Re: Recommended GTA01 images?

2009-04-05 Thread polz
On Sunday 05 April 2009 05:40:50 Ben Wilson wrote:
 try   shr-lite-image-om-gta01.jffs2   from

How did you get it to fit in the flash, along with gllin?

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Re: Optimization team update (11/30 ~ 12/06)

2008-12-09 Thread polz
On Tuesday 09 December 2008 13:52:13 Gothnet wrote:

 I know it's important for OM to keep moving forward, but really, focusing
 on gta03? Already?
Don't worry about it, the improvements will be back-ported.
 It's been a few months since GTA02 went GA and we still don't really have a
 working system, focusing most effort on GTA03 now seems to be an
 abandonment of freerunner owners.
The situation GTA02 users are in now is similar to the situation GTA01 users 
were in when GTA02 came out. If anything, the GTA02 users are better off since 
there are more Freerunners out there than there are Neo1973s.

Even if the people at Openmoko stop working on GTA02 completely and just 
create a stable, working rootfs for the phone, along with a reliable 
 With the software in the state it was when the 02 came out, I certainly
 won't be buying a 03 until OM proves it can actually make something that's
 a useful product rather than just a public alpha.
That's just common sense. If you want a working phone, just stick to the 
Freerunner, maybe try and help get it into a working state. Once the base 
system is working, you can always buy a GTA03 to get some new, faster, shinier 
 this goes double if the
 alpha product is essentially left for dead without ever being fully
Don't worry, the software on your phone is free, it'll stay supported as long 
as there's at least one user willing to keep building images/packages for it. 
You're likely to run out of replacement parts or break it unintentionally way 
before then.

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Re: us network and Uuntu 8.10 - is there a better way?

2008-11-24 Thread polz
On Monday 24 November 2008 20:19:55 Torfinn Ingolfsen wrote:

 I recently upgraded my laptop to Xubuntu 8.10, and now I run into the
 issues described in USB Networking[1] on the wiki:
... same here
 Manual setup still works, but it is cumbersome.
 Is there a better way?

It's possible to use NetworkManager to connect to your Neo1973 or Freerunner.
I've created the files /etc/udev/rules.d/80-freeruner.rules and 
/usr/local/sbin/ as described in the wiki. The phone now 
connects automatically whenever I plug it in.

I still have to run /etc/network/freerunner manually once per session in order 
to set up masquerading and DNS forwarding, but that's still much better than
having to run ifdown usb0; ifup usb0 every time the phone is plugged in.

Hope this helps.

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Re: WSOD (ticket #1841) (unofficial) survey question

2008-11-14 Thread polz
On Thursday 13 November 2008 09:14:01 grslmpf wrote:
  Mayby the Glamo will work only partly caused by a bad reset?
I've experienced the WSOD about three times in the last six months on
a Neo 1973. It only appears if I use an X server (I've never seen in on 
Qtopia). Since the 1973 doesn't have Glamo, the source of the problem probably 
lies elsewhere.

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Re: Is Neo1973 truly abandoned?

2008-08-15 Thread polz
On Thursday 14 August 2008 20:03:43 John Locke wrote:

 I'd say, the minimum that we need for GTA01 would:

 1. have working, reliable GSM service to use as a phone
This works with both Qtopia and the old GTK based OpenMoko distribution. It 
also works with FSO.
 2. have working, reliable suspend/resume so that you can get more than 4
 hours at a time, without breaking the other features
This has been working for me for more than a month now. The only problem I've 
noticed is that either the GPS or GSM seems to sometimes go beserk. The main 
CPU is suspended but the phone is warm to the touch and the battery is 
emptied in a few hours.
 3. provide working SMS,
So far I've only got this to work with Qtopia.
 4. have an address book, and calendar in some form that can be
 synchronized with desktop/online services
to be done
 5. have a GPS/mapping software that works.
 So as best I can tell, we have 4 out of 5, but not even in any
 combination that can be run together.
Since most of the development done for the FreeRunner seems to also benefit us 
GTA01 users, I'm pretty sure we'll get there in a few months. Also, since the 
main improvement over the previous version seems to be eyecandy, I don't feel 
like we're missing much by not having access to a pre-built 2008.8 image.

