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Or,
The thread is very interesting, but it seems that's Bob will never
change is point of view. Nicolas is open to discussion, and is also
working on the Gta project, I don't think that Bob is ready to do one
step forward before having all the spec,
On 10/09/2013 08:10 PM, Bob Ham wrote:
On Sun, 2013-10-06 at 08:42 +0200, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
1. you are talking about open SOURCE hardware (which I call free hardware)
No. I've explicitly refrained from distinguishing between such labels
because I'm aware that they are not as
On Sun, 2013-10-06 at 08:42 +0200, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
Can you agree on the following?
1. you are talking about open SOURCE hardware (which I call free hardware)
No. I've explicitly refrained from distinguishing between such labels
because I'm aware that they are not as well
On 10/09/2013 08:23 PM, Bob Ham wrote:
And the next day, when you've found an old definition that accords
with your view, suddenly that one definition would have obviated any
discussion.
The meaning of the words are defined by the communities that use it and
different communities can have
On Wed 09 October 2013 20:47:01 Fernando Martins wrote:
It is laudable to have more hardware open and it would be nice if
goldelico would release the schematics in source. But I don't see them
has having such obligation neither I see any inconsistence in their
actions or words. Goldelico has
Am 06.10.2013 um 08:42 schrieb Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller:
Hi Bob,
Am 05.10.2013 um 12:12 schrieb Bob Ham:
On Sat, 2013-10-05 at 07:50 +0200, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
Neither the Openmoko, OpenPandora, Ubuntu Edge, GTA04 are
open hardware - and never were intended to be.
That
Am 05.10.2013 um 08:28 schrieb Paul Wise:
On Sat, Oct 5, 2013 at 1:57 PM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
You are mixing Free dom with Free Beer.
https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/selling.html
But: some people are able to jump out of the window. So do you do as well?
I followed the FSF
Hello,
Your free hardware idon't use the Planned obsolescence concept isn't it ?
Thanks for your answer.
Best regards
mparchet
Le 5 oct. 2013 à 09:11, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com a
écrit :
Am 05.10.2013 um 08:28 schrieb Paul Wise:
On Sat, Oct 5, 2013 at 1:57 PM, Dr.
On Sat, 2013-10-05 at 07:50 +0200, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
Neither the Openmoko, OpenPandora, Ubuntu Edge, GTA04 are
open hardware - and never were intended to be.
That isn't what your OpenPhoenux page says:
Open Hardware Devices.
Letux 2804 / GTA04 Smartphone
On Sat, Oct 5, 2013 at 12:12 PM, Bob Ham r...@settrans.net wrote:
On Sat, 2013-10-05 at 07:50 +0200, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
Neither the Openmoko, OpenPandora, Ubuntu Edge, GTA04 are
open hardware - and never were intended to be.
That isn't what your OpenPhoenux page says:
Open
On Sat, 2013-10-05 at 13:34 +0200, Sebastian Krzyszkowiak wrote:
You're nitpicking about different meanings of open and free.
This is hardly nitpicking. If I had known what Nikolaus's position was
back in 2010, I doubt I would ever have bought a GTA04. There seems to
be (1) the meaning that
On 10/05/2013 01:34 PM, Sebastian Krzyszkowiak wrote:
On Sat, Oct 5, 2013 at 12:12 PM, Bob Ham r...@settrans.net wrote:
On Sat, 2013-10-05 at 07:50 +0200, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
Neither the Openmoko, OpenPandora, Ubuntu Edge, GTA04 are
open hardware - and never were intended to be.
On Sat, Oct 5, 2013 at 1:55 PM, Bob Ham r...@settrans.net wrote:
On Sat, 2013-10-05 at 13:34 +0200, Sebastian Krzyszkowiak wrote:
You're nitpicking about different meanings of open and free.
This is hardly nitpicking. If I had known what Nikolaus's position was
back in 2010, I doubt I would
On Sat, 2013-10-05 at 14:07 +0200, Sebastian Krzyszkowiak wrote:
I can agree that the usage of free
hardware term may be a bit confusing.
