Re: 21h of battery live with FSO on GTA01
Hi Michael, On Thu, 2008-07-03 at 00:19 +0200, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote: > Thanks for the experiment, Marc! > > Most of the honor is due our kernel wizards extraordinaire, of course. > > With the recently posted NO_IDLE_HZ support and (perhaps) some of the cpufreq > patches, I'd expect even more. Does this mean we can expect similar battery life gains from the 'other' images? Thanks again, Tim > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 21h of battery live with FSO on GTA01
Hi Marc, This is great news! Just to confirm the latest with the FSO image, when I looked at the youtube video demo'ing the interface last it was only capable of making/receiving calls - is this still the case? Thanks, Tim On Wed, 2008-07-02 at 23:42 +0200, Marc Bantle wrote: > Hi all, > > I just answered a call on my neo1973 after 21 hours of > running FSO. I had the neo in suspend mode most of > the time. From hour 13 on I woke the neo up hourly > by calling from land line and put it back into suspend > manually (double press power button) after hanging > up on the caller side without answering the call. > There where 3.5V left in the battery after the last > call (measured by multimeter on the battery). > > Compared to what I was used to so far this is an > amazing improvement. Congratulations, FSO > developers, for the excellent work ! > > Up till now I was believing a hardware bug was > responsible for fast battery drainage and keeping > GTA01 from delivering an acceptable uptime. > > Cheers, Marc > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Thoughts about calls not taken
Hi Ian, On Wed, 2008-04-23 at 14:44 -0700, ian douglas wrote: > Sorry, just realized I hadn't finished my thought... > > ian douglas wrote: > > I use pidgin (gaim) for IM, I tried to use pidgin on the OM but found that I couldn't enter my IM profile details as the multi-tap keyboard didn't get 'activated' when in these fields - has this been fixed now? /me will try again if this is the case. Thanks, Tim > > -id > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Progress on GTA01 power management issues !
Hi Bobby, Well, I should've clarified that I haven't tested GSM after a resume (I was just happy to have the UI return to a usable state). And I'm using the 17th image/kernel recommended by Kevin Dean. I'll report back on my GSM test results in another email. -Tim On Wed, 2008-04-23 at 15:32 -0500, Bobby Martin wrote: > Are you saying that sound & GSM work after resume using the April 17th > image? What kernel image are you using? > > Hi Fredrik, > > All I can say is since loading the 17th April image on my Neo > it has in > terms of battery life become *very* usable. I'm s glad now > that I > can set the 'power management' to 'dim then lock' and now I > can happily > use it for a whole day (or more as haven't tested its > thresholds yet)! > Thanks Openmoko! > > Regards, > Tim > > > > -- > Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of > the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are > being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and > exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country. — > Hermann Göring at the Nuremberg trials > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Progress on GTA01 power management issues !
Hi Fredrik, All I can say is since loading the 17th April image on my Neo it has in terms of battery life become *very* usable. I'm s glad now that I can set the 'power management' to 'dim then lock' and now I can happily use it for a whole day (or more as haven't tested its thresholds yet)! Thanks Openmoko! Regards, Tim On Wed, 2008-04-23 at 15:28 +0200, Fredrik Markström wrote: > Hello Richter ! > > I have not made any complains regarding the software, what I am > complaining about is the fact that > no representative from openmoko has commented on the bug that makes > the GTA01 not wakeup from > suspend on incoming calls and/or SMS:es. (reliably anyway) > > As far as I understand people in the community has been investigating > this and indicated that > it is likely to be a bug related to the modem hardware or firmware. Me > and others has asked this question > a number of times on this list, but so far no official comments. > > I didn't expect the GTA01 (or any product as complex as this) to be > bug free, but I did expect openmoko to > be open and supportive. If this is how they will handle current and > future problems (with silence), I'd advice > against buying their stuff. > > /Fredrik > > On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 4:48 PM, Flemming Richter Mikkelsen > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 