Re: [Shr-User] Alternatives to FR

2010-02-12 Thread Helge Hafting
Margo wrote: > The Officer S101 seems interesting: > http://www.road.de/en/handypcs/officer.html > http://blog.hackable1.org/2009/08/running-hackable1-on-the-road-officer-s101.html Wow. At least a _useable_ hw keyboard. That is, one that has a couple of keys to the right of 'p' and 'l'. Which is

Re: [Shr-User] Alternatives to FR

2010-02-10 Thread Bill Kenworthy
On Wed, 2010-02-10 at 23:01 -0500, Joshua Judson Rosen wrote: > GNUtoo writes: > > On Mon, 2010-01-04 at 01:12 +, William Kenworthy wrote: > > > > > > Flow - good but pricy, and unless I am looking at the design wrong, > > > there is only one adapter/interface socket so you can have a phone, o

Re: [Shr-User] Alternatives to FR

2010-02-10 Thread Alex (Maxious) Sadleir
On 2/11/10, Joshua Judson Rosen wrote: > GNUtoo writes: > > On Mon, 2010-01-04 at 01:12 +, William Kenworthy wrote: > > > > > > Flow - good but pricy, and unless I am looking at the design wrong, > > > there is only one adapter/interface socket so you can have a phone, or a > > > GSM device,

Re: [Shr-User] Alternatives to FR

2010-02-10 Thread Joshua Judson Rosen
GNUtoo writes: > On Mon, 2010-01-04 at 01:12 +, William Kenworthy wrote: > > > > Flow - good but pricy, and unless I am looking at the design wrong, > > there is only one adapter/interface socket so you can have a phone, or a > > GSM device, but not both at the same time. > > > > Nokia n900 -

Re: [Shr-User] Alternatives to FR

2010-02-10 Thread Al Johnson
On Wednesday 10 February 2010, GNUtoo wrote: > On Mon, 2010-01-04 at 01:12 +, William Kenworthy wrote: > > What alternatives to the FR (with the same functionality) are there? I > > want 3G phone/sms access and the FR doesnt cut it any more ... > > None yet,palm pre comming very soon...(huge

Re: [Shr-User] Alternatives to FR

2010-02-10 Thread GNUtoo
On Mon, 2010-01-04 at 01:12 +, William Kenworthy wrote: > What alternatives to the FR (with the same functionality) are there? I > want 3G phone/sms access and the FR doesnt cut it any more ... None yet,palm pre comming very soon...(huge progress have been made with the modem.) > > The androi

ROAD Officer S101 - does it support UMTS? (was: Re: [Shr-User] Alternatives to FR)

2010-01-30 Thread Brolin Empey
Please avoid top-posting. That is all I will say: I do not want to start Yet Another™ posting style debate! :P W.Kenworthy wrote: > This is one I was not aware of - looks nice but its still not 3G capable AFAICT, you are correct: the tech specs page [1] does not mention 3G/UMTS/W-CDMA. Howe

Re: [Shr-User] Alternatives to FR

2010-01-10 Thread Lowell Higley
On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 3:36 PM, Marc-Olivier Barre wrote: > On Sat, 9 Jan 2010 12:58:38 +0100, Lowell Higley > wrote: > > On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 2:12 AM, William Kenworthy > > wrote: > > > >> What alternatives to the FR (with the same functionality) are there? I > >> want 3G phone/sms access and

Re: [Shr-User] Alternatives to FR

2010-01-09 Thread John Locke
Hi, Haven't been reading the list much in a long time... I have a Neo, which I never could use as a day-to-day phone, due to battery life. Now I've got an N900, just wanted to comment on this: From: Laszlo KREKACS > I also doubt if it runs smoothly on a weaker device (processor-wise). Today > o

Re: [Shr-User] Alternatives to FR

2010-01-09 Thread Marc-Olivier Barre
On Sat, 9 Jan 2010 12:58:38 +0100, Lowell Higley wrote: > On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 2:12 AM, William Kenworthy > wrote: > >> What alternatives to the FR (with the same functionality) are there? I >> want 3G phone/sms access and the FR doesnt cut it any more ... >> >> > Sorry to join the conversatio

Re: [Shr-User] Alternatives to FR

2010-01-09 Thread Lowell Higley
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 2:12 AM, William Kenworthy wrote: > What alternatives to the FR (with the same functionality) are there? I > want 3G phone/sms access and the FR doesnt cut it any more ... > > Sorry to join the conversation so late but this is my favorite so far as a FreeRunner replacement.