Describing the GTA04 as Open Hardware on openphoenux.org is, I
believe, not just confusing but dishonest.
--
Bob Ham r...@settrans.net
for (;;) {
On Sat 05 October 2013 11:09:02 Parchet Michaël wrote:
Hello,
Your free hardware idon't use the Planned obsolescence concept isn't it ?
Thanks for your answer.
Best regards
mparchet
Now THIS is a good question!
And the answer is: of course NO planned osolescence, we build that stuff
Am 05.10.2013 um 12:12 schrieb Bob Ham:
On Sat, 2013-10-05 at 07:50 +0200, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
Neither the Openmoko, OpenPandora, Ubuntu Edge, GTA04 are
open hardware - and never were intended to be.
That isn't what your OpenPhoenux page says:
Open Hardware Devices.
Am 05.10.2013 um 14:14 schrieb Bob Ham:
On Sat, 2013-10-05 at 14:07 +0200, Sebastian Krzyszkowiak wrote:
I can agree that the usage of free
hardware term may be a bit confusing.
Describing the GTA04 as Open Hardware on openphoenux.org is, I
believe, not just confusing but dishonest.
On 10/05/2013 02:14 PM, Bob Ham wrote:
On Sat, 2013-10-05 at 14:07 +0200, Sebastian Krzyszkowiak wrote:
I can agree that the usage of free
hardware term may be a bit confusing.
Describing the GTA04 as Open Hardware on openphoenux.org is, I
believe, not just confusing but dishonest.
When the
Am 05.10.2013 um 14:14 schrieb Bob Ham:
On Sat, 2013-10-05 at 14:07 +0200, Sebastian Krzyszkowiak wrote:
I can agree that the usage of free
hardware term may be a bit confusing.
Describing the GTA04 as Open Hardware on openphoenux.org is, I
believe, not just confusing but dishonest.
Am 05.10.2013 um 17:42 schrieb Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller:
Am 05.10.2013 um 14:14 schrieb Bob Ham:
On Sat, 2013-10-05 at 14:07 +0200, Sebastian Krzyszkowiak wrote:
I can agree that the usage of free
hardware term may be a bit confusing.
Describing the GTA04 as Open Hardware on
On Sat, 2013-10-05 at 17:17 +0200, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
Am 05.10.2013 um 12:12 schrieb Bob Ham:
On Sat, 2013-10-05 at 07:50 +0200, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
Neither the Openmoko, OpenPandora, Ubuntu Edge, GTA04 are
open hardware - and never were intended to be.
On Sat, Oct 05, 2013 at 05:37:59PM +, Bob Ham wrote:
On Sat, 2013-10-05 at 17:17 +0200, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
Am 05.10.2013 um 12:12 schrieb Bob Ham:
On Sat, 2013-10-05 at 07:50 +0200, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
Neither the Openmoko, OpenPandora, Ubuntu Edge,
On Sat 05 October 2013 19:37:59 Bob Ham wrote:
Hm, I wonder what you want to prove?
I want you to stop describing the GTA04 as open hardware. You seem to
be aware that there is a difference between what you describe as open
hardware and what others describe as open hardware and yet you
on a sidenote: Was KDE no open source software when Qt wasn't FOSS (for those
who still remember that time)?
In layout project files they might even be (C) non-free libraries for e.g.
component footprints, which would *forbid* disclosing them to the general
public. Is the hardware less open
Am 05.10.2013 um 19:37 schrieb Bob Ham:
On Sat, 2013-10-05 at 17:17 +0200, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
Am 05.10.2013 um 12:12 schrieb Bob Ham:
On Sat, 2013-10-05 at 07:50 +0200, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
Neither the Openmoko, OpenPandora, Ubuntu Edge, GTA04 are
open hardware -
Am 05.10.2013 um 20:10 schrieb Martin Jansa:
On Sat, Oct 05, 2013 at 05:37:59PM +, Bob Ham wrote:
On Sat, 2013-10-05 at 17:17 +0200, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
Am 05.10.2013 um 12:12 schrieb Bob Ham:
On Sat, 2013-10-05 at 07:50 +0200, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
Neither the
On Sat, 2013-10-05 at 20:10 +0200, Martin Jansa wrote:
On Sat, Oct 05, 2013 at 05:37:59PM +, Bob Ham wrote:
I want you to stop describing the GTA04 as open hardware. You seem to
be aware that there is a difference between what you describe as open
hardware and what others describe as
But none of them is building modular devices. I wonder why.
