Re: Applying for GSoC 2010
On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 9:53 PM, Dr. Michael Lauer mic...@vanille-media.de wrote: Hi folks, After our successful GSoC in 2007 and 2008 as Openmoko -- and us not being on board in 2009, I decided to try apply again as a mentoring organization this year. Please toss some ideas to http://wiki.freesmartphone.org/index.php/GSoC_Ideas Good luck! :D, you guys rocked as mentors. -- Sudharshan S http://sudharsh.wordpress.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [FSO] DBus services and methods doc
On Friday 23 October 2009 12:57:33 pm Mickael Labrousse wrote: Hi, Does anyone have a link to a fso dbus documentation ? I can't find the documentation listing methods of dbus services present on SHR (so I think FSO framework). Here you go, http://docs.freesmartphone.org -- Regards Sudharshan S Blog : http://www.sudharsh.wordpress.com IRC : Sup3rkiddo @ Freenode, Gimpnet ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [FSO] DBus services and methods doc
On Friday 23 October 2009 12:57:33 pm Mickael Labrousse wrote: Hi, Does anyone have a link to a fso dbus documentation ? I can't find the documentation listing methods of dbus services present on SHR (so I think FSO framework). Here you go, http://docs.freesmartphone.org -- Regards Sudharshan S Blog : http://www.sudharsh.wordpress.com IRC : Sup3rkiddo @ Freenode, Gimpnet ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Rod Whitby (MokoMakefile author) moves on to start WebOS Internals
On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 5:08 PM, Rod Whitby r...@whitby.id.au wrote: http://www.rwhitby.net/blog/webos-internals/palm-pre-lands-in-australia.html It is with some sadness that I must say goodbye to the OpenMoko community, and move on to new things. So long and thanks for all the fish.. MokoMakefile was a neat script. :) Regards Sudharshan S Blog : http://sudharsh.wordpress.com IRC : Sup3rkiddo @ Freenode, Gimpnet ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FSO core team founds BGB company
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 8:51 PM, Michael 'Mickey' Lauermic...@vanille-media.de wrote: Braunschweig, Germany, 2009-07-29. For immediate release. The freesmartphone.org core-team founds a BGB company to facilitate the further development of free and open source middleware for Linux-based mobile systems: Lauer, Lübbe, Schmidt, Willmann, freesmartphone.org GbR. Congratulations.. This is really good news Regards Sudharshan S Blog : http://www.sudharsh.wordpress.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: ANN: freesmartphone.org MS 5.5
On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 10:49 PM, Michael 'Mickey' Lauermic...@vanille-media.de wrote: The Freesmartphone.org team is proud to release milestone 5.5 codenamed 'In Transit...'. Coolness, Its awesome to see the vala implementation catching up. :) Sudharshan S http://sudharsh.wordpress.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Announce] Intel and Nokia announce open source telephony project (oFono)
On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 4:38 AM, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer mic...@vanille-media.de wrote: Yeah, that's pretty sad. They should have picked FSO or even Pyneo or at least something that is already in development for quite a while. This way it looks like NIH syndrome. Until now, trying to co-work with these guys typically went like yeah, you can take our APIs, if you want. No, we don't want to look at yours, thanks.. 'These *type* of guys' or 'these guys'? Just wondering, was FSO in touch with them. Anyways, I am sure that the momentum of FSO wont die down because of this. :) Regards Sudharshan S Blog : http://www.sudharsh.wordpress.com IRC : Sup3rkiddo @ Freenode, Gimpnet ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: DON'T PANIC
On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 4:01 AM, Joerg Reisenweber jo...@openmoko.org wrote: DON'T PANIC uBoot splashscreen http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/bootsplash +1 for the H2G2 reference :D Regards Sudharshan S ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Accelerometer in Java
On Saturday 08 November 2008 19:58:29 Bernd Prünster wrote: so i'm asking to give me a hint how to directly read the accelerometer output. (it's gotta be possible without jni and the like... ..but if not, what's the best way to do it?) I think, there are DBus bindings for java. So you could probably take a look at the services offered by FSO for reading accelerometers output. Sudharshan S Blog : http://www.sudharsh.wordpress.com IRC : Sup3rkiddo @ Freenode, Gimpnet ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [FSO] How to develop with Qt
On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 10:14 PM, Michael Tansella [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Hi, We are 2 Students and are doing a research project with the Freerunner. Now we need to develop a tool with C++ QT. Because of the nice possibilities with dbus we want to do this with FSO. But we dont't know how to do that. Hi Michael, Since FSO uses DBus as one of its core technologies, it is toolkit agnostic as long as the toolkit has DBus bindings. As it turns out Qt has very good DBus support. In case you haven't already taken a look, http://doc.trolltech.com/4.2/intro-to-dbus.html Happy Hacking Sudharshan S Blog : http://www.sudharsh.wordpress.com IRC : Sup3rkiddo @ Freenode, Gimpnet ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
odeviced (open device daemon): 0.1-alpha release
Hi all,
I am happy to announce the first 0.1 release of my gsoc project, odeviced.