4/21/08, Fredrik Markström <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Still no official comments on this issue ? > > > > > > Until this is resolved I advice newcomers to be careful before > > > spending $399 on another piece of potentially > > > useless hardware (GTA02). From my point of view openmoko might be as > > > silent and unresponsive, using "busy > > > with nextgen hardware" as an excuse with any future hardware revision. > > > > I think you have misunderstood the consept. Now Openmoko works > > hard to bring out the GTA02 STK to software developers. The software > > developers are the community. We will implement power management > > and Openmoko is nice enough to help us by (they hired people just to > > help us). > > > > > > > > > > The iPhone is not open but at least useful, and also $399 ! > > > > Then go and buy an iPhone if you rather have that. If you do not want > > a developer edition, but a consumer ready phone, you should not > > buy the Freerunner yet. > > > > -- > > Please don't send me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See > > http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html > > > > Join the FSF as an Associate Member at: > > http://www.fsf.org/register_form?referrer=5774> > > > > ___ > > Openmoko community mailing list > > community@lists.openmoko.org > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Synchronization
Hi Ramses, On Fri, 2008-04-11 at 18:17 +0200, ramsesoriginal wrote: > And here I think of something: many people use web-based applications. > Is there also a plan to sync with those? Has anyone tried using Conduit[1]? AFAIK it's slanted to be included in the next version of Gnome. > > > > > Another exciting possibly is that seeing as the OpenMoko phone is a > > full Linux computer it could be used as a Sync server, making it > > possible to sync with another cellphone without the need for a normal > > computer. If we could have that as a standard feature on the consumer > > version of the Freerunner it would be very cool. > > Now this Sounds like a pretty cool and innovative idea. This would > allow also for some neat functions like copying of contacts at code > signing "partys", or vCard exchanges at buisness meetings without the > need of some fixed computer. > -Tim [1] http://www.conduit-project.org ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Warning. Don't remove battery with usb power
On Tue, 2008-03-04 at 16:55 +1300, Ben Wilson wrote: > Hi Tim > > While it is possible I think it's quite unlikely. When switchmode power > supplies die they normally destroy themselves. > I would expect, if damage occurred due to usb powered battery removal, > the phone would be dead rather than develop booting problems. Oh, cool - thanks for clarifying that :) -Tim > > Ben. > > Tim Knapp wrote: > > Hi Ben, > > > > Yeah I've done this *once* and it freaked me out. I'm still a bit > > concerned I've caused some permanent damage on my Neo as I've had > > problems booting images on the nand ever since but sdcard images work > > fine - jury is still out on that one. > > > > Thanks, > > Tim > > > > On Tue, 2008-03-04 at 13:45 +1300, Ben Wilson wrote: > > > >> Hey, > >> > >> Just a reminder to everyone *NOT* to pull out the battery while the neo > >> has USB power. > >> > >> You may not have heard it but the phone gets quite angry. As evident by > >> a quiet scream the phone emits as the components in its power system > >> begin to vibrate closer to magic smoke land. > >> > >> Talking with people on IRC most have done this on occasion without any > >> damage. However you are definitely risking permanent damage with the > >> chance increasing with every second it is in this state. > >> > >> My advice would be… Don't do it and if you do it by accident then pull > >> the plug out quickly rather than listening to the interesting sound. > >> > >> (I don’t know if this also applies to gta02 or not) > >> > >> Ben. > >> > >> > >> ___ > >> OpenMoko community mailing list > >> community@lists.openmoko.org > >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > >> > > > > > > ___ > > OpenMoko community mailing list > > community@lists.openmoko.org > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > > > > > > ___ > OpenMoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Warning. Don't remove battery with usb power