For the same reason they don't make their hardware open, for the same
reason they don't make their software Free, for the same reason they
don't want you to have root access on your phone.
Stefan
On 05/10/13 18:37, Bob Ham wrote:
'Access to the *complete* design is precondition to this'
http://www.ohanda.org/ (My emphasis)
Long time has passed since I post to this list.
Dearest all,
open software is something quite easy do define - it's written in common
languages, so that it's
On Sat, Oct 05, 2013 at 07:05:10PM +, Bob Ham wrote:
Your accusations sounds like if Nikolaus is using OHANDA clearly defined
label without fulfilling requirements defined by OHANDA.
Well, I'm not sure how you get that impression. It's not like it's a
matter of adherence to a
On Sat 05 October 2013 21:03:44 Stefan Monnier wrote:
But none of them is building modular devices. I wonder why.
For the same reason they don't make their hardware open, for the same
reason they don't make their software Free, for the same reason they
don't want you to have root access on
On Thu, 2013-10-03 at 21:32 +0200, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
Am 03.10.2013 um 20:09 schrieb Bob Ham:
I would note that the GTA04 is not a Free Hardware project.
Yes that is correct. It is not Free Hardware in the strict FSF definition
I don't think FSF has a definition of Free
On Fri 04 October 2013 19:48:19 Bob Ham wrote:
You've previously said that the reason you refuse to release the
hardware source files, making the device more open, is because you
expect money in return. Are you now saying restricting access to the
hardware source files is somehow a design
Am 04.10.2013 um 19:48 schrieb Bob Ham:
On Thu, 2013-10-03 at 21:32 +0200, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
Am 03.10.2013 um 20:09 schrieb Bob Ham:
I would note that the GTA04 is not a Free Hardware project.
Yes that is correct. It is not Free Hardware in the strict FSF definition
I
On Fri, 2013-10-04 at 20:16 +0200, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
Am 04.10.2013 um 19:48 schrieb Bob Ham:
I don't think FSF has a definition of Free Hardware. Possibly we're
ascribing different meanings to the phrase.
Yes they have one and even do a certification (which would not be
On Sat, Oct 5, 2013 at 2:16 AM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
I already told you that the hardware source files are open and public.
I agree with Bob Ham on this. The source files are not public and even
the PDFs are not open, they are licensed under a non-commercial
license (CC-BY-NC-SA).
Am 04.10.2013 um 21:26 schrieb Bob Ham:
On Fri, 2013-10-04 at 20:16 +0200, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
Am 04.10.2013 um 19:48 schrieb Bob Ham:
I don't think FSF has a definition of Free Hardware. Possibly we're
ascribing different meanings to the phrase.
Yes they have one and even
Am 05.10.2013 um 05:09 schrieb Paul Wise:
On Sat, Oct 5, 2013 at 2:16 AM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
I already told you that the hardware source files are open and public.
I agree with Bob Ham on this. The source files are not public and even
the PDFs are not open, they are licensed
Hi,
Am 03.10.2013 um 05:15 schrieb Stefan Monnier:
Production problems show almost immediately, even if there is only one
person. And they show after making let's say 20 units.
As you know, that has not been the experience with the GTA02, where
audio quality output (works fine for
On Thu 03 October 2013 08:56:43 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
I know. But I'm not talking about swapping the actual CPU or the
actual display. I'm talking about swapping the CPU module or the
display module. I.e. create a standardized module interface around
off-the-shelf (i.e.
