Re: sd card

2010-01-01 Thread clare johnstone
On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 6:54 AM,  blackfalc...@sapo.pt wrote:

 im using neovento 5.6. im trying to see some pics i have on my sd
 card. How do i get it to work. some help please. the sd card is vfat.


Hi blackfalcon1,
I am not at all sure about the vfat, as my card in the freerunner is
being used for multibooting and I am not feeling like taking it out to
try another. However you may like to know that neovento 5.6 contains
an imageviewer. It is part of lxde and its name is gpicview.
You can find it by searching for that in google.

I tried it using the menus and it is very frustrating as the menus
have never been set up to fit in the freerunner. What I did is as
follows:
First i have set up the LXTerminal in a suitable size and saved it;
but that may not be necessary,
I can just type in the terminal
gpicview /mnt/sdcard/L6.jpg
which is the only pic I have available, on the sdcard.
It shows it at 100%size and there are many icons in the bottom bar
which are probably explained if you read google about it.
Hope this helps.
I have liked neovento for a long time, but lately have done little
with it as there is very little help to be had, especially in English.
I will get keen again if anyone else is interested.
cheers,
clare

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Re: QtMoko v14 unable to send sms???

2009-10-09 Thread clare johnstone
On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 2:44 AM, Torfinn Ingolfsen tin...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi,

 2009/10/9 Pablo Miño pablodanielm...@gmail.com

 No matter if I reply a sms or start a new one, it happens the same.

 I have my image installed on a partition on a SD card, installed from the
 tar.gz file.
 --
Hi,

I am trying the tar.gz version and get the same result as Torfinn.

have done little more yet,
clare

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Re: QtMoko v14 unable to send sms???

2009-10-09 Thread clare johnstone
On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 5:56 AM, Radek Polak pson...@seznam.cz wrote:
? Btw the screen should look like this:

 http://activationrecord.net/radekp/qtmoko/screenshots/keyboard_skin.png

yes it did, on the 3rd change of input method, and then as i started
to type the red circle with X changed  to blue arrow, then   it popped
up a bar saying send and returned to the red circle then hit the send
and it made a place for the number, I hit the word switch which
appeared on the lower right of the keyboard and it made a number pad,
with useful extras. so could put in the number then it changed to an
envelope on the bottom right and that sent it. Earlier a press on the
same send bar also sent one, so those both seem to work at that
point..
I really like the keyboard ( except perhaps would change the layout of
the letters), but the switch feature and Shift are very convenient.
Why I said about the layout; I have been using an alphabet layout in
Neovento and am getting used to that.

thank you, there are a lot of nice features. By the way i found that a
press on the power button will enable escape from help. Till then i
was in despair.
cheers,
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Re: QtMoko v14 unable to send sms???

2009-10-09 Thread clare johnstone
2009/10/9 Pablo Miño pablodanielm...@gmail.com:
 No matter if I reply a sms or start a new one, it happens the same.
 When I start a new message (or reply a sms) I see a red circle with a
 white cross and when I start typing it changes to an orange pentagon
 with a white cross inside that is pointing backwards and it actually
 deletes a character each time it is pressed.


Hi Pablo, I get this (the pentagon which erases, when entering the
screen to make a call,
via the phone picture, left most of the 4 on the nearly empty screen
which has the lock at the right. It has on a bar at the top :Dialer.
But from the dialer screen I get to the messaging from the columns at
the right which has a picture of an envelope. press that and get
transported to the screen we are talking about. hope this helps, or is
yours not like that?
clare

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Re: [neovento-5.6] Modifying the keyboard

2009-07-08 Thread clare johnstone
On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 12:42 AM, neove...@freerunnerspa...@ymail.com wrote:

 ok thanks, found it:

 http://cgit.openembedded.org/cgit.cgi/openembedded/tree/recipes/matchbox-keyboard/files

Hi Neovento;
All seems rather quiet - is everyone on Summer holiday?
I did not succeed in finding how to make the Neovento from Debian; I
am still hoping to put it on my GTA01. Also I am looking forward to
getting a current Neovento for the SD card rather than flashing it.
Looking forward even more to learning how to set it up from the source
scripts. I tried getting files from opensvn.csie.org/fyp/data/ but
only a couple are there.

Hoping to see the new keyboard with all the patches. Mine has an odd
bug in two of its keys; is anyone interested in that? Hoping to see it
made transparent like the one recently announced called Literki, but
the picture of that has vanished it seems.

There are opther little problems, the time; because it seems to
overwrite /etc/localtime with the time file for Lord Howe island after
it registers GSM.

So can we hope to see a new version anytime soon?
thank you,
clare

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Re: Freerunner's Future

2009-06-06 Thread clare johnstone
On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 6:23 PM, Werner Almesbergerwer...@openmoko.org wrote:

 The good thing about a new start is that you can stop fighting the
 mistakes of the past and turn your full attention towards making
 new ones ;-)

 - Werner

Lovely, made me laugh which was needed after all that.

I will get started on it right now,

cheers,
clare

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[neovento-5.6] Modifying the keyboard

2009-06-03 Thread clare johnstone
Hi;
I am finding a lot of improvements in this latest version; and I have
not been able to try a lot of them, due to lack of time. however I
have changed the keyboard (attached). The main reason was that some
keys were not there. Especially some that I needed. e.g. backslash  I
now have on it all the keys on my normal keyboard I think. I have
tried to arrange them with some logic, mainly that on the 123 page
are most of the things I want to write on the computer terminal. The
third collection is not well arranged and has plenty of empty slots. I
think the european language characters and some others will fit well
there. I have found a few.
the sources I am using for characters are:
http://www.webmonkey.com/reference/Special_Characters
and
http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/sgml/entities.html#h-24.2.1

Does anyone know how I could make a numbers lock which would keep
the 123 page in place while it was being used?  It is possible, but
annoying to have to hit 123 before every number. I hoped to put that
function just above the 123 key.