It is more a preliminary vala/c implemenatation of the odeviced subsystem
from frameworkd.
Although mostly compatible with milestone3, odeviced lacks the audio support
and GetInfo DBus methods since vala doesn't support returning DBus types of
signature a{sv}.
This package includes the following device plugins that has been tested on
the Freerunner
accelerometer
* audio (incomplete now)
* display
* idlenotifier
* input
* led
* power
* powercontrol
* rtc
Get the package here,
http://sudharsh.mukt.in/odeviced_0.1-r0_armv4t.opk
The sources are available here,
http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=openmoko-gsoc2008.git;a=summary
GSoC abstract here,
http://code.google.com/soc/2008/openmoko/appinfo.html?csaid=C4E490026007DA79
NOTE: If you have frameworkd installed, please do the following prior to the
installation of odeviced to avoid conflicts in DBus.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# mv
/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/framework/subsystems/odeviced
.
Community feedback as always is appreciated and eagerly awaited.
Many thanks to the GSoC mentors for lending a helping hand throughout the
program (..and not to mention the shipped Freerunner. :D)
Happy Hacking,
Sudharshan S
Blog : http://www.sudharsh.wordpress.com
IRC : Sup3rkiddo @ Freenode, Gimpnet
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Re: Never getting GPS lock
On 2/25/08, Ben Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: na, i'm on a hill, it's pretty much wide open sky. Unobstructed to horizon for 180deg, other 180deg is about 60deg above horizon I had to wait around 2-3 hours for several days to get a fix on mine (My neo was placed near the window for a couple of days). Apparently only the first ever fix took a long time atleast in my case. After that getting a fix should not be a problem. Regards Sudharshan S blog: http:/www.sudharsh.wordpress.com ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Basic questions about openmoko
ian chu wrote: Hello~ I have two simple questions about Openmoko develop. Is it correct to transfer our projects ( like GPS ) from PC to Openmoko by dfu ? and how? scp? dfu is used to flash the rootfs and the kernel. I normally scp the created ipk into the neo and use ipkg install. If you haven't already, you might find more information regarding this over here. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Application_Development_Crash_Course and should I flash kernel and fs of the device each time when I build up a new project on it? Not necessary, you can upgrade if you have a working internet on your neo..AFAIK... Have fun. Regards, Sudharshan S blog: http://www.sudharsh.wordpress.com ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Thu, 2007-11-01 at 22:49 -0500, Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: Dear Community, I'm extremely excited to announce that Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) has joined OpenMoko, Inc. The man hardly needs an introduction. Please just give him a warm welcome to our community / company ;-) Sean Wooh (Homer style), Call me a moron, but I kinda had a feeling raster was upto something after seeing him in #openmoko. Now I am sure Openmoko would have a sexy UI to it.. E17 rocks btw, big fan of it... Welcome aboard raster.. -- Sudharshan S blog: http://www.sudharsh.wordpress.com ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: flash.sh failed when setup qemu-neo1973
On Wed, 2007-10-31 at 17:47 +0800, 孙廉焘 wrote: Thanks to the help of Rod and Gordon Syme! I have solved the problem and qemu-neo-1973 is running now! What I have done is: 1. modified kernel_wildcard variable in the openmoko/env file, replacing '-neo1973' with '-fic-gta01'; 2. run openmoko/download.sh, and the uImage-2.6.21.5-r3-fic-gta01.bin is downloaded; 3. run openmoko/flash.sh I think this has been fixed from r3304. http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/commitlog/2007-October/002946.html $ make update and you are set to rock...=D -- Sudharshan S blog: http://www.sudharsh.wordpress.com ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: SRC_URI arguments, how to