On Wed, 2013-10-02 at 23:15 -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote:
It would have its own cost (in money and in size), but in the long run,
I hope the benefits of relying on standardized interfaces would make up
for it.
From what I can tell, Free Hardware projects don't benefit nearly enough
from
Am 03.10.2013 um 20:09 schrieb Bob Ham:
On Wed, 2013-10-02 at 23:15 -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote:
It would have its own cost (in money and in size), but in the long run,
I hope the benefits of relying on standardized interfaces would make up
for it.
From what I can tell, Free Hardware
Production problems show almost immediately, even if there is only one
person. And they show after making let's say 20 units.
As you know, that has not been the experience with the GTA02, where
audio quality output (works fine for line-out but not for headphones),
GPS issues, and the 1024
Hello,
Is there a device on production with witch I can choice the os I want install
or install several os (multi boot) ?
Best regards
mparchet
Le 25 sept. 2013 à 21:32, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com a
écrit :
Am 25.09.2013 um 20:45 schrieb Stefan Monnier:
I don't see
Am 26.09.2013 um 11:06 schrieb Parchet Michaël:
Hello,
Is there a device on production with witch I can choice the os I want install
or install several os (multi boot) ?
Almost. The GTA04A5 can go on production (again) as soon as we get enough
orders.
-- hns
Best regards
mparchet
Hello,
Can you send me the URL for GTA04A5 ?
Best regards
mparchet
Envoyé de mon iPhone
Le 26 sept. 2013 à 11:18, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com a
écrit :
Am 26.09.2013 um 11:06 schrieb Parchet Michaël:
Hello,
Is there a device on production with witch I can choice
Am 26.09.2013 um 11:42 schrieb Parchet Michaël:
Hello,
Can you send me the URL for GTA04A5 ?
https://shop.goldelico.com/wiki.php?page=GTA04
A5 is the board revision/variant:
http://projects.goldelico.com/p/gta04-main/page/Versions/
Best regards
mparchet
Envoyé de mon iPhone
Hello,
Is there a phone or tablet with GTA04A5 ?
Thanks for your answer ?
Best regards
mparchet
Le 26 sept. 2013 à 11:47, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com a
écrit :
Am 26.09.2013 um 11:42 schrieb Parchet Michaël:
Hello,
Can you send me the URL for GTA04A5 ?
Hi Stefan,
Am 25.09.2013 um 05:01 schrieb Stefan Monnier:
The main problem I see with such Free and/or Open phone is the small
production syndrome. Small productions mean high prices and low
reliability, whereas we need reasonable prices and reliability.
Yes, small production is the key
I don't see reliability as a problem because it depends on what type
of reliability you are thinking of: component, software, hardware,
production, or availability.
Small production runs means very few people have a chance of
discovering, let alone, fixing the various problems that can show
Am 25.09.2013 um 20:45 schrieb Stefan Monnier:
I don't see reliability as a problem because it depends on what type
of reliability you are thinking of: component, software, hardware,
production, or availability.
Small production runs means very few people have a chance of
discovering, let
On Wed 25 September 2013 21:32:13 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
Am 25.09.2013 um 20:45 schrieb Stefan Monnier:
Production problems show almost immediately, even if there is only one
person. And they show after making let's say 20 units. I.e. it does not
need to produce let's say 1000 units
The main problem I see with such Free and/or Open phone is the small
production syndrome. Small productions mean high prices and low
reliability, whereas we need reasonable prices and reliability.
So we need to focus on making larger production. For that, we need to
widen the target market.
On Tue, 27 Aug 2013 09:46:12 +1000 NeilBrown ne...@suse.de wrote:
On Sat, 24 Aug 2013 15:31:19 +0200 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
h...@goldelico.com wrote:
Hm. That sounds quite different from the situation about 1 year ago when
you did the first releases of QtMoko and I always thought that
On Wed 28 August 2013 00:29:18 NeilBrown wrote:
On Tue, 27 Aug 2013 09:46:12 +1000 NeilBrown ne...@suse.de wrote:
On Sat, 24 Aug 2013 15:31:19 +0200 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
h...@goldelico.com wrote:
Hm. That sounds quite different from the situation about 1 year ago
when you did the
also check video bus. We know on GTA02 the display used iirc 20mA plus for a
black screen.
