Re: Development environment suggestion ?
Yes. I did some small update of that to run on the Eclipse Ganyemed which had different settings. What would be nice is a plugin which have all the stuff included, like the toolchain, maybe an emulator. What's so nice with eclipse is that it has nice features to update plugins automatic. /Perty Martin Šenkeřík skrev: Do you know about this page? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Development_with_Eclipse On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 9:06 PM, Per Jonsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm a Java Eclipse guy so I would love a plugin for Eclipse. Eclipse is made for pugins which makes it a great ide to extend. I think a good start could be to get the openmoko toolchain running in Eclipse with C/C++. Unfortunaly I havn't much time to poke around right now :-( /Perty ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Development environment suggestion ?
Hi, you've done a great job. if you can put inside also the emulator (qemu) for the gta01/02 will be great. Davide 2008/9/28 Joel Newkirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Sun, 28 Sep 2008 18:42:54 +0200, Michael Tansella [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello community lists ! This may be virtualbox images.. Nothing fancy, just ubuntu with toolchain, maybe even a ready eclipse version. Publish this by torrents, Maybe even with good to go software used during development. I spent lots of time before i got a working environment to develop/debug my openmoko in. +1 This would be very nice I have made such an image. (a few times, in fact - first one got bloated before I thought about cloning it, second one got corrupted, third time's the charm, right? ;) I'm working on it right now. I started with Ubuntu Jeos 8.04.1. (JEOS is Just Enough OS - stripped-down to the bare essentials to get a working X-less console install in a virtualized machine) On top of that I selected (with aptitude) to install 'xubuntu-desktop', which is a metapackage that pulls in everything from Xubuntu. (Xubuntu is Ubuntu but with XFCE4 instead of Gnome or KDE) Don't really want 'everything' though, so before committing the installation I then go through and manually unselect a couple hundred packages, like X drivers for every video chipset (VM xserver only is required), office apps, etc. Bring in everything needed to build and install e17 (using easy_e17.sh) and install the Openmoko toolchain and VMware Tools. Then flush out all the development packages and i686 build tools not needed for cross-development, and remove the e17 build dir (~1gb). Then go through again with synaptic and purge another hundred or so packages, though more can still go. GDM offers e17 session at login as well, if desired, but default is xfce4. Right now, the image boots up and logs in user 'omdev' automatically (stop this in Settings-Login Window) with an xfce desktop. /usr/local/openmoko links in desktop and /home/omdev, desktop shortcuts for xfce4-terminal and xterm, and edje_editor. (the main reason I build e17 in the VM - for those wanting to change wallpapers, init screen, desktop layout, anything else theme-ish current Openmoko OS releases) It has Firefox3 and Gimp but not much else preinstalled in the way of applications. CVS, git, SVN, wget all installed and ready to run. A few other added console-based utils (mc, ipcalc, others) - vim as well. (though at about 24mb and me not using it, it was tempting to purge it) Set up to share USB devices - tested with memory cards, but my Freerunner isn't in hand at the moment. From VMware Infrastructure Web Access (latest VMware server) you can select any connected USB devices and they appear to the VM. In this instance, I plugged in a USB thumbdrive, after the desktop recognized it I told VMware to connect it to the VM, and Thunar file manager popped up on the VM desktop displaying drive contents. Painless, but I don't know how easy it would be to redirect the Freerunner uboot to it for dfu-util, nor if it's stable/reliable enough to flash the FreeRunner through this arrangement. (I suspect it will be workable, though maybe awkward needing to keep uboot idling while redirecting USB) usb0 is set up to communicate with the default FreeRunner usbnet config. I've tested the toolchain to be sure everything works as it should. (I added . /usr/local/openmoko/arm/setup-env to .bashrc so the toolchain is always ready in new terminals) The image is preconfigured for one CPU, an 8gb partition (sorry, no more available on my workstation when created) and 1gb RAM, (change in VMware before booting if needed) with desktop set to 1280x1024. (change in SettingsManager-Display) It currently uses 2.3gb of that partition, while a 7zip archive of the entire VM weighs in at about 1.4gb. What else should be here? As it stands it serves my needs, but others' will of course differ. I thought about bitbake (which I don't use) but it seems to me that the added weight in the VM wouldn't be justified in the distributable form - thoughts? I intend to rebuild it with a significantly larger partition as soon as I can clear some space on this workstation's HD, but that'll probably be several days from now. j ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Development environment suggestion ?
On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 10:08 PM, Joel Newkirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It currently uses 2.3gb of that partition, while a 7zip archive of the entire VM weighs in at about 1.4gb. Did you try to zero-fill the image before compressing it? Not that your ratio is anything bad, but it might get better (a lot of the used space on a Linux partition is already filled of easily-shrinkable text files, for example). A simple dd if=/dev/zero of=/tmp/fillme ; rm /tmp/fillme usually does the trick, and I managed to compress some of my images (well, those were more LAMP appliances than dev workstation, I have to say) to higher ratios, IIRC. Good work anyway. -- Olivier M. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Development environment suggestion ?
2008/9/28 Joel Newkirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] [...] What else should be here? As it stands it serves my needs, but others' will of course differ. I thought about bitbake (which I don't use) but it seems to me that the added weight in the VM wouldn't be justified in the distributable form - thoughts? It may be interesting in having a preconfigured set of subdirectoryes to use OE with bitbake and mokomakefiles in them, for fso, shr, 2008.x. These my contains only a base setup to preserve space, but it would be interesting to have some development task already done, for the cross-compiler, glibc, and other development tools (gtk/qt and so on), as this is a really time wasting operation and a lot of peoples has problem in setup them. Of course this will increase a lot the size of the vm, so it may be included in a separated fat and dirty sdk :) or be downloadable with the base wm. +1 for the neo emulator Nicola ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Development environment suggestion ?