Re: [Shr-User] Alternatives to FR

2010-01-09 Thread Noel
On 1/8/10, Laszlo KREKACS wrote: > So Im back to my waiting position. In a year or so, my decision will be > crystal-clear;-) Just don't hold your breath :) In one year you will have more devices to choose from. Do you remember when there was only iPhone and Neo? :) You know the past, you see the

Re: [Shr-User] Alternatives to FR

2010-01-08 Thread Nicola Mfb
[...] > I also doubt if it runs smoothly on a weaker device (processor-wise). Today > on the train I saw a guy with nokia N900. He was reading some texts on it. > Oh dear, the scrolling was awesomely laggish. As an openmoko user I > know a bit about laggish scrolling;-) It is really sad such a high

Re: [Shr-User] Alternatives to FR

2010-01-08 Thread Laszlo KREKACS
On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 11:10 AM, Neil Jerram wrote: > From the same point of view, I expect that further expansion of this > platform will depend massively on whether N900 is successful. > Firstly, whether it sells in large numbers; secondly, whether Nokia > estimate that Maemo is now a more effic

Re: [Shr-User] Alternatives to FR

2010-01-08 Thread Michael Zanetti
On Friday 08 January 2010 11:10:49 Neil Jerram wrote: > 2010/1/8 Laszlo KREKACS : > > What I fear about N900 is that it always stays as one single high-end > > model to nokia. > > There were always single model in the past: n700, n800, n810 > > Huh? That looks like 3 models to me. And the N900 m

Re: [Shr-User] Alternatives to FR

2010-01-08 Thread Sebastian Reichel
Hi, On Fri, Jan 08, 2010 at 10:10:49AM +, Neil Jerram wrote: > Doesn't the N900 use the standard Debian archive? (I only know that > part of the community has pushed for that for a long time...) I don't know about that. > If it does, the question becomes whether the e libraries are in Debia

Re: [Shr-User] Alternatives to FR

2010-01-08 Thread Neil Jerram
2010/1/8 Laszlo KREKACS : > > What I fear about N900 is that it always stays as one single high-end > model to nokia. > There were always single model in the past: n700, n800, n810 Huh? That looks like 3 models to me. And the N900 makes 4. (Note that "n700" should be "770".) >From the corporat

Re: [Shr-User] Alternatives to FR

2010-01-07 Thread Laszlo KREKACS
On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 12:14 AM, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote: >> - Nokia N900 >> http://maemo.nokia.com/n900/ > > Likely. It uses basic GNU/Linux, and the modem interface is at least > somewhat known. Advanced drivers (Wifi, BT, PowerManagement, Camera) > unknown though. > What I fear about N900

Re: [Shr-User] Alternatives to FR

2010-01-07 Thread Michael 'Mickey' Lauer
Am Donnerstag, den 07.01.2010, 18:55 +0100 schrieb Petr Vanek: > >> It may be nice to organize a donation to provide such device to > >> FSO/OE/SHR staff. > >> > > > > > >Excellent idea. > > +1 > > Wonderful. > > How do we get this going? Seems like 600€ in Germany, dunno if with > contract or w

Re: [Shr-User] Alternatives to FR

2010-01-07 Thread Michael Zanetti
On Thursday 07 January 2010 21:57:01 Bastian Muck wrote: > Am 07.01.2010 21:08, schrieb Jim Ancona: > > On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 6:14 PM, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer > > > > wrote: > >> Am Mittwoch, den 06.01.2010, 17:28 +0100 schrieb Laszlo KREKACS: > >>> What do you think which mobile phone has the mos

Re: [Shr-User] Alternatives to FR

2010-01-07 Thread Bastian Muck
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Am 07.01.2010 21:08, schrieb Jim Ancona: > On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 6:14 PM, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer > wrote: >> Am Mittwoch, den 06.01.2010, 17:28 +0100 schrieb Laszlo KREKACS: >>> What do you think which mobile phone has the most likeliness to RE or >

Re: [Shr-User] Alternatives to FR

2010-01-07 Thread Jim Ancona
On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 6:14 PM, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote: > Am Mittwoch, den 06.01.2010, 17:28 +0100 schrieb Laszlo KREKACS: >> What do you think which mobile phone has the most likeliness to RE or >> somehow put fso on it? >> >> - Google Nexus >> http://www.google.com/phone/ > > Unlikely. Sam