Oh and for the 1kR termination, just driving high a dataline that runs to an
unpowered chip will eat quite some current via clamp diodes from input pin to
0V-VDD, often even enough to power the chip ;-D
Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller писал 2013-08-24 17:31:
For me GTA04 is not usable as daily phone. It's now collecting dust
in shelf.
Why?
1/ poor power management
2/ bugged reenumerating modem
GTA04 is good enough only in some situations. E.g. ok if i carry it
to work
where i can anytime charge
On Saturday, August 24, 2013 03:20:10 PM joerg Reisenweber wrote:
On Sat 24 August 2013 14:22:55 Radek Polak wrote:
1/ poor power management
[...]
something. But i always worked in userspace. I barely understand kernel
and i have no EE skills and equipment to contribute. I can
On Monday, August 26, 2013 01:17:09 PM Radek Polak wrote:
To give you a simple example: on N900 maemo you have scanning period in
settings-internet, which makes device scan for WLAN APs only every 5, 10,
... even 30 min. This is needed since the WLAN chip cuts thru the battery
in less
On Mon 26 August 2013 13:17:09 Radek Polak wrote:
On Saturday, August 24, 2013 03:20:10 PM joerg Reisenweber wrote:
On Sat 24 August 2013 14:22:55 Radek Polak wrote:
1/ poor power management
[...]
something. But i always worked in userspace. I barely understand kernel
and i
On Sat, 24 Aug 2013 15:31:19 +0200 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
h...@goldelico.com wrote:
Hm. That sounds quite different from the situation about 1 year ago when
you did the first releases of QtMoko and I always thought that the
3.7 kernel is working well enough, so that I started to add new
On Friday, August 23, 2013 10:21:33 PM arne anka wrote:
the missing money is just the indicator for this project's failure to
create sufficient public interest or even awareness.
while the GTA01/2 was a nice idea, it was already slightly outdated when
it appeared -- and since then nothing has
On Sat 24 August 2013 14:22:55 Radek Polak wrote:
1/ poor power management
[...]
something. But i always worked in userspace. I barely understand kernel and
i have no EE skills and equipment to contribute. I can contribute only as
a tester. I thought that i will deliver working userspace and
Hi Radek,
Am 24.08.2013 um 14:22 schrieb Radek Polak:
On Friday, August 23, 2013 10:21:33 PM arne anka wrote:
the missing money is just the indicator for this project's failure to
create sufficient public interest or even awareness.
while the GTA01/2 was a nice idea, it was already
On Sat, 24 Aug 2013 14:22:55 +0200 Radek Polak pson...@seznam.cz wrote:
And the reenumerating modem - i really dont understand why we havent tried
newer firmware. For me missed calls is quite serious problem.
I'm starting to think the the re-enumeration could be an omap-usb problem.
I
Am 24.08.2013 23:04, schrieb NeilBrown:
On Sat, 24 Aug 2013 14:22:55 Radek Polak pson...@seznam.cz wrote:
And the reenumerating modem - i really dont understand why we havent
tried newer firmware. For me missed calls is quite serious problem.
I'm starting to think the the re-enumeration could
On Sat, 24 Aug 2013 23:24:29 +0200 Lukas Märdian l...@slyon.de wrote:
Am 24.08.2013 23:04, schrieb NeilBrown:
On Sat, 24 Aug 2013 14:22:55 Radek Polak pson...@seznam.cz wrote:
And the reenumerating modem - i really dont understand why we havent
tried newer firmware. For me missed calls is
On 2013-08-23 07:26, openm...@pulster.de wrote:
the GTA04 is a ready-to-use OpenSource smartphone.
