Re: Backside Interface for Hand-Held devices

2007-07-05 Thread Ryan Prior

A standard drawing pad, such as those used by an artist, is a good example
of Claim 1. As a touch-sensitive input device, it causes a change in cursor
position and state corresponding with the position at which it is touched.
All that differs in Claim 1 of this patent is the stipulation that it is
used in a mobile electronic device, as opposed a relatively less mobile
desktop or laptop computer, such as those used by artists.

Since the other claims simply hinge on claim 1, the whole patent is
basically bunk. I couldn't, for example, patent the idea of a computer mouse
designed for a mobile electronic device just because it's (presumably) never
been done before. It's simply porting an already well-understood concept
from the desktop world to the embedded world - there is no new idea, just a
new implementation.

Peace, fight the power, and say no to bad patents,
Ryan

On 7/4/07, Frederic Kettelhoit [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Hello together,

there is one patent application called Backside Interface for Hand-Held
devices with the patent number 20070103454. It has been published on 10th
May 2007 and isn't granted yet. Does anyone know how long such a process
might last? And are there realistic chances that this patent will be
granted? Because I think it would also be pretty cool for OpenMoko phones.

http://www.latestpatents.com/category/apple/feed/
http://appft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2Sect2=HITOFFp=1u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-bool.htmlr=1f=Gl=50co1=ANDd=PG01s1=20070103454.PGNR.OS=DN/20070103454RS=DN/20070103454


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Backside Interface for Hand-Held devices

2007-07-04 Thread Frederic Kettelhoit

Hello together,

there is one patent application called Backside Interface for Hand-Held
devices with the patent number 20070103454. It has been published on 10th
May 2007 and isn't granted yet. Does anyone know how long such a process
might last? And are there realistic chances that this patent will be
granted? Because I think it would also be pretty cool for OpenMoko phones.

http://www.latestpatents.com/category/apple/feed/
http://appft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2Sect2=HITOFFp=1u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-bool.htmlr=1f=Gl=50co1=ANDd=PG01s1=20070103454.PGNR.OS=DN/20070103454RS=DN/20070103454
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Re: Backside Interface for Hand-Held devices

2007-07-04 Thread Al Johnson
Personally I would throw out the application. The nintendo DS is a handheld 
device with a display on a different surface to the touch sensitive element 
so anticipates claim 1 while all subsequent claims are standard GUI elements  
implemented using claim 1 as the pointing device. This assumes a plain 
language interpretation of the claims by an occasional programmer.

Having said that, with the standard of patent examination in the US I would 
expect it to be granted in a few years' time, at which point someone will 
have to go to court to invalidate it.

On Wednesday 04 July 2007 13:43, Frederic Kettelhoit wrote:
 Hello together,

 there is one patent application called Backside Interface for Hand-Held
 devices with the patent number 20070103454. It has been published on 10th
 May 2007 and isn't granted yet. Does anyone know how long such a process
 might last? And are there realistic chances that this patent will be
 granted? Because I think it would also be pretty cool for OpenMoko phones.

 http://www.latestpatents.com/category/apple/feed/
 http://appft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2Sect2=HITOFFp=1u=%2
Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-bool.htmlr=1f=Gl=50co1=ANDd=PG01s1=2007010345
4.PGNR.OS=DN/20070103454RS=DN/20070103454

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