Re: [Shr-User] Alternatives to FR

2010-01-07 Thread Petr Vanek
>> It may be nice to organize a donation to provide such device to >> FSO/OE/SHR staff. >> > > >Excellent idea. +1 Wonderful. How do we get this going? Seems like 600€ in Germany, dunno if with contract or what... what service could we use? Mickey, would this be an option for you? If we get eno

Re: [Shr-User] Alternatives to FR

2010-01-07 Thread Michal Brzozowski
2010/1/7 Nicola Mfb > > It may be nice to organize a donation to provide such device to > FSO/OE/SHR staff. > Excellent idea. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: [Shr-User] Alternatives to FR

2010-01-07 Thread Nicola Mfb
On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 10:11 AM, Michal Brzozowski wrote: > 2010/1/7 Laszlo KREKACS [...] >> > http://maemo.org >> >> You cant use FSO, because the key parts are closed. The modem handling >> or even the >> battery charger daemon is closed source. >> > > But there's probably some high level API t

Re: [Shr-User] Alternatives to FR

2010-01-07 Thread Michael 'Mickey' Lauer
Am Mittwoch, den 06.01.2010, 17:28 +0100 schrieb Laszlo KREKACS: > What do you think which mobile phone has the most likeliness to RE or > somehow put fso on it? > > - Google Nexus > http://www.google.com/phone/ Unlikely. Same as all other Android phones. Nightmare to get root and after that, you

Re: [Shr-User] Alternatives to FR

2010-01-07 Thread Michal Brzozowski
2010/1/7 Laszlo KREKACS > On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 9:57 PM, Michael Zanetti > wrote: > > The N900 runs a debian like linux with an X11 server. I'm pretty sure it > would > > be possible to put FSO on it. It is pretty much open. > > > http://maemo.org > > You cant use FSO, because the key parts are

Re: [Shr-User] Alternatives to FR

2010-01-06 Thread Laszlo KREKACS
On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 9:57 PM, Michael Zanetti wrote: > The N900 runs a debian like linux with an X11 server. I'm pretty sure it would > be possible to put FSO on it. It is pretty much open. > http://maemo.org You cant use FSO, because the key parts are closed. The modem handling or even the ba

Re: [Shr-User] Alternatives to FR

2010-01-06 Thread Michael Zanetti
On Wednesday 06 January 2010 17:28:07 Laszlo KREKACS wrote: > What do you think which mobile phone has the most likeliness to RE or > somehow put fso on it? > > > - Nokia N900 > http://maemo.nokia.com/n900/ The N900 runs a debian like linux with an X11 server. I'm pretty sure it would be possib

Re: [Shr-User] Alternatives to FR

2010-01-06 Thread Jim Ancona
On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 11:28 AM, Laszlo KREKACS wrote: > What do you think which mobile phone has the most likeliness to RE or > somehow put fso on it? > > - Google Nexus > http://www.google.com/phone/ The Nexus One has an "unlockable bootloader" built-in--just agree to the risks of modifying fir

Re: [Shr-User] Alternatives to FR

2010-01-06 Thread Laszlo KREKACS
What do you think which mobile phone has the most likeliness to RE or somehow put fso on it? - Google Nexus http://www.google.com/phone/ - Motorola MILESTONE (US version: Droid) http://www.motorola.com/Consumers/XW-EN/Consumer-Products-and-Services/Mobile-Phones/Motorola-MILESTONE-XW-EN Already

Re: [Shr-User] Alternatives to FR

2010-01-04 Thread W.Kenworthy
This is one I was not aware of - looks nice but its still not 3G capable BillK On Mon, 2010-01-04 at 20:08 +0200, Margo wrote: > 2010/1/4 William Kenworthy : > > What alternatives to the FR (with the same functionality) are there? I > > want 3G phone/sms access and the FR doesnt cut it any mor

Re: [Shr-User] Alternatives to FR

2010-01-04 Thread Michael 'Mickey' Lauer
Am Montag, den 04.01.2010, 20:08 +0200 schrieb Margo: > The Officer S101 seems interesting: > http://www.road.de/en/handypcs/officer.html > http://blog.hackable1.org/2009/08/running-hackable1-on-the-road-officer-s101.html Unfortunately it has been "just around the corner and almost out" for about

Re: [Shr-User] Alternatives to FR

2010-01-04 Thread Margo
2010/1/4 William Kenworthy : > What alternatives to the FR (with the same functionality) are there?  I > want 3G phone/sms access and the FR doesnt cut it any more ... > > The android phones (htc dream?) - none of which are fully functional on > FSO/SHR (I think), and access through android to the