Re: Better keyboard?
I would like to know how to redesign the keyboard to give it bigger buttons so that I can use my finger instead of the stylus? The current matchbox keyboard's keys are way too small. probably here: matchbox-keyboard-ui.c resp in openembedded/packages/matchbox-keyboard/files/smallscreen-fontsize.patch atm the font sizes and so onseem all to be hardcoded. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Better keyboard?
Jeremiah Flerchinger wrote: Do you want to redesign the matchbox keyboard or use a different one? Feel free to modify any of the keypads on the projects page. I can actually help with gtKeypad and have a patch in the works that will allow changing of key size with a config file. On Fri, 2008-07-18 at 20:32 -0400, Matthew Lane wrote: arne anka wrote: http://www.ginguppin.de/node/15 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community I would like to know how to redesign the keyboard to give it bigger buttons so that I can use my finger instead of the stylus? The current matchbox keyboard's keys are way too small. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community I honestly don't care if I redesign it or just get a new one. I like the matchbox keyboard because it has all of the keys that I'll need for terminal use, but the drawback is they all have to fit! I saw a screenshot of a bigger keyboard with circular buttons used on the Neo1973, which keyboard is that? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Better keyboard?
On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 12:46:00PM -0400, Matthew Lane wrote: Jeremiah Flerchinger wrote: Do you want to redesign the matchbox keyboard or use a different one? Feel free to modify any of the keypads on the projects page. I can actually help with gtKeypad and have a patch in the works that will allow changing of key size with a config file. On Fri, 2008-07-18 at 20:32 -0400, Matthew Lane wrote: arne anka wrote: http://www.ginguppin.de/node/15 I would like to know how to redesign the keyboard to give it bigger buttons so that I can use my finger instead of the stylus? The current matchbox keyboard's keys are way too small. I honestly don't care if I redesign it or just get a new one. I like the matchbox keyboard because it has all of the keys that I'll need for terminal use, but the drawback is they all have to fit! I saw a screenshot of a bigger keyboard with circular buttons used on the Neo1973, which keyboard is that? I've just been informed that the keyboard in the ASU image does in fact have all the keys needed to use a terminal, and also they're able to be used without a stylus. The .kbd files are editable text files and can be completely customized. After playing around with it a bit, I'll probably abandon matchbox entirely. -ken ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Better keyboard?
arne anka wrote: http://www.ginguppin.de/node/15 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community I would like to know how to redesign the keyboard to give it bigger buttons so that I can use my finger instead of the stylus? The current matchbox keyboard's keys are way too small. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Better keyboard?
Le samedi 12 juillet 2008 à 18:16 +0200, Thomas Seiler a écrit : On Sat, Jul 12, 2008 at 12:22 AM, Jim Morris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are there only the two keyboards for freerunner? I have tried the matchbox one from the site, and it is way too small for my old eyes to use. A while back I have implemented a few improvements to the matchbox keyboard: - a different color scheme that is less stressful for the eye - popup to see what is currently pressed. Very nice, I can't get the popup either. Will wait for a fix. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Better keyboard?
Thomas Seiler wrote: Hi Jim, thanks for testing! Indeed, I dont seem to wait for the popup window to be mapped before drawing onto it. This is a bug (tm) of type race condition. (The Freerunner has a faster CPU, and the bug gets visible :-) Bug is identified, will post a fix later today... If you want to fine tune the color scheme, that can be changed quite easily without recompiling the keyboard. The XML keyboard definition files contain a block similar to this: theme font=#ff6600 border=#44 key=#00 keyup=#33 keydown=#22 background=#11/ Where is this file? Can I edit it in place and just restart X? I think a higher contrast color scheme may be better for my eyes. Thanks. -- Jim Morris, http://blog.wolfman.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Better keyboard?
Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote: In Ubuntu I had to install libfakekey-dev to compile. However I've also ported and applied the thseiler's popup patch to this version (I could attach it somewhere if you want, but it's still incomplete since it's show only the clicked letter on a small pop-up window). I'd like also to redesign it a little, to gain a bit more space while my FR is coming... :P I got it to work under Ubuntu although it causes all my open windows to get squished. What are you using to build it? the toolchain or mokomakefile? Because when I try to build it using the toolchain there are a bunch of missing x libraries, which are not in the toolchain. Thanks Jim -- Jim Morris, http://blog.wolfman.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Better keyboard?