Thank you, Would I then have to have a script to pack my local overlay before building the package ? Sorry for my confusion, I'm all new to this build environment. How does everyone else do this ? From my point of view it would be easiest to be able to point SRC_URI to my local overlay base directory and let it copy everything below and including that point to the work directory and the build it. But i'm guessing that there is something that I am missing here =) /Pontus My code doesnt actually sit in the local overlay, only my recipes are there. I have a separate working directory where I do my work. Oh come on, creating a tarball is pretty trivial =D. The bitbake is kinda smart enough to unpack the tarball while building your code. No problems there. Especially when you have a sizeable number of files, copying each and every file is kinda weird (unless its under some Version Control System). But, if your code is in some local svn (..or cvs) repository you could make change the SRC_URI accordingly if you want the copy each file into the build directory behaviour. Digging into the gazillions of recipes in the tree should give you an idea. Bitbake experts, Correct me if i am wrong. =) Regards Sudharshan S blog: http://www.sudharsh.wordpress.com ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Qemu-Neo doesn't seem to work Ubuntu 7.10
On 10/17/07, Jens Fursund [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello everyone, There seem to be a problem with openmoko/flash.sh in new Ubuntu 7.10. I think it has something to do with the setenv command. I have a feeling it is not even there. Does anybody know how to fix this? Best Regards, Jens Same here, its rather sad since i will be accessing the neo only at the university. At home, qemu is the only way to get something done. It would be wonderful if the upstream devs could take a look. I see a bug has already been filed http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=937 -- Sudharshan S blog: http://www.sudharsh.wordpress.com ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Python bindings for libgsmd
Greetings all, We have been working on binding libgsmd in python and we must say, we have been successful in wrapping up the voicecall routines upto now. It would be wonderful to have your comments and constructive criticism. Please do note that zecke also has done some python bindings, The main difference lies in the use of gobjects in the latter case. We have created a sort of raw interface to the underlying libgsmd code. The code is really noobish though, but atleast it works http://projects.openmoko.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/?root=python-openmoko Screenshots here http://sudharsh.files.wordpress.com/2007/10/screenshot.png Oh, and please be gentle with the flames... -- -- Sudharshan S http://www.sudharsh.wordpress.com ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Update: GPS driver for GTA01 and GSM firmware for GTA01
On Sat, 2007-10-13 at 09:55 -0700, Michael Shiloh wrote: I have received some further updates from Harald. Apparently we have resolved the legal issues with the driver for the GPS chip on GTA01, and the problem right now is that we switched from OABI to EABI. The original driver from Global Locate / Broadcom worked for OABI but is not quite working for EABI. Work is proceeding on this. To expand a little on what Harald wrote, thanks to TI we are now able to distribute the upgraded GSM firmware, but we're still working on the exact distribution terms for the firmware update program. Thanks a lot for the update, You just made my day! -- -- Sudharshan S http://www.sudharsh.wordpress.com ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Is neo1973 dual boot possible?