thank you,
clare
?xml version=1.0 encoding=UTF-8?
keyboard

options
!-- not yet implemented --
/options

layout id=keyboard one


  row

key width=1600
	  default display=Esc action=escape /
/key


key fill=true obey-caps='true'
	  default display=a /
  shifted display=A /
	  mod1display=! /
  mod2display=#169; /
/key
key fill=true obey-caps='true'
	  default display=b /
	  shifted display=B /
 	  mod1display=% /
 	  mod2display=. /
/key
key fill=true obey-caps='true'
	  default display=c /
	  shifted display='C' /
  mod1display=$ /
	  mod2display=. /
/key
key fill=true obey-caps='true'
	  default display=d /
	  shifted display=D /
  mod1display=1 /
	  mod2display=. /   
/key
key fill=true obey-caps='true'
	  default display=e /
	  shifted display=E /
	  mod1display=2 /
	  mod2display=#162; /
/key
   key fill=true obey-caps='true'
  default display=: /
  shifted display=: /
  mod1display=3 /
  mod2display=#163; /
/key



key width=1600
	  default display=⌫ action=backspace/
/key
/row

row

  key width=1600
  default display=↹ action=tab /
   /key


  key fill=true obey-caps='true'
  default display=f /
  shifted display=F /
  mod1display=lt; /
	  mod2display=. /
  /key

  key fill=true obey-caps='true'
  default display=g /
  shifted display=G /
  mod1display=gt; /
	  mod2display=. /
/key

  key fill=true obey-caps='true'
  default display=h /
  shifted display=H /
  mod1display=# /
	  mod2display=. /
/key

  key fill=true obey-caps='true'
  default display=i /
  shifted display=I /
  mod1display=4 /
	  mod2display=. /   
 /key
 
  key fill=true obey-caps='true'
  default display=j /
  shifted display=J /
  mod1display=5 /
	  mod2display=. /
  /key
  key fill=true obey-caps='true'
  default display=; /
  shifted display=; /
  mod1display=6 /
  mod2display=, /
  /key



key width=1600 obey-caps='true'
  default display=, /
  shifted display=, /
  mod1display=+ /
	  mod2display=. /
/key


/row

row
key width=1600
default display=Caps action=modifier:caps/
 /key



key fill=true obey-caps='true'
  default display=k /
  shifted display=K /
  mod1display=~ /
  mod2display=. /
/key

key fill=true obey-caps='true'
  default display=l /
  shifted display=L /
  mod1display=| /
  mod2display=. /
/key
key fill=true obey-caps='true'
  default display=m /
  shifted display=M /
  mod1display=/ /
  mod2display=€ /
/key
key fill=true obey-caps='true'
  default display=n /
  shifted display=N /
  mod1display=7 /
  mod2display=. /
/key
key fill=true obey-caps='true'
  default display=o /
  shifted display=O /
  mod1display=8 /
  mod2display=§ /
/key
key fill=true obey-caps='true'
  default display=' /
  shifted display=' /
  mod1display=9 /
  mod2display=. /
/key


key width=1600 obey-caps='true'
  default display=. /
  shifted display=. /
  mod1display=. /
  mod2display=. /
/key


 
/row

row

 key width=1600
default display=Shift action=modifier:shift/
  /key

key fill=true obey-caps='true'
  default display=p /
  shifted display=P /
  mod1display=@ /
  mod2display=? /
/key


key fill=true obey-caps='true'
  default display=q /
  shifted display=Q /
  mod1display=_ /
 

Re: Solar charger (was Re: News Openmoko Shop Pulster)

2009-05-31 Thread clare johnstone
On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 9:26 AM, Peter Harrison cheetah...@gmail.com wrote:
 I thought I would provide some of my experience with using solar
 power. My experience involves using a 12v panel. You can get 12v


Hi folks, Another source for  our part of the world is
jaycar.com.auyou can select batteries and chargers/chargers and find a
solar panel car charger.  Also dc-dc converter many kinds, with prices.
cheers,
clare




 panels from all kinds of places. In order to step down 12v to the
 required 5v you will need an efficient dc converter:
 http://us.100y.com.tw/PNoInfo/21207.htm

 Do NOT use a 5v regulator as you will dump half the power directly
 into the regulator as heat. That is not only a waste of power but
 potentially a fire risk. From there you can get a connector to the NEO
 USB and simply wire in the power. I actually had a PhidgetServo board
 and wired the power directly into it. To get my NEO to charge I had to
 turn on the external charging and set to 500ma.

 The point here is that you will need 5v x 500ma = 2.5W in order to
 supply that kind of juice. This power is only available in full
 exposure. It also does not account for any conversion loss. I
 recommend using a 5W panel. Obviously if you can get a 6v or 5v panel
 you could use a basic regulator without much trouble.

 This is not a kind of panel you can carry around easily. Some
 'chargers' on the market have such low surface area they have no
 realistic chance of supplying the kind of juice required for charging
 in a realistic time frame.

 Here is panel I'm using:
 http://www.dse.co.nz/dse.shop/4a21d7f801e681262741c0a87f3b06ee/Product/View/O3345

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Re: [Neovento-5.4] angle brackets I have, but apt-get did not.

2009-05-27 Thread clare johnstone
On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 7:52 AM, clare johnstone clar...@gmail.com wrote:

 Really do need pointer to source in use please. clare

Never mind, I will find it. This is where I go away for a while, but I
will be back, please keep up the good work.
thank you,
clare

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Re: [Neovento-5.4] angle brackets I have, but apt-get did not.

2009-05-26 Thread clare johnstone
hi Folks,  Please excuse short reply. This comes to you via GPRS, on
the train. Igot the new version 5.6 but some doubts. I must recheck.
Really do need pointer to source in use please. clare

On 5/26/09, clare johnstone clar...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 11:07 PM, clare johnstone clar...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 Hi Arne,

 On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 10:41 PM, arne anka openm...@ginguppin.de
 wrote:
 BUT I have struck a problem, I can't do apt-get
 it says:

 what's the command you use?
 apt-get install less

 but wget has the problem so it must be something basic. no proxy.


 Hello again

 That was yesterday; I left it running and this morning turned on gprs
 and unplugged the usb and did apt-get install less and it got it and
 installed it.
 but reverting to usb with gprs off I tried apt-get update and got
 the same failure Err http://pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org unstable
 Release.gpg
   Temporary failure resolving 'pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org'

 and while I was writing that there are 2 new mails - from Arne and
 reznor. Thank you both. i will try the later release before going any
 further and it will be tonight as  I need to leave for work soon. As
 to the brackets being  in already, that is a worry, I didn't see them
 tho I hoped they might be there.  So it is the usb via the PC that I
 need to look at. If I get a chance I will try at work, but I have
 never done it there. more later,  thank you, clare


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[Neovento-5.4] angle brackets I have, but apt-get did not.