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Re: The Song of Arkadia

2008-07-21 Thread polz
On Monday 21 July 2008 21:35:15 Esben Stien wrote:
 Any info on arcade games ported to the freerunner?.
Most should run after a recompile. How you're going to play them without a 
keyboard is another matter.

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Re: QVGA V/s VGA for GTA03 (was something about yummy CPU-GPU combos!)

2008-06-08 Thread polz
IMHO, if the 320x240 display is readable under bright sunlight, it might be a 
better choice than the VGA display used in the GTA01. With the current 
display, the phone looks great inside a building / conference hall / photo 
studio, but it's pretty much useless as a GPS device you'd want to use when 
you're outside.

Before releasing a phone for the general public, pleasepleaseplease use it as 
your only phone for a week or so. Otherwise, the negative reaction from the 
press might cost you your reputation.

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Re: atomic clock / radio-receiver chip

2008-06-01 Thread polz
On Sunday 01 June 2008 21:33:15 Ilja O. wrote:

 But why there are no clocks at the orbit? They could be useful enough.
 E.g. if there are several of them each on predefined geostationary
 orbit we could do lots of useful things with them! For example, we
 could prove that general relativity indeed exists (although ionosphere
 would likely to spoil party at some degree).

Or you could add a radio transmitter to each of the clocks in lower, almost 
circular orbits, and then use the differences between the times recieved from 
multiple orbiting atomic clocks to pinpoint your locations. You'd need a lot 
of them, though, probably something like 24 clocks in 3 orbital planes. OK, 
maybe you could get by with 21, if you beleived you don't need any spares.

But naah, that would never work ;.

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Re: Video of Qt 4.4 on Neo1973: brings iPhone like graphics

2008-04-24 Thread polz
On Thursday 24 April 2008 05:52:52 Carsten Haitzler wrote:
 On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 18:28:40 +0200 thomasg [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:

 yup. those 7m/sec (that's write to video ram) is also shared with SD card
Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems to me that this means it should be 
impossible to playback videos in full-screen from an SD card on a gta02.
640*480*25 = 768 and that's with 8bpp.

Has anyone tested video playback on a GTA02 yet ?

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Re: Neo Freerunner manufacturing status

2008-03-20 Thread polz
On Wednesday 19 March 2008 19:24:30 Michael Shiloh wrote:
 Hi Ian,

 Since I'm in California and the factory is in China, it's a little
 difficult for me to know exactly what the plan is and where there are
 concerns and weaknesses.
I know it's probably too late, but will the screen on the FreeRunner be the 
same as the one on the Neo 1973 ?
Because if that's the case - has anyone actually tried using the phone 
outside, in broad daylight, in the sun ?
It might just be me, but I personally find it hard to find the buttons on the 
screen due to the glare of the screen. Unless the reviewers only test the 
phone inside an office, it's going to be difficult to sell the device to 
general consumers, even once the software is finished.

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Re: 2.6.24 kernel RNDIS is not work when I use the same NeoRndis.inf

2008-03-17 Thread polz
On Monday 17 March 2008 10:03:04 Xiangfu Liu wrote:

 i flash my NEO1973 with the new kernel
 when i connect to the Windows XP
 it 's not  work
 i can see the Device in the computer but it is not work
 but it's work with Ubuntu.
Have you installed the neccessary drvers ?

Neo1973 presents itself as a USB ethernet card to the computer. Without the 
neccessary drivers, it can't work. The drivers are included with Ubuntu, For 
Windows, you're on your own.

You'll also need a program to connect to your Neo. I suggest you use putty.

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Re: Community update: The 850 MHz issue

2007-11-06 Thread polz
On Tuesday 06 November 2007 17:22:22 Jeffrey Thomas wrote:
  Its really hard to imagine a company building a phone that didnt think
  through what frequencies were needed. More interestingly, that it took
  a trip from Michael to Taiwan to get anyone to focus on it. If this
  substantially sets back the development effort, it really is a major
  blow to the project.