Hi Ben, Yeah I've done this *once* and it freaked me out. I'm still a bit concerned I've caused some permanent damage on my Neo as I've had problems booting images on the nand ever since but sdcard images work fine - jury is still out on that one. Thanks, Tim On Tue, 2008-03-04 at 13:45 +1300, Ben Wilson wrote: > Hey, > > Just a reminder to everyone *NOT* to pull out the battery while the neo > has USB power. > > You may not have heard it but the phone gets quite angry. As evident by > a quiet scream the phone emits as the components in its power system > begin to vibrate closer to magic smoke land. > > Talking with people on IRC most have done this on occasion without any > damage. However you are definitely risking permanent damage with the > chance increasing with every second it is in this state. > > My advice would be… Don't do it and if you do it by accident then pull > the plug out quickly rather than listening to the interesting sound. > > (I don’t know if this also applies to gta02 or not) > > Ben. > > > ___ > OpenMoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTA02 Battery Capacity (Was: Re: More about the GTA02)
On Sun, 2008-03-02 at 13:21 +1100, clare wrote: > Andy I do hope you will put as much as you can back into GTA01, as I > have real hopes now of using mine regularly. +1 from me too :) -Tim > > thanks > clare > > > On Sun, 2 Mar 2008, Andy Green wrote: > > > > I think we will improve this a small amount in kernel updates we already > > know we can do, but how much I don't know. We already know we waste > > current with bad GPIO levels in suspend and can fix them (I have a list > > here to do). Also I "derated" these estimates somewhat just in case > > since I did not verify them. So I expect we exceed this figure soon. > > > ___ > OpenMoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Partitions
On Wed, 2008-02-27 at 13:26 +0100, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote: > On Wednesday 27 February 2008 11:36:40 Emre Turkay wrote: > > Hi folks, > > > > I see there are two 60Mb partitions on the device, one is mounted to the > > /var/volatile. 60 MBs seems so small for the root filesystem and I'm > > already having trouble. Is it really necessary to divide them? And what can > > I do to at least temporarily overcome this problem? > > GTA01 has only 64MB of flash, there's not much you can do about it. The other > partitions you see are using tmpfs, which is a filesystem on RAM. Hence a good reason to chuck your fs on the flash card :) -Tim > > :M: > > ___ > OpenMoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: tangoGPS, a new gps & mapping software for the Neo: Installation fails, needs libgps16.
On Sun, 2008-02-17 at 16:08 -0500, Christopher Earl wrote: > apt-get install gpsd Don't you mean ipkg install gpsd :) -Tim > > >>> Audrius Meskauskas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 02/17/08 6:09 AM >>> > >#!/bin/sh > >killall ld-linux.so.2 > > The installation fails with the message: > > ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for tangoGPS: > libgps16 (>= 2.34) > > Any ideas where this library is and how to get it? I have the gllin > installed and working (we work on a GPS Sight), and I tried to put the > shell scripts that were given in the first message of this thread. > > Audrius Meskauskas > > > ___ > OpenMoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > ___ > OpenMoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Request for assistance: Need a wiki page for buying and selling GTA01
Hi Bobby, This is a little OT but I'm a python web developer and noticed the site runs some python stuff so was wondering what language it is written in? Thanks in advance, Tim On Fri, 2008-02-15 at 19:21 -0600, Bobby Martin wrote: > I run a website (Frimp.net) that lets people post & search for things > to sell. The branding is not exactly attractive for a technical > audience, but it does let you specify your zipcode so people can find > items for sale near one another. > > It is, of course, all free to use. > > So sellers could create an account on Frimp.net (I don't collect any > personally identifying information, except your email address, which I > need to forward purchase requests) and list their neo. I recommend > putting the word neo1973 in the item title. > > Buyers can search for neo1973 and their zipcode to find sellers near > them. > > The site is targeted at US sellers, but other sellers could enter a > zipcode of 6 to sign up. > > I know it's a kludge for non-US sellers, but it would at least let US > sellers find each other, and it's certainly easier to use than a wiki > page whether the seller is in the US or not. > > If someone wanted to put together the CSS and images, I could create a > site running on frimp.net code that looks more neo-ish. > > Bobby aka wurp2 > > > Subject: Request for assistance: Need a wiki page for buying > and selling GTA01 > Hi Community, > > I need your help. > > Having completely sold out of GTA01, we are still getting a > large number > of requests for them. > > On the other hand, many of you intend to purchase a GTA02 and > perhaps > feel you have no use for your GTA01. > > Some of you might have other reasons to sell your GTA01. > > I'd like a wiki page to allow these buyers and sellers to find > each other. > > We have a wiki page for GTA01 owners who lived in 850 MHz-only > areas to > sell their units; perhaps this page can be repurposed for this > broader > issue. > > Perhaps we call this the OpenMoko flea market. > > Anyone? > > Michael > > > ___ > OpenMoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: odd UI for 12/01 snapshot
