Dash Express Software on the freerunnner?
I was wondering if any portion of the Dash Express software might be made available for the openmoko freerunner, it seems like a great way to enhance both offerings (More capable phone, better traffic data). -Will ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Possibility of running Dash Express navigation software on the Neo 1973?
In light of today's press release ( http://gizmodo.com/339513/dash-express-runs-on-openmoko-foss-platform-nerds-heads-explode ) I was wondering if the software running on the Dash Express that allows navigation might ever find it's way onto the openmoko platform? Obviously in an open source form would be best, but I understand that might not be possible. Perhaps than as a monthly service so as to provide the same revenue stream for FIC that the Dash Express does. Any thoughts? -Will ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Community update: GSM firmware, 850MHz experiment, GTA02 progress
Hi, I live in Southern Minnesota, in the area indicated by the blue spot on this map: http://people.ku.edu/~cinema/wireless/cing-attws_800_850.html It would seem that I would be a candidate for testing the 850mhz reception. Let me know if I can help. -Will On Dec 9, 2007 8:46 PM, Richard Reichenbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael Shiloh wrote: Hi, GSM Firmware update: We've been informed that everything legal has been agreed upon by all parties, and all that remains is to get everything signed. Apparently the process of getting things signed takes a few weeks! 850MHz experiment: As mentioned before we're looking into offering an 850MHz variant of the triband GTA02. Since the GSM section is essentially the same between GTA01 and GTA02, we thought a good experiment would be to modify a couple GTA01 handsets for 850MHz and to test them out here in the USA. I just received these handsets on Friday and am now trying to figure out how to thoroughly test them. Rather than me traveling around the country, it might make sense to ship them to various users to test them with different carriers. Please write to me if you are in an 850MHz area and are interested in participating. Hey Michael, I just realized that I might be road tripping from Tucson, AZ to Fort Myers, Fl sometime soon. I'd be able to test 850 all along the south. Let me know if I might qualify for the test. Richard Reichenbacher ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: YAMA - Map Application intended for OpenMoko
I just wanted to mention Navit (navit.sf.net) It's a similar project but is GTK/C Based, we have it working with OpenStreetMaps, Garmin Maps, and Reiser Maps, it's coming pretty far along. Their's a bitbake file floating around, but you should be able to just use the recently released SDK to compile it for openmoko. -Will On Dec 7, 2007 12:16 PM, David Roetzel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, You can already download the Java and .Net Gtk version bundled with a small piece of openstreetmap.org map from here: http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=206985 (choose yama-20071206.tar.gz). They work on Linux with Java and Mono runtime installed. They should also work on OpenMoko with the Mono packages. If you try it, please let me know how it works on your machine. Up to now I thought that the Mono version will work on the phone with this Mono port: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-devel/2007-October/001583.html I just tried YAMA on my Neo with the 2007.11 snapshot and the aforementioned Mono packages. It worked like a charm! Keep up the good work, it looks very promising! Regards, David ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Application idea: Bicycle computer
The Polar HR Monitor equipment does a very simple 5hz pulse that can then be picked up and counted to get HR data.The hardware simply amplifies pluses in the 5hz frequency range, which could then be fed into a General Purpose Input Output (GPIO) line on the Neo 1973 itself. This is great because it's relatively simple to do, and alot of people have Polar HR stuff already. The ANT wireless protocol is used in alot of upcoming bicycling sensor products, Cadence censors, power meters, Heart Rate Monitors, Speed Pickups etc. from a variety of manufactures (Suunto, Garmin, PowerTap, Quarq) It is significantly more complicated since it allows multiple networks of device to interact in different ways without interference. Fortunately most of the complication is abstracted away by the integrated chips that thisisant (parent company garmin) sells. These chips provide just a serial interface, which is publicly well documented that can be used to communicate with these devices. The easiest way to get started is to buy a suunto pc pod, which is a has a USB - Serial interface that is then fed into the aformentioned chip that communicates to any ANT sensors. I don't know if/how the hardware could be attached to the openmoko platform since I'm not really a Hardware guy, though I suspect you might be able to pigy back on the i2c bus, does anyone know? -Will P.S. Chip Doc:http://thisisant.com/index.php?section=31 Protocl Doc: http://thisisant.com/index.php?section=78 Proof of concept:http://code.google.com/p/suuntopcpod/ On Dec 4, 2007 6:50 AM, hank williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 4, 2007 7:39 AM, Neil Davey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you are referring to the signal from the Polar straps, it is not really a protocol... It is just a magnetic pules transmitted when the heart beat occurs.. so is there a receiver chip one could buy to detect these magnetic pulses? I'm not quite sure how one goes about capturing that. Hank ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Application idea: Bicycle computer