On 9/21/07, Krzysztof Kajkowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi! Is it possible to have both Qtopia and OM environments on one phone? One could be able to chooses system on startup (such as grub or lilo chooses Linux or Windows ;). That would be useful - you could use Qtopia env as a phone during day but at night you could reboot to OM and start hacking ;) Guys, I actually attempted it but when I boot OM from Boot from SD option from the bootloader menu I get some Bad Partition and Bad Magic Number error. Unfortunately I am taken back to the boot loader menu rather fast before I can take a good look at things. I had followed the instructions from here. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_from_SD#Installing_without_removing_your_SD_card If anyone had better luck, let us know... Qtopia is on the internal flash memory and I had attempted to copy over the root filesystem + uImage over ssh. Regards Sudharshan S - blog: http://www.sudharsh.wordpress.com ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: webkit do_compile failed
On Sat, 2007-09-15 at 20:15 -0500, Tom Z wrote: I seemed to hit a problem just before the do_compile in the same build process for webkit, all the solutions posted here so far don't seem to apply, as there seems to have no build/tmp/staging/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/lib/libWebKitGdk.* file yet in my build directory. Below is the log from my rebuild attempt, after I did the clean-package-webkit-gtk. Any idea would be greatly appreciated. Tom Hello, Changing SRCREV_pn-webkit-gtk to 25582 in /openembedded/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc seems to solve the problem. Regards Sudharshan S blog: http://www.sudharsh.wordpress.com ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
libidn build fails in the current svn head
Hello everyone, I man having problems building libidn and would like to know if any one has this problem and/or gotten around the same. One thing from the logs i noticed was the fact that the build system is trying to install it before the do_compile stage..I guess this is weird or am i mistaken. Here are the logs, NOTE: package libidn-0.5.19: started NOTE: package libidn-0.5.19-r0: task do_install: started ERROR: function do_install failed ERROR: log data follows (/home/sudharsh/Projects/openmoko/build/tmp/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/libidn-0.5.19-r0/temp/log.do_install.31536) | NOTE: make DESTDIR=/home/sudharsh/Projects/openmoko/build/tmp/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/libidn-0.5.19-r0/image install | make[1]: Entering directory `/home/sudharsh/Projects/openmoko/build/tmp/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/libidn-0.5.19-r0/libidn-0.5.19' | make[1]: *** No rule to make target `install'. Stop. | make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/sudharsh/Projects/openmoko/build/tmp/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/libidn-0.5.19-r0/libidn-0.5.19' | FATAL: oe_runmake failed NOTE: Task failed: /home/sudharsh/Projects/openmoko/build/tmp/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/libidn-0.5.19-r0/temp/log.do_install.31536 NOTE: package libidn-0.5.19-r0: task do_install: failed ERROR: TaskFailed event exception, aborting NOTE: package libidn-0.5.19: failed ERROR: Build of /home/sudharsh/Projects/openmoko/openembedded/packages/gpephone/libidn_0.5.19.bb do_install failed ERROR: Task 2854 (/home/sudharsh/Projects/openmoko/openembedded/packages/gpephone/libidn_0.5.19.bb, do_install) failed NOTE: Tasks Summary: Attempted 1555 tasks of which 1543 didn't need to be rerun and 1 failed. ERROR: '/home/sudharsh/Projects/openmoko/openembedded/packages/gpephone/libidn_0.5.19.bb' failed make: *** [openmoko-devel-image] Error 1 Regards Sudharshan S - blog: http://www.sudharsh.wordpress.com ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: omit qemu from OE build?
On 9/2/07, Shawn Rutledge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: After the compiler badness on my one gentoo system (which I have no idea how to resolve) I decided to try on another machine which happens to be 64-bit and with gcc 4.1, so there isn't much hope of getting qemu to run. But openmoko-devel-image or openmoko-image depend on it. Is there a way to remove this dependency so I can just build images for the phone? Hello Shawn, qemu needs gcc 3.x to build cleanly. I am on gentoo on useful and my compiler isnt that bad :P. Regards Sudharshan S ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: What a heavy lunch-box!
On Fri, 2007-08-03 at 17:36 +0200, Shakthi Kannan wrote: Hi, Photos are here: http://shakthimaan.com/downloads/openmoko/images/package/ I bet you took high res photos of the neo on purpose...Show off! Regards Sudharshan S ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Anyone, not billed yet?
Hi all, I just couldn't resist the urge to ask if there are anyone here who had ordered the development release but *not been billed* yet. Especially anxious since there has not been any word of the second batch, AFAIK (ordered it on 11 July, around 0500 hours GMT). Sorry folks, but when all the others are getting to play, hack and cuddle with the neo, I feel jealous and left alone =(. Me want me neo... Regards Sudharshan S ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Next batch of Neo1973s.