2009-05-25 Thread clare johnstone
Hi, am now starting on version 5.4, a bit late...
I have found how to fix the keyboard to do the angle brackets:
editing .matchbox/keyboard.xml

  key fill=true obey-caps='true'
  default display=f /
  shifted display=F /
  mod1display=lt; /

and under G I put
 mod1display=gt; /

So obvious when you once see it - being xml.

BUT I have struck a problem, I can't do apt-get
it says:

  Temporary failure resolving 'ftp2.de.debian.org'
Failed to fetch
http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/l/less/less_429-2_armel.deb
 Temporary failure resolving 'ftp2.de.debian.org'

but it is not a resolving problem as ping can get there.

debian-gta02:/etc# ping -c2 ftp2.de.debian.org
PING ftp2.de.debian.org (195.71.9.196): 56 data bytes
64 bytes from 195.71.9.196: icmp_seq=0 ttl=44 time=399.997 ms
64 bytes from 195.71.9.196: icmp_seq=1 ttl=44 time=407.846 ms
--- ftp2.de.debian.org ping statistics ---
2 packets transmitted, 2 packets received, 0% packet loss


Any thoughts - where do I start on that problem?
more another day,
thanks
clare

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Re: [Neovento-5.4] angle brackets I have, but apt-get did not.

2009-05-25 Thread clare johnstone
On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 11:07 PM, clare johnstone clar...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi Arne,

 On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 10:41 PM, arne anka openm...@ginguppin.de wrote:
 BUT I have struck a problem, I can't do apt-get
 it says:

 what's the command you use?
 apt-get install less

 but wget has the problem so it must be something basic. no proxy.


Hello again

That was yesterday; I left it running and this morning turned on gprs
and unplugged the usb and did apt-get install less and it got it and
installed it.
but reverting to usb with gprs off I tried apt-get update and got
the same failure Err http://pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org unstable
Release.gpg
  Temporary failure resolving 'pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org'

and while I was writing that there are 2 new mails - from Arne and
reznor. Thank you both. i will try the later release before going any
further and it will be tonight as  I need to leave for work soon. As
to the brackets being  in already, that is a worry, I didn't see them
tho I hoped they might be there.  So it is the usb via the PC that I
need to look at. If I get a chance I will try at work, but I have
never done it there. more later,  thank you, clare

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Re: [neovento] nand space workaround?

2009-05-14 Thread clare johnstone
On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 1:10 AM, Staley, Daniel L dlst...@uky.edu wrote:
 I recently installed neovento, and I like what has been done!

 However, because I flashed the neovento image to the nand, I am running 
 pretty low on space for installing new packages (And with the debian repos 
 open to me...it is surely quick to fill!)
 My initial idea was to copy my /usr to the uSD card and then just mount it on 
 boot.  I also looked at the mhddfs package (seems pretty neatnot sure if 
 it would work well here or not)

 But then i wondered if there was an easier waysurely someone has run into 
 this already?  What other ways have people got around the internal nand size 
 limitation?
 (Besides just installing the whole thing on the uSD card)


Hi Daniel,
What I did was make a directory on /mnt/sdcard which neovento has
already mounted it is the first partition on the card, named it cache
and then set up directories under it to match those in /var/cache
then change /var/cache to /var/was-cache   (a habit I keep originals)
then sit in /var and
ln -s /mnt/sdcard/cache

I had actually done it before and had a good collection of debs
downloaded earlier, and after setting it up like that again i did an
apt-get update and then installed a couple of things especially less
and apt-utils and man-db, it got the debs out of the cache - very
satisfactory.

cheers,
clare




 Also, does anyone have experience with mhddfs and could comment on if it 
 would work welll here?

 Thanks,
 -Dan Staley
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Re: (Neovento) gprs ui bug

2009-05-14 Thread clare johnstone
On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 6:45 PM, reznor schumi_8_2...@gmx.de wrote:

 What you do is simple:
 nano /usr/bin/gprsui
 strg+w search for 20
 change 20 to 25 or more.

 Ill generate a new image 5.4 with some changes including this soon I think.

Yes Please. While you are doing that, would you make some comments
showing how we can put it together from Source? I have hopes of
writing some documentation for it, and to install such parts of it as
are suitable onto my GTA01.

If you can't do it all at once, any comments about things we can play
with such as the above, are very welcome.

Thank you,
clare

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Re: [neovento] nand space workaround?

2009-05-13 Thread clare johnstone
On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 3:54 AM, neovento schumi_8_2...@gmx.de wrote:

 What's the reason not to just copy it completely on the µsd ?

 There will be a tar.gz rootfs soon.

Good!, thank you.

clare  - who thinks Neovento the best she has tried, and that was the
previous version :)

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[Neovento-5.3] a quick try - lovely

2009-05-13 Thread clare johnstone
Hi all, and author particularly;
The things I liked - the console font made more readable - and then it
got hidden by a pretty picture - how do I change that so I can read
the messages?
The black icon for brightness,
The screen locker, very neat, After locking it stayed bright but a
quick press of POW suspended it (it said that anyway) and a later
quick press recovered to usable.

The keyboard, interesting. This time I was able to change the keyboard
by putting a new one at .matchbox/keyboard.xml . Wonderful. and even
more wonderful, I replaced it with a copy of the one in the previous
version, and it came out shorter. So I was able to make the xterm 24
lines long instead of 13.  I have not yet looked at them to see how
that sizing is done but it will be obvious I expect.
The keyboard resize - please could it be made not quite so hairtrigger
in use? and could it come up lower on the screen? because I was
finding that to reduce the number of lines needed several tries.
Even better please tell me how to set the initial size of the
keyboard. (Although I now find I dont really need to do that, with the
shorter keyboard the current one fits.)

Not quite so good was the Menu item Accessories/keyboard. It got me a
keyboard, but I couldn't get rid of it, and pressing AUX which is what
I usually do for on and off keyboard looked like it got another one on
top of it but both now permanent. - reboot.

The change on the keyboard I really wanted was to replace something,
(and there are several possibles)  with  open and close angle
brackets. My first try a failure, the keyboard won't start, even using
a 3 character symbol already in use instead of the real anglebracket
one.

The time. Based on previous I have saved localtime file and linked
localtime to /usr/share/zoneinfo/Australia/Perth.  That got me WST
time. good. AND it survived reboot. much better -  I have been
wondering who wanted the time on Lord Howe Island...