Does anyone have any experience with the Hardware side of things? Possibility of integrating ANT directly into the Neo 1973? -Will On Dec 4, 2007 10:47 AM, hank williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not sure about the Polar units, but for things using ANT like the suunto cheststraps there are these: http://www.thisisant.com/index.php?section=31 Thanks, Yes I am familiar with ant, but was curious if polar was the same thing or some different broadcast system. Hank ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Application idea: Bicycle computer
I've looked into this quite a bit, if you'd like to integrate with a HR Monitor/Cadience/Speed sensor the option that makes the most sense is to use the ANT(thisisant.com) wireless protocol to interact with any of the sensor made by garmin or suunto.Suunto produces a USB-Ant interface called the Suunto PC Pod. I was able to get it to work in linux using the documentation available on thisisant.com a basic proof of concept (that reads the Heart Rate data) in linux is available here: http://code.google.com/p/suuntopcpod/ Since the Neo 1973 has USB Host, you could plug in the dongle and have it working without a problem. -Will On Dec 2, 2007 3:18 PM, Giles Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2 Dec 2007, at 14:41, Christian Surlykke wrote: Hello I'm interested in using the neo1973 as a bicycle-computer, utilizing it's gps abilities. Any comments/insights would be appreciated.. I have a Garmin Forerunner and the battery life is 10 hours. I'm not sure the Neo could last that long? The software is possible, but I'm not sure anyone needs the screen on? it's better to download the stats after a run, not keep looking at the screen and risk an accident or just getting distracted. They say you should look far ahead and not at your front wheel, that way you don't get so tired :) ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Gphone isn't open, linux dev not possible
upon further inspection it looks like your right, though I am still hopeful based upon this entry in the FAQ. http://code.google.com/android/kb/licensingandoss.html Assuming that this is true, it only strengthens the case of the Neo 1973 and openmoko project. If the 850mhz issue resolved, I'll be buying one. The ability to run various linux based platforms on the Neo 1973 device is great. Furthermore this offers great opportunities for porting the openmoko platform to any of the android based phones that should be coming out in the next year. They will already have a working kernel, etc. -Will On Nov 14, 2007 11:55 AM, Martin Kirchgessner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2007/11/14, William Voorhees [EMAIL PROTECTED]: that's what I thought, till I found this: http://git.android.com/ -WIll Don't be fooled it's only the kernel sources: they have to publish them, as required by the GPL. What about the libs sources? The VM? Marty ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Gphone isn't open, linux dev not possible
I wouldn't say I'm not concerned, but I'm hopeful. In one of the video's Sergy Brin says that it will be entirely open. I hope that google's Do No Evil slogan takes hold. -Will On Nov 14, 2007 1:34 PM, Festival.Star [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah that is true but Googles saying: Over time, more of the code that makes up Android will be released, but at this point, we have been concentrating on shipping an SDK that helps application developers get started. In short: Stay tuned. But what does over time mean, that can be 2 months but also 2 years. So at the moment it is definetly NOT open. William Voorhees schrieb: upon further inspection it looks like your right, though I am still hopeful based upon this entry in the FAQ. http://code.google.com/android/kb/licensingandoss.html Assuming that this is true, it only strengthens the case of the Neo 1973 and openmoko project. If the 850mhz issue resolved, I'll be buying one. The ability to run various linux based platforms on the Neo 1973 device is great. Furthermore this offers great opportunities for porting the openmoko platform to any of the android based phones that should be coming out in the next year. They will already have a working kernel, etc. -Will On Nov 14, 2007 11:55 AM, Martin Kirchgessner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2007/11/14, William Voorhees [EMAIL PROTECTED]: that's what I thought, till I found this: http://git.android.com/ -WIll Don't be fooled it's only the kernel sources: they have to publish them, as required by the GPL. What about the libs sources? The VM? Marty ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Gphone isn't open, linux dev not possible
that's what I thought, till I found this: http://git.android.com/ -WIll On Nov 13, 2007 8:51 PM, Doug Sutherland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah it seems like this Android is for phone companies, or that's google's current spaghetti on the wall idea. Even if it sticks, if they're just trying to make it some standard for companies, what will that buy the techie user? Nada. I'm finding it hard to motivate myself to even look at the SDK. Still skeptical, I have seen so many toolkits. Just what I need another SDK hehe. Reminds me of IBM alpha works. Don't get too excited until it actually becomes a product and you understand what any licensing and distribution restrictions there are. -- Doug Bill Cox wrote: unless you're a alliance member ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Community update: The 850 MHz issue