On Thu, 2007-07-26 at 13:59 +0100, Ian Stirling wrote: Best guesses from the uninformed are that 1000 orders have been made for phones. (based on P1_Orders, ...) And 1000 phones have been made. Have the next batch been ordered? If so, approximately when are they due? ..and Have anyone who had ordered their devices late (..as in their order doesn't fall in the first 1000) been billed yet. FYI our rt# was 3054. I am aware of the fact that the ticket number is not an indication, but still Regards Sudharshan S ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: gentoo qemu (was Re: Binary tarball of toolchain/build environment)
On Mon, 2007-07-16 at 09:09 -0500, Jeff Rush wrote:
I have both too, and use gcc-config to switch when emerging qemu. If I
select
3.4.6 with gcc-config then run 'make qemu' mtn complains:
mtn: /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-linux-gnu/3.4.6/libstdc++.so.6:
version 'GLIBCXX_3.4.6' not found (required by mtn)
mtn: /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-linux-gnu/3.4.6/libstdc++.so.6:
version 'CXXABI_1.3.1' not found (required by mtn)
Makefile: 28: *** Cannot determine version for monotone using mtn
-version.
Stop.
Hmm, the interesting thing there is that monotone requires a *double* dash
for
long options, so manually doing mtn -version will indeed fail. In my
Makefile re the MokoMakefile, I have it with a double dash:
MTN_VERSION := $(shell mtn --version | awk '{ print $$2; }')
... in case this helps at all. I don't see any way to determine the version
of Makefile I have.
-Jeff
Hi all,
Running gentoo here, I worked around this issue by re-emerging monotone
with gcc 3.4.6, I am not sure if its the right solution. But atleast it
solves the problem at hand
Regards
Sudharshan S
P.S: To the list maintainer, can you configure a reply-to munging such
that when i hit reply the mail gets sent to the lists instead of the OP.
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Ripples on Contact
Hi guys, I got this idea of a small eye candy after having a look at beryl. How about when, someone touches the touchscreen ripples get generated with the point of contact as the centre. Am not sure how useful this could be but, i feel this would be a nice fluidy feedback to the onscreen keyboard. Given the FPU on the neo, I am also curious what kind of performance deteriotation we are looking at and the difficulty level in implementing such a hack. Regards Sudharshan S http://www.sudharsh.wordpress.com ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko ads now on youtube
On Wed, 2007-07-04 at 15:58 -0500, Adam Krikstone wrote: Good and bad, here are some ads for openmoko and the neo1973 I did. Sorry for the bad quality on some but there aren't many videos or pictures of the neo1973 besides the wiki. I stayed with the free your phone, aspect since advertising linux to the public is not going to work. I can make better ones if someone can get me high res photos and video (720x480 and above). Cool videos.. Now if only I had neo of my own, I would have done the hi, I am a neo and I am an iphone skit...*wink* Regards Sudharshan S ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Qemu builds - can anyone post one for download?
On Thu, 2007-06-28 at 08:56 -0500, el jefe delito wrote: I have read a bit about building the current software for the Qemu environment, but I am wondering if anyone regularly builds these anyways and can just provide us with a download link or a torrent so that we can download and run it a bit easier than building it anew for each user? I am thrilled with the announcement of the phone's release, and I would love to help a bit with UI investigations. -- Hi, Welcome aboard, You might want to check out http://buildhost.openmoko.org/. This might be useful as well http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qemu. Regards Sudharshan S ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New Oceans
Fantastic news, Thank you sean for the long announcement, I tell ya for all the wait, it was worth it. Now am gonna take a large printout of the announcement and paste it outside my room to inspire my parents to increase my allowance. :P Onto World domination! Regards Sudharshan S ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Will Openmoko ever see the light of day? Was Re: Concern for usability and ergonomics
On Wed, 2007-06-13 at 09:26 -0400, Duncan Hudson wrote: In all honesty, has there ever been a really clear statement about this device? I'm beginning to feel (as was eluded to in others' posts months ago) that this is vaporware, and that we are just being strung along. Flame me all you want, but until I have something in my hot little hand how can I possibly be led to believe anything else at this point? Dunc Hi Dunc, Maybe this will change your mind, http://rene.rebe.name/photos/?p=/Computex/2007/img_2208.jpg Sure, the neo may get delayed, but it will definitely see the light of the day. I am basing my assertions on the fact, that actual devices have been created and circulated among people. I guess its pretty normal for things to get delayes. So fear not :D Just my 2 cents. Reggies Sudharshan S ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