On Sun, 2008-02-10 at 02:34 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Just installed 20071201 snapshot and the nice black UI seems to have turned > to > odd window-like environment. Is this an option I should set ? Hi Wim, I have seen this in the past too and 'I think' it's an Angstrom default windowing environment and the black UI in the themed OM environment. Correct me if I'm wrong. -Tim > > W > > ___ > OpenMoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: What are pros and cons of the different devel environments: qtopia, android, openmoko
Hi Zeth, On Thu, 2008-01-17 at 11:08 +, Zeth Green wrote: > > So the questions remain: What features make you choose one over the other? > > And in particular, regarding Lorn's point below, how do you feel about > > the different APIs? > > I am a lurker in the Openmoko world at the moment. I am not a hardware person > and my ideas for applications involve a functional GSM. So I had a play with > the Qemu image but I am patiently waiting for GTA02/FreeRunner and will get > into things properly in Easter or whenever you guys are happy with the > hardware (no rush). I imagine there are many people in that position. > > Back to the topic, I am interested in OpenMoko for two reasons. Firstly, and > most importantly, as has been previously expressed, the current Android > platform proposals and similar Linux phones such as motorola's own Linux > platform are thoroughly uninteresting to me so far, there are already a > million phones that let you develop within the Java sandbox only. Do we really > need another one? Linux phones that in practice are less open than Symbian > seem a step backwards to me. > > For myself I like scripting languages, Python being my favourite, and I am > hoping the OpenMoko will either come with some kind of scripting language or > let me get one via the package manager. (I'm sure you guys have a plan for > this - as I said I am just a lurker so do not know all the details yet). I'm a python fan too: ipkg install python-core gives you python 2.5!! This is what I've currently got on my OM: libpython2.5-1.0 - 2.5.1-ml6 - Python Programming Language python-codecs - 2.5.1-ml6 - Python Codecs, Encodings & i18n Support python-core - 2.5.1-ml6 - Python Interpreter and core modules (needed!) python-fcntl - 2.5.1-ml6 - Python's fcntl Interface python-io - 2.5.1-ml6 - Python Low-Level I/O python-lang - 2.5.1-ml6 - Python Low-Level Language Support python-math - 2.5.1-ml6 - Python Math Support python-misc - 2.5.1-ml6 - Python Programming Language python-pickle - 2.5.1-ml6 - Python Persistence Support python-pycairo - 1.4.0-ml0 - Python Bindings for the Cairo canvas library python-pygobject - 2.12.3-r3 - Python GObject bindings python-pygtk - 2.10.4-ml5 - Python GTK+ 2.10.x Bindings python-re - 2.5.1-ml6 - Python Regular Expression APIs python-readline - 2.5.1-ml6 - Python Readline Support python-shell - 2.5.1-ml6 - Python Shell-Like Functionality python-subprocess - 2.5.1-ml6 - Python Subprocess Support python-threading - 2.5.1-ml6 - Python Threading & Synchronization Support -Tim > > Secondly, 400Mhz and 128MB of RAM is a lot of power, it was not that long a > go > that a laptop would have that much power, and on such a machine I want free/ > open source software that I can play with, i.e. this > http://wiki.openmoko.org/images/2/28/Openmokoframework.png > is in some senses a fulfilment of this: > http://www.gnome.org/mobile/gmae-arch-diag.png > which I think is a very good development because there are Python bindings to > all of these things ;) > > Best Wishes, > Zeth > > ___ > OpenMoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Acoustic feedback