 Isn't it possible that the FIC's main userbase, in Asia, doesn't have this
 band to worry about?  I live in the US but it seems like all of these
 comments are focused on *our* coverage, like we're the center of the
Why were the phones shipped from the US, then ? Perhaps it would have made 
more sense to ship them from the EU where they seem to work fine and help 
many people save some dollars.

Luckily, I got a friend of mine to bring the phone across the Atlantic and it 
seems to work with both major mobile providers in our country (Slovenia).

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Re: Apple is going to beat all competitors

2007-09-07 Thread polz
On Friday 07 September 2007 19:25:17 Shawn Rutledge wrote:
 On 9/7/07, Nkoli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  The mass produced version will be $450. There will also be the issue of
  nokia's upcoming touchscreen device to contend with.

 I think it will need to be $300 or less to sell large quantities.

... And have a screen that's easily readable. even in the sun
and working power management
and an easily accessible SD slot
and stable software.

The Neo 1973 at the moment has none of these things.
IMHO a much better target market would be vertical applications. With the base 
libraries under LGPL, various software vendors are likely to prefer OpenMoko 
to old, unsupported WindowsCE crap some of them have to put up with now. In 
this respect, the GTA02 might yet become a great success - not as huge as the 
iPhone, but good enough for GTA03 or even 04 to be able to take on the mighty 

Oh, and the community needs to remain as enthusiastic and helpful as it is 
now. Which I beleive is likely.

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Re: How snappy can the Openmoko GUI get using GTK?

2007-09-04 Thread polz
On Monday 03 September 2007 20:24:38 Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote:

 I wish to have time doing some benchmarks of e.g. GtkFB vs.
 GtkDirectFB vs. Gtk/X11 -- likewise EFL/X11 vs. EFL/Fb. Delivering
 factual numbers for things like that would be very interesting for us.
While this might not be a benchmark, I've noticed that mplayer works better 
with -vo dbdev than with -vo x11.

noslices=true also improves performance.

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Re: Durability of the Neo1973?

2007-05-15 Thread polz
On Tuesday 15 May 2007 18:26:57 Sean Moss-Pultz wrote:

 Most all the parts are now at the factory. The May 10th run has been
 delayed about two weeks because of last minute supply coordination
 issues. But I'm still being told that we're on to have devices this
At least to me, the neo1973 is looking more and more like vapourware, an 
experiment in marketing, whose purpose is to:

1.) estimate the size of the potential market for OpenMoko devices
2.) see how long the hype will last.

Can anyone here suggest an HTC phone which can be bought in Europe for less 
than $400 and can run linux well enough to dial out and somehow connect to a 
PC ?

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Re: Audio Jack 2.5 mm

2007-04-24 Thread polz
On Tuesday 24 April 2007 20:20:38 Ian Stirling wrote:
 Jeff Andros wrote:
  On 4/24/07, *Flemming Richter Mikkelsen* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  In reply to my own mail:
  I have a motorola that has only one connector: the usb.
  It works great for hands free. I don't know if this is supported by
  the neo1973 hardware but if it is, this could be
  the solution.
Multiplexing the USB and audio would eliminate any chance of using both the 
headphones and an unpowered USB addon at the same time, severely limiting the 
hackability (is that even a word ?) of the phone.
 The USB chip is integrated into the SOC, the sound chip is on another
 bus. You can get arbitrary sound quality over USB, with a USB DAC.
Don't these cost (an order of magnitude) more than simple headphones + an 
adapter ?

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addon sleeves / casings - wish

2007-01-27 Thread polz
According to this image:,
the Neo1973's casing is supposed to have two pairs of grooves on each side. 

Are these grooves going to be deep enough to make it possible to firmly attach
add-ons to the back side of the phone ?

Since many tinkerers will probably want to add hardware like powered USB hubs 
and other hardware to the phone, some sort of clip-on system might be useful. 
If the grooves are there for some other purpose - would it still be possible 
to add such a feature to the casing ? I know it's late, but perhaps, just 
perhaps, the moulds could still be modified, just before the first phones are 

On a related note - will it be possible to buy the telephone (addon) casings 
alone, without any electronics ? 

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