10 days. Can't wait! -Shawn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Sold out ahh
Well I placed my order with Koolu, should be here within the next 2 weeks I hope. -Shawn On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 12:56 AM, arne anka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Like I said, no dramas ... I was just hoping I'd get a lanyard, it's in the pictures :( could you post a link to that pics? i absotively cannot remember any mention of a lanyard ... (except in lanyard hole) Don't tell me we forgot to ship you the lanyard hole! That would be a severe oversight on our part. well, that would be comparably easy to fix, wouldn't it? Forgot to add that if we did, let me know - I think I have a spare one in my pocket :-) you got a lanyard hole in your pocket? who's your tailor? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: some hardware suggestions
On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 7:26 AM, Dale Maggee [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Nishit Dave wrote: On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 10:49 AM, Dale Maggee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Genuine People Personality Module Would you prefer aaah...thanks for using me as your phone, or life, don't talk on me about it modes? I'd have to go with 'marvin mode', if my phone had a cheerful and sunny disposition and it was its pleasure to ring for me and its satisfaction to hang up again in the knowledge of a job well done, it would probably quickly find itself at the bottom of a deep, dark hole... having a self-satisfied phone seems more like the kind of thing apple would do... ;) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Just imagine if your phone woke up from an SMS message being called by the GSM and stated, I think you ought to know I'm feeling very depressed. Something like that would be worth six pints of bitter just before the world ends right? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: contacts: lookup on incoming call
On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 7:40 AM, Dale Maggee [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Tom Yates wrote: using ASU (specifically, 20080826-asu-stable-uImage.bin and 20080827-asu-stable-rootfs.jffs2) i have a contacts database full of friends, imported via vcard, in which almost all the phone numbers are in internationally-qualified form (eg fred friend, +44 7971 123456). that way, i can dial them whatever country i happen to be in. but when i'm in the UK, and a UK call comes in, it shows up as just having a local number (eg 07971 123456). these two numbers are functionally the same, but the contacts-lookup that happens won't identify the caller as fred friend unless i edit the contacts entry to say 07971... rather than +447971... . a) do other people find this also? b) does this qualify as a bug? c) if so, is it a qtopia bug, and therefore (if i follow the discussion aright) not something that should be entered into the openmoko bug tracker? a) yes, I see the same thing. My workaround: Add the number in both formats to the contact (although this isn't strictly neccessary, because in AU on the vodafone network numbers seem to appear in the international format, so if the number is in the contact in the international format it generally works) b) I'd call it a bug, or maybe a feature... c) not exclusive to qtopia (I'm using 2007.2), but I suspect that it's a bug/feature common to more than one set of dialer / messaging / contacts programs, although I may be wrong. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community b) I'd call it a bug, or maybe a feature... By calling it a feature I feel compelled to ask, are you a Microsoft employee? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Sold out aaaah
On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 11:51 AM, carmen r [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 12:42:19PM -0600, Jeff Sadowski wrote: http://us.direct.openmoko.com/products/neo-freerunner Maybe by the time I get a chance to buy one they will have enough processor power, ram and disk space to replace my laptop. Every time I even look to buy it I see the sold out. i believe the strategy is to order from a local distributor eg Koolu for north america The problem with ordering from Koolu is that there may be taxes or duty at the border that you wouldn't know about until the order is placed. I want to order mine but I'm afraid they'd charge a premium at the border to let it through. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Sold out aaaah
On Sat, Aug 23, 2008 at 7:04 PM, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Shawn Thompson wrote: On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 11:51 AM, carmen r [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://whats-your.name wrote: On Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 12:42:19PM -0600, Jeff Sadowski wrote: http://us.direct.openmoko.com/products/neo-freerunner Maybe by the time I get a chance to buy one they will have enough processor power, ram and disk space to replace my laptop. Every time I even look to buy it I see the sold out. i believe the strategy is to order from a local distributor eg Koolu for north america The problem with ordering from Koolu is that there may be taxes or duty at the border that you wouldn't know about until the order is placed. I want to order mine but I'm afraid they'd charge a premium at the border to let it through. Did you check the distributor section of our website? I think Koolu has a USA address as well now. Michael Their sales team stated it was still shipping from Canada when I wrote them recently. After the reply from Charles though I am just going to place my order Friday as I had originally planned to and not worry about it. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Demo apps for 2008.8?
Christ van Willegen wrote: Hi, I run a stock 2008.8 with a terminal and tangoGPS installed as 'new' apps. I was wondering if there are any must-have/wow-factor apps to install. Something to show off display clarity and/or accellerometers would be nice. At the moment I show off my phone by running the terminal (and occasionally by typing to collegues using a bluetooth kbd), but having additional 'wow' things would be nice. Christ van Willegen Agreed. Something that shows, 'hey watch me hack into your network and read your email'. (: just kidding. But what about a light saber that makes sounds when you swing it? hehe Now we're venturing into useless app territory. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Request for 2007.2 /etc/pulse/session default file
I did something really dumb and blew away my /etc/pulse/session file. Can somebody post theirs for me if they still have it? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Request for 2007.2 /etc/pulse/session default file
thanks for the quick response ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko Om 2008.8 Release
On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 4:48 AM, Wolfgang Spraul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For GTA01, we have no big plan yet but we will look at it next. The biggest problem that stops us is that we are extremely low on GTA01 phones :-) I am only aware of 1 (ONE) functioning GTA01 in the Taipei office. A bit hard to do development and testing that way. Next week we will look at the Om 2008.8 on GTA01 situation: There must have been many of them at one time; did you sell or otherwise get rid of all of those? Don't any of the developers have their own? As someone else suggested maybe some people in the community would be able to return them if you need more for development. Not having bought a Freerunner yet, yes I'm very interested in being able to run the latest stuff on my GTA01. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Intel Atom
On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 8:55 PM, Brad Midgley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've heard the support chips for atom have not been optimized for saving power yet, so it may be another generation before atom + chipset + solid state drive will be within any kind of reasonable power budget for a handheld. Yeah no kidding... http://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid=597type=expertpid=8 See how the entire system power is 60 watts max, and doesn't vary much with the load? and here: http://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid=597type=expertpid=2 funny how the chipset has a big heatsink with a fan, while the processor has a small heatsink and no fan. :-) At least they are competing favorably with VIA for the mini-ITX boards though. If they haven't already, they also need to engineer an instant wakeup (acpi suspend/resume is abysmal) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Intel Atom
On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 5:00 PM, Jeffery Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there any possibility a future model could incorporate the Intel Atom? They're launching dual-core models soon at around $43. Battery life would probably be somewhat less than it would continuing with ARM, though. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_atom They take from 0.65-4 W depending on which generation, and speed. I don't really see the point, why you'd want an x86 architecture on a phone. (It's basically the original Pentium, miniaturized and incorporating their latest manufacturing process innovations to make it low-power.) Just that there are a lot of x86 binaries (and OSes) you could run unmodified, but compiling for ARM isn't so bad, and ARM has better performance-per-watt and lower-power sleep modes, right? I imagine if we see these in phones, they will be large, loaded with features (like some of the larger Symbian models), either with lousy battery life or giant batteries, and maybe the point will be to run a PC-like version of Windows on them rather than just Windows Mobile. (Traveling execs think they gotta have their Excel spreadsheets on the go) I would like to be pleasantly surprised though, of course. A monopoly across most forms of computing would be really bad for the market, so I wouldn't want to help Intel achieve that. But maybe they will spur the competition to take ARM to the next level. (multi-core, smaller, and faster) $43 is not cheap either. Probably several times what the Freerunner's processor costs. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