On Tue, 2007-10-02 at 10:54 +1000, Lorn Potter wrote: > Michael Welter wrote: > > > > > > Lorn Potter wrote: > >> Michael Welter wrote: > >>> I was making some test calls using the Neo and Qtopia. When I > >>> performed the echo test (+13034144978 x820) I got repeating echos > >>> (like you see with two opposing mirrors). > >> > >> I used a wrong alsa state in the Qtopia tech preview image, which has > >> an echo problem (sidetone), which I think might be this. > >> > >> > >>> > >>> This has been on the list before, but OM will not send DTMF digits > >>> after the call has been set up. > >> > >> This is a bug in Qtopia. Comm guy loved that one. Has been fixed. > > > > The Qtopia sent DTMF digits just fine. OM won't send digits after the > > call has been set up. > > ahha ok. gotcha. > > > > >> > >>> Also OM is not able to make calls after returning from sleep mode. > >> > >> Known bug. Still working on this one. For whatever reasons, the modem > >> starts spitting out junk characters. > >> > >> > >>> And I think the calls are not disconnecting properly--if the Neo is > >>> disconnected while the called telephone is ringing, the called > >>> telephone continues to ring. > >> > >> I haven't seen this one. > >> > >> I am going to issue a snapshot update, since I got audiostate > >> switching fixed in Qtopia. > > > > Let me know if you need help with the testing. > > I think ScaredyCat from irc has setup snapshot image builds somewhere. http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/ ? Think this is the one you're referring to. While we're on this topic, I just wanted to confirm if I use one of the rootfs images from ScaredyCat's buildhost, can I use this with a) the kernelfs that came with the qtopia preview snapshot and b) with one of the kernelfs snapshots from ScaredyCat's buildhost? Thanks in advance, Tim > > ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Neo 1973 is sold out...
On Tue, 2007-08-07 at 08:18 +0100, Justyn Butler wrote: > Hi all, > > I contacted OpenMoko web shop about my order and quickly got a > response saying that they would process my order within the week. > > Then just now I received my "you've been charged" email, which is > great! > > So if anyone else is still worrying about the status of their order, I > strongly suggest you email the web shop and they will put your fears > to rest. I too emailed the web shop (and a FIC employee whom I saw popup on the community list) and got an instant reply + quite a number of correspondences since (and a your credit card has been charged message!). Go OpenMoko! -from an eager OpenMoko junkie > > cheers, > Justyn > > > > On 07/08/07, Bartlomiej Zdanowski AutoGuard Ltd. > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Ian Stirling pisze: > > > No, it's not 'sold out since yesterday'. > > It's 'sold out since several weeks ago'. > > They had a certain amount of phones to ship - 500 to 1000, > > and they knew at least when the next lot of phones could be > > possibly available. > > They had someone working through a pile of phones, shipping > > them out. > > It does not take a genius to work out that with 2000+ > > orders, that they are not going to be able to meet orders. > > This needs to be communicated to potential developers in a > > timely fashion, not once the guy sticking the labels on > > realises that he's out of boxes. > > I do agree with Ian. My ticket no was over 3500 after 4 days > from OpenMoko Shop opening. I belive that it has a least > doubled. So as soon they received over 1000 extra orders they > should run next batch at Factory. But we can assume that they > didn't. > I agree that OpenMoko is very important project and we all > have to be patient but there are some basic market rules that > have to be obeyed. Some of people who are not patient enough > will just spend their money on iPhone or other concurrent > product and will leave OpenMoko. Still besides OpenMoko's > euphoria there's a great commercial deal for FIC which is > still *the only one* OpenMoko's platform manufacturer. And FIC > should have more respect to people who are involved in > OpenMoko and still interrested in buying their phone. > Other aspect is that the more NEO's will spread throught the > world the faster OpenMoko will be developed. > > Best regards, > > -- > Bartlomiej Zdanowski > Programmer > Product Research & Development Department > AutoGuard & Insurance Ltd. > > Omulewska 27 street > 04-128 Warsaw > Poland > phone +48 22 611 69 23 > www.autoguard.pl > > > > ___ > OpenMoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > > > ___ > OpenMoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
OpenMoko Viral Marketing in the South Pacific
Hello, Just a quick note that the Neo1973 seems to have started its viral marketing campaign in the South Pacific - i.e. in NZ's largest national newspaper[1]. The article is a bit misleading, though, as it refers to the Neo in an image but is actually discussing the 'GooglePhone' - oh well "c'est la vie". -Tim Knapp [1] http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/story.cfm?c_id=5&objectid=10455627 ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Anyone, not billed yet?