I'm a Java Eclipse guy so I would love a plugin for Eclipse. Eclipse is made for pugins which makes it a great ide to extend. I think a good start could be to get the openmoko toolchain running in Eclipse with C/C++. Unfortunaly I havn't much time to poke around right now :-( /Perty Andreas Wallin skrev: Hello community lists ! I just read the mail call for community action I would make som suggestions for making developing openmoko software more easy. Why not create some virtual machines with all compilingtools and needed software installed to get ready for bugfixing/developing openmoko softwares. This may be virtualbox images.. Nothing fancy, just ubuntu with toolchain, maybe even a ready eclipse version. Publish this by torrents, Maybe even with good to go software used during development. I spent lots of time before i got a working environment to develop/debug my openmoko in. greetings ! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Development environment suggestion ?
Do you know about this page? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Development_with_Eclipse On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 9:06 PM, Per Jonsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm a Java Eclipse guy so I would love a plugin for Eclipse. Eclipse is made for pugins which makes it a great ide to extend. I think a good start could be to get the openmoko toolchain running in Eclipse with C/C++. Unfortunaly I havn't much time to poke around right now :-( /Perty Andreas Wallin skrev: Hello community lists ! I just read the mail call for community action I would make som suggestions for making developing openmoko software more easy. Why not create some virtual machines with all compilingtools and needed software installed to get ready for bugfixing/developing openmoko softwares. This may be virtualbox images.. Nothing fancy, just ubuntu with toolchain, maybe even a ready eclipse version. Publish this by torrents, Maybe even with good to go software used during development. I spent lots of time before i got a working environment to develop/debug my openmoko in. greetings ! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Development environment suggestion ?
On Mon, 29 Sep 2008 18:19:04 +0200, Olivier Migeot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 10:08 PM, Joel Newkirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It currently uses 2.3gb of that partition, while a 7zip archive of the entire VM weighs in at about 1.4gb. Did you try to zero-fill the image before compressing it? Not that your ratio is anything bad, but it might get better (a lot of the used space on a Linux partition is already filled of easily-shrinkable text files, for example). A simple dd if=/dev/zero of=/tmp/fillme ; rm /tmp/fillme usually does the trick, and I managed to compress some of my images (well, those were more LAMP appliances than dev workstation, I have to say) to higher ratios, IIRC. Good work anyway. -- Olivier M. Is that procedure applicable when VMware is set up to autosize the partition? I've got it set to 8gb partition size as a max. (stupid really that it won't let you select a max size larger than is presently available, when it's told not to actually allocate the space until used) Also, since posting that message I realized I'd forgotten to flush out apt archive again, which cleared up a good-size chunk of space. (IIRC, about 400mb) j ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Excellent idea. Qtopia already has a VMWare image that you can use to develop Qtopia applications [1] but I haven't heard of anything else. I would love to see this. -Nick 1. http://www.qtopia.net/modules/mydownloads/viewcat.php?cid=4 Andreas Wallin wrote: Hello community lists ! I just read the mail call for community action I would make som suggestions for making developing openmoko software more easy. Why not create some virtual machines with all compilingtools and needed software installed to get ready for bugfixing/developing openmoko softwares. This may be virtualbox images.. Nothing fancy, just ubuntu with toolchain, maybe even a ready eclipse version. Publish this by torrents, Maybe even with good to go software used during development. I spent lots of time before i got a working environment to develop/debug my openmoko in. greetings ! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Development environment suggestion ?
I had the same idea but not yet asked here, because the ability to try it on older Linux versions would normally fail. My problem is exactly the problem that my box is too old and more work to upgrade to a newer version. What about qemu to be used ? How fast is virtualbox compared to qemu ? Lothar Am 27.09.2008 um 21:45 schrieb Andreas Wallin: Hello community lists ! I just read the mail call for community action I would make som suggestions for making developing openmoko software more easy. Why not create some virtual machines with all compilingtools and needed software installed to get ready for bugfixing/developing openmoko softwares. This may be virtualbox images.. Nothing fancy, just ubuntu with toolchain, maybe even a ready eclipse version. Publish this by torrents, Maybe even with good to go software used during development. I spent lots of time before i got a working environment to develop/ debug my openmoko in. greetings ! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- | Rapid Prototyping | XSLT Codegeneration | http://www.lollisoft.de Lothar Behrens Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 73252 Lenningen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Development environment suggestion ?
Hello community lists ! This may be virtualbox images.. Nothing fancy, just ubuntu with toolchain, maybe even a ready eclipse version. Publish this by torrents, Maybe even with good to go software used during development. I spent lots of time before i got a working environment to develop/debug my openmoko in. +1 This would be very nice ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Yep, I'm really tired of fiddling with loads of dev packages, including these strange ubuntu libmokoui-ones... -Marcel Am Sunday 28 September 2008 18:42:54 schrieb Michael Tansella: Hello community lists ! This may be virtualbox images.. Nothing fancy, just ubuntu with toolchain, maybe even a ready eclipse version. Publish this by torrents, Maybe even with good to go software used during development. I spent lots of time before i got a working environment to develop/debug my openmoko in. +1 This would be very nice ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Development environment suggestion ?
Hello community lists ! I just read the mail call for community action I would make som suggestions for making developing openmoko software more easy. Why not create some virtual machines with all compilingtools and needed software installed to get ready for bugfixing/developing openmoko softwares. This may be virtualbox images.. Nothing fancy, just ubuntu with toolchain, maybe even a ready eclipse version. Publish this by torrents, Maybe even with good to go software used during development. I spent lots of time before i got a working environment to develop/debug my openmoko in. greetings ! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