Jim Morris wrote: Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote: In Ubuntu I had to install libfakekey-dev to compile. However I've also ported and applied the thseiler's popup patch to this version (I could attach it somewhere if you want, but it's still incomplete since it's show only the clicked letter on a small pop-up window). I'd like also to redesign it a little, to gain a bit more space while my FR is coming... :P I got it to work under Ubuntu although it causes all my open windows to get squished. What are you using to build it? the toolchain or mokomakefile? Because when I try to build it using the toolchain there are a bunch of missing x libraries, which are not in the toolchain. Well, none of these... I've just built it in my standard ubuntu configuration (well, I've many *-dev packages installed here...). I've to try it with toolchain... -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Better keyboard?
Hi Jim, thanks for testing! Indeed, I dont seem to wait for the popup window to be mapped before drawing onto it. This is a bug (tm) of type race condition. (The Freerunner has a faster CPU, and the bug gets visible :-) Bug is identified, will post a fix later today... If you want to fine tune the color scheme, that can be changed quite easily without recompiling the keyboard. The XML keyboard definition files contain a block similar to this: theme font=#ff6600 border=#44 key=#00 keyup=#33 keydown=#22 background=#11/ the numbers are HEX encoded RGB triplets, as is used commonly on the web to encode colors. With a color picker tool and a text editor you can change the colors to match your preference. If you have other ideas on how to improve the usability of the keyboard on Freerunner, please let me know. : ) Cheers, Thomas -- Excercise 17: If the human brain was simple enough for us to understand we'd be so simple we couldn't understand. Prove this by induction. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Better keyboard?
Torfinn Ingolfsen wrote: Hello, On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 6:39 PM, Konstantin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, there is: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Switching_Keyboards FWIW, In the future, I wish (as a user of Openmoko devices (currently 1973 and FreeRunner)) to install any number of (available) keyboards at the same time. Then I can change keyboards (using an extra key on the keyboard perhaps? Or a menu choice?) whenever I like. That would be nice. Here http://jkontherun.blogs.com/jkontherun/2004/11/text_input_meth.html is an interesting article on alternative input methods, towards the end are some S/W based on screen keyboard alternatives. -- Jim Morris, http://blog.wolfman.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Better keyboard?
Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote: Jim Morris wrote: Is this one available anywhere? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Input_Method It looks pretty useable to me, at least I could see the keys. I'd like to as this too... Where is that keyboard? Is there any old code to be used (maybe after an update)? Well... I got it! :) SVN deletes, but it doesn't forget the old code, so you can get it taking the last revision available (r1471) as I've written in this wiki section: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Input_Method#Getting_this_keyboard Since I've no openmoko hardware in my pockets yet, I've compiled it in my linux pc and it works well! Anyone here would like to continue its development? :P -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Better keyboard?
Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote: Well... I got it! :) SVN deletes, but it doesn't forget the old code, so you can get it taking the last revision available (r1471) as I've written in this wiki section: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Input_Method#Getting_this_keyboard Since I've no openmoko hardware in my pockets yet, I've compiled it in my linux pc and it works well! Anyone here would like to continue its development? :P I'll give it a shot... However I get this error doing om-conf checking for FAKEKEY... no configure: error: *** You need to install libfakekey from MB SVN *** I have FAKEKEY installed on my Ubuntu box, not sure how to get it into the tool chain though as I'm new to it. Guess I'll do some digging around. Thanks for the pointers to the svn. -- Jim Morris, http://blog.wolfman.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Better keyboard?
Jim Morris ha scritto: Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote: Well... I got it! :) SVN deletes, but it doesn't forget the old code, so you can get it taking the last revision available (r1471) as I've written in this wiki section: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Input_Method#Getting_this_keyboard Since I've no openmoko hardware in my pockets yet, I've compiled it in my linux pc and it works well! Anyone here would like to continue its development? :P I'll give it a shot... However I get this error doing om-conf checking for FAKEKEY... no configure: error: *** You need to install libfakekey from MB SVN *** I have FAKEKEY installed on my Ubuntu box, not sure how to get it into the tool chain though as I'm new to it. Guess I'll do some digging around. In Ubuntu I had to install libfakekey-dev to compile. However I've also ported and applied the thseiler's popup patch to this version (I could attach it somewhere if you want, but it's still incomplete since it's show only the clicked letter on a small pop-up window). I'd like also to redesign it a little, to gain a bit more space while my FR is coming... :P -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Better keyboard?