Hello Sudharshan, Yes I haven't been billed yet. My order id is #2018, ordered 9 July, around 08:30 CST (Taiwan time). Joachim "roh" Steiger did confirm that my order is in the system and that my YES_I_DO email was received successfully. I was also asking anxiously about this on #openmoko last night and a couple of theories were that OpenMoko may be having problems importing the Neo1973 P1s into Taiwan or that my billing address for my credit card (i.e. it's different from the delivery address) may be slowing things up - can anyone confirm these theories? Thanks in advance, Tim On Tue, 2007-07-31 at 14:12 +0530, Sudharshan S wrote: > Hi all, > I just couldn't resist the urge to ask if there are anyone here who > had ordered the development release but *not been billed* yet. > Especially anxious since there has not been any word of the second > batch, AFAIK (ordered it on 11 July, around 0500 hours GMT). Sorry > folks, but when all the others are getting to play, hack and cuddle > with the neo, I feel jealous and left alone =(. > > Me want me neo... > > Regards > Sudharshan S > > ___ > OpenMoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: No response since YES_I_DO?
Hello Cassj, Yeah I haven't received a response yet either and I'm #2018. Thanks, Tim On Mon, 2007-07-23 at 23:28 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I haven't gotten any response or been charged on my credit card since I > replied YES_I_DO. My order number is 2012...oh crap...isn't that when > the Mayan calendar ends and the World as we know it ceases to exist? > Just my luck! :-P > > Has anyone else NOT received any response at all yet since YES_I_DO? > > Cheers...Cassj > > ___ > OpenMoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: community Digest, Vol 36, Issue 45
Hello Kero/Jeff et al, A NZ-grown opensource project that addresses the mailing list VS forum problem might help here - http://onlinegroups.net/ It functions a lot like Yahoo Groups and gives people the *option* of choosing their desired interface, i.e. mail client or web forum. Just my 2c. Kind regards, Tim On Fri, 2007-07-20 at 08:19 +0200, Kero van Gelder wrote: > > Is that searchable? Is it threaded? Will there be someone on 24/7 that is > > knowledgable and helpful? > > > > I understand that some people love IRC and mailing lists. But users expect > > to search and ask questions in a forum, not on a mailing list and IRC. I > > think it's about time for some forums. > > Funny, I expect to ask questions at IRC and search archives. > and I expect messages to be archived indefinitely, as a mailing list does > (I've seen many forums that don't, unless you mark "sticky"...) > > Besides, the usabilty of those forums is very clunky compared to a decent > email client. And if you want a webpage for these things? Use gmail. > > Now, if you like the subforums feature of forums, perhaps the conclusion > would be that we need more mailing lists. Atm, I doubt that. What would > be bad is to start a forum with the same scope next to an existing mailing > list, so we would have two places to search for the same thing. > > Bye, > Kero. > > ___ > OpenMoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Linux
On Sun, 2007-07-08 at 12:34 -0500, Jason Elwell wrote: > Vicente, > It is believed that the developer version (due to be released today) will be > available world-wide. The phone is un-locked, un-subsidized, so it is not > linked to any carrier. You should be able to use it with any GSM provider by > simply inserting an active SIM card. Which unfortunately excludes Japan as according to the wiki[1] there are no GSM providers there :-( [1] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_compatible_cellphone_providers#Japan > > Hope this helps. > > Regards, > Jason > > > On Saturday 07 July 2007 10:38:46 Vicente Alcañiz Buceta wrote: > > Hi: > > My name is Vicente. I am living in Japan. I wonder if you are planning to > > sell your open source mobiles in Asia.If you are intending to sell the > > phones in Japan with which telephone carrier? > > I just want to have a Linux mobile phone but maybe is not going to be > > release in Japan??? > > Cordially > > Vicente > > > > ___ > OpenMoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