I realize the 850mhz issue is complex and you can't give an answer right away, but I'd like to know when we could expect one? I'm one of the many North American's who needs the 850 band, and If I know it's coming I'm going to start doing some software dev, if it's not I'll start looking elsewhere. -Will On Nov 7, 2007 2:29 PM, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was a little imprecise here. The circuit design, and thus board layout, is what limits the handset to 3 bands. The components selected (along with firmware and certification) select the 900/1800/1900MHz bands. Michael Randall Mason wrote: Michael said above that it was a question of a physical hardware change: The chipset is capable of quad band but the board was laid out to only support 3 bands. So, 850Mhz is not supported on the GTA01 board. Instead we support 900/1800/1900MHz. Board layout is a hardware issue. On 11/6/07, *Tim Shannon* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just curious, I don't know much about the hardware in question, but is it just a firmware issue, or does the hardware have to physically change to move between the 900 or the 850 frequency? ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Randall Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
OMG Awesome, Rasterman is amazing! -Will On 11/2/07, Steven Le Roux [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 2 Nov 2007 14:56:26 +0800, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 06:52:59 +0100 Pietro \m0nt0\ Montorfano [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: Oh yeah, welcome Rasterman!! So e17 also on openmoko phone? :D Wow!! I'm sooo excited! Um Hi Guys! :) *bounce* Hi ! E17 on phones - let's see. I'm really keen to see it be able to do that. If it means making a phone sexy - I'm all over it like stink on stinky tofu. :) Great news !!! I am e17 user for some years ago after DR16 user so I know you was specialized in embedded systems :) OpenMoko is a kind of a logical way for you :) great welcome and see you soon :) Steven (waiting for his Neo1973 GTA02 - EFL/OpenMoko :) ) -- Steven Le Roux [EMAIL PROTECTED] xmpp:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Hardiness of the Neo1973?
It's Bus powered, low drain though, info sheet says 50mA/h. -Will On 9/28/07, Jeff Andros [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/28/07, William Voorhees [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm also very interested in developing a Sports/Exercise style application for the openmoko. I'm an avid cyclist and I have developed a little program to read HR monitor data from the Suunto Heart Rate monitor using the Suunto PC Pod. It's a USB device that communicates using the ANT ( thisisant.com) protocol. I'll try and post some info/code about my work sometime this weekend. We should be able to plug this into the openmoko to give it access to all kinds of sports monitoring equipment. now THAT's a cool idea... I'd been trying to figure out how to get HR data over bluetooth... but the only hardware for that I could find was a full ekg setup... while it would be cool to have that depth of information, it goes way beyond what I really need, or want to pay for. It also removes the need to make a bluetooth cadence sensor (imagine how big a battery that would need) Very nice, but I haven't had a chance to play with a PC pod... is it bus powered, or battery? has anyone tried it with an unpowered bus? (I'm still debating whether or not I'll upgrade to a GTA02) -- Jeff O|||O ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Bluetooth Heartrate Monitor (was: Hardiness of the Neo1973?)
Hence why I'd look at the Suunto PC Pod as an interface to all the ANT equipment, It speaks regular ANT ( http://thisisant.com/index.php?module=resourcesmodule[EMAIL PROTECTED]int=action=viewid=41) over the virtual serial port '/dev/ttyUSB0' using the cp2102 usb-serial driver. There is some relevant info on http://www.iomule.com/Suunto_PC_Pod/Suunto_PC_Pod.html though I plan to put up some info about the Linux side of things this afternoon. Pretty much all sports monitoring equipment coming out in the near future uses ANT, though much of it uses ANT+Sport, which is a closed ANT network. To join this network you need to enter the 7 byte key, which is currently unknown to me. Perhaps some reverse engineering could be done to find this out, one route that might work would be to reverse engineer the firmware of the qruanium (http://quarq.us/) a linux open source bike computer, when it comes out. In the mean time all of the Suunto stuff uses an open network so it works. -Will On 9/28/07, Jeff Andros [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/28/07, Martin Thierer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone on this list with access to such a device who could check? Martin ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community According to garmin's site, they use ANT -- Jeff O|||O ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Ubuntu Fiesty Kernel .deb package
Since Ubuntu Fiesty is a pretty common distribution which doesn't encourage custom kernel building is their any possibility of having someone wrap up a .deb package based on the -generic kernel with the appropriate changes (gadgetfs) to enable USB networking? -Will ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Ubuntu Fiesty Kernel .deb package
The following Wiki page has the instructions about the modules needed to setup the device. While I have enough experience to follow them I'm unfamiliar with module-assistant, would it be possible to add the required modules through module assistant? -Will http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko_under_QEMU#Setting_up_USB_connection On 7/26/07, Mark Eichin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is gadgetfs separate enough that you can just use module-assistant to build it? William Voorhees [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Since Ubuntu Fiesty is a pretty common distribution which doesn't encourage custom kernel building is their any possibility of having someone wrap up a .deb package based on the -generic kernel with the appropriate changes (gadgetfs) to enable USB networking? -Will ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