But on another reboot (and I don't know what was different) I am back
on Lord Howe -  and it is the problem I had in  the previous version,
localtime has been overwitten and with it the file
/usr/share/zoneinfo/Australia/Perth.
I am now keeping a copy of that on  /mnt/sdcard for immediate use
until the problem is fixed.

more later, no time now - Thanks very much it is really exciting;

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Re: [Neovento-5.3] a quick try - lovely

2009-05-13 Thread clare johnstone
 The keyboard resize - please could it be made not quite so hairtrigger
sorry I meant the Xterm resize

clare

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Re: [Neovento-5.3] a quick try - lovely

2009-05-13 Thread clare johnstone
On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 12:30 AM, reznor schumi_8_2...@gmx.de wrote:

 So you mean the window borders are to small for resizing. That's true.
 I don't know if LXDE will make it into the next release or if it will be
 Qalee already.^^
 But I'll remember that. Of course you can change the themes by yourself.
 There are already some with thicker borders besides clearlooks.

No , what I was trying to do was shorten the xterm using the menu from
the xterm picture in its top line.
the resize in that brings up a little picture like several corners
sitting together. When moved it writes the
xterm size and changes the size. But it is too close to the top bar
and all happens very quickly. However since I found the short
keyboard, the standard xterm fits below it without need to shorten the
xterm. Note when it was in use in the previous version (3.18) the
keyboard was not so short.


This morning in the train, I was able to get the GPRS working, and
thus try Woosh and read the BBC news. This I have always wanted. As my
SIM card is GPRS and not GSM (except enough to get the GPRS) I have
not yet tried sound. I did see earlier version had a bug against
sound. I have other SIMS but none of them does both GPRS and GSM,
except 3 which won't work in the openmoko. It is not all the SIMS
that is the nuisance it is the battery chargers.

When i got the GPRS the time changed back from WST to LHST so somehow
it is getting time from the supplier and then
 resetting it. LHST is 2.5 hours ahead of WST, I can work it out, but
in Europe - 10.5 hours ahead of UTC.

more later,
thank you,
clare



 clare johnstone wrote:

 The keyboard resize - please could it be made not quite so hairtrigger
 sorry I meant the Xterm resize

 clare

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Re: [neovento] nand space workaround?

2009-05-13 Thread clare johnstone
On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 12:21 AM, Joel Newkirk freerun...@newkirk.us wrote:
 On Wed, 13 May 2009 13:10:03 -0400
 Staley, Daniel L dlst...@uky.edu wrote:

 I recently installed neovento, and I like what has been done!

 However, because I flashed the neovento image to the nand, I am
 running pretty low on space for installing new packages (And with the
 debian repos open to me...it is surely quick to fill!) My initial


Hi, it has apt-get. I cant do it just now but previously, as it
already has mounted the first partition of the sdcard as /mnt/sdcard,
I put just the cache part of /etc/apt   on the card and it then wrote
lots of things there quite happily. I hope it is as easy to do on this
new version.  I will try tonight.

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Re: (FYP) No input method?

2009-04-17 Thread clare johnstone
On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 6:15 PM, Paul p...@nlpagan.net wrote:

 I loaded FYP on my Freerunner, and I am rather impressed with what I saw.

Hi Paul, Yes, it is very interesting; It has inspired me to start a
webpage where I am putting some help files for simple-minded folk like
myself. I hope to add more to it as I learn more about the FYP.I like
it the best of the many images i have tried, but there is a long way
to go with the many settings available.
Also the phone part is not yet going for me. There is a pinball game
which I suppose uses the accelerometers and is the first to have
tempted me in many years.
I couldn't turn it off; I did try the wifi, and it picked up my
network's name, I have no more time now; but others please try this
and perhaps the authors will make a newer one.

http://home.exetel.com.au/claregj

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Re: how do i turn the phone off?

2009-04-16 Thread clare johnstone
On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 7:44 AM,  roguem...@roguewrt.org wrote:
 clare johnstone wrote:
 On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 1:34 AM,  roguem...@roguewrt.org wrote:
 clare johnstone wrote:
 ...
 I do however, especially with the GTA01, always remove the battery at
 this stage,
 and only replace it when I want to restart.
 Just hold in the aux button when you insert the battery.


 Confident? well I've done it more than 100 times ;)

Thanks, I will use that method.


 ... I'm just one of
 the lucky ones that still has their case clips intact, otherwise 'remove
 cover' may not necessarily be a prerequisite :)

Yes, the instructions for removing the cover really frightened me. So
I experimented with a knife inserted in the slot and then swiped along
the crack and it worked well. I can now do it easily with a fingernail
 always inserted at the same place just below the Power button, and
never need to endanger the clips as the cover once loose lifts away.
The cover has not worked loose,  (and my fingernails are delicate).
The insertion point shows no sign of damage on the black one and  if I
look very hard a tiny bit  on the orange one. The latter has been done
countless times due to above need for frequent battery removal.

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Re: how do i turn the phone off?

2009-03-30 Thread clare johnstone
On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 1:34 AM,  roguem...@roguewrt.org wrote:
 clare johnstone wrote:
...
 I do however, especially with the GTA01, always remove the battery at
 this stage,
 and only replace it when I want to restart.

 Just hold in the aux button when you insert the battery.

 Sarton

Oh! what makes you say that? and with such confidence too :)

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Re: how do i turn the phone off?

2009-03-27 Thread clare johnstone
On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 8:37 PM, The Digital Pioneer
digitalpion...@gmail.com wrote:
 Universal phone shutdown instructions (works on any distro):
 1. Remove back panel
 2. Remove battery
 3. Replace battery

Not on my Freerunner, this almost invariably provokes it to restart.
Possibly the Qi booting does it.


 4. Replace back panel
 Done!


 //Forgive me, I couldn't help myself. ;)

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Re: how do i turn the phone off?