On Sat, Jul 12, 2008 at 12:22 AM, Jim Morris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are there only the two keyboards for freerunner? I have tried the matchbox one from the site, and it is way too small for my old eyes to use. A while back I have implemented a few improvements to the matchbox keyboard: - a different color scheme that is less stressful for the eye - popup to see what is currently pressed. http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/350 http://www.seili.net/openmoko Cheers, Thomas -- Excercise 17: If the human brain was simple enough for us to understand we'd be so simple we couldn't understand. Prove this by induction. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Better keyboard?
Thomas Seiler wrote: On Sat, Jul 12, 2008 at 12:22 AM, Jim Morris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are there only the two keyboards for freerunner? I have tried the matchbox one from the site, and it is way too small for my old eyes to use. A while back I have implemented a few improvements to the matchbox keyboard: - a different color scheme that is less stressful for the eye - popup to see what is currently pressed. http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/350 http://www.seili.net/openmoko Thanks, it looks good, I'll try it. Thank you for sharing. -- Jim Morris, http://blog.wolfman.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Better keyboard?
Jim Morris wrote: Thomas Seiler wrote: On Sat, Jul 12, 2008 at 12:22 AM, Jim Morris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are there only the two keyboards for freerunner? I have tried the matchbox one from the site, and it is way too small for my old eyes to use. A while back I have implemented a few improvements to the matchbox keyboard: - a different color scheme that is less stressful for the eye - popup to see what is currently pressed. http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/350 http://www.seili.net/openmoko Thanks, it looks good, I'll try it. Thank you for sharing. The color scheme is definitely better, but still hard to see for me, however the popup did not seem to work, do I have the right version? I installed *-r11 from your site. Thanks Jim -- Jim Morris, http://blog.wolfman.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Better keyboard?
Are there only the two keyboards for freerunner? I have tried the matchbox one from the site, and it is way too small for my old eyes to use. Is this one available anywhere? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Input_Method It looks pretty useable to me, at least I could see the keys. For now I'm back with the multi-tap, but it is pretty bad. Thanks Jim Torfinn Ingolfsen wrote: Hello, On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 6:39 PM, Konstantin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, there is: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Switching_Keyboards FWIW, In the future, I wish (as a user of Openmoko devices (currently 1973 and FreeRunner)) to install any number of (available) keyboards at the same time. Then I can change keyboards (using an extra key on the keyboard perhaps? Or a menu choice?) whenever I like. That would be nice. -- Jim Morris, http://blog.wolfman.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Better keyboard?
Jim Morris ha scritto: Are there only the two keyboards for freerunner? Look at openmoko projects... There are also other kinds of keyboards developed by users. I've not tested them in real hardware but they seems promising... I have tried the matchbox one from the site, and it is way too small for my old eyes to use. Is this one available anywhere? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Input_Method It looks pretty useable to me, at least I could see the keys. I'd like to as this too... Where is that keyboard? Is there any old code to be used (maybe after an update)? Thanks... -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Better keyboard?
Hi there! is it possible to get an better keyboard than this handy- keyboard at the moment in the GTK-release? does anyone knows this? i think there is somethink like an keyboard- canger, but i cant find any information about that. thanks, Arne ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Better keyboard?
Hi! Arne Zachlod wrote: Hi there! is it possible to get an better keyboard than this handy- keyboard at the moment in the GTK-release? does anyone knows this? i think there is somethink like an keyboard- canger, but i cant find any information about that. Actually, there is: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Switching_Keyboards Works fine for me, have been using the other keyboard for some time now, and it works like a charm. Even Ctrl-C is possible, which helps a great deal on the terminal :) thanks, Arne HTH, Konstantin ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Better keyboard?
http://www.ginguppin.de/node/15 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Better keyboard?
Hello, On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 6:39 PM, Konstantin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, there is: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Switching_Keyboards FWIW, In the future, I wish (as a user of Openmoko devices (currently 1973 and FreeRunner)) to install any number of (available) keyboards at the same time. Then I can change keyboards (using an extra key on the keyboard perhaps? Or a menu choice?) whenever I like. That would be nice. -- Regards, Torfinn Ingolfsen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