The GTA04 *is* out of production and no longer for sale. It *could* be
the motherboard in a ready-to-use smartphone but it *isn't*.
There are no other
reasons why it isnt available, just
On Fri 23 August 2013 10:35:38 Bob Ham wrote:
On 2013-08-23 07:26, openm...@pulster.de wrote:
the GTA04 is a ready-to-use OpenSource smartphone.
The GTA04 *is* out of production and no longer for sale.
Says who?
It *could* be
the motherboard in a ready-to-use smartphone but it *isn't*.
On 2013-08-23 09:38, joerg Reisenweber wrote:
On Fri 23 August 2013 10:35:38 Bob Ham wrote:
On 2013-08-23 07:26, openm...@pulster.de wrote:
The GTA04 *is* out of production and no longer for sale.
Says who?
Says Golden Delicious:
Note: we currently have no stock since we need to
Am 23.08.2013 um 12:08 schrieb Bob Ham:
On 2013-08-23 09:38, joerg Reisenweber wrote:
On Fri 23 August 2013 10:35:38 Bob Ham wrote:
On 2013-08-23 07:26, openm...@pulster.de wrote:
The GTA04 *is* out of production and no longer for sale.
Says who?
Says Golden Delicious:
Note: we
I don't think money is the only problem.
the missing money is just the indicator for this project's failure to
create sufficient public interest or even awareness.
while the GTA01/2 was a nice idea, it was already slightly outdated when
it appeared -- and since then nothing has changed, the
On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 1:21 PM, arne anka openm...@ginguppin.de wrote:
i am still undecided if i should admire or pity the thread starter, if he
honestly believed that this community would be able to succeed where ubuntu
failed -- and on top of that to jump from todays GTA04 to the device as
Well, the deadline is up. The pledges rolled in and they got $12.8
million, which sounds amazing until you see that their goal was for
$32 million. I guess that means all that money is getting refunded and
there will be no Ubuntu Edge.
Here's Shuttleworth's upbeat closing comment:
On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 8:12 PM, Ben Wong wrote:
I wonder if OpenPhoenix has an opportunity now, with all those
frustrated would-be buyers out there.
Are the Ubuntu Edge specs (or something close) achievable by OpenPhoenix?
--
bye,
pabs
___
Ben Wong lists.openmoko@wongs.net writes:
Here's Shuttleworth's upbeat closing comment:
http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/ubuntu-edge?c=activity
I wonder if OpenPhoenix has an opportunity now, with all those
frustrated would-be buyers out there.
Maybe some; I'm pretty sure that there
On Thu, 2013-08-22 at 20:22 +0200, Paul Wise wrote:
On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 8:12 PM, Ben Wong wrote:
I wonder if OpenPhoenix has an opportunity now, with all those
frustrated would-be buyers out there.
Are the Ubuntu Edge specs (or something close) achievable by OpenPhoenix?
No. I
On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 9:04 PM, Bob Ham wrote:
No. I think a better question is whether OpenPhoenix can achieve
production of *any* phone?
Not currently in stock, but as I understand it, GTA04 exists and is a phone.
https://shop.goldelico.com/wiki.php?page=GTA04
--
bye,
pabs
On Thu, 2013-08-22 at 21:10 +0200, Paul Wise wrote:
On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 9:04 PM, Bob Ham wrote:
No. I think a better question is whether OpenPhoenix can achieve
production of *any* phone?
Not currently in stock, but as I understand it, GTA04 exists and is a phone.
The GTA04 is a
On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 9:15 PM, Bob Ham r...@settrans.net wrote:
On Thu, 2013-08-22 at 21:10 +0200, Paul Wise wrote:
On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 9:04 PM, Bob Ham wrote:
No. I think a better question is whether OpenPhoenix can achieve
production of *any* phone?
Not currently in stock, but as
On Thu, 2013-08-22 at 21:19 +0200, Sebastian Krzyszkowiak wrote:
Well, there are (or were) complete phones based on GTA04 available to
buy from Golden Delicious, so yes, OpenPhoenux has already achieved
production of any phone.