2009-03-27 Thread clare johnstone
On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 3:41 AM, The Digital Pioneer
digitalpion...@gmail.com wrote:
 Yes, mine does to. But you cannot deny that, with exception to the case of
 another power source, the phone DID indeed turn off. :)

No, Sorry the mail went before I finished,  but I am glad someone else
gets the same.
I do however, especially with the GTA01, always remove the battery at
this stage,
and only replace it when I want to restart.

cheers,
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Re: Back to the Basics plan: Andy left

2009-03-24 Thread clare johnstone
Michele and others you could try reading what Andy said here:

fromAndy Green a...@openmoko.com   hide details   
 Mar 23 (17 hours ago)
to  Nicolas Dufresne nicolas.dufre...@gmail.com   
cc  openmoko-ker...@lists.openmoko.org  
dateMar 23, 2009 1:32 PM
subject Re: [PATCH] Forced shutdown for / Andy  
mailed-by   lists.openmoko.org

regards,
clare

On 3/24/09, Michele Renda michele.re...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 24/03/2009 03:44, Laszlo KREKACS wrote:
   The best would be just hire back those valueable people, and work out how
   they want to work. Even if they want to form a new (software) company, to
   make sure this situation will never happen again.
  

 Hello,
  who told you that he was fired from Openmoko? May be simply he wanted to
  move to another company.
  In every case I think is better to stop to speak until we receive a
  official announce (from OM or from Andy).


  Michele Renda


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Re: Qt Extended 4.4.2 SDK Build Instructions

2009-02-21 Thread clare johnstone
On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 4:02 PM, Filip Onkelinx fi...@linux4.be wrote:
 Hi,

 I'm using my own QtExtended image, based on :

 QtExtended 4.4.3 snapshot (13 Feb 2009 version)
 Kernel 2.6.28
 Based on Hackable1 (debian based rootfs, giving me easy access to all
 commandline tools. It is also possible to 'switch' between Qt  X.
 running from µ-SD

Very good news,
I hope this means that you will make available images for an SD card;

Thanking you,
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Re: [SHR] Why is the Powerbutton sometimes red and sometimes blue while loading

2009-02-07 Thread clare johnstone
On Sat, Feb 7, 2009 at 7:07 PM, Steffen Winkler steffen.li...@gmx.de wrote:
 oh, sorry...thought that it is the same in english.

 It means rechargeable battery
 Am Samstag, den 07.02.2009, 13:00 -0600 schrieb The Digital Pioneer:
 Sorry, but what is 'akku'?

It meant the same in English when I was a schoolchild (in Australia)
for a car battery, then the only rechargeable kind?
 but have not heard it used for more years than I will admit.

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Re: [Android] on SD card

2008-12-31 Thread clare johnstone
Radek thank you very much for this post. I was able to try the
Android; very interesting.
Having the SD card version was a great help. I like the real clock
faces especially.
I will try your further suggestions if I get some spare time, by then
it may all be different..
Good wishes for New Year,
clare

On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 12:05 PM, Radek Polak pson...@seznam.cz wrote:
 Hi,
 i have android booting from SD card. It wasn't that hard to make it work.

 You will need SD with one ext3 partition. Download and unpack tarball from
 here [1] and boot with Qi [2]. First boot take quite a lot of time. Then it
 will be faster.

 You can also compile from sources [3] and put the rootfs together yourself.
 You just have to put together what is in out/target/product/freerunner
 directory and add kernel (either the Sean's [4] or andy tracking[5]). I have
 attached my script which does this [6]. Last this is to modify init.rc file
 so that it mounts SD card, you can find it attached or here [7].

 While Android boots or later you can attach to it with adb like this:

 ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200
 adb kill-server
 adb shell
 adb logcat

 I hope this helps us with killing bugs that Android on FR currently has
 (suspend, power off, GSM crashes, ...)

 Cheers

 Radek

 [1] http://activationrecord.net/radekp/openmoko/android/rootfs.tar.gz
 [2] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qi
 [3] http://git.koolu.org/
 [4] http://people.openmoko.org/sean_mcneil/
 [5] http://people.openmoko.org/andy/
 [6] http://activationrecord.net/radekp/openmoko/android/mk_rootfs.sh
 [7] http://activationrecord.net/radekp/openmoko/android/init.rc

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Re: How do you like to read a phone number?

2008-12-29 Thread clare johnstone
On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 12:38 PM, William Kenworthy bi...@iinet.net.au wrote:
 Australia:

 Mobiles: 04nn nnn nnn (mobiles all *seem* to be prefixed as 04 - may or
 may not be true
The zero seems to be like the zero on an area code, - is omitted when the
country prefix is used.


 + is usually only seen with international numbers.  e.g.
 +61 (9)   is the same as 0011 61 9  
 (International call, Australia, Western Australia, local number)

Well he did say international, and I do think Australians are
getting used to the idea of what country codes are for and how to
dial the numbers.

cheers,
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Re: Version 2 -- New community distribution hackable1

2008-12-18 Thread clare johnstone
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 2:22 PM, Didier Raboud did...@raboud.com wrote:
 Marcus Bauer wrote:

 fully in the spirit of release early, release often we want to
 * This is not a judgment of quality of the given distribution.

 * I don't think that multiplying the _distributions_ is doing any good to
 the OpenMoko ecosystem as whole.

Well using that analogy, it is known as evolution, and survival of the fittest.

To me it seems the quickest way of finding the features that prove themselves
to be most popular; rather than those that get approval from a few people
in positions of power. If those few are off-beam, the whole project could fail.

So I welcome the diversity.

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Re: No more optimization team

2008-12-12 Thread clare johnstone
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 2:11 AM, Steve Mosher st...@openmoko.com wrote:
 Thanks david,

  One of the difficulties is CND. cannot duplicate which complicates
 finding the root cause. If you can generate logs that will probably help.

 Steve

Perhaps say what should be run in the phone and what to do to generate
the particular log you want and then I could do it too..

my phone after all can be relied upon to show its #1024..

thank you
clare







 David Garabana Barro wrote:
 On Thursday 11 December 2008 02:23:14 Steve Mosher wrote:
   RE 1024.

 The optimization team was not working on 1024. there is one
 dedicated engineer working on 1024 who specializes in this area. There
 is some understanding but not certainty on the root cause which may be
 related to the base station rather than the phone. I don't intend to
 distract the engineer assigned this task by asking him is it done yet?
 But I
 do want to assure folks that there is a dedicated smart as heck person
 on the problem. More later.

 Good news, then

 If you need some type of help on debugging (e.g. trying possible solutions
 and/or generating logs) count on me. I suffer this bug even with patch
 applied.

 It only works for me if I force calypso to *never*  deep sleep.

 Thank you very much!!

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Re: working SIM install, network problems

2008-12-04 Thread clare johnstone
On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 7:24 AM, Rodney Myers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Debian stable, and neorunner

 I have a semi-functioning Neo right now, thanks to the Hackable:1 folkes
 (http://www.hackable1.org/)

 I have changed all instances, that I find, from 192.168.0.* to 192.168.1.*,
 for my lan.

 I've followed this wiki page for networking debian;

 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking#Debian.2C_Ubuntu_and_others

 also changing the 192.168.0.* address'.


Hello Rodney,
I really hesitate to say anything, being overcome with admiration of
anyone who can follow that
wiki page that you quote.  It looks far too complex for normal humans
and far too automated
for someone who is just starting. If you dont agree with that  then
best to ignore what I have to say.

I have tried many images. One of the first things that becomes obvious
is that attempts to change
the mind of the Neo to use other than the network 192.168.0 will lead
to serious frustration.
So I accept that. My home network is equally  determined to be 192.168.2

When I want to comunicate from my PC to the Neo via the USB, I join
them with the USB cable
and on the PC run this little script ( as root)

#!/bin/sh
/sbin/ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 netmask 255.255.255.0
/sbin/route add -host 192.168.0.202/32 dev usb0


Then I run this one
#!/bin/sh
/bin/echo 1  /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
iptables -F
iptables -A INPUT -s 192.168.0.202 -i usb0  -d 192.168.0.200   -j ACCEPT
iptables -A INPUT  -s 192.168.0.200  -i eth+  -d 192.168.0.202  -j ACCEPT
iptables -A INPUT  -s 192.168.2.0/24  -i eth+  -d 192.168.0.202  -j ACCEPT
iptables -A INPUT  -s 192.168.2.0/24  -i eth+  -d 192.168.2.0/24  -j ACCEPT

iptables -A FORWARD -s 192.168.0.202 -i usb0 -d 192.168.2.0/24 -o eth+
  -j ACCEPT
iptables -A FORWARD -s 192.168.2.0/24 -i eth+ -d 192.168.0.202 -o usb0
 -j ACCEPT

iptables -A OUTPUT -d 192.168.2.0/24 -o eth+   -j ACCEPT
iptables -A OUTPUT -d 192.168.0.202 -o usb0  -j ACCEPT
iptables -A POSTROUTING -t nat -j MASQUERADE -s 192.168.0.0/24

At this stage I can  do
ssh [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Normally it will argue and I have to edit the file ~/.ssh/known hosts
by removing the line it is objecting to. It will then agree to the ssh.
Most people automate that process to avoid the editing etc but that
is a matter of taste only. Once you have things going without trouble
you can automate a lot of things.

good luck,
clare

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Re: [QtExtended] Best 4.4.2 image?

2008-11-28 Thread clare johnstone
On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 8:55 PM, Alishams Hassam
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I have been using qtextended  with mwester's kernel as a daily phone.
 Using even the unstable kernel, ontop of daily phone features (making
 and receiving calls, txt msgs, caller id, contacts off sim) it also
 suspends/resumes perfect, can play mp3's with the media player (using
 the headphones as well), and transfer files to the SD card. Should you
 have any problems, you can always switch to the stable kernel.
 http://moko.mwester.net/dl.html is where you will find the kernels. The
 only issue I have had is a missing terminal shortcut when I used the
 binary update for 4.4.1 to 4.4.2. Since you're not doing that, it should
 be fine :)

Hi, I did that, but if while it was still 4.4.1 I got the terminal and
hit options at
the right stage it will save the terminal into Favorites. Then when
it has been
binary updated to version 4.4.2 the terminal is still in Favorites and can
be used.

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Re: QtExtended 4.4.2 Changes?

2008-10-31 Thread clare johnstone
On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 4:30 AM, Lorn Potter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Sat November 1 2008 2:55:36 am Pander wrote:
 I've just tried 4.4.2 with mwester's kernel and it gets losts in an
 infinite pile of 'blah blah Magic bitmask blah blah' so going back to
 4.4.1.

 Does anyone else got it working properly or the same problems?

 I forgot to add mwesters file system changes to this image.


Hi Lorn,
Thanks very much for that note. Please will you be remaking it soon?
When you do  please advise  which kernel should be used with it.

If possible please add a link to say which toolchain and which source
we can use to get in sync with the current images.

thank you very much,
regards,
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Re: One more rotate version

2008-10-22 Thread clare johnstone
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 2:56 PM, Thomas des Courières
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Do you know http://www.assembla.com/ ?
 they provide for free trac, subversion, and team managing facilities.
 And they don't are affiliated with big brother ...


Beware:
http://blog.assembla.com/assemblablog/tabid/12618/bid/7019/New-subscription-plans-Clarification-and-even-better-pricing.aspx

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Re: FSO milestone3 my view (ON gta01)

2008-09-13 Thread clare johnstone
On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 3:43 PM, Fredrik Wendt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi.


 I hope I'm not the only one that think Zhone looks really nice (apart
 from the default background). Although it's just a temporary UI, put
 there to take advantage of the framework, I'm gonna miss it - it's
 simply beautiful.

 / Fredrik

+1

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Re: caught again by the 2007.2 dialler

2008-08-29 Thread clare johnstone
And I thought I had a problem on FSO Milestone 2 because of unable to
send numbers back to Voicemail - but I did have a hangup  button :)

And I *was*  fascinated to get Voicemail...
still hoping...
clare

On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 11:34 AM, William Kenworthy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Just got caught again by the 2007.2 dialler - on voicemail I was
 expected to hit keys to delete messages etc, but the display is blank.
 it wasnt even possible to hang up - I ended up pulling the battery!  Now
 I have to go find another phone to put the sim into to sort out the
 voicemail.

 Is there a solution?

 BillK


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Swap Space was Re: Partitioning 4GB with the Debian Installer

2008-08-21 Thread clare johnstone
On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 5:02 AM, Joachim Breitner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi,

 Actually, the install.sh should be able to handle that as well, at least
 theoretically. What problems did you have?

 Greetings,
 Joachim


When the installer partitions the disk, why does it not supply a swap
partition? Is it needed or not needed by Debian?
thanks
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Re: Debian on the FreeRunner -- now official

2008-08-20 Thread clare johnstone
On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 2:13 PM, Joachim Breitner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi,
.
 Illume needs the latest enlightment libraries, so we can package it as
 soon as the next e snapshot enters Debian. This will happen after the
 CVS→SVN change of e, AFAIK.