The phones consisted of GTA04 motherboards inside second-hand
Am 22.08.2013 um 21:28 schrieb Bob Ham:
On Thu, 2013-08-22 at 21:19 +0200, Sebastian Krzyszkowiak wrote:
Well, there are (or were) complete phones based on GTA04 available to
buy from Golden Delicious, so yes, OpenPhoenux has already achieved
production of any phone.
The phones
Am 22.08.2013 um 21:00 schrieb Joshua Judson Rosen:
Ben Wong lists.openmoko@wongs.net writes:
Here's Shuttleworth's upbeat closing comment:
http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/ubuntu-edge?c=activity
I wonder if OpenPhoenix has an opportunity now, with all those
frustrated would-be
Am 22.08.2013 21:44, schrieb Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller:
Am 22.08.2013 um 21:28 schrieb Bob Ham:
On Thu, 2013-08-22 at 21:19 +0200, Sebastian Krzyszkowiak wrote:
Well, there are (or were) complete phones based on GTA04 available to
buy from Golden Delicious, so yes, OpenPhoenux has already
On Thu, 2013-08-22 at 21:44 +0200, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
The phones consisted of GTA04 motherboards inside second-hand GTA01/02
cases. These cases were produced by Openmoko, not OpenPhoenix.
Producing new cases is a matter of enough money, not of capabilities...
The OpenPhoenix
On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 9:28 PM, Bob Ham r...@settrans.net wrote:
On Thu, 2013-08-22 at 21:19 +0200, Sebastian Krzyszkowiak wrote:
Well, there are (or were) complete phones based on GTA04 available to
buy from Golden Delicious, so yes, OpenPhoenux has already achieved
production of any phone.
On 08/22/13 23:11, Sebastian Krzyszkowiak wrote:
So what? Those are still phones. Working, functional phones which have
much better specs than GTA02. User wants a free phone, user orders a
free phone, user gets a free phone. Without the need of owning GTA02
and replacing motherboard by himself
On Thu 22 August 2013 21:44:13 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
Am 22.08.2013 um 21:28 schrieb Bob Ham:
On Thu, 2013-08-22 at 21:19 +0200, Sebastian Krzyszkowiak wrote:
Well, there are (or were) complete phones based on GTA04 available to
buy from Golden Delicious, so yes, OpenPhoenux has
On Thu 22 August 2013 23:00:52 Bob Ham wrote:
muddled view of the situation. The idea that it would be possible for
the community to produce a phone with the same kind of specs as the
phone that Canonical, with its billionaire owner, just tried and
*failed* to build, seems to me to be rooted
On Thu, 2013-08-22 at 23:20 +0200, joerg Reisenweber wrote:
On Thu 22 August 2013 21:44:13 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
Producing new cases is a matter of enough money, not of capabilities...
As already suggested by me[1], you also could go the other way and adapt the
PCB shape (plus a
On Thu, 2013-08-22 at 23:30 +0200, joerg Reisenweber wrote:
If this Shuttleguy really been interested in
building a Edge , he'd simply DO it instead of starting nonsensical
crowdfunding.
Don't you see this is a marketing gag, nothing else?
No, I don't. It was indeed a wonderful marketing
On Thu, 22 Aug 2013 21:46:28 +
Bob Ham r...@settrans.net wrote:
On Thu, 2013-08-22 at 23:30 +0200, joerg Reisenweber wrote:
If this Shuttleguy really been interested in
building a Edge , he'd simply DO it instead of starting nonsensical
crowdfunding.
Don't you see this is a
Am 30.07.2013 22:43, schrieb Carsten Gerlach:
Am 30.07.2013 20:59, schrieb Joshua Judson Rosen:
They've already raised just over $7-million in just over 7 days; if
they can keep up that momentum, maybe they /can/ actually meet the
goal.
Well, I wish them that they reach this goal, but it
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