 Until then, you can use the AUX button to fire up a keyboard and then
 press Alt-Ctrl-X to get an xterm and Alt-Tab to switch between
 application. This is all a Debian user needs, right :-)

And then there will be a Window manager? and the above quick and easy
system will be gone??
I suppose it is a waste of the Aux button, but compared with Debian
startup on the
GTA01 it is a wonderful new world.

clare
(who really likes the simple and primitive - and fast)


 Greetings,
 Joachim

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Re: Debian on the FreeRunner -- now official

2008-08-16 Thread clare johnstone
The problem is in FSO ( see Michael's post re evas.)
The workaround is to precede the number with a few backspaces
clare

On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 2:06 PM, Risto H. Kurppa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 3:29 PM, Rorschach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 22:16:58 +1000
 Matt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I have a similar problem running Debain FSO, but in the dialer.
 The first number does not appear until I press the second.
 The symptom is reversed when I delete number.  thatis, the fist and
 second numbers entered are deleted at the same time.

 Yes, exactly the same thing happens for me!

 I have a variation of this at least when I first tried Debian: PIN was
 ok but when I started writing the phone number (044..), when I pressed
 the first 0, I got two. When I pressed backspace, it removed both.
 Other numbers were ok.

 r


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Re: Debian on the FreeRunner -- now official

2008-08-16 Thread clare johnstone
On Sun, Aug 17, 2008 at 1:02 AM, arne anka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Until then, you can use the AUX button to fire up a keyboard and then
 press Alt-Ctrl-X to get an xterm and Alt-Tab to switch between
 application. This is all a Debian user needs, right :-)

 as long as the keyboard is fully functional ...

It is beautiful, simply highlights what you press. doesn't jump it up,
predict or otherwise interfere with your typing.

PLEASE do not try to  improve it .
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Re: Which image

2008-07-01 Thread Clare Johnstone
Hi Folks,

I have tried a lot of images, and been frequently disappointed by
finding many Applications running on top of basic functionality
with obvious and longstanding bugs.

The latest image, the one called fso, is really exciting as it is simple
to start with, beautiful to look at and seems to be intended for steady 
improvement.
It has delightfully clear fonts for the big letters
and numbers and its very small ones  are still crystal clear.

I am apparently one of a small minority which sees the openmoko as
a little computer which can make phone calls. In addition I dont see the 
use of fingers as always appropriate on a screen with wonderful resolution
capable of displaying a lot of text.

Currently I have on the NAND side of the phone an interesting image
from ScaredyCat, well hidden on his site but still there (1)
which has
1. a qwerty keyboard, which is almost perfect (bug1270) being usable in
a terminal having control characters etc available.
2. The ability to detect all the partitions on my SD card which
enables me to write to it music, or text while it is in the phone,
AND to write to it images for loading from the SD card. Thus I can dual
boot the phone.

That latter ability I have not found on any recent images.
Whereas I have other images with those capabilities the one I refer to
has the extra advantage it is not cluttered with a lot of things
irrelevant to my really basic requirements and is thus a good basis
for experiment. (It can make and receive phone calls).

(1) Now I can't find it, the site seems to have been cleaned up.
It was called:
OpenMoko-minimal-openmoko-image-glibc-ipk-P1-Snapshot-20080227-fic-gta01.rootfs.jffs2
Please note that current bootloader does not dual boot for me and I am
still using another SCaredyCat special for that. I never did find out why
the one suggested in the wiki did not work for me.

This is all old history I suppose. The important point is that it would
be just marvellous if there was a group of people interested enough in
solid basic functionality so that the phone could actually be used, as
well as played with. This is one of the reasons for the importance
of dual boot.

clare


On Tue, 1 Jul 2008, Al Johnson wrote:

 On Monday 30 June 2008, Eildert Groeneveld wrote:
 Hello Folks

 so here it is the nice black box. It does boot and it could even connect to
 the Vodaphone network and got the LL phone ringing. great!
 But what now? The applications look rather skinny.

 What would be the best image to use currently. Is the FSO an option?
 Any advice?

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Re: What's the real scope of hardware openness?

2007-08-06 Thread Clare Johnstone
Earlier someone said:
I think you described just about every tech-savy teenager out there...

On 8/7/07, Luca Dionisi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Thanks for your explanation.
So, what are the current proposal for starting the real revolution?
I'm getting bored and frustrated. :)
 There has to be something that we could do from the
 base to get rid of the bastards.

Or to put it another way, there is a lot of  suggestion out in the
community that young people ( in schools for example) are becoming
more violent. This is just the manifestation of the same problem in
the tech area.

It is something that has always been there, but magnified by the
improvement in communications.

I think we have  a duty to work peacefully toward improvement of these
problems on all levels, rather than find ways to accommodate our
aggressive instincts. Note that this is not an easy way out; it
involves fundamental changes in understanding of what rights
individuals have in society, starting with parents. And it will take a
century or so; we may not have time.

clare, who is pessimistic about people, religion, politics, climate change etc

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Re: An idea for an advertisement

2007-07-23 Thread Clare Johnstone

On 7/23/07, Giles Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


On 22 Jul 2007, at 20:31, Adam Krikstone wrote:

 AGPS is where focus needs to be.  This natural (and free)
 comparative advantage needs to be developed to attract new
 developers and customers.

Unfortunately people will want Tomtom, much of the other stuff is
useless to most people.

You need GPS turn by turn routing to bring in the masses.


Nokia 6110 Navigator - advertised on the back of the bus I followed on
my way home,
and this is way away in Perth Western Australia..

clare

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Re: Again: Advertising thoughts

2007-07-16 Thread Clare Johnstone

On 7/16/07, Giles Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Jonathon Suggs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote :


 For the address book example.  I would prefer to have a list that showed
 only a few names with a large area for each.  When you clicked the name,




The important thing IMHO is to create applications where the base code is 
sound. Insert, Update, Delete, Select contact entries etc..



Hi Jonathon, How would you manage when there are a lot of names? My
phone is also
my phone book, and has pages of names in small print. This is why I
choose a phone with
a good screen and a stylus.  I don't altogether understand the
rationale of insisting on
fingers when there are so many pixels which can present easily read
detail.  Also I don't understand why there is so much emphasis on a
mass market which is already well catered
for; possibly to the detriment of the niche market which wants a lot
of functionality fom the
device. This little phone should be able to replace the laptop a lot
of the time, taking notes
in meetings for example (which i already do on my phone, small and
above all quiet.)
The improvement with the neo will be the easy transfer of such files
to the PC(linux).

clare


---
G O Jones





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Re: Support for Left handers

2007-07-14 Thread Clare Johnstone

I have noticed some suggestions for managing the touchscreen
which would be difficult for people lacking part of an important finger.
Arthriticky tendencies in those remaining wont help either sigh
Hoping for easy stylus management...
clare

On 7/14/07, Giles Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi,

I'm new here, I have an OpenMoko on order and hope to do some
development. I'll contribute ideas and bug reports at the least.

  I'm not sure I've ever used a touch screen mobile device that
caters for left handed people. On the whole there aren't many issues
with using devices left handed, so adding the support is easy.

The main problem is scrollbars, when they're on the right dragging
the scrollbar left handed results in your hand covering the screen so
you can't see what you are doing. So having the option of scrollbars
on the left would be useful.

Ideally if you implement such features in the interface and not per
application then it will all be transparent and less work will need
to be done.

Comments?


Giles.

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Re: Cheers for Harald

2007-07-13 Thread Clare Johnstone

Another little voice - Harald please take some time and get better,
You are a vital cog in this machine...
Clare

On 7/13/07, Jonas Berlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Quoting Mikko Rauhala on 07/12/2007 04:39 PM UTC:
 to, 2007-07-12 kello 04:43 -0400, Phil Schaffner kirjoitti:
 Harald Welte's blog
 http://gnumonks.org/~laforge/weblog/2007/07/11#20070711-insanity
 [...]

 Eyeing at the earlier posts and other stuff on what's been going on, no
 wonder there's some burnout (one assumes) going around...

 Thanks for all your commentary and work so far, don't kill yourself with
 it. I'm sure I speak for more than myself in wishing you a speedy but
 decidedly not hurried recovery.

Right on..

Take care!

--
- xkr47

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Re: No stylus on V1 release?

2007-03-25 Thread Clare Johnstone

Hi Elrond, Thank you for that.  It is a partial solution to my
concern about children. I am still hoping for a stylus that is
part of the phone, for convenience reasons.

The suggestions about an alternative back were promising.
My current phone has the stylus in a slot at the back and
it is wonderful. I have trained myself always to put it back
after use and I always have it,
That means all I need to grab to take with me is the phone.
The only other thing I carry all the time is my keys.
One of them maybe will do as a stylus.
clare.

On 3/25/07, Elrond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On Sun, Mar 25, 2007 at 08:16:46AM +0800, Clare Johnstone wrote:
 Dear all,
 This frightens me in my role as mother, grandmother etc, i.e. a
 representative of the public to which you hope to sell this phone.
 Essentially any laser device powerful enough to be useful has no place in
 a home which may ever have children in it. (Even quite old ones).

 clare

Hi Clare!

I like it, that you think about this.

But as all laser pointers are battery powered, what's about
just not putting batteries in the stylus? Okay, you wont be
able to use the torch, but if you feel better with a plain
stylus without any extras?

_Guessing_ from koen's unboxing the neo pictures, the
batteries are shipped seperately, so you just don't install
them in the first place and leave them in the box.


As one of those few who don't own a laser pointer/torch
thingy, I anyway wonder how long the batteries last...


Elrond



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Re: No stylus on V1 release?

2007-03-24 Thread Clare Johnstone

Dear all,
This frightens me in my role as mother, grandmother etc, i.e. a
representative of the public to which you hope to sell this phone.
Essentially any laser device powerful enough to be useful has no place in
a home which may ever have children in it. (Even quite old ones).

clare


On 2/16/07, Ian Stirling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

denis wrote:
 Ian Stirling schrieb:
 Stefan Schmidt wrote:



 It has a stylus, but no place in the case to hide it.


 My thoughts on this: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Expansion_Back - a
 modified case.



Should we add that page to the hardware wish list?


and someone did, thus:
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wish_List_-_Hardware#Laser_Pointer

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Re: No stylus on V1 release?

2007-03-24 Thread Clare Johnstone

Yes, that is the whole problem. This would be an item in constant and
casual use in the home, with no special precautions as might be used
for knives, hot stoves or poisons, and bound to cause a curious child
to experiment with it.
clare

On 3/25/07, Joe Pfeiffer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Clare Johnstone writes:
Dear all,
This frightens me in my role as mother, grandmother etc, i.e. a
representative of the public to which you hope to sell this phone.
Essentially any laser device powerful enough to be useful has no place in
a home which may ever have children in it. (Even quite old ones).

While a laser pointer can conceivably do damage, it's nowhere near as
dangerous as a steak knife or even a ballpoint pen, and is in nothing
like the same league as a bicycle.


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Re: Proposal: Personal Data Encryption (maybe SoC?)

2007-03-19 Thread Clare Johnstone

On 3/20/07, Jim McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


continually asking the user to decide which data is to be encrypted and
which not.



There is the concept of folders which could be used :)
clare

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Re: Crossroads

2007-03-13 Thread Clare Johnstone

On 3/14/07, Martin Lefkowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Why don't you collect all the information that came on this email list
and post it to the Wiki, or FAQ?


Marty



Aha! Thank you Marty, that is a way out of this Merry-Go_round.
Otherwise I was thinking about the normal advice Don't feed the trolls
clare

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Minor query on Wiki? Where was I supposed to send it?

2007-03-11 Thread Clare Johnstone

Hi,
I was trying to find an email address for the wiki administrator
to send this query (attached), but failed.
(If I had wanted to edit the wiki there was help for that (lots).)

Sorry to waste space on this list,
clare


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The 911 button? how is it set up?

2007-03-10 Thread Clare Johnstone

Hi all,
Just looking at the  information on the Wiki about the hardware,
I got curious about the so-called 911 button. I am supposing it is for
emergency calls, but is my country (Australia) alone in not using
that number for emergencies?
Looking up what we do use, I found:

http://www.telstra.com.au/mobile/life/community/emergency.htm#
quote
You can still attempt a normal '000'emergency call from a GSM mobile
but if you do not have reception, you can dial '112' and your call
will be carried by any available GSM network.
endquote

I also wonder  about how it is protected from non-emergency
presses, it apparently being the only button other than the power
button.

With many thanks for all that has been done so far..
clare

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